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| Kamion | irssi is going insane on me; it has stopped autocreating new windows on /join | 02:58 |
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| mdz | fabbione: ping | 02:58 |
| mdz | mvo: ping | 02:58 |
| Kamion | I was trying not to get channels interleaved over each other, 1995-stylee | 02:58 |
| mdz | doko: ping | 02:58 |
| mdz | Riddell: ping | 02:58 |
| mvo | hello mdz | 02:58 |
| ogra_ibook | :) | 02:58 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: is autocreate_windows on? | 02:59 |
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| jbailey | mdz: ping | 02:59 |
| jbailey | (preemptive) | 02:59 |
| jbailey | =) | 02:59 |
| mdz | iwj: ping | 02:59 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: pong. | 02:59 |
| Mithrandir | (preemptive) | 02:59 |
| mdz | dholbach: ping | 02:59 |
| dholbach | mdz: pong | 02:59 |
| Kyral | oh...I hope you guys don't mind me sitting in on the Meeting | 02:59 |
| doko | pong | 02:59 |
| HiddenWolf | Kyral, public meeting. :) | 02:59 |
| mdz | it's public, but the agenda is usually very tight so please don't interrupt | 02:59 |
| Kyral | I won't | 03:00 |
| ogra_ibook | Kyral, sure we do, thats why we meet in such a secret place ;) | 03:00 |
| mdz | we seem to still be missing a few people | 03:00 |
| Kyral | I'll just idle :D | 03:00 |
| fabbione | mdz: pong | 03:00 |
| HiddenWolf | specially since all the european-based devels want to go to bed fast. :) | 03:00 |
| mdz | fabbione: have you seen BenC? | 03:00 |
| Riddell | hi all | 03:00 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: connection reset by peer ~20 minutes ago, apparently. | 03:00 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes he is online.. i was speaking to him 10 minutes ago, but he is having net problems | 03:01 |
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| fabbione | there... | 03:01 |
| BenC | shoot my connection, please | 03:01 |
| mdz | missing iwj, dholbach and daniels I think | 03:01 |
| seb128 | dholbach is around | 03:01 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: 02:59 < dholbach> mdz: pong | 03:02 |
| dholbach | mdz: pong :) | 03:02 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: he ponged about two seconds after you pinged | 03:02 |
| mdz | indeed | 03:02 |
| Mithrandir | also, iwj's irc client is here, at least. | 03:02 |
| iwj | Yes, I'm here. | 03:02 |
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| mdz | daniels SMSed with connectivity problems | 03:03 |
| mdz | infinity and janew are on leave | 03:03 |
| mdz | so let's get started | 03:03 |
| mdz | BenC: shoot | 03:04 |
| BenC | testing-server-hardware: NOT STARTED | 03:04 |
| BenC | preventing-hardware-support-regressions: Automated build working. Designed as a push trigger system (slightly contrary to original design spec). Hopefully ronne will be stable enough to start using as a build host. | 03:04 |
| BenC | ubuntu-server-kernel: STALLED: amd64 and i386 are done. I'm contemplating on whether doing other architectures is even wanted right now. | 03:04 |
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| BenC | milestone: 2.6.15 is final and in dapper | 03:04 |
| mdz | BenC: by testing-server-hardware, do you mean the certification spec by that name, or the actual community testing program which was intended? | 03:05 |
| BenC | spec | 03:05 |
| mdz | ok, please swap them then | 03:05 |
| BenC | it's assigned to me, but really, most of the work is on malcom to get the ball rolling | 03:05 |
| mdz | exactly | 03:05 |
| BenC | ok | 03:05 |
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| mdz | meanwhile, the community testing program (which is what that spec should have become) should be able to be started immediately | 03:05 |
| BenC | oh, and ubuntu-server-kernel still needs to be approved | 03:05 |
| mdz | who's the approver? | 03:05 |
| jbailey | mdz: Please do me last, my machine just puked, need a couple minutes to get reconnected. | 03:06 |
| BenC | mdz: fabio :) | 03:06 |
| BenC | fabbione: approve me damnit | 03:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok, will do | 03:06 |
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| mdz | a bit late now that it's been implemented; hope it's OK ;-) | 03:06 |
| fabbione | BenC: i didn't notice it was ready for approval | 03:06 |
| BenC | thanks | 03:06 |
| fabbione | mdz: well yeah :) | 03:06 |
| Kamion | excuse me, I just typed an unwise thing into my IRC client | 03:06 |
| BenC | hehe | 03:06 |
| mdz | BenC: regarding powerpc, I'm not fussed either way | 03:07 |
| Kamion | sorry, context? | 03:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: i think we still wants them. elmo gave me some ideas about -server kernels today (together with other people) | 03:07 |
| BenC | ppc64 is the only thing worth -server, but it's not really terrible in it's current state | 03:07 |
| fabbione | BenC: but we can take it outside | 03:07 |
| mdz | BenC: as part of preventing-hardware-support-regressions, please draft a mail for -announce to explain that we really, really need the community to test our milestones for hardware regressions | 03:07 |
| mdz | Kamion: context = ubuntu-server-kernel | 03:08 |
| Kamion | thanks | 03:08 |
| mdz | daniels is on leave | 03:08 |
| mdz | dholbach: next | 03:08 |
| dholbach | inclusion-of-docs: did another update, mdke did a call for proofreaders / doc-testers | 03:08 |
| dholbach | this week (done): gnome 2.13.4, bug triage | 03:08 |
| dholbach | this week (to do): some missing gnome uploads, catching up on bug triage | 03:08 |
| dholbach | next week: more bug triage, do a bug day, get an overview over universe (merges, new packages), merges, make check list for uvf | 03:08 |
| mdz | dholbach: if the inclusion-of-docs process is in place and working, we can consider it completed | 03:08 |
| dholbach | mdz: ok, i'll change the spec data then | 03:09 |
| mdz | if there is no more work to be done on it apart from continuing to do updates | 03:09 |
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| dholbach | mdz, Kamion: did the ubuntu-docs update go to breezy yet? | 03:09 |
| dholbach | breezy-updates I mean | 03:09 |
| mdz | I'm behind on mail | 03:09 |
| ogra_ibook | dholbach, we're waiting for infinity | 03:09 |
| Kamion | dholbach: when I last had time to check, the edubuntu-artwork interaction wasn't sorted out yet | 03:09 |
| dholbach | ogra_ibook: i think not for breezy | 03:10 |
| dholbach | oh alright | 03:10 |
| ogra_ibook | dholbach, he wanted to review the alternatives change we need | 03:10 |
| dholbach | ok, i'll talk to infinity then | 03:10 |
| mdz | dholbach: how is test-plans going? | 03:10 |
| ogra_ibook | Kamion, it is sorted, he just needs to approve the patches | 03:10 |
| mdz | that's a high priority goal | 03:10 |
| dholbach | mdz: i did some changes to it and talked to the media team about more tests, now we need some community buzz around it | 03:11 |
| dholbach | mdz: i'll put more work into it | 03:11 |
| mdz | dholbach: what remains to be done in order to meet the requirements of the spec? | 03:11 |
