[12:05] <Riddell> sebas: I think you can put me down for fosdem
[12:05] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: get my e-mail?
[12:06] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, ahhhh
[12:06] <sebas> Riddell: You're going there?
[12:06] <Riddell> that's what I said when I say it
[12:06] <Riddell> sebas: yep, pretty sure I am
[12:06] <sebas> Kewl :)
[12:07] <Riddell> sebas: do we want to do a dot announcement about KDE at fosdem?  call for speakers etc?
[12:07] <sebas> Yes, I
[12:07] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, so should I change the .orig and then just note it in the changelog?
[12:07] <sebas> 'll write something up later this week.
[12:07] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yes
[12:07] <seth_k|lappy> alrighty
[12:07] <Riddell> sebas: who else is going?
[12:07] <seth_k|lappy> I'll notify upstream as well then
[12:08] <sebas> Riddell: Not too much people who confirmed yet, a couple of koffice people, some kde-nl folks.
[12:08] <Riddell> where's that fab boy got to?!
[12:08] <sebas> I'd want to make reservations for the hostel soonish though, therefore it'd be handy using the dot.
[12:09] <sebas> Busy job, so his contribution is becoming a little flaky, as in for matters that need timely attention he's not first choice, put shortly.
[12:11] <seth_k|lappy> wish I would have known that before 
[12:11] <seth_k|lappy> I spent like 4 hours last night Googling for the answer :P to try to fix it on my own
[12:16] <Riddell> sebas: worth reviewing http://kde.quaker.eu.org/index.php?page=fosdem-2005
[12:18] <sebas> *click*
[12:20] <sebas> +1, useful.
[12:20] <Riddell> sebas: anything planned for sat evening?
[12:21] <sebas> Nothing yet.
[12:21] <Hobbsee> that link looks interesting - and there's even a girl speaking in one of the pictures!
[12:21] <Riddell> sebas: do we have a stall as well as a room?
[12:21] <sebas> Nothing at all is planned yet, though. but it's on my  / adriaan's todo.
[12:22] <sebas> Don't know yet, but we should have.
[12:22] <sebas> I'll get in touch with the FOSDEM people later this week.
[12:23] <Riddell> Hobbsee: Scott Wheeler isn't a girl, he just looks like one
[12:23] <Hobbsee> no...not him, i'll go find the picture i saw...
[12:25] <Riddell> oh no!  it was a joke!
[12:26] <Riddell> when she comes back someone tell her Scott really is a girl, I'm off out for a bit
[12:26] <seth_k|lappy> first you pretend I don't know what Canonical is
[12:26] <seth_k|lappy> now you tell her Scott isn't a girl
[12:26] <seth_k|lappy> gosh
[12:26] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[12:27] <seth_k|lappy> [17:26]  <Riddell> when she comes back someone tell her Scott really is a girl, I'm off out for a bit
[12:27] <Hobbsee> stupid laptop power...
[12:27] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:28] <Hobbsee> bugger it
[12:28] <Hobbsee> zooming in, it definetly is a guy
[12:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: there was a talk from Hanna stargirl who singlehandedly doubled the number of women in debian
[12:29] <Hobbsee> hehe that'd be right
[12:30] <Riddell> we also went on saturday night to a place where they tech women to use computers, we had all these ladies wanting us to tell them how to fix their red hat to run KDE
[12:31] <Hobbsee> that's just scary - the women clearly need educating!
[12:31] <seth_k|lappy> this is sucky
[12:31] <seth_k|lappy> Polyester requires kdecoration.h, so I have to build-dep on kdebase-dev AND kdelibs4-dev
[12:31] <seth_k|lappy> that's a LOT of files
[12:35] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, polyester is about ready to go :)
[12:37] <seth_k|lappy> sweet, it builds, installs, and works! Now to polish
[12:59] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1374
[01:35] <Riddell> hi crimsun 
[01:35] <crimsun> hi Riddell :)
[01:37] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: looking
[01:37] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: I think speedcrunch has a newer version that needs packaged
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> thanks Riddell, there is one newer upload than the one I linked (changed to compat 5)
[01:37] <Riddell> just incase you were looking for something :)
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, cool, I'll do it tonight
[01:38] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, I never know where to look :)
[01:39] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: are you going to go for membership/motu at some point?
