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| nalioth | anyone know "pkg building for dummies" ? | 12:13 |
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| nalioth | i have followed the kubuntu.org pbuilder howto and the chroot howto on the ubuntu wiki and neither one are working for me | 12:13 |
| nalioth | google provides nothing enlightening | 12:14 |
| crimsun | strict package building only requires a pbuilder | 12:14 |
| nalioth | crimsun: i would like to know how to integrate gnupg into the initial environment, google is not helpful with that | 12:15 |
| nalioth | i have been trying to get this working for weeks, and it is really irritating. i've been asking different folks, asking google in different ways | 12:16 |
| crimsun | nalioth: do you mean for retrieving signed debs? | 12:17 |
| tseng | comeon | 12:17 |
| tseng | man debootstrap | 12:17 |
| tseng | --include=gnupg | 12:17 |
| crimsun | exactly | 12:17 |
| nalioth | thank you. on to the next steps. | 12:18 |
| crimsun | or if you use pbuilder create, pass --extrapackages=gnupg | 12:18 |
| tseng | great. | 12:18 |
| crimsun | (which really just passes it to debootstrap) | 12:18 |
| thierry | crimsun : how do I put --enable-shared=yes in rules? I mean, do I simply put this in the top of the file?? | 12:23 |
| nalioth | well, the debootstrap wiki commands error out | 12:23 |
| slomo | siretart: we may want to package http://mpeg4ip.sourceforge.net/ they improve libmp4v2 and some other stuff... but i don't know the legal status | 12:23 |
| thierry | crimsun : and where should be the .install file and what are relative path?? | 12:24 |
| crimsun | slomo: we may want to use mythtv's -fixes svn branch; it compiles with g++-4 | 12:24 |
| crimsun | thierry: ignore my [mis] statement regarding .install | 12:24 |
| slomo | crimsun: sounds good... do you want to do it? but i would ask mdz before... | 12:24 |
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| crimsun | slomo: he no longer maintains it for Debian, but sure | 12:25 |
| crimsun | thierry: DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS := --enable-shared=yes | 12:26 |
| thierry | crimsun : ok but for --enable-shared=yes... do I put simply put it in the top of the rules file? | 12:26 |
| thierry | crimsun : and that should solve my binary problem?? | 12:27 |
| crimsun | thierry: you need to build a shared lib at least, so that's a starting point | 12:27 |
| slomo | thierry: you should read the library packaging guide if you want to package a library | 12:28 |
| thierry | slomo : k, thanks | 12:28 |
| slomo | thierry: http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html | 12:28 |
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| sebest | slomo? | 12:43 |
| slomo | yes? | 12:44 |
| sebest | i have a really strange bug on dapper with the "applications" menu | 12:44 |
| sebest | did you hear anything about it? | 12:45 |
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| slomo | it disappears instantly after opening it? | 12:45 |
| sebest | so you heard about it :) | 12:45 |
| ajmitch | many times | 12:45 |
| slomo | seems to be a gamin bug | 12:45 |
| crimsun | that would be one strange bug. | 12:46 |
| sebest | yeah it's quite annoying the first time :s | 12:46 |
| slomo | seb or dholbach said that it's gamin ;) | 12:46 |
| ogra_ibook | its menu-xdg | 12:47 |
| sebest | ogra_ibook: is there a known fix? | 12:48 |
| sebest | i could strace it btw | 12:48 |
| ogra_ibook | remove the broken symlink in /etc/xdg/menus/ and you are fine | 12:48 |
| slomo | oh nice | 12:49 |
| sebest | thanx :) | 12:49 |
| sebest | fixed (rm debian-menu.menu) | 12:50 |
| ogra_ibook | its known upstream and the right fix should be gamin ignoring broken links, but broken links are bad as well :) | 12:50 |
| sebest | this broken link was DoSing my applications menu :) | 12:51 |
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| ogra_ibook | everybodys :) | 12:56 |
| slomo | not mine... i never had this bug :P | 12:57 |
| ogra_ibook | hmm, intreting ... | 12:57 |
| ogra_ibook | i have it on all arches here | 12:57 |
| slomo | i don't have it on my x86 and ppc :) | 12:57 |
| slomo | no idea why | 12:57 |
| ogra_ibook | cosmic rays ... | 12:58 |
| slomo | maybe | 12:58 |
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| crimsun | hmm. | 01:02 |
| crimsun | either our pbuilders are broken, or... | 01:02 |
| crimsun | err, buildds. | 01:02 |
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| Kyral | hm..could I call Apt from within postinst? | 01:41 |
| crimsun | ..do what? | 01:41 |
| Kyral | call apt-get from within a package postinst | 01:41 |
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| crimsun | that generally would be Very Bad. | 01:42 |
| Kyral | yah I'm trying to think how to get around it | 01:42 |
| crimsun | what specifically do you need to do? | 01:42 |
| Kyral | Lab Build | 01:42 |
| Kyral | I'm making a metapack | 01:42 |
| Kyral | problem is that some of the stuff is in Universe and whatnot | 01:42 |
| Kyral | so I need to replace the Sources.list before I can snag them | 01:42 |
| crimsun | no. | 01:42 |
| crimsun | Absolutely Not. | 01:43 |
| Kyral | yah thats what I thought | 01:43 |
| Kyral | dpkg would be locked | 01:43 |
| crimsun | That's not the issue. I mean yes, you can do whatever you really want to, but that's just the wrong way to go about it. | 01:43 |
| Kyral | oh? | 01:43 |
| segfault | i think i started packaging something with the left foot. | 01:44 |
| segfault | heh | 01:44 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:44 |
| crimsun | it's better to use a shell script that backs up sources.list then appends the universe lines to the original copy | 01:44 |
| Kyral | hmm, I could just use a shell script to wget the sources.list first, then wget the debpack... | 01:44 |
| Kyral | Oh I'm not just getting stuff from Universe | 01:45 |
| Kyral | there are some custom packs we need, so I'll be pulling from a repo I set up in the lab | 01:46 |
| crimsun | that's why you'd want to back up sources.list then append the deb lines using tee -a | 01:46 |
| Kyral | why would I backup the default list? | 01:47 |
| crimsun | because you're touching it. | 01:48 |
| crimsun | always make a backup. | 01:48 |
| Kyral | this will never leave the lab lol | 01:48 |
| crimsun | it doesn't matter | 01:48 |
| Kyral | In fact I put in the desc field that if you see this out of the COSI then something is wrong | 01:48 |
| crimsun | the first rule of system administration is always to make backups of files you touch | 01:48 |
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| Kyral | fine fine | 01:49 |
| segfault | i'll package a php system, so basically what i have to do is those post-install scripts, right? | 01:49 |
| crimsun | segfault: elaborate on "a php system" | 01:49 |
| segfault | hehe, it's a php-based webmail | 01:49 |
| crimsun | so it this system a metapackage or a completely new package? | 01:50 |
| segfault | new package | 01:50 |
| segfault | i mean, what it basically must do is the post-install stuff, like asking for the DB user/pass to create its tables, and other stuff | 01:51 |
| crimsun | sure, I suppose if you're automating it | 01:54 |
| segfault | ok | 01:58 |
| segfault | thanks. | 01:58 |
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| shackan | hi, anybody still awake ? | 02:07 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:07 |
| shackan | any germans in here? | 02:08 |
| shackan | hi Kyral | 02:08 |
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| ajmitch | 'MetaPack'? | 02:09 |
| Kyral | Metapackage I'm putting together for my school's linux lab | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | right... | 02:09 |
| Kyral | what? | 02:09 |
| ajmitch | perhaps you could look at the numerous examples out there? | 02:10 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:10 |
| Kyral | I know lol | 02:10 |
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| ajmitch | some people are really starting to irritate me on the -devel list | 02:14 |
| crimsun | I've taken to reading digests | 02:14 |
| Kyral | oh boy | 02:14 |
| Kyral | I haven't looked at it in a while | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | stay away from it | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | or at least from certain threads | 02:15 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:15 |
| Kyral | Oh I just skim it | 02:15 |
| Kyral | if the subject sounds interesting I open it | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | I bet this cvs->bzr conversion is going to take all night | 02:15 |
| Kyral | otherwise its "Mark all as read" | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | it's been going for a couple of hours already | 02:15 |
| Kyral | looks like for this thing I can just touch build stamp and be done with rules | 02:16 |
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| ajmitch | goody, new libc6 | 02:28 |
| Kyral | oh boy | 02:28 |
| Kyral | breakage! | 02:28 |
| crimsun | I don't think the i386 buildds are working anyhow. | 02:29 |
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| ajmitch | Kyral: breakage? | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | have you no faith in the glibc maintainers? | 02:34 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: This is devel ;P | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | so? | 02:35 |
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| Kyral | I always expect breakage | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | jbailey will be disappointed with you | 02:36 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | Remember the libstdc6 transition? | 02:36 |
| crimsun | do you mean libstdc++6? | 02:36 |
| Kyral | yah | 02:37 |
| crimsun | what about it? | 02:37 |
| Kyral | broke X so bad that I had to resymlink a bunch of files lol | 02:37 |
| Kyral | or maybe that was just me.. | 02:37 |
| crimsun | erm... | 02:38 |
| crimsun | I don't think that had anything to do with libstdc++6 | 02:38 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| crimsun | you probably mean the X.Org transition | 02:38 |
| Kyral | there was an X transition? | 02:38 |
| === Kyral looks stupid | ||
| crimsun | twice | 02:39 |
| Kyral | oh | 02:39 |
| crimsun | XFree86 -> monolithic X.Org -> modular X.Org | 02:39 |
| Kyral | and I heard the big one is coming up | 02:39 |
| crimsun | I think daniel's implication is that 7.0 is largely already in dapper | 02:40 |
| Kyral | ah | 02:40 |
| crimsun | well, jeff's changelog answered my question regarding --print-architecture, heh. | 02:41 |
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| ajmitch | excellent | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | just sped up my merge comparison script by about 10-20 times | 03:04 |
| Kyral | nice | 03:06 |
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| Kyral | I just updated my Wikipage | 03:06 |
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| psusi | I wrote my first spec wiki today... anyone care to critique it? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PacketCD | 03:07 |
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| ajmitch | Lathiat: ping | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/6260 | 05:30 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6260: "manager (Ubuntu) - network-manager breaks avahi" Fix req. for: network-manager (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/6260 | 05:30 |
| Lathiat | cheers | 05:36 |
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| nalioth | next dumb question. i've added deb file:/home/USER/kubuntu/ (where my packages and Packages.gz are) but my pbuilder can't find my packages there | 05:53 |