| mdz | dholbach: I suggest having a talk with BenC regarding test-plans | 03:11 |
| mdz | and preventing-hardware-support-regressions | 03:11 |
| mdz | we should have a hardware support test plan component if we don't already | 03:11 |
| dholbach | mdz: we had a conversation on email about that already - but we will continue on that | 03:12 |
| mdz | ok, thanks | 03:12 |
| mdz | doko: next | 03:12 |
| doko | this week: | 03:12 |
| doko | - openoffice.org: integrating martink's xmlsearch patch, prepackaged ooo2-helpcontent can be dropped, fighting with build problems only seen on the buildd's (l10n), prepare packages for breezy-updates (support work), fighting gij problems on powerpc, currently work around it. | 03:12 |
| doko | - toolchain-roadmap: scan bugzilla for open reports, forward/close, snyc/merge packages with gcc-4.0 fixes | 03:12 |
| doko | - python-roadmap: delayed again for next week | 03:12 |
| doko | next week: | 03:12 |
| doko | - openoffice.org: merge with unstable, update the current milestone, update dictionaries | 03:12 |
| doko | - python-roadmap: python-central update | 03:12 |
| doko | - syncs/merges which need to be done before UVF. | 03:12 |
| doko | status: | 03:12 |
| doko | - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (still blocked), should be ready this week | 03:12 |
| doko | - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build and buildd infrastructure | 03:12 |
| doko | - openoffice-gnome: not started, martink will work on testsuite packaging and gnome integration testing (i.e. file selector in January) | 03:12 |
| doko | - openoffice-help: implemented | 03:12 |
| doko | - openoffice-spellchecking: not started | 03:12 |
| doko | - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj binary packages not started | 03:12 |
| doko | - java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates and the native-java-gcj support | 03:12 |
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| mdz | doko: which syncs/merges are on your list for before UVF? | 03:13 |
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| doko | mdz: I was going through current upstream version from distrowatch, where we are behind major versions | 03:14 |
| mdz | I talked to jbailey about biarch, and he hoped to have it finished by now or soon after the meeting | 03:14 |
| doko | i.e. Bittorrent, vnc, and some other. plus various python related packages, which should be current upstream | 03:15 |
| mdz | doko: I'm interested to hear what you found in your upstream version comparison; please send me an email on it | 03:15 |
| doko | yes, biarch should not be a problem | 03:15 |
| mdz | jbailey: can you commit to having it ready by the end of this week? | 03:15 |
| doko | mdz: ok, tomorrow | 03:15 |
| mdz | jbailey may still be fixing his machine... | 03:16 |
| mdz | doko: thanks | 03:16 |
| jbailey | mdz: Assuming I get gdb and an editor that's not nano on the new porting box fairly earlyish tomorrow, yes. | 03:16 |
| jbailey | (madly retyping my status update, sorry) | 03:16 |
| mdz | jbailey: do you have an RT ticket open already? | 03:16 |
| jbailey | Yup | 03:16 |
| mdz | ok | 03:16 |
| mdz | fabbione: next | 03:16 |
| fabbione | * server-candy: system-integrity-check (ex md5client) has been partially redesigned and rewritten. There is an outstanding performance issue that we are working on (client side). Deploy is blocked on admins (rt: #723). Commu | 03:16 |
| fabbione | nity is growning fast with positive response and picking up tasks from the specs. | 03:16 |
| fabbione | * ubuntu-cluster: full upgrades of currently supported suites. I doubt we will manage to get more in dapper as n | 03:16 |
| fabbione | ew features. Need to test all the new upstream code that landed in the last 2 days. | 03:16 |
| fabbione | * probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress this week. | 03:16 |
| fabbione | * boot-from-usb: blocked by probe-for-root-filesystem. | 03:17 |
| fabbione | * merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, one merge (partman-auto-lvm) is pending but nothing scary or urgent. | 03:17 |
| fabbione | * last week: system-integrity-check and server-candy work, ubuntu-cluster, kernel regression (#20771). | 03:17 |
| fabbione | * next week: change the default kernel install on -server with Kamion, servercandy full speed, possibly start on probe-for-root-filesystem. | 03:17 |
| fabbione | (the latter is modulo Kamion availability to hack on switching the kernel) | 03:17 |
| Kamion | I can walk you through most of it in about ten minutes | 03:17 |
| mdz | fabbione: anytime you are blocked on server-candy, please start on boot-from-usb/probe-for-root-filesystem. those are relatively important | 03:17 |
| Kamion | for that matter I can probably *do* it in about ten minutes, but no promises :-) | 03:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am rarely blocked on server-candy as real work. I am blocked from uploading a final package in the archive | 03:18 |
| mdz | fabbione: libc6-i386-dev is part of the same biarch work that jbailey is working on? | 03:18 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok :) | 03:18 |
| fabbione | mdz: yes afaik | 03:18 |
| jbailey | mdz: Yes, that and libc6-i386 | 03:18 |
| mdz | fabbione: boot-from-usb should make it into a milestone soon so that it can be tested | 03:19 |
| mdz | sometime before the sprint definitely | 03:19 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's a medium priority spec. server-candy is sucking most of my time | 03:19 |
| fabbione | mdz: i will try to prioritize it | 03:19 |
| mdz | fabbione: it should take a lot less time; if you can squeeze it in, then it would be best to get it done early | 03:20 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:20 |
| mdz | infinity is on leave | 03:20 |
| mdz | iwj: next | 03:20 |
| iwj | AutomatedTesting: No change since last report. I will resume work on this next week. Apparently the IBM LTC are interested in this too and there's going to be a call (organised by Malcom Yates I think). | 03:20 |
| iwj | Firefox maintenance: Release today to fix packaging problems; more work needed and I hope to have another release on Friday. BreezyFirefoxStartPageTranslation didn't happen and Matthew East and I haven't quite settled on the scheme for Dapper. I'm trying not to let ff consume more than 50% of me but it's tough. | 03:20 |
| iwj | DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last report. Firefox needs more other work too - see above. | 03:20 |
| iwj | ThinClientLocalDevices: It has disappeared from my specs table in launchpad. What has happened ? Has it been cancelled ? Surely I should have got some kind of notification ? | 03:20 |
| iwj | Email backlog: considerable, still. | 03:20 |
| iwj | DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked. | 03:20 |
| mdz | iwj: let's chat about firefox strategy later on today | 03:21 |
| iwj | You mean after the meeting ? | 03:21 |
| mdz | yes, and after you've slept, assuming you plan to | 03:21 |
| iwj | I was going to get 8 hours if I could ... | 03:22 |