[01:39] <crimsun> he's a member already iirc
[01:39] <seth_k|lappy> I'm a member already
[01:39] <seth_k|lappy> hence "seth@ubuntu.com" :P
[01:39] <seth_k|lappy> yes, I'd like to go for MOTU
[01:40] <seth_k|lappy> because 1) I very much enjoy packaging, and 2) I want KDE / Kubuntu to get better. My interest is really KDE packages only, although I've done others (zsnes, gtkpod)
[01:40] <seth_k|lappy> but I sense I don't know the ropes enough yet; I have to ask for help too much
[01:40] <seth_k|lappy> so I package for awhile, and then I'll go for it
[01:42] <seth_k|lappy> we need more KDE reviewers as well, imo, Riddell. I have a hard time getting KDE packages reviewed
[01:43] <Riddell> yes, that's why I want you and raphink for MOTU :)
[01:44] <Riddell> crimsun: you can revu stuff can't you?
[01:44] <raphink> :)
[01:44] <raphink> go KDE MOTUs :)
[01:44] <raphink> it seems nalioth is beginnning to package too
[01:44] <crimsun> Riddell: I could earlier, but my passwd doesn't seem to want to be recovered
[01:45] <crimsun> Riddell: working on that, though
[01:45] <Riddell> revu can be like that
[01:46] <seth_k|lappy> crimsun, that happens when you change uids to a new one that isn't on the keyring that got imported into REVU, in my experience
[01:46] <seth_k|lappy> I had to ping siretart and have him fix it when it happened to me
[01:46] <raphink> oops
[01:47] <Riddell>   Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
[01:47] <Riddell>   expected build key "i686 Linux g++-4.* full-config", got "x86_64 Linux g++-4.* full-config".
[01:47] <Riddell> damn the qt buildkey
[01:47] <raphink> gttt @# connection
[01:48] <raphink> oh good to konw
[01:48] <raphink> konw
[01:48] <raphink> know
[01:48] <raphink> :)
[01:48] <raphink> I think that's what happened with my key when I was added to review actually
[01:49] <raphink> I gave my key, then added a uid, signed with it, and couldn't get my password
[02:04] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, speedcrunch done. Uploading to REVU
[02:06] <seth_k|lappy> scratch that, I didn't notice he already used cdbs. I'll split his changes into a patch
[02:07] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: polyester approved
[02:07] <Riddell> poke crimsun_ into getting his revu account fixed and he'll be the second approver :)
[02:07] <seth_k|lappy> alright ;)
[02:17] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: speedcrunch uploaded
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, bah. I just changed it to use simple-patchsys.mk, since it was an easy patch :P
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> hence the "scratch that"
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> still want, or shall I scrap?
[02:18] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: which changed?
[02:18] <Riddell> changes?
[02:19] <Riddell> sorry, didn't see the notice to scrap it
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> no problem
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, there were 2 changed files outside debian/
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> I simply turned them into a .patch, since the package already used cdbs
[02:19] <Riddell> probably they can be deleted
[02:20] <Riddell> but I believe speedcrunch 0.7 beta will be out soon, save it for then :)
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> no, they were changed by Jean-Remy. They're Ubuntu changes to the install paths
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> hehe, alright
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> you'll want to re-archive this then: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1377
[02:22] <seth_k|lappy> Thanks for leaving my e-mail on it. I appreciate getting the katie output, and it's easier to find work I've done to help with my case for MOTU that way
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[02:39] <Riddell> sealne: geeksoc down?
[07:34] <viviersf> Mez : ping
[07:34] <viviersf> Riddell : ping
[07:49] <viviersf> something WEIRD
[07:49] <viviersf> is going on here
[08:12] <viviersf> :(
[08:20] <sealne> Riddell: yeah, for some unknown reason electricians turned the power off last week, should be fixed when i get into work this morning
[08:21] <viviersf> sealne, he isnt here :/
[08:22] <viviersf> Mez, ello
[08:23] <Mez> viviersf, ello
[08:23] <viviersf> ah you here
[08:23] <viviersf> yay
[08:23] <viviersf> now you can help me
[08:24] <viviersf> before i went on leave
[08:24] <viviersf> impi was working fine with kde 3.5 
[08:24] <viviersf> now when i came back
[08:24] <viviersf> i updated cos ridell said he fixed knetworkconf
[08:24] <viviersf> now
[08:25] <viviersf> kdm is acting all weird
[08:25] <viviersf> not allowing me to type
[08:25] <viviersf> or to log in
[08:32] <Mez> hmm :D using ATI/nvidia drivers?
[08:32] <viviersf> no
[08:32] <viviersf> SIS
[08:34] <viviersf> :(
[08:39] <Mez> no - I mean Xorg
[08:40] <Mez> oh nvm
[08:40] <Mez> try switching xorg back to vesa and see if it makes a difference
[08:40] <Mez> I've had this problen before and it was my grahics driver
[08:41] <Mez> wait - you're using ubuntu packages with impi?
[08:42] <Mez> or compiling from source?
