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DivGradCurl | Anyone here? | 01:00 |
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lifeless | this is really a development channel | 01:02 |
lifeless | I suspect you are better asking on #ubuntu-users | 01:03 |
DivGradCurl | Maybe, maybe not. I'm not 100% clear what constitutes a development question/issue, but there is a decent chance that my question *is* development related. | 01:04 |
lifeless | well, ask the question rather than asking to ask ;) | 01:04 |
lifeless | then folk can advise | 01:04 |
DivGradCurl | There has emerged advice on how to load Ubuntu onto external USB drives (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80811), but I haven't been able to dig up how to Boot Ubuntu from an external USB drive using a computer whose BIOS doesn't support USB booting. | 01:05 |
DivGradCurl | Other distros have instructions and the capability, but there doesn't seem a clearcut method for Ubuntu. | 01:05 |
DivGradCurl | A year-old article for Puppy exists: http://www.goosee.com/puppy/boot2pup.htm | 01:06 |
lifeless | you mean something like 'put in a floppy with the kernel' ? | 01:06 |
DivGradCurl | Like I said, I'm new, and have no idea how to do something like that. And this may be the wrong place to ask how to do so. | 01:07 |
DivGradCurl | Just figured it was Boot-related and has general application since Ubuntu isn't as geared towards setting this (or another method) up as have other distros. | 01:08 |
DivGradCurl | My general impression is that a major problem is that it must first DETECT the USB capability before it can consider trying to boot from it. | 01:09 |
DivGradCurl | I do have Ubuntu installed on a local computer (~3.5 years) that doesn't have USB Booting. I tried editing its grub to boot from hd1 or sda but haven't had any luck. | 01:10 |
DivGradCurl | Then again, it takes 3 seconds for the computer to hit the grub screen so I have no idea if (a) I am doing anything comprable to having a kernel on a disc and (b) if so, whether I am doing it wrong or if having a kernel & grub is insufficient. | 01:11 |
lifeless | the problem is that to boot from USB, you -must- have the computer load the USB disks bootsector | 01:18 |
lifeless | this is not at all the same as having / on USB on a computer that cannot boot from USB. | 01:18 |
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jbailey | The new klibc upload moves klibc to /lib, but retains the old symlink. | 03:31 |
jbailey | Sideffect: you can run klibc binaries on the running system. | 03:31 |
fabbione | that's good right? | 03:39 |
jbailey | Yes, it means that using klibc in an application sucks a bit less. | 03:40 |
Keybuk | is anything using klibc now? :) | 03:44 |
jbailey | No, but if you chose to, it would now suck less. | 03:46 |
Keybuk | except for the bludgeoning pain of compiling anything against it, and having to do all that copying and pasting of linux headers | 03:47 |
jbailey | Compiling against it? | 03:47 |
jbailey | Just use klcc. =) | 03:47 |
jbailey | But yeah, the linux headers are next on the list to fix. | 03:48 |
jbailey | Next week, maybe. | 03:48 |
jbailey | It'd be before I go to the UK, though. | 03:48 |
Keybuk | did you get that glibc nameserver patch in yet? | 03:48 |
jbailey | Keybuk: No. Next upload should have it. I wanted 2.3.6 to just go in. | 03:48 |
Keybuk | ok | 03:48 |
jbailey | It's a big enough set of changes on its own. | 03:48 |
Keybuk | n-m is looking "likely" again | 03:49 |
Keybuk | so it'd be nice to have | 03:49 |
jbailey | I noticed that. | 03:49 |
jbailey | I was going to comment on behalf of one of your use cases, thank-you. | 03:49 |
jbailey | =) | 03:49 |
Keybuk | heh | 03:49 |
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Keybuk | it'd just mean that in Berlin? we'd have more specs, along the lines of "support static IP configuration per-network", "support PPP", "support VPN", etc. | 03:50 |
jbailey | Right. | 03:50 |
jbailey | Since clearly "do network manager" would be the wrong thing. | 03:50 |
Keybuk | well, is more that n-m can support those things, but I'm not going to bother testing it for dapper or trying hard not to break those things | 03:52 |
Keybuk | in particular, static IP won't work | 03:52 |
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fabbione | Keybuk: for the sake of saving me some pain | 09:56 |
fabbione | where do i need to install udev rules? | 09:56 |