| mdz | right, so later today when you're awake | 03:22 |
| iwj | Right. | 03:22 |
| mdz | you mentioned last week that you were waiting for something from robert collins? did you get it? | 03:22 |
| iwj | No; but it wasn't critical. | 03:22 |
| iwj | It's starting to be past the point where it'd be useful and I don't want to block on it. He had some ideas about the test list spec file. | 03:23 |
| mdz | thin client local devices seems unlikely to make it for dapper | 03:23 |
| ogra_ibook | yup | 03:23 |
| mdz | I think it needs more discussion and design work | 03:23 |
| iwj | Right. Shouldn't lp have sent me a mail ? | 03:23 |
| iwj | Certainly, yes. | 03:23 |
| mdz | I don't think the spec tracker sends email for anything yet | 03:23 |
| iwj | Oh. | 03:23 |
| mdz | it's a work in progress, feel free to hit #launchpad with questions | 03:24 |
| iwj | Right. | 03:24 |
| iwj | Then I think whoever canned it for dapper (good decision) should have told me ? | 03:24 |
| mdz | ok, thanks | 03:24 |
| mdz | jbailey asked to be bumped to the end | 03:24 |
| jbailey | mdz: I'm okay now | 03:24 |
| jbailey | ToolchainRoadmap: Biarch packages in progress (didn't want NEW handling over the winter break). Updated to 2.3.6. Some more Debian patches to take in, but all the packaging updates are done. | 03:24 |
| jbailey | ToolchainRoadmapNg: Upstream glibc announced ABI freeze date for glibc-2.4 (January 9th), so we will do glibc 2.4 for Dapper +1. Posted question about dropping pre-i686 to ubuntu-devel, no negative feedback. Haven't sync'd this with doko yet, but hopefully archive rebuild tests can proceed with this in mind. | 03:24 |
| jbailey | Merges: klibc - definetly following "release early, release often". Looks like the 1.1.15 release is finally good enough to boot all arches, so UVF is smelling good. | 03:24 |
| jbailey | glibc - More debian patches to bring in. | 03:24 |
| mdz | ok then | 03:24 |
| mdz | jbailey: I haven't had a chance to review your mail about pre-i686 in depth yet, will do so soon | 03:25 |
| jbailey | mdz: Thanks. | 03:25 |
| mdz | it's a proposal for dapper+1 presumably, so no rush? | 03:26 |
| jbailey | Right, but it's invasive enough it would be nice to do tests by mid-feb | 03:26 |
| doko | no rush is relative ... | 03:26 |
| ogra_ibook | heh | 03:26 |
| mdz | e.g., we can talk about it in London in a few weeks | 03:26 |
| jbailey | Yup. | 03:26 |
| mdz | ok, thanks | 03:26 |
| mdz | Kamion: next | 03:26 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-express-base-system: Tollef's split out the keymapper widget from cdebconf. I have username/password configuration working by calling code from user-setup, which is very encouraging and I think validates my basic approach. | 03:26 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-express: Not a lot else of note, although I have got a fair bit more infrastructure nailed down as a result of the above. Main short-term goal is to polish up the guts to the point where others can help. | 03:27 |
| Kamion | misc: Single-stage installer work merged from Debian, killing base-config and fixing lots of bugs; testing appreciated. Only two days' work so far this week due to holidays. | 03:27 |
| Kamion | blocked: Need a way to get the unmodified file system on the live CD in order to implement ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem. Tollef is working on this. | 03:27 |
| Kamion | next-week: Start back in on ue-partitioning-tool; I have the infrastructure now to make that roughly sensible. gfxboot-theme-ubuntu bug fixes and maybe an enhancement or two needed for cd-bootloader. | 03:27 |
| mdz | we covered the salient bits on the phone today, I think | 03:27 |
| Kamion | yeah, I think so | 03:27 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:28 |
| mdz | Keybuk: next | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | udev-roadmap: Implemented | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | hardware-detection: Implemented (informational) | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | hardware-activation: Implemented | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | streamlined-boot: Uploads in progress, doing merges as I do the uploads. | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | network-magic: Going to test madwifi-ng, which may unblock network-manager. netbase and ifupdown modifications planned. have a plan for using udev's native "ifrename" support, and reliably swapping interface names. | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | this week: finish streamlined-boot, do ifupdown work | 03:28 |
| mdz | Keybuk: is there a followup to be done regarding the urgent-reboot-notification bit? | 03:28 |
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| mdz | (from udev-roadmap) | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | I'm not sure, that was seperated into another spec that mpt was working on | 03:28 |
| Keybuk | udev does the right "reboot required" thing for the current lightbulb | 03:29 |
| mdz | I'm assuming it's not a critical piece of udev-roadmap, since it's set to implemented | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | the mpt spec was to make that a little more obvious I think | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | right | 03:29 |
| mdz | ok | 03:29 |
| mdz | streamlined-boot is looking mostly reasonable, but please, pretty please, fix that bug which broke shutdown | 03:29 |
| Keybuk | yup, have it fixed already, will upload tomorrow morning along with the "mount /dev/pts again" fix | 03:29 |
| mdz | ok | 03:30 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:30 |
| mdz | are krstic or lathiat here? | 03:30 |
| mdz | no | 03:30 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: next | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | ooo-amd64: no progress | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | live-cd-performance: incremental progress seen, going to look at squashfs some more for more speedups, as well as doing more readahead. Well on track | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | one-true-path: no progress | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | simplified-livecd: mostly there, keyboard selection now works, locales works, SCSI cdroms work, | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | media-integrity-check: almost there, was hanging on usplash bugs, I think I have fixed them now. If so, implemented | 03:30 |
| Mithrandir | network-authentication: no progress | 03:31 |
| Mithrandir | livecd-unionfs: implemented, but the powerpc kernel has problems with unionfs | 03:31 |
| Mithrandir | blocked on: some live cd infrastructure stuff, like getting squashfs support in, generally people getting back from vacation. | 03:31 |
| mdz | Mithrandir,Kamion: is it feasible to use different overlay systems (unionfs, cloop) on different architectures for the sake of powerpc? | 03:31 |
| Mithrandir | already implemented | 03:32 |
| mdz | right, it's implemented in casper, but is it reasonable to actually do this for the final release? | 03:32 |
