[12:03] <Riddell> allee: :)
[12:03] <kozz> ehm, I just ran it
[12:03] <Riddell> kozz: ah well, that's never worked for me
[12:03] <allee> ah, and one digikam core developer left before we can make digikam a native package ;)
[12:04] <Riddell> kozz: fancy seeing if you can get the knetworkmanager to work?
[12:04] <Riddell> kozz: you need a CVS network manager and some other library
[12:04] <kozz> make sure you have NetworkManager running and then run nm-applet
[12:04] <Riddell> libnl
[12:05] <Riddell> kozz: or not feeling adventurous?
[12:05] <kozz> can make a try, url?
[12:05] <Riddell> kozz: get the CVS network manager, their webpage on gnome.org explains it well
[12:06] <kozz> so there is support for kde in the CVS?
[12:06] <Riddell> no, hang on
[12:07] <Riddell> get  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/libnl-1.0-pre5.tar.gz 
[12:07] <Riddell> compile and install and copy the .pc file into the package-config directory 
[12:08] <Riddell> then compile and install this http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/knetworkmanager-0.1.tar.gz
[12:08] <Riddell> and let me know if you get it working :)
[12:09] <kozz> right, thanks
[12:59] <Riddell> sebas, _Sime: do kde widgets not work with pykde and qt designer?
[01:25] <kozz> was some work, will continue after some sleep ;)
[01:30] <Riddell> kozz: what did you get done?
[01:33] <kozz> well, managed to compile knetworkmanager after a small modification, now I need to compile the cvs of network manager but that requires a newer version of wireless-tools than are available in the repos so
[01:33] <Riddell> well if you have knetwork manager compiled that should be ok
[01:33] <Riddell> maybe the network manager in the repos is newer than when I tried
[01:33] <kozz> it didn't work to run with version 0.4.1 of network-manager at least
[01:34] <kozz> the one in the repos
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, you still about?
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> I know it's late there
[02:20] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: yes
[02:20] <Riddell> got a meeting in 40 minutes
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> ah good
[02:20] <seth_k|lappy> I'm fixing polyester, sistpoty had one comment. It's a trivial change, so shouldn't be much to review. I'm reuploading shortly, but I'll need the advocate again
[02:21] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: what was the comment?
[02:21] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, he didn't like orig being changed, so I added a clean:: rule instead
[02:22] <seth_k|lappy> which I agree with, in hindsight
[02:24] <Riddell> hmm, right
[02:24] <seth_k|lappy> I just finished building it again to make sure it was still correct
[02:24] <seth_k|lappy> works fine, so uploading
[02:24] <Riddell> I always change the .orig, as do debian-qt-kde packagers, but MOTU don't seem to like that
[02:31] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1394
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://netswitch.tuxfamily.org/en/index.html
[03:00] <Tonio_> qt frontend in the work, very, very interesting ;)
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: and it doesn't manage to work only with wifi like wlassistant, but with everything :)
[03:03] <Tonio_> a sudo mode for ubuntu is already in it ;)
[03:03] <Tonio_> hehe
[03:06] <Riddell> all these network tools, none that really work well
[03:07] <Riddell> distro meeting in #ubuntu-meeting if anyone is interested
[03:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: it's a tight schedule on those meeting so watch but don't interupt on channel is the usual rule
[03:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no problems - i tend to lurk anyway
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't remember who in kubuntu-fr tested it, but it was aparently working really well....
[03:17] <Tonio_> anyway, it has to be tested deeply when the qt version is out
[03:17] <Riddell> yes
[03:18] <Tonio_> we will find a good one one of these days ;)
[03:19] <Tonio_> anyway I'm surprised that there is no guidance tool for the network actually...
[03:19] <Tonio_> it should be hard to do in python, compared to some already released tools
[03:21] <Riddell> well we have knetworkconf
[03:21] <Riddell> which is C++ on perl
[03:22] <Tonio_> yes, and interesting because it take advantage of gnome settings tools
[03:22] <Tonio_> but not very convenient for wireless....
