[12:05] sebas: I think you can put me down for fosdem [12:05] seth_k|lappy: get my e-mail? [12:06] Riddell, ahhhh [12:06] Riddell: You're going there? [12:06] that's what I said when I say it [12:06] sebas: yep, pretty sure I am [12:06] Kewl :) [12:07] sebas: do we want to do a dot announcement about KDE at fosdem? call for speakers etc? [12:07] Yes, I [12:07] Riddell, so should I change the .orig and then just note it in the changelog? [12:07] 'll write something up later this week. [12:07] seth_k|lappy: yes [12:07] alrighty [12:07] sebas: who else is going? [12:07] I'll notify upstream as well then [12:08] Riddell: Not too much people who confirmed yet, a couple of koffice people, some kde-nl folks. === Riddell finds http://wiki.kde.org/fosdem2006 [12:08] where's that fab boy got to?! [12:08] I'd want to make reservations for the hostel soonish though, therefore it'd be handy using the dot. [12:09] Busy job, so his contribution is becoming a little flaky, as in for matters that need timely attention he's not first choice, put shortly. [12:11] wish I would have known that before [12:11] I spent like 4 hours last night Googling for the answer :P to try to fix it on my own === seth_k|lappy will know for next time === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] sebas: worth reviewing http://kde.quaker.eu.org/index.php?page=fosdem-2005 [12:18] *click* [12:20] +1, useful. [12:20] sebas: anything planned for sat evening? [12:21] Nothing yet. [12:21] that link looks interesting - and there's even a girl speaking in one of the pictures! [12:21] sebas: do we have a stall as well as a room? [12:21] Nothing at all is planned yet, though. but it's on my / adriaan's todo. [12:22] Don't know yet, but we should have. [12:22] I'll get in touch with the FOSDEM people later this week. [12:23] Hobbsee: Scott Wheeler isn't a girl, he just looks like one [12:23] no...not him, i'll go find the picture i saw... === Hobbsee suspects she now looks like a massive idiot [12:25] oh no! it was a joke! === sebas grins. [12:26] when she comes back someone tell her Scott really is a girl, I'm off out for a bit [12:26] first you pretend I don't know what Canonical is [12:26] now you tell her Scott isn't a girl [12:26] gosh [12:26] :P === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:27] [17:26] when she comes back someone tell her Scott really is a girl, I'm off out for a bit [12:27] stupid laptop power... [12:27] haha [12:28] bugger it [12:28] zooming in, it definetly is a guy [12:29] Hobbsee: there was a talk from Hanna stargirl who singlehandedly doubled the number of women in debian [12:29] hehe that'd be right [12:30] we also went on saturday night to a place where they tech women to use computers, we had all these ladies wanting us to tell them how to fix their red hat to run KDE === Hobbsee laughs [12:31] that's just scary - the women clearly need educating! [12:31] this is sucky [12:31] Polyester requires kdecoration.h, so I have to build-dep on kdebase-dev AND kdelibs4-dev [12:31] that's a LOT of files [12:35] Riddell, polyester is about ready to go :) [12:37] sweet, it builds, installs, and works! Now to polish [12:59] Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1374 === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60B67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] hi crimsun [01:35] hi Riddell :) [01:37] seth_k|lappy: looking [01:37] seth_k|lappy: I think speedcrunch has a newer version that needs packaged [01:37] thanks Riddell, there is one newer upload than the one I linked (changed to compat 5) [01:37] just incase you were looking for something :) [01:37] Riddell, cool, I'll do it tonight [01:38] yeah, I never know where to look :) [01:39] seth_k|lappy: are you going to go for membership/motu at some point? [01:39] he's a member already iirc [01:39] I'm a member already [01:39] hence "seth@ubuntu.com" :P [01:39] yes, I'd like to go for MOTU [01:40] because 1) I very much enjoy packaging, and 2) I want KDE / Kubuntu to get better. My interest is really KDE packages only, although I've done others (zsnes, gtkpod) [01:40] but I sense I don't know the ropes enough yet; I have to ask for help too much [01:40] so I package for awhile, and then I'll go for it [01:42] we need more KDE reviewers as well, imo, Riddell. I have a hard time getting KDE packages reviewed [01:43] yes, that's why I want you and raphink for MOTU :) [01:44] crimsun: you can revu stuff can't you? [01:44] :) [01:44] go KDE MOTUs :) [01:44] it seems nalioth is beginnning to package too [01:44] Riddell: I could earlier, but my passwd doesn't seem to want to be recovered [01:45] Riddell: working on that, though [01:45] revu can be like that === raphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] crimsun, that happens when you change uids to a new one that isn't on the keyring that got imported into REVU, in my experience [01:46] I had to ping siretart and have him fix it when it happened to me [01:46] oops [01:47] Plugin uses incompatible Qt library! [01:47] expected build key "i686 Linux g++-4.