[08:42] <viviersf> no
[08:42] <viviersf> ubuntu packages
[08:42] <viviersf> impi = ubuntu with changes
[08:43] <Mez> impi's based on slackware is it not ?
[08:53] <viviersf> Mez, NO :(
[08:53] <viviersf> its never been based on slackware
[08:53] <Mez> hmm
[08:54] <Mez> according to a review I was reading it is
[08:54] <Mez> *shrugs*
[08:54] <viviersf> it was based on lfs 
[08:54] <viviersf> then
[08:54] <viviersf> we decided to make it based on ubuntu
[09:10] <viviersf> ok
[09:10] <viviersf> found the problem
[09:10] <viviersf> its something to do with Xorg
[09:13] <viviersf> Mez, 
[09:13] <viviersf> Xorg sais
[01:09] <Lathiat> Anywhere in particular that sells kubuntu shirts?
[01:11] <Riddell> Lathiat: kubuntu.de/shop might?
[01:11] <Lathiat> want one for linux.conf.au :)
[01:12] <sealne> Riddell: geeksoc is back now
[01:13] <Lathiat> hrm, nope :(
[01:16] <Lathiat> Riddell: any other ideas?
[01:16] <Riddell> Lathiat: get some printed off and I'll get canonical to pay for it
[01:16] <Lathiat> how many?
[01:17] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:17] <Riddell> mark says he'd pay for some KDE/Kubuntu t-shirts for exhibitors
[01:17] <Lathiat> are you coming to lca/
[01:18] <Riddell> no, I'd love to visit Edinburgh's twin town but it's a bit of a treck
[01:18] <Lathiat> ah
[01:18] <Lathiat> shame
[01:18] <Lathiat> wonder who is
[01:18] <Lathiat> i see marks coming again
[01:18] <Lathiat> mm giving a keynote
[01:18] <Riddell> jdub, mark
[01:18] <Lathiat> officially this time rather than ad hoc :)
[01:22] <Lathiat> also do we have a stock of kubuntu cds anywhere?
[01:23] <Lathiat> i saw some once
[01:23] <Riddell> not yet
[01:23] <Lathiat> obviously not shipit
[01:23] <Riddell> still on order
[01:23] <Lathiat> any chance ofv getting any for lca?
[01:23] <Riddell> looking unlikely but I'll try my best
[01:35] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[01:36] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[01:37] <freeflying> Riddell: how about kat ( your opinion)  :)
[01:38] <Riddell> not ready yet
[01:38] <Riddell> the user interface needs redone
[01:38] <Riddell> the engine needs work too, although that's happening I think
[01:39] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[01:40] <freeflying> Riddell: we need a really useful index/search solution under kubuntu
[01:47] <Riddell> I think kat will get there
[01:47] <Riddell> the guy knows what's wrong with it and how to fix it
[01:58] <Riddell> Lathiat: woo, welcome to kubuntu-devel mailing list :)
[01:58] <Lathiat> :)
[02:00] <Lathiat> be nice to get my key signed and can finally get upload rights :)
[02:00] <Lathiat> and actually do stuff usefull :)
[02:00] <Lathiat> also katapult is better than ever, amarok playlist searching, woo :)
[02:01] <Riddell> and a calculator
[02:01] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:01] <Lathiat> and bookmarks
[02:01] <Lathiat> it needs url support
[02:01] <Riddell> it still needs spellchecking and a dictionary, then I'll be happy
[02:01] <Lathiat> kubuntupult.berlios.de isnt it?
[02:02] <Riddell> yes
[02:02] <Riddell> and #katapult
[02:02] <Riddell> oh and it needs so you can click on an arrow to get the config menu instead of control-c
[02:16] <Lathiat> an arrow where?
[02:16] <Lathiat> you can right click the tray icon?
[02:16] <Lathiat> i guess a keyboard shortcut would be usefull
[02:16] <Riddell> kubuntu has the tray icon turned off by default
[02:16] <Riddell> alt-space control-c is the shortcut
[02:17] <Riddell> but it's not obvious
[02:17] <Riddell> just an arrow in a corner of the box somewhere
[02:17] <Lathiat> hrm my tray icon is on
[02:17] <Lathiat> like from kubuntu
[02:17] <Lathiat> i havent updated for a few days
[02:18] <Riddell> cat /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/config/katapultrc
[02:18] <Riddell> SystrayIcon=false
[02:18] <Riddell> you may be overriding that
[02:18] <Lathiat> hrm indeed
[02:19] <Riddell> oh and I think it displays a box in the corner when started even by the session manager
[02:19] <Riddell> which is annoying to me
[02:19] <Lathiat> yeh my bluetooth adapter does that too
[02:19] <Lathiat> and it drives me nuts
[02:19] <Riddell> ah, you have bluetooth?