| Mithrandir | it loses a fair chunk of space on the powerpc cd | 03:32 |
| mdz | at the least it would mean that we wouldn't be able to take much advantage of the space savings by adding software | 03:32 |
| Kamion | we could take advantage of it with language packs on x86 still | 03:32 |
| mdz | unless we did it only on i386 and amd64 | 03:32 |
| Kamion | has anyone got stuck into the unionfs bugs at all? I know BenC has a powerpc now ... | 03:33 |
| mdz | is powerpc still pressed for space in current dapper? | 03:33 |
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| ogra_ibook | yup | 03:33 |
| daniels | hi, sorry I'm late. | 03:33 |
| Mithrandir | do we have any kind of estimate how much effort it would be to fix the unionfs bugs? | 03:33 |
| mdz | 642M it looks like | 03:33 |
| mdz | daniels: got your SMS | 03:33 |
| dholbach | daniels! :) | 03:33 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: I certainly don't | 03:33 |
| mdz | the unionfs bugs I have gotten friendly with have been a lot of work to track down | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | hmm, that sounds bad. | 03:34 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: are they straightforward reproducible bugs, or weird bugs? | 03:34 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: keyboard selection> we still need the bootloader side of that, and maybe simplified command line argument aliases for the sake of powerpc | 03:34 |
| Kamion | mdz: oopsen | 03:34 |
| Kamion | followed by weird bugs | 03:34 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: ENOPOWERPC, so ask colin? | 03:34 |
| Kamion | but reproducible, the desktop goes insane | 03:35 |
| Kamion | at least on my box, but I think somebody else mentioned similar issues | 03:35 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: speaking of oopsen, is there a bug filed for that non-fatal oops during boot on the live cd? | 03:35 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: yes, but I'm guessing based on locale, which is somewhat-reasonable. | 03:35 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: I haven't filed one, but I asked benc about it, he didn't have any offhand ideas, at least. Might be in an awkward spot to debug. | 03:35 |
| mdz | please get it into bugzilla for tracking | 03:36 |
| Mithrandir | ok | 03:36 |
| Mithrandir | I'll see if I can actually _capture_ the oops as well | 03:36 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: does network-authentication look like something we can actually achieve, or no? | 03:36 |
| fabbione | Mithrandir: benc got ppc last week. | 03:36 |
| mdz | it's getting late in the cycle to start a new 30+ developer-day project | 03:36 |
| mdz | it has an approved spec, but iirc it's not entirely clear what we should do there | 03:37 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: I'm getting doubtful, especially if we want to try to get multiarch and such started before dapper's out. | 03:37 |
| dholbach | mdz: you meant https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/5838 ? | 03:37 |
| mdz | dholbach: yes, that looks like the same bug | 03:37 |
| mdz | on a related note, the bugzilla->malone migration is tentatively scheduled for next week | 03:38 |
| mdz | look for an announcement soon with details and instructions | 03:38 |
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| jbailey | mdz: Got a related note on Soyuz, too? | 03:38 |
| dholbach | mdz: do you know if we will have the default-assignees / qa-contacts? | 03:38 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: we should talk about if we should go for squashfs or not, at some point. | 03:38 |
| pitti | mdz: I already wondered, wasn't it planned for right before xmas? | 03:38 |
| Kamion | dholbach: the bug contacts stuff is in as I understand it, yes | 03:39 |
| mdz | pitti: there were some delays, and then holidays pushed everything forward | 03:39 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: since currently, the speed optimisations are mostly me trying different things, some of which have infrastructural changes (such as squashfs) | 03:39 |
| seb128 | if it's in atm it doesn't work | 03:39 |
| Kamion | see https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/BugzillaImportProcess for the planned procedure | 03:39 |
| dholbach | Kamion: then I'll have to figure out how it works. :) | 03:39 |
| mdz | soyuz rollout is scheduled for the week of January 23rd, directly before the sprint | 03:39 |
| dholbach | pitti: late christmas present | 03:39 |
| mdz | I will be in London that week assisting the Launchpad team with the rollout | 03:39 |
| Kamion | seb128: the actual contact data hasn't been imported yet; it'll be imported right before the rollout | 03:39 |
| mdz | dholbach: we will have default contacts | 03:39 |
| Kamion | but the code is, I'm told, landed | 03:39 |
| dholbach | mdz: cool. | 03:39 |
| seb128 | would be nice to get the code running for some time before | 03:39 |
| seb128 | so we know if it works fine | 03:40 |
| mdz | seb128: the bugzilla default assignees will be imported very soon, I think in the next couple of days | 03:40 |
| Kamion | to do that we'd have to agree to freeze component maintainer data in bugzilla | 03:40 |
| mdz | there's a thread on the launchpad list about the migration | 03:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: it's pretty stable really; there will be an announcement when we should stop touching it | 03:40 |
| dholbach | seb128: we should split up some packages for that and make sure we get the bugs on desktop-bugs@ too | 03:41 |
| seb128 | yep | 03:41 |
| mdz | you'll be able to add an arbitrary number of bug contacts for a package | 03:41 |
| mdz | rather than just an assignee and a QA contact as in bugzilla | 03:41 |
| mdz | so it should be easier to involve teams and interested individuals | 03:41 |
| Kamion | at the moment, you can only add yourself as a contact; we can't do it for you, the way we've been doing in bugzilla | 03:41 |
| Kamion | kind of swings and roundabouts there | 03:41 |
| mdz | right, s/you/launchpad admins/ for now | 03:41 |
| mdz | but I'm a launchpad admin | 03:41 |
| mdz | so feel free to route those requests through me | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | hmm, what about when you punt a bug across to a different package | 03:42 |
| Kamion | shall we defer more about this to other business at the end of the meeting, just to make sure we get through everyone? | 03:42 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: if we're going to do squashfs on i386/amd64, we should go ahead and do it straight away | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | I do that maybe 5-10 times a day with kernel or pmount bugs | 03:42 |
| Keybuk | which obviously need contact changes | 03:42 |
| mdz | to get as much testing as possible | 03:42 |
| Mithrandir | mdz: I'm going to look at it with infinity once he gets back | 03:43 |
| mdz | I think it's definitely worth a try; we should be able to switch back painlessly if necessary | 03:43 |
| Kamion | it may require fairly trivial cdimage changes; let me know | 03:43 |