* full-config", got "x86_64 Linux g++-4.* full-config". [01:47] damn the qt buildkey [01:47] gttt @# connection [01:48] oh good to konw [01:48] konw [01:48] know [01:48] :) [01:48] I think that's what happened with my key when I was added to review actually [01:49] I gave my key, then added a uid, signed with it, and couldn't get my password === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@cpe-065-188-148-141.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:04] Riddell, speedcrunch done. Uploading to REVU [02:06] scratch that, I didn't notice he already used cdbs. I'll split his changes into a patch [02:07] seth_k|lappy: polyester approved [02:07] poke crimsun_ into getting his revu account fixed and he'll be the second approver :) [02:07] alright ;) [02:17] seth_k|lappy: speedcrunch uploaded [02:18] Riddell, bah. I just changed it to use simple-patchsys.mk, since it was an easy patch :P [02:18] hence the "scratch that" [02:18] still want, or shall I scrap? [02:18] seth_k|lappy: which changed? [02:18] changes? [02:19] sorry, didn't see the notice to scrap it [02:19] no problem [02:19] Riddell, there were 2 changed files outside debian/ [02:19] I simply turned them into a .patch, since the package already used cdbs [02:19] probably they can be deleted [02:20] but I believe speedcrunch 0.7 beta will be out soon, save it for then :) [02:20] no, they were changed by Jean-Remy. They're Ubuntu changes to the install paths [02:20] hehe, alright [02:20] you'll want to re-archive this then: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1377 [02:22] Thanks for leaving my e-mail on it. I appreciate getting the katie output, and it's easier to find work I've done to help with my case for MOTU that way === rraphink [n=raphink@bur91-2-82-231-159-240.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] ... 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[08:32] no [08:32] SIS [08:34] :( [08:39] no - I mean Xorg [08:40] oh nvm [08:40] try switching xorg back to vesa and see if it makes a difference [08:40] I've had this problen before and it was my grahics driver [08:41] wait - you're using ubuntu packages with impi? [08:42] or compiling from source? [08:42] no [08:42] ubuntu packages [08:42] impi = ubuntu with changes [08:43] impi's based on slackware is it not ? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:53] Mez, NO :( [08:53] its never been based on slackware [08:53] hmm [08:54] according to a review I was reading it is [08:54] *shrugs* [08:54] it was based on lfs [08:54] then [08:54] we decided to make it based on ubuntu [09:10] ok [09:10] found the problem [09:10] its something to do with Xorg === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:13] Mez, [09:13] Xorg sais === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@dsl-146-70-71.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheK is now known as KaiL === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:09] Anywhere in particular that sells kubuntu shirts? [01:11] Lathiat: kubuntu.de/shop might? [01:11] want one for linux.conf.au :) [01:12] Riddell: geeksoc is back now [01:13] hrm, nope :( [01:16] Riddell: any other ideas? [01:16] Lathiat: get some printed off and I'll get canonical to pay for it [01:16] how many? [01:17] hrm [01:17] mark says he'd pay for some KDE/Kubuntu t-shirts for exhibitors [01:17] are you coming to lca/ [01:18] no, I'd love to visit Edinburgh's twin town but it's a bit of a treck [01:18] ah [01:18] shame [01:18] wonder who is [01:18] i see marks coming again [01:18] mm giving a keynote [01:18] jdub, mark [01:18] officially this time rather than ad hoc :) [01:22] also do we have a stock of kubuntu cds anywhere? [01:23] i saw some once [01:23] not yet [01:23] obviously not shipit [01:23] still on order [01:23] any chance ofv getting any for lca? [01:23] looking unlikely but I'll try my best [01:35] Riddell: hi [01:36] hi freeflying [01:37] Riddell: how about kat ( your opinion) :) [01:38] not ready yet [01:38] the user interface needs redone [01:38] the engine needs work too, although that's happening I think [01:39] Riddell: thx [01:40] Riddell: we need a really useful index/search solution under kubuntu [01:47] I think kat will get there [01:47] the guy knows what's wrong with it and how to fix it === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] Lathiat: woo, welcome to kubuntu-devel mailing list :) [01:58] :) [02:00] be nice to get my key signed and can finally get upload rights :) [02:00] and actually do stuff usefull :) [02:00] also katapult is better than ever, amarok playlist searching, woo :) [02:01] and a calculator [02:01] yeh [02:01] and bookmarks [02:01] it needs url support [02:01] it still needs spellchecking and a