[02:19] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:19] <Lathiat> even sillier if i plug in a usb one
[02:19] <Lathiat> it doesnt say anything
[02:19] <Lathiat> its like, totally the wrong way around :)
[02:19] <Riddell> and kde bluetooth stuff works?
[02:20] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:20] <Riddell> well that's a good start
[02:20] <Lathiat> i use the obex stuff
[02:20] <Lathiat> it even gives me a cool error thingy
[02:20] <Lathiat> when connecting to my mouse faifails
[02:20] <Lathiat> it goes connect to ::::; failed
[02:20] <Lathiat> page timeout
[02:20] <Lathiat> and gives me this cool error sound
[02:20] <Lathiat> :)
[02:20] <Lathiat> (and that was initiated from the console)
[02:20] <Lathiat> obex stuff works,
[02:20] <Lathiat> the admin stuff doesnt
[02:21] <Lathiat> like i can't initiate pairing
[02:21] <Riddell> ah, hmm
[02:22] <Riddell> doesn't that make it useless?
[02:22] <Riddell> I've never used bluetooth
[02:22] <Lathiat> well
[02:22] <Lathiat> the obex stuff works
[02:22] <Lathiat> which is good
[02:22] <Lathiat> i can send and receive files
[02:22] <Riddell> right
[02:22] <Lathiat> the admin thing could do with an add pairing
[02:22] <Lathiat> tho if you initiate the other way
[02:22] <Lathiat> it will ask for a pina nd stuff
[02:22] <freeflying> has there any package perfrom like zenity except kdialog
[02:22] <Lathiat> which is ok, but sometimes you nee dto do it the other way
[02:23] <Lathiat> freeflying: whats wrong with kdialog?
[02:23] <Lathiat> and thanks for pointing that out
[02:23] <Lathiat> i was trying to find something like that
[02:23] <Lathiat> wow the calculator kataputl plugin does sin and sqrt and log and all sorts of cracky stuff
[02:23] <freeflying> Lathiat: It can not perform checklist like zenity
[02:24] <Lathiat> it claims too
[02:25] <Lathiat> lathiat@qaplaH:~$ kdialog --checklist Test Test1 Test1 0 Test2 Test2 0
[02:25] <Lathiat> uses like a list tho
[02:25] <Lathiat> no tick boxes
[02:25] <Lathiat> ctrl+select for multiples
[02:27] <freeflying> Lathiat: have try the checklist of zenity 
[02:27] <freeflying> Riddell: have a look here menuofkde35.png
[02:28] <freeflying> Riddell: have a look here http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/menuofkde35.png
[02:28] <freeflying> Lathiat: have you ever  tried the checklist of zenity 
[02:28] <Lathiat> no
[02:30] <freeflying> Lathiat: I need the function like zenity's checklist 
[02:30] <Lathiat> freeflying: gimme example?
[02:32] <freeflying> Riddell: have a look here http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/zenity.png
[02:32] <freeflying> Lathiat:  http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/zenity.png
[02:33] <Tm_T> yfff
[02:33] <Tm_T> no automatix nooo
[02:33] <Lathiat> ah
[02:33] <Lathiat> freeflying: so, patch kdialog? :)
[02:34] <freeflying> Tm_T: It's may be useful to newbie like me  :)
[02:34] <freeflying> Lathiat: I want to replace zenity using others
[02:35] <Tm_T> freeflying: it's also good way to keep you from learning things
[02:58] <Tonio_> hi
[03:14] <jjesse> allee: are yous till using qemu and do you networking working correctly?
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I suggest something for the kde configuration in dapper ?
[03:35] <Tonio_> simplified profile is a very good idea, but I've seen many people complaining about the missing "window" menu between "configuration" and "help"
[03:35] <Tonio_> most very interesting konq features are in it, like window splitting, profile management, integrated shell etc....
[03:35] <Tm_T> hmm, how about making that "simplified profile optional
[03:37] <Tonio_> to be honnest, if I wanted "simplified to extreme", with "fonctionnality loose", I would have choosen gnome :)
[03:37] <Tonio_> I like the concept of simplified profile
[03:37] <Tonio_> but actually, it goes by cutting most very important and interesting functions....
[03:37] <Tm_T> true
[03:38] <Tm_T> and no profile menu either? hrrrr
[03:38] <Tonio_> Tm_T: the profile menu is in the "Window" menu that I'm talking about
[03:38] <Tm_T> yes
[03:38] <Tonio_> that menu has essential features
[03:38] <Tonio_> it should really, in my view, go back
[03:39] <Tm_T> actually, profile menu is in settings
[03:39] <Tonio_> and many, like jre, raphink, or many other guyes uin kubuntu-fr, have the same feeling
[03:39] <Tonio_> anyway, that's just a suggestion
[03:40] <Tonio_> Tm_T: do you have a profile loader in "settings" ?
