[12:05] <Lord_Athur> jajaj
[12:05] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:05] <Lord_Athur> then mhz do i past here the error???????????????????
[12:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no idea how to help you because the only times I have had problems with initrd files is when kernel has got errors
[12:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: nope
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> when I pasted it on ubuntu, someone baned me
[12:06] <mhz> exactly
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> :D
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> hehehe
[12:06] <mhz> there is a 'pastebin' site
[12:06] <Lord_Athur> yes
[12:06] <mhz> I dont recall any now
[12:06] <lucasvo> anyone know what I can do?
[12:07] <Lord_Athur> I used it, but from this moment nobody tries to help me
[12:07] <mhz> but if you use that and paste here only the url of your paste.. that's ok
[12:07] <mhz> noone can ban you for that
[12:07] <lucasvo> I can't see anything strange on tty04
[12:07] <Lord_Athur> lucasvo, i cannot see anything strange there
[12:07] <mhz> lucasvo: I'd love to but i have not installed a thing in months
[12:07] <lucasvo> is it possible that loading a single module takes more than 1h?
[12:08] <mhz> nope
[12:08] <mhz> IMHO, thoug
[12:08] <lucasvo> mhz: how can I manually load a module?
[12:08] <lucasvo> insmod isofs: file not ofund
[12:08] <lucasvo> ah strange, isofs already seems to be loaded
[12:08] <jouni__m> lucasvo modprobe isofs I guess
[12:09] <mhz> lucasvo: modules are loaded by using 'modprobe the_module'
[12:09] <lucasvo> yeah
[12:09] <lucasvo> so it is only the installer
[12:09] <lucasvo> which crashes
[12:09] <lucasvo> :(
[12:09] <mhz> lucasvo: did you try 'hitting the box'  with love?
[12:10] <mhz> (we call that 'hitting' "el golpe tecnico" in Chile)
[12:10] <mhz> :D
[12:10] <Lord_Athur> jajaj
[12:10] <Lord_Athur> iok
[12:10] <mhz> lucasvo: I had similar trouble with a damaged CD 
[12:10] <mhz> ofcourse, I never new it was damaged until then
[12:10] <mhz> :(
[12:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, is there is a edubuntu man, who is the ubuntu & kubuntu sr?
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> lo dije mal
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> xD
[12:12] <lucasvo> hm, is there any way, how to do a manual installation?
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> me va psimo con el ingls
[12:12] <mhz> lucasvo: what do you have in mind?
[12:13] <lucasvo> mhz: not using debconf
[12:14] <lucasvo> or just skip the step which comes after modprobe isofs
[12:14] <jouni__m> lucasvo I usually do expert or server install and then install ubuntu-desktop in your case edubuntu-desktop
[12:14] <mhz> lucasvo: oh, like 'installing from scratch'?
[12:14] <lucasvo> jouni__m: I want a server install
[12:14] <lucasvo> jouni__m: but can I do that without debconf?
[12:14] <mhz> lucasvo: server is safer than any mode AFAIK
[12:15] <lucasvo> I am using server install
[12:15] <mhz> oh
[12:15] <mhz> flight 2 or breezy?
[12:15] <lucasvo> I just wan't an IPtables firewall :D
[12:15] <lucasvo> breezy
[12:16] <mhz> but you can set IpTables from any machine
[12:16] <lucasvo> hm?
[12:16] <jouni__m> ubuntu server install is minimal install without gnome or KDE don't know what edubuntu has
[12:17] <lucasvo> jouni__m: yeah, but still, it crashes after loading the isofs
[12:19] <lucasvo> hm, let's try what happens, when I load isofs before
[12:19] <jouni__m> lucasvo oh no. do you have (k)ubuntu cd?
[12:20] <lucasvo> jouni__m: the problem is, I have no cd drive
[12:20] <lucasvo> waaaa
[12:20] <lucasvo> now it crashes, when it loads ide-cd, at 92%
[12:24] <lucasvo> silly
[12:24] <lucasvo> it crashes at 92% all the time, doesn't depend on which module I load
[12:35] <lucasvo> ogra: can you help me with pxe install?
[12:38] <ogra> just use your ltsp server ;) 
[12:39] <ogra> and provide the installer image instead of the normal ltsp images
[12:39] <lucasvo> ogra: and replace wich files with what?