[03:22] <Riddell> no
[03:22] <Tonio_> but without those bugs
[03:22] <Tonio_> it could be convenient
[03:22] <Tonio_> gnome-system-tools sorry ;)
[03:23] <Tonio_> networkmanager is a very interesting project also
[03:23] <Tonio_> netswitch is the same king of tools that networkmanager
[03:24] <Tonio_> except that the developpment seems to go much quicker....
[03:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've read that the packages version frozen for dapper is in 2 weeks only, is that right ?
[03:25] <Riddell> yes
[03:25] <Riddell> not sure when universe upstream freeze or new package freeze is
[03:25] <Tonio_> damn, I need to poke motus for my packages hehe
[03:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: please poke me if there's anything I can do
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: you already advocated them, but you're the only one
[03:26] <Tonio_> ho Riddell , I will be in the next CC meeting
[03:26] <Tonio_> finally I will ;)
[03:27] <Tonio_> that means that if for example we have in 2 months a qt version of netswitch, and that it works perfectly, It will not go in dapper ?
[03:27] <Tonio_> sad.....
[03:27] <Lathiat> netswitch?
[03:28] <Lathiat> ah, url above
[03:28] <Tonio_> Lathiat: a network configuration tool that looks very promissing according to the people that have tested it
[03:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: no, that's far too late for dapper but perfect for dapper+1
[03:28] <Tonio_> it has a command line, and a gtk frontend, and a kde one is in the work
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: anyway, breezy had too many bugs, so if a sooner frozing is the solution, that has to be done :)
[03:29] <Riddell> yes, that's the idea
[03:29] <Tonio_> I assume the goal is to spend tha maximum time debugging... vista about to be released, I gess ;)
[03:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the two profiles will be ready for tomorrow evening
[03:30] <Tonio_> for konq
[03:30] <Tonio_> then I'll manage to finish the icon for mornfall, but that takes time...
[03:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: great
[03:32] <Tonio_> animation, is really something long....
[03:33] <Tonio_> hum last question, and then I'll leave you alone Riddell 
[03:33] <Tonio_> no next version of adept or dapper then ?
[03:33] <Riddell> I don't understand?
[03:34] <Tonio_> there is a second version of adept in the work
[03:34] <Tonio_> so I assume is there is a version frozing in two weeks, it'll not be ready
[03:34] <Tonio_> right ?
[03:35] <Riddell> adept isn't upstream
[03:35] <Riddell> so it follows feature freeze, string freeze etc
[03:36] <Riddell> it's an open question whether guidance is upstream any more
[03:36] <Tonio_> what do you mean by "isn't upstream" ?
[03:36] <Riddell> but upstream stuff doesn't follow the 6 month release cycle so we freeze that earlier (but e.g. gnome is excempt because it does)
[03:37] <Riddell> upstream is random packages we include, adept is made for kubuntu so it's not upstream
[03:37] <Riddell> see DapperReleaseSchedule
[03:38] <Tonio_> k
[03:38] <Tonio_>  ;)
[03:38] <Tonio_> so adept and guidance are exceptions, and can be improved even after the freeze
[03:38] <Tonio_> good news
[03:43] <Tonio_> going to bed, good night everyone
[04:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there anything in particular you want tested, at the moment?
[04:13] <Riddell> Hobbsee: testing daily CDs is always welcome
[04:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: *nods* - i was more meaning in terms of programs, but i'll look into that
[04:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you could be the first to test my kickarse port of hal-device-manager to kde
[04:16] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kde-hal-device-manager.tar.gz
[04:16] <Riddell> python DeviceManager.py
[04:21] <Hobbsee> could be fun, give me a min
[04:21] <seth_k|lappy> working for me, Riddell 
[04:21] <seth_k|lappy> the list on the side jumps around in size though, depending on the length of the text in the right panel, which is annoying
[04:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: oh yes, give displayconfig a try too
[04:30] <Riddell> in the new guidance
[04:40] <seth_k|lappy> it's in Ubuntu repos
[04:40] <seth_k|lappy> kde-guidance
[04:41] <Hobbsee> ok
[04:44] <Riddell> run through systemsettings
[04:45] <seth_k|lappy> there'll be a new "Display" option under Advanced
[04:45] <seth_k|lappy> btw Riddell, it uses the wrong icon. It should use the standard Display icon
[04:47] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: what does it use?
