| Lord_Athur | jajaj | 12:05 |
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| Lord_Athur | ok | 12:05 |
| Lord_Athur | then mhz do i past here the error??????????????????? | 12:05 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: no idea how to help you because the only times I have had problems with initrd files is when kernel has got errors | 12:06 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: nope | 12:06 |
| Lord_Athur | when I pasted it on ubuntu, someone baned me | 12:06 |
| mhz | exactly | 12:06 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 12:06 |
| Lord_Athur | hehehe | 12:06 |
| mhz | there is a 'pastebin' site | 12:06 |
| Lord_Athur | yes | 12:06 |
| mhz | I dont recall any now | 12:06 |
| lucasvo | anyone know what I can do? | 12:06 |
| Lord_Athur | I used it, but from this moment nobody tries to help me | 12:07 |
| mhz | but if you use that and paste here only the url of your paste.. that's ok | 12:07 |
| mhz | noone can ban you for that | 12:07 |
| lucasvo | I can't see anything strange on tty04 | 12:07 |
| Lord_Athur | lucasvo, i cannot see anything strange there | 12:07 |
| mhz | lucasvo: I'd love to but i have not installed a thing in months | 12:07 |
| lucasvo | is it possible that loading a single module takes more than 1h? | 12:07 |
| mhz | nope | 12:08 |
| mhz | IMHO, thoug | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | mhz: how can I manually load a module? | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | insmod isofs: file not ofund | 12:08 |
| lucasvo | ah strange, isofs already seems to be loaded | 12:08 |
| jouni__m | lucasvo modprobe isofs I guess | 12:08 |
| mhz | lucasvo: modules are loaded by using 'modprobe the_module' | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | yeah | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | so it is only the installer | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | which crashes | 12:09 |
| lucasvo | :( | 12:09 |
| mhz | lucasvo: did you try 'hitting the box' with love? | 12:09 |
| mhz | (we call that 'hitting' "el golpe tecnico" in Chile) | 12:10 |
| mhz | :D | 12:10 |
| Lord_Athur | jajaj | 12:10 |
| Lord_Athur | iok | 12:10 |
| mhz | lucasvo: I had similar trouble with a damaged CD | 12:10 |
| mhz | ofcourse, I never new it was damaged until then | 12:10 |
| mhz | :( | 12:10 |
| Lord_Athur | mhz, is there is a edubuntu man, who is the ubuntu & kubuntu sr? | 12:11 |
| Lord_Athur | lo dije mal | 12:12 |
| Lord_Athur | xD | 12:12 |
| lucasvo | hm, is there any way, how to do a manual installation? | 12:12 |
| Lord_Athur | me va psimo con el ingls | 12:12 |
| mhz | lucasvo: what do you have in mind? | 12:12 |
| lucasvo | mhz: not using debconf | 12:13 |
| lucasvo | or just skip the step which comes after modprobe isofs | 12:14 |
| jouni__m | lucasvo I usually do expert or server install and then install ubuntu-desktop in your case edubuntu-desktop | 12:14 |
| mhz | lucasvo: oh, like 'installing from scratch'? | 12:14 |
| lucasvo | jouni__m: I want a server install | 12:14 |
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| lucasvo | jouni__m: but can I do that without debconf? | 12:14 |
| mhz | lucasvo: server is safer than any mode AFAIK | 12:14 |
| lucasvo | I am using server install | 12:15 |
| mhz | oh | 12:15 |
| mhz | flight 2 or breezy? | 12:15 |
| lucasvo | I just wan't an IPtables firewall :D | 12:15 |
| lucasvo | breezy | 12:15 |
| mhz | but you can set IpTables from any machine | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | hm? | 12:16 |
| jouni__m | ubuntu server install is minimal install without gnome or KDE don't know what edubuntu has | 12:16 |
| lucasvo | jouni__m: yeah, but still, it crashes after loading the isofs | 12:17 |
| lucasvo | hm, let's try what happens, when I load isofs before | 12:19 |
| jouni__m | lucasvo oh no. do you have (k)ubuntu cd? | 12:19 |
| lucasvo | jouni__m: the problem is, I have no cd drive | 12:20 |
