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| divansantana | hello, Can some one tell me if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology rather?? | 12:03 |
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| fabbione | divansantana: you want to ask that to #edubuntu | 12:05 |
| fabbione | LTSP is not handled by -server | 12:05 |
| divansantana | fabbione: ok thank u | 12:05 |
| spike | divansantana: I'm not really sure I'd compare the 2 things | 12:05 |
| spike | divansantana: u can use latter to accomplish almost the same that with LTSP, but definitely the two things have different goals | 12:06 |
| spike | hi fabbione | 12:07 |
| fabbione | hey spike | 12:07 |
| divansantana | Spkie: can u let me know a little more of your thougts on that? | 12:07 |
| divansantana | I want to setup a terminal server the easiest way and must perform well. | 12:07 |
| spike | divansantana: well, the more I try to compare the two, the less I can see how they're related. what's ur point in saying "if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology"? | 12:10 |
| spike | divansantana: NX tech, are we talking of freeNX, NoMachine NX free client, and the like, arent we? | 12:11 |
| spike | divansantana: when u firstly asked, I thought of how u could move all the computing costs on centralized machine and access it from low powered box with FreeNX client | 12:12 |
| spike | in a linux terminal way so | 12:12 |
| spike | is it that? | 12:12 |
| divansantana | spike: Yes thats is the idea I had. Perhaps bootable linux cds with nxclients connecting to nxserver. | 12:13 |
| divansantana | spike: I just need to understand adv and disadv of ltsp vs freenx etc for my terminal server project | 12:14 |
| spike | divansantana: the point is freenx isnt meant for terminal like projects, that's what I'm saying. evidently the mistake is possible, I just did it thinking like that, but if it's someway tempting it's technically wrong. | 12:16 |
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| spike | divansantana: ltsp actually gives u the framework to boot and manage clients in a centralized and nice fashion. nx wont give anything of that | 12:17 |
| divansantana | ahh! OK, thanks for the help! Will prob go LTSP way rather! | 12:18 |
| divansantana | spike: One last question, what is easy way to keep uptodate network of ubuntu machines, apt-proxy or apt-cacher or something else? Do you or anyone have ideas on this | 12:19 |
| spike | personally I had a few issues with apt-proxy in mixed environments | 12:20 |
| divansantana | But does it do the job decently? I just want to do in for 1 LAN. | 12:22 |
| spike | divansantana: also, since at that time I was running squid, I simply had use of that. it's a very good proxy, works pretty good, and offers me more control, so I'm happy with that solution. but it's definitely overkill and wrong to get that just for pkts caching | 12:22 |
| spike | divansantana: decently, yes | 12:23 |
| divansantana | speaking of squid it should cache by default all the .debs of its clients? I could maybe just use that. | 12:25 |
| spike | divansantana: not by default because the maxfilesize set isnt big enough to allow most of the debs to be stored | 12:27 |
| divansantana | spike: Ok but I normally set that quite large. Then there is no real reason to use apt-proxy if you have squid on LAN :D (hopefully) | 12:28 |
| spike | divansantana: and u better have a couple of specific filter to allow such "big" filesize only for special domain and file extensions (so deb mirrors and .deb extensions) | 12:28 |
| spike | divansantana: not really. | 12:29 |
| divansantana | yeah good tip! | 12:30 |
| spike | grrrr | 12:33 |
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| Fish | Hi everyone, where can I go to find out what versions of packages Ubuntu Server ships? I.E. Samba | 05:10 |
| spike | Fish: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ | 05:11 |
| spike | keep in mind that current is breezy, dapper is devel | 05:11 |
| Fish | Thanks spike. | 05:14 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages lis | ||
| spike | eer | 05:15 |
| spike | fabbione: does it happen u're there? | 05:15 |
| spike | or ajmitch | 05:15 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | ||