| dholbach | mdz: I pinged Lathiat - he seems to be there. | 03:43 |
| mdz | Keybuk: talk to bradb/launchpad@lists about it; I'm not sure offhand how the semantics work currently | 03:44 |
| Mithrandir | and jbailey just uploaded a klibc-utils with a squashfs-working fstype, so it should be good. | 03:44 |
| mdz | cool | 03:44 |
| mdz | thanks, Mithrandir | 03:44 |
| mdz | mvo: next | 03:44 |
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| mvo | Did: | 03:44 |
| mvo | - libnotify 0.3.0 upload/transition (fixed bugs in the daemon, did the api changes on the dependencies, updated seeds) [DapperDesktopPlan] | 03:44 |
| mvo | - backported gdebi and updated unattended-upgrades to breezy and ask for testing in ubuntuforums.org [AutomaticUpdates] | 03:44 |
| mvo | - improved synaptics support for people with slow internet connection [NonBroadbandUsers] | 03:44 |
| mvo | - bugfixes/improvments in gnome-app-install and gdebi [ThirdPartyPackages] | 03:44 |
| mvo | Next week: | 03:44 |
| mvo | - work on the ThirdPartyPackages spec (add key support to the channels) | 03:44 |
| mvo | - work on the AutomaticUpgrades | 03:44 |
| mvo | Open merges: | 03:44 |
| mvo | - synaptic, aptitude | 03:44 |
| mdz | mvo: we still need to talk about the upgrade tool. later today? | 03:44 |
| Lathiat | bingles | 03:44 |
| mvo | mdz: yes, when I had some sleep please :) | 03:45 |
| mdz | mvo: is release-upgrades blocked on discussion with me? | 03:46 |
| mvo | no | 03:46 |
| mdz | it wasn't clear whether your comment at the last meeting referred to automatic-upgrades or release-upgrades | 03:46 |
| mdz | release-upgrades is your highest priority assignment right now | 03:46 |
| mvo | I was asking if it would be worth backporting the automatic-upgrades stuff to breezy to get testing | 03:47 |
| mdz | so please be sure to work on it ahead of AutomaticUpgrades | 03:47 |
| mvo | right | 03:47 |
| mdz | mvo: sure, get it into -backports | 03:47 |
| mvo | thanks | 03:47 |
| mdz | and send a call for testing to an appropriate list | 03:47 |
| mvo | I'll be on dist-upgrades again | 03:47 |
| mdz | ok, thanks | 03:47 |
| mdz | Lathiat: want to give us a quick update on zeroconf_? | 03:48 |
| mvo | I send a request on ubuntuforums (after speaking with the backports team about a appropriate place) | 03:48 |
| mdz | Lathiat: is this something we're going to be able to do or not? | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | Well avahi is now approved for main | 03:49 |
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| Riddell | Lathiat: cool | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | default installation of avahi-daemon is not possible at this time, but libavahi-client can be installed without avahi-daemon | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | so programs like gnomevfs etc can be compiled with it | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | the zerocofn stuff will simply not work | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | that obviously needs testing to make sure those programs are doing the right thing and wont die because of it | 03:49 |
| mdz | ok, I see no reason not to start building in the support if it's in main now | 03:49 |
| Lathiat | but shoudl work in theory | 03:49 |
| pitti | Lathiat: s/at this time/not sensible because of our security policy/ | 03:50 |
| Lathiat | main reason not to start avahi-daemon is due to security/open ports policy | 03:50 |
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| mdz | the spec calls for avahi not to listen on the network by default | 03:50 |
| mdz | pitti: good point | 03:50 |
| seb128 | mdz: I've uploaded a gnome-vfs2 using avahi today, build wait on the actual promotion of the lib | 03:50 |
| Lathiat | mdz: which is easily doable by not installing avahi-daemon | 03:50 |
| mdz | Lathiat: let's talk about this another time in detail | 03:50 |
| mdz | need to keep moving | 03:51 |
| mdz | ogra_ibook: next | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | me ? | 03:51 |
| mdz | thanks mvo | 03:51 |
| Lathiat | ok | 03:51 |
| Lathiat | cheers | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * thin-client-sound: waiting for mdz to approve on return. | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * thin-client-local-devices: no progress. | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * thin-client-memory-usage: some more changes locally done and tested, patch to initramfs provided to infinity. | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * thin-client-faster-startup: speed up the first module loading through the above mentioned patch (http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/attachment.cgi?id=5494). | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * gnome-screensaver-default-image: will pick dummy images next week to finally have some package up, need to ping sabdfl again for his pics. | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * general: mostly donwe powerpc testing, dhcpd.conf changes for automatic bootimage selection are already up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/multiarch/, ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-kernels still need some work (yaboot and kernel stuff) for full powerpc support. gcompris 7.2 tests for edubntu. | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | * next week: testing the dhcpd change for compensating the new introduced --next-server option in ltsp, finish the changes on ltsp-build-client and the ltsp-client package for faster startup, multiarch (powerpc) and mem usage. dig for the reason of the nfs timeouts, gcompris 7.2 and xscreensaver merge. | 03:51 |
| Keybuk | Lathiat: can you push anything involving "ifconfig" past me first (ie. setting of an IP address on an interface which doesn't have one) as that'd need co-ordinating with udev and network-manager too | 03:51 |
| mdz | ogra_ibook: I reviewed faster-startup and added comments | 03:51 |
| ogra_ibook | yup i saw in one if my handfull of mails getting through | 03:51 |
| mdz | ogra_ibook: Keybuk is the approver for thin-client-sound; there's no reason it should have been blocked on me | 03:52 |
| mdz | that could have been taken care of while I was away | 03:52 |
| ogra_ibook | yu asked to approve it at ubz | 03:52 |
| ogra_ibook | its mainly implemented ahead of the spec already ... | 03:52 |
| mdz | I've said all I have to say on the sound spec since UBZ; it's Keybuk's | 03:53 |
| ogra_ibook | just missing the ltspsink... | 03:53 |
| ogra_ibook | oki | 03:53 |
| ogra_ibook | i'll reassign it | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | ping me tomorrow about it | 03:53 |
| ogra_ibook | yup | 03:53 |
| mdz | ok | 03:53 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:53 |
| mdz | pitti: next | 03:53 |
| Keybuk | where tommorow~=today after I've slept :p | 03:53 |
| pitti | last days before holidays: fix grave config file handling bugs in cupsys, PHP/kernel security update | 03:54 |
| pitti | general stuff this week: security updates, catch up with email and security review, did the overdue g-v-m update | 03:54 |
