[12:05] <Kyral> lol
[12:05] <Kyral> We all do our parts :D
[12:53] <Burgwork> Kyral, it is your wiki as well as mine
[12:53] <Kyral> ah
[12:53] <Burgwork> sorry, was on the phone at work here
[12:53] <Kyral> but you are DocTeam god or something along those lines
[01:30] <Kyral> hey LJ(again ;P)
[01:33] <LaserJock> hi Kyral, what are you doing here?
[01:33] <Kyral> I'm technically signed up for the Install Guide :D
[01:33] <Kyral> but since the new installer doesn't exist yet...
[01:34] <LaserJock> ahh
[01:35] <Kyral> So I'm doing whatever needs to be helped with
[01:35] <Kyral> Was renovating the Emacs wikipage...then my computer crashed before I could save it
[01:36] <Kyral> So thats on the docket for tomorrow
[01:36] <LaserJock> well lucas has gone wild on the MOTU wiki pages
[01:37] <LaserJock> hopefully that works out
[01:37] <Kyral> lol
[01:40] <Kyral> Yah I was rummaging in CategoryCleanup
[01:46] <Kyral> saw the pathetic excuse of a page for Emacs
[01:46] <Kyral> and couldn't let the injustice slip :D
[01:47] <LaserJock> Kyral: going to do a vim page next ;-)
[01:47] <Kyral> hell no
[01:48] <LaserJock> maybe I would have to do that 
[01:49] <nickrud> a vim page for writing doc book would be gratefully read :)
[01:51] <LaserJock> nickrud: there is a little bit of a vim docbook page but it doesn't have much
[01:56] <jsgotangco> does anyone of you guys use emacs planner-el?
[01:56] <Kyral> nope
[02:08] <nickrud> LaserJock, I've read that one, and it didn't help much, either. Getting over that docbook hurdle is a bitch.
[02:12] <LaserJock> nickrud: can you be a little more specific? What hurdles are you finding?
[02:27] <nickrud> it's mostly the mechanics of formatting; actually, a quality guide to using nmxl in emacs (written from the emacs newbie perspective) would be nice
[02:27] <nickrud> maybe next year I'll be in a position to give some useful feedback on that
[04:19] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2
[04:19] <Burgundavia> created a new page to start writing the next version
[04:50] <Burgundavia> bon soir, robitaille 
[04:50] <robitaille> Hi Burgundavia 
[06:04] <Madpilot> robitaille: evidently the CCAgenda page had a mistake in the text, not in the link like I assumed... :P
[10:31] <mdke> morning all
[10:31] <Madpilot> hi mdke
[10:33] <jsgotangco> hi
[10:34] <Madpilot> so I put my name down for membership @ the next CC meeting - hopefully some of the DocTeam can make it?
[10:35] <mdke> great news
[10:35] <mdke> i can't make it but I'll leave a msg with Kamion as I usually do :)
[10:36] <mdke> bshumate, you are a GOD
[10:36] <mdke> Madpilot, there will be absolutely no problem with your membership, I'm certain
[10:37] <Madpilot> mdke: thanks!
[10:43] <jsgotangco> that open ssh wiki page is pure joy
[10:45] <mdke> yep
[10:46] <mdke> the wiki in general is improving a lot
[10:49] <mdke> Madpilot, jsgotangco, are your wiki email notifications arriving? 
[10:49] <Madpilot> yes - I'm not subbed to that many pages, though
[10:49] <Madpilot> I'm not insane enough to sub to the entire thing like some people :P
[10:50] <jsgotangco> yep its ok with me i still get 200+ emails a day
[10:50] <mdke> hmm
[10:50] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: you must have had fun when Burgundavia had his insane editing spree over Xmas...
[10:51] <jsgotangco> jeezz
[10:51] <jsgotangco> that was insane
[10:51] <jsgotangco> it was obvious that the man was lonely during the holidays
[10:51] <mdke> Madpilot, nice work on all those screenshots btw
[10:52] <Madpilot> thanks - the Gnome screenshot util makes it stupidly easy, once I discovered ALT+PrntScrn
[10:52] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: he was trapped at home recovering from minor surgery, actually :P
[10:54] <mdke> man Burgundavia, you put EVERYTHING in cleanup ;)
[10:54] <mdke> what's wrong with FrostWireHowTo?
[10:55] <Madpilot> in November CatCleanup was about 180 items, IIRC, now it's 350+
[10:56] <mdke> yeah
[10:58] <mdke> hmmm
[10:59] <mdke> what do people think about the creation of the CategoryNetworking?