[12:40] <ogra> the files in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp with the ones from the url i gave you for the netboot installer
[12:40] <lucasvo> ogra: ok thanks
[12:44] <lucasvo> ogra: would it boot wih ltsp?
[12:45] <ogra> why shouldnt it
[12:45] <ogra> but since you wanted to install, i'd use the install image
[12:47] <lucasvo> hm, there is a LAN option, but it doesn't seem to be pxe
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> re
[02:51] <mhz> ogra_ibook: what do you think about this simplicity for CSS rc1 ? http://ubuntu-cl.org/Wiki/Inicio
[02:51] <mhz> (is it too simple?)
[02:58] <kjcole> Hi mhz, (and others)... Are we meeting in 10 hours?  Or is this a week we're off?
[03:05] <kjcole> Oops.  Never mind.  I found it. ("No" for those of you who might also be wondering.  Next meeting on Jan 11.)
[03:07] <crimsun> right, I was pointing to fridge.u.c as listing the next meeting as 8 days away before this coffee shop's wifi connectivity broke. Again.
[03:11] <mhz> kjcole: crimsun:  Topic for #ubuntu-meeting is: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ |  5 Jan 20:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 10 Jan 15:00 UTC: Community Council | 11 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu
[03:12] <kjcole> mhz, So I'm illiterate.  What else is new? ;-)  Thanks.  (I found it in the wiki as well.)
[03:12] <mhz> lol
[03:13] <mhz> kjcole: how's the doc going (me still can't contribute to it)
[03:13] <mhz> I hope you wont tell me "you did not want to contribute, mhz"
[03:13] <mhz> :D
[03:13] <kjcole> mhz, I was just thinking about mentioning that. 
[03:14] <kjcole> mhz, Honestly, I'
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> hi
[03:15] <mhz> kjcole: heheh
[03:15] <kjcole> mhz, Honestly, I'm not certain how to work this as a book:  Although Jeff and I keep saying we welcome contributors, there's also a sense from both of us that the face-to-face meetings can't be beat.  Since the original doc is around 150 printed pages, we're treating it like co-authors still.
[03:16] <kjcole> mhz, we're hoping to pass through it at least once as a two-some, and then, as I understand it, open up the contributing process a bit more.
[03:17] <kjcole> mhz, however, lucasvo has made a bzr branch off of the main branch, and is editing as well.
[03:18] <mhz> kjcole: so can we contribute now?
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> hi!!!
[03:18] <kjcole> mhz, I'm becoming slowly more comfortable with bzr, but am still a bit nervous working with it, and am not certain how to handle conflicts in merges.
[03:18] <mhz> I remember last thing you told me about not being ready to do so (BZR issues)
[03:18] <kjcole> Hi, Lord_Athur
[03:18] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi, what's the problem?
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> :D hi kjcole 
[03:19] <kjcole> mhz, still some bzr problems.
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> I need to mount a squashfs file
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> ogra game information about the squashfs-tools package
[03:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: so? is that why you needed us to say 'hi' so urgently ? 
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> :D
[03:20] <mhz> kjcole: what are your current problems?
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> it was only to see who is avalible to talk :D
[03:20] <kjcole> mhz, but mostly our understanding of bzr, I think.
[03:21] <kjcole> mhz, it's damned slow about downloading a branch for one thing (and not very informative when it does).  It looks like it hangs, but really it's still doing a download.
[03:21] <mhz> ohhh
[03:22] <kjcole> mhz, the main problem in my experiments is that when you have two documents that conflict, it tries to do something intelligent, but I don't know the best way to interpret what it returns.
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: I only tested BZR once, when I tried to start contributing to your doc efforts
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: lol!
[03:23] <mhz> kjcole: and did you feel the same with SVN?
[03:24] <kjcole> mhz, For example, if you have a file named "text" and you edit it in two different branches, then merge, it produces a "text" file with both changes and some markers indicating that the changes overlap.  In addition it creates three other "text.*" files.
[03:24] <mhz> kjcole: hmmm, that sounds weired to me too
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, never used a RCS before.  So I don't know anything about cvs, svn or the original bazaar.  I'm brand new to this.