| pitti | gstreamer-audio-backend: implemented everything on our side; the libgnome audio events issue is still left, but that's an upstream thing | 03:54 |
| pitti | no progress on other specs, no blocks | 03:54 |
| pitti | plan next week: catch up with a load of pending security updates, try to implement the .server files part of langpacks-desktopfiles | 03:54 |
| mdz | ok | 03:54 |
| mdz | thanks | 03:54 |
| mdz | seb128: next | 03:54 |
| pitti | mdz: did you have a chance to look at the gstreamer status? | 03:54 |
| seb128 | dapper-desktop-plan: first version of the new session dialog uploaded | 03:54 |
| seb128 | video-playback: gstreamer0.10/gst-plugins-base0.10 updated to 0.10.1, rhythmbox/totem built with gst0.10 | 03:54 |
| seb128 | other: bug triage, GNOME 2.13.4 | 03:54 |
| seb128 | next-week: continue to catch up with bugzilla backlog, panel changes of dapper-desktop-plan, starting on gdm changes of dapper-desktop-plan | 03:54 |
| pitti | mdz: are you fine with setting it to implemented? | 03:54 |
| mdz | pitti: I'm not sure what the issues are; please email | 03:54 |
| pitti | mdz: ok | 03:55 |
| mdz | seb128: what about the other parts of dapper-desktop-plan? there is a lot there | 03:55 |
| seb128 | not that much, that's basically panel/applets change, I'll work on that next week | 03:55 |
| seb128 | and gdm changes which are next | 03:55 |
| mdz | gdm, logout button, battstat applet, etc. | 03:56 |
| seb128 | button/applets/... are what I listed as "panel changes" | 03:56 |
| mdz | I tried out totem-gstreamer with the latest stuff | 03:56 |
| mdz | A/V sync seems to still be poor | 03:56 |
| mdz | is that your experience as well? | 03:57 |
| seb128 | what audiosink do you use? | 03:57 |
| seb128 | it works quite fine for me | 03:57 |
| mdz | ALSA | 03:57 |
| seb128 | pitti: you played with that too, did you have some issue? | 03:58 |
| pitti | it works great for me | 03:58 |
| pitti | mdz: the default should now be autoaudiosink | 03:58 |
| dholbach | for me too | 03:58 |
| mdz | hmm, it works well with an mpeg I have, but not a vorbis/theora ogg | 03:58 |
| pitti | mdz: it uses esound if dmix doesn't work | 03:58 |
| mdz | maybe the ogg is broken, I'll look at it further | 03:58 |
| mdz | pitti: I probably changed it at some point | 03:58 |
| pitti | mdz: I didn't test with theora, I don't have a theora video here | 03:58 |
| mdz | seems unlikely that it's codec-specific, maybe a problem with the stream I tested with | 03:59 |
| pitti | mdz: gst 0.10 has its own gconf settings, btw | 03:59 |
| ogra_ibook | arent the ubz videos theora ? | 03:59 |
| mdz | yes | 03:59 |
| dholbach | http://videos.ubuntu.com/ubz/ | 03:59 |
| mdz | I was testing with Martijn's videos | 03:59 |
| mdz | anyway, something to look at offline | 03:59 |
| mdz | Riddell: next | 03:59 |
| Riddell | since last meeting: fixing kubuntu-system-tools, investigate CUPS 1.2 with KDE, investigate gstreamer 0.10 with KDE, daily CD testing | 03:59 |
| Riddell | this week: bugs fixing notably KDE xkb support, sudo wrapper, hopefully kubuntu-express partitioning tool, taking delivery of kubuntu breezy CDs and sending them out, KDE avahi support | 03:59 |
| Riddell | blocking: kubuntu-package-manager bounty needs response from mdz | 03:59 |
| Riddell | also interesting: KDE 3.5.1 scheduled for tagging jan 20th, 3.5.2 for tagging 17th march | 03:59 |
| mdz | Riddell: what's happening with kubuntu-roadmap-dapper? | 03:59 |
| Riddell | also interesting (for pitti): I expect one app in kubuntu main to have a release ported to qt 4 this week coming | 04:00 |
| mdz | that's a high-priority approved spec which didn't get an update last week either | 04:00 |
| pitti | yay library duplication :/ | 04:00 |
| Riddell | mdz: it what I do when I'm not doing anything else | 04:00 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: you probably want to start looking at http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/espresso/ubuntu/ | 04:01 |
| Riddell | mdz: most is done or in progress | 04:01 |
| mdz | Riddell: how much of it has been done so far? it needs to be included in your status updates | 04:01 |
| Kamion | (for kubuntu-express) | 04:01 |
| mdz | Riddell: please email an update to me and janew later today with details | 04:01 |
| seb128_ | hum, disconnect | 04:01 |
| seb128_ | anything after "<dholbach> http://videos.ubuntu.com/ubz/" ? | 04:01 |
| Riddell | mdz: ok | 04:01 |
| mdz | and find some time to chat with Kamion about kubuntu-express in more depth | 04:01 |
| Kamion | Riddell: (it'll be changing a lot, the user-setup stuff is much closer to how I want the final shape of it to be than anything else is at the moment) | 04:02 |
| dholbach | seb128_: I'll paste in a query | 04:02 |
| mdz | ok, we're out of time | 04:02 |
| mdz | thanks for staying up, europeans | 04:02 |
| ogra_ibook | heh | 04:02 |
| mdz | 0800 UTC next week, right? | 04:02 |
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| pitti | thanks everybody | 04:03 |
| mdz | good night | 04:03 |
| ogra_ibook | thanks | 04:03 |
| Keybuk | has anyone noticed the pattern means we have a 0200 UTC while we're ALL in the UK? :p | 04:03 |
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| mdz | Riddell: I don't have anything in my inbox from you; if you're waiting for a response from me on a bounty please resend | 04:03 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: Is that after the bars close? | 04:03 |
| Mithrandir | we can have it in a bar. | 04:03 |
| Mithrandir | or, rather, pub. | 04:04 |
| Riddell | mdz: ok, was from before christmas | 04:04 |
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| iwj | mdz: Did you want to talk about firefox now or in about 8h30 ? | 04:04 |
| mdz | it's possible that it got lost in the post-holiday shuffle | 04:04 |
| Kamion | jbailey: the UK just reformed its licensing laws to allow 24-hour licensing ... | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | jbailey: depends on the bar/pub now | 04:04 |
| ogra_ibook | Mithrandir, i think they close earlier | 04:04 |
| ogra_ibook | oh | 04:04 |
| ogra_ibook | cool | 04:04 |
| jbailey | Kamion, Keybuk: I don't see the problem with the meeting time, then. =) | 04:04 |
| mdz | iwj: more like 14h | 04:04 |
| Keybuk | anyway, back to bed | 04:05 |
| jbailey | g'n all. demain. | 04:05 |
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| doko | good night | 04:05 |
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| iwj | Fine by me. I'll be around until probably 1900UTC or so tomorrow so any time before then. Thanks. | 04:05 |
| pitti | night | 04:05 |
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| dholbach | good night everybody | 04:05 |
| iwj | Goodnight everyone. | 04:06 |
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| fabbione | yo | 05:13 |
| fabbione | so today i did the test for booting/installing on usb devices | 05:13 |
| fabbione | the installer itself works just fine | 05:14 |
| Kamion | (on x86 anyway ...) | 05:14 |
| fabbione | x86_64 | 05:14 |
| fabbione | but it's the only hw i could test in few hours | 05:14 |