[04:47] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I'll screenshot
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> http://sethkinast.com/tmp/display.png
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> notice Display icon discrepancy
[04:52] <Riddell> yeah I've seen that
[04:52] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: fancy making up an icon made of that monitor with the X logo on the screen?
[05:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: where?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-home.html
[05:05] <Hobbsee> ah, you already did it!
[05:06] <Riddell> I did?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> looks like it
[05:06] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:07] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, that's right, cos i did mine on breezy - took me a while to figure out why i wasnt in the changelog!
[05:11] <seth_k|lappy> sorry about that, updatedb started and destroyed my computer
[05:11] <seth_k|lappy> couldn't even move the mouse
[05:12] <seth_k|lappy> what's a good nicelevel for updatedb? :/
[05:12] <Hobbsee> i feel like an idiot now...
[05:12] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, ? :(
[05:12] <Hobbsee> was in relation to the bit while you were away - i just tried to upgrade an already upgraded kmymoney2 :P
[05:12] <seth_k|lappy> ah
[05:13] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[05:13] <seth_k|lappy> happens to all of us
[05:13] <seth_k|lappy> I've done it several times
[05:15] <seth_k_> blast it all
[05:15] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, here's that icon for you
[05:17] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, http://www.sethkinast.com/tmp/display/
[05:19] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, did Riddell bed?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: dont know, he didnt say so
[05:23] <seth_k|lappy> speaking of icons the new Katapult icon is six-ways-from-Sunday ugly
[05:26] <Hobbsee> it is!
[05:26] <Hobbsee> down with that horrible icon1
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> yell at Mez for it, it was his choice to change it
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> the old one was like 1000x better
[05:28] <seth_k|lappy> at least
[05:29] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: the old KDE one or the old catapult one?
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, it was like an old medieval catapult
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> that one
[05:29] <seth_k|lappy> btw that displayconfig icon is linked above, don't know if you saw it
[05:30] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: thanks for icon, will put it in SVN tomorrow
[05:30] <Riddell> can someone test this for sanity?  http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde-hal-device-manager.tar.gz
[05:32] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde-hal-device-manager_0.1.tar.gz rather
[05:32] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:32] <Hobbsee> first one was 404'd
[05:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: stupid question, but how do i install it?  just untar it to a specific place, or compile it?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> hmmm...not compiling...no make file...
[05:41] <Riddell> just untar
[05:41] <Riddell> and run ./kde-hal-device-manager
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ah ha!
[05:42] <Hobbsee> Riddell: works nicely - what are we testing for?
[05:42] <Riddell> just sanity :)
[05:44] <Hobbsee> looks good to me
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yep, looks fine to me
[05:45] <Riddell> groovy
[05:45] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> looks good to me to
[05:49] <seth_k|lappy> too
[05:53] <Riddell> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33315 ta da
[05:54] <seth_k|lappy> yay
[05:57] <Riddell> wonder if the hal maintainer will accept it
[05:57] <Riddell> however, time for bed
[06:01] <seth_k|lappy> isn't it 5am there Riddell ?
[06:16] <Hobbsee_away> yay Riddell!
[06:16] <Hobbsee_away> bed?  nah!
[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> wb Hobbsee :)
[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> I was going to merge the new superkaramba
[07:39] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1395 :)
[01:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: should I repackage YaKuake and provide a patch for https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/yakuake/+bug/3209 ?
[01:49] <Riddell> jpat|away: is it possible to set an alternative shortcut so there are two?
[01:55] <Riddell> can anyone recreate the timezone problems this guy is having? http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/8916
[01:55] <Riddell> I use the timezone kcontrol module and it sets /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime fine
[01:56] <Riddell> I have breezy CDs!
[01:57] <apokryphos> woot
[01:58] <Riddell> if anyone wants some e-mail jriddell@ubuntu.com with your postal address
[01:59] <apokryphos> Riddell: are these live/installs or both?
[01:59] <Riddell> apokryphos: just install I'm afraid
[02:00] <apokryphos> I often just burn them for friends, but would be nice to have some more professional ones. 
[02:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: not sure
[02:21] <jpatrick> Riddell: It's possible
[02:22] <jpatrick> yes!!