| lucasvo | waaaa | 12:20 |
| lucasvo | now it crashes, when it loads ide-cd, at 92% | 12:20 |
| lucasvo | silly | 12:24 |
| lucasvo | it crashes at 92% all the time, doesn't depend on which module I load | 12:24 |
| lucasvo | ogra: can you help me with pxe install? | 12:35 |
| ogra | just use your ltsp server ;) | 12:38 |
| ogra | and provide the installer image instead of the normal ltsp images | 12:39 |
| lucasvo | ogra: and replace wich files with what? | 12:39 |
| ogra | the files in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp with the ones from the url i gave you for the netboot installer | 12:40 |
| lucasvo | ogra: ok thanks | 12:40 |
| lucasvo | ogra: would it boot wih ltsp? | 12:44 |
| ogra | why shouldnt it | 12:45 |
| ogra | but since you wanted to install, i'd use the install image | 12:45 |
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| lucasvo | hm, there is a LAN option, but it doesn't seem to be pxe | 12:47 |
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| Lord_Athur | re | 02:07 |
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| mhz | ogra_ibook: what do you think about this simplicity for CSS rc1 ? http://ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/Inicio | 02:51 |
| mhz | (is it too simple?) | 02:51 |
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| kjcole | Hi mhz, (and others)... Are we meeting in 10 hours? Or is this a week we're off? | 02:58 |
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| kjcole | Oops. Never mind. I found it. ("No" for those of you who might also be wondering. Next meeting on Jan 11.) | 03:05 |
| crimsun | right, I was pointing to fridge.u.c as listing the next meeting as 8 days away before this coffee shop's wifi connectivity broke. Again. | 03:07 |
| mhz | kjcole: crimsun: Topic for #ubuntu-meeting is: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 5 Jan 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 10 Jan 15:00 UTC: Community Council | 11 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 03:11 |
| kjcole | mhz, So I'm illiterate. What else is new? ;-) Thanks. (I found it in the wiki as well.) | 03:12 |
| mhz | lol | 03:12 |
| mhz | kjcole: how's the doc going (me still can't contribute to it) | 03:13 |
| mhz | I hope you wont tell me "you did not want to contribute, mhz" | 03:13 |
| mhz | :D | 03:13 |
| kjcole | mhz, I was just thinking about mentioning that. | 03:13 |
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| kjcole | mhz, Honestly, I' | 03:14 |
| Lord_Athur | hi | 03:14 |
| mhz | kjcole: heheh | 03:15 |
| kjcole | mhz, Honestly, I'm not certain how to work this as a book: Although Jeff and I keep saying we welcome contributors, there's also a sense from both of us that the face-to-face meetings can't be beat. Since the original doc is around 150 printed pages, we're treating it like co-authors still. | 03:15 |
| kjcole | mhz, we're hoping to pass through it at least once as a two-some, and then, as I understand it, open up the contributing process a bit more. | 03:16 |
| kjcole | mhz, however, lucasvo has made a bzr branch off of the main branch, and is editing as well. | 03:17 |
| mhz | kjcole: so can we contribute now? | 03:18 |
| Lord_Athur | hi!!! | 03:18 |
| kjcole | mhz, I'm becoming slowly more comfortable with bzr, but am still a bit nervous working with it, and am not certain how to handle conflicts in merges. | 03:18 |
| mhz | I remember last thing you told me about not being ready to do so (BZR issues) | 03:18 |
| kjcole | Hi, Lord_Athur | 03:18 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: hi, what's the problem? | 03:18 |
| Lord_Athur | :D hi kjcole | 03:19 |
| kjcole | mhz, still some bzr problems. | 03:19 |
| Lord_Athur | I need to mount a squashfs file | 03:19 |
| Lord_Athur | ogra game information about the squashfs-tools package | 03:19 |
| mhz | Lord_Athur: so? is that why you needed us to say 'hi' so urgently ? | 03:19 |
