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DivGradCurlAnyone here?01:00
lifelessthis is really a development channel01:02
lifelessI suspect you are better asking on #ubuntu-users01:03
DivGradCurlMaybe, maybe not.  I'm not 100% clear what constitutes a development question/issue, but there is a decent chance that my question *is* development related.01:04
lifelesswell, ask the question rather than asking to ask ;)01:04
lifelessthen folk can advise01:04
DivGradCurlThere has emerged advice on how to load Ubuntu onto external USB drives (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811), but I haven't been able to dig up how to Boot Ubuntu from an external USB drive using a computer whose BIOS doesn't support USB booting.01:05
DivGradCurlOther distros have instructions and the capability, but there doesn't seem a clearcut method for Ubuntu.01:05
DivGradCurlA year-old article for Puppy exists: http://www.goosee.com/puppy/boot2pup.htm01:06
lifelessyou mean something like 'put in a floppy with the kernel' ?01:06
DivGradCurlLike I said, I'm new, and have no idea how to do something like that.  And this may be the wrong place to ask how to do so.01:07
DivGradCurlJust figured it was Boot-related and has general application since Ubuntu isn't as geared towards setting this (or another method) up as have other distros.01:08
DivGradCurlMy general impression is that a major problem is that it must first DETECT the USB capability before it can consider trying to boot from it.01:09
DivGradCurlI do have Ubuntu installed on a local computer (~3.5 years) that doesn't have USB Booting.  I tried editing its grub to boot from hd1 or sda but haven't had any luck.01:10
DivGradCurlThen again, it takes 3 seconds for the computer to hit the grub screen so I have no idea if (a) I am doing anything comprable to having a kernel on a disc and (b) if so, whether I am doing it wrong or if having a kernel & grub is insufficient.01:11
lifelessthe problem is that to boot from USB, you -must- have the computer load the USB disks bootsector01:18
lifelessthis is not at all the same as having / on USB on a computer that cannot boot from USB.01:18
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jbaileyThe new klibc upload moves klibc to /lib, but retains the old symlink.03:31
jbaileySideffect: you can run klibc binaries on the running system.03:31
fabbionethat's good right?03:39
jbaileyYes, it means that using klibc in an application sucks a bit less.03:40
Keybukis anything using klibc now? :)03:44
jbaileyNo, but if you chose to, it would now suck less.03:46
Keybukexcept for the bludgeoning pain of compiling anything against it, and having to do all that copying and pasting of linux headers03:47
jbaileyCompiling against it?03:47
jbaileyJust use klcc. =)03:47
jbaileyBut yeah, the linux headers are next on the list to fix.03:48
jbaileyNext week, maybe.03:48
jbaileyIt'd be before I go to the UK, though.03:48
Keybukdid you get that glibc nameserver patch in yet?03:48
jbaileyKeybuk: No.  Next upload should have it.  I wanted 2.3.6 to just go in.03:48
Keybukok03:48
jbaileyIt's a big enough set of changes on its own.03:48
Keybukn-m is looking "likely" again03:49
Keybukso it'd be nice to have03:49
jbaileyI noticed that.03:49
jbaileyI was going to comment on behalf of one of your use cases, thank-you.03:49
jbailey=)03:49
Keybukheh03:49
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Keybukit'd just mean that in Berlin? we'd have more specs, along the lines of "support static IP configuration per-network", "support PPP", "support VPN", etc.03:50
jbaileyRight.03:50
jbaileySince clearly "do network manager" would be the wrong thing.03:50
Keybukwell, is more that n-m can support those things, but I'm not going to bother testing it for dapper or trying hard not to break those things03:52
Keybukin particular, static IP won't work03:52
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fabbioneKeybuk: for the sake of saving me some pain09:56
fabbionewhere do i need to install udev rules?09:56
fabbionehttp://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/cluster/dlm/lib/51-dlm.rules.diff?cvsroot=cluster&only_with_tag=STABLE&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.2.109:56
fabbionethey just added the rules for cluster stuff09:56
Keybuk/etc/udev/rules.d09:57
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fabbioneKeybuk: do they look sane?09:58
Keybukthere's a bug in those rules09:58
fabbionesuch as09:58
Keybukneeds to be NAME== not NAME=, and needs to be a comma before MODE=09:58
fabbioneok thanks09:58
Keybuk+KERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control"09:58
Keybuk+KERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME=="misc/dlm_default", MODE="0666"09:58
Keybuk+KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660"09:58
Keybuklike that09:58
Keybukinstall them as09:58
fabbioneyeps09:58
Keybuk/etc/udev/rules.d/45-dlm.rules09:59
Keybukthough, technically, if you want to be absolutely correct with Ubuntu scheming09:59
Keybukyou should put the KERNEL==/NAME== bits in /etc/udev/rules.d/25-dlm.rules09:59
Keybukand the MODE= bits in /etc/udev/rules.d/45-dlm.rules09:59
fabbionemeh09:59
Keybukthough if there's no chance of this being needed in initramfs, or in the installer, then don't worry too muhc10:00
fabbioneno, they don't need to10:00
Keybukok10:00
fabbionethanks a lot10:00
Keybukhmm10:01
Keybukthose last two rules look bogus ...10:01
Keybuk+KERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME="misc/dlm_default" MODE="0666"10:01
Keybuk+KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k" MODE="0660"10:01
Keybukdlm_default matches dlm_*, so it'll get 0660, not 66610:01
Keybukswap those two around10:01
fabbionein theory one is enough...10:02
fabbioneisn't it?10:02
fabbionejust the last line10:02
Keybukin theory you just need:10:02
KeybukKERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k"10:02
KeybukKERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666"10:02
fabbionewhy the last one?10:03
Keybukto change the mode from 0660 to 066610:03
fabbioneoh ok10:03
fabbionepjc thanks very much.10:04
fabbionepjc oddly they still seem to work :)10:04
fabbionefabbione oh halt.. we can make it very very simple10:04
fabbionefabbione Keybuk KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k"10:04
fabbionefabbione Keybuk KERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666"10:04
fabbionefabbione this 2 lines are the "correct" equivalent of the 3 you have now :)10:04
fabbionepjc no, cos dlm-control has a hypen, not an underscore10:04
fabbionefabbione oh right10:04
fabbionepjc (so i doesn't get confused with lockspace names)10:04
fabbionefabbione right10:05
fabbionefabbione i missed that10:05
fabbionefabbione thanks10:05
fabbioneKeybuk: i already pushed the fix upstream :)10:05
fabbionebut he is right.. you need 3 rules10:05
Keybukyeah, sorry, you need the first one too10:05
fabbioneyup10:05
Keybukdepends which udev version you have, my rules will work with old and new udev, his only with old10:05
fabbioneso he sais10:05
fabbioneKERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control"10:14
fabbioneKERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME=="misc/dlm_default", MODE="0666"10:14
fabbioneKERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660"10:14
fabbioneso like this10:14
fabbioneor do i still need to swap the last 2?10:14
Keybukstill need to swap the last two, otherwise the match for the last one will change the permissions10:15
fabbioneok10:15
Keybukdlm_* matches dlm_default10:15
KeybukKERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control"10:15
KeybukKERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660"10:15
KeybukKERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666"10:15
Keybukis how I'd do it10:15
Keybuk(dlm_default is renamed by the middle one)10:16
fabbioneyup10:16
fabbionethanks10:16
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