dictionary, then I'll be happy [02:01] kubuntupult.berlios.de isnt it? [02:02] yes [02:02] and #katapult [02:02] oh and it needs so you can click on an arrow to get the config menu instead of control-c [02:16] an arrow where? [02:16] you can right click the tray icon? [02:16] i guess a keyboard shortcut would be usefull [02:16] kubuntu has the tray icon turned off by default [02:16] alt-space control-c is the shortcut [02:17] but it's not obvious [02:17] just an arrow in a corner of the box somewhere [02:17] hrm my tray icon is on [02:17] like from kubuntu [02:17] i havent updated for a few days [02:18] cat /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/katapultrc [02:18] SystrayIcon=false [02:18] you may be overriding that [02:18] hrm indeed [02:19] oh and I think it displays a box in the corner when started even by the session manager [02:19] which is annoying to me [02:19] yeh my bluetooth adapter does that too [02:19] and it drives me nuts [02:19] ah, you have bluetooth? [02:19] yeh [02:19] even sillier if i plug in a usb one [02:19] it doesnt say anything [02:19] its like, totally the wrong way around :) [02:19] and kde bluetooth stuff works? [02:20] yeh [02:20] well that's a good start [02:20] i use the obex stuff [02:20] it even gives me a cool error thingy [02:20] when connecting to my mouse faifails [02:20] it goes connect to ::::; failed [02:20] page timeout [02:20] and gives me this cool error sound [02:20] :) [02:20] (and that was initiated from the console) [02:20] obex stuff works, [02:20] the admin stuff doesnt [02:21] like i can't initiate pairing [02:21] ah, hmm [02:22] doesn't that make it useless? [02:22] I've never used bluetooth [02:22] well [02:22] the obex stuff works [02:22] which is good [02:22] i can send and receive files [02:22] right [02:22] the admin thing could do with an add pairing [02:22] tho if you initiate the other way [02:22] it will ask for a pina nd stuff [02:22] has there any package perfrom like zenity except kdialog [02:22] which is ok, but sometimes you nee dto do it the other way [02:23] freeflying: whats wrong with kdialog? [02:23] and thanks for pointing that out [02:23] i was trying to find something like that [02:23] wow the calculator kataputl plugin does sin and sqrt and log and all sorts of cracky stuff [02:23] Lathiat: It can not perform checklist like zenity [02:24] it claims too [02:25] lathiat@qaplaH:~$ kdialog --checklist Test Test1 Test1 0 Test2 Test2 0 [02:25] uses like a list tho [02:25] no tick boxes [02:25] ctrl+select for multiples [02:27] Lathiat: have try the checklist of zenity [02:27] Riddell: have a look here menuofkde35.png [02:28] Riddell: have a look here http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/menuofkde35.png [02:28] Lathiat: have you ever tried the checklist of zenity [02:28] no [02:30] Lathiat: I need the function like zenity's checklist [02:30] freeflying: gimme example? [02:32] Riddell: have a look here http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/zenity.png [02:32] Lathiat: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/zenity.png [02:33] yfff [02:33] no automatix nooo [02:33] ah [02:33] freeflying: so, patch kdialog? :) [02:34] Tm_T: It's may be useful to newbie like me :) [02:34] Lathiat: I want to replace zenity using others [02:35] freeflying: it's also good way to keep you from learning things === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] hi === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-194.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:14] allee: are yous till using qemu and do you networking working correctly? === alleeHol [n=ach@dialin-145-254-251-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:34] Riddell: may I suggest something for the kde configuration in dapper ? [03:35] simplified profile is a very good idea, but I've seen many people complaining about the missing "window" menu between "configuration" and "help" [03:35] most very interesting konq features are in it, like window splitting, profile management, integrated shell etc.... [03:35] hmm, how about making that "simplified profile optional [03:37] to be honnest, if I wanted "simplified to extreme", with "fonctionnality loose", I would have choosen gnome :) [03:37] I like the concept of simplified profile === spstarr_work [n=spstarr@192.219.104.