| Fish | So Samba on Ubuntu Breezy (The Desktop) is the same on Ubuntu Server? Is Server version kinda like the Kubuntu version? | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | spike: yes why? | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | Fish: yes | 05:16 |
| spike | Fish: Cool things will come with dapper, Stable ubuntu server is same as desktop version | 05:17 |
| spike | ajmitch: I'd liked to add the packages.ubuntu.com link in topic, thought that was useful, but ran out of space. So was about to ask u guys if u had any prob moving urls to tinyurl and using U.S. instead of writing Ubuntu Server all the times | 05:18 |
| spike | guess a shorter topic wouldnt hurt anyway, more readable | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | not up to me :) | 05:18 |
| spike | what? | 05:18 |
| spike | to decide? | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | tinyurl might be good though | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | yes, not my channel | 05:18 |
| spike | oh, k, saw u were the last one updating the topic | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | that was just fixing a typo, iirc | 05:19 |
| spike | yeah, cdimages/cdimage iirc | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | but I doubt fabbione would mind using tinyurl | 05:19 |
| spike | ok, I'll go on then and drop him a line | 05:19 |
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| Fish | Thanks Spike, what could I search for on the Wiki to find the new features in Ubuntu Dapper Server | 05:20 |
| Fish | ? | 05:20 |
| spike | u dont search the wiki for that | 05:20 |
| spike | Fish: look at the chan topic | 05:20 |
| spike | there's a page with the Specs | 05:20 |
| spike | u can start from there and follow the links | 05:20 |
| Fish | Heh, thanks :-) | 05:21 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | U. S. (stable) at http://tinyurl.com/b3jek | U. S. (Devel) at http://tinyurl.com/cllfu | U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b | U. S. forums at http://tinyurl.com/b77qg | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages list: http://packages.ubuntu.com | ||
| spike | night all | 05:30 |
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| ubijtsa | moin moin | 10:35 |
| fabbione | morning | 10:36 |
| klorie | hello | 10:36 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: I believe I am reading the interview with you on ossblog.it :) | 10:36 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: that's about right :) | 10:36 |
| ubijtsa | so you reckon there will be a Ubuntu for PDA's? | 10:37 |
| thom | fabbione: i really think you ought to add that fantastic interview to the topic | 10:38 |
| === ubijtsa would like that... A lot, if a Tungsten T|3 was supported :) | ||
| fabbione | ubijtsa: i can't say for sure.. i really meant what i said in the interview | 10:38 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: naturally, or you would not have said it :) | 10:38 |
| fabbione | thom: eheh fantastic is a relative concept due to the translation they did :( | 10:38 |
| fabbione | thom: but welcome to do add it :P | 10:39 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: :) | 10:39 |
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| klorie | re-hello | 10:43 |
| === ubijtsa thinks it a good thing the lists have calmed down a bit after the last couple weeks heated debate | ||
| fabbione | ubijtsa: ? | 10:45 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: the MTA issue? :) | 10:45 |
| fabbione | regarding what subject | 10:45 |
| fabbione | on what list? | 10:45 |
| ubijtsa | ubuntu-user.. | 10:45 |
| ubijtsa | I am ashamed to admit I added to that noise.. | 10:46 |
| fabbione | oh | 10:46 |
| ubijtsa | then there was the uim/scim debate on the devel list | 10:46 |
| fabbione | too high traffic for me | 10:46 |
| === ubijtsa just skimms the topics for the interesting ones.. | ||
| klorie | i don't know if it's the proper channel to talk about this: what is the proper procedure about upgrading a "server" hoary install to breezy ? e.g. without installing ubuntu-desktop before doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 10:49 |