[02:23] <jpatrick> Riddell: AccessKey=F11;F12 ?
[02:30] <jpatrick> hmm.. howto patch it...
[02:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: dunno, does it work?
[02:34] <Riddell> jpatrick: that accesskey will be set somewhere in the code, grep for F12
[02:34] <jpatrick> now there's any idea...
[02:35] <Riddell> although I don't know how you set alternative keys by default
[02:36] <jpatrick> You choose Change Access Key in the menu
[02:38] <jpatrick> ok I've found it in the code
[02:39] <Riddell> yeah I mean don't know how to set them in the code
[02:39] <Riddell> must be possible though
[02:39] <jpatrick> times like this when I wish my C++ skills were better
[02:40] <Riddell> Lathiat: poke
[02:43] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491683
[02:43] <jpatrick> I can only think of changing that Key_F12
[02:43] <Lathiat> Riddell: yo
[02:44] <Riddell> Lathiat: CDs are here, shall I send them to your .au address?
[02:44] <tvo> jpatrick: try duplicating lines 4-6 with Key_F11
[02:45] <jpatrick> yes, sir
[02:45] <tvo> maybe rename the second instance to "Access key 2"
[02:45] <tvo> ;)
[02:59] <jpatrick> tvo: excellent it works
[03:00] <tvo> cool :)
[03:00] <jpatrick> now to create a .dif
[03:00] <jpatrick> .diff*
[03:17] <jpatrick> how do I apply a .diff.gz to a dir?
[03:29] <JRe> anyone has already try to compile kdelibs4_snapshot with breezy ?
[03:42] <Riddell> jpatrick: .diff is made when running debuild
[03:42] <Riddell> you put the .orig and .diff together with dpkg-source -x foo.dsc
[03:42] <jpatrick> oh yeah - I forgot
[03:43] <Riddell> jpatrick: look at the docs for KGlobalAccell and its parents, there must be a method for setting the accellarator and alternative
[03:52] <jpatrick> yes, sir
[04:05] <jpatrick> Riddell: is this a valid .diff? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491781
[04:06] <jpatrick> that's kubuntu_01_yakuake.diff^
[04:09] <Riddell> jpatrick: yeah, that's one way to do it :)
[04:09] <jpatrick> I'm reading the developer docs
[04:15] <freeflying> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491794 
[04:15] <freeflying> kde3.5 crash under breezy
[04:16] <jpatrick> Riddell: YaKuake fix waiting upload: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1398
[04:16] <Riddell> freeflying: caused by what?
[04:16] <Riddell> Mez: poke, can you apply jpatrick's yakuake fix upstream please
[04:17] <Riddell> freeflying, jpatrick etc, want any kubuntu CDs?
[04:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'll have some (to share out :) )
[04:18] <jpatrick> Riddell: only parent KGlobalAccel has is QObject (according to the API reference)
[04:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: e-mail jriddell@ubuntu.com with your post
[04:19] <Riddell> postal address
[04:19] <jpatrick> right
[04:19] <freeflying_> Riddell: can not find the reason  of konqueror's crash
[04:20] <jpatrick> freeflying_: it'll probably be fixed in 21 days
[04:20] <jpatrick> KDE 3.5.1!!
[04:20] <freeflying_> Riddell:  kubuntu cd is aailiable now ?
[04:20] <_jjesse> is that from shipit?
[04:20] <jpatrick> _jjesse: no Rideel
[04:20] <freeflying_> jpatrick: in breezy ?
[04:21] <jpatrick> freeflying_: Think so
[04:21] <jpatrick> Riddell*
[04:21] <freeflying_> jpatrick: dose there any works on kde-4 now ?
[04:22] <jpatrick> freeflying_: pardon?
[04:23] <freeflying_> Riddell: how can we get kubuntu cd 
[04:23] <jpatrick> freeflying_: by sending your address to him
[04:23] <freeflying_> jpatrick: how about kde-4 for kubuntu 
[04:24] <jpatrick> freeflying_: has to be released first
[04:24] <Riddell> freeflying_: I have kubuntu breezy CDs, send me your postal address to jriddell@ubuntu.com and let me know if it's for just you or a LUG/workplace etc
[04:25] <freeflying_> Riddell: how many CDs can I get 
[04:25] <Riddell> freeflying_: I have 8000, but you can't have all of them
[04:25] <jpatrick> wow
[04:26] <jpatrick> Riddell: where's Kubuntu Express being developed?