[11:00] <Madpilot> sounds good to me
[11:00] <Madpilot> it might help gather up the bits and pieces that're still around the wireless & modem sections
[11:00] <mdke> yeah, there is a guy doing some good work on those by the look of things
[11:00] <mdke> ToddLambert
[11:01] <mdke> he has created that category and is cleaning up those pages
[11:01] <mdke> I msged him in the forums but no answer
[11:04] <Madpilot> was he the guy who rebuilt the modem section?
[11:04] <mdke> nope, different one
[11:04] <mdke> argh! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions is missing
[11:05] <mdke> that's a system page, how can it disappear
[11:12] <Madpilot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrphanedPages <-- if anyone wants a LONG page of stuff that needs tweaking, here's a 1600+ item list :D
[11:13] <Madpilot> a lot of those are probably redirect pages, though
[11:15] <mdke> and home pages
[11:17] <Madpilot> those should be in CatHomepage, though
[11:18] <mdke> does that stop them showing up in OrphanedPages?
[11:18] <Madpilot> it should, it means they're linked to from the CatHomepage page
[11:19] <mdke> they are not linked to from the CatHomepage page, they just appear there as the result of a search macro
[11:19] <mdke> they are not actually in the text of it
[11:21] <Madpilot> yeah, you're right - because AaronFarias is in CatHomepage, but also OrphanPages... 
[11:21] <mdke> yeah
[11:22] <Madpilot> odd...
[11:23] <mdke> ?
[11:25] <Madpilot> so merely categorizing something won't move it out of Orphans - interesting
[11:26] <mdke> sure, that page is just for pages which are not linked anywhere
[11:26] <Madpilot> right, and the category pages themselves don't count as links
[11:26] <mdke> nope
[11:27] <mdke> they are like tags
[11:27] <Madpilot> how very Web2.0 :P
[11:28] <Madpilot> anyway, I need sleep... suddenly it's almost 0230 here... talk to you later
[11:28] <mdke> night
[01:52] <bhuvan> /quit/quit
[01:52] <highvoltage> hehe
[02:18] <highvoltage> hi, and happy new year, edubuntu-doc!
[02:19] <highvoltage> anyone here know what the official ubuntu way is to create and restore backups?
[02:19] <highvoltage> hi jsgotangco 
[02:20] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, hey! happy new year!
[02:20] <jsgotangco> back to work eh?
[02:21] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: happy new year to you too!
[02:22] <highvoltage> not yet, i'm connected with gprs atm.
[02:22] <highvoltage> jsgotangco: do you know if there's an "official" ubuntu way of doing backups in ubuntu?
[02:22] <jsgotangco> highvoltage, none really
[02:22] <jsgotangco> we don't have graphical tools at all (in gnome)
[02:23] <mdke> sbackup?
[02:23] <highvoltage> that's a bit sucky
[02:23] <mdke> i think it is a graphical tool
[02:23] <highvoltage> mdke: it's not installed by default on ubuntu, is it?
[02:23] <highvoltage> mdke: and happy new year to you too :)
[02:24] <mdke> highvoltage, no, and same
[02:25] <jsgotangco> i think the best candidate would be a tool that is in main
[02:26] <jsgotangco> (no idea what that is at the moment)
[02:27] <mdke> sbackup was developed as part of the ubuntu Google Summer of Code initiative i think
[02:27] <mdke> but more work is being done, I've heard
[02:27] <highvoltage> i'm finishing up some documentation for tuxlabs, which will become edubuntu documentation when it's closer to finished. so it needs to be main as far as possible.
[02:27] <highvoltage> i think i'll talk about raid 1 and mention some of the tools in universe
[02:28] <highvoltage> and perhaps some other basic, even though crude ways like using CD's/DVD's and dd'ing your one disk to another at midnight.
[02:28] <jsgotangco> that would be a clever hack
[02:29] <highvoltage> the dd thing?
[02:29] <highvoltage> what i like about that above raid, is that you don't loose so much disk bandwidth.
[02:29] <highvoltage> (which is very important in ltsp situations)
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i feel guilty for not reviewing what's in svn lately, but i still update it every time
[03:51] <jsgotangco> i should manage my time and do at least a review on a weekend :(
[04:03] <jjesse> grin don't feel guitly sometimes i don't look at things for a couple of days
[04:48] <Burgundavia> mdke, because I can; )
[04:49] <mdke> Burgundavia, doesn't mean it's right though
[04:50] <Kyral> Morning DocTeam
[04:51] <mdke> morning Kyral 
[04:53] <Burgundavia> mdke, there was something that caught my eye, forget waht
[04:53] <Burgundavia> note that that SSH howot was the first brandnew doc I have not added to Cleanup
[04:54] <mdke> that kinda removes the meaning of the category
[04:54] <Burgundavia> not really
[04:54] <mdke> if every doc goes in there, there is no distinction between ready, and not ready
[04:55] <Burgundavia> not every doc is in there
[04:55] <mdke> we need to be reasonable and understand that no page is perfect, but putting too much stuff in cleanup will not be helpful
[04:55] <Burgundavia> that is also why I broke out NeedsExpansion
[04:56] <jjesse> can i ask a stupid question?