| visik7 | klorie: I think that an apt-get dist-upgrade is enough | 10:49 |
| ubijtsa | so what is currently happening in ubuntu-server land? | 10:51 |
| klorie | visik7 - ok, thanks. After reading breezy upgrade notes an breezy upgrade topics in ubuntu forums i suspect the upgrading procedure to depend on specific desktop packages. | 10:51 |
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| ubijtsa | dist-upgrade should be enough as it will only update installed packages (and pre/co-reqs) | 10:52 |
| ubijtsa | do 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' first, and check what it wants to do | 10:52 |
| klorie | thanks ubijtsa, i will check this. | 10:53 |
| ubijtsa | np | 10:54 |
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| ubijtsa | would it be possible, albeit not advisable, to dist-upgrade from debian sarge to breezy server? | 11:04 |
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| GheRivero | hi everyone | 11:39 |
| ubijtsa | lo GheRivero | 11:40 |
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| GheRivero | one question, from the spec, the issue to keep etc under bzr, is it bzr or bzr-ng? | 11:46 |
| Nafallo | bzr is baz-ng and baz isn't bzr :-) | 11:54 |
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| GheRivero | ok! thx, now i will not mix them again! | 11:58 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 12:01 |
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| quatebriga | hello ? | 12:11 |
| tepsipakki | GheRivero: still testing/using NFSv4?-) | 12:12 |
| GheRivero | yes, of course... no big problems at the moments... | 12:13 |
| tepsipakki | are you using krb5 with it? | 12:13 |
| GheRivero | yes, krb5, that's the only thing i want properly working :) | 12:13 |
| GheRivero | integrate evythingthing with SSO | 12:14 |
| tepsipakki | with AD? | 12:14 |
| GheRivero | AD mainly, cause we use it at my university... | 12:14 |
| GheRivero | but also with plain mit kerberos + ldap | 12:14 |
| GheRivero | and who nows, maybe Fedora directory some day | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | ok. we have both AD and "UNIX-AD" | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | and fierce battles because of that.. | 12:15 |
| GheRivero | UNIX-AD? which one are you using? | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | OpenLDAP and MIT Kerberos, but the krb-part is not yet up-and-running | 12:16 |
| tepsipakki | but hopefully next week | 12:16 |
| GheRivero | we use AD as a LDAP, without kerberos at the moment :/ | 12:17 |
| tepsipakki | anyway, do you think that libgssapi/librpcsecgss should be pushed for dapper?-) | 12:18 |
| tepsipakki | because atm nfs4-support still needs hand-built packages | 12:18 |
| GheRivero | i hope!!! | 12:18 |
| GheRivero | anyway, i just discover this team, finally! (it's being almost 1 year since the first rumours i heard) | 12:20 |
| GheRivero | so i plan to push a lot of things throught it | 12:20 |
| tepsipakki | ubuntu-server? | 12:20 |
| GheRivero | yeah | 12:21 |
| tepsipakki | well, it was announced a month ago, I think ;) | 12:21 |
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| tepsipakki | just ran newpynfs against a netapp-server on dapper. 578 tests; 13 skipped, 169 failed, 20 warned, 376 passed | 12:23 |
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| spike | 'morning | 01:45 |
| Pygi | mornin' | 01:45 |
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| E0x | morning | 02:18 |
| spike | mornin E0x | 02:25 |
| segfault | what do i have to do to join the server team? | 02:42 |
| spike | segfault: impress 'em :) | 02:43 |
| segfault | yeah, i'll just try to figure out how... | 02:43 |
| spike | I tried dancing, but it didnt work | 02:44 |
| spike | segfault: guess contributing to dapper stuff is the esiet and most interesting way since u're here | 02:44 |
| spike | segfault: there're quite a few things on the specs page that need to be done, and *many* more will as soon as it gets released | 02:45 |
| spike | segfault: the first release will probably contain less than half of the things that would be nice to have in, so lots of work is waiting all of us | 02:45 |
| spike | guess u'll have ur chance to impress 'em | 02:45 |
| segfault | sure | 02:47 |