| Lord_Athur | :D | 03:19 |
| mhz | kjcole: what are your current problems? | 03:20 |
| Lord_Athur | it was only to see who is avalible to talk :D | 03:20 |
| kjcole | mhz, but mostly our understanding of bzr, I think. | 03:20 |
| kjcole | mhz, it's damned slow about downloading a branch for one thing (and not very informative when it does). It looks like it hangs, but really it's still doing a download. | 03:21 |
| mhz | ohhh | 03:21 |
| kjcole | mhz, the main problem in my experiments is that when you have two documents that conflict, it tries to do something intelligent, but I don't know the best way to interpret what it returns. | 03:22 |
| mhz | kjcole: I only tested BZR once, when I tried to start contributing to your doc efforts | 03:22 |
| mhz | kjcole: lol! | 03:22 |
| mhz | kjcole: and did you feel the same with SVN? | 03:23 |
| kjcole | mhz, For example, if you have a file named "text" and you edit it in two different branches, then merge, it produces a "text" file with both changes and some markers indicating that the changes overlap. In addition it creates three other "text.*" files. | 03:24 |
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| mhz | kjcole: hmmm, that sounds weired to me too | 03:24 |
| kjcole | mhz, never used a RCS before. So I don't know anything about cvs, svn or the original bazaar. I'm brand new to this. | 03:25 |
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| mhz | kjcole: and of course, i guess you have talked to ogra about it | 03:25 |
| mhz | kjcole: i get your feelings | 03:25 |
| kjcole | mhz, I've spoken with him somewhat, but he's a bit overworked I think. ;-) | 03:25 |
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| mhz | he's indeed | 03:25 |
| mhz | he's Mr. Edubuntu | 03:26 |
| mhz | kjcole: we 're just the ones about to die, saluting :) | 03:26 |
| kjcole | mhz, Since both you and lucasvo continue expressing a lot of interest in editing, I'm wondering if a small IRC meeting between you, me, jelkner and lucasvo can be arranged, so that we're all making decisions together. | 03:26 |
| mhz | or, we could use a Moin wiki to edit and it automatically keeps a CVS in the back-end | 03:27 |
| mhz | :) | 03:27 |
| mhz | so we can alwasy revert changes | 03:27 |
| mhz | and edit what we all are doing | 03:28 |
| mhz | :) | 03:28 |
| mhz | and even create a huge mess | 03:28 |
| mhz | but I am for taking advantage of it over messing it up | 03:28 |
| mhz | so dont worry | 03:28 |
| mhz | kjcole: I know Moin can generate XML | 03:28 |
| kjcole | mhz, you and moin remind me about the way some folks feel about vi versus emacs. ;-) Fanatical. | 03:29 |
| mhz | easily and cleanly | 03:29 |
| mhz | kjcole: of course, that's the idea :) | 03:29 |
| mhz | but I can prove my point, so that's one big difference in my favour :D, kjcole | 03:29 |
| kjcole | mhz, Personally, I don't care which way we go. However, as far as I know, jelkner's the only one of us who has a book in print. So, I've been quite willing to follow his lead on this. | 03:30 |
| mhz | of course, I understand | 03:30 |
| mhz | but could you gimme the pleasure to give it just one try to show him and you why I insist on this? | 03:30 |
| mhz | Could you provide me with just a chapter | 03:31 |
| mhz | my only concern would be I have no idea what to do with an xml file when I get it ;) | 03:31 |
| kjcole | mhz, I do strongly want to lean towards bzr, over cvs, since there's a lot of energy from Ubuntu in that direction. However, wiki markup, versus other types of markup, I don't have strong feelings about. | 03:31 |
| mhz | good point | 03:32 |
| mhz | I do agree DockBook is the best markup for textas | 03:32 |
| mhz | -s | 03:32 |
| mhz | -as | 03:32 |
| mhz | but if we only needed Headings and bolds and italics and Codelistings, then Moin is my #1 candidate | 03:33 |
| mhz | but again, I have no clue about XML so I can't say much | 03:34 |
