[12:02] at least the concepts were not expressed in the same terms/words i would have used in english :) [12:02] elmo: if you don't want to bother, "setxkbmap -layout 'ca' -model pc102" should do the trick === jdub is tempted to make the title, "Fabio: The Most Beautiful Server Team Leader in the World" [12:03] seb128: I tried that xkbcomp thing, and it said: [12:03] sytntax error: line 1 of stdin [12:03] Errors encountered in stdin; not compiled. [12:03] setxkbmap directly kills the UKishness, but it's not quebicistani [12:04] fabbione: do you want me to make that 10k icon the server team icon on the fridge? [12:04] jdub: use the one from LP [12:04] that's acutally the same :P [12:04] ok :) [12:04] elmo: ups, it lacks a -print === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.199.243] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] jdub: btw.. remind me to send you 10 quid [12:05] elmo: setxkbmap -layout 'ca,gb' -model pc105 -option '' -print | xkbcomp - :0.0 [12:05] ok, no errors, just warnings [12:05] hum, weird that it bugs from GNOME, that's basically what the keyboard configurator should do [12:06] I'll give it a try on a breezy box later [12:06] ok, and X's idea of a .ca keyboard is realy not jiving with this laptop [12:06] for the moment you should be in ca keyboard [12:06] seb128: yeah, I am after running that command [12:07] jdub: btw.. where did you find out about the interview? i didn't really make it public [12:07] fabbione, it just hit osnews [12:07] fabbione: i have spies. but it also hit osnews. [12:07] ah [12:07] elmo: could you run "gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/kbd" ? [12:07] fabbione: which means you're going to be flamed ;-) [12:08] i don't care :) [12:20] holy cow === sandis [n=sandis@80.249.194.56] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] X really does not have a keymap which is even close to this one [12:20] quebicistan: 1, x.org: 0 [12:21] you have a quebec.ca keyboard? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] layouts = [ca] [12:23] model = [12:23] options = [grp grp:alts_toggle] [12:23] overrideSettings = true [12:23] seb128: ^-- [12:23] Mithrandir: one of the laptops from UBZ [12:25] elmo: setxkbmap -layout 'ca,gb' -model pc102 -option 'grp:alts_toggle' -print | xkbcomp - :0.0 [12:25] elmo: does that work [12:25] oh, no, errors! [12:25] k, so it's xorg bog [12:26] elmo: X does have it, but you have to install in French to get it, IIRC. [12:26] it doesn't like the 'grp:alts_toggle' option combined with 2 keymaps [12:26] jbailey: say what now? [12:26] elmo: I had the problem that I install in french and had to beat it to give me US layout. [12:26] that's bugzilla http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15372 [12:26] and is fixed with dapper xorg it seems (works fine on my box) [12:26] oh the one half the world is Cced on, including me, I remember that bug [12:27] jbailey: how does installing in french open up more keymaps? [12:27] elmo: No, it seemed to default to French. [12:27] elmo: Which was particularily annoying. [12:27] I've never tried installing in English when I wanted a French Canadian keyboard. [12:28] So I don't know how to find that layout. === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:28] jdub: i love you! [12:29] be careful, such claims could end up in a topic ;) [12:29] jbailey: I'm entirely confused === jdub hugs fabbione [12:30] jdub: that note on the itaglish is perfect [12:31] Mithrandir: any movement on t-bird 1.5? [12:32] jdub: you forgot the logo on the fridge ;) [12:32] for the server team :) [12:33] fabbione: it only uses the logo of the first category, and atm the 'interviews' category doesn't have one ;) [12:33] sabdfl: infinity has taken over thunderbird, I think he was waiting for something, but I can't remember what. [12:33] jdub: oh i see [12:34] sabdfl: he should be around soon though, so ask him then? === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] fabbione: nice interview. just remembered one thing for server candy stuff, deadline or cfq as default io scheduler, perhaps? I'm off for bed now though, so just a bit of a placeholder idea to you. :) === ericf [n=ericf@c529c2180.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] maswan: the schedulers are there. user should decide the one he wants [12:36] maswan: it's a boot parameter :) [12:36] but yes, we could mention it somewhere [12:36] fabbione: antipacitory isn't a good default choice for servers, imo. [12:36] fabbione: sure, I know, but isn't part of ubuntuism to provide good defaults? [12:36] fabbione: IMNSHO anything other than deadline for server is madness [12:37] ubuntuism, better watch it, or that'll be in the dictionary shortly. [12:37] and in any event AS is insane, cfq might be arguable [12:37] but I really do think choosing deadline as default makes sense for server [12:37] ok === fabbione notes [12:38] seb128: I guess I should reopen this bug then? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] against what package should I file installer-bugs in the dapper flight2 cd? [12:40] elmo: copy the " setxkbmap -layout 'ca,gb' -model pc102 -option 'grp:alts_toggle' -print | xkbcomp - :0.0" and the error to a comment ... not sure if it should be open, it's fixed with dapper [12:40] elmo: depending of if daniels wants to get a fixed version to breezy-updates too [12:40] yeah, do we want it fixed in breezy tho? [12:40] there seems to be a lot of angry users [12:40] would be nice === seth_k_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] yep, quite a bunch of dups, would be really nice to get it fixed [12:41] ok, reopened [12:41] elmo: thanks [12:42] elmo: could you sync poppler from Debian? === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:44] seb128: done [12:44] thanks === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [12:46] elmo: please sync fpc from unstable, which has been removed from ubuntu. thx. === konsumer [n=konsumer@p54B6C168.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.197.88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === uenyioha [n=uenyioha@c-67-171-75-99.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:54] does anyone know if there's a problem with this syscall [12:55] getpgid [12:56] i've included the right header file but the compiler keeps throwing an "implicit function declaration" error [12:58] elmo: on home directories, at Zeus I used to NFS-share a home directory between maybe 20 or so different machines on about 10 different Unix variants === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:59] with some fairly wildly different architectures. worked fine, as long as you don't count the total weirdness necessary in .bashrc to deal with things like getting a freaking sane terminal on HP-UX [12:59] uenyioha: no, works fine here... but I guess that's a little offtopic for -devel [01:03] uenyioha: the man page is a little lacking; getpgid() is an extension over some older standards, so you need special feature defines to get it [01:04] uenyioha: any of 1) '#define _XOPEN_SOURCE' and '#define _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED' 2) '#define _XOPEN_SOURCE 500' 3) '#define _GNU_SOURCE' will do the job [01:04] uenyioha: see "info libc 'Feature Test Macros'" for more information === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Kamion: thx...it seems to work in a test proggy i wrote === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Kamion: sans the info you just mentioned [01:06] it's only a warning, not an error, unless you're using -Werror [01:07] and you won't get it at all unless you're compiling with -Werror-implicit-function-declaration (or just -Wall) [01:07] Kamion: yeah thats true...im using -Wall -Werror actually [01:08] you have to be prepared to be moderately pedantic then :) [01:08] Kamion: thx...you saved me a few hours of hair pulling [01:09] uenyioha: ah, it actually is in the man page, just not in the usual place - look down in the NOTES section near the bottom [01:09] I guess they put it there because there are a few alternative ways to get the prototypes === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@ip68-229-118-192.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:11] Kamion: see why mama said always read the notes in the manpage :-) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62599.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lucas sees that ubuntu dapper has both openoffice 2 and openoffice 1.1.3 [01:16] is that on purpose ? [01:17] huh? [01:17] is one in universe? [01:17] yes [01:17] there you go then [01:17] debian's openoffice.org package is 2.0.0-5 [01:18] while ubuntu's is 1.1.5-0ubuntu1 [01:18] lucas, openoffice.org2 is what you're looking for. === raphink sees openoffice.org-1.1.5 and openoffice.org2-2.0.1 [01:19] HiddenWolf: I know, I was just thinking that having openoffice 1.1.5 on the mirrors might be useless [01:19] people might still want to use it. [01:19] they might not think ooo2 is cool, or whatever. [01:19] also, it's one of the most used packages in universe according to popcon [01:19] it's been demoted to universe because Debian still has it; in general we don't go around proactively removing stuff, we just demote it to universe [01:19] ok [01:20] but then,what should be done about it ? [01:20] lucas: dude, it was in the default installation in warty/hoary ... of course it'll be widely used [01:20] nothing? [01:20] just sync it from debian ? (which would sync 2.0.0-5) [01:20] ok [01:20] I imagine doko wants to handle that fairly carefully [01:20] dude, 2 is in ubuntu already [01:21] HiddenWolf: I know that === pietrus [n=pietro@dsl027-180-124.