[04:26] <freeflying_> Riddell: a community in china have asked me for CDs to distribute them all over the universities in China 
[04:26] <Riddell> jpatrick: it's not yet, but colin is starting work on ubuntu-express so it'll happen soon
[04:27] <Riddell> freeflying_: excellent, how many do you think would be useful?
[04:27] <jpatrick> Riddell: ok - I'm just interested in helping out
[04:27] <freeflying_> Riddell: may be as much as you can 
[04:28] <Riddell> jpatrick: cool, I'll let you know when it starts
[04:28] <Riddell> freeflying_: big box of 500?
[04:29] <freeflying_> Riddell: 1K ?
[04:29] <jpatrick> freeflying_: that ought to wipe out Microsoft there
[04:29] <freeflying_> jpatrick: hmmm
[04:29] <Riddell> freeflying_: how many universities would you send them to?
[04:30] <freeflying_> Riddell:  there are about 28 province in china , and each province have member in the community I mentioned above 
[04:31] <freeflying_> Riddell:  every province has about 10-20 universities 
[04:32] <Riddell> freeflying_: can you e-mail your postal address (where you can accept a large box) to jriddell@ubuntu.com
[04:32] <Riddell> I need to check with the post office if they can send something like one or two of these large boxes
[04:32] <freeflying_> Riddell:  sure . Will canoncial  provide us the shipping fee 
[04:33] <Riddell> freeflying_: you're China (people's republic) yes?
[04:33] <freeflying_> Riddell: y
[04:34] <Riddell> freeflying_: they'll provice me with the shipping fee, if you can get me high res photographs of receipts they should reimburse me assuming I can find a way to transfer the money back to you
[04:34] <Riddell> s/provice/provide/
[04:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: but this isn't shipit so no postings below the small boxes (around 90 in each box)
[04:35] <freeflying_> Riddell:  no problem 
[04:35] <jpatrick> Riddell: no postings below 90?
[04:36] <jpatrick> yo seth_k|lappy 
[04:36] <Riddell> freeflying_: how could I get money back to you?  I've no idea how chinese currency works
[04:36] <seth_k|lappy> hey hey jpatrick 
[04:36] <Riddell> jpatrick: I can do smaller postings to kubuntu and KDE developers but this isn't shipit so I need to limlit those
[04:36] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: I've provided a patch for the yakuake bug
[04:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: will pay me into my credit card
[04:37] <seth_k|lappy> sweetness jpatrick, is it ppc-only (so that everybody else keeps their nice F12)?
[04:37] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: yes
[04:38] <jpatrick> Riddell: I have no money <- will that be a problem?
[04:38] <seth_k|lappy> jpatrick, all you need is loooooove
[04:38] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: Keys are now F12 and F11
[04:38] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: let's just hope F11 isn't the self-destruct button for PPC
[04:39] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[04:39] <seth_k|lappy> so we should ship a default yakuakerc for ppc only
[04:40] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: I actually patched the source code...
[04:41] <seth_k|lappy> jpatrick, to enable F11 && F12 at all times on all arches?
[04:42] <freeflying_> Riddell:  you'd better pay the custom revenue 
[04:42] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: yeah...
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> or to do the happy thing and F11 -> PPC && F12 -> everything else
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> hmmm
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> that's not ideal
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> don't want to waste another accesskey for 386 etc. users
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> meh, I dunno
[04:43] <Riddell> freeflying_: there shouldn't be any since they're 0 value but if it happens and you can get me a high res photo of the receipt that should be fine
[04:45] <jpatrick> Riddell: I'll only need a few I think
[04:45] <seth_k|lappy> I'm off for a bit jpatrick; I would suggest investigating the arch-dependent targets in debian/rules and adding a ppc rule to install a custom yakuakerc for ppc only :)
[04:45] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: there is no yakuakerc in the src
[04:46] <seth_k|lappy> jpatrick, that's okay; add one in debian/ and then include a rule to copy it to the correct place
[04:46] <jpatrick> I thought I could do that
[04:46] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, polyester got into archive last night, so I was inspired to do another ;) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1395
[04:47] <freeflying_> Riddell:  If they need ,I 'll contact you 
[04:48] <jpatrick> seth_k|lappy: only yakuakerc goes to ~/.kde/share/config/
[04:48] <jpatrick> nowhere else
[04:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: are these free?
[04:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: the CDs?  yes
[04:49] <jpatrick> oh goody
[04:50] <Riddell> jpatrick: just send me your credit card number for age verification :)
[04:50] <jpatrick> ain't got one
[04:50] <_jjesse> he also needs social security # if you have one of those and date of birth
[04:51] <Riddell> jje: want any CDs?
[04:51] <jje> Riddell: just sent you an email
[04:51] <jpatrick> So I suppose I'm stuck...
[04:53] <Riddell> jjesse: cool, go it
[04:53] <Riddell> jpatrick: I'm joking, please e-mail me your postal address and I'll send you some out at no cost
[04:53] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: want CDs?
[04:55] <jpatrick> Riddell: sent
[04:55] <jpatrick> :)
[04:57] <Riddell> jpatrick: just for you or do you have a LUG/workplace to hand them out?
[04:58] <jpatrick> I could go around giving them out
[04:58] <jpatrick> Gotta a school to pillage as well
[04:59] <jpatrick> and there's the LoCo group
[05:00] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, fun!
[05:00] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, e-mail CC number, or just query
[05:01] <seth_k|lappy> oh, you'll need my address too
[05:01] <seth_k|lappy> oh, and you don't want cc number either
[05:01] <seth_k|lappy> too early here...
[05:01] <seth_k|lappy> ...can't take humour...
[05:01] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: e-mail postal address, let me know if it's just for you or if you want a box to hand out
[05:02] <Riddell> jriddell@ubuntu.com
[05:04] <seth_k|lappy> sent
[05:06] <jpatrick> how big are the boxes?
[05:06] <Riddell> jpatrick: 2kg, about 30cmx15cmx15cm
[05:06] <jpatrick> woohoo
[05:08] <seth_k|lappy> whew, 4.5 pounds and a foot by half a foot
[05:08] <seth_k|lappy> that's a big box
[05:08] <jpatrick> could leave some at the nearest computer store
[05:09] <Tonio_> hi all
[05:09] <seth_k|lappy> college campuses are the best place ever for Linux CDs
[05:09] <jpatrick> hey Tonio_ 
[05:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: question concerning the profiles in konq
[05:09] <seth_k|lappy> people like anything free, and lots of them are crazy enough to try a wacky CD with dragons on the front
[05:10] <Tonio_> do you want the standard toolbar and address bar on the same line ?
[05:10] <Tonio_> because that causes an issue...
[05:11] <Tonio_> If I do that, I can't use the "context" toolbar
[05:11] <Tonio_> that adds buttons of kdpf while browsing a pdf file for example
[05:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes I do
[05:13] <Riddell> why can't we have a separate context toolbar?
[05:13] <Riddell> jpatrick: what are the accents in Carrer Del Tur? De Can Pon?
[05:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that depending of the kpart in use
[05:14] <Tonio_> the bar will go from empty to full....
[05:14] <Tonio_> not very easy to place ;)
[05:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: Turo <- accent going to the right
[05:14] <jpatrick> Riddell: Ponc <- little tail like thing
[05:15] <jpatrick> wait a tic
[05:15] <Riddell> cedila :)
[05:15] <Riddell> acute or grave on the o?
[05:16] <Riddell> acute goes up
[05:16] <jpatrick> acute
[05:17] <Riddell> Davies isn't a very Catalonian sounding name
[05:17] <jpatrick> Riddell: that's because I'm British
[05:20] <jpatrick> Riddell: Quarter Welsh, 3/4 English
[05:31] <wambaugh> morning all
[05:34] <Tonio_> hum Riddell last question, are we obliged to have the same rc file for all profiles ?
[05:34] <Tonio_> actually there is only one
[05:34] <Tonio_> konq-kubuntu.rc
[05:35] <Tonio_> I think it could be interesting to make a difference between the filemanagement profile and the web browsing one
[05:35] <Tonio_> don't you ?
[05:36] <JRe> Tonio_: IIRC, it needs some design modification in Konqueror's code to do so
[05:36] <JRe> Tonio_: not all parameter are stocked in the profile
[05:39] <Tonio_> the menu structure is in a file
[05:40] <Tonio_> but curently, it is the same for all profiles
[05:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: do play around with it but I suspect that would cause more confusion for users than anything else
[05:40] <Tonio_> hum........
[05:41] <Tonio_> options usefull for filebrowsing activated with the filebrowsing profile, but not with the web profile...
[05:41] <Tonio_> well, that doesn't sound confusing to me
[05:41] <Tonio_> let's make a test....
[05:41] <Tonio_> if it is not god, let's forget
[05:48] <Riddell> JRe, Tonio_: want some CDs?
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not ;)
[05:49] <jpatrick> Riddell: someone's making a http://www.kubuntu-es.org
[05:52] <JRe> Riddell: yes, with pleasure :)
[05:55] <Riddell> Tonio_, JRe: e-mail your postal addresses to jriddell@ubuntu.com, say if it just for you or if you want a bunch for LUGs etc
[05:55] <JRe> Riddell: ok thanks!
[05:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks, I'll do toonight ;)
[05:59] <jpatrick> Riddell: in kubuntu.org/packages the lastest-* ones was that idea from me?
[06:05] <Riddell> jpatrick: not sure, various people were asking for it
[06:08] <jpatrick> Riddell: maybe: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=2179.0
[06:22] <jpatrick> lmms: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1280
[07:27] <Riddell> who is volker loechte?
[07:27] <Tm_T> never heard
[07:27] <jjesse> me either
[07:27] <Tm_T> hmm, maybe mailing lists know him
[07:28] <Tm_T> nope
[07:29] <Riddell> he just sent me an e-mail asking for breezy CDs so he must be on this channel!
[07:31] <Riddell> ah hah, Kabelkasper
[07:34] <Tm_T> :)
[07:34] <jjesse> still haven' heard from him
[07:35] <Tm_T> kaapelijaska
[07:36] <Riddell> just had to write one of those German double s beta symbols for the first time in my life, quite breaks the flow of joined-up handwriting
[07:40] <hunger> Riddell: It is not too bad once you get used to it.
[08:27] <hunger> daniels: I noticed some trouble with some of the X manpages yesterday.
[08:28] <hunger> daniels: They got moved from man3x to man3 but the .so entries still point to man3x/whatever.
[08:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: can you accept my lmms? Needs one more MOTU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1280
[09:03] <Riddell> jpatrick: there's already an lmms from debian now I'm afraid
[09:04] <jpatrick> ah too late :(
[09:04] <jpatrick> you could poke kcontrol-kdmtheme: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1380 :)
[09:13] <jpatrick> Riddell: maybe we could move it to guidence...
[09:16] <Riddell> jpatrick: guidance is python stuff only but it is a candidate for being on the CD
[09:16] <jpatrick> right
[11:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: I made a mistake in the address
[11:28] <jpatrick> Riddell: it's "Turo de Can Ponc 3"
[11:28] <jpatrick> (with the accents)
[11:29] <Riddell> jpatrick: too late!
[11:29] <jpatrick> and I'd like a box to share out
[11:29] <jpatrick> crap
[11:29] <jpatrick> they'll have to track down a Jonathan Patrick Davies
[11:33] <jpatrick> better go now
[11:33] <jpatrick> night guys
[11:33] <sealne> Riddell: how are venue discussions going?
[11:35] <Riddell> sealne: discussion seems to have run out but the guy organising it says he's not asking for a vote yet
[11:35] <Riddell> I think I'll ask why not
[11:36] <sealne> how's it looking?
[11:36] <Riddell> people haven't expressed much preference for specific places other than "not US"
[11:36] <sealne> heh
[11:36] <sealne> does that include quebec?
[11:37] <Riddell> no, quebec isn't in the US :)
[11:37] <sealne> yes i know that :P
[11:37] <sealne> i've driven past it and i have no intention of going to the us so, i'm fairly certain it isn't in the US :)