| === ubijtsa would love to have spare time to volounteer to help with this and that | ||
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| ubijtsa | wb fabbione | 02:54 |
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| nocturn | Hi all | 02:55 |
| nocturn | Can I upgrade my Hoary server to Ubuntu-server 5.10? | 02:55 |
| fabbione | nocturn: yes | 02:56 |
| spike | nocturn: sure u can | 02:56 |
| fabbione | same way as you do any other upgrade | 02:56 |
| spike | hi fabbione | 02:56 |
| nocturn | Will this not get me standard Breezy? | 02:56 |
| fabbione | hey spike | 02:56 |
| nocturn | I'm specificly interested in the server-specific kernels. | 02:57 |
| fabbione | nocturn: there are no specific kernel for server in breezy | 02:57 |
| fabbione | they will land with dapper | 02:57 |
| nocturn | So, the images here http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | 02:58 |
| nocturn | are similar to the breezy install with the server parameter? | 02:59 |
| E0x | why ubuntu-server is 386 compile | 03:01 |
| fabbione | nocturn: yes that's right | 03:01 |
| spike | nocturn: exactly | 03:01 |
| E0x | a 686 compile will be nice | 03:01 |
| spike | E0x: u can easily get the 686 kernel, it's there | 03:02 |
| nocturn | There is some confusion about this on the forums. | 03:02 |
| spike | just apt-get it and reboot | 03:02 |
| E0x | spike but is not just the kernel | 03:02 |
| fabbione | E0x: not this again... | 03:02 |
| E0x | the packages too | 03:02 |
| nocturn | Somone posted from the announcement: * Includes server-oriented kernels with out-of-the-box | 03:02 |
| spike | eeer, doh | 03:02 |
| fabbione | there will never be 686 packages. | 03:02 |
| E0x | fabbione i dont want start a war us asking | 03:03 |
| nocturn | and Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and | 03:03 |
| fabbione | it buys nothing for a lot of more problems | 03:03 |
| E0x | ok | 03:03 |
| === spike remembers the huge flame on debian lists | ||
| spike | :) | 03:03 |
| spike | iirc it coincided with gentoo getting popular *g* | 03:04 |
| fabbione | E0x: the clear example is gentoo/debian benchmarking.. same box, same apps.. clearly different build. debian was faster on all the apps that have been tested. | 03:04 |
| spike | ehehe | 03:04 |
| E0x | fabbione i dont believe in beachmark that make another ppl | 03:04 |
| E0x | i believe that i see | 03:04 |
| fabbione | nocturn: yes, note that the announce has been done after the breezy release, to explain what will happen. | 03:04 |
| E0x | with my own eyes | 03:05 |
| ubijtsa | kernel compiled to a specific cpu matters more on sparc | 03:05 |
| fabbione | E0x: eyes aren't objective | 03:05 |
| nocturn | fabbione: thanks for clarifying, I will post this info on the forum. | 03:05 |
| nocturn | And I'm looking forward to the Dapper server edition... | 03:05 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: no wrong. it matters on all arches but only to gain benefits in some corner cases | 03:05 |
| nocturn | Hoping that the Kerberos integration gets in... | 03:05 |
| spike | eew, SSO | 03:06 |
| nocturn | eew? | 03:06 |
| spike | onomatopoeia :) | 03:07 |
| spike | like muttering | 03:07 |
| nocturn | spike: I take it you don't like SSO? | 03:07 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: on x86 (ia32) you get benefit from including support for MMX/SSE if you do lots of floating point work.. | 03:07 |
| spike | nocturn: I do love it, but only thinking of it gives me an headache :) | 03:07 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: not only. There are schedulers, highmem, numa, bigfatnuma and other stuff you can tune. | 03:08 |
| spike | nocturn: kerberos + AFS + ldap + samba is marvellous, just a pain to properly setup | 03:08 |
| nocturn | spike: yes, on Linux it is still hard to do, and Windows only does it the wrong way. | 03:08 |
| ubijtsa | most people would never know the difference between 386 and k7 kernel for their word processing and websurfing | 03:08 |
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| nocturn | I've gotten as far as Kerberos with pam_krb5 and cyrus_sasl to my imap server | 03:09 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: very true, but most of that is available independent of kernel being optimised for 386 or 686 | 03:09 |
