=== mpt lets it go ... he can't solve all of Ubuntu's problems ;-) [12:05] lol [12:05] We all do our parts :D === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-233-73.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:53] Kyral, it is your wiki as well as mine [12:53] ah [12:53] sorry, was on the phone at work here [12:53] but you are DocTeam god or something along those lines === bshumate [n=bshumate@68.210.90.145] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:30] hey LJ(again ;P) [01:33] hi Kyral, what are you doing here? [01:33] I'm technically signed up for the Install Guide :D [01:33] but since the new installer doesn't exist yet... [01:34] ahh [01:35] So I'm doing whatever needs to be helped with [01:35] Was renovating the Emacs wikipage...then my computer crashed before I could save it === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:36] So thats on the docket for tomorrow [01:36] well lucas has gone wild on the MOTU wiki pages [01:37] hopefully that works out [01:37] lol [01:40] Yah I was rummaging in CategoryCleanup === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-229.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:46] saw the pathetic excuse of a page for Emacs [01:46] and couldn't let the injustice slip :D === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-249-217.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:47] Kyral: going to do a vim page next ;-) [01:47] hell no [01:48] maybe I would have to do that [01:49] a vim page for writing doc book would be gratefully read :) === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@cpe-065-188-148-141.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@68.210.90.145] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:51] nickrud: there is a little bit of a vim docbook page but it doesn't have much [01:56] does anyone of you guys use emacs planner-el? [01:56] nope [02:08] LaserJock, I've read that one, and it didn't help much, either. Getting over that docbook hurdle is a bitch. [02:12] nickrud: can you be a little more specific? What hurdles are you finding? === lambertt [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:27] it's mostly the mechanics of formatting; actually, a quality guide to using nmxl in emacs (written from the emacs newbie perspective) would be nice [02:27] maybe next year I'll be in a position to give some useful feedback on that === Kinnison [n=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun__ [n=crimsun@66.248.140.183] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-249-217.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@68.210.90.145] has left #ubuntu-doc ["b"] === bshumate [n=bshumate@68.210.90.145] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kyral [n=kyral@ubuntu/member/kyral] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/News2 [04:19] created a new page to start writing the next version === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-77-79.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:50] bon soir, robitaille [04:50] Hi Burgundavia === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3783725.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === crimsun [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:04] robitaille: evidently the CCAgenda page had a mistake in the text, not in the link like I assumed... :P === KingBahamut [n=bahamut@c-24-98-229-28.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Hendikins [n=wolfox@ESS-p-144-138-9-45.mega.tmns.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:31] morning all [10:31] hi mdke [10:33] hi [10:34] so I put my name down for membership @ the next CC meeting - hopefully some of the DocTeam can make it? [10:35] great news [10:35] i can't make it but I'll leave a msg with Kamion as I usually do :) [10:36] bshumate, you are a GOD [10:36] Madpilot, there will be absolutely no problem with your membership, I'm certain [10:37] mdke: thanks! === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:43] that open ssh wiki page is pure joy [10:45] yep [10:46] the wiki in general is improving a lot [10:49] Madpilot, jsgotangco, are your wiki email notifications arriving? [10:49] yes - I'm not subbed to that many pages, though [10:49] I'm not insane enough to sub to the entire thing like some people :P [10:50] yep its ok with me i still get 200+ emails a day [10:50] hmm [10:50] jsgotangco: you must have had fun when Burgundavia had his insane editing spree over Xmas... [10:51] jeezz [10:51] that was insane [10:51] it was obvious that the man was lonely during the holidays [10:51] Madpilot, nice work on all those screenshots btw [10:52] thanks - the Gnome screenshot util makes it stupidly easy, once I discovered ALT+PrntScrn [10:52] jsgotangco: he was trapped at home recovering from minor surgery, actually :P [10:54] man Burgundavia, you put EVERYTHING in cleanup ;) [10:54] what's wrong with FrostWireHowTo? [10:55] in November CatCleanup was about 180 items, IIRC, now it's 350+ [10:56] yeah [10:58] hmmm [10:59] what do people think about the creation of the CategoryNetworking? [11:00] sounds good to me [11:00] it might help gather up the bits and pieces that're still around the wireless & modem sections [11:00] yeah, there is a guy doing some good work on those by the look of things [11:00] ToddLambert [11:01] he has created that category and is cleaning up those pages [11:01] I msged him in the forums but no answer [11:04] was he the guy who rebuilt the modem section? [11:04] nope, different one [11:04] argh! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpOnProcessingInstructions is missing [11:05] that's a system page, how can it disappear [11:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OrphanedPages <-- if anyone wants a LONG page of stuff that needs tweaking, here's a 1600+ item list :D [11:13] a lot of those are probably redirect pages, though [11:15] and home pages [11:17] those should be in CatHomepage, though [11:18] does that stop them showing up in OrphanedPages? [11:18] it should, it means they're linked to from the CatHomepage page [11:19] they are not linked to from the CatHomepage page, they just appear there as the result of a search macro [11:19] they are not actually in the text of it [11:21] yeah, you're right - because AaronFarias is in CatHomepage, but also OrphanPages... [11:21] yeah [11:22] odd... [11:23] ? [11:25] so merely categorizing something won't move it out of Orphans - interesting [11:26] sure, that page is just for pages which are not linked anywhere [11:26] right, and the category pages themselves don't count as links [11:26] nope [11:27] they are like tags [11:27] how very Web2.0 :P [11:28] anyway, I need sleep... suddenly it's almost 0230 here... talk to you later [11:28] night === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-178.