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| Kyral | lol | 12:05 |
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| Kyral | We all do our parts :D | 12:05 |
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| Burgwork | Kyral, it is your wiki as well as mine | 12:53 |
| Kyral | ah | 12:53 |
| Burgwork | sorry, was on the phone at work here | 12:53 |
| Kyral | but you are DocTeam god or something along those lines | 12:53 |
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| Kyral | hey LJ(again ;P) | 01:30 |
| LaserJock | hi Kyral, what are you doing here? | 01:33 |
| Kyral | I'm technically signed up for the Install Guide :D | 01:33 |
| Kyral | but since the new installer doesn't exist yet... | 01:33 |
| LaserJock | ahh | 01:34 |
| Kyral | So I'm doing whatever needs to be helped with | 01:35 |
| Kyral | Was renovating the Emacs wikipage...then my computer crashed before I could save it | 01:35 |
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| Kyral | So thats on the docket for tomorrow | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | well lucas has gone wild on the MOTU wiki pages | 01:36 |
| LaserJock | hopefully that works out | 01:37 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:37 |
| Kyral | Yah I was rummaging in CategoryCleanup | 01:40 |
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| Kyral | saw the pathetic excuse of a page for Emacs | 01:46 |
| Kyral | and couldn't let the injustice slip :D | 01:46 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: going to do a vim page next ;-) | 01:47 |
| Kyral | hell no | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | maybe I would have to do that | 01:48 |
| nickrud | a vim page for writing doc book would be gratefully read :) | 01:49 |
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| LaserJock | nickrud: there is a little bit of a vim docbook page but it doesn't have much | 01:51 |
| jsgotangco | does anyone of you guys use emacs planner-el? | 01:56 |
| Kyral | nope | 01:56 |
| nickrud | LaserJock, I've read that one, and it didn't help much, either. Getting over that docbook hurdle is a bitch. | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | nickrud: can you be a little more specific? What hurdles are you finding? | 02:12 |
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| nickrud | it's mostly the mechanics of formatting; actually, a quality guide to using nmxl in emacs (written from the emacs newbie perspective) would be nice | 02:27 |
| nickrud | maybe next year I'll be in a position to give some useful feedback on that | 02:27 |
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| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2 | 04:19 |
| Burgundavia | created a new page to start writing the next version | 04:19 |
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| Burgundavia | bon soir, robitaille | 04:50 |
| robitaille | Hi Burgundavia | 04:50 |
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| Madpilot | robitaille: evidently the CCAgenda page had a mistake in the text, not in the link like I assumed... :P | 06:04 |
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| mdke | morning all | 10:31 |
| Madpilot | hi mdke | 10:31 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 10:33 |
| Madpilot | so I put my name down for membership @ the next CC meeting - hopefully some of the DocTeam can make it? | 10:34 |
| mdke | great news | 10:35 |
| mdke | i can't make it but I'll leave a msg with Kamion as I usually do :) | 10:35 |
| mdke | bshumate, you are a GOD | 10:36 |
| mdke | Madpilot, there will be absolutely no problem with your membership, I'm certain | 10:36 |
| Madpilot | mdke: thanks! | 10:37 |
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| jsgotangco | that open ssh wiki page is pure joy | 10:43 |
| mdke | yep | 10:45 |
| mdke | the wiki in general is improving a lot | 10:46 |
| mdke | Madpilot, jsgotangco, are your wiki email notifications arriving? | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | yes - I'm not subbed to that many pages, though | 10:49 |
| Madpilot | I'm not insane enough to sub to the entire thing like some people :P | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | yep its ok with me i still get 200+ emails a day | 10:50 |
| mdke | hmm | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: you must have had fun when Burgundavia had his insane editing spree over Xmas... | 10:50 |
| jsgotangco | jeezz | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | that was insane | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | it was obvious that the man was lonely during the holidays | 10:51 |
| mdke | Madpilot, nice work on all those screenshots btw | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | thanks - the Gnome screenshot util makes it stupidly easy, once I discovered ALT+PrntScrn | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: he was trapped at home recovering from minor surgery, actually :P | 10:52 |
| mdke | man Burgundavia, you put EVERYTHING in cleanup ;) | 10:54 |
| mdke | what's wrong with FrostWireHowTo? | 10:54 |
| Madpilot | in November CatCleanup was about 180 items, IIRC, now it's 350+ | 10:55 |
| mdke | yeah | 10:56 |
| mdke | hmmm | 10:58 |