[03:40] <Tonio_> all I get is the option to save the profile
[03:40] <Tonio_> not to load another one for example
[03:41] <Tonio_> which would make it easier to come back to the complete config
[03:41] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I have fully functional konqueror
[03:41] <Tonio_> load "power management" profile
[03:41] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you switched back ?
[03:41] <Tonio_> problem is that it doesn't work for me....
[03:42] <Tm_T> Tonio_: I never had restricted version
[03:42] <Riddell> people use konqueror profiles?
[03:42] <Tm_T> I do
[03:42] <jjesse> i didn't know there were konq profiles
[03:42] <Tm_T> all the time
[03:42] <raphink> yes Riddell 
[03:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: I do also
[03:42] <raphink> Riddell: and we use split windows too
[03:42] <raphink> veyr much
[03:42] <Tm_T> true
[03:42] <raphink> I find myself very bad not having the split window option
[03:43] <Tonio_> file management -> midnight kommander for ftp
[03:43] <Tonio_> here is an examle
[03:43] <raphink> to turn konqueror into an ftp/ssh client for ex
[03:43] <raphink> in two clicks
[03:43] <Tonio_> agree also
[03:43] <Tonio_> that doesn't mean removing the concept of simplified profile
[03:43] <Tonio_> just reactivate the "Window" menu
[03:44] <Tonio_> every really missing options are there
[03:44] <Riddell> Tonio_: how about having a View->Profile  sub-menu  and a View->Splitting sub menu?
[03:44] <Riddell> by the way you can split the window with a right click on the status bar, there's always a way with KDE :)
[03:45] <Tonio_> view-splitting is okay
[03:45] <Tonio_> view-> profile sounds a bit strange
[03:45] <Tonio_> hum is it really that confusing have a "Windows" menu ?
[03:45] <Tonio_> most kde apps have it, like konversation or examle
[03:45] <raphink> Riddell: talking about konqueror, I had compaints about the sound preview being broken in ubuntu
[03:46] <Riddell> raphink: you mean when run under gnome?
[03:46] <raphink> Riddell: I mean when run under KDE ... ;)
[03:46] <raphink> it just doesn't work
[03:46] <raphink> well it would crash konqueror before, so at least it doesn't crash anymore
[03:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: fancy making up a new konq-kubuntu.rc?  one with the entries in the View menu and one with the Window menu back in?
[03:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I would personally think of a view->splitting and settings->load profile
[03:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you like me to make a proto ?
[03:47] <Tonio_> I'd do with pleasure
[03:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: cool, please do :)
[03:47] <Tonio_> okay
[03:47] <Tonio_> working on that toonight
[03:48] <Riddell> copy the bits from /usr/share/apps/konqueror/konqueror-oric.rc
[03:48] <Riddell> into /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/konq-kubuntu.rc
[03:48] <Tonio_> yep
[03:48] <raphink> now that is said, /me knows he can split the window from the status bar... good to know
[03:48] <Tonio_> I personaly think all options have to be accessible
[03:48] <Tonio_> but most used, most accessible
[03:49] <Tonio_> removing features is what I don't like in gnome :)
[03:49] <raphink> Tonio_: ask Linus about his opinion, too ;)
[03:49] <Tonio_> I'll see if it is possible to make something interesting
[03:49] <Tonio_> raphink: I wouldn't just tell gnomes devs that they are nazis :)
[03:50] <raphink> hehe
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: you there ?
[05:01] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Tonio: I saw you speaking about konqueror config. What do you think about moving "most visited" out of "view" to "documents" or bookmarks.
[05:01] <Tonio_> little issue and I would like your point of view
[05:01] <Tonio_> KabelKasper: I'l have a look toonight at the profile for dapper
[05:01] <KabelKasper> What has "mst visited" to do with the view?
[05:02] <KabelKasper> most
[05:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[05:02] <Riddell> KabelKasper: good idea
[05:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw you ported debian klibido package to dapper
[05:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: do you agree with KabelKasper?
[05:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, did I?
[05:02] <Tonio_> good thing, it is more recent than the one I did for breezy
[05:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes ;)
[05:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I totally agree
[05:03] <KabelKasper> Riddell: Tonio: Thanks
[05:03] <Tonio_> This package was debianized by Gonri Le Bouder on
[05:03] <Tonio_> +Tue, 15 Mar 2005 15:00:56 +0100.