[04:56] <Burgundavia> jjesse, shot
[04:56] <Burgundavia> shoot, even
[04:56] <jjesse> what is the point of categories?
[04:56] <jjesse> i mean if i'm looking for something i don't look in a category, i just search
[04:56] <Burgundavia> to make navigation easier
[04:56] <Burgundavia> because some people will use them
[04:56] <mdke> you can create lists of pages tagged with specific categories
[04:59] <jjesse> so if i was looking for laptop help i could look for everything that has a reference to laptops
[05:00] <irvin> Burgundavia = Corey Burger ?
[05:00] <Burgundavia> irvin, thats me
[05:00] <irvin> quick question: if i add a new entry to the wiki should i add the category or will i wait for you?
[05:00] <Burgundavia> irvin, go ahead and Be Bold!
[05:02] <irvin> looking into CategoryCleanup, where can i find the standards documentation?
[05:05] <Burgundavia> irvin, you mean a style guide?
[05:05] <Burgundavia> or a page that tells you when to remove it from CatCleanup?
[05:06] <irvin> what do you mean by this one: from CategoryCleanup, "This category lists pages that (1) do not follow the standards of documentation,"
[05:06] <Burgundavia> ah
[05:06] <Burgundavia> they don't follow our style guide or only tell part of the picture
[05:06] <irvin> i see
[05:07] <Burgundavia> in practice, often they are not abstracted to deal with more than just the one situation the writer ran into
[05:10] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to go to work. irvin, directly any further questions at Burgwork, so I can answer them at work
[05:10] <irvin> ok thanks
[06:15] <Burgwork> how do I get grep to supress the normal output and return 1 or 0 if it has found something?
[07:02] <Burgwork> jjesse, ping
[07:17] <mdke> Burgundavia, you can point people to WikiGuide if they ask about style
[07:18] <Burgwork> mdke, ya, was trying to remember which page it was
[07:18] <mdke> :)
[07:18] <Burgwork> don't ask me, I don't know where the style guide is
[07:21] <mdke> it's linked on WikiGuide
[07:22] <Burgwork> yes, I realize that
[07:22] <Burgwork> I was joking. Actually, I have never read the style guide
[07:25] <mdke> we need to have something about when pages should be in CatCleanup on the WIkiGuide page
[07:25] <mdke> that way people can easily find authoritative clarification on how it works
[07:25] <mdke> but we need to decide ourselves what definition we want first, I suppose
[07:29] <Burgwork> "anything that is crap"?
[07:29] <Burgwork> how about this:
[07:29] <Burgwork> badly formatted, incomplete or incorrect information, too specific
[07:30] <mdke> too specific?
[07:30] <mdke> the first bit sounds good
[07:32] <Burgwork> too specific: something that only pertains to that can be better abstracted elsewhere, such as a installing wine for all windows programs
[07:33] <mdke> i don't follow
[07:33] <mdke> there is material we don't want?
[07:34] <Burgwork> hmm
[07:34] <Burgwork> what I mean is we don't want a page for every bloody type of network card
[07:34] <Burgwork> when that could better be done in a single page
[07:35] <Burgwork> oh, another thing: doesn't properly explain the topic
[07:35] <Burgwork> ala https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChillispotHotspot
[07:36] <mdke> i think we need to realise that a wiki page will never be perfect
[07:36] <mdke> anyway, perhaps we can discuss this by mail, or at the next meeting, or something
[07:36] <Burgwork> next meeting
[07:36] <Burgwork> yes
[07:37] <mdke> cool
[08:07] <jjesse> Burgwork: sorry was in another room
[08:46] <BearHunter> hello everyone
[08:47] <Burgwork> salut BearHunter
[08:47] <BearHunter> I am going to install ububtu as a file/print server to connect to a few windows xp boxes . . .
[08:47] <Burgwork> are looking for help?
[08:47] <BearHunter> just a few questions
[08:47] <BearHunter> am i in the right room?
[08:47] <Burgwork> best to ask in #ubuntu , as this is not a support channel
[08:48] <BearHunter> ok thanks
[08:48] <Burgwork> np