| kjcole | mhz, The standard is Docbook (XML), you want moin (wiki), jelkner wants lore (twisted HTML), and I don't really care, as long as we settle on one. Since Jeff and I have been meeting weekly, lore became the winner. | 03:34 |
| mhz | yup | 03:34 |
| mhz | so, our only problem is RCS ? | 03:35 |
| mhz | we solve that and we are ready to go? | 03:35 |
| mhz | go = rock | 03:35 |
| kjcole | I don't know Docbook, but am learning a little about XML. I do know wiki, and HTML. Lore was pretty simple to learn (I thought). Not much to it. | 03:35 |
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| mhz | do you edit XML with a front-end GUI or code? | 03:37 |
| kjcole | mhz, I don't know: Assuming the RCS is fine, if we are all choosing different markups, then it is still a problem: Either we convince you to go with lore, or you convince jelkner to go with moin, or all three of us learn Docbook. | 03:37 |
| mhz | LOL | 03:37 |
| kjcole | mhz, lore is really HTML, not XML. My small experiments in XML have been raw coding, but I did find an editor which tries to help a little: | 03:38 |
| mhz | kjcole: I can't insist on Moin if I am ignorant on XML, because in the end we gotta export Moin 2 XML (which people who masters XML do very easily). | 03:39 |
| kjcole | conglomerate is the name of the editor. | 03:39 |
| mhz | kjcole: ok, but today, on daily basis, when you sit and edit the edubuntu cookbook, do you use a window with buttons for bold, italics, headings, etc? or open Emacs and start editing raw code? | 03:40 |
| kjcole | mhz, conglomerate doesn't eliminate the need to know XML but it attempts to highlight things correctly and show you where problems occur with validating. | 03:40 |
| kjcole | mhz, day-to-day, it's emacs. (jelkner likes vi, I like emacs, but it's still raw for both of us.) | 03:41 |
| mhz | hmm | 03:42 |
| mhz | so it's not like you have a window where you select 'heading' and immediately inserts a H2 | 03:42 |
| kjcole | mhz, I find it fairly easy to remember <i>italicize this</i> and <b>boldface this</b> and <u>underline this</u>. Not a lot of markup to learn. | 03:42 |
| mhz | hehe | 03:43 |
| mhz | it was an example | 03:43 |
| mhz | some stuff is very simple, indeed | 03:43 |
| mhz | IIRC there was a XML GUI book editor... | 03:43 |
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| kjcole | mhz, nope. And I find when editing, if I have to take my hands off the keyboard to play with the mouse, it slows me down. And if there's a keyboard shortcut for <h2> it doesn't help me that much. | 03:44 |
| crimsun | if anyone's based in the Baltimore/D.C. area, I'll be passing through on the 22nd/23rd of this month if you want to sign keys. | 03:46 |
| kjcole | mhz, however, with XML in emacs, if you add the right "plugin" or "emacs mode", it almost does what you want: Something like Control-C, C and then part of a tag will add both the starting and ending tags, and then sometimes offer possible tags to add between. | 03:46 |
| kjcole | crimsun, I'm in Brain-Washington, DC but without wheels. | 03:47 |
| kjcole | crimsun, jelkner is also in this area. | 03:47 |
| crimsun | kjcole: ok | 03:48 |
| kjcole | crimsun, so are you passing through both Washington and Baltimore? | 03:48 |
| crimsun | kjcole: yes, but I'll be in Baltimore primarily | 03:49 |
| mhz | kjcole: sorry, it was Lyx for LaTex | 03:49 |
| mhz | and the other was kxmleditor (if you use KDE) | 03:50 |
| kjcole | mhz, I've fooled with LyX too. (I know only a very tiny part of raw LaTeX. So I use LyX when I want to play with that.) | 03:50 |
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| mhz | (just in case it's KISS enough for me) | 03:51 |
| kjcole | mhz, but I don't generally need LaTeX at all, so I haven't played with LyX very much. | 03:51 |
| mhz | yup, hence I said 'sorry' | 03:51 |
| kjcole | conglomerate is still a little buggy and slow, but it appears to be functional. | 03:52 |
| kjcole | mhz, slow on large documents at least. It might behave better on smaller stuff. | 03:52 |
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| kjcole | crimsun, well, if your schedule puts you in DC during dinner time, we could probably work something out. Or, since the 23rd is a Sunday, perhaps lunch. | 03:54 |
| crimsun | hmm, 22nd? | 03:54 |
| kjcole | mhz, I feel the same way about vi. Apparently, vi is supposed to have a nice outline plugin, but since I don't know vi, I haven't worked with it either. | 03:55 |
| kjcole | crimsun, right. My typo. | 03:55 |
| mhz | kjcole: I'd prefer Emacs over VI, but thx | 03:55 |
| crimsun | right, sounds good, will have more concrete plans in a bit. | 03:55 |
| kjcole | crimsun, ever had Ethiopean cuisine? ;-) | 03:57 |
| crimsun | nope :-) | 03:57 |
| mhz | kjcole: any url I can get one of your chapters from? | 03:58 |
| kjcole | crimsun, then, if you're a moderately adventurous eater, that's what we'll try to do (schedule permitting, of course). | 03:58 |
| crimsun | kjcole: sounds good | 03:58 |
| kjcole | mhz, do you have bzr? if so, "bzr branch http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook" and then just wait a while. | 03:59 |
| kjcole | (It will create a subdirectory named Cookbook, and populate it with all of the current files.) | 04:00 |
| mhz | kjcole: okis, i am on it | 04:00 |
| kjcole | mhz, the behavior we saw recently when doing this between my machine and flint's machine in Vermont was that it would quickly reach revision 5, then look completely dead for about 5-7 minutes, and then continue. | 04:01 |
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| kjcole | mhz, the bzr download would stop a second time, somewhere around revision 11, and then continue with the rest of the revisions very quickly. | 04:02 |
| mhz | okis | 04:03 |
| mhz | I wont desperate | 04:03 |
| mhz | [========= ] fetch revision 5/28 0:02:04 | 04:03 |
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| kjcole | mhz, currently at 27 revisions because we commit fairly often (and your branch becomes 28). | 04:04 |
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| kjcole | mhz, I gotta run. Adios! | 04:19 |
| tinsleyc | Jerome, are you here? | 04:19 |
| tinsleyc | How's mhz tonight? | 04:21 |
| tinsleyc | Mauricio??? | 04:23 |
| tinsleyc | Must be late... | 04:24 |
| tinsleyc | Another time. | 04:24 |
| mhz | re | 04:40 |
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| pc22 | hey writer | 11:38 |
| pc22 | hey Seveas | 11:38 |
| pc22 | hey alkl | 11:38 |
| jsgotangco | mmm?? | 11:38 |
| writer | hey pc22 | 11:43 |
| pc22 | hey ogra | 11:50 |
| pc22 | seen yagisan? | 11:50 |
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| bgrah | hello together , i am in a school and i am changing my woody-servers into sarge , later i will use LTSP - is there a version in edubuntu that works ? -- please give any feedback | 01:08 |
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| apokryphos | bgrah: yes, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ltsp&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all | 01:20 |
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| highvoltage | hi | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | edubuntu meeting today? | 01:28 |
| lucasvo | highvoltage: I can't see anything in the calendar | 01:43 |
| highvoltage | probably not then | 01:43 |
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| writer | IRC channel #ubuntu-meeting Agenda: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki 11.01. 16-17UTC | 01:46 |
| spacey_ki | highvoltage, because of the holidays IIRC | 01:47 |
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| highvoltage | ok | 01:49 |
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| tinsleyc | Good Morning Jerome | 02:23 |
| tinsleyc | What is the status of the Edubuntu cookbook and can I help in any way. I noticed that in checking the wiki, it does not even seem to be on the list. | 02:25 |