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| ajmitch | because pbuilder uses a chroot & you'd need to bind-mount | 06:05 |
| seth_k|lappy | right, because pbuilder is in a chroot | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | see --bindmounts option | 06:05 |
| ajmitch | or serve them via http | 06:06 |
| seth_k|lappy | nalioth, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LocalAptGetRepositoriesTrivial is how I do it | 06:06 |
| hub | ajmitch: the later is probably better | 06:06 |
| hub | ajmitch: http serving | 06:06 |
| nalioth | seth_k|lappy: will look. ty | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | hub: sure, it's what I'd do | 06:07 |
| hub | :-) | 06:07 |
| nalioth | that is what is wankerin me | 06:07 |
| nalioth | dang'd no local access POS | 06:07 |
| nalioth | guess i'm goin in the web business now, too | 06:08 |
| hub | web 2.0 :-) | 06:10 |
| hub | could be worse | 06:10 |
| ajmitch | never trust a .0 release | 06:10 |
| hub | ajmitch: that's why ubuntu does not have .0 releases | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | think of how far GNOME has come since 1.0 ;) | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | ah, planet \sh again | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | wonderful | 06:12 |
| hub | planet bug | 06:12 |
| hub | :-) | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | hub: you're not on planet ubuntu? | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | are you a member? | 06:12 |
| hub | ajmitch: I'm membet | 06:13 |
| hub | member | 06:13 |
| hub | shall I be? | 06:13 |
| hub | :-) | 06:13 |
| hub | why not | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | and you just need to bug jdub I guess | 06:13 |
| nalioth | member of what? | 06:13 |
| hub | ubuntu | 06:13 |
| hub | ajmitch: I didn't even bother. maybe I should | 06:13 |
| jsgotangco | it would be nice to have more people in planet | 06:13 |
| hub | I read it from work ^-^ | 06:14 |
| nalioth | so if i'm an ubuntu member i can post on the planet? | 06:14 |
| jsgotangco | nalioth, jdub will just have to add your feed yeah | 06:14 |
| hub | nalioth: have your feed | 06:14 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: if you're an ubuntu member, you can get your blog up on the planet | 06:14 |
| hub | nalioth: planet is just an agregator | 06:15 |
| nalioth | right now i'm spinnin with this pbuilder thing | 06:16 |
| nalioth | fixin' to unleash a buncha powerpc stuff (when i can get it figured out) | 06:16 |
| seth_k|lappy | whoa, you just have to be a member to be put on Planet? I thought it was devs | 06:17 |
| === seth_k|lappy ponders | ||
| jsgotangco | seth_k|lappy, well it would be nice to post relevant ubuntu stuff | 06:17 |
| seth_k|lappy | jsgotangco, I have an Ubuntu category | 06:17 |
| jsgotangco | right | 06:17 |
| seth_k|lappy | blast it, would someone mind looking at this really fast: http://seth.pastebin.com/488266 | 06:19 |
| seth_k|lappy | note the highlights | 06:19 |
| seth_k|lappy | I first thought it was a builddir != sourcedir thing | 06:19 |
| === nalioth has dust on his blog, cuz he's from a time when there were no home computers | ||
| seth_k|lappy | but patching for that didn't seem to work. Notice the first highlighted line shows a nice include path. The file that it "can't find" is in the same directory... why can't it see it? | 06:20 |
| nalioth | still not working | 06:24 |
| nalioth | i've managed to build arts with pbuilder and have gotten it into the local repos, have added the line to the pbuilder sources.list AND the ~/.pbuilderrc | 06:25 |
| nalioth | but my kdelibs build still can't find libarts* | 06:25 |
| seth_k|lappy | nalioth, did you sudo pbuilder update? | 06:25 |
| seth_k|lappy | (with --override-config option) | 06:25 |
| nalioth | bah | 06:26 |
| seth_k|lappy | hehe | 06:26 |
| nalioth | too much info | 06:26 |
| psusi | shouldn't diff foo/ foo.orig/ show the changes I've made? it's just showing me common subdirectories: and not the changes to the files I made | 06:26 |
| nalioth | got this: E: The method driver /usr/lib/apt/methods/localhost could not be found. | 06:27 |
| seth_k|lappy | nalioth, you sure you added the line correctly to sources.list? | 06:28 |
| nalioth | boy i feel like breakin a hammer over my head | 06:28 |
| minghua | psusi: you need diff -r | 06:29 |
| psusi | ahh, thanks | 06:29 |
| nalioth | seth_k|lappy: yes i just checked it. i can pastebin it if you have time to look | 06:29 |
| seth_k|lappy | nalioth, sure thing | 06:29 |
| TheMuso | nalioth: Have you generated a Packages file with dpkg-scanpackages? | 06:30 |
| nalioth | TheMuso: yes, that was the easy part | 06:30 |
| TheMuso | So apt recognises it as a valid source? | 06:31 |
| psusi | when I do debuild -S, I get a bunch of complains about reversing patch, unreversed patch detected! skipping patch, 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects | 06:32 |
| nalioth | havent changed my local sources.list | 06:32 |
| psusi | what gives? | 06:32 |
| TheMuso | nalioth: What about when you run pbuilder? | 06:33 |
| nalioth | n/m | 06:33 |
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| nalioth | you guys have my utmost respect for having to go through all this crap | 06:34 |
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| viviersf | yawn | 06:38 |
| viviersf | hello guys | 06:38 |
| nalioth | this is really farkin me off now | 06:38 |
| ajmitch | hey viviersf | 06:41 |
| === StevenK waves to various people. | ||
| nalioth | why is it erroring on localhost | 06:41 |
| ajmitch | evening StevenK :) | 06:42 |
| viviersf | how you been ajmitch , i was away having leave | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: /etc/hosts? | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | viviersf: I've been ok :) | 06:42 |
| ajmitch | enjoy your time off? | 06:42 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: this is in pbuilders settings | 06:42 |
| === StevenK wonders if there is now a point to requesting syncs. | ||
| viviersf | yeah ajmitch | 06:43 |
| nalioth | i've used localhost and 127.0.0.1 in the url, but it still reports localhost is not a valid method | 06:43 |
| nalioth | seth_k|lappy: you get that URL i sent? | 06:43 |
| seth_k|lappy | nalioth, yeah | 06:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | nothing wrong with it | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: method? | 06:44 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: sure, why wouldn't there be? | 06:44 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Well, last time I asked someone, they said elmo was on VAC. | 06:45 |
| nalioth | there are FAR too many places to change with pbuilder | 06:46 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Can you request pngwriter, positron, albatross and vblade be synced? | 06:46 |
| ajmitch | he might be on vacation but he's still been syncing within 24 hours or so | 06:47 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: request made | 06:49 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Thanks. | 06:50 |
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| ajmitch | welcome back, lamont | 06:50 |
| lamont | \sh_away: pondering ccmalloc... it unconditionally runs g++-3.3, but only build-deps it on some platforms... iz bug, I think. | 06:50 |
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| rendi | hi | 06:54 |
| rendi | can some one help me about package name eaccelerator | 06:55 |
| rendi | where to get it | 06:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | StevenK, he just accepted a NEW package for me this morning, so methinks no vacation for him | 06:55 |
| rendi | from this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38738&highlight=eAccelerator | 06:55 |
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| ajmitch | rendi: looks like it's not in universe | 06:58 |
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| rendi | ok how to add http://packages.dotdeb.org/ to /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 07:00 |
| rendi | just put it on end of file ? | 07:00 |
| nalioth | again, i thank you guys | 07:01 |
| nalioth | this packaging stuff is turn me into a real sys-admin ;) | 07:02 |
| Kyral | night MOTU | 07:05 |
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| Gloubiboulga | morning | 07:23 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello dholbach | 07:25 |
| dholbach | hey :) | 07:26 |
| TheMuso | Hey dholbach. | 07:27 |
| dholbach | hey TheMuso | 07:28 |
| jsgotangco | hi dholbach | 07:30 |
| dholbach | hey jerome | 07:30 |
| TheMuso | Hi jsgotangco | 07:31 |
| jsgotangco | TheMuso, hey when's the next a11y meeting? | 07:31 |
| TheMuso | Just posted a message about that to ubuntu-accessibility@ | 07:31 |
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| nalioth | another stupid question: how do you make a text file with all the text on one long line? | 08:45 |
| nalioth | is it a emacs or vi thing? | 08:45 |
| dholbach | nalioth: you can do that in any editor | 09:02 |
| dholbach | who's going to help with MOTU Report? | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | sure | 09:03 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft - if you have anything you found exciting in the last month | 09:03 |
| nalioth | dholbach: ty | 09:03 |
| ajmitch | if I can think of something to write up ;) | 09:03 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: i'll think about it, when i go out with my dog | 09:04 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: but we have a lot of NEW people we could have their say | 09:04 |
| ajmitch | I'll have to read the last report to see what was covered already | 09:04 |
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| ajmitch | since most of what's been done has been merging, holidays & drinking | 09:05 |
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| ajmitch | no more MOTU school sessions were run | 09:05 |
| dholbach | can we announce a new meeting? | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | hm | 09:05 |
| ajmitch | actually the last report didn't cover the 1 MOTU school session that was done | 09:06 |
| dholbach | oh cool | 09:06 |
| ajmitch | we can announce a new meeting if you want | 09:06 |
| ajmitch | ask for times on the list | 09:06 |
| dholbach | and nothing happened about the motu open day :/ | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | :( | 09:07 |
| ajmitch | well that's something for us to do in the next week or two | 09:07 |
| dholbach | no intriguiging new ideas on it | 09:07 |
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| GregorR-L | Does Ubuntu Universe contain every package from Debian sid? | 09:30 |
| GregorR-L | With emphasis on /every/ | 09:31 |
| GregorR-L | :P | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | main+universe(+restricted, etc) should have most | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | apart from ones which we've removed | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | since everything is synced across | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2005: hello | 09:32 |
| GregorR-L | Hm - so would the most effective way to get a package into Ubuntu be to get it into Debian sid (since I'm barking up that tree anyway)? | 09:33 |
| KillerKiwi2005 | ajmitch: hi :) | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | GregorR-L: that's one way, and if it gets into sid before upstream version freeze in dapper, it'll get aynced automatically | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2005: another kiwi then? :) | 09:33 |
| KillerKiwi2005 | ajmitch: yes, aukland you? | 09:34 |