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:37] but actually, it goes by cutting most very important and interesting functions.... [03:37] true [03:38] and no profile menu either? hrrrr [03:38] Tm_T: the profile menu is in the "Window" menu that I'm talking about [03:38] yes [03:38] that menu has essential features [03:38] it should really, in my view, go back [03:39] actually, profile menu is in settings [03:39] and many, like jre, raphink, or many other guyes uin kubuntu-fr, have the same feeling [03:39] anyway, that's just a suggestion [03:40] Tm_T: do you have a profile loader in "settings" ? [03:40] all I get is the option to save the profile [03:40] not to load another one for example [03:41] which would make it easier to come back to the complete config [03:41] Tonio_: I have fully functional konqueror [03:41] load "power management" profile [03:41] Tm_T: you switched back ? [03:41] problem is that it doesn't work for me.... [03:42] Tonio_: I never had restricted version [03:42] people use konqueror profiles? [03:42] I do [03:42] i didn't know there were konq profiles [03:42] all the time [03:42] yes Riddell [03:42] Riddell: I do also [03:42] Riddell: and we use split windows too [03:42] veyr much [03:42] true [03:42] I find myself very bad not having the split window option [03:43] file management -> midnight kommander for ftp [03:43] here is an examle [03:43] to turn konqueror into an ftp/ssh client for ex [03:43] in two clicks [03:43] agree also [03:43] that doesn't mean removing the concept of simplified profile [03:43] just reactivate the "Window" menu [03:44] every really missing options are there [03:44] Tonio_: how about having a View->Profile sub-menu and a View->Splitting sub menu? [03:44] by the way you can split the window with a right click on the status bar, there's always a way with KDE :) [03:45] view-splitting is okay [03:45] view-> profile sounds a bit strange [03:45] hum is it really that confusing have a "Windows" menu ? [03:45] most kde apps have it, like konversation or examle [03:45] Riddell: talking about konqueror, I had compaints about the sound preview being broken in ubuntu [03:46] raphink: you mean when run under gnome? [03:46] Riddell: I mean when run under KDE ... ;) [03:46] it just doesn't work [03:46] well it would crash konqueror before, so at least it doesn't crash anymore [03:47] Tonio_: fancy making up a new konq-kubuntu.rc? one with the entries in the View menu and one with the Window menu back in? [03:47] Riddell: hum, I would personally think of a view->splitting and settings->load profile [03:47] Riddell: would you like me to make a proto ? [03:47] I'd do with pleasure [03:47] Tonio_: cool, please do :) [03:47] okay [03:47] working on that toonight [03:48] copy the bits from /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-oric.rc [03:48] into /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc [03:48] yep [03:48] now that is said, /me knows he can split the window from the status bar... good to know [03:48] I personaly think all options have to be accessible [03:48] but most used, most accessible [03:49] removing features is what I don't like in gnome :) [03:49] Tonio_: ask Linus about his opinion, too ;) [03:49] I'll see if it is possible to make something interesting [03:49] raphink: I wouldn't just tell gnomes devs that they are nazis :) [03:50] hehe === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387EF6A.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:01] Riddell: you there ? [05:01] Riddell: Tonio: I saw you speaking about konqueror config. What do you think about moving "most visited" out of "view" to "documents" or bookmarks. [05:01] little issue and I would like your point of view [05:01] KabelKasper: I'l have a look toonight at the profile for dapper [05:01] What has "mst visited" to do with the view? [05:02] most [05:02] Tonio_: hi [05:02] KabelKasper: good idea [05:02] Riddell: I saw you ported debian klibido package to dapper [05:02] Tonio_: do you agree with KabelKasper? [05:02] Tonio_: hmm, did I? [05:02] good thing, it is more recent than the one I did for breezy [05:02] Riddell: yes ;) [05:02] Riddell: I totally agree [05:03] Riddell: Tonio: Thanks [05:03] This package was debianized by Gonri Le Bouder on [05:03] +Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:00:56 +0100. [05:03] + [05:03] Tonio_: it's a sync from debian [05:03] +Original source can be found at: http://klibido.sf.net [05:03] + [05:03] +Copyrighted by various authors. Licensed under the terms of GNU GPL. [05:03] +See /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL for details. [05:03] Tonio_: could you make the change KabelKasper suggests when you play around tonight? [05:03] oups excuse me [05:04] Jonathan Riddell Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:24:47 +0000 [05:04] yes that's normal... [05:04] I should have post a RFP to avoid that [05:04] the problem is that I had at the same time a package waiting in revu, with the rosetta patch [05:04] how to make the patch going in rosetta in that case ? [05:04] Riddell: I'm noting that on the todo list or the kde profile [05:05] more simply, once a package is in debian, how to make the pot file going to rosetta ? [05:05] that's not a big deal with new packages, but once ubuntu syncs with debian....... [05:05] Tonio_: the top changelog there is probably just me rebuilding it for the new libstdc++ ABI change [05:06] Riddell: exactly [05:06]