[05:03] <Tonio_> +
[05:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's a sync from debian
[05:03] <Tonio_> +Original source can be found at: http://klibido.sf.net 
[05:03] <Tonio_> +
[05:03] <Tonio_> +Copyrighted by various authors. Licensed under the terms of GNU GPL.
[05:03] <Tonio_> +See /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL for details.
[05:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: could you make the change KabelKasper suggests when you play around tonight?
[05:03] <Tonio_> oups excuse me
[05:04] <Tonio_> Jonathan Riddell <jriddell@ubuntu.com>  Sat, 17 Dec 2005 16:24:47 +0000
[05:04] <Tonio_> yes that's normal...
[05:04] <Tonio_> I should have post a RFP to avoid that
[05:04] <Tonio_> the problem is that I had at the same time a package waiting in revu, with the rosetta patch
[05:04] <Tonio_> how to make the patch going in rosetta in that case ?
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm noting that on the todo list or the kde profile
[05:05] <Tonio_> more simply, once a package is in debian, how to make the pot file going to rosetta ?
[05:05] <Tonio_> that's not a big deal with new packages, but once ubuntu syncs with debian.......
[05:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: the top changelog there is probably just me rebuilding it for the new libstdc++ ABI change
[05:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: exactly
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: but the version number uses build1 not ubuntu1 so it'll still be auto-synced from debian
[05:06] <KabelKasper> Tonio_: I think "Documents" is best, better than "Bookmarks" for that.
[05:06] <Tonio_> KabelKasper: agree
[05:06] <Tonio_> so how to make the pot file exctraction with debian package ?
[05:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: if we want .pot generation that needs the kdepot patch and possibly changes to debian/rules, so it'll have to be synced to debian manually
[05:07] <Riddell> which is fine
[05:07] <Tonio_> so taking the debian package, patching and submitting a 1ubuntu2 package ?
[05:08] <Tonio_> I personally don't mind that my packages are overwrittent by debian ones
[05:08] <Riddell> 1ubuntu1
[05:08] <Tonio_> the only important thing is that applications are on the repos....
[05:08] <Riddell> yep
[05:08] <Tonio_> then who did the job isn't important ;)
[06:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: pong
[06:23] <jpatrick> hi Mez
[06:27] <Riddell> jpatrick: ping?
[06:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: did you upload my kmymoney2?
[06:27] <jpatrick> cos I made some changes
[06:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: I did, it was waiting on bulidds to give back last I checked
[06:28] <jpatrick> I just changed -0ubuntu1 to -1ubuntu1
[06:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: rationale?
[06:29] <jpatrick> raphink said I should at REVU
[06:30] <raphink> did I?
[06:30] <jpatrick> I believe it's "This is not a new package in Ubuntu."
[06:30] <jpatrick> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1382
[06:30] <raphink> This is not a new package in Ubuntu. Version 0.8.1 is already present in both Debian and Ubuntu. Therefore I think it would be better to file in Debian to update the package to 0.8.2 and get the update in Debian first.
[06:31] <raphink> this is wha tI said
[06:31] <raphink> that doesn't mean `number your package -1ubuntu1' at all
[06:31] <Riddell> it's waiting on libaqbanking which can't install libchipcard2-dev
[06:31] <Riddell> libchipcard2-dev: Depends: libchipcard2-0c2 (= 1.9.15.99+1.9.16alpha-1) but it is not going to be installed
[06:31] <Riddell> but I can install that fine
[06:31] <jpatrick> raphink: okay, misunderstanding
[06:32] <raphink> jpatrick: do you understand what I meant now?
[06:32] <jpatrick> no
[06:33] <raphink> I mean that kmymoney2 is already in both Debian and Ubuntu
[06:33] <jpatrick> And the new was in Ubuntu
[06:33] <raphink> and 0.8.1 is the Debian version
[06:33] <raphink> therefore it might be nice to have it updated in Debian
[06:33] <raphink> to 0.8.2-1
[06:33] <raphink> so we can merge it to 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 later
[06:33] <raphink> merely a suggestion though ;)
[06:34] <jpatrick> okay
[06:34] <raphink> but renaming your package to 0.8.2-1ubuntu1 without using 0.8.2-1, which doesn't exist, is erratic
[06:34] <raphink> ;)
[06:35] <Riddell> of course it we waited on debian for everything there wouldn't be much point in kubuntu/ubuntu :)
[06:35] <raphink> sure Riddell that's what I said it was merely a suggestion
[06:35] <raphink> ;)
[06:36] <Riddell> hmm, I need to rebuild libchipcard
[06:40] <jpatrick> Riddell: what should I tell \sh?
[06:40] <Riddell> jpatrick: about what?