| GregorR-L | So the question is, what's the average turnaround time of debian-mentors :P | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | dunedin | 09:34 |
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| ajmitch | GregorR-L: no idea, that'll vary quite a bit | 09:34 |
| GregorR-L | Yeah, that was sort of sarcastic :) | 09:34 |
| ajmitch | depending on how easy it is for you to get a sponsor & for them to upload it | 09:34 |
| KillerKiwi2005 | ajmitch: he needs a sponsor | 09:35 |
| ajmitch | KillerKiwi2005: I gathered that much | 09:35 |
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| KillerKiwi2005 | ajmitch: ;) | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | GregorR-L: you have requested someone to sponsor it on debian-mentors? | 09:37 |
| nalioth | i'll be back when i run out of hammers | 09:37 |
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| GregorR-L | ajmitch: Yeah, and I've squeeky-wheeled on #debian-mentors - I think I need to be more patient :) | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | if you wanted it uploaded to ubuntu directly you could upload it to REVU for us to review it | 09:38 |
| GregorR-L | Would there be a conflict if I uploaded it to both and it got accepted into Debian? | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | no, because to upload to ubuntu you'd have to change the versioning for ubuntu (to avoid those conflicts) | 09:39 |
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| ajmitch | it's still a good idea to try & get it in debian | 09:39 |
| Mez | because then it can be synced over :D | 09:39 |
| GregorR-L | I am of course - I think I'll go that route until I'm sure I have no chance :P | 09:39 |
| Mez | GregorR-L, you finally got your pbuilder working I assume ? | 09:40 |
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| GregorR-L | Mez: I made a debootstrap - I prefer a nice complete system anyway :P | 09:40 |
| Mez | :0 | 09:40 |
| StevenK | pbuilder can be made fairly complete with a little work. | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | GregorR-L: btw, 1.0.0-1 is less than 1.0.0rc5-1 :) | 09:41 |
| GregorR-L | ajmitch: I realize it says that ... but it isn't >_< | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | I know that's not what you intend | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | but you would have had fun if you'd got 1.0.0rc5 into debian, and then tried to get 1.0.0 uploaded | 09:42 |
| GregorR-L | Whatever system is used to compute version numbers clearly does not understand release candidates -_- | 09:43 |
| StevenK | GregorR-L: dpkg --compare-versions | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | no, it's a perfectly reasonable system that dpkg uses | 09:44 |
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| StevenK | steven@broken:~% dpkg --compare-versions 1.0.0rc5-1 lt 1.0.0-1 | 09:44 |
| StevenK | zsh: exit 1 | 09:44 |
| GregorR-L | It's a tough problem to solve, there's no consistency in version numbering. | 09:45 |
| Mez | 1.0.0-1~rc5 ? | 09:46 |
| Mez | :P | 09:46 |
| ajmitch | Mez: not guaranteed safe for dak still, iirc | 09:47 |
| Mez | dak ? | 09:47 |
| StevenK | The Debian archive scripts. | 09:47 |
| Mez | ah | 09:47 |
| Mez | lol :D fair enough | 09:47 |
| Mez | yeah | 09:47 |
| Mez | I remember the PITA we had with getting the Ubuntu scripts to work with the ~'s | 09:47 |
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| ajmitch | GregorR-L: fails to build | 09:49 |
| GregorR-L | Humm. | 09:49 |
| GregorR-L | >_> | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | don't worry | 09:49 |
| GregorR-L | That's nae good. | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | that's just the start of the problems ;) | 09:50 |
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| GregorR-L | lol | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | checking for suitable m4... configure: error: No usable m4 in $PATH or /usr/5bin (see config.log for reasons). | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | looks a bit odd | 09:52 |
| dholbach | what does config.log say? | 09:52 |
| GregorR-L | Well that's odd .... why does it even want to autoreconf? | 09:52 |
| GregorR-L | Oh, or why does it use m4 8-D | 09:52 |
| ajmitch | this is checking in configure | 09:52 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: I'd tell you if pbuilder hadn't cleaned it.. ;) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | but m4 is required by configure | 09:53 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: build it locally ;)( | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | and it's not in the build-depends | 09:53 |
| GregorR-L | OK, I guess I have to add that to my build-depends. | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | configure.ac has checks for a few libraries that aren't in build-depends | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | though I see you're not enabling the gaim plugin | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | debian/rules looks like a dh_make template, complete with useless commented out bits | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | you have a .desktop file, and don't use dh_desktop | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | dh_install is commented out? | 09:56 |
| GregorR-L | A standard build of DirectNet will only use FLTK - it has other UIs, but will only use one, so only one is in the build-depends. Other than that, it just needs libc. | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | debian/copyright is bare, it doesn't have the standard 3 paragraphs that are in src/client.c, for example | 09:56 |
| GregorR-L | Ummm .... | 09:58 |
| GregorR-L | debian/copyright has content for me ... | 09:58 |
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| ajmitch | sorry, 'rather bare' | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | hi everyone | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | happy new year | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | hello Tonio_ | 09:59 |
| GregorR-L | The "License" text was from one of the guides ... the new maintainer guide I think. It said to use that for GPL. | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | it's best to use what is in the source - which is the 3 standard paragraphs that the GPL states | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | this package would get checked again for licensing by the debian ftp master | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | best to get it fixed here before it's rejected later on :) | 10:01 |
| GregorR-L | Hmm, should update that guide then ... | 10:01 |
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| ajmitch | GregorR-L: less /usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/licenses/gpl | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | it should also include a copyright year | 10:04 |
| GregorR-L | Hmm, I'm pretty sure that the function of dh_install ended up in "install:" ... not sure why XD | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | dh_install isn't essential for single binary packages | 10:10 |
| GregorR-L | I just need to take out all those commented ones anyway :P | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | yes please | 10:10 |
| GregorR-L | I got it working from dh_make but didn't remove the kruft. | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | the cruft is listed as a possible reason for ftp-master rejection on http://ftp-master.debian.org/REJECT-FAQ.html | 10:11 |
| GregorR-L | Hah | 10:12 |
| GregorR-L | Hmm, /me googles for dh_desktop | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | eg the copyright that I was talking about is http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/12/msg00188.html | 10:12 |
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| GregorR-L | Well, I made a menu entry ... I ought to avoid even installing the .desktop file ... | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | please don't | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | ubuntu for example (and possible gnome in experimental) doesn't use .menu files | 10:14 |
| GregorR-L | Okidoke. So I just need to add dh_desktop in "binary-arch:" ? | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | in the appropriate place :) | 10:15 |
| GregorR-L | Of course. | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | and check if you really need some of the ones that are commented out, or are uncommented | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | eg you have debian/info but dh_installinfo is commented | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | dh_link but nothing specifying what to symlink | 10:17 |
| GregorR-L | Hmm, those don't install - I shouldn't even have debian/info. | 10:17 |
| GregorR-L | What is dh_link supposed to do? AFAIK I don't need any symlinks, so I guess that goes. | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | read its man page | 10:17 |
| GregorR-L | WOAH, every dh_* has a man page O_O | 10:18 |
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| ajmitch | since you should really be able to say what each of the dh_* commands you are using do | 10:18 |
| GregorR-L | Yeah :P | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | well, actually you should know what every line in debian/rules is doing :) | 10:19 |
| GregorR-L | Out of curiousity, what's the process of finding somebody to package a file in Debian for you? XD | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 10:19 |
| GregorR-L | That is, to actually make the package from upstream source :P | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | asking someone to package something is filing an RFP bug on a wnpp psuedo-package | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | s/a wnpp/the wnpp/ | 10:20 |
| GregorR-L | Maybe I need to do that >_> <_< | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | why is that? | 10:22 |
| GregorR-L | Because I'm that pathetic :) | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | heh no | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | you've got this far | 10:22 |
| GregorR-L | OK, lesse :) | 10:23 |
| GregorR-L | rules is less cruftular now, and license and info are right. | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | build-depends on m4? | 10:25 |
| GregorR-L | Yup | 10:25 |
| GregorR-L | Hmm, neither of the docs in docs are useful ... maybe i should remove them. | 10:25 |
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| ajmitch | it's fairly common to include README & NEWS | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | often AUTHORS as well | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | I wouldn't call NEWS particularly edifying though | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | another common suggestion is to include the homepage in the description | 10:26 |
| GregorR-L | The README is on the dumb UI, which isn't what I set it to build. | 10:26 |
| ajmitch | so in debian/control, you'd have the long description, a . on a line by itself, then 'Homepage: http://directnet.sourceforge.net' | 10:27 |
| GregorR-L | Hey, wait ... autotools-dev is set as a dep, but that certainly depends on m4 ... | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | no, autotools-dev doesn't depend on anything :) | 10:27 |
| GregorR-L | Well. OK >_> | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | look at its description | 10:28 |
| GregorR-L | Oh, I see. | 10:29 |
| GregorR-L | Indeed I need m4. | 10:29 |
| GregorR-L | OK, lesse if this baby builds. | 10:30 |