| tinsleyc | And the tuxlab cookbook isn't that relevant since it was based on the RH implementation of LTSP. | 02:26 |
| highvoltage | hi tinsleyc | 02:31 |
| highvoltage | tinsleyc: the tuXlab cookbook is being re-written with Edubuntu 6.04 in mind | 02:31 |
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| highvoltage | tinsleyc: i'm currently re-writing a big part of the technical and software parts, I will put up copies on the wiki ~ at the end of this month | 02:32 |
| tinsleyc | let me know if there is anything I can do to help. | 02:39 |
| spacey_ki | where is that bootchart suppose to end up again? | 02:45 |
| spacey_ki | /var/log/bootchart? | 02:45 |
| spacey_ki | GRMBl | 02:48 |
| highvoltage | tinsleyc: ok, thanks. are you on edubuntu-devel mailint list? | 02:51 |
| highvoltage | tinsleyc: i'll post about it there when the time comes | 02:51 |
| tinsleyc | I am going to have to double check on if I am on the devel list. I was at one time and then the other day, I did recieve a couple of messages from the list so I am not sure. | 02:54 |
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| ogra | :) | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | /topic :) | 02:56 |
| highvoltage | ogra: happy new year to you | 02:57 |
| Petaris | Hello highvoltage | 02:57 |
| ogra | same to you :) | 02:57 |
| highvoltage | hi Petaris | 02:57 |
| Petaris | Hi ogra | 02:57 |
| ogra | hey Petaris | 02:57 |
| highvoltage | ogra: i installed edubuntu flight 2, and i have a bit of the same problem as Edward has (posted to the list) | 02:57 |
| highvoltage | something i can type at cd boot time to use local files only? | 02:58 |
| ogra | just go back, that will drop you to a menu | 02:59 |
| ogra | there select the next task | 02:59 |
| highvoltage | yes, that's what i did. | 02:59 |
| highvoltage | but it doesn't build the multi-seat system, because it insists on getting it on-line | 03:00 |
| ogra | i currently have no working email , could you answer edward ? | 03:00 |
| ogra | oh, forget about multiseat | 03:00 |
| ogra | sip this one | 03:00 |
| ogra | *skip | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | you need connectivity for multiseat? | 03:00 |
| ogra | no idea | 03:00 |
| highvoltage | is multiseat ltsp or the 441 kind of thing? | 03:01 |
| ogra | i'm not aware that anybody ever used or tested multiseat since warty | 03:01 |
| ogra | its similar to 441 | 03:01 |
| highvoltage | aaah, ok. sorry, i confused it with ltsp. | 03:01 |
| ogra | but as i said, nobody has the HW to test it, and it will surely get dropped with multiseat inclusion in X | 03:01 |
| highvoltage | i will reply to edwards post then. | 03:01 |
| highvoltage | i didn't know it's going to be included in X. that's great. | 03:02 |
| highvoltage | you have no idea how much it sux not having an internet connection :( | 03:02 |
| ogra | i have | 03:03 |
| ogra | mine dropps as well from time to time .. | 03:03 |
| highvoltage | need to go now, bbl. | 03:06 |
| Petaris | later highvoltage | 03:06 |
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| spacey_ki | ogra, :) | 04:07 |
| spacey_ki | got dapper thin client chroot now | 04:07 |
| spacey_ki | but ldm doesn't want to log in | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | i don't think its dapper related, because before the upgrade the same problem occured | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address^M | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password^M | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | debug1: No more authentication methods to try.^M | 04:08 |
| spacey_ki | does that make sense? | 04:08 |
| mhz | spacey_ki: on the server, try 'ltsp-update-sshkeys' | 04:09 |
| mhz | and try again from the client | 04:09 |
| spacey_ki | mhz, already did that | 04:09 |
| mhz | oh | 04:09 |
| spacey_ki | before it stopped at host authentication failed or something | 04:09 |