[03:25] <mhz> kjcole: and of course, i guess you have talked to ogra about it
[03:25] <mhz> kjcole: i get your feelings
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, I've spoken with him somewhat, but he's a bit overworked I think. ;-)
[03:25] <mhz> he's indeed
[03:26] <mhz> he's Mr. Edubuntu
[03:26] <mhz> kjcole: we 're just the ones about to die, saluting :)
[03:26] <kjcole> mhz, Since both you and lucasvo continue expressing a lot of interest in editing, I'm wondering if a small IRC meeting between you, me, jelkner and lucasvo can be arranged, so that we're all making decisions together.
[03:27] <mhz> or, we could use a Moin wiki to edit and it automatically keeps a CVS in the back-end
[03:27] <mhz> :)
[03:27] <mhz> so we can alwasy revert changes
[03:28] <mhz> and edit what we all are doing
[03:28] <mhz> :)
[03:28] <mhz> and even create a huge mess
[03:28] <mhz> but I am for taking advantage of it over messing it up
[03:28] <mhz> so dont worry
[03:28] <mhz> kjcole: I know Moin can generate XML
[03:29] <kjcole> mhz, you and moin remind me about the way some folks feel about vi versus emacs. ;-)  Fanatical.  
[03:29] <mhz> easily and cleanly
[03:29] <mhz> kjcole: of course, that's the idea :)
[03:29] <mhz> but I can prove my point, so that's one big difference in my favour :D, kjcole 
[03:30] <kjcole> mhz, Personally, I don't care which way we go.  However, as far as I know, jelkner's the only one of us who has a book in print.  So, I've been quite willing to follow his lead on this.
[03:30] <mhz> of course, I understand
[03:30] <mhz> but could you gimme the pleasure to give it just one try to show him and you why I insist on this?
[03:31] <mhz> Could you provide me with just a chapter
[03:31] <mhz> my only concern would be I have no idea what to do with an xml file when I get it ;)
[03:31] <kjcole> mhz, I do strongly want to lean towards bzr, over cvs, since there's a lot of energy from Ubuntu in that direction.  However, wiki markup, versus other types of markup, I don't have strong feelings about.
[03:32] <mhz> good point
[03:32] <mhz> I do agree DockBook is the best markup for textas
[03:32] <mhz> -s
[03:32] <mhz> -as
[03:33] <mhz> but if we only needed Headings and bolds and italics and Codelistings, then Moin is my #1 candidate
[03:34] <mhz> but again, I have no clue about XML so I can't say much
[03:34] <kjcole> mhz, The standard is Docbook (XML), you want moin (wiki), jelkner wants lore (twisted HTML), and I don't really care, as long as we settle on one.  Since Jeff and I have been meeting weekly, lore became the winner.
[03:34] <mhz> yup
[03:35] <mhz> so, our only problem is RCS ?
[03:35] <mhz> we solve that and we are ready to go?
[03:35] <mhz> go = rock
[03:35] <kjcole> I don't know Docbook, but am learning a little about XML.  I do know wiki, and HTML.  Lore was pretty simple to learn (I thought).  Not much to it.
[03:37] <mhz> do you edit XML with a front-end GUI or code?
[03:37] <kjcole> mhz, I don't know: Assuming the RCS is fine, if we are all choosing different markups, then it is still a problem: Either we convince you to go with lore, or you convince jelkner to go with moin, or all three of us learn Docbook.
[03:37] <mhz> LOL
[03:38] <kjcole> mhz, lore is really HTML, not XML.  My small experiments in XML have been raw coding, but I did find an editor which tries to help a little:
[03:39] <mhz> kjcole: I can't insist on Moin if I am ignorant on XML, because in the end we gotta export Moin 2 XML (which people who masters XML do very easily).
[03:39] <kjcole> conglomerate is the name of the editor.
[03:40] <mhz> kjcole: ok, but today, on daily basis, when you sit and edit the edubuntu cookbook, do you use a window with buttons for bold, italics, headings, etc? or open Emacs and start editing raw code?
[03:40] <kjcole> mhz, conglomerate doesn't eliminate the need to know XML but it attempts to highlight things correctly and show you where problems occur with validating.
[03:41] <kjcole> mhz, day-to-day, it's emacs.  (jelkner likes vi, I like emacs, but it's still raw for both of us.)