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| GregorR-L | ajmitch: It doesn't like the dot on the line by itself - are you sure it's needed? I thought the one-space indent was how it kept track. | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | sorry, true | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | not nearly enough sleep again :) | 10:34 |
| GregorR-L | Heheh | 10:34 |
| GregorR-L | Hey, it's building 8-D | 10:34 |
| GregorR-L | Thanks for the help :) | 10:34 |
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| GregorR-L | Uploaded 1.0.0-2 :) | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | hm | 10:51 |
| GregorR-L | >_> | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | looks better | 10:54 |
| GregorR-L | Well, that's ... better :P | 10:54 |
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| ajmitch | btw you don't need to manually copy in the manpage, dh_installman will do that | 11:00 |
| GregorR-L | Huh - that makes sense. | 11:01 |
| GregorR-L | When I removed the manual installation, it didn't install it at all. | 11:08 |
| GregorR-L | Even though dh_installman is there. | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | man dh_installman | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | you need debian/manpages | 11:11 |
| GregorR-L | I'm not very good at using man :) | 11:11 |
| ajmitch | or you do dh_installman debian/directnet.1 | 11:11 |
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| jsgotangco | python-crack? | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | yep | 11:13 |
| jsgotangco | nice name | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | sums up ubuntu in 1 package | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | python-f2py is next on my upload list | 11:13 |
| GregorR-L | ajmitch: Any other notes before i throw 1.0.0-3 onto mentors.debian.net? | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | nope | 11:19 |
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| GregorR-L | Hoopla. | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | so I guesd it's probably about ready for uploading | 11:22 |
| GregorR-L | I'm doing a quick check to make sure everything is functional :) | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | that's always a good help | 11:23 |
| GregorR-L | Seems to be working, so it's uploaded. | 11:26 |
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| ajmitch | great | 11:30 |
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| GregorR-L | Thanks for all the help 8-D | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | now would you like me to make a final check & upload it to debian? | 11:33 |
| GregorR-L | That would be incredibly awesome :) | 11:34 |
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| GregorR-L | Must ... not ... sleep ... | 11:54 |
| GregorR-L | Sleep ... is ... bad ... | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | why? | 11:55 |
| GregorR-L | Well, it isn't :-P | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | oh, I'd avoid using a hotmail address for your maintainer address :) | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | hotmail is just plain nasty | 11:55 |
| GregorR-L | It is - but the address is posted publically, and I really don't want to paste my real address publically ... | 11:56 |
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| Yagisan | G'day all | 12:55 |
| Yagisan | do we have jigdo images of breezy ? | 12:55 |
| ajmitch | hi Yagisan | 12:56 |
| ajmitch | no idea, sorry | 12:56 |
| === ajmitch needs to do more uploads | ||
| ajmitch | I've just about squashed my non-zope merges | 12:57 |
| Yagisan | G'day ajmitch. I was hoping we do, I need a breezy cd quick, but I'm out of bandwidth, I do however have a massive breezy cache - so I thought I could regenerate an iso from that. | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | google? | 12:58 |
| ajmitch | yeah, google shows me results straight away | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | any mirror carries the jigdo templates | 12:59 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: even www is going very slowly today :( | 12:59 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: got some good news today - I may be getting some joint ventures in Japan soon :-D | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | excellent! :) | 01:01 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: My wife is beside herself - she's been wanting to go back for ages | 01:02 |
| ajmitch | she's originally from there? | 01:03 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: Yes, she's Japanese, from Tokyo | 01:03 |
| ajmitch | I knew she was Japanese, I didn't realise she'd emigrated from Japan | 01:04 |
| ajmitch | ok, syncs requested, probably about time for me to sleep | 01:04 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: It was very hard to keep her here. Immigration paperwork was a pain in the arse, expensive too! | 01:05 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | I can imagine, Australia isn't known for open immigration policies | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | see you tomorrow, I'm off for the night :) | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: Oh, wait to you see Japan's immigration policys ! The general rule is , you don't get to immigrate | 01:07 |
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| StevenK | slomo: You pinged me? | 01:31 |
| slomo | yes... yesterday :) because of sponsoring one package for debian... but i guess it's now again late in the night for you? | 01:31 |
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| StevenK | Correct. It's 11:30pm | 01:32 |
| StevenK | I was in fact about to /away myself before you changed your nick. | 01:33 |
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| Yagisan | StevenK: It's not that late here ;) | 01:33 |
| StevenK | Is too. | 01:34 |
| slomo | StevenK: np :) i'll ask you again tomorrow... gn8 then :) | 01:34 |
| StevenK | Night. :-) | 01:36 |
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| markuman | @ | 02:14 |
| markuman | sry | 02:14 |
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| lucas | 'lut raphink | 02:34 |
| raphink | salut lucas | 02:38 |
| raphink | 'lut lulu | 02:39 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:39 |
| raphink | a roulotte lucas ? | 02:39 |
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| [A] ndy80 | hi | 02:47 |
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| raptoid | hi, [A] ndy80 | 02:47 |
| [A] ndy80 | I built the .deb package for ubuntu of aMule 2.1.0.... who can i send it to? | 02:47 |
| lucas | you mean you packaged it ? | 02:48 |
| lucas | which version of amule is currently in ubuntu ? | 02:48 |
| lucas | and debian ? | 02:49 |
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| [A] ndy80 | lucas: on ubuntu the current available is 2.0.3 | 02:49 |
| [A] ndy80 | I built the 2.1.0 | 02:49 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: you mean on ubuntu breezy or dapper? | 02:53 |
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| [A] ndy80 | raphink: I'm using ubuntu breezy, and I built it on breezy | 02:53 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: breezy is the stable version, so it's frozen | 02:54 |
| raphink | if you want to build a package, make if for dapper | 02:54 |
| raphink | since you won't put any package in breezy | 02:54 |
| raphink | the packages we update and make now are to be in dapper | 02:55 |
| lucas | dapper has 2.0.3-3ubuntu2 | 02:55 |
| [A] ndy80 | raphink: I think it will work for dapper too, you can test it if you want. I can tell you that it works on breezy. I don't expect you include my package on breezy, but I hope someone will find usefull to have it on breezy to. | 02:55 |
| lucas | debian sid has 2.0.3-4+b1 | 02:56 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: understand that on Debian systems, it's not about providing a package and leaving, it's about maintaining it | 02:56 |
| [A] ndy80 | raphink: you can include this package in dapper, but please TEST IT... I'm using it right now, but it's my FIRST .deb package :) | 02:56 |
| lucas | [A] ndy80: the fatest way to get your package into dapper is currently to file a bug against amule on debian | 02:56 |
| raphink | so you dont' give your work and not deal with what happens afterwards | 02:56 |
| lucas | saying that you patched the package to build amule 2.1.0. and provide a patch | 02:57 |
| raphink | so you test it, you make it available, you fix it, and so on ;) | 02:57 |
| raphink | you are resopnsible for your work :) | 02:57 |
| lucas | then amule 2.1.0 will automagically get into ubuntu | 02:57 |
| [A] ndy80 | lucas: amule has already a lot of bug fixes the should justify its inclusion in breezy too... but it's not my goal. | 02:58 |
| lucas | [A] ndy80: your goal here should be to get amule 2.1.0 in dapper | 02:58 |
| [A] ndy80 | I will be very glad if you want to accept my little contribute, but I don't know if I'll have time to mantain it... do you understand? | 02:58 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: maintaining is not the biggest part of it | 02:59 |
| lucas | then just file a debian bug about it | 02:59 |
| raphink | but it's the essential one | 02:59 |
| raphink | it doesnt' take much time | 02:59 |
| raphink | but if it's not done, everything fails | 02:59 |
| [A] ndy80 | raphink: I'm going to think about it.... but anyway.... amule package already has a mantainer... first I'll write a mail to him so we can work together.... don't you think? | 03:00 |
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| raphink | sure taht can be an option | 03:01 |
| raphink | there's a big chance that this maintainer has other packages to maintain | 03:01 |
| raphink | you could try to do a NMU in Debian | 03:01 |
| [A] ndy80 | NMU? | 03:01 |
| raphink | and get it sponsored | 03:02 |
| raphink | non maintainer upload | 03:02 |
| lucas | raphink: what you are saying is wrong. | 03:02 |
| raphink | (or update ? :s) | 03:03 |
| lucas | the correct way to handle this is to : | 03:03 |
| lucas | 1) upload to REVU | 03:03 |
| raphink | lucas: ok | 03:03 |
| lucas | 2) file a debian bug with severity wishlist saying that version 2.1.0 is available and that you updated the package. Attach the patch to that bug report. | 03:03 |
| raphink | lucas: to wnpp ? | 03:04 |
| raphink | or to amule? | 03:04 |
| [A] ndy80 | you are getting me very confused O_o | 03:05 |
| slomo | raphink: to amule... wnpp is afaik only for ITP and similar stuff that has no known (to debbugs) package name yet | 03:05 |
| [A] ndy80 | REVU? WNPP? | 03:05 |
| raphink | slomo: ok thanks | 03:05 |
| raphink | trying to understand the Debian packaging way at the same time | 03:05 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: http://revu.tauware.de | 03:05 |
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| lucas | raphink: there's already an amule package in Debian | 03:06 |
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| raphink | k | 03:06 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 03:08 |
| [A] ndy80 | ok... | 03:08 |
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| zakame | evening all :) | 03:09 |
| [A] ndy80 | let me read it :) | 03:11 |
| raphink | hi zakame | 03:12 |
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| zakame | heya raphink :) | 03:13 |
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| lucas | dholbach, ogra: ping ? | 03:21 |
| lucas | I was wondering whether a MOTU meeting was planned in the near future | 03:23 |
| lucas | I'd like to raise the subject of the MOTU-related pages on the wiki | 03:24 |
| lucas | I find it extremely difficult to find something in them | 03:24 |
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| lucas | or should I raise the topic on the mailing list ? | 03:26 |