| mhz | how many times? | 04:09 |
| spacey_ki | uh once? | 04:10 |
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| mhz | I tried three times until it worked (but under breezy) | 04:10 |
| spacey_ki | i'll check again tomorrow | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | first some other work to do | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | have to leave here now | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | head home | 04:11 |
| mhz | bytes | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | ogra, if you read it, feel free to reply, i'm still logged in as herman_ | 04:11 |
| spacey_ki | bbl | 04:11 |
| ogra | herman_, hmm, works here | 04:15 |
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| jingl3 | Hi folks, I've installed Edubuntu but having problems logging in to a thin client. Can anyone help? | 04:26 |
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| ogra | jingl3, you followed the install notes from the channel topic ? | 04:27 |
| jingl3 | User can login on server, but thin client login simply returns another login | 04:27 |
| ogra | did you change the ip or name of the system post install ? | 04:29 |
| jingl3 | Yes, I've been through all the steps. Needed to set the tftpd-hpa to work in daemon mode. | 04:29 |
| ogra | huh ? | 04:30 |
| ogra | why ? | 04:30 |
| ogra | its configured by default in edubuntu | 04:30 |
| ogra | the installer does it, else you installation failed | 04:30 |
| jingl3 | dunno why tftpd-hpa needed to be changed. daemon mode was set to NO. | 04:31 |
| ogra | thats right | 04:34 |
| ogra | it should, since it gets started by inetd on demand | 04:34 |
| jingl3 | I needed to change /etc/defaults/tftpd-hpa to RUN_DAEMON="yes" | 04:35 |
| jingl3 | to get the thin client to boot. | 04:35 |
| ogra | nope | 04:37 |
| ogra | you should have looked why inetd isnt working | 04:37 |
| ogra | is sshd running ? | 04:37 |
| ogra | thats the core part of edubuntu ltsp | 04:38 |
| jingl3 | sshd is running | 04:38 |
| jingl3 | xinetd is running | 04:39 |
| ogra | xinetd ???? | 04:40 |
| ogra | what did you do with your system ? | 04:40 |
| ogra | there is no xinetd installed in edubuntu ... | 04:40 |
| jingl3 | OK - I reset /etc/default/tftpd-hpa so RUN_DAEMON="no" | 04:40 |
| ogra | how doesxinetd get on your system ? | 04:42 |
| jingl3 | Apart from the Edubuntu install, there weren't any other steps. | 04:43 |
| ogra | we never ever used xinetd anywhere in edubuntu or ubuntu ... are you sure its *x*inetd ? | 04:45 |
| jingl3 | Here's what inetd says about itself: | 04:46 |
| jingl3 | #/etc/init.d/inetd has been diverted by the xinetd package. | 04:46 |
| jingl3 | # The inetd service is provided by xinetd, which means inetd | 04:46 |
| jingl3 | # doesn't need to be run. | 04:46 |
| ogra | strange | 04:47 |
| ogra | that shouldnt be there | 04:48 |
| jingl3 | maybe it came with another package - let's see... | 04:48 |
| ogra | netkit-inetd is the default inetd and the one that a dependency of ltsp-server | 04:48 |
| jingl3 | inetd got shafted on my machine on 8 December. Can't find another package installed on same date. | 04:54 |
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| jingl3 | netkit-inetd is still installed, I'll try reinstalling it. | 04:57 |
| ogra | remove xinetd | 04:57 |
| jingl3 | OK | 04:58 |
| jingl3 | inetd started | 04:59 |
| jingl3 | now trying to reboot thin client... | 04:59 |
| ogra | fine | 04:59 |
| jingl3 | Rebooting... | 04:59 |
| jingl3 | Failure initialising /etc/network/ifstate... but login appears | 05:01 |
| ogra | the errors are normal... breezy didnt see the cosmetical cleanup | 05:01 |
| jingl3 | Tried logging in, but the login screen just reappears again | 05:01 |
| ogra | ok | 05:01 |
| ogra | run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server | 05:02 |
| ogra | then tr again | 05:02 |
| jingl3 | Ah! That looks better! | 05:03 |
| ogra | :) | 05:03 |