[03:42] <mhz> hmm
[03:42] <mhz> so it's not like you have a window where you select 'heading' and immediately inserts a H2
[03:42] <kjcole> mhz, I find it fairly easy to remember <i>italicize this</i> and <b>boldface this</b> and <u>underline this</u>.  Not a lot of markup to learn.
[03:43] <mhz> hehe
[03:43] <mhz> it was an example
[03:43] <mhz> some stuff is very simple, indeed
[03:43] <mhz> IIRC there was a XML GUI book editor...
[03:44] <kjcole> mhz, nope.  And I find when editing, if I have to take my hands off the keyboard to play with the mouse, it slows me down.  And if there's a keyboard shortcut for <h2> it doesn't help me that much.
[03:46] <crimsun> if anyone's based in the Baltimore/D.C. area, I'll be passing through on the 22nd/23rd of this month if you want to sign keys.
[03:46] <kjcole> mhz, however, with XML in emacs, if you add the right "plugin" or "emacs mode", it almost does what you want:  Something like Control-C, C and then part of a tag will add both the starting and ending tags, and then sometimes offer possible tags to add between.
[03:47] <kjcole> crimsun, I'm in Brain-Washington, DC but without wheels.
[03:47] <kjcole> crimsun, jelkner is also in this area.
[03:48] <crimsun> kjcole: ok
[03:48] <kjcole> crimsun, so are you passing through both Washington and Baltimore?
[03:49] <crimsun> kjcole: yes, but I'll be in Baltimore primarily
[03:49] <mhz> kjcole: sorry, it was Lyx for LaTex
[03:50] <mhz> and the other was kxmleditor (if you use KDE)
[03:50] <kjcole> mhz, I've fooled with LyX too.  (I know only a very tiny part of raw LaTeX. So I use LyX when I want to play with that.)
[03:51] <mhz> (just in case it's KISS enough for me)
[03:51] <kjcole> mhz, but I don't generally need LaTeX at all, so I haven't played with LyX very much.
[03:51] <mhz> yup, hence I said 'sorry'
[03:52] <kjcole> conglomerate is still a little buggy and slow, but it appears to be functional.
[03:52] <kjcole> mhz, slow on large documents at least.  It might behave better on smaller stuff.
[03:54] <kjcole> crimsun, well, if your schedule puts you in DC during dinner time, we could probably work something out. Or, since the 23rd is a Sunday, perhaps lunch.
[03:54] <crimsun> hmm, 22nd?
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, I feel the same way about vi.  Apparently, vi is supposed to have a nice outline plugin, but since I don't know vi, I haven't worked with it either.
[03:55] <kjcole> crimsun, right.  My typo.
[03:55] <mhz> kjcole: I'd prefer Emacs over VI, but thx
[03:55] <crimsun> right, sounds good, will have more concrete plans in a bit.
[03:57] <kjcole> crimsun, ever had Ethiopean cuisine? ;-)
[03:57] <crimsun> nope :-)
[03:58] <mhz> kjcole: any url I can get one of your chapters from?
[03:58] <kjcole> crimsun, then, if you're a moderately adventurous eater, that's what we'll try to do (schedule permitting, of course).
[03:58] <crimsun> kjcole: sounds good
[03:59] <kjcole> mhz, do you have bzr?  if so, "bzr branch http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook" and then just wait a while.
[04:00] <kjcole> (It will create a subdirectory named Cookbook, and populate it with all of the current files.)
[04:00] <mhz> kjcole: okis, i am on it
[04:01] <kjcole> mhz, the behavior we saw recently when doing this between my machine and flint's machine in Vermont was that it would quickly reach revision 5, then look completely dead for about 5-7 minutes, and then continue.
[04:02] <kjcole> mhz, the bzr download would stop a second time, somewhere around revision 11, and then continue with the rest of the revisions very quickly.
[04:03] <mhz> okis
[04:03] <mhz> I wont desperate
[04:03] <mhz> [[04:04] <kjcole> mhz, currently at 27 revisions because we commit fairly often (and your branch becomes 28).
[04:19] <kjcole> mhz, I gotta run.  Adios!
[04:19] <tinsleyc> Jerome, are you here?