| zakame | lucas: hm, I was beginning to wonder too :) | 03:26 |
| zakame | lucas: I think there would be a meeting the soonest, possibly after the merges are done and UVF passes | 03:27 |
| zakame | but raising that on the ML isn't a bad idea either ;) | 03:29 |
| lamont | asmail_1.8-1 has missing xorg build-deps. | 03:32 |
| zakame | gaah | 03:33 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: I guess you read the NDMG too, before packaging | 03:40 |
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| [A] ndy80 | raphink: No, I didn't....what is NDMG? | 03:42 |
| zakame | er that's DNMG, Debian New-Maintainers Guide (the maint-guide package) | 03:43 |
| [A] ndy80 | ok, no I didn't. | 03:45 |
| [A] ndy80 | so the package is released AS IS | 03:45 |
| raphink | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html | 03:45 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: _how_ did you package ? | 03:45 |
| raphink | how did you know the way to make a package? | 03:46 |
| raphink | ad what tools did you use ? | 03:46 |
| [A] ndy80 | raphink: I simply used "checkinstall" with these options: checkinstall --pkgname=amule --pkgversion=2.1.0 --pkgrelease=2 --pkglicense=Restricted --pkggroup="P2P Clients" --pkgsource=http://internap.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/amule/aMule-2.1.0.tar.bz2 | 03:46 |
| [A] ndy80 | that's all | 03:46 |
| zakame | ah, checkinstall | 03:47 |
| raphink | ok well that's not a package that could be included in any distro then | 03:47 |
| raphink | building a package is a work that takes a few hours | 03:47 |
| raphink | sometimes more | 03:47 |
| raphink | we care about details | 03:47 |
| raphink | this is what makes Debian a stable and powerful arch | 03:47 |
| raphink | there are tools to make packages | 03:48 |
| zakame | raphink: w00t | 03:48 |
| raphink | checkinstall is a tool to use packages when compiling a program | 03:48 |
| raphink | if you have no time to make a real package | 03:48 |
| raphink | but checkinstall will not provide a package to be included in any distribution | 03:48 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: if you want to provide a nice package, read the NDMG | 03:49 |
| raphink | that will teach you the basis of packaging | 03:49 |
| [A] ndy80 | raphink: ok... so don't use my package. At this moment I've no time to read the NDMG and to make a real package. | 03:50 |
| zakame | and go to the #ubuntu-motu-school too when it's time ;) | 03:50 |
| raphink | ok | 03:50 |
| raphink | [A] ndy80: you're welcome to contribute with packaging whenever you're ready to | 03:50 |
| [A] ndy80 | ok, thanks | 03:50 |
| raphink | but packaging is not about running checkinstall on a source dir | 03:50 |
| raphink | would be nice though ;) | 03:50 |
| raphink | if it was that easy | 03:50 |
| raphink | :) | 03:52 |
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| tseng | Lathiat: SwitchTower is the new hotness | 04:40 |
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| thierry | I had some problems with uninstalling binary in my package... could someone check it now http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1371 ? | 05:24 |
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| chninkel | hi | 05:27 |
| Kyral | hello | 05:28 |
| chninkel | I am interested in helping motu | 05:29 |
| chninkel | where exactly can I begin ? | 05:29 |
| Kyral | Killing Bugs? | 05:30 |
| thierry | chninkel : understanding how packages are made and how to create some is a great start | 05:30 |
| chninkel | well I already did some debian packaging | 05:30 |
| thierry | Killing bugs will also help you for this | 05:30 |
| dholbach | chninkel: cool | 05:30 |
| chninkel | but i am not a dd | 05:30 |
| dholbach | chninkel: you could package something new and upload it to REVU (REVU and UniverseCandidates are the wiki pages, which might be interesting) | 05:31 |
| dholbach | or you could help in the ongoing merging efforts (merging debian changes into ubuntu) | 05:31 |
| dholbach | or squash bugs which are assigned to the 'motu' team | 05:31 |
| dholbach | there is usually a lot to do | 05:31 |
| dholbach | and it's fun in the team | 05:31 |
| Kyral | yah | 05:32 |
| Kyral | I mean they put up with me without killing me :D | 05:32 |
| chninkel | Do we kill breezy bugs also or only dapper ones ? | 05:32 |
| dholbach | chninkel: we absolutely focus on dapper | 05:32 |
| chninkel | Kyral: :) | 05:32 |
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| dholbach | only super-duper important stuff for breezy | 05:32 |
| Kyral | like critical bugs | 05:32 |
| Kyral | like segfaults | 05:32 |
| chninkel | I see very few bugs here: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+bugs | 05:32 |
| thierry | dholbach : how can I get all bug assigned to MOTU team?? | 05:33 |
| Kyral | LJ! | 05:33 |
| chninkel | is it the page where to look for bugs ? | 05:33 |
| tseng | no | 05:33 |
| LaserJock | Hi all | 05:33 |
| dholbach | http://launchpad.net/people/motu/+assignedbugs | 05:33 |
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| chninkel | oh ok | 05:33 |
| chninkel | and how exactly can I help with the merge effort ? | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | heah is lucas around? | 05:34 |
| Kyral | LJ I updated MOTUScience page | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | saw that | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | very cool | 05:35 |
| lucas | yes | 05:35 |
| Kyral | MOTUScience is valid now lol | 05:35 |
| chninkel | dholbach: with launchpad, why is there some bugs with (Ubuntu) and some with (Ubuntu Dapper) | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I tried to work on the MOTU Wiki pages, see MOTU/DocTodo | 05:35 |
| dholbach | chninkel: that's just users choosing something random | 05:35 |
| Kyral | Actually...should I join the MOTU LP Team? | 05:35 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I agree that it needs a lot of work | 05:35 |
| dholbach | chninkel: but it's designed to indicate that bugs are in different releases and distributions | 05:36 |
| lucas | LaserJock: okay | 05:37 |
| chninkel | dholbach: ok, but it a bit confusing the first time | 05:37 |
| chninkel | dholbach: anyway, I will try to kill some bugs to begin with | 05:37 |
| dholbach | chninkel: if you want somebody to introduce you to merging or how our processes for new packages work, just say so | 05:38 |
| dholbach | chninkel: it's nice you showed up here :) | 05:38 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I'll try to give it a try this evening | 05:38 |
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| chninkel | dholbach: well yes, I am interested in merging also | 05:38 |
| chninkel | dholbach: but is better to begin ? | 05:39 |
| chninkel | dholbach: +what | 05:39 |
| dholbach | who can give chninkel an introduction and a simple merge to do? | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | tseng: ping? | 05:39 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I wrote something at w.u.c/Merging but I don't know if it is any help | 05:40 |
| Kyral | I should merge lol | 05:40 |
| dholbach | chninkel: you could have a look at the Merging page on the wiki | 05:41 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yes you should ;-) | 05:41 |
| chninkel | dholbach: this one https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge ? | 05:41 |
| thierry | dholbach : about killing bug, we have a patch there wich has been created with your help, could you take a look at it? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xfonts-artwiz/+bug/3255 | 05:41 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 3255: "artwiz (Ubuntu) - fonts install in non-standard directory" Fix req. for: xfonts-artwiz (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/3255 | 05:41 |
| dholbach | thierry: CC the 'motureviewers' team on the bug | 05:42 |
| thierry | k | 05:42 |
| dholbach | merci | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | chninkel: try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Merging | 05:42 |
| LaserJock | chninkel: also | 05:42 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: I'm....internet impaired right now lol | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: me too :( | 05:43 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: all uploads from my Production Box are kinda shot | 05:43 |
| Kyral | I'll regain full on the 10th | 05:43 |
| chninkel | LaserJock: thanks, I will read this page | 05:43 |
| dholbach | chninkel: to be honest, i don't know if MOTUToMerge or Merging is more recent | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | Merging is more recent I believe but it isn't neccesarily better ;-) | 05:44 |
| chninkel | dholbach: Merging seems more useful to understand how to effectiverly do merging | 05:44 |
| dholbach | chninkel: i wasn't much involved in the MOTU Merging, to be honest :( | 05:45 |
| chninkel | and how do I know the list of packages to merge ? | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | chninkel: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge has lists | 05:46 |
| jsgotangco | slacker! | 05:46 |
| dholbach | jsgotangco: says who? :) | 05:46 |
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| dholbach | :) | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | chninkel: look for the link to revu.tauware.de | 05:46 |
| thierry | dholbach : https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+source/apt-watch/+bug/728 the last comment says to close the bug, should I? | 05:47 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 728: "watch (Ubuntu) - Asks for root password" Fix req. for: apt-watch (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU, Status: New http://launchpad.net/bugs/728 | 05:47 |
| chninkel | LaserJock: ok thanks, I read all theses pages and I am back | 05:47 |
| dholbach | thierry: yes | 05:48 |
| thierry | k | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: do you have a minute or 2 to review my package (plotdrop)? | 05:52 |
| Ubugtu | An error has occurred. | 05:52 |
| thierry | where is the build log when I build a package with pbuilder? | 05:53 |
| Kyral | thierry: it doesn't make one by default | 05:54 |
| dholbach | you have to pipe the output into a file | 05:54 |
| thierry | Kyral : how do I get one? | 05:54 |
| Kyral | you have to pass the --logfile <location> option | 05:54 |
| Kyral | I think | 05:54 |
| thierry | k | 05:54 |
| Kyral | man pbuilder to make sure | 05:54 |
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| lucas | 2 | 06:07 |
| lucas | ah | 06:07 |
| lucas | Ubugtu doesn't pick up :) | 06:07 |
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| Treenaks | #3 | 06:09 |
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| jeld | hello all | 06:21 |
| LaserJock | lucas: how is what you are proposing different from what is already present? | 06:23 |
| lucas | mine looks more structured to me | 06:23 |
| lucas | the current structure looks a bit flat | 06:23 |
| lucas | with a lot of pages to merge | 06:23 |
| lucas | I like to have a "global view" | 06:23 |
| lucas | but in general, my proposal meets yours | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | ok | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | I guess the only real difference is I like to have a Wannabe section | 06:25 |
| LaserJock | but in essence I think we are both thinking on the same page | 06:26 |
| jeld | this is a bit of a silly question, but is there a list of things that people requested to be packaged, I would like to help out packaging/porting stuff | 06:26 |
| LaserJock | wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates | 06:26 |