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] yes, the sync is coming. the reason I still stick to the "2" naming scheme is to provide an update for breezy [01:26] Why was the chmod 1777 /tmp removed from the bootclean.sh script? [01:26] elmo: can you please remove the gtk-sharp2-unstable source package? it has been renamed to gtk-sharp2 some weeks ago === hunger is wondering whether to expect trouble when rebooting since he formats /tmp on each reboot. [01:27] Diziet, ping [01:30] libsane does not upgrade cleanly here since /etc/hotplug.d/usb does no longer exist on my system. === hunger reboots. [01:31] hunger: same for /etc/hotplug.d/usb and /etc/sane.d/usb ;) [01:33] heh, d'oh, my fault, will fix === mvo tries to nap a bit until the meeting === Kamion isn't risking that [01:37] hunger: fix uploaded, thanks === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] Kamion: /etc/init.d/rc is borked! [01:45] Kamion: Shutdown stops in line 210 of said script. The last var used there is undefined and thus the expression does not compute. [01:45] Kamion: Plus my mounts no longer work, thus my homedir vanished. Might be a local problem though, I am still investigating. [01:46] hunger: not my fault [01:46] and I'm not in a position to investigate at the moment [01:47] Oh, one more thing: mdadm complains loudly about the devices it wants to create being there already. [01:47] hunger: these are all Keybuk problems; file bugs [01:48] Kamion: That is a bit hard without a GUI:-( [01:48] Kamion: malone sucks even more with lynx than it normally does:-( [01:49] livecd ? [01:49] pam_mount is completly borked as well. [01:49] ogra_ibook: Nah... I do not want to download and burn that without GUI apps. [01:50] oh, you dont have any ... [01:50] ouch, ubuntu nearly won the lugradio biggest letdown of the year award. :P [01:50] hunger: you shouldn't be filing bugs about Ubuntu main in Malone yet anyway [01:50] ogra_ibook: So far I had no need for that:-) [01:50] oh, yes, that too [01:50] they are almost guaranteed to be overlooked [01:51] Kamion, if you want to make that clear, put a big red notice up for main packages in malone for now. [01:51] otherwise, people will keep doing it. [01:51] Kamion: Not? Last time I was told to file malone bugs after breezy. [01:51] hunger, that _was_ the plan [01:51] Good to know that! I reported several issues in malone already. [01:51] hunger: an announcement will be made when we switch, and bugzilla will be made read-only with a big notice [01:52] HiddenWolf: I don't administer Malone and have no particular wish to do so. We'll pick up the bugs eventually [01:52] Kamion: How about making malone readonly for now? === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487DA87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] hunger, its used for universe [01:52] hunger: the universe guys would get kind of upset, since they're using it :-P === slomo___ [n=slomo@p5487DA87.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] Kamion: Or at least give a warning that it shouldn't be used for main? [01:53] hunger: anything cleverer will take away time from the Malone developers that they could be using to finish the transition from Bugzilla. [01:53] Kamion: Well, at least I do understand now why my bugreports tend to get ignored if I am not pestering people here:-) [01:54] I think it's a waste of time tweaking it now because from what I can see the transition plan is fairly close to completion now [01:54] it might have made sense to tweak it last year sometime [01:55] hunger: the way they didn't get assigned to anyone might have been a clue :-) [01:55] or have people auto-subscribed to them, or whatever the Malone terminology is this week ;) [01:55] Kamion: Well, I used gentoo for a while... never saw a bug getting assigned there;-) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] Outch... mounting no longer works since I lost the keys to my partitions. [02:04] seb128, did the default for the panel clock change ? my date is gone after an upgrade ... [02:05] nop [02:05] oh, the default setting [02:05] yep [02:05] ahuman01, k [02:05] oops [02:05] that's an option of the applet, easy to change :) [02:05] silly tab completion [02:05] yup [02:05] i just noticed it [02:05] why was it changed ? [02:06] i find the date very helpful there ... [02:06] probably because it takes some space on the panel which is expensive :p [02:06] sure [02:07] and you don't need the date all the time [02:07] and the tooltip has it === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] but