[04:21] <tinsleyc> How's mhz tonight?
[04:23] <tinsleyc> Mauricio???
[04:24] <tinsleyc> Must be late...
[04:24] <tinsleyc> Another time.
[04:40] <mhz> re
[11:38] <pc22> hey writer 
[11:38] <pc22> hey Seveas 
[11:38] <pc22> hey alkl
[11:38] <jsgotangco> mmm??
[11:43] <writer> hey pc22
[11:50] <pc22> hey ogra 
[11:50] <pc22> seen yagisan?
[01:08] <bgrah> hello together , i am in a school and i am changing my woody-servers into sarge , later i will use LTSP  - is there a version in edubuntu that works ? -- please give any feedback
[01:20] <apokryphos> bgrah: yes, http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ltsp&searchon=names&subword=1&version=breezy&release=all
[01:28] <highvoltage> hi
[01:28] <highvoltage> edubuntu meeting today?
[01:43] <lucasvo> highvoltage: I can't see anything in the calendar
[01:43] <highvoltage> probably not then
[01:46] <writer> IRC channel #ubuntu-meeting Agenda: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWiki  11.01. 16-17UTC
[01:47] <spacey_ki> highvoltage, because of the holidays IIRC
[01:49] <highvoltage> ok
[02:23] <tinsleyc> Good Morning Jerome
[02:25] <tinsleyc> What is the status of the Edubuntu cookbook and can I help in any way.  I noticed that in checking the wiki, it does not even seem to be on the list.
[02:26] <tinsleyc> And the tuxlab cookbook isn't that relevant since it was based on the RH implementation of LTSP.
[02:31] <highvoltage> hi tinsleyc 
[02:31] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: the tuXlab cookbook is being re-written with Edubuntu 6.04 in mind
[02:32] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: i'm currently re-writing a big part of the technical and software parts, I will put up copies on the wiki ~ at the end of this month
[02:39] <tinsleyc> let me know if there is anything I can do to help.
[02:45] <spacey_ki> where is that bootchart suppose to end up again?
[02:45] <spacey_ki>  /var/log/bootchart?
[02:48] <spacey_ki> GRMBl
[02:51] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: ok, thanks. are you on edubuntu-devel mailint list?
[02:51] <highvoltage> tinsleyc: i'll post about it there when the time comes
[02:54] <tinsleyc> I am going to have to double check on if I am on the devel list.  I was at one time and then the other day, I did recieve a couple of messages from the list so I am not sure.
[02:56] <ogra> :)
[02:56] <highvoltage> /topic :)
[02:57] <highvoltage> ogra: happy new year to you
[02:57] <Petaris> Hello highvoltage
[02:57] <ogra> same to you :)
[02:57] <highvoltage> hi Petaris 
[02:57] <Petaris> Hi ogra
[02:57] <ogra> hey Petaris 
[02:57] <highvoltage> ogra: i installed edubuntu flight 2, and i have a bit of the same problem as Edward has (posted to the list)
[02:58] <highvoltage> something i can type at cd boot time to use local files only?
[02:59] <ogra> just go back, that will drop you to a menu
[02:59] <ogra> there select the next task
[02:59] <highvoltage> yes, that's what i did.
[03:00] <highvoltage> but it doesn't build the multi-seat system, because it insists on getting it on-line
[03:00] <ogra> i currently have no working email , could you answer edward ? 
[03:00] <ogra> oh, forget about multiseat
[03:00] <ogra> sip this one
[03:00] <ogra> *skip
[03:00] <highvoltage> you need connectivity for multiseat?
[03:00] <ogra> no idea
[03:01] <highvoltage> is multiseat ltsp or the 441 kind of thing?
[03:01] <ogra> i'm not aware that anybody ever used or tested multiseat since warty
[03:01] <ogra> its similar to 441
[03:01] <highvoltage> aaah, ok. sorry, i confused it with ltsp.
[03:01] <ogra> but as i said, nobody has the HW to test it, and it will surely get dropped with multiseat inclusion in X
[03:01] <highvoltage> i will reply to edwards post then.
[03:02] <highvoltage> i didn't know it's going to be included in X. that's great.