| jeld | LaserJock: thanx | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | jeld: btw that is a good question and not silly at all :-) | 06:28 |
| Kyral | lol | 06:28 |
| Kyral | we are getting more Trainees eh? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | always | 06:28 |
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| jeld | LaserJock: if I cuold make a suggestion, could be a good idea to have a link to that page from the MOTUTodo | 06:29 |
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| LaserJock | jeld: there isn't one? | 06:30 |
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| LaserJock | jeld: it is there under Packaging | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | "UniverseCandidates - A wishlist of programs that people would like to have included in Ubuntu. These need to get reviewed and packaged.UniverseCandidates - A wishlist of programs that people would like to have included in Ubuntu. These need to get reviewed and packaged." | 06:31 |
| Kyral | Actually I'm working on yamysqlfront | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: what does it do? | 06:32 |
| jeld | oh, crap, overlooked it | 06:32 |
| Kyral | MySQL frontend thing | 06:32 |
| Kyral | Upstream is very responsive :D | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | jeld: np , thanks for checking | 06:33 |
| Kyral | and looks very...awesome | 06:33 |
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| Kyral | but I emailed upstream and he said he is about to release a new version with a crapload of bugfixes soon so I'll work on it then | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: cool, although I don't use MySQL (that I know of) | 06:34 |
| Kyral | I do | 06:34 |
| Kyral | Kassetra pointed it out to me | 06:35 |
| lucas | I reworked https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU to give a better view of what MOTU work is | 06:38 |
| lucas | please comment, improve, it | 06:38 |
| lucas | etc | 06:38 |
| dholbach | lucas: thanks for your efforts - you rock! | 06:41 |
| dholbach | lucas: MOTUNewSoftware -> UniverseCandidates? | 06:41 |
| lucas | nah, I want to explain it better before redirecting to UniverseCandidates | 06:41 |
| lucas | and also talk about REVU, etc | 06:42 |
| lucas | so it gets easier to get the global picture | 06:42 |
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| seth_k|lappy | s/monthly\ hold/monthly-held/ for bonus points | 06:43 |
| lucas | I didn't write that ;) | 06:44 |
| lucas | but I'm fixing it | 06:44 |
| dholbach | lucas: sounds good | 06:44 |
| dholbach | ROCK! | 06:45 |
| dholbach | it'll be much easier for everybody and life in MOTU land will be happy again | 06:45 |
| lucas | anyway, the 'Useful links' part is going to change a lot | 06:45 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: just be careful about creating a lot of new wiki pages, they become hard to get rid of ;-) | 06:46 |
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| lucas | I'll remove and add redirects to those who are no longer necessary | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | lucas: we should probably have one wiki page for each section of material | 06:46 |
| lucas | "section of material" ? | 06:46 |
| dholbach | we should have a backup wiki and just dump stuff we think might not be needed any more and see how long it takes until somebody complains ;) | 06:46 |
| lucas | dholbach: we have an history, don't we ? | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: well that is what I intended MOTU/DocTodo for but that would be good too | 06:47 |
| LaserJock | lucas: we could have Documentation page and a Team page (MOTUTeams is already there) etc. | 06:48 |
| lucas | yep | 06:49 |
| LaserJock | if we seperate the wiki into a few navigational wiki pages that we then link to all the other "work" pages | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | we can then update the navigational pages easily but it still remains easy for people to navigate | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | I asked over at -doc about redirects and deletions and it was suggested to use redirects for anything older than about 2 weeks and to google URLs to see if anything is linking to pages that we want to delete | 06:52 |
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| LaserJock | hmm, maybe we could use MOTUWork, MOTUDoc, MOTUInfo, and MOTUTeams for navigation ? | 07:01 |
| lucas | MOTUWork seems to generic | 07:01 |
| lucas | I started adding all bugfixing-related content to MOTUBugFixing | 07:01 |
| LaserJock | I imagine that the process realated info would be linked to MOTUWork, do you have a better suggestion for a name? | 07:02 |
| lucas | well, we can split the different processes in different pages | 07:03 |
| lucas | merge/syncs-related => MOTUMerging | 07:04 |
| lucas | bugfixing => MOTUBugfixing | 07:04 |
| lucas | REVU/UniverseCandidates => MOTUNewSoftware | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | lucas: right but I think it would be good to have a few navigational pages but maybe it would be better to split them | 07:04 |
| lucas | I think the navigation between MOTU{Merging,Bugfixing,NewSoftware} can simply be MOTU | 07:05 |
| dholbach | and we should probably move to MOTU/... | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | sure but I think you lose some of the "big picture" view | 07:05 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I think so, some don't like it but I think it is worth | 07:06 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I think the big picture is first about getting people from the outside to understand what we do | 07:07 |
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| lucas | then, one link away, how we do it | 07:07 |
| lucas | (and one the same page, how they can help) | 07:07 |
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| lucas | is there a wiki page describing the merging process ? | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I like the idea of using navigational pages that only link to (and describe) the actual working pages | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | w.u.c/Merging | 07:10 |
| lucas | but then you get a lot of navigational pages | 07:11 |
| lucas | and you get lost | 07:11 |
| lucas | (like currently) | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | no, just a few that have lots of links | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | it is easier for me anyway | 07:11 |
| lucas | you can use MOTU for that I think :-) | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | not really | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | then MOTU would be huge | 07:11 |
| lucas | not _that_ huge | 07:12 |
| lucas | since in the process | 07:12 |
| lucas | some pages will disapear | 07:12 |
| LaserJock | well but we want to allow for people to be able to make wiki pages without having to worry about the navigation | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | too much anyway | 07:13 |
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| lucas | I'm not sure we understand each other | 07:13 |
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| LaserJock | well, I think we aren't that far apart | 07:13 |
| lucas | can you explain "navigational pages" ? I'm not sure I understand what you mean | 07:14 |
| LaserJock | ok, so on the MOTUWork page we could provide an overview and links to all the process related pages. That way we don't have to move content much and people get a better picture of where the pages are | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | maybe we don't need to have seperate pages but sections on the MOTU page | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | but the main thing I think we need is some seperation between navigation and content. The content creators most likely will not want to worry about the navigation | 07:17 |
| lucas | mmh, what would you change from what I just did on MOTU and MOTUBugFixing ? | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | and also the navigation will be more consistent and organized | 07:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I guess it doesn't really describe what kind of content it has, tutorials, process, todo? | 07:18 |
| lucas | I don't understand why you seek separation between content and navigation | 07:19 |
| lucas | I hate when I have to go through several pages before finding the content I'm looking for | 07:20 |
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| LaserJock | well because the people who are writing docs don't want to have to worry about navigation and organization that just want to write a little howto or something | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | s/that/they/ | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | I don't think you would have to go through several pages | 07:21 |
| lucas | then they can just add a link somewhere to their page | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | but I could be wrong. I mean that is just what I personaly find helpful | 07:22 |
| lucas | anyway, just writing a little howto in a random place without seeing the global picture is a bad idea IMHO | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | right but that is how the wiki ended up this way and really it isn't to bad if you add a layer of navigation and organization, I don't think | 07:23 |
| lucas | well, I'm personally not very happy with the wiki currently | 07:23 |
| lucas | and I think that a lot of people have problems understand what MOTU is about etc | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | so basically you would like to have a page on each topic will all the content for that topic | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | right but that is why we need to fix it | 07:24 |
| lucas | maybe subpages when the page gets very long | 07:24 |
| lucas | but currently, we have A LOT of redundancy | 07:25 |
| lucas | dholbach: about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | 07:25 |
| lucas | couldn't we just manage the lists via launchpad bugs ? | 07:25 |
| lucas | aren't the lists redundant ? | 07:25 |
| lucas | like: when a merge is ready, the bug is assigned to motureviewers | 07:25 |
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| LaserJock | ok, my problem is that I see the problem as a navigational more so than content | 07:26 |
| lucas | when the upload is done, the motureviewers adds a comment | 07:26 |
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| lucas | and when the package is built everywhere, somebody closes the bug | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | lucas: well MOTUToMerge predates motureviewers | 07:26 |
| lucas | ok, so we could just add a note in bold to MOTUToMerge saying to use motureviewers, no ? | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | well, http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py at least | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | which it does | 07:27 |
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| lucas | all this redundancy... | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | very true | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but again I see the problem as navigational | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | people don't know they are being redundant if the don't know what is already there | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | although I don't think there is that much redundecy with the merging | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | other then how to | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | I think MOTUToMerge has all the info | 07:30 |