| fabbione | the main isssue we have is the bootloader | 05:14 |
| fabbione | both grub-installer and lilo-installer are no no in this setup | 05:15 |
| fabbione | the problem is complex | 05:15 |
| fabbione | and it is related to the BIOS on which we are installing | 05:15 |
| fabbione | let me exaplain the details | 05:15 |
| fabbione | grub-installer by default search for the first disk the bios can see | 05:16 |
| fabbione | the one that's called hd(0,..) | 05:16 |
| mdz | right, they both need to know the BIOS drive number in order to load the next stage | 05:16 |
| fabbione | this disk is not necesseraly the one where we are installing | 05:16 |
| fabbione | for example i did a netinstall and hd(0 was my unremovable hda | 05:17 |
| mdz | but there are ways to make this work | 05:17 |
| mdz | there are howtos for making bootable USB keys with Linux | 05:17 |
| fabbione | mdz: it's not the only problem... | 05:17 |
| fabbione | now it is possible to workaround this first step using the grub-install --rescan (didn't check lilo) | 05:17 |
| fabbione | to find the map between the actual device where we are installing | 05:18 |
| fabbione | s/ between/of | 05:18 |
| fabbione | assuming we can automate this process | 05:18 |
| Kamion | there's conversion code in grub-installer to convert OS devices to the corresponding GRUB drives | 05:18 |
| Kamion | using that in the case of USB may help | 05:19 |
| fabbione | we need to write a first menu.list, that will install grub MBR to the proper device | 05:19 |
| fabbione | after that | 05:19 |
| fabbione | we need to write another config that will use hd(0,..( | 05:19 |
| fabbione | because when you do select from the BIOS to boot from USB | 05:19 |
| fabbione | the BIOS device mapping changes | 05:20 |
| Kamion | grub-installer already has to deal with that kind of issue for chaining to other bootloaders; I don't think this should be a big problem to solve | 05:20 |
| Kamion | ah, not with the BIOS device mapping changing though | 05:20 |
| fabbione | the problems i am thinking are: | 05:20 |
| fabbione | 1) upgrades of the MBR | 05:20 |
| Kamion | yes, that's rather messy to automate | 05:20 |
| fabbione | 2) are all the BIOS coherent? | 05:20 |
| mdz | there's always syslinux | 05:20 |
| fabbione | that means.. do they all change mapping? | 05:21 |
| fabbione | otherwise apart from usb-storage that was not modprobed at initramfs stage | 05:21 |
| fabbione | the boot does work | 05:21 |
| fabbione | (modulo changing root device that's part of probe-for-root) | 05:21 |
| fabbione | mdz: how can that help us? | 05:22 |
| fabbione | that means having a syslinux-installer/udeb set | 05:22 |
| fabbione | we also don't have a way to know: | 05:22 |
| === Keybuk knows why usb-storage doesn't load :D | ||
| fabbione | - is the user really asking to install the MBR on the removable device? or is it only installing there and wants the MBR on his real hd(0 ? | 05:23 |
| mdz | fabbione: syslinux doesn't need to know which drive it's on | 05:23 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ok! | 05:23 |
| mdz | if the user is installing to a USB device, we should install the boot loader there | 05:23 |
| Keybuk | we, err, don't probe for USB controllers | 05:23 |
| Kamion | fabbione: the latter is a corner case that can be handled by a low-priority question in the installer, much like the existing one in grub-installer | 05:23 |
| mdz | if they want something weird where the boot loader is on a different disk, they can do that manually | 05:24 |
| mdz | (or maybe in expert mode?) | 05:24 |
| Kamion | that's what expert mode's for | 05:24 |
| fabbione | mdz: i am not that sure.. really | 05:24 |
| mdz | I am quite sure about this | 05:24 |
| fabbione | in one of my install i was happy of the actual behaviour... | 05:24 |
| Kamion | every bug report I've ever got about USB installations going wrong wanted boot-from-USB as the default | 05:24 |
| Kamion | I'm with mdz here | 05:25 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:25 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: we will need to change that. otherwise this work becomes.. hmm pointless :) | 05:25 |
| Kamion | having to go to syslinux would be annoying, though, and a moderate amount of work | 05:25 |
| Kamion | you wouldn't have to have a syslinux-udeb though | 05:25 |
| Kamion | installing it in /target and running that would be fine | 05:26 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: yeah, think it was just an oversight ... just gotta figure out what they identify themselves as | 05:26 |
| mdz | Keybuk: we used to | 05:26 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok | 05:26 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, we did in breezy | 05:26 |
| fabbione | of course fixing the grub thing, should be relatively easy. it's question of re-iterating twice on the config | 05:27 |
| Kamion | that's not a problem, we already iterate twice | 05:27 |
| fabbione | Kamion: changing config at the end? | 05:27 |
| mdz | Keybuk: we should continue to do so; it's important for USB keyboards to work in early userspace e.g. | 05:27 |
| mdz | fabbione: I'm not so sure that fixing grub is easy | 05:28 |
| Kamion | oh, well, we don't run grub-install twice, but we do run update-grub after running grub-install | 05:28 |
| fabbione | mdz: we need to fix grub-installer, not grub itself | 05:28 |
| fabbione | and this is a special case | 05:28 |
| Kamion | you only need to make it generate the device.map first; not rocket science ... | 05:29 |
| fabbione | becasue the installer by default pass hd(0 or the closest to grub | 05:29 |
| mdz | my understanding is that grub has three chunks which are chained together | 05:29 |
| mdz | the first is a boot sector | 05:29 |
| mdz | then the filesystem code | 05:29 |
| mdz | then stage2 | 05:29 |
| mdz | stage1, stage1.5, stage2 | 05:29 |
| Kamion | my main request here is that we not attempt to change grub-installer's behaviour for hard disk installs | 05:29 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ohh that falls the donkey | 05:29 |
| Kamion | I don't want to risk exchanging bugs we know for unknown bugs with unknown impact | 05:29 |
| fabbione | because i did install on a usb hd | 05:30 |
| Kamion | fabbione: what? | 05:30 |
| Kamion | I mean for IDE/SCSI hard disks | 05:30 |
| fabbione | usb hd are seen as scsi | 05:30 |
| fabbione | you see sda | 05:30 |
| mdz | but you can tell the difference | 05:30 |
| fabbione | (or whatever) | 05:30 |
| mdz | this code should only come into play if the device is removable | 05:30 |
| mdz | /sys/block/sda/removable | 05:30 |
| fabbione | right.. that creates an exception :) | 05:30 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, it's a clear bug ... we deal with them when compiled into the kernel by the elmos of this world, I just clean forgot to probe them too | 05:30 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: add to your /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/udev script (probably in the BOOT=local bit, before the -Bpci line) something like: | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | /sbin/udevplug -Bpci -Iclass=0x0c* | 05:31 |