| jingl3 | Anything I can add to the wiki about this? | 05:03 |
| ogra | normally the right inetd should be installed, the step with ltsp-update-sshkeys should be there already ... | 05:04 |
| ogra | if ot, add it :) | 05:04 |
| ogra | *not | 05:04 |
| jingl3 | OK. Many thanks for your help! | 05:04 |
| ogra | :) | 05:04 |
| ogra | youre welcome | 05:05 |
| jingl3 | Moving data over from Fedora LTSP now... | 05:05 |
| pc22 | ogra, youve seen yagisan? | 05:08 |
| ogra | not recently, no | 05:09 |
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| mhz | ogra_ibook: I read -motu discussion... I understand your points and support them. It's about the way we do things not what we do. | 05:31 |
| ogra_ibook | yup | 05:33 |
| mhz | and I have been notifed Lucas has added this topic to next CC meeting, good. | 05:35 |
| ogra_ibook | nope | 05:35 |
| ogra_ibook | thats not for the CC meeting | 05:35 |
| ogra_ibook | that should be in a motu meeting | 05:35 |
| zakame | which is when? :) | 05:36 |
| ogra_ibook | make a date, ask the guys | 05:36 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: ooooo | 05:36 |
| ogra_ibook | announce it to the ML | 05:36 |
| mhz | is Motu meeting before CC ? | 05:37 |
| mhz | if so, it would be better then | 05:37 |
| mhz | and in case no concensus , then move it to CC | 05:38 |
| ogra_ibook | i dont see it on the agenda | 05:38 |
| ogra_ibook | and this topic has really nothing to do with the CC | 05:38 |
| ogra_ibook | just make a motu meeting, add it to the agenda, discuss it amd make a vote ... its no magic ... | 05:39 |
| mhz | hehehehe | 05:41 |
| mhz | indeed | 05:41 |
| mhz | well, for what it is worth, I vote for your 'way' :D | 05:41 |
| ogra_ibook | lets see what comes out ... | 05:41 |
| ogra_ibook | i will go with the majority ... even if it dfecides against me ... | 05:42 |
| mhz | hnha | 05:42 |
| mhz | we'll give lots of loving to Mr.Edubuntu! | 05:42 |
| ogra_ibook | heh | 05:42 |
| ogra_ibook | i'm not doing much in MOTU anymore, so i'm not the guy to make decisions for them, i can just tell my opinion | 05:43 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 05:47 |
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| raghu | Hello | 06:00 |
| Lord_Athur | hi raghu | 06:00 |
| raghu | Hi Lord_Athur | 06:01 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 07:37 |
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| Burgwork | ogra, what are the current plans for mediawiki? | 08:50 |
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| ogra | none, its in universe | 08:51 |
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| ogra | there is no chance to provide security fixes for it for 5 years | 08:52 |
| Lord_Athur | hi | 08:52 |
| Burgwork | ogra, upstream is pretty good about security stuff | 08:53 |
| ogra | but they only do new releases | 08:53 |
| ogra | there is no backporting of the fixes to older versions | 08:53 |
| ogra | which would mean pitti or me had to do it | 08:54 |
| Burgwork | really? they just released 1.4.12, which is a security release of the current breezy version | 08:55 |
| ogra | oh, thats new | 08:55 |
| Burgwork | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download' | 08:55 |
| juliux | ogra, at the begining of the next week i will have my three thinclients | 08:55 |
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| Burgwork | scroll down the legacy releases | 08:56 |
| mhz | It just works | 08:56 |
| ogra | theydidnt do that when i packaged it for breezy | 08:56 |
| juliux | ogra, so i can start hardcore testing | 08:56 |
| ogra | yay | 08:56 |
| ogra | hopefully the installer will be in shape then ;) | 08:56 |
| juliux | i only need to buy a vga and ps2 switch | 08:56 |
| juliux | because i only have on tft | 08:56 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 10:10 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 11:23 |
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