| mdke | what do people think about the creation of the CategoryNetworking? | 10:59 |
| Madpilot | sounds good to me | 11:00 |
| Madpilot | it might help gather up the bits and pieces that're still around the wireless & modem sections | 11:00 |
| mdke | yeah, there is a guy doing some good work on those by the look of things | 11:00 |
| mdke | ToddLambert | 11:00 |
| mdke | he has created that category and is cleaning up those pages | 11:01 |
| mdke | I msged him in the forums but no answer | 11:01 |
| Madpilot | was he the guy who rebuilt the modem section? | 11:04 |
| mdke | nope, different one | 11:04 |
| mdke | argh! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions is missing | 11:04 |
| mdke | that's a system page, how can it disappear | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrphanedPages <-- if anyone wants a LONG page of stuff that needs tweaking, here's a 1600+ item list :D | 11:12 |
| Madpilot | a lot of those are probably redirect pages, though | 11:13 |
| mdke | and home pages | 11:15 |
| Madpilot | those should be in CatHomepage, though | 11:17 |
| mdke | does that stop them showing up in OrphanedPages? | 11:18 |
| Madpilot | it should, it means they're linked to from the CatHomepage page | 11:18 |
| mdke | they are not linked to from the CatHomepage page, they just appear there as the result of a search macro | 11:19 |
| mdke | they are not actually in the text of it | 11:19 |
| Madpilot | yeah, you're right - because AaronFarias is in CatHomepage, but also OrphanPages... | 11:21 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:21 |
| Madpilot | odd... | 11:22 |
| mdke | ? | 11:23 |
| Madpilot | so merely categorizing something won't move it out of Orphans - interesting | 11:25 |
| mdke | sure, that page is just for pages which are not linked anywhere | 11:26 |
| Madpilot | right, and the category pages themselves don't count as links | 11:26 |
| mdke | nope | 11:26 |
| mdke | they are like tags | 11:27 |
| Madpilot | how very Web2.0 :P | 11:27 |
| Madpilot | anyway, I need sleep... suddenly it's almost 0230 here... talk to you later | 11:28 |
| mdke | night | 11:28 |
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| bhuvan | /quit/quit | 01:52 |
| highvoltage | hehe | 01:52 |
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| highvoltage | hi, and happy new year, edubuntu-doc! | 02:18 |
| highvoltage | anyone here know what the official ubuntu way is to create and restore backups? | 02:19 |
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| highvoltage | hi jsgotangco | 02:19 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, hey! happy new year! | 02:20 |
| jsgotangco | back to work eh? | 02:20 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: happy new year to you too! | 02:21 |
| highvoltage | not yet, i'm connected with gprs atm. | 02:22 |
| highvoltage | jsgotangco: do you know if there's an "official" ubuntu way of doing backups in ubuntu? | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | highvoltage, none really | 02:22 |
| jsgotangco | we don't have graphical tools at all (in gnome) | 02:22 |
| mdke | sbackup? | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | that's a bit sucky | 02:23 |
| mdke | i think it is a graphical tool | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | mdke: it's not installed by default on ubuntu, is it? | 02:23 |
| highvoltage | mdke: and happy new year to you too :) | 02:23 |
| mdke | highvoltage, no, and same | 02:24 |
| jsgotangco | i think the best candidate would be a tool that is in main | 02:25 |
| jsgotangco | (no idea what that is at the moment) | 02:26 |
| mdke | sbackup was developed as part of the ubuntu Google Summer of Code initiative i think | 02:27 |
| mdke | but more work is being done, I've heard | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | i'm finishing up some documentation for tuxlabs, which will become edubuntu documentation when it's closer to finished. so it needs to be main as far as possible. | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | i think i'll talk about raid 1 and mention some of the tools in universe | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | and perhaps some other basic, even though crude ways like using CD's/DVD's and dd'ing your one disk to another at midnight. | 02:28 |
| jsgotangco | that would be a clever hack | 02:28 |
| highvoltage | the dd thing? | 02:29 |
| highvoltage | what i like about that above raid, is that you don't loose so much disk bandwidth. | 02:29 |
| highvoltage | (which is very important in ltsp situations) | 02:29 |
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| jsgotangco | i feel guilty for not reviewing what's in svn lately, but i still update it every time | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | i should manage my time and do at least a review on a weekend :( | 03:51 |
| jjesse | grin don't feel guitly sometimes i don't look at things for a couple of days | 04:03 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke, because I can; ) | 04:48 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, doesn't mean it's right though | 04:49 |
| Kyral | Morning DocTeam | 04:50 |
| mdke | morning Kyral | 04:51 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke, there was something that caught my eye, forget waht | 04:53 |