| Keybuk | or just modify the exiting -Bpci line to be -Iclass=0x0[1c] * | 05:32 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ok i will try.. testing that thing takes heaps load of time | 05:32 |
| mdz | why? | 05:33 |
| fabbione | Kamion: how familiar are you with grub-installer | 05:33 |
| Kamion | about 6 out of 10 | 05:33 |
| fabbione | mdz: this machine takes about 5 minutes to go trough POST | 05:33 |
| Kamion | it's one of the more difficult bits of code in d-i | 05:33 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok.. do you think we can look at it together? | 05:33 |
| Kamion | logically difficult, I mean | 05:33 |
| Kamion | sure | 05:33 |
| Kamion | not right now, but yeah | 05:33 |
| fabbione | i know it about 0/100 | 05:33 |
| fabbione | not right now.. no | 05:33 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok.. should we set a date and time to look at it? | 05:34 |
| fabbione | Kamion: i am relatively flexible with my schedule | 05:34 |
| fabbione | so i prefer to match your spare time | 05:34 |
| Kamion | let's just make it next week sometime, we'll sort it out on the fly | 05:34 |
| fabbione | spare as in i am not working as a slave 23h59m per day | 05:34 |
| Kamion | our hours are relatively compatible | 05:34 |
| fabbione | Kamion: works for me. | 05:34 |
| fabbione | thanks | 05:34 |
| fabbione | mdz: and this is the only box i have that can do boot from USB. sucks but that's how it works :) | 05:35 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: once we fix this boot loader problem | 05:35 |
| fabbione | we still have the issue with probe-for-root | 05:35 |
| fabbione | (and the other partitions) | 05:35 |
| Keybuk | "the issue" ? | 05:35 |
| fabbione | last time we did talk you mentioned problems with IDE | 05:35 |
| fabbione | "the issue" as in not implemented yet | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | where does IDE come into it? | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | I wager nobody with IDE cares about probe-for-root ;) | 05:36 |
| Keybuk | it's useful for SCSI, SATA, USB, IEEE1394, et. al. | 05:37 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: well i remember you saying something about it. I would have to recheck the irc logs to be sure | 05:37 |
| fabbione | but i think the case was: | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | yeah, you can't use root=/dev/disk/ if it's an IDE disk on a generic (non-PCI) controller | 05:37 |
| fabbione | install on usb and move the hd into an IDE system | 05:37 |
| fabbione | or something like that | 05:37 |
| fabbione | ok, what was the reason for that? | 05:37 |
| Keybuk | because we don't know to load ide-generic | 05:37 |
| mdz | we can expect the user to fix the bootloader and even the initramfs in that situation | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | because there's nothing to tell us it's an IDE disk | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | and we can't load ide-generic unconditionally, because it breaks things | 05:38 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: ok.. | 05:38 |
| fabbione | make sense.. | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | mostly mdz's laptop, in fact ;) | 05:38 |
| fabbione | ehhee | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | and ogra's, but I care about him less <g> | 05:38 |
| fabbione | AHAHHA | 05:38 |
| mdz | ide_generic is loaded on my laptop currently and it is working OK | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | (actually, slightly more seriously, it pretty much breaks every machine with a SATA controller and makes them unbootable) | 05:38 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, it's loaded after we've loaded the right module | 05:39 |
| mdz | right | 05:39 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | on SATA machines, it's especially important that we make damned sure the driver has loaded and claimed the devices before we load ide-generic | 05:39 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: i will need to grab your fu for the probe-for-root. We need to be sure to get it hutterly right from the beginning. | 05:39 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: do you think you can allocate time for that? | 05:39 |
| ogra_ibook | err, it works for me too, but i told you already | 05:39 |
| Keybuk | which means an >3 minute wait | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | ogra_ibook: that's, because, I, fixed, it ;P | 05:40 |
| ogra_ibook | :P | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | fabbione: sure | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | is easy-peasey | 05:40 |
| fabbione | Kamion: what would be the best place to change fstab and concept of root device before writing the MBR? | 05:40 |
| Keybuk | I wrote the udev stuff for it a few weeks ago, and is already in dapper | 05:40 |
| fabbione | Keybuk: yeps.. i saw the /dev/disk/by-* and tested it. | 05:40 |
| fabbione | so that's known to work. | 05:41 |
| fabbione | slamming it in d-i might be slightly more tricky :P | 05:41 |
| Kamion | fabbione: fstab> partman-target | 05:41 |
| Kamion | or thereabouts | 05:41 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok thanks.. | 05:41 |
| === fabbione sighs at partman again | ||
| Kamion | fabbione: root device depends on the bootloader | 05:41 |
| Kamion | partman writes the fstab, you're not getting away from that | 05:42 |
| fabbione | yes... | 05:42 |
| fabbione | i know | 05:42 |
| Kamion | and the fstab-writing code is really easy | 05:42 |
| fabbione | ok perfect.. | 05:42 |
| fabbione | i am relatively familiar with partman | 05:42 |
| fabbione | so that should be a plus | 05:42 |
| Kamion | it's a load of fstab.d scripts that print fragments for each mountpoint, and a few scripts in partman-target that pull it all together | 05:42 |
| fabbione | great | 05:43 |
| fabbione | ok i think i got all the answers i was looking for | 05:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: i think we might be able to get most of it sorted before i will go in holidays.. | 05:43 |
| fabbione | mdz: but that means slowing down -server. | 05:44 |
| mdz | fabbione: ok, let me see if someone else can take it over | 05:44 |
| fabbione | ok | 05:45 |
| Keybuk | if I can get networking out of the way, I have some free cycles | 05:45 |
| fabbione | probably it would be enough if somebody can take of one of the 2 | 05:45 |
| fabbione | i should be manage to do the other | 05:45 |
| mdz | Keybuk: are you watching ubuntu-bugs for boot stuff? I don't have the cycles right now to be the Great Big Bug Sorting Machine | 05:46 |
| fabbione | (my wife is going awat sunday *hint* *hint*) | 05:46 |
| Keybuk | mdz: yeah, I'm trying to get back up to speed with ubuntu-bugs, but I do surf it most days | 05:46 |
| mdz | (at least the new bugs) | 05:47 |
| Keybuk | yeah, it's the hysterical ones over crimbo that I'm behind on | 05:47 |
| fabbione | thanks a lot guys for your time | 05:51 |
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