one thing i noticed was that windows users are often positively impressed, its a very noticeable difference that you dont have to move your mouse over it to see the date like you have to do in win ... [02:08] agreed, having the date there is good. [02:08] sad that its gone from the default ... but i agree it takes panel space ... [02:08] we can still change the default if that's what users want [02:08] let's wait for some bugs or list mail about that [02:09] i dont really care, i'll enable it myself ... i just noticed the recation of some win users [02:10] seb128: upstream default change? === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] jdub: yep [02:15] seb128: let's unfuck that :-) [02:15] heh [02:15] (and flame upstream) [02:15] seriously [02:15] 2005-12-30 Vincent Untz [02:15] * clock.schemas.in: don't show the date by default. Fix bug #313524. [02:15] vuntz !! [02:16] Untz Untz Untz [02:16] lol [02:16] one of the first things my MIL said when she started using ubuntu on her laptop was, "oh, i like how it shows the date all the time, that is really handy!" [02:16] vuntz: YOU ARE IN BIG TROUBLE, MISTER! [02:16] hrm, we should get ubugtu here [02:16] *giggle* [02:16] he wrote [02:16] "I always wondered why there's the date by default too. So I remove it [02:16] for now. Let's see if someone is unhappy ;-)" [02:17] Could someone pretty please fix /usr/bin/mount.crypt to handle LUKS volumes again? [02:17] Dear Vincent, jdub cried last night because of you [02:17] I can send a working copy of that script to whoever does it. === jdub reopens bug === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] It is just two lines that need changing... [02:18] hunger: speak to who changed it :) [02:18] seb128: It never worked AFAICT:-) [02:18] hunger, open a bug, attach a patch ;) [02:19] hunger: so why do you say "again" :p [02:19] ogra_ibook: I opened two for it in malone. They are even assigned to pitti, but he said he does not have the time to look into them right now. [02:19] seb128: i reopened the bug :) [02:20] seb128: It used to work for me... but thinking about it I did not use LUKS back then:-) [02:21] hunger: ping pitti when he's around he did work on g-v-m/luks IIRC [02:22] jdub: nice comment :) [02:22] seb128: He said he does not have the time to do it... but I'll pester him some more:-) [02:23] hunger: it's in cryptsetup? if so, that's universe [02:23] I'm sure ajmitch will fix it for you :) [02:23] so I wouldn't blame pittit for not having time to hack on universe much ;) [02:24] seb128: yeah, I have other cryptsetup bugs, I just started playinh with LUKS a couple of days ago :) [02:24] ajmitch: It is part of libpam-mount. [02:24] still universe :) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] seb128: I vote for clock without date ! [02:24] hey dholbach ! [02:24] ajmitch: I got a new cryptsetup init script. Works way better for me... see malone #564 [02:25] re ajmitch :) [02:25] seb128: hiding date is the first thing I always do on 'fresh' ubuntu installation [02:25] hunger: um [02:25] ajmitch: Aehm... #563 [02:25] hunger: surely not 564 :) [02:26] ok, I'll take a look at them [02:27] once I get a new laptop that I can use this usb flash disk with ;) [02:27] marcin`: there is no way to have everybody happy on that, that's why that's a setting :) === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] marcin`: I love having the date shown, it saves me wondering what month it is ;) [02:28] ajmitch: but you always can turn it on... [02:28] marcin`, options are nice, better defaults are king [02:28] but you can turn it off... [02:29] as Burgundavia says, it's a matter of sane defaults [02:29] I'm crazier than most & have the clock on 2 panels, 1 per screen [02:29] but I doubt we'd have that as default [02:29] ok then I know what should you all do :) [02:30] write small script that will install with gnome-panel and will report to some remote sever [02:30] what users got on their desktops :) [02:30] just get their gconf key [02:30] do a fridge pool :p [02:31] yeah [02:31] ajmitch: You want to checkout malone #6216 and #6257 if you want to play with LUKS and pam_mount. [02:31] I looked at them [02:32] ajmitch: Just added proper patches. [02:32] kind of - something simmilar to ubuntu popularity-contest package [02:33] rotfllll :) [02:33] because of this discussion I turned on date on my clock applet [02:34] mdz, vagrant has some nice modifications to multiarch and some other fixes http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr-archives/ltsp/ubuntufixes/ [02:34] to see how it looks and.. found "UTC time" option :) [02:34] and now I got correct time on my clock :D === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] elmo: pleasy sync rfb from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx. [02:44] what's the best glade editor/viewer around at the moment? [02:44] I can't get gazpacho to display any tabs of a GtkNotebook other than the first, which makes it unusable for me [02:45] any thoughts on putting libpam-encfs n main for dapper if the broken encfs gets fixed? === dereks_ [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] having on the fly home directory encryption is a great feature for laptop users [02:49] SEJeff: What makes this better then pam-mount? [02:49] Kamion: glade itself :) [02:49] I wish someone would build something that could do on the fly file encryption like windows' efs, rather than encrypting the entire filesystem at the block layer [02:50] devel meeting in 10 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting [02:50] psusi: reiserfs4? [02:50] hunger, maybe some day... [02:50] seb128: how do you get it to actually display what the glade looks like? [02:50] psusi: Yeah, I wouldn't trust my data to it at this time. [02:50] I'm assuming glade-2 is the same thing here [02:51] Good night. [02:51] hunger, I'd use it if it were in the official kernel [02:51] Kamion: glade-2 ui.glade [02:51] you have a list of windows from the .glade, double click on one [02:51] psusi: Not till suse had it as default FS for a couple of month:-) [02:52] psusi, libpam-encfs [02:52] I make backups, and don't have anything THAT important... I'd love to play with it [02:52] SEJeff, that encrypts the entire filesystem at the block level [02:52] doens't it? [02:52] psusi, it encrypts the files and obsfucates the filenames [02:52] psusi, no === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:52] hrm... [02:52] hi [02:52] interesting... I'll have to look at it [02:52] psusi, so that you can do rsync backups on encrypted filesystems that are transparently decrypted when you login through gdm [02:52] pitti: good morning === psusi waves at pitti [02:53] "morning", hum hum [02:53] well, "middle of night" :) [02:54] seb128: ah, righto, got it, thanks - I was trying to double-click on the widget tree which helpfully does absolutely nothing [02:54] pitti, hey... can a hal fdi policy invoke an external utility somehow to decide if it should match a rule? I could probably figure that out of I could find some actual docs on it.. heh... [02:54] Kamion: np [02:54] hi pitti [02:55] hunger, I have 0 experience with pam-mount so I can't really tell you. I would just like to see some sort of option in the installer to encrypt each users files to protect files incase of laptop theft [02:55] 5 minutes [02:56] psusi: hm, no idea, I never saw such a rule === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] SEJeff: It can be used to mount an encrypted filesystem. [02:57] pitti, do you know of any documentation for the policy file format, or am I just going to have to dive into the source some more? ;) [02:57] hunger, an encrypted filesystem... thats it's limitation. libpam-encfs encrypts per user, not per filesystem [02:57] SEJeff: It is actually rather comftable to use once you have set it up. Works no the fs only though. [02:58] SEJeff: All users are on a separate LVM volume here... [02:58] hunger, so libpam-encfs has a huge anvantage on a multi-user system over it. Unless you make /home/$USER a different volume. that can get ugly [02:58] hunger, I use lvm too, but that is suboptimal [02:58] hunger, outch.... what a pain [02:58] SEJeff: How does it protect the user's keyphrases. [02:59] psusi: Well, there is only me on this laptop plus a couple of test users:-) [02:59] yea... that means you have to allocate a fixed amount of space to each user... and that filesystem will tend to get fragmented on account of being mostly full [02:59] psusi: http://cvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?only_with_tag=HEAD [02:59] hunger, phone call. brb === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:00] SEJeff: lets talk tomorrow then... awfully late here. [03:00] Good night everybody. [03:01] night === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487EF2F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamion [n=cjwatson@83-216-156-196.colinw664.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pietrus [n=pietro@dsl027-180-124.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru [n=poningru@pool-68-238-172-220.