fabbione | http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/cluster/dlm/lib/51-dlm.rules.diff?cvsroot=cluster&only_with_tag=STABLE&r1=NONE&r2=1.1.2.1 | 09:56 |
fabbione | they just added the rules for cluster stuff | 09:56 |
Keybuk | /etc/udev/rules.d | 09:57 |
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fabbione | Keybuk: do they look sane? | 09:58 |
Keybuk | there's a bug in those rules | 09:58 |
fabbione | such as | 09:58 |
Keybuk | needs to be NAME== not NAME=, and needs to be a comma before MODE= | 09:58 |
fabbione | ok thanks | 09:58 |
Keybuk | +KERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control" | 09:58 |
Keybuk | +KERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME=="misc/dlm_default", MODE="0666" | 09:58 |
Keybuk | +KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660" | 09:58 |
Keybuk | like that | 09:58 |
Keybuk | install them as | 09:58 |
fabbione | yeps | 09:58 |
Keybuk | /etc/udev/rules.d/45-dlm.rules | 09:59 |
Keybuk | though, technically, if you want to be absolutely correct with Ubuntu scheming | 09:59 |
Keybuk | you should put the KERNEL==/NAME== bits in /etc/udev/rules.d/25-dlm.rules | 09:59 |
Keybuk | and the MODE= bits in /etc/udev/rules.d/45-dlm.rules | 09:59 |
fabbione | meh | 09:59 |
Keybuk | though if there's no chance of this being needed in initramfs, or in the installer, then don't worry too muhc | 10:00 |
fabbione | no, they don't need to | 10:00 |
Keybuk | ok | 10:00 |
fabbione | thanks a lot | 10:00 |
Keybuk | hmm | 10:01 |
Keybuk | those last two rules look bogus ... | 10:01 |
Keybuk | +KERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME="misc/dlm_default" MODE="0666" | 10:01 |
Keybuk | +KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k" MODE="0660" | 10:01 |
Keybuk | dlm_default matches dlm_*, so it'll get 0660, not 666 | 10:01 |
Keybuk | swap those two around | 10:01 |
fabbione | in theory one is enough... | 10:02 |
fabbione | isn't it? | 10:02 |
fabbione | just the last line | 10:02 |
Keybuk | in theory you just need: | 10:02 |
Keybuk | KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k" | 10:02 |
Keybuk | KERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666" | 10:02 |
fabbione | why the last one? | 10:03 |
Keybuk | to change the mode from 0660 to 0666 | 10:03 |
fabbione | oh ok | 10:03 |
fabbione | pjc thanks very much. | 10:04 |
fabbione | pjc oddly they still seem to work :) | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione oh halt.. we can make it very very simple | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione Keybuk KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME="misc/%k" | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione Keybuk KERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666" | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione this 2 lines are the "correct" equivalent of the 3 you have now :) | 10:04 |
fabbione | pjc no, cos dlm-control has a hypen, not an underscore | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione oh right | 10:04 |
fabbione | pjc (so i doesn't get confused with lockspace names) | 10:04 |
fabbione | fabbione right | 10:05 |
fabbione | fabbione i missed that | 10:05 |
fabbione | fabbione thanks | 10:05 |
fabbione | Keybuk: i already pushed the fix upstream :) | 10:05 |
fabbione | but he is right.. you need 3 rules | 10:05 |
Keybuk | yeah, sorry, you need the first one too | 10:05 |
fabbione | yup | 10:05 |
Keybuk | depends which udev version you have, my rules will work with old and new udev, his only with old | 10:05 |
fabbione | so he sais | 10:05 |
fabbione | KERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control" | 10:14 |
fabbione | KERNEL=="dlm_default", NAME=="misc/dlm_default", MODE="0666" | 10:14 |
fabbione | KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660" | 10:14 |
fabbione | so like this | 10:14 |
fabbione | or do i still need to swap the last 2? | 10:14 |
Keybuk | still need to swap the last two, otherwise the match for the last one will change the permissions | 10:15 |
fabbione | ok | 10:15 |
Keybuk | dlm_* matches dlm_default | 10:15 |
Keybuk | KERNEL=="dlm-control", NAME=="misc/dlm-control" | 10:15 |
Keybuk | KERNEL=="dlm_*", NAME=="misc/%k", MODE="0660" | 10:15 |
Keybuk | KERNEL=="dlm_default", MODE="0666" | 10:15 |
Keybuk | is how I'd do it | 10:15 |
Keybuk | (dlm_default is renamed by the middle one) | 10:16 |
fabbione | yup | 10:16 |
fabbione | thanks | 10:16 |
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