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| lucas | yep, but the tables at the bottom are not needed | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | well, kinda | 07:31 |
| lucas | since motureviewers-assigned bugs can be used instead | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | those also predate motureviewers | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | but I think they are still valuable | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I think for merging, REVU and motureviewers are too slow | 07:32 |
| lucas | REVU has nothing to do with merging | 07:32 |
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| LaserJock | doesn't motureviewrs use REVU? maybe I am way off | 07:33 |
| lucas | nah, motureviewers uses bug reports with a debdiff attached | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | what is it used for then? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | only for Malone patches? | 07:35 |
| lucas | well motureviewers is a LP team | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | ok, well maybe there is redundancy there then. but that is mostly due to evolving processes for merging | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | anyway, I really feel that the MOTU wiki needs to seperate navigation/organization and content to some degree | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | but I'm not sure to what degree and how to best achieve it | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | maybe eventually a lot of the MOTU stuff will need to move off the wiki | 07:39 |
| lucas | going home. will be back soon. | 07:43 |
| psusi | I'm trying to add a new specification to launchpad and it is saying that the name has an error: constraint not satisfied... the name is "PacketCD", what on earth is wrong with that? | 07:45 |
| psusi | ohh, nevermind... it didn't like the capital letters | 07:46 |
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| lucas | re | 08:07 |
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| chninkel | hi again, I merged mysql-server-common | 08:25 |
| chninkel | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/mysql-query-browser/+bug/6390 | 08:25 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6390: "query-browser (Ubuntu) - mysql-query-browser: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: mysql-query-browser (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/bugs/6390 | 08:25 |
| chninkel | Am doing the merge thing correctly ? | 08:26 |
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| === lucas looking at it | ||
| lucas | the changelog diff seems strange to me | 08:35 |
| lucas | since the versions are out of order | 08:35 |
| === lucas continues to destroy^H^Hreorganize the MOTU wiki ;) | ||
| chninkel | well I used http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/mysql-query-browser/mysql-query-browser_merged.patch | 08:38 |
| chninkel | it put the changelog in this order so I thought it was ok | 08:38 |
| lucas | never believe the patches from MoM ;) | 08:38 |
| chninkel | ok first rule learned ;) | 08:39 |
| chninkel | I had to reapply the same change as in 1.1.17-4ubuntu1 | 08:40 |
| chninkel | do I have to mention it again in my changelog entry ? | 08:40 |
| lucas | it's better | 08:41 |
| chninkel | ok | 08:41 |
| lucas | the more info you put in your -ubuntu changelog entry, the easier it will be for the next person doing a merge | 08:42 |
| lucas | but maybe, in this case, you should check that libmysqlclient15-dev still doesn't exist on dapper | 08:42 |
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| chninkel | still doesn't exist | 08:44 |
| chninkel | already checked ;) | 08:45 |
| lucas | ok | 08:45 |
| lucas | so, except that you have to re-order changelog entries, everything looks fine | 08:46 |
| lucas | have you rebuilt the package etc ? | 08:46 |
| chninkel | yes | 08:46 |
| chninkel | but the binary doesnt' work | 08:46 |
| chninkel | but the previous package segfaulted | 08:46 |
| chninkel | so the bug must exist in the debian package | 08:47 |
| GregorR-L | Should a debian/copyright file have multiple "Copyright Holder" lines? | 08:49 |
| chninkel | I will try to look at this bug but I first wanted to know if I did the merge thing correctly | 08:49 |
| lucas | chninkel: have you checked if it is reported in the debian BTS ? | 08:49 |
| chninkel | lucas: the segfault bug was filed, but the new binary crashes with a different error message | 08:51 |
| chninkel | lucas: I will try to setup a debian unstable environement to test | 08:52 |
| chninkel | lucas: seems necessary to work on merging stuffs with debian unstable | 08:52 |
| lucas | ok, good idea | 08:52 |
| lucas | it's easier, but not always necessary | 08:53 |
| dholbach | you could all do me a favour: there are quite a lot of bugs for universe packages - please have a look after you did a merge, if they can be closed | 08:54 |
| dholbach | i suppose there is *quite* a bunch of stuff that is resolved by just doing a rebuild (which is done with a merge) | 08:54 |
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| chninkel | lucas: thanks for your help | 08:55 |
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| raphink | dholbach: I just largely modified https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU . Can you review it ? ;) | 09:10 |
| dholbach | raphink: sistpoty and siretart would be the better candidates for that | 09:12 |
| raphink | ok | 09:12 |
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| psusi | anyone know of a page I can read to learn about how debconf scripts work? | 09:14 |
| lucas | raphink: which parts did you change ? | 09:15 |
| raphink | lucas: hehe | 09:15 |
| === lucas modified REVU basically at the same time | ||
| raphink | lucas: i'm editing to keep your changes and mine | 09:15 |
| lucas | arg | 09:15 |
| lucas | ok | 09:15 |
| raphink | trying to keep both ;) | 09:15 |
| lucas | my changes are only about adding the Additional rules section | 09:16 |
| raphink | you added Additional rules, right? | 09:16 |
| raphink | ok | 09:16 |
| raphink | then it's fine | 09:16 |
| raphink | maybe it could be moved though | 09:16 |
| raphink | there could be a section to explain how to upload | 09:16 |
| raphink | dput -f blahblah_source.changes | 09:16 |
| raphink | containing this stuff about reviewing your app before submitting | 09:17 |
| lucas | well, the thing is, reviewing is part of packaging | 09:17 |
| lucas | not uploading | 09:17 |
| lucas | so I don't think it should go to REVU | 09:17 |
| lucas | can you add a note to MOTUNewSoftware ? | 09:18 |
| lucas | about reviewing ? | 09:18 |
| raphink | hmm you just put it there though | 09:18 |
| lucas | yeah | 09:18 |
| lucas | well, I don't know :-) | 09:18 |
| raphink | Additional rules | 09:18 |
| raphink | (moved from UniverseCandidates) | 09:18 |
| raphink | you must have reviewed this package for known security vulnerabilities and provide patches for all of them | 09:18 |
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| lucas | yeah I know | 09:19 |
| lucas | it was totally out of place on UniverseCandidates | 09:19 |
| lucas | it's a bit better on REVU | 09:20 |
| raphink | indeed | 09:20 |
| raphink | haha | 09:20 |
| raphink | lucas: can you review the page and tell me what you think ? | 09:20 |
| raphink | I modified quite a lot of things | 09:20 |
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| lucas | I still find the introduction a bit confusing | 09:21 |
| lucas | it could probably be made more clear | 09:21 |
| lucas | also, === Register as reviewer === is displayed unformatted | 09:21 |
| raphink | can you reload the page ? | 09:22 |
| raphink | I corrected that 5 mins ago | 09:22 |
| lucas | ok, true | 09:23 |
| lucas | "howto upload" should go to "contribute as uploader" | 09:23 |
| lucas | not contribute as reviewer | 09:23 |
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| raphink | hmm | 09:23 |
| raphink | indeed :) | 09:23 |
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| raphink | i'll move that | 09:24 |
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| raphink | The upload process is similar to uploading to ubuntu, see [:Uploads] | 09:25 |
| raphink | I don't think that's very useful | 09:26 |
| raphink | since new REVU uploaders are not Ubuntu uploaders | 09:26 |
| raphink | obviously | 09:26 |
| raphink | what do you think lucas ? | 09:26 |
| lucas | I agree | 09:27 |
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| raphink | :) | 09:27 |
| Kyral | Is it safe to say that the OSI Approved Licenses are the same ones we can use (ie, if a package falls under one of them we can use it) | 09:29 |
| tseng | eh its more complicated than that | 09:30 |
| tseng | for an extreme case see the fluendo mp3 thread | 09:30 |
| tseng | but ftp-master checks all that on new packages | 09:30 |
| Kyral | oh I was wondering what that thing was about | 09:31 |
| raphink | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU | 09:32 |
| raphink | bbl | 09:32 |
| Kyral | oh boy | 09:33 |
| Kyral | Some non-coder asked me to explain Open Source and why some game doesn't fall under it | 09:34 |
| psusi | "Because they don't give you the source code" | 09:34 |
| Kyral | Actually they are in this case | 09:34 |
| psusi | then it is open source ;) | 09:34 |
| Kyral | ...but I don't see a license anywhere | 09:34 |
| Kyral | I meant by the OSI def | 09:35 |
| psusi | no license at all? | 09:35 |
| Kyral | no | 09:35 |
| psusi | then it's in the public domain, wee! ;) | 09:35 |
| Kyral | www.uplink.co.tk | 09:35 |
| Kyral | You have to buy the source | 09:35 |
| Kyral | guy is claiming once you have it you do whatever | 09:35 |
| psusi | do you sign a license agreement when you do that? | 09:35 |
| Kyral | I dunno | 09:36 |
| Kyral | I'm not tryin' it | 09:36 |
| psusi | well, whatever it's license is, if they give you the source code, its open source in my book ;) | 09:36 |
| tseng | if you pay for the source, its not exactly open at all | 09:36 |
| Kyral | He plans to mod it and release it as a new game | 09:36 |
| Kyral | yah thats my point | 09:36 |
| Kyral | that I'm trying to drill into him | 09:37 |
| psusi | I consider it open source even if you pay for it... you got the source and you can modify it... that's what OSS is about, not free as in beer | 09:37 |
| tseng | i guess you might be able to release code under the bsd, ship a binary and charge to see the code | 09:37 |
| tseng | or mit | 09:37 |
| psusi | Kyral: depends on what the license is... he may not be able to distribute it to others... and in any case, he certainly can't release it as a new game without crediting the original authors | 09:38 |
| Kyral | Oh I know that | 09:38 |
| Kyral | about crediting | 09:38 |
| Kyral | its common decenty to credit the original authors anyway | 09:38 |
| tseng | anyway this converstaion seems to be totally based in a hypothetical plane | 09:38 |
| Kyral | yah good point | 09:38 |
| psusi | tseng: exactly... it doesn't matter weather you pay for it or not... or if you can redistribute it... if you got the source, that's what matters | 09:38 |
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| tseng | psusi: eh microsoft gives people source under strict conditions | 09:39 |
| tseng | its not open or free in the same sense as osi | 09:39 |
| psusi | but... if you got the source code to this game without agreeing to a license, and there isn't one clearly posted in the source itself... it sounds like it's in the public domain | 09:39 |
| tseng | or gnu | 09:39 |
| psusi | tseng: right... conditions that are far more strict than they give the binaries under... which is to say, you buy a copy of windows, you don't get the source... hence, it's not open source | 09:40 |