| Burgundavia | note that that SSH howot was the first brandnew doc I have not added to Cleanup | 04:53 |
| mdke | that kinda removes the meaning of the category | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 04:54 |
| mdke | if every doc goes in there, there is no distinction between ready, and not ready | 04:54 |
| Burgundavia | not every doc is in there | 04:55 |
| mdke | we need to be reasonable and understand that no page is perfect, but putting too much stuff in cleanup will not be helpful | 04:55 |
| Burgundavia | that is also why I broke out NeedsExpansion | 04:55 |
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| jjesse | can i ask a stupid question? | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | jjesse, shot | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | shoot, even | 04:56 |
| jjesse | what is the point of categories? | 04:56 |
| jjesse | i mean if i'm looking for something i don't look in a category, i just search | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | to make navigation easier | 04:56 |
| Burgundavia | because some people will use them | 04:56 |
| mdke | you can create lists of pages tagged with specific categories | 04:56 |
| jjesse | so if i was looking for laptop help i could look for everything that has a reference to laptops | 04:59 |
| irvin | Burgundavia = Corey Burger ? | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | irvin, thats me | 05:00 |
| irvin | quick question: if i add a new entry to the wiki should i add the category or will i wait for you? | 05:00 |
| Burgundavia | irvin, go ahead and Be Bold! | 05:00 |
| irvin | looking into CategoryCleanup, where can i find the standards documentation? | 05:02 |
| Burgundavia | irvin, you mean a style guide? | 05:05 |
| Burgundavia | or a page that tells you when to remove it from CatCleanup? | 05:05 |
| irvin | what do you mean by this one: from CategoryCleanup, "This category lists pages that (1) do not follow the standards of documentation," | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | they don't follow our style guide or only tell part of the picture | 05:06 |
| irvin | i see | 05:06 |
| Burgundavia | in practice, often they are not abstracted to deal with more than just the one situation the writer ran into | 05:07 |
| Burgundavia | anyway, I have to go to work. irvin, directly any further questions at Burgwork, so I can answer them at work | 05:10 |
| irvin | ok thanks | 05:10 |
| Burgwork | how do I get grep to supress the normal output and return 1 or 0 if it has found something? | 06:15 |
| Burgwork | jjesse, ping | 07:02 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, you can point people to WikiGuide if they ask about style | 07:17 |
| Burgwork | mdke, ya, was trying to remember which page it was | 07:18 |
| mdke | :) | 07:18 |
| Burgwork | don't ask me, I don't know where the style guide is | 07:18 |
| mdke | it's linked on WikiGuide | 07:21 |
| Burgwork | yes, I realize that | 07:22 |
| Burgwork | I was joking. Actually, I have never read the style guide | 07:22 |
| mdke | we need to have something about when pages should be in CatCleanup on the WIkiGuide page | 07:25 |
| mdke | that way people can easily find authoritative clarification on how it works | 07:25 |
| mdke | but we need to decide ourselves what definition we want first, I suppose | 07:25 |
| Burgwork | "anything that is crap"? | 07:29 |
| Burgwork | how about this: | 07:29 |
| Burgwork | badly formatted, incomplete or incorrect information, too specific | 07:29 |
| mdke | too specific? | 07:30 |
| mdke | the first bit sounds good | 07:30 |
| Burgwork | too specific: something that only pertains to that can be better abstracted elsewhere, such as a installing wine for all windows programs | 07:32 |
| mdke | i don't follow | 07:33 |
| mdke | there is material we don't want? | 07:33 |
| Burgwork | hmm | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | what I mean is we don't want a page for every bloody type of network card | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | when that could better be done in a single page | 07:34 |
| Burgwork | oh, another thing: doesn't properly explain the topic | 07:35 |
| Burgwork | ala https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChillispotHotspot | 07:35 |
| mdke | i think we need to realise that a wiki page will never be perfect | 07:36 |
| mdke | anyway, perhaps we can discuss this by mail, or at the next meeting, or something | 07:36 |
| Burgwork | next meeting | 07:36 |
| Burgwork | yes | 07:36 |
| mdke | cool | 07:37 |
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| jjesse | Burgwork: sorry was in another room | 08:07 |
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| BearHunter | hello everyone | 08:46 |
| Burgwork | salut BearHunter | 08:47 |
| BearHunter | I am going to install ububtu as a file/print server to connect to a few windows xp boxes . . . | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | are looking for help? | 08:47 |
| BearHunter | just a few questions | 08:47 |
| BearHunter | am i in the right room? | 08:47 |
| Burgwork | best to ask in #ubuntu , as this is not a support channel | 08:47 |
| BearHunter | ok thanks | 08:48 |
| Burgwork | np | 08:48 |
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