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] Keybuk: what is madwifi-ng and what's the status of network-manager for dapper? [03:32] Mithrandir,mdz: direct svn URL to the X->console keymap conversion tool I mentioned is svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kbd/people/zinoviev/console-setup === milli [n=milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] madwifi-ng is the "new" Atheros drivers === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] network-manager is currently blocked and "won't go in for dapper" because it doesn't work on Atheros cards [03:33] madwifi-ng *may* solve this, and unblock n-m again [03:33] Keybuk: Did you see my pointer to the openhal stuff? [03:34] (Probably not useful in this case, but still) [03:34] mjg59: yeah, I've tried openhal before, and it's terrible [03:34] Keybuk: Heh. Fun. [03:34] supports fewer cards and features than the real one [03:34] Fair enough [03:35] If you can try madwifi-ng, that would be ridiculously helpful [03:35] We can push it into l-r-m for dapper and see how it goes [03:35] infinity is going to package it up in lrm tomorrowish [03:35] Oh, cool [03:35] Replacing madwifi? [03:35] yeah [03:36] nice [03:36] (in ~infinity, and then the real archive if testing goes well) [03:36] hi all [03:37] Keybuk: (~adconrad, surely) [03:37] Keybuk: so it's you i need to blame for the root passwd at shutdown/reboot? ;) [03:37] well, yes, but it's 2:30am here and I'm asleep [03:38] fabbione: apparently; it works for me for some reason *shrug* [03:38] Keybuk: do you need the full error [03:38] ? [03:38] already fixed [03:38] ok === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:44] is the hal in openhal anything to do with HAL? [03:46] No [03:48] thought not, mildly confusing [03:48] doko: bah, /usr/lib/openoffice2/help/en/smath.idx/DICTIONARY seems to be in all oo.o packages and -help-en-us, so there are a lot of file conflicts. known bug? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:49] pitti: -0ubuntu3 ... === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] doko: ok, if it's known, great [03:55] seb128: I saw the new logout dialog this evening; shiny :) [03:57] yep, it's nice (but still requires some work) :) [03:59] doko: dude.. can we have a couple of words? :P [03:59] doko: gcc-* + OOo2* can tank my poor buildd ;) === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-4-142.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] fabbione: wait with oo*, wait with gcc-4.0/gcj-4.0 for the next upload (amd64 biarch update) [04:02] doko: i am already building ubuntu3 [04:02] same as gcc-4.0 and gcj-4.1 [04:03] ubuntu3 should be ok, that will hopefully stay some time [04:03] doko: yes, we need to know as well if it is FTBFS [04:04] mdz: yay, I have a media-integrity-check thingy that works on the live cd as well. [04:05] Mithrandir: cool [04:05] Mithrandir: just text output for now? [04:05] mdz: no, no text output for now. Just usplash. [04:06] excellent [04:06] I thought that was waiting for infinity to get back [04:06] no, that's for the regular casper initramfs thingy. [04:06] I'm seriously abusing both casper and usplash here, but it works quite well [04:07] you know, doing a really basic espresso-partman integration doesn't actually look that hard at all [04:07] even after the first level of analysis [04:07] making it fit mpt's proposed UI is trickier, but that's for later ... [04:08] Riddell: according to the network-manager list, RH just got a madwifi card /today/ for testing purposes. Pity I missed keybuk. [04:08] whats keybuks email? [04:08] scott@ubuntu [04:08] cheers === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-176-233.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === storm [i=joel@201.37.99.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h174n9c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@203-214-21-117.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] grrrr === Mithrandir kicks usplash in the nuts. [04:24] Grrr indeed. [04:24] hiya infinity [04:24] how's life? [04:24] I came home to a shiny new DSL connection that's... Not quite right in the head. [04:25] But at least it's connected now. [04:25] Slow. But connected. [04:25] infinity: you had some usplash fixes? I'm pondering uploading a new version, since the current version is broken when you fill the FIFO [04:26] infinity: so if either you want my fixes or the other way around, that'd be useful. [04:26] You have a fix for that? [04:26] yes [04:26] Yay. [04:26] I needed it, so I coded it. [04:26] Just upload. The archive is our RCS for usplash. AFAIK, Matt doesn't have a repo for it, and I know I don't. [04:26] actually, I have two fixes for that. One correct and one hackish. The hackish being smaller, but does a lot of 1-byte reads. [04:27] Correct sounds good to me. [04:27] true, he doesn't. === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.134.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] daniels: do the xorg fglrx drivers not depend on the kernel driver version? [04:36] No, but they probably should. [04:37]