| nocturn | AFS would be nice to do... I checked if it was possible to have Samba with Kerberos for Linux2Linux, but no dice | 03:09 |
| E0x | hey fabbione you the same guy of the osnews interview ? | 03:10 |
| spike | nocturn: I mentioned that for windows domain authing actually | 03:10 |
| fabbione | E0x: yes | 03:10 |
| maswan | spike: we do kerberos + AFS + ldap and no samba btw | 03:10 |
| E0x | fabbione cool | 03:10 |
| spike | maswan: cool. how big is the network? | 03:10 |
| maswan | spike: three clusters of about 100-200 machines each, a handful of workstations and a bunch of servers | 03:11 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: the dapper server image, will it have something like XEN available, or is that targeted for Dapper+1 ? | 03:11 |
| nocturn | spike: I thought you still needed a Windows AD PDC though | 03:12 |
| spike | maswan: I assume u've got AFS caching servers on top of each of those cluster, eh? how is that working? | 03:12 |
| nocturn | maswan: Whas the AFS setup hard? | 03:12 |
| maswan | spike: huh? not really, I think | 03:12 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: if somebody will volunteer to integrate XEN, probably.. | 03:12 |
| maswan | nocturn: Yeah, fairly. The lack of usable documentation was a big problem back when we first did the setup. | 03:13 |
| === spike would love to | ||
| === ubijtsa realises he will need more hardware at home... | ||
| maswan | spike: the compute clusters have local scratch filesystems that are curently nfs but we're working on moving them to lustre | 03:13 |
| spike | AFS got the biggest man I've ever seen... | 03:14 |
| spike | only the administrator manual is 864 fskcing pages... unbelievable | 03:14 |
| spike | and then u got a few other mans, included the user one which is about 400 pages maybe, can't remember exactly | 03:14 |
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| ubijtsa | fabbione: has anyone done any sizing of XEN integration work yet, or is it just an item on a huge todo list still? :) | 03:14 |
| maswan | spike: client setup these days is farily easy though | 03:15 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa: several attemps, all failed. XEN upstream is too slow for us | 03:15 |
| nocturn | maswan: I figured so, I have looked at it for a smaller setup, but it seems complicated | 03:15 |
| maswan | spike: even if the habit of kerberos-related tools to give utter crap for error messages is somewhat annoying | 03:15 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: so ubuntu would need to bypass debian upstream and go straight to source for any integration work, or is it the source itself that is to slow? | 03:16 |
| spike | fabbione: uh, what does that mean? XEN upstream too slow? 2.2 wont cleanly integrate with dapper stuff? I don't get the prob | 03:16 |
| fabbione | ubijtsa, spike: for hoary and breezy, while we were at kernel 2.6.foo | 03:17 |
| fabbione | XEN upstream was at least 2 major releases behind | 03:17 |
| fabbione | that means that it is almost impossible to ingrate with our kernel | 03:17 |
| fabbione | if not using a XEN development branch | 03:17 |
| ubijtsa | ah, so the XEN team don't produce patches for recent kernels.. | 03:17 |
| ubijtsa | I c | 03:17 |
| fabbione | that i don't think anybody want to put in production on servers for 5 years | 03:17 |
| spike | fabbione: I don't believe so. I'm working on 3.0 and it's .12 | 03:18 |
| ubijtsa | so there would be loads of work 'forwardporting' XEN into ubuntu kernels.. | 03:18 |
| fabbione | spike: yes, and kernel.org/dapper is .15 | 03:18 |
| spike | and on the ML they were talking about moving to .14... just talking :/ | 03:18 |
| spike | blah | 03:18 |
| spike | I c | 03:18 |
| fabbione | spike: in their development tree they are at .14, probably .15 | 03:18 |
| fabbione | but the issue is that there is the requirement of: | 03:19 |
| fabbione | - hypervisor | 03:19 |
| fabbione | - kernel | 03:19 |
| fabbione | - userland | 03:19 |
| fabbione | all in sync | 03:19 |
| fabbione | and again.. you don't want it from a devel branch for production servers | 03:19 |
| spike | indeed | 03:19 |
| fabbione | anyway i need to go offline from IRC for a bit | 03:20 |