[03:02] <highvoltage> you have no idea how much it sux not having an internet connection :(
[03:03] <ogra> i have
[03:03] <ogra> mine dropps as well from time to time ..
[03:06] <highvoltage> need to go now, bbl.
[03:06] <Petaris> later highvoltage
[04:07] <spacey_ki> ogra, :)
[04:07] <spacey_ki> got dapper thin client chroot now
[04:08] <spacey_ki> but ldm doesn't want to log in
[04:08] <spacey_ki> i don't think its dapper related, because before the upgrade the same problem occured
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: read_passphrase: can't open /dev/tty: No such device or address^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> debug1: No more authentication methods to try.^M
[04:08] <spacey_ki> does that make sense?
[04:09] <mhz> spacey_ki: on the server, try 'ltsp-update-sshkeys'
[04:09] <mhz> and try again from the client
[04:09] <spacey_ki> mhz, already did that
[04:09] <mhz> oh
[04:09] <spacey_ki> before it stopped at host authentication failed or something
[04:09] <mhz> how many times?
[04:10] <spacey_ki> uh once?
[04:10] <mhz> I tried three times until it worked (but under breezy)
[04:11] <spacey_ki> i'll check again tomorrow
[04:11] <spacey_ki> first some other work to do
[04:11] <spacey_ki> have to leave here now
[04:11] <spacey_ki> head home
[04:11] <mhz> bytes
[04:11] <spacey_ki> ogra, if you read it, feel free to reply, i'm still logged in as herman_ 
[04:11] <spacey_ki> bbl
[04:15] <ogra> herman_, hmm, works here
[04:26] <jingl3> Hi folks, I've installed Edubuntu but having problems logging in to a thin client. Can anyone help?
[04:27] <ogra> jingl3, you followed the install notes from the channel topic ? 
[04:27] <jingl3> User can login on server, but thin client login simply returns another login 
[04:29] <ogra> did you change the ip or name of the system post install ? 
[04:29] <jingl3> Yes, I've been through all the steps. Needed to set the tftpd-hpa to work in daemon mode.
[04:30] <ogra> huh ? 
[04:30] <ogra> why ? 
[04:30] <ogra> its configured by default in edubuntu
[04:30] <ogra> the installer does it, else you installation failed
[04:31] <jingl3> dunno why tftpd-hpa needed to be changed. daemon mode was set to NO.
[04:34] <ogra> thats right
[04:34] <ogra> it should, since it gets started by inetd on demand
[04:35] <jingl3> I needed to change /etc/defaults/tftpd-hpa to  RUN_DAEMON="yes"
[04:35] <jingl3>  to get the thin client to boot.
[04:37] <ogra> nope
[04:37] <ogra> you should have looked why inetd isnt working
[04:37] <ogra> is sshd running ? 
[04:38] <ogra> thats the core part of edubuntu ltsp
[04:38] <jingl3> sshd is running
[04:39] <jingl3> xinetd is running
[04:40] <ogra> xinetd ????
[04:40] <ogra> what did you do with your system ? 
[04:40] <ogra> there is no xinetd installed in edubuntu ...
[04:40] <jingl3> OK - I reset /etc/default/tftpd-hpa so RUN_DAEMON="no"
[04:42] <ogra> how doesxinetd get on your system ? 
[04:43] <jingl3> Apart from the Edubuntu install, there weren't any other steps.
[04:45] <ogra> we never ever used xinetd anywhere in edubuntu or ubuntu ... are you sure its *x*inetd ?
[04:46] <jingl3> Here's what inetd says about itself:
[04:46] <jingl3> #/etc/init.d/inetd has been diverted by the xinetd package.
[04:46] <jingl3> # The inetd service is provided by xinetd, which means inetd
[04:46] <jingl3> # doesn't need to be run.
[04:47] <ogra> strange 
[04:48] <ogra> that shouldnt be there 
[04:48] <jingl3> maybe it came with another package - let's see...
[04:48] <ogra> netkit-inetd is the default inetd and the one that a dependency of ltsp-server
[04:54] <jingl3> inetd got shafted on my machine on 8 December. Can't find another package installed on same date.
[04:57] <jingl3> netkit-inetd is still installed, I'll try reinstalling it.
[04:57] <ogra> remove xinetd
[04:58] <jingl3> OK
[04:59] <jingl3> inetd started
[04:59] <jingl3> now trying to reboot thin client...