| Kyral | jeez I didn't mean to start this lol | 09:40 |
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| jouni__m | have anyone tested buoh online comics reader 0.8.1? | 10:03 |
| jouni__m | It just needs libsoup-dev installed and then ./configure ,make and make install | 10:05 |
| dholbach | lucas: you're flooding my inbox :-) | 10:09 |
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| Kyral | dholbach: this is what I use Evolution filters for :D | 10:09 |
| lucas | heh | 10:09 |
| lucas | I'm stopping soon | 10:10 |
| raphink | siretart : can you give me your opinion on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/REVU ? | 10:10 |
| lucas | I'll still try to merge the Merge-related pages | 10:10 |
| raphink | good :) | 10:10 |
| raphink | and i'll try to package the package-related then | 10:10 |
| Kyral | I should expand the PBuilder page | 10:11 |
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| raphink | Kyral: you mean PbuilderHowTo? | 10:11 |
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| Kyral | Yah I think.. | 10:12 |
| Kyral | in the Wiki right? | 10:12 |
| raphink | ok | 10:12 |
| raphink | maybe it could be nice to make a link to the chroot page | 10:12 |
| raphink | too | 10:12 |
| raphink | it's kinda linked | 10:12 |
| Kyral | I was gonna put down something on Multiple PBuilders | 10:12 |
| raphink | oh nice :) | 10:13 |
| Kyral | Granted everyone has thier own methods | 10:13 |
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| raphink | of course :) | 10:13 |
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| Kyral | hey dholbach | 10:18 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | How To Track Merge Status -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | Grab your merge here: http://tiber.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new | sign up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com now! | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by \sh at Wed Dec 14 00:06:37 2005 | ||
| (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) hi ajmitch :) | 10:58 | |
| (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) ah, I didn't spot that you'd had other source in there | 10:58 | |
| (slomo/#ubuntu-motu) StevenK: ping? | 10:58 | |
| (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hello slomo | 10:58 | |
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| (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) slomo: bugging for sponsorship again? | 10:59 | |
| (GregorR-L/#ubuntu-motu) Like me 8-D | 10:59 | |
| slomo | ajmitch: yes... but this time not you ;) well, if you want to sponsor something ok... but i think you've already done more than enough for me in the last days... better care for everything else on your todo list :) | 11:02 |
| ajmitch | :P | 11:02 |
| === ajmitch should go back to bed then | ||
| GregorR-L | lol | 11:03 |
| lucas | ajmitch: could you please review bug 1299 ? | 11:03 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, may I have the next dance? ;-) | 11:03 |
| slomo | ajmitch: you mean your todo list is empty? ;P | 11:03 |
| lucas | I don't know what to do about it | 11:03 |
| GregorR-L | Hahahahahah, ajmitch is popular, eh. | 11:04 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, Seriously, I was wondering if your motu-school class exists as anything other than an IRC log? If not, I'm converting it... | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | kjcole: I *was* going to write it up in something more coherent than an irc brain dump :) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | lucas: um, let me wake up first :) | 11:05 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, I started to do it as HTML, then thought, "No, perhaps wiki" and then "Perhaps it's already done..." | 11:06 |
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| ajmitch | it doesn't read so well as a straight irc log | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | slomo: my todo list is shrinking, certainly | 11:07 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, Yeah. I was interested in the class, but didn't want to take it at IRC speed. I've actually done a lot of converting already (to both HTML and wiki) but haven't posted it anywhere. | 11:09 |
| ajmitch | ok, great | 11:09 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, I've stripped out all the timestamps, and moved your nick appears once at the top of each section you authored rather than on every line. | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | I think it'll need a little more work than that | 11:10 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, it's also broken up (or joined) into what seemed like logical paragraphs. | 11:10 |
| ajmitch | it's not like I was actually coherent at 6AM when I did it ;) | 11:11 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, Definitely needs more work than what I've done to it... which is why I got to thinking wiki instead of HTML, as it would be easier for others to mess up | 11:11 |
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| kjcole | s/mess up/edit/ ;-) | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | please, it would be good to have on the wiki | 11:12 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, will do. You should see it out there shortly... | 11:12 |
| lucas | are multiverse packages managed by MOTUs too ? | 11:13 |
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| Amaranth | yeah | 11:14 |
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| nalioth | what is the exact name of the motu classroom channel? | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | #ubuntu-motu-school | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | not that it gets used | 11:20 |
| nalioth | well which one is better for struggling packager questions? | 11:20 |
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| Amaranth | here | 11:20 |
| nalioth | i'm running debuild and getting this error dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: syntax error in control file debian/control at line 13 line with unknown format (not field-colon-value) | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: as it says | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | debian/control is broken :) | 11:22 |
| nalioth | i've asked other devs what the proper syntax is, and have used the same syntax that comes with it by default | 11:22 |
| raphink | with a not field-colon-value error :) | 11:22 |
| nalioth | package, package2, package3 | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: put debian/control on pastebin | 11:23 |
| raphink | yes | 11:23 |
| raphink | ;) | 11:23 |
| nalioth | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6547 | 11:25 |
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| === nalioth fervently wishes for a 'Debian packaging for dummies' | ||
| ajmitch | nalioth: long description must be intended by a single space for each line | 11:25 |
| jouni__m | miten se IR anturi kiinnitetn koneeseen? | 11:26 |
| raphink | yep that's the mistake :) | 11:26 |
| jouni__m | sorry wrong channel | 11:26 |
| raphink | jouni__m: no finnish here please | 11:26 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: indented? | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: and drop the <> :) | 11:26 |
| raphink | nalioth: no, indented | 11:26 |
| raphink | preceded from a space | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6548 | 11:27 |
| raphink | s/from/by/ | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | yes, indented | 11:27 |
| nalioth | ok thank you. | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | read what I mean, not what I say ;P | 11:27 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: yes, i'll try to tune my ESP in more accurately, :P | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | does it work now? | 11:29 |
| nalioth | it started out and got further than before | 11:29 |
| nalioth | ok it failed at the key signing part | 11:29 |
| nalioth | i will ask Uncle Google about that | 11:29 |
| nalioth | the howto i read said it would ask me (or it inferred that) | 11:30 |
| kjcole | ajmitch, any good idea where to put my first draft? I'm thinking maybe a MotuSchool/ tree, but then a page name that is chronological in nature... (I think you'll like it...) | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: debian/changelog has an entry from you, right? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | with your email address in it? | 11:31 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: yes it has that | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: pastebin ;) | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | you have a gpg key with that name/email as uid? | 11:32 |
| lucas | ajmitch: can you ask elmo to sync flashplugin-nonfree, overriding all ubuntu changes ? it is LP bug 6395 | 11:32 |
| nalioth | so you can see how whacked i am, i'm following this http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/PackagingTutorial | 11:32 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: no. dammit. | 11:32 |
| === nalioth was using his spiffy @ubuntu.com address :( | ||
| ajmitch | nalioth: that will cause some issues | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | nalioth: just debuild -k<KEYID> | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | or dpkg-buildpackage if that takes your fancy | 11:32 |
| nalioth | i've changed the line in my .bashrc to export my email that matches my gpg key | 11:34 |
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| nalioth | and yes i've sourced it | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | then you'd still need to tell debuild to use the right key | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | since it'll want to use the address in debian/changelog | 11:35 |
| nalioth | <sigh> | 11:35 |
| nalioth | one of these weeks i'll get this | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | it's really not hard :) | 11:35 |
| nalioth | ajmitch: once or twice through, no it's not. (practice makes perfect, lol) | 11:37 |
| nalioth | wow it worked (or it finished, anyway) | 11:38 |
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| raphink | :) | 11:39 |
| raphink | good, we need more KDE packagers and devs :) | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | lucas: current debian flashplayer-nonfree seems to have some serious issues | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | (according to bugreports) | 11:43 |
| nalioth | well i'll be damned, my first package. | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | well done | 11:43 |
| nalioth | probably rough as a dried out corn cob, but it installs and runs | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | submit it for review & we can rip it apart | 11:44 |
| nalioth | i haven't lintian'd it yet | 11:44 |
| lucas | ajmitch: didn't check the bug reports, looking at them now | 11:45 |
| nalioth | ok lintian told me where to go, let me go polish | 11:46 |
| raphink | :) | 11:46 |
| nalioth | where do i go to find out what pkgs are being worked on or considered? | 11:46 |
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| lucas | ajmitch: ok, let's wait for a while and we'll see | 11:50 |
| raphink | nalioth: REVU for example | 11:52 |
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| Lathiat | tseng: mmm, i've been meaning to look at that | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | morning Lathiat | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | up early, or up late? | 11:59 |
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