[06:40] <jpatrick> he was working on the merge
[06:40] <Riddell> for which?
[06:40] <jpatrick> kmymoney2
[06:41] <Riddell> tell him he's welcome to fix this libchipcard thing
[06:42] <jpatrick> right - i think that was old info anyway (according to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kmymoney2/+bug/4708)
[06:46] <jpatrick> supper...
[06:47] <Riddell> blah, libchipcard doesn't build against the new libsysfs
[07:16] <martamius> hi all
[07:19] <Riddell> hi martamius 
[07:56] <jpatrick> raphink: you there?
[07:56] <raphink> yep
[07:56] <jpatrick> kcontrol-kdmtheme should be ready now: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1380
[07:58] <jpatrick> err short description :)
[07:59] <raphink> I'd be happy to avocate it if I was a MOTU
[07:59] <jpatrick> raphink: I would like to be one too
[07:59] <raphink> are you a member yet jpatrick ?
[08:00] <jpatrick> I'm not going to be able to go to the next Community Council meeting
[08:00] <raphink> aw :(
[08:00] <raphink> why?
[08:00] <jpatrick> It's at 4 over here - which is when I'm at school
[08:01] <raphink> at 4 ?
[08:01] <raphink> where are you ?
[08:01] <raphink> oh in the US I guess :s
[08:01] <jpatrick> Girona, Spain
[08:01] <raphink> well then it's not at 4
[08:01] <raphink> it's at 21:00
[08:01] <jpatrick> what?
[08:01] <raphink> ooh
[08:01] <raphink> it was moved
[08:02] <raphink> it was planned for 20 UTC yesterday
[08:02] <jpatrick> Barcelona  Tue 4:00 PM
[08:02] <raphink> :s
[08:02] <raphink> yeah yeah 
[08:02] <raphink> but yesterday it said it was planned at 20:00 UTC
[08:02] <raphink> it changed today
[08:02] <raphink> good thing you told me, though
[08:02] <jpatrick> I can go if they accept 1 and a half hour later entries
[08:03] <raphink> hmm
[08:03] <raphink> one and a half might be much
[08:03] <raphink> but one hour might be ok
[08:03] <jpatrick> I thought so
[08:03] <raphink> if it's a long CC
[08:03] <jpatrick> maybe next time
[08:03] <raphink> they won't begin to talk about new membership before 1 hour or so
[08:03] <raphink> so if you put yourself in the end of the list and we know you're gonna be late
[08:03] <raphink> maybe that can be done
[08:03] <raphink> you can say you're not sure to be able to come
[08:03] <raphink> so if you can come it's good
[08:04] <raphink> if you can't it'll be for next time
[08:04] <jpatrick> That should do it
[08:05] <jpatrick> oh wait I messed up the list
[08:05] <jpatrick> there
[08:06] <jpatrick> if only it was on a weekend
[08:07] <raphink> :s
[08:20] <wambaugh> does kubuntu have a seperate mailing list from the ubuntu ailing list?
[08:20] <wambaugh> mailing*
[08:26] <wambaugh> I aready subscribe to the ubuntu-devel mailing list, but if there's a kubuntu-devel mailing list, i'd like to join
[08:27] <jpatrick> wambaugh: there is one
[08:28] <wambaugh> jpatrick: great. how do i subscribe?
[08:30] <jpatrick> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[08:31] <wambaugh> thanks
[08:32] <jpatrick> are you on the team at LaunchPad?
[08:33] <jpatrick> Mez: do you still run ubuntu-l10n-en-gb ?
[08:34] <Mez> yup
[08:34] <wambaugh> i subscribed to the team, awaiting approval.
[08:34] <jpatrick> a right cos I press "Join the team a month ago"
[08:36] <Mez> hmm
[08:36] <Mez> well you shoulda contacted me
[08:36] <Mez> I thought it was just a random trying to join teams
[08:36] <jpatrick> I thought it start an automatic email...
[08:36] <Mez> it does
[08:36] <jpatrick> wambaugh: wait till Riddell gets back
[08:37] <Mez> but - you shoulda spoeken to me first
[08:37] <wambaugh> yeah, i will.
[08:37] <Mez> erm -I cant appprove you at the moment
[08:37] <Mez> lol - theres a bug in launchpad
[08:37] <wambaugh> lol
[08:37] <jpatrick> ouch
[08:37] <wambaugh> Riddell asked me to fix systemsettings yesterday, so I guess I should be on the team
[08:38] <jpatrick> Mez: sorry about not talking first
[08:39] <Mez> jpatrick, if I'd known you were interested it wouldnt have been a problem 
[08:39] <Mez> but i thought you were just a random
[08:39] <jpatrick> okay
[08:41] <jpatrick> hmm: "Suggestions are temporarily disabled."
[08:53] <jpatrick> hey OculusAquilae :)
[08:54] <OculusAquilae> hi jpatrick 
[08:55] <jpatrick> happy new year
[09:02] <OculusAquilae> happy new year jpatrick 
[09:02] <jpatrick> better late than never :)
[09:02] <OculusAquilae> :)
[09:03] <OculusAquilae> sorry, I'm just back from holiday
[09:22] <jpatrick> hey allee
[09:37] <alleeHol> jpatrick: hello
[09:38] <jpatrick> how's it going?
[09:38] <allee> jpatrick: relibtoolization drives me mad currently.  Otherwise I'm fine ;)
[09:39] <jpatrick> well having a few girl problems here. Otherwise I'm fine
[09:40] <allee> jpatrick: few problems with _a_ girl or a problem with _few_ girls
[09:40] <jpatrick> _a_ girl
[09:40] <allee> jpatrick: :)
[09:40] <jpatrick> oppss typo
[09:40] <allee> jpatrick: get used to it.  There no sweet without bitterness from time to time
[09:41] <jpatrick> I suppose
[09:47] <jpatrick> night everyone
[09:56] <kozz> do someone know if there is any project to make a qt gui for network-manager, and if where?
[10:45] <Riddell> kozz: see dot.kde.org
[10:45] <Riddell> kozz: but more specifically suse are making a kde frontend to network manager
[10:45] <Riddell> I haven't got it to work yet but then I haven't got network manager to work
[10:48] <wambaugh> riddell: yesterday you asked me to fix systemsettings (my nick was martamius then) im updating to dapper as we speak, so if all goes well i'll start looking at the code today
[10:48] <Riddell> wambaugh: rocking
[10:49] <Riddell> wambaugh: getting the code form svn is probably the best idea
[10:49] <Riddell> from
[10:49] <wambaugh> alright
[10:49] <Riddell> and probably double click issues would be a nice beastie to squish first, whatever annoys you most :)
[10:50] <wambaugh> ok. I will work on that first.
[10:50] <wambaugh> hey, you're from scotland huh?
[10:51] <wambaugh> must be a nice place
[10:52] <Riddell> certainly is
[10:52] <wambaugh> im from california
[10:53] <Riddell> that's nice too, where abouts?
[10:53] <wambaugh> btw, is it possible to join the devel team?
[10:53] <Riddell> well, you're here, so you're on it :)
[10:53] <wambaugh> northern, near sacramento. (you know, the place that went under water last week)
[10:54] <wambaugh> ok, well i put a join request in on launchpad
[10:54] <Riddell> don't know it, I've been to san francisco, yosamitee, santa cruz, santa barbara and disney land.  all the tourist spots :)
[10:54] <wambaugh> right.
[10:54] <wambaugh> i'm east of san francisco
[10:55] <Riddell> ok, you should be on the launchpad team now
[10:55] <wambaugh> hmmm..... cupsys-driver-gimpprint doesn't install...
[10:57] <wambaugh> awesome
[10:58] <wambaugh> looks like the cupsys-driver-gimpprint package is broken today
[11:00] <Riddell> wambaugh: I had that too, I've reported it
[11:00] <wambaugh> k
[11:00] <Riddell> but since KDE doesn't work with cups 1.2 you're not missing much :)
[11:00] <wambaugh> alright
[11:00] <wambaugh> well... time for the big re-boot (fingers crossed)
[11:09] <seth_k|lappy> got an e-mail back from the kFlickr guy, Riddell... he'll make sure to remove CVS and use XDG menus for the next release :)
[11:13] <wambaugh> alright. running dapper :)
[11:13] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: wooga
[11:14] <Riddell> wambaugh: awooga
[11:14] <wambaugh> lol
[11:53] <allee> http://www.digikam.org/?q=node/52  one more happy user. a thx to the kubuntu team ;)
[11:53] <Riddell> woo :)
[11:54] <Riddell> apart from the "the last days installing" bit, hopefully it doesn't take most people /that/ long
[11:55] <Tm_T> Riddell: power users spend more time than regular users
[11:56] <allee> Riddell: KDE developers are not happy with KDE as a pkg.  they need trunk stable etc ;)
[11:56] <kozz> Riddell: you mean solid, but thats for KDE 4, and thats not _now_ :)
[11:57] <kozz> but well, network-manager with gtk works for now
[11:58] <wambaugh> will we get kubuntu shipit cd's for dapper?
[12:01] <allee> Riddell: above URL got an text update for you
[12:03] <Riddell> kozz: does it, what do you have to do to get it working?