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.207.41.251] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:52] /quit/quit [01:52] hehe === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@ubuntu/member/highvoltage] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:18] hi, and happy new year, edubuntu-doc! [02:19] anyone here know what the official ubuntu way is to create and restore backups? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:19] hi jsgotangco [02:20] highvoltage, hey! happy new year! [02:20] back to work eh? [02:21] jsgotangco: happy new year to you too! [02:22] not yet, i'm connected with gprs atm. [02:22] jsgotangco: do you know if there's an "official" ubuntu way of doing backups in ubuntu? [02:22] highvoltage, none really [02:22] we don't have graphical tools at all (in gnome) [02:23] sbackup? [02:23] that's a bit sucky [02:23] i think it is a graphical tool [02:23] mdke: it's not installed by default on ubuntu, is it? [02:23] mdke: and happy new year to you too :) [02:24] highvoltage, no, and same [02:25] i think the best candidate would be a tool that is in main [02:26] (no idea what that is at the moment) [02:27] sbackup was developed as part of the ubuntu Google Summer of Code initiative i think [02:27] but more work is being done, I've heard [02:27] i'm finishing up some documentation for tuxlabs, which will become edubuntu documentation when it's closer to finished. so it needs to be main as far as possible. [02:27] i think i'll talk about raid 1 and mention some of the tools in universe [02:28] and perhaps some other basic, even though crude ways like using CD's/DVD's and dd'ing your one disk to another at midnight. [02:28] that would be a clever hack [02:29] the dd thing? [02:29] what i like about that above raid, is that you don't loose so much disk bandwidth. [02:29] (which is very important in ltsp situations) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:51] i feel guilty for not reviewing what's in svn lately, but i still update it every time [03:51] i should manage my time and do at least a review on a weekend :( [04:03] grin don't feel guitly sometimes i don't look at things for a couple of days === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-168-178.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Sikavica [n=andon_si@82.114.78.10] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:48] mdke, because I can; ) [04:49] Burgundavia, doesn't mean it's right though [04:50] Morning DocTeam [04:51] morning Kyral === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:53] mdke, there was something that caught my eye, forget waht [04:53] note that that SSH howot was the first brandnew doc I have not added to Cleanup [04:54] that kinda removes the meaning of the category [04:54] not really [04:54] if every doc goes in there, there is no distinction between ready, and not ready [04:55] not every doc is in there [04:55] we need to be reasonable and understand that no page is perfect, but putting too much stuff in cleanup will not be helpful [04:55] that is also why I broke out NeedsExpansion === mdke sighs [04:56] can i ask a stupid question? [04:56] jjesse, shot [04:56] shoot, even [04:56] what is the point of categories? [04:56] i mean if i'm looking for something i don't look in a category, i just search [04:56] to make navigation easier [04:56] because some people will use them [04:56] you can create lists of pages tagged with specific categories [04:59] so if i was looking for laptop help i could look for everything that has a reference to laptops [05:00] Burgundavia = Corey Burger ? [05:00] irvin, thats me [05:00] quick question: if i add a new entry to the wiki should i add the category or will i wait for you? [05:00] irvin, go ahead and Be Bold! [05:02] looking into CategoryCleanup, where can i find the standards documentation? [05:05] irvin, you mean a style guide? [05:05] or a page that tells you when to remove it from CatCleanup? [05:06] what do you mean by this one: from CategoryCleanup, "This category lists pages that (1) do not follow the standards of documentation," [05:06] ah [05:06] they don't follow our style guide or only tell part of the picture [05:06] i see [05:07] in practice, often they are not abstracted to deal with more than just the one situation the writer ran into [05:10] anyway, I have to go to work. irvin, directly any further questions at Burgwork, so I can answer them at work [05:10] ok thanks [06:15] how do I get grep to supress the normal output and return 1 or 0 if it has found something? [07:02] jjesse, ping [07:17] Burgundavia, you can point people to WikiGuide if they ask about style [07:18] mdke, ya, was trying to remember which page it was [07:18] :) [07:18] don't ask me, I don't know where the style guide is [07:21] it's linked on WikiGuide [07:22] yes, I realize that [07:22] I was joking. Actually, I have never read the style guide [07:25] we need to have something about when pages should be in CatCleanup on the WIkiGuide page [07:25] that way people can easily find authoritative clarification on how it works [07:25] but we need to decide ourselves what definition we want first, I suppose [07:29] "anything that is crap"? [07:29] how about this: [07:29] badly formatted, incomplete or incorrect information, too specific [07:30] too specific? [07:30] the first bit sounds good [07:32] too specific: something that only pertains to that can be better abstracted elsewhere, such as a installing wine for all windows programs [07:33] i don't follow [07:33] there is material we don't want? [07:34] hmm [07:34] what I mean is we don't want a page for every bloody type of network card [07:34] when that could better be done in a single page [07:35] oh, another thing: doesn't properly explain the topic [07:35] ala https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChillispotHotspot [07:36] i think we need to realise that a wiki page will never be perfect [07:36] anyway, perhaps we can discuss this by mail, or at the next meeting, or something [07:36] next meeting [07:36] yes [07:37] cool === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [08:07] Burgwork: sorry was in another room === Hendikins [n=wolfox@pdpc/supporter/student/Hendikins] has joined #ubuntu-doc === BearHunter [n=hdskfjhh@60-241-100-105.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:46] hello everyone [08:47] salut BearHunter [08:47] I am going to install ububtu as a file/print server to connect to a few windows xp boxes . . . [08:47] are looking for help? [08:47] just a few questions [08:47] am i in the right room? [08:47] best to ask in #ubuntu , as this is not a support channel [08:48] ok thanks [08:48] np === BearHunter [n=hdskfjhh@60-241-100-105.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-147.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-41.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc