[12:07] <apachelogger> sas171: :(
[12:07] <apachelogger> I thought suse used it
[12:08] <gerardocb> does anybody has experience with raki & vdccm?
[12:13] <teclis> hi, I have a problem an annoying problem with kde and usb-sticks. If I plug the usb in, konqueror opens a windows with error message "media:/sda1 not found". The stick is mountet correctly under /media/usbstick. How can I fix this problem? Has anyone a link or a hint?
[12:17] <divansantana> teclis:What version of kde? Have you updated yet to latest fixes??
[12:18] <teclis> divansantana: version 3.4.3
[12:18] <teclis> divansantana: with latest fixes, you mean apt-get update? yes
[12:20] <divansantana> teclis: I think apt-get update with apt-get dist-upgrade should fix it, it did for me. But I am running kde3.5 with no probs in that area...
[12:20] <kkathman> kde 3.5 wont have any impact on that issue I dont believe :)
[12:20] <teclis> divansantana: thanks, I will try it.
[12:21] <kkathman> but teclis you should update and run your adept updater to get any updates outstanding if you havent
[12:23] <xwolf-> how do i change folder write permissions?
[12:24] <apachelogger> xwolf-: right click an -> tab permissions
[12:24] <apachelogger> *and
[12:24] <pablet> hello
[12:25] <pablet> i have a doubt
[12:25] <xwolf-> apachelogger, it says Owner: root and everything, but i can't edit anything on that tab
[12:26] <apachelogger> xwolf-: where's the folder?
[12:26] <pablet> When i plug my pendrive i can't see the free  disk space in "info meta" tab of properties dialog
[12:26] <pablet> but when I do this with others, i can see the free disk space in this tab
[12:26] <pablet> anyone can help me please?
[12:26] <xwolf-> apachelogger, /var/www
[12:27] <apachelogger> xwolf-: f4 -> konsole starts -> chown [username] :[username]  [foldername] 
[12:27] <apachelogger> command of course without the []  of course
[12:27] <apachelogger> -of course ;-)
[12:29] <mcscruff> help meeeeeeeeeee
[12:29] <mcscruff> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/490998
[12:39] <nagyv> Hello! I have a problem with my pcmcia wireless card. It is recognized in the Network Settings, but I can not enable it. Before it was working properly, and I don't know about anything special, that could harm it. Could someone help me, how to find out the source of the problem?
[12:42] <stuart_> How do you block all incoming private messages in IRC?
[12:43] <bodisafa> anyone running bitchx?  I can't seem to get it to compile
[12:43] <Hobbsee> stuart_: tell the people not to send you private messages?
[12:43] <bodisafa> hehe
[12:43] <Hobbsee> bodisafa: what errors with the compiling?
[12:43] <musashiden> iam having a little problem with my i810 graphic drivers being recognised to the opengl
[12:44] <musashiden> my Xorg recognises the i810 graphics just fine, but opengl recognises it as a Mesa Driver
[12:45] <musashiden> anybody?
[12:45] <bodisafa> errors during make
[12:45] <bodisafa> sec I'll paste
[12:50] <jahshua--> bodisafa im using it
[12:50] <jahshua--> i didnt compile it from source though
[12:51] <bodisafa> hmm
[12:51] <bodisafa> i'd paste the error but its kinda big
[12:52] <jahshua--> use ubuntu pastebin
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[12:52] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[12:52] <bodisafa> nice
[12:52] <Hobbsee> very :)
[12:53] <jahshua--> hehe
[12:53] <jahshua--> bodisafa why not just get it from the repo
[12:55] <bodisafa> pasted
[12:56] <Hobbsee> bodisafa: link?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> bodisafa: do not run as root!  logout as root, and then try making again
[01:01] <bodisafa> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6617
[01:02] <bodisafa> i can't figure it out and I've googled all over
[01:02] <bodisafa> thats pretty much the extent of my skills, haha
[01:06] <derekS> hello. i am planning an install of kubuntu on a headless machine. what is the best remote desktop protocol/server?
[01:06] <Hobbsee> bodisafa: you should not make things as root
[01:06] <Hobbsee> derekS: you would be talking about something like ssh?
[01:06] <derekS> Hobbsee: i considered forwarding my xserver, but i want to save sessions
[01:07] <derekS> so it would be better to use something like vnc or rdp
[01:07] <Grackle> I followed the instructions here to install KDE/kubuntu packages on my Ubuntu breezy install. When I boot, KDM starts but I return to the console without seeing a login screen. What do I need to do?
[01:07] <Grackle> here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE *
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Grackle: try logging in via the terminal, then "startx" - otherwise, sudo etc/init.d/kdm restart
[01:08] <Hobbsee> and see if it starts that way
[01:08] <bimberi> derekS: I use vnc.  freenx is also very good
[01:08] <derekS> bimberi: will vnc save sessions?
[01:09] <Grackle> Hobbsee, X starts, but I'm still in Ubuntu.
[01:09] <Grackle> s/Ubuntu/Gnome
[01:09] <Hobbsee> try the second command to get kdm to start?
[01:09] <Grackle> kdm did start
[01:09] <Hobbsee> you need to be able to specify which display manager you want to run - not sure how you can do it via console
[01:09] <Grackle> It's the default display manager.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> yeah, but stay going?
[01:10] <Grackle> lemme check
[01:10] <bimberi> derekS: you can disconnect and reconnect and it the session will be as you left it
[01:10] <Hobbsee> :D
[01:11] <Hobbsee> kkathman: coke's better though - not a lover of coffee
[01:11] <bimberi> derekS: not sure about 'saving sessions' though
[01:11] <derekS> bimberi: awesome, which vnc server are you using?
[01:11] <kkathman> Hobbsee: actually, did you know that apples are better for waking yourself up than coffee or caffeine?
[01:11] <derekS> bimberi: disconnect is what i needed
[01:11] <Hobbsee> no, but i'll have to remember that!
[01:12] <kkathman> Hobbsee: if you are partial to apples, that is :)
[01:12] <Grackle> Yes Hobbsee, kdm is running. Maybe I should exec KDE in my .xinitrc
[01:12] <Hobbsee> yeah, that'd probably help, i'm guessing
[01:12] <bimberi> derekS: vncserver (i had font problems with vnc4server and tightvncserver)
[01:15] <derekS> bimberi: interesting
[01:15] <derekS> i will do that :)
[01:15] <Grackle> Oh, here, I found my error. "libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[01:15] <derekS> my main machine is regular ubuntu, but i figure it can't hurt to play :)
[01:16] <derekS> cuz the vid card doesn't work on this machine, and it is a mobo problem not vid card
[01:16] <Grackle> Oh, hurr, I'm guessing I need to set up some kubuntu repositories to get that stuff?
[01:16] <bimberi> derekS: absolutely :)
[01:18] <Grackle> Nope, there are no kubuntu specific repos it seems. Where do I get that library? I've install libstdc++6...
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Grackle: sudo apt-get install libstdc++6 fix that error?
[01:18] <Hobbsee> er, oops
[01:19] <Hobbsee> Grackle: or libc6?
[01:19] <Grackle> It's already installed.
[01:19] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:21] <Set> I am lost. I really don't know what's wrong
[01:21] <Set> I can ping default gateway, but not internet, using ip adresses or dns
[01:23] <Set> Is there someone here who might be willing to help me? I'm desperate
[01:27] <jahshua--> hey can someone please tell Bodisafa about enabling multiverse and universe repositories and setting up a new sources list please :)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> !tell Bodisafa about source
[01:28] <Hobbsee> !tell Bodisafa about sources
[01:28] <Set> !tell Set about network
[01:28] <Hobbsee> the second one
[01:28] <Bodisafa> thanks! :)
[01:29] <Set> can someone tell Set what he's doing wrong? maybe help him troubleshoot a bit
[01:30] <jahshua--> !tell jahshua-- about sources
[01:30] <Set> "Network is unreachable"
[01:30] <Grackle> Set, other computers on the network can connect to the internet, correct?
[01:30] <Set> yes
[01:30] <sas171> how to disable this one-click-behavior in Konqueror?
[01:30] <Grackle> And the ubuntu box can connect to boxen on the LAN?
[01:31] <jahshua--> hmm whats the command to bring up ones current sources list ?
[01:31] <Set> I can ping all other clients on the network
[01:31] <Grackle> Does your network have a proxy?
[01:31] <jahshua--> i forget cause im on ubuntu now, just trying to help out Bodisafa
[01:31] <Set> no, I have a router and a router that is configured as a switch
[01:31] <Set> the box I'm on now is connected to the router that is configured as a switch, and online
[01:31] <Set> I can ping default gateway from the kubuntu box
[01:32] <Grackle> jahshua--, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:32] <Set> but nothing outside my lan
[01:32] <Grackle> jahshua--, down at the bottom it tells how to set it up in KDE
[01:32] <Grackle> Oh, you only have one other box?
[01:32] <Set> Default gateway is set to the IP adress of my gateway... and dns is set to the IP adress of my gateway, as it does dns forwarding.
[01:32] <jahshua--> k
[01:32] <jahshua--> Grackle thanks
[01:32] <Grackle> yw
[01:33] <Set> Grackle, myself, I have one other box, but my friends have 4 other clients connected to the same router
[01:33] <Set> I *know* it's not the networking hardware that's faulty
[01:33] <Grackle> Oh, I see.
[01:33] <Grackle> I was wondering for a moment if your modem couldn't handle multiple DHCP clients, but I guess it can (mine can't).
[01:33] <jahshua--> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  will that work also ?
[01:33] <Grackle> should
[01:34] <Grackle> Set, I dunno what to tell you. :|
[01:34] <Set> I use static IP adresses. and I don't have a modem... I have a D-Link DGL-4300 connected to a fiber connection :)
[01:34] <Grackle> Oh, badass. That is awesome/
[01:34] <Grackle> *.
[01:35] <Set> Grackle, I do support for networking devices for a living, so it's probably not something wrong with my networking hardware. I am unsure about the settings in kubuntu, though
[01:35] <jahshua--> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[01:35] <jahshua--> what to do in this situation ?
[01:35] <Grackle> Haha, okay I see. I really don't know what could be wrong. :|
[01:35] <Hobbsee> jahshua--: use kdesu kwrite
[01:35] <Hobbsee> !tell jahshua-- about kdesu
[01:35] <apokryphos> jahshua--: are you doing sudo kate or something?
[01:35] <jahshua--> so
[01:35] <jahshua--> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list  will that work also ?
[01:35] <jahshua--> thats what i was doing
[01:36] <Set> in kcontrol, I have gone to network settings, set default gateway to 192.168.0.1 (the IP adress to the router), Domain name server to 192.168.0.1, network interface eth0 to 192.168.0.65 (not in use by other clients), subnet mask to 255.255.255.0
[01:36] <Set> and pressed apply
[01:36] <jahshua--> sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:36] <Grackle> kdesu, not sudo
[01:36] <apokryphos> jahshua--: you're reasonably lucky you got that; you can seriously muck up permissions, dcop sockets, and your general /tmp directory all together by doing that.
[01:36] <jahshua--> k
[01:36] <Set> I can ping default gateway and all clients on the network. But I can't ping anything beyond the router
[01:36] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: i think it should
[01:36] <jahshua--> kdesu kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[01:37] <apokryphos> jahshua--: kate/kwrite/kedit
[01:37] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: as well as a warning about running as root, which should violate all help received...
[01:37] <Hobbsee> jahshua--: yes
[01:38] <jahshua--> :(
[01:39] <Set> I guess I'm out of luck then :(
[01:40] <Grackle> :|
[01:40] <Set> I was thinking it could be a fucked up nic. but then I shouldn't be able to ping local hosts
[01:40] <Hobbsee> Set: language please
[01:40] <Set> sorry sorry
[01:41] <Set> I'll try a D-Link nic :)
[01:44] <leafw> is there any keyboard shortcut to hide a-la-mac all open windows of a given application?
[01:46] <pablet> problem: after mounting my pendrive, I can't see the free disk space in pendrive in "info meta" tag, but with other pendrives I can see the free disk space
[01:46] <pablet> why this difference between one and another pendrive?
[01:47] <ingrato> hi
[01:47] <pablet> (both are fat32 formatted)
[01:47] <pablet> anyone can help me please?
[01:47] <ingrato> i need to download dhcp-client for my laptop, but I can't cause the internet doesn't work since I don't have an IP, how can I download dhcp-client from my windows box?
[01:48] <pablet> don't you have dhclient in linux?
[01:48] <ingrato> dhclient, not sure, let me check
[01:49] <pablet> sudo dhclient <interface>
[01:49] <ingrato> i don't have a dhclient executable
[01:50] <pablet> then i think i can't help you (im not an ubuntu expert)
[01:50] <pablet> but I think dhclient is only a script
[01:50] <Set> this is very frustrating
[01:50] <Set> I tried another nic now... same problem
[01:50] <ingrato> hmm, i just wanna download the dhclient program put it on my usb drive, and xfer it to my kubuntu laptop
[01:50] <leafw> ingrato: download the package manually from windows and then put it into a pendrive or CD to install in your ubuntu box.
[01:51] <pablet> probably you can download it from internet and execute it directly from the path where you have downloaded it
[01:51] <ingrato> how
[01:51] <pablet> (im not sure, but i think so)
[01:51] <ingrato> website
[01:51] <pablet> one moment
[01:51] <Set> anyone fairly experienced with kubuntu networking willing to help me? it's definatly user error
[01:51] <leafw> ingrato: you should be able to point an ftp client to the URLs listed in the /etc/apt/source.list
[01:51] <ingrato> leafw, what website to get dhclient
[01:51] <leafw> ingrato: check the URLs at your sources.list
[01:52] <ingrato> ok, gotcha
[01:53] <ingrato> I went to http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ but then where do I go into? dists?
[01:54] <Set> what is the ifconfig command to add a gateway?
[01:54] <leafw> explore ingrato, explore.
[01:54] <ingrato> i went to binary-i386, but it only have a packages.gz
[01:55] <ingrato> where's the actual program files
[01:55] <leafw> ingrato: if worse comes to worst, download the live CD, run it in your kubuntu machine, and fetch the proper package with apt-get -d, then reboot and install.
[01:55] <pablet> dhpcd?
[01:55] <ingrato> dhcpcd or dhclient or anything to get an ip via dhcp
[01:55] <pablet> or pump, ingrato?
[01:56] <pablet> i am asking you to execute this commands
[01:56] <ingrato> which
[01:56] <leafw> ingrato: the actual files are listed in that packages.gz, but I don't know whether it is in binary or readable.
[01:56] <pablet> there should be one of these three
[01:56] <ingrato> pump not there
[01:56] <ingrato> dhcpcd not there, nor dhclient
[01:56] <pablet> in your computer, not in ftp
[01:57] <ipn1nj4> Set: ifconfig eth0 --gateway=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[01:57] <ingrato> that's what I'm saying, they're not there
[01:57] <pablet> ok ok
[01:57] <pablet> sorry
[01:57] <ingrato> i did locate, and that didn't yield any results
[01:57] <Set> I fixed it
[01:57] <Set> thanks a lot
[01:57] <Set> me happy
[01:57] <ipn1nj4> np
[01:57] <ipn1nj4> =] 
[01:57] <Set> I just did "sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1"
[01:58] <ipn1nj4> Set: that'll work
[01:58] <Set> it did
[01:58] <Set> somehow kcontrol didn't save the default gateway for my interface
[01:58] <Set> any suggestions on a good ftp server for kubuntu that support sftp?
[01:58] <pablet> sorry ingrato, i have no more ideas now.....im not an expert.....but if something comes to my mind ill tell you
[01:58] <__Dwayne> hm...no traceroute in (k)ubuntu?
[01:59] <ipn1nj4> Set: i've always just used proftpd or vsftpd
[01:59] <angasule> __Dwayne: just get it from the repositories
[01:59] <pablet> but how have you installed ubuntu without installing a dhcp client??
[01:59] <ingrato> via cd?
[01:59] <ingrato> I dunno
[02:00] <__Dwayne> I meant, not installed by default..interesting..
[02:00] <ingrato> it gets an ip address when it's plugged into my network, but not via wireless card
[02:01] <pablet> well, connect to your network and apt-get install ........
[02:01] <pablet> (let me think the package where dhclient was)
[02:01] <ingrato> i can't
[02:01] <ingrato> cause i only have wireless at the moment
[02:02] <ingrato> ok, i did ifconfig eth1 up, and my nic stopped blinking, so it must've done something, but it doesn't have an ip address yet
[02:02] <pablet> do you have the live-cd or normal installation cd?
[02:03] <ingrato> no
[02:03] <pablet> bffff
[02:04] <pablet> one moment
[02:05] <ingrato> thanks...ill figure it out
[02:07] <pablet> ingrato, ix86?
[02:07] <pablet> im trying to find it in my system
[02:07] <pablet> the package name is dhcp3-client
[02:07] <dark_suic> pablet, Ingrato is gone...
[02:08] <pablet> ouch
[02:08] <xwolf-> i click on Administrator Mode, input the password, but nothing happens, why is that?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> pablet: is this in breezy or dapper?
[02:08] <pablet> now, can anyone help me please?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> xwolf-: use kdesu kcontrol instead - it's a known kde bug
[02:08] <pablet> what?
[02:08] <xwolf-> Hobbsee how do i do that?
[02:08] <pablet> i have breezy but i have not understood your question
[02:09] <Hobbsee> xwolf-: alt+f2, type "kdesu kcontrol" then hit enter
[02:09] <Hobbsee> pablet: what were you looking for?  to download that package?
[02:09] <dark_suic> pablet, what's your problem?
[02:09] <Hobbsee> pablet: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/net/dhcp3-client is the link to it, if you wanted to download it again
[02:10] <pablet> my problem is that when i plug my pendrive i can't see the free disk space in the "info meta" tab
[02:10] <pablet> but when i do with other pendrives, this info appears
[02:11] <pablet> and my question is, where has been made my pendrive? hehehe.....no, what's the difference with other pendrives?
[02:11] <pablet> is this a bug? a kernel bug??
[02:13] <dark_suic> don't think it is...
[02:13] <dark_suic> maybe your pendrive is strange :P
[02:13] <pablet> hehehee
[02:13] <pablet> fantastic, dark_suic
[02:13] <dark_suic> if it works with others, it would be strange that it's a kernel bug :P
[02:14] <dark_suic> i've seen with my own pendrive
[02:14] <dark_suic> that at university
[02:14] <dark_suic> i can't mount it but other friends can mount theirs
[02:14] <pablet> yes, its strange, because in older kernels, it told me that it was writing files, but everything was a joke
[02:14] <dark_suic> lol
[02:15] <dark_suic> well, maybe the dmesg / syslog output when u plug your pendrive can tell you something about it...
[02:15] <pablet> but now the behavior is correct, but i cant see the free disk in the "info meta" tag
[02:15] <pablet> very strange
[02:16] <pablet> and i opened kfreedisk and the free space that told me this program was not correct i think
[02:16] <_jeff> hey guys
[02:16] <dark_suic> u tried df?
[02:16] <pablet> df?
[02:16] <pablet> console?
[02:16] <dark_suic> yep
[02:16] <_jeff> does anyone know where to get konqueror plugins?
[02:16] <dark_suic> df command :P
[02:17] <pablet> let me see
[02:17] <_jeff> guys?
[02:17] <dark_suic> well, don't know _jeff maybe konqueror homepage?
[02:18] <dark_suic> google knows everything (almost)
[02:18] <_jeff> i tried there already
[02:18] <_jeff> lol i have checked google too
[02:18] <_jeff> im sure there are a couple out there
[02:18] <_jeff> how do you guys get new themes for your kubuntu?
[02:19] <dark_suic> mmm
[02:19] <dark_suic> don't use themes at all :P
[02:19] <pablet> the incorrect information about free disk space is something i have invented hehehe
[02:19] <Hobbsee> _jeff: kde-look.org
[02:19] <_jeff> i have tried kde-look, but all those themes require you to compile from source, which is hell
[02:19] <pablet> i have seen now free disk space and i have observed that its correct
[02:19] <dark_suic> loooool
[02:20] <Hobbsee> _jeff: not really - they shouldnt be that hard
[02:20] <_jeff> hobbsee: you dont have trouble compiling things from source?
[02:20] <pablet> well, i will have to open this program (df or kfreedisk) everytime i want to see free disk in pendrive
[02:20] <_jeff> hobbsee: how?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> not usually
[02:20] <dark_suic> well it's still strange you can't see them at  info meta tag, but at least df doesn't try to lie :P
[02:20] <Hobbsee> !compile
[02:20] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CompilingSoftware
[02:20] <Hobbsee> !+checkinstall
[02:20] <ubotu> from memory, checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[02:21] <_jeff> hobbsee: ok ill check it out.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> packaging with dh_make and all that can be a pain though lol
[02:21] <derekS> i am trying to create a remote desktop using my username and password that i can disconnect/recconnect from a session, can i do that with vnc/
[02:21] <pablet> heheeh kfreedisk is correct too
[02:21] <pablet> i have opened it and it has reported me the correct free disk space
[02:21] <dark_suic> i suposed
[02:21] <dark_suic> i think kfreedisk is a gui for df :P
[02:21] <pablet> but the info meta tag is on travel
[02:21] <pablet> on holidays hehehe
[02:21] <dark_suic> :P
[02:22] <dark_suic> and u say that with other pendrives it works?
[02:22] <dark_suic> it should be your pens fault!
[02:22] <dark_suic> :P
[02:23] <pablet> i dont think so because its formatted in fat32 as the others i have plugged
[02:23] <Set> hmm
[02:23] <dark_suic> well, maybe it has something strange with its controller chips?
[02:23] <dark_suic> xD
[02:23] <Set> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd start OK
[02:23] <pablet> but its true that this pendrive gave me problems with older kernels
[02:23] <dark_suic> it's quite weird, true
[02:23] <Set> sudo /etc/init.d/vsftpd stop --- no usr/sbin/vsftpd found running; none killed
[02:24] <pablet> strange
[02:24] <pablet> the problems i had in the past where very strange too and they get solved when kernel became newer
[02:25] <Set> strangeness
[02:26] <pablet> so, i will wait for the things to become solved theirselves...its not an important failure
[02:26] <pablet> but it is a bad point for usability
[02:27] <dark_suic> yep :)
[02:27] <s17e1> test
[02:27] <pablet> its not very good having to open a program to see wether i have space enough to copy one file from disk to pendrive when i have the correct folders opened in konqueror
[02:27] <dark_suic> well, i was going to say that kernel 2.6.15 has arrived, but now i remember that kubuntu won't probably add it to the official repos
[02:27] <s17e1> exit
[02:28] <pablet> ctrl-c---ctrl-v becomes ctrl-c open kfreedisk close ctrl-v
[02:28] <pablet> not very good
[02:29] <dark_suic> :P
[02:29] <dark_suic> for copy paste and similar i try to use konsole as much as possible...
[02:29] <pablet> but well.....i think some people would be happy if his problem was only this one
[02:29] <dark_suic> inside it, df are just 3 keys :P (d+f+enter)
[02:30] <dark_suic> yap
[02:30] <pablet> but i have executed df and it shows you the percentage used
[02:30] <pablet> but not the amount of free space
[02:31] <pablet> im lying ok ok
[02:31] <dark_suic> well, in %, it's just the difference
[02:31] <dark_suic> and it says in 1k blocks how many u have free :P
[02:31] <bimberi> pablet: "df -h" gives a more readable output
[02:31] <pablet> with -h things get right
[02:32] <pablet> excuse my poor english.....
[02:32] <pablet> please
[02:32] <dark_suic> i'm not english too :P
[02:32] <dark_suic> well, df -h makes a good alias for df :P
[02:32] <pablet> where are you from?
[02:32] <dark_suic> (alias df='df -h')
[02:32] <dark_suic> spain
[02:33] <pablet> vale, de puta madre
[02:33] <dark_suic> in english here (#kubuntu-es for spahisn, plz ;))
[02:33] <pablet> hehehe ok
[02:33] <pablet> i was looking for channel kubuntu-es but i think there was only 7 people there
[02:33] <dark_suic> yep, more or less :P
[02:34] <pablet> sorry im not registered, i cant send private messages
[02:35] <dark_suic> np :)
[02:35] <dark_suic> u can enter #kubuntu-es, with just 7 people it's just like a private :P
[02:35] <pablet> well, i have to leave, in your country its time to go to bed hehehe
[02:35] <dark_suic> yep :)
[02:35] <dark_suic> i will go... in about 3 hours :)
[02:35] <johndew> Any way to find out which user was the last to modify a file?
[02:35] <pablet> than you ok??
[02:35] <dark_suic> a lot of work to do yet
[02:36] <pablet> bye to all!!! bye darc_suic!!! thanks again
[02:36] <dark_suic> bye
[02:37] <johndew> isn't it possible to find out which user was the last to modify (write to a) file?
[02:38] <dark_suic> well, it should be possible
[02:38] <dark_suic> but i don't think it's easy
[02:38] <dark_suic> probably with a long command...
[02:39] <johndew> hmm
[02:39] <Drakeson> Riddell: ping
[02:40] <dark_suic> don't ask me what command, i'm too new for that :(
[02:40] <mr-russ> johndew: usually the last user now owns the file.
[02:43] <Riddell> Drakeson: hi
[02:43] <johndew> mr-russ: a group is owning it
[02:44] <mr-russ> a user still owns it.
[02:44] <johndew> ok, what's the command to check owner?
[02:44] <johndew> ls -l shows group
[02:44] <Drakeson> Riddell: do we have kdesvn-build in the repos? (apt-cache search kdesvn-build gives nothing)
[02:45] <Drakeson> It may be a good idea to have a apt-get-able kde build environment
[02:45] <mr-russ> johndew: I've never seen ls -l only show group.
[02:46] <Riddell> Drakeson: probably kdesdk-scripts
[02:46] <jorik> does kubuntu come with a firewall ?
[02:47] <johndew> mr-russ: -rw-rw-r--  1 www   www 900 Jan 4 19:00 fileName.php               www is a group
[02:48] <mr-russ> www is the user.
[02:48] <Set> I want a simple, normal ftp server that lets anonymous users upload to a directory called upload and gives the local users complete rights to all files in /home/ftp/ . is that too much to ask?
[02:48] <johndew> mr-russ: I just wrote to the file, and that's not my username ..
[02:49] <johndew> mr-russ: I guess it's set up that way though.. so it's written through this www user account
[02:50] <mr-russ> must have the user sticky bit set on the directory
[02:50] <mr-russ> no writing it through samba or anything fancy?
[02:51] <johndew> not sure .. I haven't set this thing up and I'm not very experienced either
[02:56] <stevenj> Got a question-I just installed kubuntu 5.10 (clean) updated then upgraded. reboot.  I just added "official" KDE 3.5 dep and updated.  Now Do I upgrade, dist-upgrade, or dist-upgrade -f???
[02:57] <derekS> exit
[02:57] <stevenj> packages are held back/removed/upgraded in all 3 cases; however kmail and some others are always held back.  what should I do? is this normal
[02:58] <dereks_> hey, i have breezy and tried to install avahi, but apt-get errors saying "/var/lib/dpkg/info/avahi-daemon.postinst: line 29: dbus-send: command not found"
[02:58] <dereks_> i am using breezy
[02:59] <dereks_> also, how stable are the kde3.5 packages on kubuntu.org
[02:59] <dereks_> is it worth upgrading?
[02:59] <Hobbsee> dereks_: they're fairly stable, yes
[02:59] <dereks_> Hobbsee: fairly?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> dereks_: well, some people have had a couple of problems, as happens with the "stable" 3.4.3 that's on your system now
[03:00] <Hobbsee> stevenj: dist-upgrade
[03:00] <dereks_> Hobbsee: woudl you reccomend upgrading?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[03:00] <dereks_> Hobbsee: done then :)
[03:01] <stevenj> Hobbsee, thanks! I suppose some packages are held back for good reason, I just dont enough to know what is normal. ;)
[03:01] <Hobbsee> no problems
[03:01] <stevenj> need to rb thanks
[03:02] <dereks_> Hobbsee: you know how to fix my avahi problem?
[03:03] <Hobbsee> dereks_: try sudo apt-get install dbus-1-utils
[03:03] <dereks_> Hobbsee: ok
[03:03] <vytautas> i can't install mozilla from a repository is this normal?
[03:04] <dark_suic> not at all...
[03:04] <dark_suic> errors?
[03:05] <vytautas>  mozilla: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[03:05] <vytautas> and two more such
[03:06] <vytautas> i changed repository to one that is 10+ times faster, and maybe they just haven't synced yet?
[03:06] <dereks_> Hobbsee: that worked
[03:06] <vytautas> may this be a reason?
[03:06] <Hobbsee> dereks_: :D yay!
[03:06] <dereks_> thanks :)
[03:06] <Hobbsee> no problems
[03:07] <Hobbsee> dereks_: found by apt-cache search dbus-send
[03:07] <Hobbsee> vytautas: what were the other dependancies?
[03:08] <vytautas> mozilla-mailnews and mozilla-psm
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[03:09] <Set> okay. I got vnc up and running
[03:09] <Set> this ist gout
[03:10] <vytautas> i just installed 5.10 and upgraded, should i restart?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> vytautas: just run a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade then try again
[03:11] <dereks_> is there a problem with zeroconf/avahi and kde3.5?
[03:12] <dereks_> because i get an error saying kpf can't use zeroconf
[03:14] <moshe> hello
[03:14] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:14] <vytautas> no, that doesn't work
[03:14] <moshe> does anyone know how to get mkisofs to create a dvd video image?  -dvd-video returns an error.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> !info mkisofs
[03:15] <dark_suic> anyone knows a program to copy copy-protected cds??? (i have an original about to break)
[03:15] <moshe> mkisofs says it's unable to create a dvd video image.
[03:16] <Set> now I'm testing if the box will boot without a keyboard and monitor connected
[03:17] <vytautas> ok, nevermind, i'll play abit
[03:19] <gate> I am looking for repositories with sun java and one for  gizmo
[03:19] <Set> how can I enable remote desktop at login prompt kdm?
[03:21] <bimberi> !javadebs
[03:21] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[03:21] <gate> Thank you for the java links
[03:22] <bimberi> gate: np :)
[03:22] <bimberi> !listvals gizmo
[03:22] <ubotu> Factoid search of 'gizmo' by value returned no results.
[03:22] <bimberi> :(
[03:22] <Set> !remote login
[03:22] <ubotu> Wish i knew, Set
[03:23] <Set> !remote desktop
[03:23] <ubotu> Set: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:23] <Liz> ok..i just installed kubuntu ...and it hasnt booted properly..how do i find out whats installed and whats not?..if i try to run X it says i dont have the authority to startx
[03:24] <gate> www.gizmoproject.com  1 cent/min sipp phone
[03:26] <rance> I have a problem with the xorg.conf file generated by the kubuntu install set
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !xfcg
[03:26] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I don't know, could you explain it?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> !xcfg
[03:26] <ubotu> rumour has it, xcfg is to reconfigure your xserver, open a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[03:28] <Hobbsee> rance: that help?
[03:29] <Set> anyone know how I can connect to my box when no-one is logged in... I want to connect to kdm and login from there
[03:29] <rance> well see, im waiting for it to ask me about my monitor resolution so I can hand enter the correct values, its almost never autodetected correctly
[03:29] <Liz> im stuck at a command line
[03:29] <bimberi> gate: you could try the debian installers at http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html
[03:30] <rance> has anyone used asterix pbx with a ubuntu core?
[03:32] <dark_suic> Liz, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:32] <gate>  (rance) Using a higher than probed color depth fixes my xorg.conf ie change 16 to 24
[03:34] <Set> !kdm
[03:34] <ubotu> Set: I give up, what is it?
[03:34] <Set> !vnc
[03:34] <ubotu> hmm... vnc is http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-36715.html http://www.tightvnc.com/docs.html
[03:35] <Liz> dark_suic: didnt work...says command not found
[03:35] <dark_suic> O__o
[03:35] <dark_suic> what command not found? sudo? kdm?
[03:35] <Liz> no...sudo : etc/init.d/kdm : command not found
[03:36] <dark_suic> ok
[03:36] <Hobbsee> Liz: add a "restart" on the end
[03:36] <dark_suic> etc/init.d/kdm?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[03:36] <bimberi> missing "/" before etc?
[03:36] <Liz> Hobbsee: nope..same error
[03:37] <dark_suic> yep
[03:37] <dark_suic> Liz,  what bimberi said
[03:37] <Liz> yes../ before etc
[03:37] <dark_suic> ok
[03:37] <dark_suic> then
[03:37] <bimberi> k
[03:37] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get install kdm
[03:37] <Liz> tried that..said it couldnt find it
[03:37] <dark_suic> O_o
[03:37] <Liz> tried sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..so many depends that it wouldnt install either
[03:38] <Liz> i downloaded the iso yesterday..burned it this morning following instructions on the wiki
[03:39] <xwolf-> i opened 'kdesu kcontrol' and it said KDE Version 3.4.something
[03:39] <xwolf-> how come?
[03:39] <Liz> i normally run ubuntu on it..but for some reason the discs i have arent working ..keep coming up with integrity errors..hence why i downloaded kubuntu to give it a go
[03:39] <dark_suic> what are your repositories?
[03:39] <] BreliC[> silly question... it's been so long since I"ve used KDE, I forget how to make Konqueror look like the split-pane Nautilus (or Windows Explorer) for File Management.  Anyone with a quick fix?
[03:39] <sas171> hi, how to install new windows decorations and control elements under kde? ... it was so easy under gnome.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ] BreliC[: view, view mode
[03:40] <] BreliC[> Hobbsee, yeah, but that doesn't add the pane on the left (the file tree)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> oh...that...
[03:40] <Hobbsee> um
[03:40] <Hobbsee> hit f9
[03:41] <Liz> dark_suic: not sure..let me check ..i just assumed it would use the cdrom repositories
[03:41] <Hobbsee> ] BreliC[: hit f9, and enjoy :)
[03:41] <] BreliC[> Hobbsee, haha, sweet!  thanks.  I had a whole thing going on that wasn't working (like split left/right, link them, lock one of them, etc)
[03:41] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:41] <dark_suic> Liz, it should, but...
[03:41] <dark_suic> strange things happen
[03:43] <Liz> what would happen if i just did a complete install again?
[03:43] <Liz> think it would add the files thats missing?
[03:43] <dark_suic> maybe...
[03:43] <dark_suic> but if first didnt work...
[03:43] <dark_suic> it may not work now too...
[03:43] <dark_suic> and it would be a BIG waste of time :)
[03:43] <xwolf-> Liz check the md5sum before
[03:44] <xwolf-> i learnt that the hard way
[03:44] <Liz> check the md5sum how what and what am im looking for in the md5sum?
[03:45] <xwolf-> well, the install cd integrity
[03:45] <xwolf-> actually, the install cd image integrity
[03:45] <xwolf-> got it?
[03:46] <Liz> xwolf-: i got 6 discs when they sent out free discs..i installed my system with it..dunno why 4 of them are not working now .
[03:46] <dark_suic> O___O
[03:46] <Liz> i tried to install the one before breezy...nothing
[03:47] <Liz> just kept coming up with integrity errors
[03:47] <Liz> so i tried slackware..and that works
[03:47] <Liz> but i dont want slackware on that system
[03:47] <xwolf-> Liz you downloaded kubuntu.iso, right?
[03:47] <xwolf-> (dont remember the full name)
[03:47] <Liz> yep..
[03:48] <xwolf-> so, did you check this kubuntu.iso integrity?
[03:48] <xwolf-> if you said errors happened...
[03:49] <Liz> there were no problems with this one...
[03:49] <Liz> it stopped half way through saying something about tools failing to install..but it continued on anyway
[03:49] <xwolf-> then ignore me... xP
[03:50] <Liz> and infinished the install so that i got to a command line..but im not good with command lines..unless i can find out what ive got to install to get it to work
[03:50] <Liz> properly
[03:50] <xwolf-> try installing it again :>
[03:50] <Liz> okie..ill get back to you when its done :)
[03:50] <xwolf-> if the same thing happens, the iso file is pro'ly corrupted
[03:50] <vytautas> just run kdm
[03:50] <xwolf-> dont get back to me, i'm a complete newbie :>
[03:51] <dark_suic> xwolf-, as most of us :)
[03:51] <dark_suic> but between we all we can do something :)
[03:51] <xwolf-> dark_suic no, i really am, at least at linux
[03:52] <dark_suic> me too, but we all have suffered with it
[03:52] <xwolf-> but i'm pretty acknowledged to disk images :P
[03:52] <xwolf-> yeah, i did suffer too
[03:52] <Liz> theres probably something you did xwolf- that could help.even if you are a newbie
[03:53] <Liz> and we all learn from sharing what we did to get it to work and what we didnt
[03:53] <xwolf-> like checking the md5sum before burning an image
[03:53] <xwolf-> that i learnt the hard way (read losing TONS OF DISKS)
[03:53] <vytautas> and maybe a disk is bad and than even if the image is good...
[03:53] <TJ_> Hello everyone, I'm having a slight problem with video in firefox/konqueror in Breezy. I really have no issue with using either browser... I used the mplayer plug-in in Hoary for Firefox and it worked like a charm...But there seems to be nothing like it for Breezy (and no Kubuntu Breezy guide). Can anyone help?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> TJ_: apt-cache search mplayer
[03:57] <TJ_> Thanks :)
[03:57] <Hobbsee> no problems
[03:58] <Liz> ok first error
[03:59] <Liz> "the debootstrap program exited with an error (return value 1) check /target/var/log/bootstrap.log for details"
[04:00] <Liz> its now installing the rest to an 'unclean' or previous setup that failed
[04:00] <dark_suic> Liz, that it's installing again?
[04:01] <Liz> it continued installing..yes
[04:02] <dark_suic> when i got an error installing debootstrap it locked completely
[04:02] <Liz> now its asking to install the kernel..i said linux-386 last install..and it still installed 2.6.12-9-386
[04:02] <Liz> any suggestions anyone?
[04:03] <xwolf-> when it asked me to install the kernel, that meant future problems (i had to reinstall)
[04:03] <Liz> whats the difference between 'linux-386' and 'linux-image-386'?
[04:03] <xwolf-> it should not ask you that Liz
[04:04] <Liz> true..ive never had the option before
[04:07] <bimberi> linux-386 depends on linux-image-386 which depends on linux-image-2.6.12-9-386
[04:11] <Liz> so i was right in just installing linux-image-2-6-..etc
[04:18] <dereks_> anyone here using samba with kubuntu?
[04:18] <bimberi> Liz: that should be OK, i don't think you'll get the restricted modules installed though - you can always install linux-386 later
[04:22] <Liz> i can dealw ith the restricted stuff later..its just getting a base install done..with at least a gui
[04:29] <dark_suic> dereks_, myself
[04:29] <Danl_nix> im having a gtk / synaptic problem
[04:29] <Danl_nix> when i run synaptic i get this problem:
[04:30] <Danl_nix> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6633
[04:30] <dereks_> dark_suic: can you help me? it isn't working right!
[04:30] <dark_suic> maybe
[04:30] <dark_suic> what's the matter?
[04:30] <dereks_> i installed samba and sambfs
[04:30] <dark_suic> yep
[04:31] <dereks_> i have system settings -> sharing -> file sharing set to simple sharing
[04:31] <dereks_> and i am ignoring the shared folders on the bottom
[04:31] <dereks_> right?
[04:31] <dereks_> i just wanna share my home directory
[04:31] <dark_suic> yep
[04:31] <dark_suic> (well, i suppose)
[04:31] <dereks_> ok, in allowed users i have all
[04:32] <dereks_> now i go to my gnome desktop across the room, and I try to browse to it
[04:32] <dark_suic> but with simple sharing u only allow each user to get his own directory... i think
[04:32] <dereks_> dark_suic: thats fine
[04:32] <dark_suic> u should login as the same user
[04:32] <dereks_> dark_suic: i am
[04:32] <dereks_> so far that sounds setup right
[04:32] <dereks_> right/
[04:34] <dark_suic> i think
[04:34] <dereks_> dark_suic: when i try to browse in nome, i enter just the ip, then it asks for authentication
[04:34] <dereks_> i put my username, domain i change to mshome, and my password
[04:34] <dereks_> and it fails
[04:34] <dark_suic> what error gives? (if any)
[04:35] <dandielionous> hello
[04:35] <dandielionous> I am trying to install kmymoney on kubuntu.
[04:36] <dandielionous> Everything that I look at in the installation instructions and instructions on the net doesn't work when I try to type it into a terminal window.
[04:36] <dereks_> dark_suic: just keeps showing me the login screen
[04:36] <dandielionous> I installed all the cvs stuff I could find.
[04:36] <dereks_> which makes me assume i am not authenticating correctly
[04:36] <dandielionous> Sorry I'm very new and confused.  I would appreciate a little help. :)
[04:37] <dereks_> dandielionous: apt-get install kmymoney2
[04:37] <dereks_> dandielionous: add a sudo in front of that
[04:37] <dandielionous> Do I have to be in the directory where kmymoney2 is installed?
[04:37] <dandielionous> not installed.
[04:37] <dandielionous> Sitting lol
[04:37] <dereks_> no
[04:38] <dereks_> i just told you how
[04:38] <dandielionous> okay.
[04:38] <dandielionous> sudo doesn't work.
[04:38] <dark_suic> dandielionous, just put sudo apt-get install kmymoney2
[04:38] <dandielionous> I had to add a password and I can get su to work.
[04:38] <dark_suic> dereks_, u tried a packet sniffer?
[04:38] <dark_suic> package sniffer?
[04:38] <dark_suic> ethereal for example
[04:38] <dandielionous> Okay ty I'm going to type that right now.
[04:38] <dandielionous> ty so much.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ooh, kmymoney2, that sounds familiar...
[04:39] <dereks_> dark_suic: hmm, nope
[04:39] <dereks_> that the only way?
[04:40] <dark_suic> don't think so
[04:40] <dark_suic> but could be a way...
[04:40] <dereks_> heh
[04:40] <dark_suic> don't know really mucho about this
[04:40] <dark_suic> but....
[04:40] <dark_suic> u tried nfs for gnome?
[04:40] <leftist> morning what can i do to install w32codecs
[04:40] <dark_suic> could be quite better ...
[04:40] <dark_suic> leftist, sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[04:40] <dereks_> dark_suic: i don't know how to set nfs up
[04:40] <dark_suic> they should be at universe/multiverse
[04:41] <dark_suic> dereks_, don't have a big idea... www.tldp.org could help A LOT
[04:41] <leftist> wow thank you dark_suic
[04:41] <dandielionous> Okay it says it can't find kmymoney2.
[04:41] <Danl_nix> neone?
[04:42] <stevenj> now I have to reinstall kubuntu a 3rd time.  Everytime I dist-upgrade KDE 3.5 it holds back kmail and others...then I do dist-upgrade again and it installs held back packages...then missing dependcies the dist-upgrade -f then klibmail crash with kmail..WHAT in the hell? how do I install Kubuntu with KDE 3.5 succesfully?
[04:42] <dereks_> dark_suic: why would that be better than samba anyways?
[04:42] <dereks_> dark_suic: i chose samba so i could view the files on my windows laptop also
[04:42] <Danl_nix> eh
[04:42] <Liz> ok that screwed up too..i have a feeling this hdd is dying on me
[04:42] <stevenj> I followed the instructions on the Kubuntu site
[04:42] <dark_suic> dereks_, samba is for sharing with windows, nfs with other unixs
[04:42] <dereks_> dark_suic: right
[04:43] <dereks_> i figured i should go for the more general solution
[04:43] <dark_suic> dereks_, a friend of mine told me that samba doesn't like his computer but nfs worked ok
[04:43] <ArthurB> Hi, I am having problems with the audicd kio plugin
[04:43] <dereks_> dark_suic: hmmm
[04:43] <stevenj> And another thing..backports amarok 2.3.7 and Kubuntu 2.3.7 should have the same damn name otherwise it reinstalls.
[04:43] <dereks_> dark_suic: session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[04:43] <ArthurB> it doesn't display every track and gives bogus track numbers 1,2,3,5...31
[04:43] <dereks_> how is that error
[04:44] <dark_suic> dereks_, what gives that error?
[04:44] <dereks_> smbclient -L hostname
[04:44] <dereks_> then i put my pass
[04:44] <dark_suic> ArthurB, it doesn't depend on the kio plugin, it's probably error from the cddb
[04:45] <leftist> Says it cannot find w32codecs
[04:45] <stevenj> has anyone installed KDE 3.5 with success...just dist-upgrade and everything installs perfectly?
[04:45] <dark_suic> dereks_, i was gonna tell you to write in konqueror smb:/, but if the other desktop is gnome nothing to do about it :(
[04:45] <dark_suic> leftist, u will probably have to add universe or/and multiverse repositories
[04:46] <dark_suic> stevenj, i'm using kde3.5 with no issues
[04:46] <dark_suic> just apt-get dist-upgrade and everything ok
[04:46] <dandielionous> Okay I went to the directory where I have
[04:46] <dandielionous> oops
[04:46] <leftist> a[t=get dist-upgrade
[04:46] <leftist> lol
[04:46] <leftist> opps
[04:47] <dandielionous> Okay I went to the directory where I have kmymoney2_0.8.1.orig.tar.gz and to the directory where I unzipped it.
[04:47] <dark_suic> leftist, that was for stevenj
[04:47] <dark_suic> :P
[04:47] <dandielionous> I typed in sudo alt-get install kmymoney2
[04:47] <leftist> well i need to probably anyway ;)
[04:47] <Liz> sigh..ok ive given up ..i think that hdd is screwed...so im gonna give it another go after i get another hdd
[04:47] <ArthurB> dark_suic: as a matter of fact the Information directory contains an error
[04:47] <Liz> thanks all for you help
[04:47] <dandielionous> It starts to do then it says it can't find the file?
[04:47] <ArthurB> yet CDDB works perfectly for kaudiocreator
[04:48] <ArthurB> or for kscd
[04:48] <dark_suic> O__o
[04:48] <dark_suic> let me see for a sec
[04:48] <dandielionous> Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
[04:48] <dereks_> dark_suic: smb:/ on the kde machine works!
[04:48] <dereks_> too bad the server is ALSO on that machine
[04:48] <dark_suic> dereks_, i know, it HAS to work :P
[04:48] <dereks_> dark_suic: why?
[04:49] <dark_suic> dandielionous, for sudo apt-get u don't need to download anything
[04:49] <dark_suic> but if you have downloaded it
[04:49] <dark_suic> once u unzipped it
[04:49] <dark_suic> ./configure ; make ; make install
[04:49] <dandielionous> okay
[04:50] <dark_suic> ArthurB, testing it with a cd of my own :P
[04:50] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic
[04:50] <dandielionous> Do I do that in the directory where it is at?
[04:50] <dark_suic> dereks_, kioslaves as smb:/, media:/ or audiocd:/ are for the moment in kde
[04:50] <dark_suic> yep
[04:50] <dark_suic> the directory where u unzipped it
[04:50] <dandielionous> apt- get must = application get mmmmm
[04:51] <dandielionous> Okay ty dark_suic
[04:51] <dark_suic> dandielionous, u should try to add repositories (universe and multiverse) to your sources.list
[04:51] <dark_suic> kmymoney is there almost for sure
[04:51] <dandielionous> Okay.
[04:52] <dandielionous> Is that something I can can from adept?
[04:52] <dereks_> dark_suic: could it be because from my other machine i can only ping by ip?
[04:52] <stevenj> dark_suic well did it hold back kmail becuase everytime I have installed kubuntu+KDE 3.5 it holds back kmail and its broken
[04:52] <dandielionous> I'm just trying to get past installing one simple little program so I understand what it takes to install applications.
[04:53] <dereks_> i tried pinging by hostname and hostname.domainname and it didn't work
[04:53] <dandielionous> I can't click on the .exe file now that I'm in linux and I have to learn how to do this.
[04:53] <dark_suic> dereks_, maybe, that means that dns won't work properly
[04:53] <dark_suic> or that you have to edit /etc/hosts
[04:53] <stevenj> dark_suic do you use backports?
[04:53] <dark_suic> stevenj, what repositorie u have for kde3.5?
[04:53] <dark_suic> official at kubuntu homepage?
[04:54] <stevenj> dark_suic yes
[04:54] <dark_suic> (kubuntu.org/package/kde3.5?
[04:54] <dark_suic> well, it hasn't given me any problems in about... 5 installs?
[04:54] <stevenj> dark_suic yes, with key installed
[04:54] <dandielionous> I take it repositories are files.
[04:54] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[04:54] <dandielionous> Or are they directories.
[04:54] <dark_suic> no, they aren't
[04:54] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic
[04:54] <dark_suic> repositories are webpages where you download  software
[04:54] <dark_suic> they're listed on /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:54] <dark_suic> in format
[04:54] <dandielionous> Okay.
[04:55] <dark_suic> deb address distro sections
[04:55] <stevenj> dark_suic can you tell me the exact steps you take when upgrading..I followed every instruction I have googled
[04:55] <dereks_> dark_suic: i just did that
[04:55] <dereks_> didn't help :(
[04:55] <dandielionous> <<<<furiously making notes.
[04:55] <dark_suic> then, u tell apt-get to install a program (sudo apt-get install program) and apt-get looks at addresses for it :)
[04:55] <dark_suic> stevenj,
[04:55] <dark_suic> clean kubuntu install
[04:55] <dark_suic> sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list (add kde3.5 and amarok1.3.7 repos)
[04:55] <yonkeltron> i can't seem to get the laptop battery monitor to show up in the system tray. i tried going to the laptop battery control in settings:/PowerControl and hitting the button but it doesn't seem to want to start
[04:56] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:56] <dandielionous> ty so much
[04:56] <dandielionous> I tried this:   cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/kmymoney2 login
[04:56] <dandielionous> and it didn't work
[04:56] <stevenj> dark_suic when you look at apt-get upgrade are you positive there are no packages held back?
[04:57] <dandielionous> I got it from here:  http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/index-install.html
[04:57] <dandielionous> All the instructions they tell me there doesn't work.
[04:57] <dark_suic> it doesn't held back any package for me... although i don't use kmail for example...
[04:57] <Hobbsee> there's an 0.8.2 of kmymoney?
[04:58] <stevenj> dark_suic that might be it...I bet it does'nt work
[04:59] <dark_suic> ouch
[04:59] <dark_suic> when i was going to tell arthur that audiocd worked for me he goes!
[04:59] <dark_suic> xD
[04:59] <leftist> those codecs are not in the respository
[05:00] <leftist> i did a serach for them and nothing. grr
[05:00] <dark_suic> leftist, they're probably on universe/multiverse (i have them installed)
[05:00] <dark_suic> u added them to your sources.list?
[05:01] <leftist> no i am new with ubuntu this is way diffferent from the versions of linux i used in the past other unix version from long ago. xenix an stuff.
[05:01] <leftist> to be honest i am lost
[05:01] <leftist> i knew SCO and stuff like that
[05:02] <leftist> it's so user friendly (lol) today
[05:02] <leftist> compared to the old ways anyway
[05:02] <dandielionous> bash make not found.
[05:02] <dandielionous> bash command make not found
[05:02] <dandielionous> Now what?
[05:02] <leftist> i'll just delete the wma file
[05:02] <leftist> later
[05:03] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[05:03] <dark_suic> dandielionous, sudo apt-get install make
[05:03] <xwolf-> sudo -wtf apt-get idunnoshitboutthis
[05:03] <dark_suic> and from now on, be prepared for the trouble, as u will have to google for almost every error the program gives :P
[05:03] <dandielionous> ty Hobbsee , dark_suic
[05:03] <dark_suic> xwolf-, loooool
[05:04] <dark_suic> that :P
[05:04] <xwolf-> :>
[05:04] <Hobbsee> dark_suic: you definetly want build-essential there - its' a metapackage for a lot of that stuff
[05:04] <dark_suic> yep
[05:04] <dark_suic> i didn't remember it
[05:04] <dark_suic> in fact
[05:04] <dark_suic> installed kubuntu yesterday since a lot of time using debian and i didn't remember it :P
[05:04] <dark_suic> i didn't have it installed
[05:05] <dandielionous> It's doing it! It's doing it! Something actually worked. lol :)
[05:06] <dandielionous> I'm doing build essential.
[05:07] <dandielionous> dandielionous@dandielionous:~/Programs/kmymoney$ ./configure; make; make install
[05:07] <dandielionous> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[05:07] <dandielionous> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:07] <dandielionous> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:08] <dandielionous> I hope that wasn't too bigger paste.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: did you get build-essential?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> it was, but ok
[05:08] <dandielionous> Yes I just did build essential.
[05:08] <Hobbsee> oh, you need ./configure
[05:08] <Hobbsee> then after that finishes, then do make
[05:09] <dandielionous> Okay ty Hobbsee.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> if you want to do them all in one hit, use ./configure && make && sudo make install
[05:09] <dandielionous> It says it can't find the package.
[05:09] <dandielionous> I tried sudo apt.get ./configure
[05:11] <dandielionous> Maybe I have to be root.
[05:13] <Hobbsee> you dont have to be root
[05:13] <dark_suic> :P
[05:13] <dandielionous> Okay I came out of being root.
[05:13] <dandielionous> :)
[05:13] <xwolf-> you are now the stem
[05:14] <xwolf-> ok, sorry, i just couldnt miss that one :P
[05:14] <dandielionous> root@dandielionous:/home/dandielionous/Programs/kmymoney# sudo apt-get ./configure
[05:14] <dandielionous> E: Invalid operation ./configure
[05:14] <dandielionous> root@dandielionous:/home/dandielionous/Programs/kmymoney# exit
[05:14] <dandielionous> exit
[05:14] <jahshua> hey how can i find out what location a program i need to use is in ??
[05:14] <dandielionous> I am a leaf.
[05:14] <dandielionous> Not even a stem. :)
[05:15] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: no...just run ./configure
[05:15] <Hobbsee> no sudo apt-get in front of it
[05:15] <dandielionous> okay.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> log out of root first...
[05:16] <dandielionous> ty Hobbsee .
[05:16] <Hobbsee> jahshua: locate blah
[05:17] <dandielionous> dandielionous@dandielionous:~/Programs/kmymoney$ ./configure; make; make install
[05:17] <dandielionous> bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[05:17] <dandielionous> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[05:17] <dandielionous> make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: why are you compiling kmymoney?
[05:17] <dandielionous> ty Hobbsee I locked out of root.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> i see that - much better!
[05:17] <dandielionous> I don't know what I'm doing.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> !info kymymoney
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:18] <dandielionous> I downloaded the file.
[05:18] <dandielionous> Then unzipped the file.
[05:18] <dandielionous> I see all these icons and can't use the program.
[05:18] <dandielionous> It hasn't installed.
[05:18] <dandielionous> Just unzipped.
[05:18] <seth_k|lappy> it is
[05:18] <seth_k|lappy> it's called 'kmymoney2'
[05:18] <dark_suic> it is in repos, but in universe multiverse
[05:18] <xtacocorex> i thought i remember seeing it there
[05:19] <dark_suic> where was the guide to add them to the repos?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> !+repos
[05:19] <dandielionous> Okay so it's in repos.
[05:19] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[05:19] <xtacocorex> they should be in the sources.list, just uncomment them
[05:19] <Hobbsee> which version is in the repos?
[05:19] <xtacocorex> don't know
[05:19] <dark_suic> kmymoney2
[05:19] <dark_suic> 1 seg
[05:19] <Hobbsee> dark_suic: apt-cache show kmymoney2
[05:20] <dark_suic> i know :P
[05:20] <Hobbsee> :P cool
[05:20] <dark_suic> 0.8.6
[05:20] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[05:20] <dark_suic> xD
[05:20] <xtacocorex> that's a knifty command Hobbsee
[05:20] <Hobbsee> it's very useful!
[05:20] <dark_suic> yeah!
[05:20] <dandielionous> Okay I clicked on both those url.
[05:20] <dark_suic> apt-cache search and show (don't know more about apt-cache, but think they're ... wow :P)
[05:21] <Hobbsee> definetly!
[05:21] <dark_suic> !easysource
[05:21] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[05:21] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: you want the last url there
[05:21] <dandielionous> ty Hobbsee
[05:21] <dark_suic> yeah!
[05:21] <dandielionous> ty ubotu
[05:21] <dark_suic> i didn't know it, it's really great!
[05:22] <dandielionous> So all the work that I did finding the right file to download and learning to unzip it was for nothing?
[05:23] <dandielionous> Of course I did learn a lot.
[05:23] <dark_suic> it's useful when it's not on the repositories
[05:23] <dandielionous> Is there a reason I can't install the one I have?
[05:23] <dark_suic> but apt-get and repositories are the easiest (and better) way to install new software
[05:23] <dandielionous> Well, learning about the repositories is very useful too.
[05:23] <dark_suic> ...
[05:23] <dandielionous> ty for that information.
[05:23] <dark_suic> and with 17000+ packages, u have all that u need
[05:24] <dandielionous> In the repositories?
[05:24] <dandielionous> Okay then I just have to learn how to install from the repostitories and the links that ya'll gave me will teach me that?
[05:24] <dark_suic> yeah
[05:24] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic
[05:24] <dandielionous> ty everyone for all your help.
[05:25] <dark_suic> i dunno if there is a kubuntu apt-get guide, but you could have a look at www.debian.org and look there for howto apt-get
[05:25] <dandielionous> Sorry if I've monopolized the conversation.
[05:25] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic .
[05:25] <dark_suic> nevermind, we are here for giving help
[05:25] <Hobbsee> !apt-get
[05:25] <ubotu> apt-get is probably at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/
[05:25] <dark_suic> ok :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> dandielionous: you shouldnt have to compile stuff, usually
[05:26] <dark_suic> i didn't know, i used debian apt-get howto
[05:26] <dandielionous> Okay I'm bookmarking all the pages now and then going to study.
[05:26] <dandielionous> That's the main reason I switched from Mandrake linux which I used for three weeks.
[05:26] <dandielionous> I couldn'
[05:26] <dandielionous> I couldn't figure out how to install things.
[05:26] <dandielionous> And I couldn't have someone hold my hand the whole way.
[05:27] <dandielionous> And I didn't want to spend two years figuring out how to use the program.
[05:27] <dandielionous> lol
[05:27] <dark_suic> :P
[05:27] <dandielionous> ty I think I have enough information now to confuse myself for a little while.
[05:27] <dandielionous> I'll see ya'll later.
[05:28] <dark_suic> buffff, it's been a minute in which i was attending 4 or 5 people at the same time...
[05:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:28] <dark_suic> my head is starting to bloooooow :P
[05:29] <Hobbsee> yeah, brain dead-ness often occurs
[05:29] <dark_suic> :P
[05:29] <dark_suic> i'm starting to think of going to bed (5:30 AM here :P)
[05:29] <xtacocorex> anyone know what file sets the variable: DESKTOP_SESSION ?
[05:30] <xtacocorex> I know it's given from kdm
[05:30] <xtacocorex> but i'm sure there has to be a file too
[05:30] <dark_suic> .xsession?
[05:31] <xtacocorex> dark_suic: well, this is what i'm trying to go after (saves the while typing thing) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=112072
[05:32] <xtacocorex> it gets listed when you use printenv
[05:32] <dark_suic> that is too much for me, sorry :(
[05:33] <xtacocorex> it's all good, i usually end up posting way too technical threads on the forum
[05:33] <dark_suic> i'll try to dig into  the matter, i like challenges, but not today, at 5:30 am :P
[05:33] <dark_suic> see you all :)
[05:34] <xtacocorex> thanks dark_suic
[05:34] <xtacocorex> see you later
[05:51] <soundmaster80> hello, i have a synaptics touchpad and running kde it seems too sensitive, i have turned acceleration down to x1 but it's still too quick, any suggestions on how i could slow it down more?
[05:55] <xtacocorex> soundmaster80: this forum thread is about alps touchpads, has an xorg.conf file listed right at the beginning for comparing against yours: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78904
[06:00] <soundmaster80> ok thank you...i will have to try some things in it
[06:00] <xtacocorex> soundmaster80: np
[06:05] <xtacocorex> well enough fluxbox for tonight, back to kde
[06:05] <woddf2> Haldo
[06:06] <woddf2> I can't install KMail!
[06:08] <dereks_> woddf2: thats cuz its already installed :)
[06:09] <woddf2> I upgraded to KDE 3.5.
[06:09] <dereks_> woddf2: is kontact or kpim there?
[06:09] <woddf2> That uninstalled it.
[06:09] <dereks_> woddf2: not on mine
[06:09] <woddf2> Kontact is there, but KMail, KAddressBook, etc. are not there.
[06:10] <dereks_> weir
[06:10] <dereks_> d
[06:43] <sampan> i have a wee problem.  i just put a previously used HD into a USB enclosure.  it's working fine, but i have FIVE partitions on that drive and want to delete them all, repartitioning and reformatting into 2 (one ext3, one vfat).  since it's usb it's mounted into /media ... how do i go about it all?
[06:45] <kkathman> sampan: was this drive in a winbox?
[06:45] <sampan> yeah, two of the partitions are NTFS
[06:46] <sampan> but i want to delete them all and start over
[06:46] <kkathman> sampan do you happen to have partition magic?
[06:46] <kkathman> on the winbox that is
[06:46] <sampan> nope -- i have NO windows installation anymore
[06:47] <sampan> i can reformat the entire drive -- the data is useless (i.e., i've gotten all the important data off already)
[06:47] <kkathman> ok..then why not just make it a slave on your linux box, then boot up, and use gparted or qtparted to partition?
[06:47] <psyk> how do you unrar an archive
[06:47] <psyk> ive got all the software that i need i just forget the command
[06:47] <sampan> kkathman  because i have a slave drive already and i'd rather not dig around switching it in and then have to switch it back out?
[06:48] <kkathman> psyk install unrar-free from the repos :)
[06:48] <psyk> yah i got thar
[06:48] <psyk> that what do i type
[06:48] <kkathman> sampan: hmm.. well ok, but I think you need to get in online first to do the disk partitioning/formatting
[06:49] <sampan> kkathman  how do you mean?  as in, the USB connection isn't good enough?  it's "online" -- i can mount/unmount, use the partitions, read data
[06:50] <kkathman> psyk if you have installed it...type  man unrar-free for details
[06:50] <kkathman> sampan: Im not 100% sure if you can partition on a USB...maybe
[06:50] <kkathman> sampan: I know you can if its a slave
[06:51] <psyk> unrar-free
[06:51] <kkathman> psyk  no,  type     man unrar-free     at the konsole to get details on how to execute it
[06:52] <kkathman> psyk in general  unrar-free -x  <file>   if I remember correctly
[06:52] <psyk> no no
[06:54] <psyk> werd
[06:54] <sampan> kkathman  i guess i just assume it's possible since linux treats everything as a file anyway -- the means of connection shouldn't (i would guess) make a difference
[06:55] <kkathman> sampan: Im just not familiar completely with being able to format a USB drive, but perhaps its completely possible as long as you can mount it
[06:57] <sampan> kkathman  yeah, the guys in #ubuntu are saying to just use the same CLI commands (cfdisk/mkfs) as with any other disk
[06:57] <kkathman> sampan: in fact fdisk and qtparted should work fine as long as the device is recognized and mounted
[06:58] <kkathman> sure
[06:58] <kkathman> I used fdisk for everything
[06:58] <kkathman> but you can use gparted or qtparted also
[07:00] <sampan> i guess i don't have either of those installed (locate doesn't find either on my machine)-- are they GUI?
[07:00] <kkathman> sampan both gparted (gnome) and qtparted (kde) are partition magic clones and you must install them from the repos, yes
[07:01] <sampan> kk, thanks :)
[07:01] <kkathman> sampan: sure np my friend :)
[07:06] <sampan> kkathman  yeah, qtparted made quick work of that
[07:06] <sampan> woot :)
[07:07] <kkathman> excellent!
[07:07] <sampan> gotta love more storage!  it's like suddenly having a walk-in closet in the bedroom!
[07:08] <kkathman> LOL
[07:11] <_kaenat> Hi, I was looking to install ethereal, but 'apt-cache search ethereal' returns no results.
[07:11] <nalioth> !info ethereal
[07:11] <ubotu> ethereal: (network traffic analyzer), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.10.12-2ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 485 kB, Installed size: 1312 kB
[07:12] <kanibal> hi!
[07:12] <kkathman> _kaenat: its in the repos, you might want to check your sources.list to make sure everything is enabled and your cd-rom is commented out
[07:12] <_kaenat> kkathman: ok ty
[07:13] <kkathman> _kaenat: chances are your universe and multiverse lines either dont exist or are commented out.
[07:14] <kanibal> anyone can help me?, i can' t do "ping localhost", thanks
[07:14] <kkathman> kanibal: what happens when you do a ping?
[07:15] <kanibal> can't contact localhost
[07:15] <_kaenat> kanibal: Does ping 127.0.0.1 work?
[07:15] <kanibal> nothing conect
[07:16] <kanibal> no
[07:16] <kanibal> not
[07:16] <kkathman> kanibal: can you ping anything else?
[07:17] <_kaenat> kanibal: Does /sbin/ifconfig show the lo device?
[07:17] <kanibal> it seem that don't recognice my card
[07:18] <kanibal> but in hoary i don'tt have this problem
[07:18] <_jeff> hey guys
[07:18] <_jeff> does anyone know why vlc is so ugly?
[07:18] <_jeff> is there any way to pretty it a little?
[07:19] <_jeff> gangsters?
[07:19] <kanibal> ping www.google.com works
[07:20] <sas171> _jeff: try to search ubuntuforums for vlc ugly
[07:20] <_jeff> lol ok
[07:20] <sas171> i think i saw some sollution there =)
[07:20] <kanibal> but ping localhost and ping 127.0.0.1 don't connect
[07:22] <sas171> _kaenat: ive just noticed, that i have no lo in my ifconfig, but i configured it in interfaces, would you mind if i ask you to pastebin your interfaces?
[07:23] <kanibal> ok
[07:25] <kanibal> sorry, ifconfig shows etho and pppo only!!
[07:25] <sas171> kanibal: mine either
[07:27] <kanibal> that address must be open always?
[07:28] <kanibal> sorry
[07:28] <kanibal> localhost address must be open always?
[07:28] <AnotherData> where can i find the win32 codecs in adept?
[07:31] <sas171> AnotherData: there is no port
[07:31] <sas171> too late :p
[07:35] <kanibal> sas171: what can i do?
[07:37] <sas171> kanibal: sorry no ideas
[07:37] <kanibal> in my network interfaces the eth0 is disabled, and when i try to enable don't do it
[07:37] <kanibal> ok
[07:38] <sas171> kanibal: pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces
[07:39] <kanibal> ok, wait
[07:39] <_kaenat> sas171: http://rafb.net/paste/results/vehyGL41.html
[07:40] <kanibal> #This file ...
[07:40] <_kaenat> kanibal: does lo show up if you do /sbin/ifconfig -a ?
[07:40] <kanibal> # The loopback network interface
[07:40] <kanibal> auto lo
[07:41] <kanibal> iface lo inet loopback
[07:41] <kanibal> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[07:41] <kanibal> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[07:41] <kanibal> mapping hotplug
[07:41] <sas171> arrrrrrrr
[07:41] <kanibal>         script grep
[07:41] <kanibal>         map eth0
[07:41] <kanibal> # The primary network interface
[07:41] <kanibal> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[07:41] <kanibal> auto dsl-provider
[07:41] <kanibal> iface dsl-provider inet ppp
[07:41] <kanibal> provider dsl-provider
[07:41] <kanibal> # added by pppoeconf
[07:41] <kanibal> auto eth0
[07:41] <kanibal>     pre-up /sbin/ifconfig eth0 up # line maintained by pppoeconf
[07:41] <_kaenat> kanibal: use http://rafb.net/paste for large files rather than flooding the channel
[07:41] <kanibal> ~
[07:42] <kanibal> sorry
[07:42] <kanibal> lo        Link encap:Local Loopback
[07:42] <sas171> !pastebin
[07:42] <ubotu> methinks pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:42] <kanibal>           LOOPBACK  MTU:16436  Metric:1
[07:42] <kanibal>           RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[07:42] <kanibal>           TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[07:42] <kanibal>           collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
[07:42] <kanibal>           RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
[07:42] <kanibal> again!
[07:42] <kanibal> ok, sorry
[07:44] <_kaenat> kanibal: Try sudo /sbin/ifconfig lo up
[07:45] <kanibal> it woooooooorkkkkks
[07:45] <kanibal> thanks
[07:46] <sas171> kanibal: for that one time, you want ot write valid interfaces...
[07:46] <_kaenat> weird
[07:46] <kanibal> save me to reinstall
[07:49] <stevenj> Ok I have installed Kubuntu 7 times and tried to install KDE 3.5 7 different ways using default repo (US Non US) Psychocats repos list.  Kontact is screwed up! Kmail is messed up....dependacies missing.  Apt-get upgrade holds these back, dist-upgrade installs all but returns an error, dist-upgrade -f installs (Removed by the original dist-upgrade) dependacies.  Why is the process BRoken????
[07:50] <stevenj> The Kubuntu "official" KDE 3.5 upgrade is Broken.
[07:52] <stevenj> Is the newly announced official kde3.5 upgrade a "stable" release or testing? If its testing then ok I can understand.
[07:52] <cameron> anyone here who could help me with ndiswrapper?
[07:53] <sas171> stevenj: i got the kubuntu cd yesterday and installed KDE 3.5 today. Im hearing my favourite ODB album, chating with you and reading my email without problems, adept is ok... so you are doing something wrong
[07:53] <nalioth> stevenj: is it in the official ubuntu repos yet?
[07:53] <Mez> cameron, probably get more response in #ubuntu regarding that
[07:53] <cameron> Mez: kk, thx
[07:54] <stevenj> yes I am installing the official 3.5 from the dep listed on the kubuntu site.
[07:54] <nalioth> stevenj: only things from archive.ubuntu.com are 'official'
[07:54] <stevenj> This is what I am doing, please correct me if I am wrong somewhere
[07:55] <sas171> stevenj: over kubuntu or ubuntu distro?
[07:59] <stevenj> I install Kubuntu distro.  I enable repo. I apt-get update. I apt-get upgrade. I reboot. I insert the dep for kde 3.5 located on the kubuntu website.  I install key for deb. I type apt-get update. I type apt-get dist-upgrade.  I watch it install kde 3.5.  when its finished it says error 1.  I apt-dist upgrade.  Missing dependcies for kontact, etc. I type apt-get dist-upgrade -f.  I watch KDE 3.5 reinstall.  Kmail, kNews, Sync is br
[08:00] <stevenj> Am I missing something?
[08:01] <Hobbsee> stevenj: yes, a pastebin of the dependancy errors you got
[08:01] <sas171> hm, all i did is kubuntu distro than just adding that deb line and apgrading with adept...
[08:02] <Hobbsee> sas171: and it worked for you?
[08:03] <stevenj> http://pastebin.com/491391
[08:04] <sas171> Hobbsee: I have all the new versions and no errors at all
[08:04] <Hobbsee> stevenj: sudo apt-get install kdepim?  what does that do?
[08:04] <stevenj> for some reason when you do an initial apt-get dist-upgrade it removes some things and related to this list
[08:04] <stevenj> one sec
[08:05] <Hobbsee> sas171: good
[08:05] <cameron> how do I extract files from a .exe?  stupid question I know >.<
[08:06] <stevenj> Hobbsee, it does this http://pastebin.com/491393
[08:07] <stevenj> for some reason the apt-get dis-upgrade removes libkdepim1a
[08:07] <stevenj> I think
[08:07] <Hobbsee> stevenj: try installing libkdepim1a and libkcal2b
[08:07] <Mez> Hobbsee, it's an icon
[08:07] <Mez> not a confg option
[08:07] <Hobbsee> mmm...true
[08:08] <stevenj> Hobbsee, haa they both depend on each other therefore wont install and says I need the other one
[08:09] <Hobbsee> install them together then...
[08:09] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install libkdepim1a libkcal2b
[08:10] <stevenj> nope conflicts
[08:11] <stevenj> Did you see anything I was doing wrong when installing?
[08:12] <Hobbsee> try force installing those two
[08:12] <Hobbsee> no, should have been right
[08:12] <stevenj> they won't install with a -f
[08:13] <Hobbsee> darn!
[08:13] <stevenj> I can reinstall kubuntu, if I just knew the steps everyone else seems to be taking
[08:14] <Hobbsee> they should be right, i'm not sure why it's screwed up at the moment
[08:14] <stevenj> think my disc is bad
[08:14] <stevenj> cant believe I am the only one they cant get it installed.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Mez: you're on dapper, right?
[08:17] <stevenj> Even before I attempt to install 3.5, I just install the regular "supported" updates (standard repo) and its updates some kde 3.4 stuff....it breaks knews and sync.
[08:18] <stevenj> I sure that could be fix by installing something else separate...
[08:18] <stevenj> well thanks anyway...guess I need some sleep/.
[08:24] <Hobbsee> is anyone here on dapper, and have they got the xorg updates (within the last few hours)?  If so, is X now broken, or does it still work?
[08:26] <cameron> how do I make ndiswrapper start with kubuntu?
[08:26] <sampan> holy moly -- i just want to say that krusader with the krename add-on is truly amazing -- 850 files renamed in 5 seconds
[08:28] <Hobbsee> sampan: wow!
[08:29] <sampan> :D  i've put off renaming all those mp3s for AGES because the # of mouseclicks and typing to do so was so daunting -- that just made my night :)
[08:30] <Hobbsee> :D
[08:30] <sampan> <--- easily satisfied :X
[08:33] <cameron> anyone know how to make a program start with kubuntu?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> cameron: symlink into ~/.kde/Autostart
[08:35] <cameron> Hobbsee: how do I do that?  (I honnestly know nothing :P)
[08:35] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[08:35] <ubotu> symlink is, like, ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[08:35] <Hobbsee> which program do you want to start?
[08:35] <cameron> ndiswrapper
[08:36] <Hobbsee> and where's it installed?  use locate ndiswrapper
[08:36] <cameron>     /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/ndiswrapper
[08:37] <cameron>  /var/cache/apt/archives/ndiswrapper-utils_1.1-4ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:37] <cameron> aswell
[08:37] <slingblade> how would you use ndiswrapper anyway?
[08:37] <Hobbsee> is there anything else it says there?
[08:37] <cameron> just those two Hobbsee
[08:38] <Hobbsee> no, hang on, you presumably want that to start when the system boots
[08:38] <cameron> slingblade: ndiswrapper -m
[08:38] <cameron> Hobbsee: yes
[08:38] <slingblade> cameron, what happens if I do that?
[08:39] <Hobbsee> hmmm....
[08:39] <cameron> slingblade: nothing, unless youve installed ndiswrapper
[08:39] <Hobbsee> i dont remember how you do that
[08:39] <slingblade> I have it installed
[08:39] <Hobbsee> it goes into /etc/init.something
[08:39] <Hobbsee> but more than that, i couldnt tell you
[08:39] <cameron> Hobbsee: maybe add ndiswrapper to /etc/modules?
[08:39] <cameron> slingblade: loads the drivers youve installed
[08:39] <Hobbsee> could well be
[08:40] <slingblade> ah, ok....thank you :)
[08:40] <kkathman> Hobbsee: /etc/rc3.d/* ???
[08:40] <Hobbsee> i really have no idea kkathman - i'd appreciate if you could step in and help
[08:41] <kkathman> Hobbsee: whats the issue?
[08:41] <Hobbsee> needs to load ndiswrapper at startup
[08:42] <kkathman> ahh.. maybe best to put that in the inittab ?
[08:42] <kkathman> I'd have to figure the best place to start it
[08:43] <kkathman> probably at the end of the inittab
[08:43] <kkathman> after it runs all the rcX.d processes
[08:43] <cameron> wouldnt just loading the module work?
[08:44] <kkathman> cameron: sure absolutely if that exists
[08:44] <cameron> cause thats how i'd load it manually
[08:44] <kkathman> one might even put that in the rcX.d directory and stage when it runs
[08:44] <kkathman> X being your default run level
[08:45] <cameron> ive no idea what rcX.d directory and stage is =\
[08:45] <kkathman> you'd want to load it probably after S20inetd
[08:45] <kkathman> maybe down the line a bit
[08:45] <XaXXon> does kubuntu eat babies?
[08:46] <cameron> XaXXon: only yours
[08:46] <XaXXon> that's not good.  for me, I mean
[08:46] <XaXXon> I'm preparing for a live session
[08:46] <kkathman> cameron: if you are at run-level 2 then look in /etc/rc2.d  the programs run in the order they are listed
[08:47] <kkathman> cameron: on you could just open /etc/inittab and load it at the end or after the /etc/rcX.d/S* statement
[08:47] <cameron> k
[08:47] <kkathman> cameron: are you running it manually now?
[08:47] <cameron> yes
[08:47] <kkathman> after KDE boots?
[08:48] <cameron> well, I havent actually rebooted this install yet.
[08:48] <cameron> xD
[08:48] <kkathman> ahh ok
[08:48] <kkathman> I'd for sure wait till after S20inetd runs I think
[08:48] <cameron> <3 HDD failure...  had to go buy another one.  read/right head messed itself
[08:49] <cameron> kkathman: I think I can do it with modules, just using the /etc/modules file, but if that doesnt work il give the other way a try
[08:49] <XaXXon> kubuntu spit out my baby.  it said it wasn't very tasty.  actually, it's loading, it just takes a long time to boot a live cd on my powerbook.  I hope this is cool :)
[08:49] <cameron> XaXXon: ever used linux before?
[08:49] <XaXXon> cameron, a friend of mine did once
[08:49] <XaXXon> :)  Yeah
[08:49] <kkathman> cameron: good luck :)
[08:50] <cameron> thanks for your help :)
[08:50] <cameron> heh, the one other thing that gets me... is under system settings, network settings, it says click administration mode to make changes... and yet...  there is no administration mode button.  its as if the window is borked.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> cameron: alt+f2, kdesu kcontrol
[08:52] <cameron> Hobbsee: have my babies?
[08:52] <Hobbsee> no, i'll pass
[08:52] <cameron> darn
[08:52] <cameron> xD
[08:52] <sampan> --
[08:53] <sampan> ack -- sorry .. book fell on the keys
[08:53] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:53] <cameron> Hobbsee: is there any way to make a file that executes that command?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> sure, write a shell script for it
[08:53] <Hobbsee> !shell
[08:53] <ubotu> rumour has it, shell is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/
[08:53] <Hobbsee> !script
[08:53] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I give up, what is it?
[08:53] <Hobbsee> oh
[08:55] <cameron> shell scripts are .sh right??
[08:55] <Hobbsee> yes
[08:55] <cameron> ok
[08:57] <Hobbsee> cameron: see http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ for a good, comprehensive guide
[08:58] <cameron> thanks :D
[09:11] <cameron> :O im happy, I made a shell script to do alt+f2, kdesu kcontrol
[09:11] <Hobbsee> :D
[09:11] <Hobbsee> you could have just typed kdesu kcontrol into a console
[09:13] <cameron> yeah I know
[09:13] <cameron> but now I have a button to click!
[09:13] <cameron> cause id forget the command
[09:13] <Set> wow
[09:13] <cameron> sad, isnt it
[09:13] <cameron> :|
[09:13] <Set> no, it's cool :)
[09:14] <Set> I like it that ppl make sollutions for themselves
[09:15] <cameron> is 3.5 worth upgrading to?
[09:16] <visik7> my su/sudo programs change my locales to POSIX
[09:17] <visik7> how can I say to them to use $user locale ?
[09:18] <cameron> il take the lack of answer as a resounding yes?
[09:19] <Set> 3.5 is great
[09:19] <Set> Kopete has webcam
[09:20] <cameron> wait
[09:20] <cameron> so now I can watch all the strippers in linux?
[09:20] <cameron> sweeet.
[09:22] <Set> yep
[09:22] <cameron> hrm
[09:22] <visik7> asd
[09:22] <cameron> so after adding the link to my source file, what exactly do I execute?  I dont really want to screw this up
[09:23] <visik7> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[09:25] <cameron> hmm
[09:25] <cameron> nothing there
[09:26] <cameron> note to self.
[09:26] <Hobbsee> cameron: yes, it is worth updating
[09:26] <cameron> hit apply when adding repositories
[09:26] <cameron> .
[09:53] <zitoune> hello
[09:54] <sas171> hi
[10:33] <Zdr4vk0> how can i generate my own publik and private key?
[10:33] <Tm_T> ssh?
[10:33] <Tm_T> rsa?
[10:34] <Tm_T> ssh-keygen -t rsa ?
[10:36] <Zdr4vk0> 10x
[10:53] <Zdr4vk0> are there packages of deKorator for kubuntu?
[10:53] <Jaymac> not as far as i know
[10:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T and all : hi
[10:54] <Tm_T> hullo
[10:54] <Tonio_> Tm_T: an idea concerning kubuntu profiles
[10:54] <Zdr4vk0> argh
[10:55] <Tonio_> I have seen that when you load a file via a kpart, like kpdf for example
[10:55] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes?
[10:55] <Tonio_> you don't get complementary buttons
[10:55] <Tonio_> to zoom etc...
[10:55] <Tm_T> ah you mean konqueror
[10:55] <Tonio_> very annoying with gwenview and images
[10:55] <Tm_T> or what?
[10:55] <Tonio_> hum
[10:55] <Tm_T> hmm, I do get those buttons
[10:56] <Tm_T> in gwenview and konqueror etc
[10:56] <Tm_T> but, dapper
[10:56] <Tonio_> Tm_T: you don't have the kubuntu simplified profiles, do you ?
[10:56] <Tonio_> I do
[10:56] <Tonio_> I do when launching kpdf
[10:56] <Tonio_> but not when konq load it as a kpart
[10:57] <Tonio_> maybe you have the full profiles, I assume
[10:57] <Tm_T> Tonio_: no I don't
[10:57] <Tonio_> okay, let's see
[10:57] <Tm_T> yes full profiles
[10:57] <Tonio_> that's why ;)
[10:57] <Tonio_> I think I will reactivate that in the simplified profiles
[10:57] <Tonio_> konq is everything but a static application....
[10:57] <Zdr4vk0> ARGH
[10:58] <Tonio_> it has to stay like that :)
[10:58] <Zdr4vk0> /bin/sed: can't read /lib/libacl.la: No such file or directory
[10:58] <Zdr4vk0> libtool: link: `/lib/libacl.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[10:58] <Zdr4vk0> why's that?
[10:59] <Tonio_> tonio@Kubuntu:~$ apt-file search libacl.la
[10:59] <Tonio_> libacl1-dev: lib/libacl.la
[10:59] <Tonio_> Zdr4vk0: install libacl1-dev package
[11:00] <Zdr4vk0> i hop this work...
[11:00] <Tonio_> it should ;)
[11:00] <Tonio_> No such file or directory -> the message is clear, it isn't there, and installing will put it there, so.....
[11:01] <Zdr4vk0> dekorator 0.2 rocks
[11:03] <visik7> how can I enable kio-fuse ???
[11:04] <sas171> ho-ho-ho, somebody of you installed kde-devel on kubuntu 5.10 with kde 3.5, I think there is a bug...
[11:04] <Zdr4vk0> Tonio_: another error message...
[11:04] <Zdr4vk0> /bin/sed: can't read /lib/libattr.la: No such file or directory
[11:04] <Zdr4vk0> libtool: link: `/lib/libattr.la' is not a valid libtool archive
[11:05] <Zdr4vk0> but i can't find that file in packages
[11:08] <sas171> any ideas how could i work it out?
[11:09] <Zdr4vk0> in  my comp, it works good, sas171
[11:09] <Zdr4vk0> YES!
[11:10] <Zdr4vk0> i finaly compiled dekorator...
[11:10] <nalioth> Zdr4vk0: hang on i can help you
[11:10] <nalioth> Zdr4vk0: gotta go find a control file
[11:10] <nalioth> brb
[11:11] <Zdr4vk0> nalioth: i don't need help, i'm done compiling and installing
[11:11] <sas171> there is my output:  http://pastebin.com/491496
[11:11] <nalioth> Zdr4vk0: libacl1-dev, libattr1-dev   you don't need these 2 files?
[11:11] <sas171> is there kdelibs4-dev??
[11:11] <Zdr4vk0> i installed them
[11:12] <nalioth> sas171: yes there is
[11:17] <Zdr4vk0> oh my god
[11:17] <Zdr4vk0> OMG
[11:17] <jpatrick> Zdr4vk0: ?
[11:17] <Zdr4vk0> hmm... i've installed dekorator successfully, but... when i select theme and apply, i am without windeco's
[11:18] <jpatrick> Zdr4vk0: I hope you did ./configure --prefix=/usr
[11:18] <Zdr4vk0> umm... no, i did only ./configure
[11:19] <jpatrick> that explains it
[11:19] <jpatrick> just reconfigure and install
[11:19] <Zdr4vk0> OK
[11:19] <Zdr4vk0> and remove the checkinstall package
[11:19] <jpatrick> (no need to recompile)
[11:19] <Zdr4vk0> OK
[11:21] <jpatrick> remake the package
[11:21] <Zdr4vk0> installing debian package...
[11:22] <Zdr4vk0>  Done. The new package has been installed and saved to
[11:22] <Zdr4vk0>  /home/penguinzdravko/deKorator-0.2-fix1/dekorator-0.2-fix1_fix1-1_i386.deb
[11:22] <sas171> what is actualy dekorator?
[11:22] <jpatrick> ok
[11:22] <Zdr4vk0> now lets try again
[11:22] <Zdr4vk0> jpatrick: Kwin deco
[11:22] <jpatrick> no that was sas171 asking :)
[11:22] <Zdr4vk0> ah sorry
[11:23] <Zdr4vk0> sas171: kwin deco
[11:23] <jpatrick> where is that win deco?
[11:23] <Zdr4vk0> jpatrick: it don't works again :(
[11:23] <jpatrick> link to src?
[11:25] <Zdr4vk0> http://www.motyr.5gigs.com/deKorator/0.2/SOURCE/deKorator-0.2-fix1.tar.gz
[11:27] <Zdr4vk0> i will try to wuit and start my session again
[11:27] <Zdr4vk0> quit*
[11:27] <Zdr4vk0> brb
[11:28] <chx> hi. i am looking for an applet to show my hard disk & CPU temperature in the kicker
[11:29] <Hobbsee> chx: k....
[11:29] <penguinzdr> i love the life!
[11:29] <penguinzdr> it works :)
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ah crud...
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ksensors, that's it!
[11:29] <Hobbsee> mental block there!
[11:31] <chx> Hobbsee: ksensors is only lm-sensors
[11:31] <chx> Hobbsee: i think i want ksim
[11:31] <jpatrick> penguinzdr: I don't think that the theme works
[11:32] <penguinzdr> jpatrick: it works, you need to restart your session
[11:32] <jpatrick> penguinzdr: says in the README -> this is example code
[11:32] <penguinzdr> this is the readme from the howto make kwin decos
[11:32] <penguinzdr> bye
[11:32] <penguinzdr> i got to go
[11:34] <chx> http://ksensors.sourceforge.net/ i am wrong and ksensors work w/ hddtemp
[11:34] <chx> good!
[11:34] <Hobbsee> oh good!  my brain hasnt gone crazy then!
[11:34] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: don't panic!
[11:35] <Hobbsee> hehe hi jpatrick
[11:35] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[11:35] <Hobbsee> i'll try not to panic...
[11:35] <jpatrick> it's number one rule ;)
[11:36] <chx> Hobbsee: sorry for my brainfart
[11:36] <chx> Hobbsee: now... how do i know what's temp1 , temp2 and temp3?
[11:37] <Hobbsee> man ksensors
[11:37] <Hobbsee> as i dont remember lol...
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i think it's fairly obvious
[11:37] <chx> errr yes?
[11:38] <jpatrick> chx: open konqueror and type: man:/ksensors
[11:40] <johnflux> I have mandrake on my laptop
[11:40] <johnflux> I burnt a kubuntu cd but I cannot boot from it for some reason
[11:40] <johnflux> stupid laptop ;)
[11:40] <jpatrick> johnflux: checked the MD5 sums?
[11:41] <johnflux> jpatrick: it's just simply not booting any cd it seems
[11:41] <johnflux> jpatrick: I tried a couple.  i've heard of machines that don't boot from writable cd's
[11:41] <johnflux> jpatrick: it's strange..
[11:41] <jpatrick> johnflux: checked the BIOS? ;)
[11:42] <johnflux> can i run the kubuntu install on the cd from mandrake?
[11:42] <johnflux> jpatrick: there doesn't seem to be anything relevant, other than the boot order.  it gives me an option on boot up for what device to boot from
[11:43] <jpatrick> hmm
[11:45] <johnflux> jpatrick: oh.  linux doesn't see the cd drive
[11:46] <sas171> how to see whether files where installed by package?
[11:46] <johnflux> jpatrick: maybe something is physically broken /disconnected inside
[11:46] <visik7> sas171: dpkg -L
[11:46] <jpatrick> maybe that's it..
[11:46] <sas171> thx
[11:49] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: homework?
[11:49] <vega-> is there kde user settings anywhere else than under .kde?
[11:49] <johnflux> vega-: s/is/are/    and no
[11:49] <sas171> what dock are using? i just tryied smoothdock, its not for me...
[11:50] <vega-> so for example the k menu entries are there too? i mean if one has edited them by hand
[11:50] <sas171> *are you using
[11:50] <johnflux> vega-: yeah somewhere in there
[11:51] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: yeah it's annoying...
[11:51] <vega-> hm ok, so by deleting .kde i should get a completely fresh start?
[11:51] <johnflux> vega-: i recomend you mv it rather than delete it,  also remember you will lose any stored passwords, kopete contacts, and so on
[11:52] <vega-> johnflux: actually already did that, but the problem is that i cannot find konsole in the menu after a fresh start
[11:52] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: for every holiday - we get a stack of homework
[11:52] <vega-> there's only gnome-terminal
[11:52] <johnflux> vega-: have you installed konsole?
[11:52] <vega-> johnflux: yes
[11:52] <johnflux> vega-: apt-get install konsole   ;)
[11:53] <johnflux> vega-: remove it then re install
[11:53] <vega-> let's try that..
[11:53] <johnflux> vega-: apt-get {remove,install} konsole
[11:53] <jpatrick> vega-: sudo apt-get install -reinstall konsole
[11:53] <visik7> using --reinstall ???
[11:53] <vega-> The following packages will be REMOVED: konsole kubuntu-desktop
[11:53] <vega-> hmm
[11:53] <visik7> you can remove safly kubuntu-desktop
[11:54] <johnflux> that's okay - i think kubuntu-desktop is just virtual
[11:54] <jpatrick> use the --reinstall flag
[11:54] <vega-> ah ok
[11:54] <johnflux> do what jpatrick says
[11:54] <johnflux> although I liked my solution for using {} :)
[11:55] <vega-> --reinstall it seems..
[11:55] <vega-> also another odd thing is that the lost&found menu is FULL of crap.. i mean hundreds of entries
[11:56] <johnflux> hmmm
[11:56] <vega-> and two of everything in there :)
[11:56] <johnflux> very strange
[11:56] <johnflux> ask on #kde and/or #freedesktop
[11:56] <johnflux> vega-: shouldn't be like that :)
[11:56] <vega-> well, not at least konsole appeared
[11:56] <vega-> johnflux: probably not :)
[11:57] <vega-> not=now
[11:57] <johnflux> vega-: let me know the problem if you find out
[11:57] <vega-> will do
[11:57] <johnflux> vega-: and i'll try to add some code to prevent it from happening again
[11:57] <vega-> oh btw i'm using kde 3.5 (from topic)
[11:57] <vega-> if that matters
[11:58] <johnflux> vega-: i would have been slightly annoyed if it was anything less ;)
[11:58] <jpatrick> hmm
[11:58] <vega-> another thing, i have this problem still: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4343
[11:58] <vega-> :)
[11:58] <johnflux> vega-: i mean uh that it's a pain to track down bugs on old versions of software
[11:59] <vega-> i understand
[12:00] <johnflux> vega-: do you have xorg 6.8.2-1
[12:00] <johnflux> vega-: if so, reopen the bug
[12:00] <vega-> the xset dpms force off workaround does the trick for me regarding the "second monitor blank" bug
[12:00] <vega-> johnflux: the newest that is in ubuntu
[12:00] <johnflux> vega-: add that comment about xset to the bug comments
[12:00] <vega-> 6.8.2-77 it seems
[12:01] <vega-> the odd thing is that gnome works fine with two monitors
[12:01] <vega-> but i'll add my experiences to the bug comments
[12:02] <johnflux> vega-: thanks
[12:02] <johnflux> vega-: it can be very difficult to fix such bugs totally
[12:02] <vega-> so i should also set status to reopen?
[12:02] <johnflux> vega-: there's thousands of hardware combinations
[12:02] <johnflux> vega-: yes reopen
[12:03] <johnflux> vega-: worst case is someone shouts at you because you've made a mistake ;)
[12:04] <chx> Hobbsee: this is deep. to get hdd temperatures reported, one needs to install hddtemp suid root. this is very unintuitive as hddtemp has a daemon mode and one thinks that ksensors would use that.
[12:05] <johnflux> chx: file a bug
[12:05] <johnflux> chx: on bugs.kde.og
[12:05] <johnflux> chx: on bugs.kde.org
[12:05] <vega-> johnflux: sounds very rewarding :)
[12:05] <vega-> hmm, am i even allowed to change the status
[12:05] <chx> johnflux: well, there's dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp to make suid install easier... but ok, i'll fill one
[12:07] <johnflux> chx: file a wish for ksensors to use hddtemp
[12:07] <Hobbsee> chx: really?
[12:07] <chx> johnflux: hddtemp daemon. yep.
[12:07] <chx> Hobbsee: really.
[12:08] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: ah yes, i used to get that each holidays too - this holidays with none of it has been so nice!
[12:09] <jpatrick> I have Spanish and Catalan todo
[12:11] <Hobbsee> eww
[12:11] <jpatrick> yep
[12:12] <vega-> johnflux: i added the comment but i don't know how to reopen the bug
[12:13] <johnflux> ask a kubuntu person
[12:13] <johnflux> I only come in here because konversation does so by default ;)
[12:13] <jpatrick> Joh
[12:13] <visik7> asd
[12:13] <vega-> okay :)
[12:13] <jpatrick> johnflux: hello
[12:13] <johnflux> :)
[12:14] <aftertaf> loooool johnflux :)
[12:15] <jpatrick> vega-: reopen what?
[12:15] <johnflux> jpatrick: a kubuntu bug report
[12:15] <jpatrick> where?
[12:15] <acribuntu> hi!
[12:15] <johnflux> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4343
[12:15] <johnflux> ubuntu rather
[12:16] <johnflux> jpatrick: ^^
[12:16] <jpatrick> hm
[12:16] <vega-> kubuntu has it's own bugzilla somewhere?
[12:17] <jpatrick> vega-: no
[12:18] <jpatrick> reopening
[12:18] <jpatrick> oh crap
[12:18] <jpatrick> "You tried to change the Status field from RESOLVED to REOPENED, but only the owner or submitter of the bug, or a sufficiently empowered user, may change that field."
[12:19] <vega-> yep :)
[12:21] <jpatrick> vega-: can't help you there
[12:21] <vega-> well, perhaps the admin does it, at least he is notified by email
[12:26] <jpatrick> wow: http://solid.kde.org/
[12:47] <apokryphos> jpatrick: great, isn't it? :D
[12:47] <apokryphos> I thought Ottens (in his interview some time ago) really hit on some major truths
[12:47] <apokryphos> so good to see something is being done about that 8)
[12:48] <jpatrick> yeah Solid + Tenor + Oxygen + Plasma + KDE4 = wicked
[12:50] <jpatrick> actually is there a Tenor site?
[12:53] <apokryphos> jpatrick: not yet, I don't think.
[12:53] <apokryphos> http://dot.kde.org/1113428593/
[12:54] <jpatrick> shame...
[12:56] <DocTomoe> Is there a way to change all occurences of FOO to BAR within all files of a directory?
[12:56] <apokryphos> DocTomoe: yes, use sed.
[12:57] <apokryphos> DocTomoe: sed -i s/FOO/BAR/ ./*
[12:57] <DocTomoe> is that a Perl-like Regexp?
[12:58] <apokryphos> wouldn't know about perl
[12:58] <crown> hi. under qt, if there is a character missing in the charset, is that possible to force the rendering engine to show the missing char from an other charset? (like under gtk)
[12:59] <crown> my problem is, i cannot show chinese and hungarian characters under qt
[12:59] <crown> with one charset
[12:59] <DocTomoe> crown: how about using UTF-8?
[01:00] <crown> DocTomoe: it's not depend on that. (it seems)
[01:01] <crown> it's an example:  -- rvz 
[01:01] <DocTomoe> crown: seems ok for me ... maybe your font is not complete
[01:02] <crown> DocTomoe: what irc client do you use?
[01:02] <crown> DocTomoe: and witch font?
[01:02] <DocTomoe> konversation ... let me check the font ....
[01:03] <DocTomoe> seems to be xft
[01:03] <crown> DocTomoe: i check kate and gedit with Monospace font. gedit shows ok, kate bad.
[01:04] <DocTomoe> crown: then it clearly is a font issue.
[01:04] <crown> DocTomoe: xft is in witch package?
[01:08] <DocTomoe> crown: seriously, i have no idea. you might want to google for "complete unicode font"
[01:13] <joe_alf> how do i randomize screensaver in kubuntu
[01:14] <apokryphos> joe_alf: select the one saying "Random" 8)
[01:15] <joe_alf> apokryphos: okey thanks
[01:23] <buz> is there anything i can do with a laptop that fell into display powersave mode, wont wake up but still can be accessed through the net?
[01:24] <aftertaf> buz:  ssh to it and try restarting gdm?
[01:24] <aftertaf> kdm even ;)
[01:24] <buz> could work
[01:25] <buz> but it still sucks when you're somewhere where ssh isnt available onanother box
[01:25] <aftertaf> you'll lose all running x progs though
[01:25] <aftertaf> management sux,
[01:25] <aftertaf> ergo, power management sux too ;)
[01:25] <buz> is there any reason why it wont wake up anymore
[01:25] <aftertaf>  power management sux > a reason!
[01:26] <buz> you mean i should just turn it off
[01:26] <buz> probably best
[01:26] <aftertaf> yep
[01:26] <aftertaf> brb
[01:29] <dark_suic> hi
[01:30] <jpatrick> dark_suic: lo
[01:30] <dark_suic> :P
[01:30] <dark_suic> i've been having a problem with audiocd:/, it will show all info, but won't extract the cd in mp3 (ok in other formats, but not mp3)
[01:31] <dark_suic> i have installed lame and lame-extras package
[01:31] <dark_suic> but still won't extract
[01:33] <GenghisKhan> dark_suic: you can try kaudiocreator
[01:34] <dark_suic> i know kaudiocreator, but i was trying to find solution to the audiocd:/ problem :P
[01:34] <DocTomoe> dark_suic: is there a good reason you need MP3, like an ancient mp3 portable player or something?
[01:34] <Tm_T> ogg <3
[01:34] <dark_suic> DocTomoe, the reason is that in spain i wasn't able to find an mp3 player which played ogg
[01:34] <DocTomoe> Tm_T: too true
[01:34] <DocTomoe> so, lazyness is the reason ;) ...
[01:34] <dark_suic> i have all my collection in ogg, but trying to rip some original cds instead of downloading them :P
[01:36] <dark_suic> in fact, i'm extracting the cds with audiocd:/ both in ogg and mp3, but mp3 won't create anything but 0b files...
[01:38] <gentix> I like to compile my own kernel. Is there anyway I an get the default kernel settings for ubuntu?
[01:39] <GenghisKhan> gentix: in /boot/config-* you have the config of your actual kernel
[01:39] <gentix> thanx. I'll take a look at it
[01:39] <gentix> _root it's not wise to use linux as root
[02:01] <_matt> Hi!
[02:02] <_matt> anybody using dapper flight 2?
[02:03] <apokryphos> it's pretty old, considering how fast ubuntu development moves
[02:03] <_matt> ok - where do you get the lastest build cd from?
[02:04] <alvaro> hola
[02:04] <alvaro> hi
[02:04] <dark_suic> xD
[02:04] <dark_suic> hi alvaro
[02:05] <alvaro> eres espaol?
[02:06] <alvaro> are you spanish?
[02:06] <apokryphos> _matt: daily builds at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ -- most latest ones should work fine, I think.
[02:06] <apokryphos> _matt: well, fine=reasonable. Dapper is generally broken on many issues
[02:07] <apokryphos> not recommended that you use it, of course; you can quite easily break your system.
[02:07] <alvaro> dark_suic eres espaol?
[02:07] <_matt> apokryphos - thanks, i've been trying to update using adept and that keeps failing!
[02:07] <dark_suic> i am ,alvaro :P
[02:07] <dark_suic> but for spahisn, plz, #kubuntu-es ;)
[02:08] <apokryphos> _matt: what error?
[02:08] <dark_suic> well, i guess i have to go to eat something :P
[02:08] <dark_suic> back in a moment
[02:08] <_matt> ok - i do a full upgrade - says that it has 306 upgrades
[02:09] <alvaro> aqui no hay musica o algo?
[02:09] <skript> if I install KDE3.5 in breezy from kubuntu.org repositories, will there be any problems when dist-upgrading to dapper later on ?
[02:09] <_matt> i do commit changes, then it starts to install
[02:09] <buz> is dapper safe to use on my main desktop?
[02:09] <alvaro> so..here aren't music?
[02:09] <buz> or will it suffer breakage left and right?
[02:10] <alvaro> im spanish
[02:10] <bogdan> hello
[02:10] <apokryphos> _matt: yup...
[02:11] <apokryphos> skript: nope, none.
[02:11] <_matt> kde crash handler reports crashed and caused the signal 11 sigsegv
[02:11] <apokryphos> _matt: so go into a failsafe terminal to finish the installation
[02:11] <skript> apokryphos: great... thx for the reply ;)
[02:11] <apokryphos> though, installing dapper is really a bad idea if you don't really know your stuff.
[02:11] <_matt> i know - but i want to learn my stuff ;-)
[02:12] <dark_suic> alvaro, /j #kubuntu-es
[02:12] <apokryphos> _matt: if you don't mind breaking your system in the proccess, then that's fine (here). :)
[02:12] <virtualgirl> hello
[02:12] <virtualgirl> what is this a chat
[02:13] <apokryphos> virtualgirl: it's the Kubuntu support channel, yes.
[02:13] <virtualgirl> aaa
[02:13] <_matt> i learnt my windows admin skills by breaking and fixing! now I want to learn Kubuntu!
[02:13] <_matt> hi virtualgirl!
[02:13] <virtualgirl> by
[02:14] <_matt> did i scare her off?
[02:14] <_matt> lol!
[02:14] <apokryphos> _matt: learning through breaking is often good, in my experience. Help in here might be a little thin, though -- makes it better for learning, I guess. =)
[02:14] <apokryphos> _matt: yes, it's that tricky underscore before your username :P
[02:15] <_matt> thats just what konversation called me - but matt is cool
[02:15] <buz> apokryphos: well i do know my stuff, but i need the box up and working, so i rather dont install dapper i think ;)
[02:15] <_matt> anyway's how do i go into a failsafe terminal to finish the installation?
[02:16] <apokryphos> hi buz :)
[02:16] <buz> but still i'm drooling over xorg 7  ;)
[02:16] <buz> i want exa ;)
[02:17] <bogdan> hello
[02:17] <apokryphos> buz: nvidia drivers are bust in dapper though
[02:17] <buz> mhh i have ati in this box
[02:17] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:17] <_matt> i cant wait for kde4
[02:17] <buz> nobody can wait for THAT
[02:17] <apokryphos> and we know what X problems ubuntu dev branch always has :P
[02:18] <apokryphos> very happy to hear about Solid yesterday
[02:18] <buz> mhh renderaccel and composite with nvidia on breezy is buggy enough ;)
[02:18] <apokryphos> worked fine for me, apart from a few random bugs. Kopete had problems, as did systemsettings
[02:18] <bogdan> what is black inside and white outside
[02:19] <bogdan> and eat childrens
[02:19] <buz> kept crashing my x every few hours on my gf5200 notebook
[02:19] <alvaro> hi
[02:19] <buz> besides, some toolbars randomly disappeared and fun stuff like that
[02:19] <buz> still, fadeover is very neat
[02:19] <apokryphos> got an fx5200 here and always worked pretty smooth
[02:19] <buz> nooow, if Xgl would make it into dapper
[02:20] <apokryphos> but it's literally perfect on my brother's 6600gt, apart from bugs that is.
[02:20] <virtualgirl> hi
[02:21] <buz> which nvidia drivers are you using? stock ones from breezy?
[02:21] <apokryphos> yup
[02:21] <apokryphos> my brother's on suse though
[02:21] <buz> mhh weird
[02:21] <buz> maybe gf5200 go is buggier than others ;)
[02:22] <buz> it's good enough to make the apple fanboys shut up. after that one can turn it off again LOL
[02:23] <apokryphos> turn it off after the screeny is taken :P
[02:23] <buz> fading isnt particularly impressive on screenshots ;)
[02:23] <apokryphos> true
[02:24] <apokryphos> I love fading 7)
[02:24] <apokryphos> or 8), even
[02:24] <buz> never mind, they are always drooling about my 1400*1050 12" lcd anyway
[02:24] <apokryphos> heh
[02:24] <buz> that's more pixels than the old 17" powerbook has hehe
[02:24] <apokryphos> got a 19" which is really great, but wish it was a 20+
[02:24] <buz> one a notebook?
[02:24] <buz> yeee gods
[02:25] <buz> i got a 20" lcd before me
[02:25] <apokryphos> nope, desktop
[02:25] <buz> neat
[02:25] <buz> i wish i had another one besides it ;)
[02:25] <apokryphos> sweet; default resolution goes up at 20, that's why I'd want one
[02:25] <apokryphos> the world is not enough :P
[02:25] <buz> that's why i paid thru my nose to get one 2 years ago
[02:25] <buz> of course more resolution still would get used
[02:26] <buz> eclipse always needs more space ;)
[02:26] <apokryphos> I'd be pretty happy with another 19" here
[02:26] <apokryphos> they're getting an awful lot cheaper now too
[02:26] <buz> i prefer 17" to 19". pixels are smaller
[02:26] <buz> 19" is for people with bad eyes
[02:27] <Tm_T> 19" is for people who wan't 1600x1200 desktop
[02:27] <buz> thre are 19" with 1600???
[02:27] <buz> where?
[02:27] <Tm_T> crt
[02:27] <apokryphos> :-O
[02:27] <buz> iiieww crt
[02:27] <apokryphos> 1280x1024 here :/
[02:27] <buz> i refuse to ever work with a crt again
[02:27] <buz> and i had good ones
[02:28] <Tm_T> and no, there's no way I'm gonna use lcd as long as their colour output is so sucky
[02:28] <Tm_T> and expensive
[02:28] <buz> as long as the colors look halfways like they should i'm content
[02:28] <buz> i dont think i'd buy a lcd tv jsut now though
[02:28] <Tm_T> buz: so you don't do graphical work
[02:28] <buz> no
[02:29] <Tm_T> aye ;)
[02:29] <buz> i'm totally untalented there
[02:29] <buz> about the only graphics i use is to watch pr0n
[02:29] <_matt> lol!
[02:29] <Tm_T> o   k
[02:30] <apokryphos> films, films
[02:30] <buz> yeah films of all sorts
[02:30] <buz> tho homecinema is preferred, really
[02:30] <_matt> is kubuntu good for home cinima?
[02:31] <buz> dunno
[02:31] <_matt> i have a windows home cinima
[02:31] <buz> i cant afford multi tb storage arrays so i stick to dvds
[02:31] <buz> and i couldnt care less for the crap on german tv, really
[02:32] <_matt> i have a server running debian upstairs with raid HD
[02:32] <buz> yeah me too
[02:32] <buz> but not that much space on it ;)
[02:32] <_matt> that took ages to get working!
[02:32] <_matt> same here I have a 300gb mirror but its almost ran out :-(
[02:36] <_matt> does anyone know when the next flight CD will be out?
[02:38] <admrl_> _matt: have you looked for a release schedule..?
[02:38] <admrl_> _matt: i think distrowatch.com should have one
[02:39] <admrl_> _matt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[02:40] <C-O-L-T> hello
[02:40] <_matt> thanks!
[02:40] <_matt> forgot to look there - doh!
[02:41] <C-O-L-T> I need a professional but easy to use photo and video editor for linux. I want to make slideshows of my pictures with music and so on, so I want something like Movie Maker for windows.
[02:41] <C-O-L-T> and than write to dvd
[02:41] <C-O-L-T> or cd
[02:41] <C-O-L-T> does exist something like that?
[02:41] <C-O-L-T> anybody can help me?
[02:42] <admrl_> C-O-L-T: what kind of editing do you want to do
[02:42] <admrl_> you can always use the Gimp
[02:42] <C-O-L-T> admrl_: no the GIMP is not good for me
[02:42] <admrl_> oh and video
[02:42] <C-O-L-T> admrl_: I want to make slideshows of my pictures with music than to write to a dvd to watch in tv
[02:43] <C-O-L-T> do you understand
[02:43] <C-O-L-T> ?
[02:43] <admrl_> yep yep
[02:43] <admrl_> http://heroinewarrior.com/cinelerra.php3
[02:43] <admrl_> this is for editing videos
[02:44] <admrl_> id check that out i havnt tried it but it should work for what your doing
[02:44] <C-O-L-T> but for slideshows
[02:44] <admrl_> sudo apt-cache search slideshow ..?
[02:45] <admrl_> http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Graphics/Slideshow-Creator-8033.shtml
[02:45] <admrl_> this is all else i can find
[02:46] <admrl_> sorry if i cant help
[02:46] <C-O-L-T> admrl_: no problem, i just want a powerfull video and picture edit tool
[02:47] <C-O-L-T> admrl_: these programs are not easy to use, that is why I don't like Linux
[02:48] <jpatrick> C-O-L-T: Krita
[02:48] <C-O-L-T> jpatrick: I can make with Krite slideshows with music and than to write into mpeg format or dvd????
[02:49] <jpatrick> oh no
[02:50] <dandielionous> hello
[02:50] <dandielionous> I was wondering.
[02:50] <dandielionous> I tried cruising to etc/apt/sources
[02:50] <dandielionous> And I don't have a sources.
[02:50] <jpatrick> !sources
[02:50] <ubotu> A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) - Create your own sources.list at http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:50] <dandielionous> Aren't I supposed to have that?
[02:50] <Tm_T> sources.list
[02:50] <jpatrick> dandielionous: see above^
[02:51] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it's /etc/apt/sources.list, not sources
[02:51] <dandielionous> ty
[02:52] <dandielionous> You said it's sources.list is that a directory I have to manufacturer?
[02:52] <dandielionous> Okay, okay I'll go read the pages.
[02:52] <dandielionous> Thank-you for the links.
[02:52] <dark_suic> no it isn't
[02:52] <dark_suic> xD
[02:53] <dandielionous> :)
[02:53] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic
[02:53] <dark_suic> sources.list is the file (in text format) where repositories are written
[02:53] <dark_suic> and consulted by apt
[02:54] <dandielionous> Okay I looked in that directory.
[02:54] <dandielionous> I don't see a sources.list in that directory in text format.
[02:54] <dandielionous> I do see little papers there.
[02:54] <dandielionous> Maybe I need to create it.
[02:55] <dandielionous> I tried aptitude last night.
[02:55] <dandielionous> and apt-get update.
[02:55] <dandielionous> aptitude is confusing.
[02:55] <dandielionous> But I think I'll get it.
[02:56] <Tm_T> you don't have sources.list?
[02:56] <dandielionous> No I don't see a sources.list.
[02:56] <Tm_T> what you have been done to it?
[02:56] <dandielionous> If I did something to it I was unaware of it.
[02:56] <Tm_T> murderer!
[02:56] <Tm_T> ;--P
[02:56] <dandielionous> Supposedly this is the latest and kewlest thing I've got here.
[02:57] <admrl_> Tm_T: sudo less /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:57] <dandielionous> I should type that in?
[02:57] <Tm_T> admrl_: I have no problems with it, and no, I don't need sudo for that
[02:58] <aftertaf> dandielionous:  yes, type that...
[03:00] <dandielionous> Okay I typed that in.
[03:00] <dandielionous> And I pasted the result.
[03:00] <dandielionous> this is the link
[03:00] <dandielionous> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491704
[03:00] <dandielionous> I hope I did that right.
[03:01] <dandielionous> People were telling me something about universe and multiverse last night.
[03:02] <dandielionous> Is that something I'm supposed to have too?
[03:02] <dandielionous> Is it connected to the sources.list?
[03:02] <dark_suic> well
[03:02] <mcscruff> do a sudo apt-get update
[03:02] <dark_suic> if you open your sources.list
[03:02] <mcscruff> then u'll know
[03:02] <dark_suic> you will get some normal lines and some lines that start with # <---- this are commented lines
[03:02] <dandielionous> Okay I did a sudo apt-get update last night.
[03:02] <dandielionous> twice.
[03:03] <dark_suic> commented lines are ignored, and uncommented are used by apt to find programs
[03:03] <dandielionous> Okay.
[03:03] <dark_suic> dandielionous, each time you make changes into sources.list you should do sudo apt-get update
[03:03] <aftertaf> and if you want more stuff, enable universe....
[03:03] <aftertaf> !tell  dandielionous about repositories
[03:03] <dandielionous> If I don't have a sources list how can I make changes to it?
[03:03] <dark_suic> you do have it :P
[03:04] <aftertaf> dandielionous:  you do have one, its the file you pasted just now ;)
[03:04] <mcscruff> what you just pasted was a sources list
[03:04] <aftertaf> lol :)
[03:04] <dark_suic> :)
[03:04] <dandielionous> oh
[03:04] <dandielionous> lol
[03:04] <aftertaf> hehe
[03:04] <mcscruff> we were all knew once, dont worry
[03:05] <dark_suic> that's it :)
[03:05] <dandielionous> ty for understanding
[03:05] <mcscruff> i just had a go at ReactOS
[03:05] <dark_suic> if at least other newbies that came here were half polite as you are... xD
[03:06] <mcscruff> its gonna be my perfect kubuntu partner
[03:06] <aftertaf> totally dark_suic :)
[03:06] <dark_suic> :P
[03:06] <mcscruff> i wasnt bad, honest :)
[03:06] <dark_suic> dandielionous, now
[03:06] <dark_suic> in the file you pasted
[03:06] <mcscruff> bbl
[03:07] <dark_suic> you see lines 17-18, 2 commented lines that are like #deb http://address breezy universe?
[03:07] <dandielionous> ty for saying I'm polite dark_suic
[03:07] <dark_suic> try to remove the # before the deb, and add at the end of the line (leaving a blank space after universe, no comma) multiverse
[03:08] <dandielionous> Okay let me look at what you are talking about in lines 17-18
[03:08] <seicherlbob> hi everybody! I'd like to connect a second monitor to my laptop - well, i did - but kubuntu won't recognize anything. why?
[03:09] <aftertaf> seicherlbob:  you need to add it in xorg.conf, but i dont know how myself ;)
[03:10] <seicherlbob> aftertaf: well, that's more than i know. anybody else got some info?
[03:11] <seicherlbob> oh! i should have swapped source!
[03:11] <seicherlbob> i got a signal but it's... weird
[03:11] <aftertaf> hehe :)
[03:11] <dandielionous> Okay I don't think I pasted all the lines.
[03:11] <aftertaf> you could always try sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg    seicherlbob
[03:11] <dandielionous> I think I missed some.
[03:12] <dandielionous> I enlarged my terminal window.
[03:12] <dandielionous> I'm going to repaste in the paste site one moment.
[03:13] <dandielionous> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491719
[03:14] <dandielionous> Now I have up to 39 lines.
[03:14] <seicherlbob> hmm.... the thing is that its only mirroring.
[03:14] <dandielionous> I see what you're saying about uncommenting.
[03:14] <seicherlbob> and its.... flickering
[03:15] <crown> DocTomoe: when you saw my example text, you saw all character? there was no 'box' ?
[03:16] <Bernard1> Bonsoir tlm :-)
[03:17] <dandielionous> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe
[03:17] <dandielionous> bash: deb: command not found
[03:18] <dandielionous> Is my program missing something that I can't do certain bash commands?
[03:19] <jpatrick> dandielionous: that's suppose to go into your /etc/apt/soucres.list
[03:20] <dandielionous> I'm sorry jpatrick what is supposed to go into my sources.list?
[03:20] <jpatrick> that line
[03:20] <apachelogger> dandielionous: that's not a command
[03:20] <dandielionous> Am I supposed to paste that there?
[03:20] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted universe multiverse
[03:20] <aftertaf> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted universe multiverse
[03:20] <aftertaf> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-security main restricted universe multiverse
[03:21] <apachelogger> dandielionous: yo
[03:21] <aftertaf> my sources.list....
[03:21] <dandielionous> yes apachelogger .
[03:21] <apachelogger> aftertaf: very short :P
[03:21] <aftertaf> :)
[03:22] <dandielionous> Okay index of unbuntu.
[03:22] <dandielionous> mmmmm that looks interesting.
[03:22] <dandielionous> Wonder what I do with that...
[03:23] <dandielionous> <<<scratches head
[03:23] <dandielionous> lol
[03:26] <seicherlbob> ok, how do i restart the xserver after reconfiguring?
[03:27] <jpatrick> seicherlbob: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[03:27] <seicherlbob> jpatrick: ?
[03:27] <jpatrick> do that
[03:28] <dark_suic> seicherlbob, end current session, then press ctrl-alt-backspace
[03:29] <vytautas> howto search for a file with apt-file?
[03:36] <dystopianray> hello, does anyone know if kopete has any patches applied for kubuntu releases?
[03:36] <dystopianray> or where i might possibly find info on patches that have been applied to kubuntu apps for releases?
[03:37] <apachelogger> dystopianray: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kdenetwork_3.4.3-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[03:37] <apachelogger> just take a look at the diff ;-)
[03:37] <apachelogger> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/kde/kopete if youwant the whole source
[03:37] <dystopianray> kde 3.5 i'm interested in
[03:37] <apachelogger> dystopianray: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/kde/kopete
[03:38] <dystopianray> thankyou
[03:38] <admrl_> apachelogger: would that be stable..?
[03:38] <apachelogger> admrl_: what would be stable?
[03:40] <admrl_> using the dapper package
[03:40] <dystopianray> i don't plan on using it, i'm having an issue with another distro that doesn't seem to apply for kubuntu, so i want to find out waht, if anything has been changed to fix that
[03:41] <seicherlbob> ok, so much about simple restarting the server....
[03:41] <apachelogger> admrl_: as stable as the breezy ones
[03:41] <admrl_> and it wouldnt come up with any problems in apt
[03:42] <seicherlbob> ok, now the screen is not flickering and moving anymore. but it's still only mirroring. how can i tell the second display to stop mirroring?
[03:48] <tdmg> ummmmm.......can someone tell me how to take a screenshot of my desktop on Kubuntu?
[03:48] <admrl_> you can always us the ksnapshot command
[03:48] <admrl_> i think thats it
[03:48] <tdmg> where is that command?
[03:48] <admrl_> if not you can use import image.jpg
[03:49] <admrl_> you use it from a command line
[03:49] <admrl_> you can also hit your kmenu
[03:49] <admrl_> and click run command
[03:49] <tdmg> just type ksnapshot?
[03:49] <admrl_> yep
[03:49] <admrl_> in the run command window
[03:49] <admrl_> or in konsole
[03:49] <tdmg> cool
[03:49] <admrl_> yep tellme if it works
[03:51] <admrl_> tdmg and if you go into the kcontrol center you can make printscreen a shortcut for running the command ksnapshot
[03:55] <_patrick> could someone explain why firefox isnt in the kubuntu sources thing in adept but mozilla and thunderbird is. ive just installed and i want to get firefox.
[03:55] <geirhard> hello
[03:56] <tudor_b> _patrick: sudo apt-get install firefox
[03:56] <admrl_> he said it isnt in sources tudor_b
[03:56] <geirhard> could somebody tell me how can I make my kubuntu mount a partition every time it starts?
[03:57] <admrl_> geirhard: youd need to put the partition in fstab
[03:57] <geirhard> okay thanks
[03:57] <geirhard> xD
[03:57] <dandielionous> Okay do any of you know how I can find the system, administration menu?
[03:57] <admrl_> dandielionous thats in gnome not kde
[03:57] <tudor_b> geirhard: or K Menu > System Settings > Disks & Filesystems
[03:58] <dandielionous> ty admrl
[03:58] <dandielionous> Is there something like it in kde?
[03:58] <admrl_> dandielionous: you can do most anything important in kcontrol center
[03:58] <admrl_> the command is kcontrol
[03:58] <dandielionous> ty admrl
[03:58] <admrl_> you can run it as root with gksudo kcontrol
[03:58] <admrl_> :D
[03:59] <_patrick> no its not in the normal packages list thing. is firefox only in universal?
[03:59] <dark_suic> i'm having problems with lame... it doesn't extract an mp3 from audiocd:/ kioslave nor kaudiocreator
[03:59] <admrl_> dandielionous your opening it from the konsole right..?
[03:59] <dandielionous> :)
[03:59] <admrl_> alrighty
[03:59] <admrl_> everything should be good
[03:59] <dandielionous> Yes I'm trying to open it from konsole.
[03:59] <dark_suic> kaudiocreator gives only the error that "progressive metal isn't recognised as a tag," or something like that
[04:00] <dark_suic> any guess?
[04:00] <dandielionous> I'm trying to follow the instructions for adding repositories.
[04:00] <dandielionous> I'm trying to add multiverse, universe and back something.
[04:00] <admrl_> dandielionous the easiest way to do that i think is in synaptic
[04:00] <admrl_> which is a gnome program like adept
[04:00] <admrl_> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:00] <admrl_> thats the easiest way
[04:01] <admrl_> if you know the command line you can also go to /etc/apt/
[04:01] <admrl_> and sudo nano sources.list
[04:01] <admrl_> uncomment the multiverse and universe and ctrl x to save
[04:01] <admrl_> i think thats the fastest way
[04:01] <geirhard> mm please could you tell me what have i got to put in fstab "<options>" to make the partition can be written and read by everyone?
[04:02] <dandielionous> When you say uncomment do I just highlight and delete the comment line?
[04:02] <admrl_> NO no
[04:02] <admrl_> lol
[04:02] <admrl_> i mean take out the #
[04:02] <admrl_> at the front of it
[04:02] <dandielionous> Then run it again?
[04:03] <dandielionous> I was hoping to stick with kde things.
[04:03] <dandielionous> I already added gaim.
[04:03] <dandielionous> which is gnome I believe.
[04:03] <geirhard>  please could you tell me what have i got to put in fstab "<options>" to make the partition can be written and read by everyone? pleaaseeeee
[04:03] <admrl_> lol yes it runs off of gtk librarys i belive
[04:03] <dandielionous> If gnome programs are better why am I using kubuntu.
[04:04] <admrl_> i prefer kde to gnome
[04:04] <dandielionous> I like kde.
[04:04] <admrl_> it has better programs
[04:04] <admrl_> but i also prefer the gnome package manager to kde's
[04:04] <dandielionous> I can understand some programs are better.
[04:05] <dandielionous> gaim is for me because it lets me enter the chat rooms.
[04:05] <crown> under kde, could i create a 'drawer' to kde's panel? like in gnome's panel?
[04:05] <dandielionous> konversation doesn't.
[04:05] <admrl_> crown ive seen it on kde-look.org
[04:05] <admrl_> dandielionous: have you tried kopete..?
[04:05] <dandielionous> kopete?
[04:05] <admrl_> yes
[04:06] <admrl_> its like gaim
[04:06] <admrl_> give it a try its a native kde app
[04:06] <dandielionous> Okay I tried that but it doesn't let me enter the chat rooms.
[04:06] <dandielionous> Just instant message.
[04:06] <dandielionous> I'm really trying to stick with kde things.
[04:06] <admrl_> well i guess your stuck with gaim than lol
[04:07] <seicherlbob> can anybody lend me a helping hand with setting up my display-settings??? PLZ
[04:07] <dandielionous> :)
[04:07] <dandielionous> I can't find a switch or button on the kopete that let's you enter chat rooms.
[04:07] <dandielionous> I can't understand why that is.
[04:07] <admrl_> did you search google
[04:07] <dandielionous> Not for that.
[04:07] <admrl_> seicherlbob whats wrong with them..?
[04:08] <dandielionous> What I'm realllllllllly trying to do right now.
[04:08] <dandielionous> Is add kmymoney.
[04:08] <seicherlbob> well, the second monitor is only mirroring. i'd like to have 2 screens, not a mirrored one
[04:08] <dandielionous> In the mean time back at the ranch.
[04:08] <dandielionous> I guess I have to solve this multiverse and universe problem before I can add kymymoney2.
[04:08] <dandielionous> Which I downloaded and can't compile.
[04:09] <admrl_> what error did you get
[04:09] <dandielionous> So I guess I have to learn apt-get.
[04:09] <seicherlbob> admrl_: who?
[04:09] <dandielionous> I'm trying to remember the error.
[04:09] <dandielionous> I was doing it last night.
[04:09] <admrl_> dandielionous: apt-get is AMAZINGLY easy but synaptic is easier
[04:10] <dandielionous> Easy is what I need.
[04:10] <dandielionous> Let me try to add synaptic.
[04:10] <dandielionous> If it's like everything else I've tried to do I feel a little discouraged.
[04:10] <admrl_> seicherlbob: i dont know much about 2 monitors in linux i only use one
[04:10] <stefano> i once used two
[04:10] <admrl_> dandielionous: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[04:10] <stefano> was keeeewl
[04:10] <dandielionous> okay
[04:10] <seicherlbob> stefano: can you help me?
[04:11] <stefano> maybe
[04:11] <seicherlbob> stefano: ok. the kde-desktop config only shows one screen.
[04:11] <dandielionous> Okay it's working.
[04:11] <dandielionous> :)
[04:11] <seicherlbob> stefano: so the second monitor is only mirroring
[04:11] <dandielionous> Adding synaptic.
[04:11] <admrl_> :D
[04:11] <stefano> just like it is supposed to seicherlbob
[04:12] <stefano> do you use an nVidia card?
[04:12] <seicherlbob> stefano: its a radeon. (laptop)
[04:12] <dandielionous> Hey it even added it to my applications menu. :)
[04:12] <dandielionous> I'm done.
[04:12] <stefano> oh well, them i'm sorry. the nvidia drivers are offering a kewl program to set this stuff up
[04:12] <dandielionous> Something worked!!!!!! YOooooo HOoooo.
[04:12] <dandielionous> lol
[04:13] <stefano> dude, install the commercial radeon drivers drom ate
[04:13] <stefano> ati
[04:13] <seicherlbob> well... maybe i shoul try and google for ati-software then
[04:13] <stefano> they should bring a such tool too
[04:13] <stefano> yes right
[04:13] <_patrick> if i add the universal repository and then remove them after i have installed the programs i want will they remove themselves from the package manager, i killed my last kubuntu by doing a totally update from universal and rather stupidly turing off halfway through!
[04:13] <dark_suic> dandielionous, that is how apt-get works :)
[04:13] <seicherlbob> its my first time with linux as client so i'm a bit ... confused
[04:13] <stefano> dont use the drivers x brought you, they are crap =)
[04:13] <aftertaf> laters all... hometime
[04:13] <seicherlbob> :) how can i install new drivers? never did this before
[04:14] <dandielionous> I would like it always to be that easy.
[04:14] <stefano> seicherlbob: dont worry, its gonna work =)
[04:14] <dark_suic> well, in fact, after installation, it SHOULD be that easy :P
[04:14] <dandielionous> I have been working for 4 days on adding kmymoney and still haven't got it done.
[04:14] <aftertaf> dandielionous:  it will be one day ;)
[04:14] <dark_suic> :P
[04:14] <admrl_> dandielionous: is synaptic working for you
[04:14] <dark_suic> well, now in synaptic
[04:14] <dandielionous> ty for the encouragement.
[04:14] <dark_suic> let's do something
[04:14] <dandielionous> synaptic is in and up.
[04:14] <dark_suic> open it and go preferences-repositories
[04:14] <seicherlbob> ok... i'll come back after i crashed the machine stefano ;) see you in a while
[04:14] <dandielionous> Now do I have to add multiverse, universe etc.
[04:15] <dark_suic> now let's add some more packages to the system :)
[04:15] <dark_suic> probably, dandielionous , but this way is easier :)
[04:15] <dandielionous> Okay preferences-repositories going there.
[04:16] <stefano> hehe
[04:16] <dark_suic> there you will have some lines
[04:16] <dark_suic> now you need to add universe and multiverse, hang on a sec and i will tell you how
[04:16] <dandielionous> I can't click on anything.
[04:16] <dandielionous> trying to decide what is wrong.
[04:16] <dandielionous> I see that box but can't click on anything.
[04:16] <dandielionous> One moment.
[04:16] <admrl_> dandielionous did you run it as root
[04:17] <admrl_> sudo synaptic
[04:17] <dandielionous> I have a introduction screen up.
[04:17] <dandielionous> I'm reading it I think that is the problem I can't click on anythng.
[04:17] <dark_suic> yep, if you don't close intro screen you won't click anything :)
[04:18] <admrl_> lol oh ya
[04:18] <admrl_> haha
[04:18] <dandielionous> sorry
[04:18] <dandielionous> <<<<blushes
[04:18] <dark_suic> nevermind :)
[04:18] <dandielionous> Okay now I can click on things.
[04:19] <dandielionous> Now You said preferences ->repositories going there.
[04:19] <dark_suic> :)
[04:19] <dark_suic> configuration -> repositories
[04:19] <dark_suic> yeah
[04:19] <dark_suic> now, click on "new"
[04:20] <dandielionous> Okay I found settings->preferences or repositories which one?
[04:20] <dark_suic> repositories
[04:20] <dandielionous> okay.
[04:20] <dark_suic> that is
[04:20] <dark_suic> 1 sc
[04:20] <seicherlbob> stefano:    1. ATI Proprietary Linux x86 Display Drivers for XFREE86 / X. Org Version 8.20.8 ??
[04:21] <dark_suic> back
[04:21] <dark_suic> :)
[04:21] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[04:21] <dark_suic> click on new
[04:21] <dandielionous> phone ringing
[04:21] <stefano> seicherlbob: yes
[04:21] <dandielionous> brb
[04:21] <stefano> download em
[04:22] <stefano> als long as you got this version of x
[04:22] <stefano> or you upgrade x too
[04:23] <seicherlbob> i use kubuntu. thats why i'm here
[04:23] <_patrick> founrd firefox. should i get he kubuntu-security repositories?
[04:29] <seicherlbob> how can i check my x version?
[04:30] <stefano> i dont know =)
[04:30] <stefano> look it up in adept i guess
[04:30] <seicherlbob> lol
[04:30] <stefano> open adept and find x.org, there is sould be mentioned
[04:31] <kkathman> seicherlbob: dpkg -l | grep xorg
[04:31] <seicherlbob> 6.8.2
[04:31] <seicherlbob> got it
[04:32] <seicherlbob> adept was a good idea.
[04:34] <stefano> yippie
[04:40] <seicherlbob> ok, starting the installation...
[04:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:47] <xwolf-> herzlich willkommen, slow-motion
[04:47] <slow-motion> hi xwolf-
[04:56] <NPC_Crys> Yo peeps.
[04:56] <NPC_Crys> Who knows about the sound?
[04:57] <NPC_Crys> I need to know which sound system to use.
[04:57] <NPC_Crys> It looks like alsa and oss will take, but not esd.
[04:59] <ganymed> hallo.
[04:59] <stefano> NPC_Crys: use Alsa
[04:59] <stefano> oss is obsolete
[05:00] <NPC_Crys> Why's that?
[05:00] <ganymed> i cannot mount cd/dvd as normal user anymore... i don't see any content. if i umount and mount it as root again, i can access it as normal user
[05:00] <ganymed> any ideas?
[05:00] <NPC_Crys> Try mounting it as root.
[05:00] <NPC_Crys> Is it the default user or a new one?
[05:01] <NPC_Crys> Could be you forgot to give your user mounting rights.
[05:03] <NPC_Crys> ganymede?
[05:03] <ganymed> default one... the first i have added. it used to work out of the box...
[05:04] <NPC_Crys> darn. Then I'm out of ideas.
[05:04] <NPC_Crys> I'm new.
[05:04] <ganymed> i haven't changed it so far... the user is member of the cdrom group
[05:04] <ganymed> do you know what user rights i have to add... which group and so on?
[05:06] <NPC_Crys> I can tell you what rights my user has.
[05:06] <kkathman> NPC_Crys: how did you mount your cd/dvd ??
[05:07] <NPC_Crys> When I put in a cd, it shows up on the desktop.
[05:07] <kkathman> ok, then what
[05:07] <jpatrick> kkathman: morning
[05:07] <kkathman> morning jpatrick :)
[05:08] <NPC_Crys> Then I look through it. End of story. Automounts.
[05:10] <ganymed> sorry, short problem...
[05:10] <kkathman> ok...and so what exactly is happening - error message?
[05:11] <ganymed> NPC_Crys: exactly, but for some strange reason it automounts the cd, but doesn't show it. then i umount as root, mount as root again and it shows me the content of the cd...
[05:12] <NPC_Crys> Sounds like a nautilus problem.
[05:12] <NPC_Crys> or whatever kde uses.
[05:12] <kkathman> what happens when you attempt to play the CD through, say, kaffeine ?
[05:13] <NPC_Crys> Sorry, man I got nothin.
[05:14] <NPC_Crys> How do I find out what my audio device is.
[05:19] <geirhard> hello, i'm trying to change the owner of 2238 files, could someone tell me how can i change the owner of all of them without doing it one by one? (sorry if i speak badly, i'm not english...)
[05:21] <kkathman> geirhard: are the files all in the same directory?
[05:22] <geirhard> they are all in the same partition
[05:22] <kkathman> geirhard: but not in the same directory?
[05:22] <geirhard> but they are in diferent directorys, because it's all music
[05:22] <geirhard> no :(
[05:23] <kkathman> geirhard: if you can move them to the same directory temporarily, you can use sudo chown to mass change
[05:23] <geirhard> but i can do it directory by directory, at least it's better than do it file by file...
[05:23] <kkathman> geirhard: then do that
[05:23] <kkathman> use sudo chown
[05:23] <geirhard> okay, how do i do chown to mass?
[05:24] <geirhard> i do "sudo chown to mass change" ??
[05:24] <geirhard> xD
[05:24] <kkathman> geirhard: lets say your current ownership.group is  root.root
[05:24] <geirhard> yes
[05:24] <kkathman> geirhard: and your new owner is geirhard for instance
[05:24] <geirhard> and i want to make them "Geirhard.geirhard"
[05:25] <geirhard> yes, it is
[05:25] <kkathman> geirhard: yous go to the directory and do sudo chown Geirhard.geirhard *
[05:25] <geirhard> okay, and then all the files will be modified too?
[05:25] <kkathman> all of them...thats what the * is for
[05:25] <geirhard> okay thank you very much
[05:25] <kkathman> np
[05:26] <kkathman> geirhard: for more details on chown... do a    man chown
[05:28] <ganymed> sorry, was busy again...
[05:29] <ganymed> btw. this sudo stuff is really getting on my nerves... why can't i sudo from any account but only one in the sudoers file (with a password of such an account, e.g.)?
[05:33] <ganymed> ok, i have found out... it is a kde problem... konqueror is searching at the url "media:/hdb" but there is nothing... e.g. /cdrom works
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> Thought it might be a kde thing.
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> I should've spoke up. I'm dumb.
[05:34] <dark_suic> dandielionous, u still alive???? it's been more than an hour with the phone....
[05:34] <NPC_Crys> ganymed: add yourself to the sudoers file ifyou hateit.
[05:34] <kkathman> ganymed: not everyone needs sudo provileges, but if you are the admin, you can give them to anyone for limited use.
[05:35] <kakei> hi who can help me with this smbmnt must be installed suid root for direct user mounts (1000,1000)
[05:35] <geirhard> do anyone know how to change the group of a file?
[05:35] <dark_suic> geirhard, chgrp newgroup file
[05:35] <NPC_Crys> kakei: I have no clue what you just said to us.
[05:36] <NPC_Crys> So not me.
[05:36] <kkathman> geirhard: with chown
[05:36] <kakei> NPC_Crys, when i use smb4k and try to mount a window folder it show that =)
[05:36] <dark_suic> kakei, not sure, but you've tried opening konqueror and writing smb:/
[05:36] <ganymed> kkathman: i don't want to give them to anyone... just want to be able to do sudo from what account so ever... without giving away security, of course
[05:36] <dark_suic> ?
[05:36] <geirhard> chown is for change the owner
[05:36] <kkathman> ganymed: what you are saying is conflicting
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> Oh. windows is being the ghey for linux then?
[05:37] <dark_suic> geirhard, i said chgrp
[05:37] <kakei> dark_suic, yes
[05:37] <kkathman> geirhard: it changes both actually
[05:37] <ganymed> ok, sorry, wrong expression
[05:37] <kkathman> man chown
[05:37] <dark_suic> kakei, it should work
[05:37] <kakei> but it doesnt
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> kakei: is your windows share set up to require a password?
[05:37] <NPC_Crys> Also, is your samba install borked?
[05:37] <kakei> no
[05:37] <kkathman> ganymed: any user can use sudo, but they have to be in the sudoers file
[05:37] <kakei> oh nvm
[05:38] <kkathman> ganymed: http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudoers.html
[05:38] <kakei> it works with smb:/ i was writing smb://
[05:38] <mcscruff> i cant get a java app to work, can someone help , http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491902
[05:38] <NPC_Crys> I love zSNES!
[05:38] <NPC_Crys> Yay!
[05:38] <ganymed> i am part of the sudoers. when i log into my girl friends account, for example, i want to do some admin work (with my password), but i don't want her to be able to do that with her account an dher password.
[05:38] <ganymed> thx
[05:38] <kkathman> chown [OPTION] ... OWNER[:[GROUP] ]  FILE...
[05:39] <geirhard> okay chgrp runs well thanks
[05:39] <kkathman> geirhard:  thats right out of the man page on chown
[05:39] <geirhard> chown only changes the owner
[05:39] <kkathman> geirhard: NO
[05:39] <kkathman> geez
[05:39] <geirhard> yes, it does
[05:39] <NPC_Crys> what is the awt toolkit?
[05:40] <Chronoz> i forgot to configure the network while installing kubuntu. what tool is used to do this now, after i installed?
[05:40] <geirhard> kkathman: when i put chown it only changes the owner
[05:40] <kkathman> geirhard: please read the man page on chown and you will see you are wrong. Ive used that command only about 1000 times
[05:40] <kkathman> you arent running it right then
[05:41] <geirhard> i do "chown 'file'" but then the file is "geirhard - root"
[05:41] <geirhard> and if i do chgrp 'file' it says geirard-geirhard (that's what i want)
[05:41] <kkathman> did you say  sudo chown owner[dot] group ???
[05:41] <kkathman> not space
[05:41] <kkathman> DOT
[05:41] <geirhard> oh, no, sorry jejeje but what is DOT?
[05:41] <kkathman> a period
[05:41] <jpatrick> .
[05:42] <NPC_Crys> owner.group
[05:42] <geirhard> "."?
[05:42] <geirhard> okay
[05:42] <kkathman> sigh
[05:42] <jpatrick> kkathman: eww (JOKING)
[05:42] <kkathman> jpatrick: please help me :)
[05:42] <kkathman> hehe
[05:42] <geirhard> jaja thanks thanks xD
[05:42] <Chronoz> . is obsolete, use : instead, since dot will be removed soon
[05:43] <NPC_Crys> How can you obsolete a punctuation.
[05:43] <NPC_Crys> ?
[05:43] <kkathman> ugh I hate that it will be too cuz thats a poor syntactical representation :(
[05:43] <Chronoz> NPC_Crys: i don't know, it just said so, when i tryed using it :P
[05:43] <kkathman> geez mine never said that at all
[05:44] <kkathman> Chronoz: you on a different kernel?
[05:44] <Chronoz> actualy i dont even use kubuntu
[05:44] <Chronoz> but gentoo
[05:44] <kkathman> well there ya go
[05:44] <kkathman> gentoo might be changing it
[05:44] <Chronoz> its still the same program though, might be just a different version
[05:45] <NPC_Crys> syntactical: Good word.
[05:45] <kkathman> different version of the kernel I reckon
[05:45] <Chronoz> or something ... doesnt matter. so, network configuration tool for kubuntu anyone? id find it my self, but as i said i dont have kubuntu, and its for my friend
[05:45] <kkathman> howdy GenghisKhan :)
[05:46] <kkathman> Chronoz: k-menu, system settings, network settings
[05:46] <Chronoz> ok, tnx
[05:46] <kkathman> np
[05:46] <rosco> hi
[05:46] <NPC_Crys> How is the transparency in kde? Stable or no?
[05:46] <mcscruff> Hi, im haveing trouble running a java app can someone help Please http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/491902
[05:47] <rosco> someone has feedback about dapper for ppc ? does the touchpad react better ?
[05:47] <dandielionous> Okay I'm back.
[05:47] <dandielionous> dark_suic are you still there?
[05:47] <rosco> for a powerbook, I mean
[05:48] <kkathman> mcscruff looks like a class is missing
[05:48] <seicherlbob> stefano?
[05:49] <rosco> join #openvpn
[05:49] <seicherlbob> or anybody else? I killed my xserver config when installing ati-drivers.
[05:50] <dark_suic> dandielionous, more or less, im a bit busy now
[05:50] <dark_suic> hang on 5 minutes more :P
[05:50] <seicherlbob> now i started in recoverymode and used the old conf-file, but there are a couple of things working completely different
[05:50] <kkathman> seicherlbob: was it working before?
[05:50] <seicherlbob> more or less. better than now
[05:51] <dandielionous> Okay dark_suic
[05:51] <dandielionous> Sorry had company come over.
[05:51] <dandielionous> They're gone now.
[05:51] <kkathman> seicherlbob: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[05:51] <kkathman> if you havent already
[05:51] <seicherlbob> kkathman: no, i wanted to ask here before i do that.
[05:51] <dandielionous> Going for tea be right back.
[05:51] <dark_suic> don't mind :)
[05:52] <kkathman> okies
[05:53] <seicherlbob> the cards bus identifier????
[05:53] <dandielionous> back
[05:54] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i am ok now
[05:54] <dandielionous> Great I was hoping dark_suic that you could help me get this going now.
[05:54] <dark_suic> you have synaptic opened?
[05:55] <dandielionous> Yes I do.
[05:55] <dark_suic> well
[05:55] <dark_suic> config-repositories
[05:55] <dandielionous> yes
[05:55] <dark_suic> click on new
[05:56] <dandielionous> done
[05:56] <dark_suic> on url write:
[05:56] <dark_suic> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[05:56] <dark_suic> on distribution:
[05:56] <dark_suic> breezy
[05:56] <dark_suic> on section(s):
[05:56] <dark_suic> universe multiverse
[05:57] <dark_suic> (exactly like that, one space, not commas)
[05:57] <dandielionous> Do I need the back thing too?
[05:57] <monad> hi... how can i switch off kdm permanently?
[05:57] <geirhard> do anyone know wich is better: to have root files with permisions to the users, or to have users files directly?
[05:58] <dark_suic> not for now
[05:58] <dark_suic> maybe later :)
[05:58] <dandielionous> How about that fact I'm using kubuntu?
[05:58] <dark_suic> but for now, this should be enought
[05:58] <dark_suic> click ok
[05:58] <dark_suic> me too ;)
[05:58] <dandielionous> Does it make a difference?
[05:58] <dandielionous> Ok kewl ::)
[05:58] <dark_suic> no, they're the same os, but with different desktop :)
[05:58] <dark_suic> click ok there
[05:59] <dark_suic> now, on synaptic main window
[05:59] <dark_suic> click on... reload
[05:59] <dandielionous> It said repositories have changed I have to click on reload.
[05:59] <dandielionous> lol
[05:59] <dark_suic> yeah :)
[05:59] <dandielionous> It's doing it.
[05:59] <dandielionous> :)
[05:59] <dandielionous> So great to have something actually working.
[06:00] <geirhard> xD
[06:00] <dark_suic> when finished -> click on search :)
[06:00] <dark_suic> search kmymoney
[06:00] <dandielionous> I think it's done.
[06:00] <dark_suic> and it should appear :)
[06:00] <dandielionous> Okay searching for kmymoney2?
[06:00] <dandielionous> I clicked on search it says all.
[06:01] <geirhard> do anyone know wich is better: to have root files with permisions to the users, or to have users files directly? i don't mind, i can wait
[06:01] <seicherlbob> going for a restart again. if i don't get back i smashed my laptop outa window
[06:02] <dark_suic> dandielionous, did synaptic found kmymoney?
[06:02] <dandielionous> omg kmymoney2 appeared.
[06:02] <dandielionous> lol
[06:02] <dandielionous> I had clicked on the wrong search before.
[06:02] <dark_suic> :D
[06:02] <dandielionous> I found the right button.
[06:02] <dark_suic> then right click -> install package :)
[06:02] <dandielionous> So now I install it?
[06:02] <kkathman> geirhard: I dont know that root files should be given to all users, but thats your decision as an Administrator
[06:02] <dandielionous> okay.
[06:02] <kkathman> geirhard: root ownership on files is there for a reason
[06:03] <dark_suic> and when it's marked, you have to click on apply (or apply changes, don't remember properly :P)
[06:03] <dandielionous> Right click doesn't seem to be working.
[06:03] <dandielionous> I have it highlighted.
[06:03] <dark_suic> well, double click then
[06:03] <dandielionous> okay
[06:03] <dark_suic> it will ask you to install 2 more packages (at least :P)
[06:04] <geirhard> no, it's all music so i don't mind, but i needed to know what's de difference...
[06:04] <dandielionous> Yes it asked me about 2 more packages. I said mark.
[06:04] <dark_suic> yep :)
[06:04] <dark_suic> now click apply
[06:04] <dark_suic> and it will start downloading and after that installing
[06:05] <kkathman> geirhard: my suggestion would be to create a group called "music" then change the music files group to "music" then give your users access to that group
[06:05] <dandielionous> summary says one package will be held back.
[06:05] <dandielionous> 3 to be installed.
[06:05] <dandielionous> I clicked apply.
[06:05] <dark_suic> click ok :)
[06:05] <dandielionous> Now I guess I click apply
[06:06] <dandielionous> It's downloading and installing.
[06:06] <geirhard> if i make a group "music" then wich user do i put in?
[06:06] <dandielionous> Are all packages this easy?
[06:06] <dark_suic> :)
[06:06] <dark_suic> this is the same as doing sudo apt-get install kmymoney2 :)
[06:06] <dandielionous> Thank God if they are.
[06:06] <dark_suic> yep :)
[06:06] <geirhard> i'm an only user xD
[06:06] <dandielionous> So good.
[06:06] <dark_suic> now you just have to search and click and apply :)
[06:06] <dandielionous> I want to use my computer.
[06:06] <dandielionous> I wonder what package was held back.
[06:07] <dandielionous> ty so much
[06:07] <seicherlbob> wooohooo
[06:07] <geirhard> so i thinked to make the files owner to geirhard, and all problems left
[06:07] <dandielionous> What do I do about the back thing?
[06:07] <seicherlbob> i got my xserver back
[06:07] <dandielionous> I need to make notes.
[06:07] <dark_suic> dandielionous, backports are repositories with even more packages, but... how to say... "not official"
[06:07] <dark_suic> they're not completely tested
[06:08] <seicherlbob> anybody ever installed ati-drivers on a laptop?
[06:08] <dandielionous> Okay I don't want something that will mess me up.
[06:08] <kkathman> geirhard: if you are an admin, you can assign anyone to a group
[06:08] <dark_suic> oh, they're not a problem, but if you don't need something in backports you shouldn't have to add them :)
[06:09] <dandielionous> kmymoney2 is installed.
[06:09] <dandielionous> heheheheh
[06:09] <dark_suic> :)
[06:09] <dandielionous> I don't know what is in backports so I don't know what I'm missing. lol
[06:09] <geirhard> i prefer to make the owner files geirhard because there's no other user
[06:09] <dark_suic> great!
[06:09] <NPC_Crys> Is it bad form to post a screenshot with a live chat room in it?
[06:09] <dark_suic> dandielionous, if you need a package that isn't in synaptic now, it will probably be at backports, but ...
[06:09] <NPC_Crys> Nevermind. I'm going to open a blank one.
[06:10] <dandielionous> That url for downloading the multiverse and universe I need to make a note of that.
[06:10] <dandielionous> I will probably need that later.
[06:10] <dark_suic> synaptic will tell you how many packages u have avaible
[06:10] <dandielionous> 17,785 packages available.
[06:10] <dandielionous> I think that would fill up my hard drive.
[06:11] <dandielionous> The only other thing I have to figure out is how to get radio music off the internet.
[06:11] <dark_suic> :P
[06:11] <dandielionous> Then I'm pretty much all set.
[06:11] <dark_suic> i think that amarok can do that ...
[06:11] <dark_suic> although i'm not for sure with that
[06:12] <dandielionous> I can learn at a slower pace not so frantic like the last three, four weeks.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I think I can work that out.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I have a lot of exploring to do.
[06:12] <dark_suic> well, yesterday it was too late and i didn't remember synaptic :P
[06:12] <dandielionous> I really appreciate the help.
[06:12] <dark_suic> yeah :)
[06:12] <dandielionous> lol That's kewl.
[06:12] <dandielionous> I was tired yesterday.
[06:12] <dark_suic> i would suggest you to read apt-get howto on ubuntuguide.com
[06:12] <dandielionous> Today I had the day off.
[06:12] <dandielionous> ty I will do that.
[06:13] <dandielionous> I'll be back but right now I'm off to explore this new operating system and get my life back on track.
[06:13] <dandielionous> I really want to write a book not spend all my time learning this program.
[06:13] <dandielionous> So I really appreciate the help getting me started so I can use it.
[06:14] <dark_suic> :)
[06:14] <dandielionous> Later :)
[06:14] <dark_suic> then i guess i'm going too :)
[06:14] <dandielionous> If I can help you sometime let me know.
[06:14] <dark_suic> good luck
[06:14] <dandielionous> ty so much
[06:15] <knubbe> what should i do to upgrade to kde 3.5?
[06:15] <knubbe> ive done everything on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:15] <knubbe> and i ran an apt-get upgrade and it fetched the new packages
[06:15] <knubbe> but it still says i run 3.4.3
[06:16] <dark_suic> well, then restarting  x server will get you to kde3.5
[06:16] <SethGecko> and in kdm you should choose 3.5
[06:16] <knubbe> ah yea. i rebooted too.
[06:16] <SethGecko> -o
[06:16] <dark_suic> (end current session -> hit ctrl-alt-backspace -> xserver restarted...)
[06:16] <dark_suic> u sure?
[06:16] <dark_suic> too :P
[06:17] <knubbe> oh..
[06:17] <knubbe> maybe i forgot about the dist-upgrade :-)
[06:17] <dark_suic> xD
[06:17] <dark_suic> maybe :P
[06:18] <masterloki> Hi here A few days ago I was erasing a lot of files
[06:19] <masterloki> Suddenly KDE send a "disk full error"
[06:19] <masterloki> and now some files I didn't erase are gone
[06:19] <masterloki> several gigas of video and images
[06:19] <masterloki> what the hell is going on
[06:20] <NPC_Crys> Hey, I need someone to take a look at this for me. http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[06:20] <NPC_Crys> Anyone who understands apt.
[06:21] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: sudo vi /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:21] <masterloki> insert deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[06:21] <NPC_Crys> sudo vim?
[06:21] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: as you wish
[06:22] <NPC_Crys> is vi a text editer?
[06:22] <masterloki> yes
[06:22] <buz> bu i dont think you want to use vi
[06:22] <masterloki> is the (almost) same thing
[06:22] <masterloki> sudo aptitude update
[06:22] <NPC_Crys> nano okay then?
[06:22] <buz> yes
[06:22] <buz> much easier
[06:23] <kkathman> masterloki: did you really delete them or did they get moved to the trash?
[06:23] <masterloki> kkathman: I was deleting other files in the same carpet
[06:24] <masterloki> kkathman: but for example the wallpapers carpet, I even touch ut
[06:24] <masterloki> it
[06:24] <kkathman> masterloki: maybe some still remain because that particular partition is full... check your trash and see if it needs to be emptied :)
[06:24] <masterloki> kkathman: is empty
[06:25] <masterloki> kkathman: but I checked it before empty it
[06:25] <kkathman> masterloki: baffling to me too :)
[06:25] <NPC_Crys> Okay. Just added those repositories. How can I be sure it worked?
[06:26] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: Do you already have wine?
[06:26] <NPC_Crys> Yeah, but I'm not sure it is the latest stable version.
[06:26] <NPC_Crys> I know I got it from ubuntu main though.
[06:27] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: then you should edit your /etp/apt/preferences file
[06:27] <masterloki> and add this
[06:28] <masterloki> kkathman: So any ideas, at this rate I'm going to lose all my data
[06:28] <kkathman> masterloki: how are you "deleting" your files...through konq ??
[06:29] <masterloki> kkathman: yes
[06:29] <masterloki> kkathman: I began with konqueror
[06:29] <NPC_Crys> It looks like I have wine installed, and it says that I can upgrade if I like.
[06:29] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: go ahead then :)
[06:30] <masterloki> kkathman: but then when I got the error, I started to use rm
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> And how do I make sure that It's not the beta?
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> NM
[06:31] <NPC_Crys> I just remembered that wine is constantly beta.
[06:32] <kkathman> masterloki: if you are using rm now..I cant see why they arent gone
[06:32] <kkathman> masterloki: are you getting error messages still?
[06:32] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: Beta is not as bad as many people say thing
[06:33] <masterloki> NPC_Crys: You may check the last beta release and see if it what you got
[06:33] <masterloki> kkathman: no
[06:33] <kkathman> masterloki: well thats good I suppose
[06:33] <kkathman> what does your disk usage report?
[06:34] <masterloki> first was 68% this morning is 52% !!
[06:35] <kkathman> masterloki: you probably need to check your logfiles
[06:35] <cameron> anyone know what the command is to remove a symbolic link?  :P
[06:35] <masterloki> which log?
[06:35] <kkathman> masterloki: well something is filling up somewhere right?
[06:36] <masterloki> let me check
[06:41] <kkathman> masterloki:   du -h | sort -n
[06:43] <NPC_Crys> So does adept use dpkg or apt-get?
[06:44] <NPC_Crys> And does gimp run okay in kde?
[06:44] <C-O-L-T> I AM CURRENTLY AWAY
[06:45] <beast> gimp runs great in kde
[06:45] <kkathman> beast sure why not?
[06:46] <beast> NPC_Crys asked if it did
[06:46] <kkathman> ah ok
[06:46] <kkathman> hehe
[06:46] <kkathman> Ive been going back and forth here
[06:46] <NPC_Crys> I ran banshee and it didn't actually run;.
[06:46] <kkathman> NPC_Crys: neither, but adept does use the /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <_bubba> anyone have trouble using a USB HP printer with CUPS on KDE?
[06:47] <kkathman> _bubba not at all
[06:47] <_bubba> mine worked great until I installed the KDE desktop package
[06:47] <kkathman> _bubba: but I will admit that my printer is on a winbox on my network
[06:47] <_theo> has anyone here succesfully compiled a 2.6.15 kernel??
[06:47] <_bubba> i have run the KDE printer wizard about a 100 times
[06:48] <kkathman> _bubba: what kinds of problems occur?
[06:48] <_bubba> it either just queues the document and i have to restart the printer over and over
[06:49] <_bubba> or if the printer stays on it says processing forever
[06:49] <kkathman> _bubba: so it seems the document is "getting" to the printer then?
[06:49] <_bubba> according to KDE Print it is
[06:50] <kkathman> _bubba: I dunno if that doesnt sound like a driver problem of some sort
[06:50] <kkathman> _bubba: could you print a test page?
[06:50] <_bubba> yeah i would think so too, I have added and selected every driver mentioned on the forums
[06:50] <masterloki> kkathman: Is this a log of what I have erased?
[06:50] <_bubba> i can print a test page from the printer itself but not from the computer
[06:50] <cameron> A program im trying to install is claiming that it cant find the sources file... but when I provide the sources file location, it still doesnt work...
[06:50] <cameron> any ideas?
[06:51] <kkathman> _bubba: ahh ok I was going to suggest that you try another driver but youve done that
[06:51] <kkathman> masterloki: no if you do a du -h | sort -nr | more    it will show you your big directories
[06:51] <_bubba> its weird because when i first installed Kubuntu, it addded the first time i tried to print and it worked very well
[06:51] <NPC_Crys> What's up with this jack sound server?
[06:51] <masterloki> :O
[06:52] <kkathman> _bubba: have you tried to remove the printer completely, reboot, and then adding it again?
[06:52] <_bubba> yes
[06:52] <kkathman> _bubba: just for grins, make sure cups is running (i know simple, but I have to at least mention it)
[06:52] <_bubba> i have tried it with the printer off and with the printer turned on
[06:52] <_bubba> it is
[06:53] <kkathman> is the printer on a winbox or a linux box?
[06:53] <_bubba> actually i dont know to check to see if it is, but i have restarted it from the konsole numerous times
[06:53] <_bubba> and CUPSYS is showing to be running
[06:53] <kkathman> _bubba  just run ksysguard and look for it in the processes
[06:54] <_bubba> its a local printer on this computer, still works fine in windows
[06:54] <kkathman> _bubba: OH the printer is on the computer you are on?? And you can print to it FROM a winbox?
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> Help me
[06:54] <C-O-L-T> I need something like arcsoft dvd slideshow
[06:54] <_bubba> i can print to it when this computer is booted in windows
[06:55] <C-O-L-T> so i can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:55] <_bubba> its says CUPSD is running
[06:55] <kkathman> _bubba: Ohh ok
[06:55] <_bubba> but i dont see CUPSYS
[06:55] <kkathman> _bubba: if its on your linux box, I dont think you have to use CUPS
[06:55] <kkathman> but I cant help on that, cuz I dont have that situation :(
[06:56] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:56] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: like powerpoint
[06:56] <_bubba> i didnt think so either but on the forum it says if I dont i will have limited functionality, but i tried it under the old Linux app alos
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: with that i can not make that
[06:56] <_bubba> also*
[06:56] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:56] <kkathman> oh in video format
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: video format
[06:56] <kkathman> dont know
[06:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: dvd album
[06:57] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: like arcsoft's dvd slideshow
[06:57] <kkathman> _bubba: no clue what could be wrong at this point
[06:57] <kkathman> sorry :(
[06:58] <kkathman> youve done the things I would have :)
[06:58] <_bubba> thanks anyways, i appreciate it
[06:58] <C-O-L-T>  I need a program that with it I can make slideshows of my pitures with music in video format
[06:58] <kkathman> _bubba: sorry my friend that I couldnt be of more help
[06:58] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: try going to sourceforge and browsing there
[06:58] <_bubba> no prob, one way or another I will get it, its not an emergency
[06:58] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am lazy
[06:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: well in the time you wait here, you could be getting an answer
[06:59] <kkathman> one cannot be lazy and learn linux I fear :)
[07:00] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: i got at #ubuntu http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=100188
[07:00] <C-O-L-T> DVD SLIDESHOW
[07:00] <cameron> *pulls hair out*  I give a program im trying to install the filepath to the sources, and it still cant find them!  Anyone have any ideas at all??
[07:01] <kkathman> cameron: what exactly are you trying to do?
[07:02] <cameron> install ndiswrapper -- updateing to kde3.5 broke it... so It was reccomended that I uninstall/reinstall
[07:02] <cameron> so, I uninstalled it.
[07:02] <cameron> and now, it cant find the sources.
[07:03] <kkathman> cameron: you sure they are still around - the sources I mean
[07:03] <cameron> yep
[07:03] <cameron> ive located them manually
[07:03] <kkathman> cameron: its not unusual for things to be somewhat broken wrt to 3.5. KDE 3.5 is a transition release and many components and even applications were held back
[07:04] <cameron> and uninstalled / reinstalled them (deleating the package so they'd be redownloaded to make sure)
[07:04] <kkathman> its why I dont recommend that "upgrade"
[07:04] <cameron> >.<
[07:04] <kkathman> so you went and did the an apt-get remove <pkg>
[07:05] <cameron> yes
[07:05] <cameron> and apt-get install <pkg>
[07:05] <kkathman> cameron: and now what happens when you do the install?
[07:05] <kkathman> it says that dependent pkgs are not there?
[07:05] <cameron> no
[07:06] <cameron> Can't find kernel sources in /usr/src/linux-2.6.12;
[07:06] <cameron> which is where they are.
[07:06] <kkathman> Hey raphink :)
[07:06] <kkathman> cameron: ooooooo
[07:07] <kkathman> cameron: have you recently done a dist-upgrade?
[07:07] <kkathman> or run an adept updater?
[07:07] <cameron> kkathman: yes
[07:07] <cameron> did a dist-upgrade before 3.5
[07:08] <kkathman> that sounds like you ran the adept-updater and got a kernel release but forgot to do the dist-upgrade
[07:08] <kkathman> but if you did, Im baffled
[07:08] <cameron> whats the command to do it?
[07:08] <cameron> I may be thinking of a different one
[07:09] <cameron> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[07:09] <kkathman> cameron: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:09] <Paradoxx> what do you all think about linus's view on KDE vs Gnome?
[07:09] <JDahl> what's there difference between kubuntu dapper and ubuntu dapper with kubuntu-desktop installed?
[07:09] <kkathman> JDahl: nothing
[07:09] <kkathman> well
[07:09] <cameron> kkathman: dist-upgrade did nothing
[07:09] <kkathman> JDahl: if you do the latter you have BOTH dms
[07:10] <kkathman> cameron: sounds very odd
[07:10] <cameron> whats the command to check kernel version?
[07:10] <cameron> kkathman: yeah =\
[07:11] <jpat|away> cameron: rname or something
[07:11] <JabberWokky> Anybody know if there's anything special needed when installing on an Adaptec RAID controller?  I configured it to mirror two 400GB drives, but I'm seeing 800GB at the Partition Disks install screen (step 3 or so in 5.10 install)
[07:11] <kkathman> cameron: uname -a
[07:12] <cameron> ok, so I am running the correct sources
[07:12] <cameron> :P
[07:12] <kkathman> cameron: do you still have the KDE3.5 repos enabled?
[07:13] <cameron> yes
[07:13] <kkathman> cameron:  i imagine they are ok, but you might just try commenting that one out and doing the dist-upgrade again...just a thought (i dont think it will do anything)
[07:13] <kkathman> Tm_T:  are you around today ????
[07:14] <kkathman> cameron: Tm_T is very good source for these kinds of issues...so is apokryphos :)
[07:15] <cameron> kk
[07:15] <kkathman> Ive tried to page them for you
[07:15] <kkathman> nalioth would be good also, but he's still asleep
[07:15] <cameron> sleep is good :)
[07:15] <kkathman> ROFL yes
[07:16] <jahshua--> hey i just downloaded a movie with bittorrent and its like 93 individual .rar files .. how do i put them all together to make it one ... movie
[07:16] <cameron> heh. ended up goign to bed at almost 5am last night trying to fix this
[07:16] <jahshua--> heh
[07:17] <cameron> jahshua--: extract the first one, it should end up as one big video file
[07:18] <cameron> kkathman: apparently my sources are not configured... and yet they are installed.   Any idea what this means?
[07:21] <jahshua--> cameron: really? someone else just suggested gfslice ?
[07:21] <ClayG> nah use unrar or whatever nix's version is
[07:22] <cameron> jahshua--: there things like xx00 through xx12 <-- 12 can be anything...  right?
[07:22] <ClayG> it should be either 1 or 2 files. usually a .bin and a .cue or a .mpg if only one. sometimes they come in .avi
[07:22] <Tm_T> ?
[07:22] <Tm_T> cameron: problems?
[07:23] <ClayG> god firefox crashes even on nix
[07:23] <ClayG> wow, i thought it was a windows thing
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: ive installed the 2.6.12 sources, but apparently they are not configured... ive been trying to install ndiswrapper, and the sources cant be found
[07:23] <Tm_T> cameron: headers too
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: even after providing the path to the installer
[07:23] <cameron> Tm_T: ive got the headers
[07:23] <Tm_T> hmm
[07:24] <cameron> ls: /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/build/.config
[07:24] <cameron> gives me no such file or drectory
[07:24] <cameron> if that helps at all
[07:24] <Tm_T> cameron: try reinstalling
[07:24] <cameron> Tm_T: I have, a few times :P
[07:24] <Tm_T> I don't know much about kernel things
[07:25] <cameron> kk
[07:25] <cameron> :S
[07:26] <kkathman> sigh
[07:26] <kkathman> cameron:  you might need to jump over to #ubuntu
[07:27] <ClayG> is there anyting as good as firefox that isn't firefox
[07:27] <ClayG> im sick of it doing the default profile crap
[07:27] <ClayG> where it doesn't load and disappearts
[07:27] <cameron> kkathman: ok, thanks for your help :)
[07:28] <NPC_Crys> how do I kill a program?
[07:28] <Tm_T> killall <program> or kill <pid>
[07:29] <NPC_Crys> how do I see the pid?
[07:29] <ClayG> ah killall firefox didnt work
[07:29] <NPC_Crys> I need killall winebut it wont work.
[07:29] <cameron> NPC_Crys: sudo?
[07:30] <ClayG> ps -aux
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> wine: no process killed.
[07:30] <kkathman> ClayG: it loads and disappears because you  already have it running...go to ksysguard and kill any ghosts of it then restart
[07:30] <ClayG> no it was because i was calling if the wrong thing
[07:30] <ClayG> killall firefox-bin
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> Got it!
[07:30] <ClayG> was what i needed
[07:30] <kkathman> ok
[07:30] <NPC_Crys> I killalled konsole.
[07:30] <kkathman> well same idea ;)
[07:31] <NPC_Crys> Good thing I used konsole to rune wine steam.exe
[07:31] <eaffe> hi
[07:31] <NPC_Crys> What will #regsys32 do?
[07:32] <minoss> Elo everyone
[07:32] <NPC_Crys> I mean #regsvr32 mozctlx.dll?
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> Hello, minos.
[07:33] <minoss> Anybody tha can help a noop plz?
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> Don't ask to ask. Just ask.
[07:33] <NPC_Crys> We'll help if we can.
[07:33] <_frank_> Hello @ll
[07:34] <eaffe> i have a question concerning shell scripts in X : i wrote a script to turn on/off my wifi and it works from the shell, but when starting it from X nothing happens
[07:34] <kkathman> hi  _frank_
[07:34] <kkathman> eaffe: prolly you need to do a chmod +x
[07:34] <eaffe> no
[07:34] <eaffe> allready done it
[07:35] <kkathman> eaffe: hmm ok
[07:35] <eaffe> it just doesn't open a shell, I suppose
[07:35] <minoss> Elo can anyone plz help me
[07:35] <kkathman> eaffe: are you calling it with /bin/bash ??
[07:35] <eaffe> ?
[07:35] <kkathman> minoss: ask your question please
[07:35] <Tm_T> exactly
[07:35] <minoss> ok t6hx
[07:36] <kkathman> eaffe: you need to precede it with /bin/bash/<command>
[07:36] <Tm_T> kkathman: nnnnoo!
[07:36] <ClayG> is there a better place than ebay to buy networking equip?
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T:  no?? thats what I've done
[07:36] <ClayG> I went out to home depot last night, 5 bucks a rj45 jack
[07:36] <eaffe> you mean putting /bin/bash on top of the script ?
[07:36] <kkathman> Tm_T says no..but thats what I did...so I will turn you over to Tm_T
[07:36] <Tm_T> eaffe: firs line in this format: #!/bin/sh
[07:37] <Tm_T> and next lines are your script
[07:37] <eaffe> Tm_T: Iknow
[07:37] <Tm_T> ok
[07:37] <Tm_T> then that part is ok
[07:37] <Tm_T> kkathman: to you too ;)
[07:37] <eaffe> kkathman: what did you mean ?
[07:37] <kkathman> minoss ??? questions ?
[07:37] <Tm_T> aseigo: hello sir
[07:37] <kkathman> Tm_T:  mine have /bin/bash  not /bin/sh
[07:38] <Tm_T> kkathman: both works, sh is lighter
[07:38] <Tm_T> and enough most of the time
[07:38] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off, see you later ->
[07:38] <eaffe> kkathman: the thing is, that it works when calling ./wlanoff.sh from the shell but nit when doubleclicking it in X
[07:38] <minoss> If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:39] <kkathman> eaffe: did you create an icon?
[07:39] <eaffe> kkathman: it is on the desktop
[07:40] <kkathman> eaffe: right...so what did you put as the command?
[07:40] <eaffe> kkathman: which command ? I created a script in the /home/username/Desktop folder
[07:41] <cameron> kkathman: I think I found part of the problem... I got the newer sources with the dist-upgrade... but it didnt give me the newer headers aswell!
[07:41] <kkathman> eaffe: if you put the /bin/sh  or /bin/bash in your script as Tm_T said, and you made it chmod +x, then you should be able to launch with "/usr/bin/local/<cmd>"  or whereever you put it
[07:41] <kkathman> cameron: that could very well be
[07:41] <dandielionous> Anyone know anything about amorak?
[07:42] <dandielionous> :)
[07:42] <kkathman> eaffe: I guess when I put a icon on my desktop I right click and link to app
[07:42] <minoss>  If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:42] <dark_suic> amorak?
[07:42] <dark_suic> dandielionous, you mean amarok?
[07:42] <dandielionous> uh yes
[07:42] <dandielionous> lol
[07:42] <dark_suic> :P
[07:42] <dandielionous> I thought you were leaving.
[07:42] <dandielionous> :)
[07:42] <dark_suic> i did
[07:42] <dark_suic> :P
[07:42] <dandielionous> Me too for a little while.
[07:42] <eaffe> kkathman: I think the problem is more something like that it does not start a shell window ..?
[07:43] <dark_suic> well, never leave the channel, but i do leave the chair xD
[07:43] <dandielionous> I was just trying to get amarok configured.
[07:43] <dark_suic> :)
[07:43] <dark_suic> amarok needs an additional package for playing mp3, now that i remember...
[07:43] <dark_suic> k3b-mp3 i think
[07:43] <dandielionous> I wondered if there was an easier softer way like what you showed me before.
[07:43] <minoss> Network problems.Can anyone help me plz
[07:44] <dandielionous> I'm not really sure what mp3 is other than music.
[07:44] <dandielionous> I want to listen to radio stations.
[07:44] <eaffe> kkathman: because when I put f.ex. konsole as second line it opens the console but does not execute the rest of the script
[07:44] <dandielionous> But it tells me I can't find the wave files.
[07:44] <dark_suic> ok :P
[07:44] <dandielionous> Or it just sits there and buffers.
[07:44] <dark_suic> don't know
[07:44] <dandielionous> I guess I could download music eventually.
[07:44] <dark_suic> don't listen to internet radio stations :P
[07:44] <dandielionous> But you think I need an additional file?
[07:45] <dark_suic> for playing mp3 you do
[07:45] <dandielionous> I'd like to find some things I don't have in my jds.
[07:45] <kkathman> eaffe: ahh.. hmm
[07:45] <dandielionous> cds
[07:45] <dandielionous> sorry
[07:45] <dark_suic> :)
[07:45] <flujan> exit
[07:45] <kkathman> minoss could you please ask your network question
[07:45] <dandielionous> Well that sounds like another long project.
[07:45] <minoss> ok
[07:45] <cameron> kkathman: yeah, that was the problem, headers didnt get updated >.<
[07:45] <minoss>  If i go in my network setting and click administrator mode it ask me 4 a password.When i tipe it in it goes open and close very fast.Need to change my dns add enable my second network adapter.Plz help
[07:45] <dark_suic> i'm seeing that amarok doesn't get signals from inet radio stations :(
[07:45] <dandielionous> I have kmymoney set up now.
[07:45] <kkathman> cameron: excellent!! thats good to hear you got it fixed!!
[07:45] <dark_suic> or at least not without plugins i don't know :)
[07:46] <dandielionous> Does kaffein?
[07:46] <dark_suic> that's good
[07:46] <kkathman> dandielionous: kmymoney is excellent
[07:46] <dark_suic> minoss, sudo kcontrol
[07:46] <dandielionous> I really like it.
[07:46] <dark_suic> that won't ask you for root pass, minoss
[07:46] <minoss> ?
[07:46] <dandielionous> I was using mymoney on windows.
[07:46] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i don't know... hang on a sec :P
[07:46] <kkathman> minoss did you just install kubuntu?
[07:46] <dandielionous> Then tried the gnucash or something like that for Mandrake Linux.
[07:46] <dandielionous> Very hard but I got it.
[07:47] <minoss> Hey i don't knoe linux at all
[07:47] <dandielionous> kmymoney looks like a breeze compared to the others I've used.
[07:47] <dandielionous> Welcome to my world minoss.
[07:47] <dark_suic> dandielionous, kaffeine does receive :)
[07:47] <dandielionous> lol
[07:47] <kkathman> minoss please run your adept updater and fetch updates and install them...that will fix your administrator problem you are experiencing
[07:47] <minoss> lol
[07:47] <dandielionous> kewl ty dark.
[07:47] <dandielionous> I thinnk I'm going to have to research that.
[07:47] <eaffe> deos someone else have a key to my problem ?
[07:47] <dark_suic> minoss, just execute in a konsole "sudo kcontrol"
[07:47] <dandielionous> I tried to put a url in kaffein and itdoesn't work.
[07:48] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[07:48] <kkathman> dark_suic: that wont do it...cuz he needs to get the updates
[07:48] <dandielionous> And tried to connect to shoutcast and have amarok handle it and that didn't work.
[07:48] <kkathman> its a very common problem
[07:48] <dandielionous> <<<female
[07:48] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it's not opening an url
[07:48] <dandielionous> no
[07:48] <dandielionous> so I think maybe I'm missing something.
[07:48] <dark_suic> it's going to file -> net broadcasting ->receive
[07:48] <kkathman> minoss: open k-menu, and choose adept updater and run it
[07:49] <dark_suic> there you should put the url and the port
[07:49] <dark_suic> and it should work...
[07:49] <dandielionous> I'm getting a popup.
[07:49] <dark_suic> but don't trust at all in me, i haven't tested it
[07:49] <dandielionous> OH amorak was in my taskbar.
[07:49] <dandielionous> Giving me little popups it
[07:49] <minoss> k-menu?
[07:49] <minoss> konsole
[07:49] <dandielionous> it's changing sounds.
[07:49] <dark_suic> :P
[07:50] <dandielionous> or tracks but I have no sound.
[07:50] <dandielionous> ksCd will play music from my cds.
[07:50] <dark_suic> :P
[07:50] <dandielionous> I just want to be kewl like I've read about.
[07:50] <dark_suic> yep :)
[07:50] <dandielionous> click on a radio station and play it.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Drink my tea.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Work on stuff.
[07:50] <dandielionous> kewl you know.
[07:50] <dandielionous> Now I need to figure out how to do that.
[07:50] <dandielionous> lol
[07:51] <dark_suic> well, there will be lots of guides on the internet, but i haven't read any :P
[07:51] <dandielionous> Well I appreciate the input.
[07:51] <eaffe> am I the only one who tries to run a shell script out of X?
[07:51] <dandielionous> I'd rather have an "I don't know" than misdirection.
[07:52] <dandielionous> Do you know if I have to defrag and scan disk with kubuntu?
[07:52] <dark_suic> O__o
[07:52] <dark_suic> you shouldn't :P
[07:52] <z-vet> :)
[07:52] <dandielionous> Do you know what the top end for memory using resources is?
[07:52] <hussam> dandielionous: it will automatically do a disk check every 30 reboots
[07:52] <dandielionous> Or how I check that?
[07:52] <JabberWokky> Mental note: when walking somebody through installing a system with a RAID, never assume they set the RAID up correctly.
[07:53] <dandielionous> What does a disk check do?
[07:53] <z-vet> like checkdisk in windoze
[07:53] <dandielionous> Same thing as scan disk or defrag?
[07:53] <z-vet> check for errors
[07:53] <dandielionous> Okay that's good.
[07:53] <z-vet> emmm
[07:53] <dandielionous> Is there less fragmentation with kubuntu.
[07:53] <hussam> dandielionous: similar to scan disk. it will chek the filesystem for erorrs
[07:53] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: More like scandisk. But it runs automatically when needed (or every 30th boot)
[07:54] <dandielionous> Does it take a long time?
[07:54] <dandielionous> Will I be aware it's doing it?
[07:54] <eaffe> well, thanks anyways .. bye
[07:54] <hussam> dandielionous: a minute or so depending on size of disk
[07:54] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/fragment.html  -- last paragraph.
[07:55] <dandielionous> ty I'm reading the link now.
[07:55] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: When booting, probably, depending on how big your disk is.  It pauses and waits for the check to finish, so it takes longer to boot.
[07:55] <dandielionous> I'm just used to scheduling my defrag and scan disk.
[07:55] <z-vet> does anyone know how do i add Firefox to right-click menu in XChat?
[07:55] <z-vet> some howto or something?
[07:55] <dandielionous> At least it doesn't stop me in the middle of a task.
[07:55] <kakei> hey does any one knows the name of the font of the kubuntu logo
[07:56] <hussam> JabberWokky: it does actually get fragmented. mine is more than 3% fragmented
[07:56] <dandielionous> HEY great last paragraph.
[07:57] <dandielionous> Good News! Very little fragmentation.
[07:57] <JabberWokky> hussam: Yes, but it corrects itself as it runs, so it's somewhat constantly defragging (not technically, but the effect is similar).
[07:57] <dandielionous> God I love linux more and more.
[07:57] <dandielionous> lol
[07:57] <z-vet> hehe
[07:58] <hussam> dandielionous: linux is just smarter.
[07:58] <dandielionous> Especially since I can install programs now thanks to dark_suic .
[07:58] <dandielionous> So glad I changed to kubuntu from Mandrake.
[07:58] <dandielionous> I actually might recommend this version of linux. lol
[07:59] <jorik> konqueror only does the audio preview for ogg files, can i set it up so it does it for mp3s aswell ?
[07:59] <dandielionous> Do any of you know about resources limitation.
[07:59] <hussam> JabberWokky: hmm, I haven't heard of that mechanism before. does it auto defrag itself then?
[07:59] <dandielionous> Like too many things running in the task bar.
[08:00] <z-vet> dandielionous, what do you mean?
[08:00] <dandielionous> Windows has a limitation or did up until xp pro about how many things could be running at once.
[08:00] <dandielionous> <<<<<used win98 forever.
[08:01] <dandielionous> lol
[08:01] <dandielionous> I forget the exact size but it's something like 1500.
[08:01] <dark_suic> dandielionous, i know it's possible, but just don't know how
[08:01] <dandielionous> I don't want to limit it.
[08:01] <z-vet> yes, it shows you a BSOD when there are too many processes
[08:01] <dandielionous> IF it can handle it let it go.
[08:01] <dark_suic> a friend of mine told me that it's possible, but didn't tell me how :P
[08:02] <xwolf-> how do i shut down the pc from the shell
[08:02] <JabberWokky> hussam: No, it's part of how ext2 works (and inodes in general).  Basically, stuff can be moved around on *nix because an app never sees the actual disk itself... only kernel space processes (basically the file system).
[08:02] <hussam> dandielionous: yeah, on windows 9x , system resources were liminted regardless of how much ram you had
[08:02] <xwolf-> (not a terminal)
[08:02] <dark_suic> xwolf-, sudo init 0
[08:02] <dandielionous> That's correct hussam.
[08:02] <dandielionous> Really had to be careful.
[08:03] <hussam> dandielionous: nt kernel in win2k and xp is much better.
[08:03] <dandielionous> I feel like I'm getting around on my computer better now.  I can find my drives and files better now that I switched to kubuntu.
[08:03] <sampan> xwolf-, been awhile but iirc the cli shutdown line was: shutdown -h now
[08:04] <dandielionous> I was using win2003 when I switched.
[08:04] <dandielionous> I had a free copy that had to be reinstalled every 6 months.
[08:04] <dandielionous> That's one of the major reasons I switched.
[08:04] <z-vet> you'll find more later...
[08:04] <dandielionous> It was switch to linux or look at spending thousands of dollars trying to keep up with windows.
[08:04] <z-vet> :)
[08:04] <hussam> an evaluation version
[08:05] <dandielionous> Yeah it worked great.
[08:05] <dandielionous> But the package costs $1,999.
[08:05] <dandielionous> That's not even the office programs included.
[08:05] <dark_suic> well, and now you have really basic concepts, you'll see when you discover how to do more complicated things :)
[08:05] <hussam> dandielionous: well, it IS a server os
[08:06] <dark_suic> :P
[08:06] <dandielionous> Yeah well I guess I didn't really need all that for my home computer.
[08:06] <dandielionous> But I liked having the power to do it if I wanted to.
[08:06] <dandielionous> Which is what I like about linux.
[08:06] <dark_suic> :)
[08:06] <dandielionous> I could run a whole company off linux if I wanted to.
[08:07] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: I am.
[08:07] <dandielionous> A lot of the features of win2003 are built right into kubuntu.
[08:07] <z-vet> lol
[08:07] <dandielionous> I can understand why JabberWokky.
[08:07] <dark_suic> for example?
[08:07] <dandielionous> Like being able to monitor all the other computers on the network.
[08:07] <dandielionous> And seeing what each of them are doing.
[08:08] <dandielionous> And cut them off if I wanted to.
[08:08] <Puaff> hello all, please, are the events of the acpi and laptop-support packages the only way to suspend a laptop? is it possible to suspend it into memory?
[08:08] <kosh> now how about being able to do that securely? :)
[08:08] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Yes, but it depends on what your system supports.
[08:08] <dandielionous> That's where I believe linux and win2003 have in common also is being able to do it securely.
[08:09] <dandielionous> That a user at a lower level can't see what the upper levels are doing.
[08:09] <dandielionous> Not without permission.
[08:09] <JabberWokky> Puaff: For instance, on my laptop I can suspend to memory, but not to disk because of my ATI video card.
[08:09] <hussam> dandielionous: win2003 R2 has Services For Unix integrated
[08:10] <dandielionous> Really!
[08:10] <Puaff> JabberWokky: I have the reverse case
[08:10] <dandielionous> Must be why I see some similarities.
[08:10] <Puaff> JabberWokky: I don't know how to suspend to memory
[08:10] <JabberWokky> Puaff: You *can* do them all... just some of them sometimes don't work (on Windows as well.. it's a hardware issue sometimes).
[08:10] <dandielionous> I don't either Puaff I was wondering what that ment. lol
[08:11] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Go to Control Center > Power Control > Laptop Battery
[08:11] <dandielionous> Is there a control panel on kubuntu?
[08:11] <dandielionous> That looks like windows.
[08:11] <JabberWokky> Puaff: Then in the last tab "Setup Helper Application" button...
[08:12] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: settings://
[08:12] <JabberWokky> In Konqueror
[08:12] <dandielionous> Okay ty.
[08:12] <JabberWokky> Or rather settings:/
[08:12] <dandielionous> Yes I was exploring konqueror I see how it works similar to control panel.
[08:13] <dandielionous> And My Computer.
[08:13] <JabberWokky> Puaff: You can also open Konqueror and go to settings:/PowerControl/ and click "Laptop Battery" to get there.
[08:13] <dark_suic> oh man, let's pray for our god, konqueror!!!
[08:13] <dark_suic> :P
[08:13] <dark_suic> dandielionous, you have a more complete control-panel in k-menu -> system-settings
[08:13] <dark_suic> and an even better executing kcontrol
[08:13] <Puaff> right now I have ubuntu+kde in my desktop computer and ubuntu+gnome in the laptop, I'm thinking to also install kde in the laptop, i'll keep this log and try it
[08:14] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: Hey, I wrote the essay and original paper on extended URLs way back before KDE 1.0.  Quoted RFCs and all... and now you all think it comes from Windows?  Heh.
[08:14] <dandielionous> mmmm me thinks windows steals linux idea.
[08:14] <JabberWokky> I was pushing for printer:// usage.  Actually, I got the idea from Novell.
[08:14] <dandielionous> Where is k-menu.
[08:14] <dandielionous> Oh start.
[08:14] <dandielionous> sorry
[08:15] <JabberWokky> dandielionous: You mean the start button that NeXT invented?
[08:15] <dandielionous> hey yeah I found that system settings menu.
[08:15] <dandielionous> That is like control panel.
[08:15] <dandielionous> hehehe
[08:15] <dandielionous> I feel Powerful. lol
[08:15] <dandielionous> What is NeXT.
[08:16] <dark_suic> next is k-menu -> run command... -> kcontrol
[08:16] <Puaff> is the python package in [k] ubuntu update enought to be used to do make -f Mafile.cvs to compile kdelib?
[08:16] <dark_suic> kcontrol powa!!
[08:16] <dandielionous> ty dark_suic .
[08:16] <_johnflux> my gf is going through my clothes and telling me to burn everything from my ex
[08:16] <_johnflux> what should I do
[08:17] <dandielionous> Reassure her.
[08:17] <dark_suic> well, if you like his clothes, why not keeping them?
[08:17] <dark_suic> :P
[08:17] <Puaff> i'm having troble with this
[08:17] <sampan> johnflux  depends on how much you like your current gf and how expensive the old clothes are ;)
[08:17] <JohnFlux> dark_suic: HAHA!  A GAY JOKE!  THAT'S THE FUNNY!
[08:17] <dark_suic> :P
[08:17] <JohnFlux> sampan: it's only a couple of t-shirts and a towel
[08:18] <JabberWokky> Here's the RFC that spawned my essays: ftp://ftp.isi.edu/in-notes/rfc2838.txt   I can't seem to find the original essay series.  Seems the old KDE mailing list archives are offline.
[08:18] <sampan> johnflux  if it were me and i liked her, i'd ditch a couple tshirts and a towel on her request
[08:18] <JabberWokky> Damn shame they closed the IETF working group.  A standardized internet video feed would have been nice.
[08:18] <dandielionous> ty JabberWokky
[08:18] <sampan> but i'm a softie -- so ymmv
[08:19] <dandielionous> Gees you know Kate works great.
[08:19] <dandielionous> So much better than Acrobat tying up and slowing down my system.
[08:20] <dandielionous> That reminds me I was trying to get news feeds.
[08:21] <dandielionous> Something else I have to research.
[08:21] <hussam> dandielionous: there is a acrobat reader for linux. I have it installed for firefox
[08:21] <dandielionous> acrobat is slow.
[08:21] <nlboy> Hello
[08:21] <kosh> I find that kpdf works just as well most of the time but it takes a tiny fraction of the resources
[08:21] <dandielionous> I just have a standard computer I guess.
[08:21] <dandielionous> 750 mhz and 512 ram.
[08:22] <dandielionous> 80 gig hard drive.
[08:22] <nlboy> This is about the first time i'm on linux (livecd) can someone help me installing firefox?
[08:22] <dandielionous> cable connect.
[08:22] <hussam> dandielionous: I have only 384MB ram
[08:22] <dandielionous> I just upgraded my ram.
[08:22] <dark_suic> well, in a livecd you won't probably install firefox :P (afaik)
[08:22] <sampan> kosh, does kpdf handle interactive pdf?  my university uses online interactive pdf forms -- you fill in blanks and submit info via a pdf portal.
[08:22] <dandielionous> I only 128 for a long time.
[08:22] <nlboy> dark_suic, at least get it running
[08:22] <dark_suic> :)
[08:22] <nlboy> i think you know what i mean ;)
[08:23] <kosh> no idea I have never run into an interactive pdf
[08:23] <dark_suic> ubuntu or kubuntu live, nlboy
[08:23] <dandielionous> nlboy did you have trouble with your resolution?
[08:23] <nlboy> kubuntu
[08:23] <nlboy> dandielionous:  nope
[08:23] <dandielionous> Just checking I did.
[08:23] <kosh> I only have 2048M of ram right now
[08:23] <dark_suic> nlboy, you will have konqueror instead of firefox
[08:23] <nlboy> but ive never used linux before so its totally new to me :P
[08:23] <dandielionous> Thought I had to download drivers.  Turned out I only had to change my resolution.
[08:24] <sampan> kosh, *nod*  yeah ... i didn't dare try it either -- when it's 25,000 USD on the line, i wanted to make darn sure it was gonna work ;x
[08:24] <nlboy> yeah but dark_suic isnt there a way to use firefox?
[08:24] <dark_suic> i doubt it in a livecd...
[08:24] <dandielionous> wow that's a lot of ram kosh
[08:24] <hussam> kosh: only 2048MB ram ? :)
[08:24] <dark_suic> (i might be wrong)
[08:24] <nlboy> oh
[08:24] <kosh> yup I plan to upgrade to 8-12G when more money comes in
[08:24] <nlboy> cause i did download it
[08:24] <nlboy> and extracted it
[08:25] <dandielionous> I don't think computers support 8-12G of ram kosh.
[08:25] <nlboy> and now im stuck with some *.sh files a couple of *.so files and a *.bin file thingy
[08:25] <hussam> kosh: kernel.org runs on a server with 24G ram
[08:25] <dandielionous> If you go to 64bit it only supports up to 1 or 2 gig
[08:25] <dandielionous> Shows what I know I guess.
[08:25] <dandielionous> lol
[08:26] <dandielionous> 2048MG = 2gig?
[08:26] <kosh> umm 64bit should support up to 128G at least on most motherboards for opteron chips
[08:26] <kosh> yeah 2048M = 2G
[08:26] <hussam> dandielionous: 2048MB = 2GB
[08:26] <dandielionous> ty mistyped that.
[08:26] <dandielionous> MB not MG
[08:27] <dandielionous> Gee I'd blow some of these gamers out of the water with that kind of memory. lol
[08:27] <nlboy> and what about java, can i run java on a livecd?
[08:27] <nlboy> is it preinstalled?
[08:27] <dandielionous> nlboy on live cd you can't write to it.
[08:28] <nlboy> no but you can write to memory
[08:28] <nlboy> i downloaded some mp3s ;)
[08:28] <dandielionous> Maybe I should shut up after the memory fiasco.
[08:28] <dark_suic> that is, although you play over the ram... you won't be able to do much more than testing the system (both the os and your own pc)
[08:28] <nlboy> and firefox tar.gz
[08:28] <nlboy> hmm
[08:29] <nlboy> but i can download stuff and thing like tha
[08:29] <nlboy> t
[08:29] <kosh> umm you don't need that much memory for gaming
[08:29] <kosh> not even close
[08:29] <nlboy> i wanna try how java runs on linux but i cant without installing if i understand it right?
[08:29] <kosh> you do need it for some types of database work though :)
[08:29] <dandielionous> It would be funny though kosh.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I'm not a real big gamer anyway.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I like Nancy Drew games.
[08:30] <dandielionous> I can't run those on here now with linux.
[08:30] <dandielionous> Or my Sherlock Holmes game.
[08:30] <hussam> dandielionous: who's nancy drew?
[08:30] <dandielionous> But that's okay.  I'll survive.
[08:30] <dandielionous> Nancy Drew girl detective.
[08:30] <dandielionous> It's a game.
[08:31] <dandielionous> Solving mysteries and crimes.
[08:31] <hussam> dandielionous: try running it using wine
[08:31] <dandielionous> What is wine?
[08:31] <nlboy> wine is a windows emulator thingy
[08:31] <dandielionous> Is it a package I install?
[08:32] <dandielionous> Sorry too technical nlboy anything past thing a ma bob and I'm lost.
[08:32] <dandielionous> hehehehe
[08:32] <nlboy> lol
[08:32] <dandielionous> joke
[08:32] <hussam> dandielionous: add this to sources.list : deb http://wine.sourceforge.net/apt/ binary/
[08:32] <nlboy> how can i see if this live cd has java
[08:33] <dandielionous> Great!  Ty hussam .
[08:33] <hussam> dandielionous: then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install wine
[08:35] <dandielionous> I'm installing wine. :)
[08:35] <dandielionous> I'm so kewl.
[08:35] <dandielionous> hehehe
[08:35] <dandielionous> lol
[08:35] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[08:36] <dandielionous> yes
[08:36] <dandielionous> This is so great.
[08:36] <dark_suic> you had wine in synaptic :P
[08:36] <dandielionous> Installing programs.
[08:36] <dandielionous> I was wondering about that.
[08:36] <dark_suic> wine is not good for running games though
[08:36] <dandielionous> What is it good for?
[08:36] <dark_suic> that's work of cedega, but cedega isn't free....
[08:36] <dandielionous> Can it run the mavis typing disk>
[08:36] <dandielionous> ?
[08:37] <dark_suic> it's for less complex programs...
[08:37] <hussam> dark_suic: the new wine 0.9.5 is good
[08:37] <dark_suic> you can try with wine, but it isn't sure to work...
[08:37] <dark_suic> hussam, haven't tested, probably will update... now :P
[08:38] <dandielionous> I don't know where it went.
[08:38] <hussam> dark_suic: I don't actually use wine but I know somebody who has it working
[08:38] <rance> hi guys, after my second kubuntu install im my experience with the software updater and installer I think Im ready to switch distros
[08:38] <hussam> dandielionous: did you apt-get install wine?
[08:38] <vytautas> hi, i can't instal Prima(perl module),  can anyone read makefile.log ? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/492222
[08:38] <dandielionous> yes
[08:38] <jorik> anyone knows how i can get konqueror to also preview mp3 files? (it only does ogg right now)
[08:39] <dandielionous> I apt-get install wine.
[08:39] <rance> so far Im very pleased with what Ive seen
[08:39] <kkathman> rance: good news, welcome aboard :)
[08:40] <Flixor-> yep welcome rance
[08:40] <hussam> rance: brilliant. what were you using before?
[08:40] <rance> ive used fedora, slackware, and even gentoo
[08:40] <rance> but i was never happy with the update / upgrade process
[08:41] <dandielionous> It didn't install in my kmenu.
[08:41] <dandielionous> I think synoptic does that.
[08:41] <dark_suic> dandielionous,
[08:41] <dandielionous> yes
[08:41] <dark_suic> wine won't appear there :P
[08:41] <dandielionous> oh
[08:41] <hussam> rance: one of the good things about kubuntu is that you can easily upgrade from one release to another.
[08:41] <C-O-L-T> do you think fedora core is better than ubuntu
[08:41] <dandielionous> where would it go?
[08:41] <dark_suic> for using wine there you mas also install xwine
[08:41] <dark_suic> the same way
[08:41] <C-O-L-T> I am thinking of switching
[08:41] <dandielionous> Okay.
[08:42] <sas171> ok, mabe here is someone who knows the answer... i have  problems with my pppoe dsl connection, someone who can help me?
[08:42] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: I hated Fedora Core - bloated, and lots of broken packages (rpms)
[08:42] <rance> only had two small troubles with my install on my home machine, X didnt properly detect my monitor settings, which I know how to fix in the xorg.conf file by hand if I have to, and my scanner wasnt properly registered
[08:42] <dark_suic> C-O-L-T, no way :P i think that kubuntu is 10000000000 times better :P
[08:42] <rance> but the scanners fixed and all is well with the world
[08:42] <kkathman> sas171: what kinds of problems
[08:42] <Flixor-> dark_suic, could you tell me what xwine is
[08:43] <hussam> C-O-L-T: I've tried fedora core 3 but I never liked rpm based distros and it won't always let you upgrade from release to release.
[08:43] <dandielionous> Says it can't find xwine.
[08:43] <kkathman> hussam - thats very correct
[08:43] <dark_suic> Flixor-, xwine is a gui for wine, it just asks you where is the .exe that you want to run and run it :)
[08:43] <rance> ubuntu/kubuntu havent been around very long but have really come a long way in a short time
[08:43] <dark_suic> O__o
[08:43] <C-O-L-T> hussam: Kubuntu lets you?
[08:43] <dark_suic> hang on a sec, dandielionous
[08:43] <rance> and to do the install on a single cd, great
[08:44] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it should appear O__o
[08:44] <Flixor-> btw is it allso possible to run photoshop cs2 with wine dark_suic
[08:44] <dark_suic> it tells me that is in universe :P
[08:44] <rance> oh and the free open source stuff for windows packed onto the cd was a nice touch for the skeptics, especially the pdf creator
[08:44] <hussam> C-O-L-T: yep, just sudo kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list and change the release from hoary to breezy or breezy to dapper and dist-upgrade to the next release.
[08:44] <dandielionous> Well maybe I should use synoptic to install it.
[08:44] <sas171> kkathman: no internet connection on startup
[08:44] <kkathman> Flixor-: I tried photoshop 7, and while it "ran" it wasnt really workable for me
[08:44] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it doesn't appear in synaptic?
[08:44] <dandielionous> one moment.
[08:44] <Flixor-> ehm
[08:44] <dark_suic> Flixor-, no idea... was a question or just a comment?
[08:45] <Flixor-> what where the problems kkathman
[08:45] <Flixor-> it was a question dark_suic
[08:45] <sas171> kkathman: http://pastebin.com/492217
[08:45] <kkathman> sas171: ok, are you attached to a router, or directly to the modem?
[08:45] <dandielionous> I found xwine in synaptic.
[08:45] <hussam> C-O-L-T: I've upgraded using apt from hoary to breezy.
[08:45] <C-O-L-T> hussam: I see now
[08:46] <dark_suic> dandielionous, when installing packages, always try first in synaptic :)
[08:46] <dark_suic> it's the easiest and better way :P
[08:46] <dandielionous> I hear that dark_suic .
[08:46] <kkathman> Flixor-: I run photoshop in Windows at 1280 x 1024, and like the detail resolution.  Wine couldnt seem to handle the fine movements and details  - very jumpy (cuz its an interpreter)
[08:46] <dandielionous> I should have tried synaptic first for wine also.
[08:46] <dandielionous> Live and learn.
[08:46] <dark_suic> kkathman, we would have to test the new version
[08:47] <dandielionous> Hope I haven't messed it up now.
[08:47] <dark_suic> but i think that photoshop is too complex for wine
[08:47] <kkathman> dark_suic: it would be nice if it were better  :)
[08:48] <Flixor-> oke and with crossover wine is that a better option
[08:48] <chry> hi 2 all
[08:48] <kkathman> but I know Flixor- is a perfectionist with his photography, and I dont think you'd be happy
[08:48] <sas171> kkathman: directly, i have ppp0 running on startup but there is no iternet access, i get internet only after pon dsl-provider and then i have 2 ppps running (like in the ifconfig  i posted)
[08:48] <kkathman> Flixor-: I tried crossover also...still wasnt good
[08:48] <Flixor-> ehm well then we dont run it we shall use the gimp instead for web plublication
[08:49] <Flixor-> ehm need to go home
[08:49] <kkathman> sas yes I saw the two. Looks like you arent authenticating
[08:49] <dandielionous> I don't know why I'm installing wine anyway.
[08:49] <kkathman> Flixor-: careful out there!
[08:49] <Flixor-> be back laters in 30 to 45 minutes
[08:49] <dandielionous> Only reason I want it is for my mavis typing disk and a few things like that.
[08:49] <dandielionous> Nancy drew etc.
[08:49] <kkathman> dandielionous: I dont know either ... usually people install wine for games
[08:49] <dandielionous> lol
[08:50] <dandielionous> Well I'm very busy over here one way or another. lol
[08:50] <dark_suic> kkathman, installing wine for games isn't a good idea, they probably won't work :P
[08:50] <kkathman> dandielionous: I always try to find an equivalent linux package first, in most cases I have been satisfied :)
[08:50] <jahshua--> hey can anyone help me out im trying to get mplayer to play a dvd i downloaded in fullscreen ... i tried ..  mplayer -vo xv .. that didnt work .. i also hit f while it was playing but that just made the window bigger but not the screen ..anyone got any other ideas??
[08:50] <kkathman> dark_suic: yah I know ... just saying thats why alot of people try to install wine :)
[08:50] <dandielionous> ty kkathman.  I really want to stick with linux also.
[08:50] <dark_suic> yep :)
[08:50] <dandielionous> Don't know why I'm installing wine but it may be useful
[08:51] <Set> for losing hair
[08:51] <kkathman> dandielionous: I'll give you a very good reference on wine:  http://frankscorner.org
[08:51] <dark_suic> :P
[08:52] <dandielionous> I'm checking kkathman .
[08:52] <nlboy> hmm im stuck with a jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin on my desktop how can i install it ? <im such a newbie :)>
[08:52] <kkathman> dandielionous: thats a very good site for seeing if things run, and how to get them to run under wine if they can
[08:52] <dandielionous> Okay ty.
[08:52] <kkathman> !javadebs
[08:52] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[08:52] <dandielionous> I can't even find where I installed it right now.
[08:53] <dandielionous> Okay I'm finding it.
[08:53] <nlboy> kkathman, but how can i install it?
[08:53] <deemo> hey everyone, is there any way you can allow krfb to allow invitations through the terminal?
[08:54] <dandielionous> oh synaptic is still installing.
[08:54] <kkathman> nlboy: debs are typically installed using dpkg -i
[08:54] <nlboy> so i type dpkg -i <filename>
[08:54] <nlboy> ?
[08:54] <nlboy> (this is my first time on linux :P)
[08:55] <kkathman> nlboy: yes
[08:55] <nlboy> okay thanks
[08:55] <kkathman> np
[08:56] <deemo> anyone know how to turn on krfb through the terminal?
[08:56] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: a question. somebody asked from me here in a local chat if he can run KDE software on GNOME i mean for example Krita, Konversation, Kopete?
[08:57] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: if you have both gnome and KDE installed, either programs run in either environment
[08:58] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: but if somebody uses ubuntu can he or she run Kopete ? In kubuntu I can run Gaim
[08:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes, you can be in GNOME and run Kopete just like you can be in KDE and run GAIM
[08:59] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: as long as you installed the gnome desktop manager
[08:59] <kkathman> i.e. ubuntu-desktop
[08:59] <heix> hi
[09:00] <heix> how upgrade kde3.4 to 3.5
[09:00] <jpatrick> see topic?
[09:00] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see, I understand now
[09:01] <heix> is there any apt-get command?
[09:01] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: can I have both KDE and GNOME?
[09:01] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: yes
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am asking these sorry because I am a new Linux user formerly known hunika :)
[09:02] <kkathman> C-O-L-T:  but in a session you can only have one or the other of course
[09:02] <kkathman> yes I know C-O-L-T
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I see but how? When I start kubuntu I can choose between gnome and kde?
[09:02] <dark_suic> heix, add the repositories listed there to your /etc/apt/sources.list , and then, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:02] <C-O-L-T> like between windows and kubuntu?
[09:03] <dark_suic> this repositories--->deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[09:05] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: when you reboot you get a splash page to log in....you choose your Desktop Manager there under "Sessions"
[09:06] <C-O-L-T>  kkathman: I see, I understand
[09:06] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: for instance I have Gnome, KDE and XFCE on my system and I can log into any of them
[09:06] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: but with downloading Gnome I download the programs for it?
 tnx
[09:07] <skript> what's the default password for 'su' ?
[09:07] <heix> there is no default pass
[09:07] <visik7> there isn't if you want a root account try sudo -i
[09:07] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: in a manner of speaking yes.
[09:08] <dandielionous> You can set a password for su.
[09:08] <dandielionous> I did.
[09:08] <kkathman> its not a good idea to enable root, in my opinion
[09:08] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: and how long is that? And I can see my KDE programs so the things I installed in GNOME if I have both of them?
[09:08] <skript> so I should just hit Enter when i get prompted for 'password' ?
[09:09] <visik7> skript: no u should provide your user password (with sudo)
[09:09] <visik7> and su doesn't work
[09:09] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: its a bit of time, yes to install the ubuntu-desktop
[09:09] <dark_suic> skript, you should write your own pass
[09:09] <dandielionous> kkathman says it's not a good idea to enable root skript.
[09:09] <dandielionous> But what I did is this.
[09:09] <skript> aaaah... it worked (userpass+ sudo -i) ... thnx !!!
[09:09] <dandielionous> sudo password root
[09:09] <kkathman> dandielionous: I just see no reason to enable it
[09:09] <visik7> me too
[09:09] <kkathman> sudo is a superior model
[09:09] <dandielionous> It can be removed by sudo password -l
[09:10] <visik7> btw the command is passwd
[09:10] <kkathman> and provides much more control and security (no matter what that idiot from eWEEK says)
[09:10] <visik7> kkathman: ahaha you are right :)
[09:10] <dandielionous> lol I hear kkathman.  I was probably wrong to enable it.
[09:10] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: my Linux partition is just 7 gygabites, and I have 4 gb free space. I need to know how long is GNOME? 500 mb?
[09:11] <visik7> C-O-L-T: apt says it
[09:11] <visik7> C-O-L-T: just run apt-get ubuntu-desktop and it will tell you how many Mb will be used
[09:11] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: that I dont know to be honest
[09:11] <dandielionous> passwd might be the command visik7  but password worked.
[09:11] <kkathman> good point visik :)
[09:12] <dandielionous> <<<don't know what I'm doing.
[09:12] <dandielionous> :)
[09:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I am asking at #ubuntu
[09:12] <dandielionous> I'm just fumbling through here visik7 .
[09:12] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: thanks anyway
[09:13] <visik7> udo password root
[09:13] <visik7> sudo: password: command not found
[09:13] <dandielionous> Well maybe I copy and pasted the first time and took my notes wrong. :)
[09:13] <dandielionous> Sorry.
[09:13] <JohnFlux> If I say:   /msg ubotu find somefile please     then it gets confused and looks for "somefile please"
[09:14] <JohnFlux> could someone fix it so I can be polite to the bot
[09:14] <JohnFlux> :)
[09:15] <dark_suic> :P
[09:16] <dandielionous> I have no idea what happened to wine.
[09:16] <dandielionous> I installed everything.
[09:17] <flujan> hi, how can I add a cups printer in kde
[09:17] <flujan> the web interface doesn't work
[09:17] <kkathman> C-O-L-T: visik7 gave you your answer....when you type in sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop it will come back and tell your its size :)
[09:17] <flujan> in other distros... Just starting cups is enought to have my cups server detected
[09:17] <kkathman> flujan: go through the printer setup
[09:18] <kkathman> flujan: k-menu, system settings, hardware, printers
[09:18] <flujan> i'm trying to print throught the adobe acrobat
[09:18] <dark_suic> dandielionous, kmenu->run command... -> xwine
[09:18] <flujan> will the lp command work with it?
[09:18] <C-O-L-T> kkathman: I got it thanks
[09:18] <dandielionous> Okay ty dark_suic .
[09:19] <flujan> hum... ok, it works... thanks. :)
[09:19] <dark_suic> dandielionous, it should be avaible in the k-menu somewhere... (probably under utilities)
[09:20] <dandielionous> It started.
[09:20] <dandielionous> I don't have an icon for it under utilities or any other applications.
[09:20] <dandielionous> I might have to add it to my kmenu.
[09:21] <dark_suic> don't think so
[09:21] <dark_suic> i think it installs something, hang on a sec
[09:24] <nlboy> Hey kkathman what was that site again?
[09:24] <kkathman> !javadebs
[09:24] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy
[09:24] <nlboy> ah thanks =)
[09:25] <nlboy> when i want to install kubuntu i have to install on a fat32 right?
[09:26] <jpatrick> nlboy: ext3
[09:26] <dark_suic> i was looking...
[09:26] <nlboy> ok thanks jpatrick
[09:26] <dark_suic> i think that xwine uninstalls wine...
[09:26] <nlboy> kkathman: what was the command again (sorry accidently closed konverstaion)
[09:26] <dandielionous> I found it in etc
[09:27] <kkathman> nlboy:  sudo dpkg -i <packagename.deb>
[09:27] <dandielionous> And in /bin or /bin/share
[09:27] <nlboy> thanks
[09:28] <nlboy> nothing happens :S
[09:28] <dandielionous> I'm checking to see if it will run my Mavis Beacon Typing disc.  If xwine will.
[09:29] <dandielionous> I'm not sure if it's name is xutilities.
[09:30] <nlboy> dpkg: error processing sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update06_i386.deb (--install):
[09:30] <nlboy>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[09:30] <nlboy> the file is on my desktop
[09:30] <nlboy> do i have to do filepath/file/ ?
[09:30] <dark_suic> it would be better, nlboy, but are you trying still on the live?
[09:30] <nlboy> yeah :P
[09:31] <nlboy> it says i got 2gb free space :S
[09:31] <dark_suic> :P
[09:31] <dark_suic> well, you can try to use your hard disk for saving data...
[09:31] <nlboy> harddisk is all ntfs
[09:32] <Set> burn it!
[09:32] <nlboy> omg
[09:32] <nlboy> its working lol
[09:32] <dandielionous> It's in usr/bin
[09:32] <Set> Your system is infected by evil fs
[09:32] <nlboy> i did it with file path now
[09:32] <nlboy> lol set
[09:32] <nlboy> im gonna convert most to fat32 tommorow
[09:33] <Set> glad it's working for you though
[09:33] <Set> :)
[09:33] <C-O-L-T> I AM BACK
[09:33] <nlboy> but i dont wanna f*** up my windows partiton
[09:33] <Set> and the crowd goes wild
[09:33] <Set> nlboy, you did install windows on it, right?
[09:33] <Set> I think it's probably too late. Sorry :'(
[09:33] <nlboy> lol
[09:33] <nlboy> my poor harddisk
[09:34] <Set> make sure it's a seagate
[09:34] <nlboy> lol
[09:34] <Set> So, I was thinking of configuring one of my boxes as a server
[09:35] <nlboy> servers own :P
[09:35] <nlboy> run a runescape server on it
[09:35] <Set> running sftp, torrentflux, twonkyvision, FreeRADIUS, mysql and apache
[09:35] <Set> but I donno what distro to pick
[09:36] <nlboy> rofl im on a livecd and its downloading 200mb to update some things
[09:36] <nlboy> 600mb freespace left
[09:36] <Set> updating a livecd?
[09:36] <Set> isn't that kind of... useless?
[09:37] <dark_suic> i'm off (dinner)
[09:37] <dandielionous> Okay I manually added the short cut for xwine to utilities.
[09:37] <Set> unless it's a cd-rw ;D
[09:37] <dandielionous> ty for all your help dark_suic
[09:37] <nlboy> set it is
[09:37] <Set> wow coolness
[09:37] <nlboy> :p
[09:38] <Set> "writing to disc at 24x"
[09:38] <dandielionous> Well I'm out of hee for a while.
[09:38] <dandielionous> here
[09:38] <Set> best of luck, dandielionous
[09:38] <dandielionous> Thanks for all the help peoples.
[09:38] <nlboy> lol set i ment it is useless updating
[09:38] <nlboy> but it isnt an rw
[09:38] <nlboy> :p
[09:38] <dandielionous> I'll be baack.
[09:38] <dandielionous> lol ty Set
[09:38] <nlboy> but it gives me something to do instead of just sitting staring at my windows desktop
[09:39] <Set> nlboy, you could start doing research for me
[09:39] <Set> finding out what distro I should pick
[09:39] <Set> what different servers I should go for
[09:39] <Set> and stuff like that
[09:39] <nlboy> set --> im a total linux noob
[09:39] <nlboy> i wouldnt have a clue
[09:40] <Set> good time to learn it
[09:40] <Set> ^^
[09:40] <nlboy> and personally i like abbyss web server
[09:40] <nlboy> not sure if it is linux compatible
[09:40] <nlboy> ill take a look for you
[09:40] <buz> server for what
[09:40] <Set> sftp and radius, basically
[09:40] <Set> that's what I'm uncertain on
[09:40] <nlboy> what is radius?
[09:40] <nlboy> :D
[09:40] <buz> openbsd
[09:41] <buz> after all, sftp comes from those guys
[09:41] <nlboy> o
[09:41] <nlboy> o
[09:41] <nlboy> hmm my pc is lagging
[09:41] <buz> (technically i think ssh.com was first, but never mind)
[09:41] <Set> Remote Authentication Dial-In User Service
[09:41] <Set> buz, maybe it's time for me to try bsd
[09:42] <buz> bsd is seriously neat for servers
[09:42] <Set> I'm pretty used to using Debian, though
[09:42] <buz> too bad there's too little admin mindshare for it
[09:42] <buz> if linux, i'd use ubuntu server edition ;)
[09:42] <Set> is it good?
[09:42] <saint> anyone knows how to get a servers list for Konversation?
[09:43] <Set> what kind of ftp server
[09:43] <buz> well it's the same
[09:43] <buz> openssh of course
[09:43] <Set> I want a ftp server that lets me do my stuff without too much fuzz and wuzz around it.
[09:43] <Set> Not building a fort :)
[09:45] <Set> brb - getting food
[09:47] <feistel> hi
[09:47] <feistel> where I can find the Kunbuntu's source files?
[09:47] <jpatrick> what for?
[09:48] <feistel> jpatrick: for recompile them
[09:48] <jpatrick> odd
[09:48] <feistel> ??
[09:50] <kkathman> feistel: well, it depends on what you want to recompile
[09:50] <nlboy2> lol back
[09:51] <kkathman> feistel: most of the time you'll have to download the source
[09:51] <nlboy_> wdf
[09:51] <feistel> kkathman: I need build a new distribution based on Kubuntu
[09:51] <nlboy_> why is nlboy still in here
[09:51] <nlboy_> i switched from the live cd to this one
[09:51] <kkathman> feistel: well have at it :)
[09:51] <nlboy_> and its still there
[09:53] <nlboy_> set: http://www.aprelium.com/abyssws/download.php thats a good webserver :p
[09:56] <kkathman> feistel: this might be a good starting point:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelHowto?highlight=%28Compiling%29%7C%28the%29%7C%28kernel%29
[09:57] <feistel> kkathman: ubuntu/kubuntu use the Debian's package repository?
[09:57] <jpatrick> feistel: no
[09:57] <kkathman> feistel: no it doesnt
[09:57] <sas171> kkathman: yeah! my internet connection works now... it was the fight.
[09:58] <kkathman> sas171: excellent!!! good job!
[09:58] <sas171> do you think i some firewall for my desktop pc?
[09:58] <sas171> *i need
[09:58] <kkathman> sas171: I doubt it
[09:58] <feistel> jpatrick, kkathman, then where I can find all source files of Kubuntu?
[09:58] <sampan> sas171  unless you are running some sort of server (mail, web, etc.) then most likely no
[09:58] <kkathman> feistel: I gave you a page up above
[09:58] <feistel> kkathman: but is only the kernel
[09:59] <sas171> ok, thx
[09:59] <sampan> sas171  ubuntu has all outside listening services turned off by default -- so your kubuntu will just drop incoming packets that aren't specifically requested by you
[09:59] <nlboy_> whats a good size for a linux swap partition and ext3 partition to install kubuntu on
[09:59] <kkathman> feistel: like I said before, depending on WHAT you are trying to compile, will determine its origin
[09:59] <feistel> kkathman: packages, KDE, KDE applications, etc
[10:00] <jarek> gur
[10:00] <kkathman> feistel: many of those you'll just need to check with their respective pages....ie  KDE.org, kontact, etc
[10:00] <feistel> ok
[10:01] <feistel> kkathman: but, other distributions, have repositories of source code. p.e. package.mdk.rpm ---> package.src.mdk.rpm
[10:01] <nlboy_> whats a good size for a linux swap partition and ext3 partition to install kubuntu on
[10:01] <kkathman> feistel: yes the same is here...you can search for them using apt-cache search
[10:02] <feistel> nlboy_: RAM x 2
[10:03] <sampan> nlboy_  they say yeah what feistel said for swap.  for / i wouldn't go with less than 5-7GB and however much you want (or have?) for /home
[10:04] <nlboy_> ok
[10:04] <nlboy_> thanks
[10:04] <payman> hello
[10:04] <nlboy_> ill think ill do 2gb swap and 8gb /hom then
[10:04] <kkathman> nlboy_: the defaults during install are pretty good actually
[10:05] <Set> nlboy_ mnh nbhg nbnhbn mnjhnm mnh
[10:05] <kkathman> typically you want a swap equal to your memory or a little more
[10:05] <payman> good morning starshine! the earth says HELLLLLO
[10:05] <Set> sorry, cleaning my keyboard
[10:05] <sampan> lol set
[10:05] <Set> nlboy_, what I wanted to say, was, it should be enough with 1 GB swap
[10:06] <sampan> kkathman  what are the defaults for install?  i can't even remember
[10:06] <payman> wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzup
[10:06] <kkathman> sampan: I think the install does a parse and creates them dynamically
[10:06] <Set> I wonder if there are servers out there with 1024mb swap
[10:06] <sampan> ahhh gotcha -- i don't think i ever paid them any attention since i always was doing things experimentally on my own
[10:07] <Set> replace 1024mb with 1024 kb
[10:07] <payman> babayeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee rooooooooooooooooooooooooom
[10:08] <sampan> can't tell if payman was trying to insult us ... or just spouting something random
[10:08] <sampan> :/
[10:08] <kkathman> a little of both probably
[10:08] <kkathman> kinda silly
[10:08] <sampan> lol
[10:08] <nlboy_> i got to go
[10:08] <nlboy_> cya
[10:08] <nlboy_> thanks for all the help ppl
[10:08] <Set> don't go livecd dude
[10:08] <sampan> gl nlboy_
[10:08] <nlboy_> set --> i might install it later
[10:08] <Set> come back :)
[10:09] <nlboy_> when i convience my parents they can work with linux
[10:09] <nlboy_> :p
[10:09] <nlboy_> lol you can always add me on msn? ill pm you my msn address?
[10:09] <Set> yep ^^
[10:09] <sas171> i want to configure my xkb options... want ctrl+shift to switch keyboard layout, how can i do that?
[10:09] <nlboy_> see pm --> :p
[10:09] <Set> haven't received pm, notice instead
[10:10] <nlboy_> did u get it now?
[10:10] <Set> nope. use /notice Set blablabla
[10:11] <nlboy_> yea i did
[10:11] <Set> mail it to sns@epost.no
[10:11] <Set> or whatev :P
[10:11] <nlboy_> what ever [22:08:39]  -> -Set- real<nospamplx>tha<anothernospamplx>nwi@h<nospam!>otm<toldyouididntwantnospam>ail.com
[10:11] <nlboy_> there
[10:11] <nlboy_> just remove everye <nospam> thingy
[10:12] <Set> omg lol
[10:12] <nlboy_> and youll find realthanwi@hot--> etc
[10:12] <nlboy_> cya
[10:26] <nanda> is there a good howto for enabline wireless internet with kubuntu?
[10:26] <Set> nanda, get a wlan cable...
[10:27] <nanda> I am using a laptop, it has wireless in it, I was using it fine with ubuntu and now I have installed kubuntu and want to use it also
[10:27] <Set> go to system settings
[10:27] <Set> and enable it
[10:27] <langplok> kikooo all
[10:28] <Set> kikoooo
[10:28] <Set> we have missed you, Sir
[10:29] <nanda> Set: it is not letting me
[10:29] <nanda> because I need to instlal the drivers, all I want to know is how to do that
[10:29] <nanda> saracasm is less than helpful
[10:29] <Set> no sarcasm here.
[10:29] <Set> what card do you have?
[10:30] <nanda> I'm not sure, its built into the machine
[10:30] <nanda> I have the drivers though
[10:30] <Set> what are the drivers called?
[10:31] <nanda> I did it before with ubuntu, but I can't remember how..
[10:31] <nanda> Set: just a sec, I'll look
[10:31] <poldo> hi all i have big time trouble with the installation of Kubuntu on my box, the problem is that it stops during the system base install at 6% (dpkg) anyone with an idea ? BTW it was happening with SuSE too.
[10:32] <sas171> how to configure XKB under (k)ubuntu
[10:32] <nanda> Set: bcmwl5a.inf  & bcmwl5a.sys
[10:32] <sas171> ?
[10:32] <poldo> BTE if i i wait for it it returns an error and stops installing
[10:32] <poldo> *BTW
[10:32] <Set> ndiswrapper? I don't know how that works in kubuntu. sorry that I'm unable to help you
[10:32] <kkathman> poldo do you get any kind of error message?
[10:33] <sas171> poldo: try to use another copy
[10:33] <poldo> kkathman, yes i do , something about a dir but i stupidly did not write bit down
[10:33] <nanda> yeah I used ndiswrapper in ubuntu, I'll look into it
[10:33] <nanda> thanks
[10:33] <poldo> sas171, i just downloaded it frrom the mirrors
[10:33] <kkathman> poldo were you installing Kubuntu or ubuntu ?
[10:33] <poldo> kkathman, Kubuntu
[10:34] <sas171> poldo: CD installation?
[10:34] <poldo> sas171, sure thing
[10:34] <sas171> poldo: try to use another CD
[10:34] <poldo> sas171, wel cd that gather things from the repos , you know ... usual install
[10:34] <sas171> I tryed 3 before i was able to install
[10:35] <poldo> sas171, if i don't find any other solution i'll try , it might be that the iso is damaged
[10:35] <poldo> kkathman, any clue?
[10:37] <kkathman> poldo I this sas171 has a good idea
[10:38] <kkathman> poldo but are you installing on a new system, with a new disk?
[10:38] <poldo> kkathman, i'm, installing on an 4 yrs old amd athlon xp 1600 with double boot (win xp + kubutnu )
[10:38] <kkathman> ahhh
[10:39] <poldo> kkathman, but suse 9.3 was runnning just fine
[10:39] <poldo> kkathman, what's ahh about?
[10:39] <kkathman> ahhh well I dunno poldo.I have installed ubuntu on 3 different boxes, different ages of those boxes and different hardware and neve had a glitch
[10:40] <poldo> kkathman, well that's kinda conforting :P
[10:42] <poldo> kkathman, what if i give you the erros.. would you be able to help me?
[10:42] <kkathman> poldo possibly
[10:43] <poldo> well i'll be back later
[10:43] <poldo> thx 4 now
[10:43] <kkathman> we'd try at aleast
[10:43] <poldo> =)
[10:43] <poldo> bbl
[10:45] <ClayG> I'm cutting my own Cat5e cable, it's a bitch to get them the "connectors" , anyone know a good guide to show an easier/right way?
[10:57] <dandielionous> Does anyone know how to add categories to kmenu like games.  I would like to add games there.
[10:57] <dandielionous> In kubuntu.
[10:57] <dandielionous> Sorry forgot the question mark.
[10:57] <dandielionous> ?
[10:58] <Set> I don't remember
[10:58] <Set> menu editor?
[10:58] <dandielionous> I've checked the menu editor.
[10:58] <dandielionous> I can add items.
[10:58] <dandielionous> And I can add files there.
[10:58] <dandielionous> New ones I think of.
[10:58] <dandielionous> But ones that are already show in the menu editor I can't add to my kmenu.
[10:59] <dandielionous> Like Debian or documentation or games.
[10:59] <dandielionous> I've tried to google this and looked at the help file.
[10:59] <dandielionous> Thank-you for answering me Set.
[11:00] <Set> it's probably something like the files are hidden
[11:00] <Set> I used to have those problems in Xandros
[11:00] <Set> my sollution was to just make a 'new' menu by dragging a folder with shortcuts to my 'quick launch' area
[11:00] <dandielionous> mmmm I would think it would be something easy like just moving it form one side to the other.
[11:00] <dandielionous> But it doesn't seem to be anyplace to do that.
[11:01] <Set> make a folder in your home folder
[11:01] <Set> call it "games shortcuts", or something. make shortcuts to anything you'd like. then drag the folder to the area where konqueror icon and such resides
[11:01] <dandielionous> I can think of work arounds.
[11:01] <dandielionous> Are you in kubuntu?
[11:02] <Set> I'm in Windows right now. still trying to get wpa working in kubuntu
[11:02] <dandielionous> What is wpa?
[11:02] <Set> a wireless encryption standard
[11:02] <dandielionous> Oh I see.
[11:03] <dandielionous> I had wireless on here.
[11:03] <dandielionous> Linksys.
[11:03] <dandielionous> And it didn't work with Mandrake.
[11:03] <nalioth> Set: what card are you using in kubuntu ?
[11:03] <dandielionous> So I switched to Netgear ethernet card.
[11:03] <Set> I refuse to use anything less than WPA-PSK for my wireless network security measures
[11:03] <dandielionous> Works great.
[11:03] <Set> nalioth, ipw2200
[11:04] <Set> dandielionous, I have no problems getting my ethernet cards working in kubuntu. But I will not change my connection habits for any distro :)
[11:04] <nalioth> Set: try using mac address filtering. wpa is a hit-n-miss proposition on some cards atm
[11:04] <dandielionous> I was just asking so you could look at what I was talking about.
[11:05] <Set> nalioth, nalioth, I get wpa-psk working in Xandros. Guess they did something to wpasupplicant :)
[11:05] <dandielionous> I didn't want to get into a whole discussion about that.
[11:05] <Set> dandielionous, sorry if I offended you
[11:05] <dandielionous> No, no I'm sorry if I offended you. :)
[11:05] <Set> I do tech support for networking devices, so I'm kind of tense when it comes to that subject
[11:05] <dandielionous> I don't mind talking about it but don't want to offend.
[11:05] <Set> I'm hard to offend
[11:06] <dandielionous> :)
[11:06] <dandielionous> Anyway for me, I already had the ethernet card in my computer so it was no problem to switch back to cable.
[11:06] <Set> It's a principle thing that I won't be using anything but WPA-PSK or WPA, once I get my radius server up and running.
[11:06] <dandielionous> Besides the wireless wasn't working that well anyway.
[11:06] <Set> I can't use ethernet, because of distance
[11:06] <dandielionous> Too slow.
[11:07] <dandielionous> I'm just thrilled with kubuntu and will never go back to windows.
[11:07] <nalioth> Set: perhaps you could grab the source from them?
[11:07] <dandielionous> But each to their own.
[11:07] <Set> nalioth, I was thinking about that, but I'm not sure how to step forward about that
[11:08] <Set> dandielionous, Xandros 4.0 is what I'm waiting for. Kubuntu caught my attention because of KDE 3.5 with webcam support in Kopete
[11:08] <nalioth> Set: compiling stuff isn't a problem, usually. it's what you do with it afterwards
[11:09] <dark_suic> i'm back
[11:09] <dandielionous> Somebody else was telling me about Xandros.
[11:09] <dandielionous> Yeah dark_suic .
[11:09] <dandielionous> dark_suic:  do you know how to add items to my kmenu.
[11:09] <dark_suic> yep
[11:09] <dark_suic> it's easy :P
[11:10] <dandielionous> The ones that are in menu edit.
[11:10] <dandielionous> Already there.
[11:10] <jessica__> hello-i installed kubuntu yesterday so now i have ubuntu and kubuntu running-my sound is not working on kubuntu can somebody please help me?
[11:10] <dandielionous> games and toys and stuff.
[11:10] <dandielionous> documentation, debain
[11:10] <dark_suic> right click on the item -> edit item
[11:10] <dandielionous> Okay.
[11:10] <kkathman> jessica__:  what are you using to try out the sound?
[11:11] <dandielionous> That's not working in KDE menu editor.
[11:11] <jessica__> i have it as autodetect right now
[11:11] <dandielionous> It shows me all the things that should be there but aren't in my kmenu.
[11:11] <kkathman> jessica__: I mean, how do you know you have no sound
[11:11] <jessica__> on my system tray the volume icon have an x to it and when i click on it to select a mixer theres nothing on the box for me to select
[11:11] <jessica__> ohh
[11:11] <dark_suic> O__o
[11:11] <jessica__> i recieve a arts message at startup
[11:11] <Set> debian or ubuntu as a server distro?
[11:12] <dark_suic> the one you best know, Set
[11:12] <jessica__> and it says going to default output i think
[11:12] <kkathman> jessica__:  and what message does it report?
[11:12] <Set> dark_suic, see, that's the problem. I've used Xandros, Debian and (K)ubuntu for a while, and I find all of them mainly the same... So I'm lost
[11:13] <jessica__> hold on let me see if i can bring tha tscreen bacl up
[11:13] <jessica__> for example right now i inserted a audio cd-and when i try to access it it says (could not read /dev/hdc
[11:13] <dark_suic> kkathman, without having used xandros, i would prefer debian for servers-side
[11:14] <kkathman> jessica__: well thats definitely a different issue than "sound"
[11:14] <jessica__> but im worried more about the sound-i hardly play music cds-brb
[11:15] <dark_suic> wops... i mean set :P
[11:15] <Set> dark_suic, I guess you're right :) debian rocks
[11:17] <dark_suic> debian is more easily configurable, i haven't seen kubuntu/ubuntu-s server install
[11:17] <dark_suic> but i guess that debian would be better
[11:18] <jessica__> kkathman, this is the message i recieve....error while initializing the sound driver: device: default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) the sound server will continue, using the null output device
[11:19] <kkathman> jessica__: can you get to a konsole and do an lsmos
[11:19] <kkathman> oops
[11:19] <kkathman> lsmod I mean
[11:19] <jessica__> yes i can go to terminal
[11:20] <jessica__> what do i look for? i did the lsmod command and what it appears like a list of what i have appeared
[11:21] <kkathman> jessica__: lets do something different I think.
[11:21] <kkathman> robotgeek: hey there maybe you can help us :)
[11:21] <jessica__> o.k im all yours
[11:21] <robotgeek> what's the matter :)
[11:22] <kkathman> robotgeek: shes having trouble with sound...
[11:22] <kkathman> kkathman, this is the message i recieve....error while initializing the sound driver: device: default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) the sound server will continue, using the null output device
[11:22] <kkathman> actually she received it :)
[11:22] <robotgeek> hmm, okay.
[11:23] <kkathman> I was going to have her open up /etc/devfsd.conf
[11:23] <jessica__> i was not aware you where talking to me robotgeek im sorry
[11:23] <robotgeek> jessica__: please open up a console and paste the lsmod output to the pastebin
[11:23] <robotgeek> jessica__: no problem
[11:23] <kkathman> robotgeek:  the /etc/devfsd.conf  should have some basic things in it too I reckon
[11:24] <kkathman> she has no access to her CD it appears also :)
[11:24] <robotgeek> kkathman: i don't have a /etc/devfsd.conf
[11:24] <kkathman> ohh ok
[11:24] <kkathman> hmm
[11:24] <jessica__> kkathman, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6673
[11:24] <jessica__> there you go the pastebin information
[11:25] <jessica__> wow is not reading my internal media card reader
[11:25] <robotgeek> jessica__: okay, the sound modules are loaded. so the problem might be elsewhere
[11:26] <jessica__> o.k so where do i go to look
[11:27] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, 'sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart'
[11:29] <jessica__> o.k i did the command entered my password and the nothing happened back jessica@ubuntu:~$
[11:29] <jessica__> when i go to kmix under current mixer theres nothing for me to select
[11:30] <robotgeek> jessica__: it must have said restarting or something
[11:30] <jessica__> sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[11:30] <jessica__> thats the command right?
[11:30] <robotgeek> jessica__: yes
[11:31] <jessica__> o.k i just did it again and nothing happened
[11:31] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, okay
[11:32] <robotgeek> kkathman: where's the sound configure in kde?
[11:32] <kkathman> robotgeek: k-menu, sysstem settings - personal sound & multimedia
[11:33] <jessica__> i went to system settings>sound..selected the diffrent mixers and nothing
[11:33] <robotgeek> jessica__: there should be a test sound server or something similiar
[11:33] <kkathman> she might need to load xine instead of the default gstreamer...but dont know if that makes any diff at this stage
[11:34] <kkathman> be sure to "enable" the sound system :)
[11:34] <kkathman> and set the auto detect
[11:34] <jessica__> i did a test and the same message i recieve during startup
[11:35] <robotgeek> jessica__: hmm, i'm no sound guru. and i'm not on my kubuntu machine, i am out of ideas. sorry
[11:35] <kkathman> jessica__:  just curious, is your sound card on your mobo or a separate pci card?
[11:36] <jessica__> is a laptop-sounds works fine under ubuntu not under kubuntu so i know is probably something wrong with my kubuntu installation
[11:36] <jessica__> when i log off kubuntu and go to ubuntu-sound works perfectly
[11:36] <rosco> someone has feedback about dapper for ppc ? does the touchpad react better ?
[11:36] <rosco> for a powerbook, I mean
[11:37] <robotgeek> rosco: hmm, i have an ibook and it works fine
[11:37] <kkathman> jessica__:  just curious, is your sound card on your mobo or a separate pci card?
[11:37] <Set> it's a permission problem
[11:37] <rosco> robotgeek: even the wifi ?
[11:37] <robotgeek> rosco: yes, even the wifi will work better
[11:37] <jessica__> on the error message it says (permission denied)
[11:38] <robotgeek> rosco: it works, but not very stable right now
[11:38] <jessica__> how can i get permission for it to load?
[11:38] <Set> does your user have access to audio?
[11:38] <rosco> robotgeek: thanks
[11:38] <jessica__> it says ..device:default cant be opened for playback (permission denied) now that i think about it when i logged in under root it was wroking fine-but when i log in under my name it doesnt work so thats where the problem is
[11:38] <jessica__> but how do i enable access"?
[11:40] <robotgeek> jessica__: "sudo adduser yourusername audio" , i suppose
[11:41] <jessica__> evertyime i do a sudo nothing happens i give up-appreciate the help i recieved
[11:42] <kkathman> jessica__: try #ubuntu
[11:42] <jessica__> yeah they told me to come here
[11:42] <kkathman> lol
[11:42] <nalioth> jessica__: "nothing happening" in the terminal means the command was accepted and run successfully
[11:42] <robotgeek> nalioth: though alsa generally gives some message
[11:43] <jessica__> nalioth, the system tray icon have an x to it in red and when i mouse over it it says mixer cannot be found.i double click it i cant select nothing in the drop down mixer theres nothing to select
[12:02] <sorush20> hi everyone ..
[12:03] <sorush20> How do I add a command to be run automatically on start up ? like sudo mbmon -ArP 2343