[04:59] <ogra> fine
[04:59] <jingl3> Rebooting...
[05:01] <jingl3> Failure initialising /etc/network/ifstate... but login appears
[05:01] <ogra> the errors are normal... breezy didnt see the cosmetical cleanup 
[05:01] <jingl3> Tried logging in, but the login screen just reappears again
[05:01] <ogra> ok
[05:02] <ogra> run sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys on the server
[05:02] <ogra> then tr again
[05:03] <jingl3> Ah! That looks better!
[05:03] <ogra> :)
[05:03] <jingl3> Anything I can add to the wiki about this?
[05:04] <ogra> normally the right inetd should be installed, the step with ltsp-update-sshkeys should be there already ...
[05:04] <ogra> if ot, add it :)
[05:04] <ogra> *not
[05:04] <jingl3> OK. Many thanks for your help!
[05:04] <ogra> :)
[05:05] <ogra> youre welcome
[05:05] <jingl3> Moving data over from Fedora LTSP now...
[05:08] <pc22> ogra, youve seen yagisan?
[05:09] <ogra> not recently, no
[05:31] <mhz> ogra_ibook: I read -motu discussion... I understand your points and support them. It's about the way we do things not what we do.
[05:33] <ogra_ibook> yup
[05:35] <mhz> and I have been notifed Lucas has added this topic to next CC meeting, good.
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> nope
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> thats not for the CC meeting
[05:35] <ogra_ibook> that should be in a motu meeting
[05:36] <zakame> which is when? :)
[05:36] <ogra_ibook> make a date, ask the guys 
[05:36] <mhz> ogra_ibook: ooooo
[05:36] <ogra_ibook> announce it to the ML
[05:37] <mhz> is Motu meeting before CC ?
[05:37] <mhz> if so, it would be better then
[05:38] <mhz> and in case no concensus , then move it to CC
[05:38] <ogra_ibook> i dont see it on the agenda
[05:38] <ogra_ibook> and this topic has really nothing to do with the CC
[05:39] <ogra_ibook> just make a motu meeting, add it to the agenda, discuss it amd make a vote ... its no magic ...
[05:41] <mhz> hehehehe
[05:41] <mhz> indeed
[05:41] <mhz> well, for what it is worth, I vote for your 'way' :D
[05:41] <ogra_ibook> lets see what comes out ...
[05:42] <ogra_ibook> i will go with the majority ... even if it dfecides against me ...
[05:42] <mhz> hnha
[05:42] <mhz> we'll give lots of loving to Mr.Edubuntu!
[05:42] <ogra_ibook> heh
[05:43] <ogra_ibook> i'm not doing much in MOTU anymore, so i'm not the guy to make decisions for them, i can just tell my opinion
[05:47] <Lord_Athur> hi
[06:00] <raghu> Hello
[06:00] <Lord_Athur> hi raghu 
[06:01] <raghu> Hi Lord_Athur
[07:37] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:50] <Burgwork> ogra, what are the current plans for mediawiki?
[08:51] <ogra> none, its in universe
[08:52] <ogra> there is no chance to provide security fixes for it for 5 years
[08:52] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:53] <Burgwork> ogra, upstream is pretty good about security stuff
[08:53] <ogra> but they only do new releases
[08:53] <ogra> there is no backporting of the fixes to older versions
[08:54] <ogra> which would mean pitti or me had to do it
[08:55] <Burgwork> really? they just released 1.4.12, which is a security release of the current breezy version
[08:55] <ogra> oh, thats new
[08:55] <Burgwork> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download'
[08:55] <juliux> ogra, at the begining of the next week i will have my three thinclients
[08:56] <Burgwork> scroll down the legacy releases
[08:56] <mhz> It just works
[08:56] <ogra> theydidnt do that when i packaged it for breezy
[08:56] <juliux> ogra, so i can start hardcore testing
[08:56] <ogra> yay
[08:56] <ogra> hopefully the installer will be in shape then ;)
[08:56] <juliux> i only need to buy a vga and ps2 switch
[08:56] <juliux> because i only have on tft
[10:10] <Lord_Athur> hi
[11:23] <Lord_Athur> hi