| spike | well, I reckong that one might accept to run an host with an older kernel, with a few assumptions that may work | 03:20 |
| spike | c ya | 03:20 |
| spike | ok | 03:20 |
| fabbione | cya | 03:20 |
| ubijtsa | fabbione: cya | 03:20 |
| === spike should go painting too | ||
| spike | need to finish this room and buy stuff... moving is always a pain :/ | 03:21 |
| spike | bbl | 03:21 |
| nocturn | I'm going too, thanks again for the help | 03:21 |
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| yogi | should the dapper server kernel (currently 2.6.15-11) run on a PIII machine? | 04:49 |
| yogi | I get oopses right at boot with both .15-10 and .15-11 | 04:49 |
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| E0x | somebody have a nice howto about Redundant Internet Connections | 05:07 |
| E0x | ? | 05:07 |
| neuralis | E0x: please explain what you mean? | 05:09 |
| E0x | 2 internet conecction and one network , balance the access to internet | 05:10 |
| E0x | between the 2 internet conecction and if one fail still work the internet in the network | 05:11 |
| segfault | e0x: lart.org | 05:29 |
| segfault | e0x: lartg.org | 05:29 |
| E0x | Firefox can't find the server at www.lartg.org. | 05:29 |
| segfault | oops, http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html | 05:31 |
| segfault | or maybe: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9384/sam0201h/ | 05:33 |
| segfault | right to the point | 05:33 |
| E0x | thx | 05:49 |
| E0x | that articule in samag is old i saw it | 05:50 |
| E0x | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html | 05:50 |
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| Runix | hi | 05:56 |
| Pygi | hi | 05:56 |
| Runix | i'm ubuntu user | 05:56 |
| Runix | i'm italian | 05:56 |
| E0x | http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt | 05:57 |
| Pygi | Runix: and how may we help you? | 05:57 |
| Runix | do you speak italian? | 05:58 |
| Pygi | no, but #ubuntu-it does | 05:58 |
| Runix | i know | 05:58 |
| Runix | but i would like to say thank to Mark Shuttleworth | 05:58 |
| Pygi | oh, he might be in #ubuntu-devel, but I higly doubt | 05:59 |
| Runix | he enter in this chanel too | 05:59 |
| Runix | i know | 05:59 |
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| Pygi | wb matt | 07:09 |
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| ubijtsa2 | re-hi | 09:51 |
| spike | re-wb | 09:52 |
| ubijtsa2 | spike: ta :) | 09:52 |
| spike | :) | 09:52 |
| spike | ubijtsa2: where are u based in uk? | 09:52 |
| ubijtsa2 | spike: Farnborough (near the M3, Basingstoke/Bracknell/Guildford area) | 09:53 |
| === ubijtsa2 has just completed the update of spamassassin through CPAN (Breezy is lagging a bit, v2.64 vs v3.1.0) | ||
| ubijtsa2 | and I now have 2.6.15 proper installed and running... | 09:56 |
| spike | ubijtsa2: close enough for some geek talking and a beer then :) | 09:57 |
| ubijtsa2 | heh, where are you then? :) | 09:57 |
| spike | ubijtsa: down of m23, brighton | 09:58 |
| ubijtsa2 | compared to most in here, that is close, but it's still a fair drive :) | 10:00 |
| ubijtsa2 | been to brighton a few times.. through work a couple times back in 97 and most recently in 01 I think, meeting up with a mate from .se when he was over here | 10:01 |
| spike | ubijtsa2: well, ~30 mins with southern, not too bad | 10:01 |
| ubijtsa2 | from Farnborough? | 10:02 |
| ubijtsa2 | It's probably 1h30 at least by car.. | 10:02 |
| spike | isnt it. say 40 actually | 10:02 |
| spike | eh? | 10:02 |
| spike | it's ~45 to london actually, thought it was a bit closer than that, so... | 10:03 |
| ubijtsa2 | To get to Brighton, I'd go up M3 to M25, then down the M23/A23.. it M25 is clear, and Gatwick isn't busy, it might only take 1h10 domn | 10:04 |
| ubijtsa2 | down even | 10:04 |
| ubijtsa2 | Might be trains via Guildford down that way, but I don't know for sure :) | 10:05 |
| spike | well, whatever, when/if u have the time and fancy it, just ping me, I'm around, can come up or the other way around | 10:05 |
| ubijtsa2 | okidoki :) | 10:06 |
| spike | actually I got to travel and look around a bit anyway, so guess I'll come up. how's Farnborough? | 10:07 |
| ubijtsa2 | well, it's alright, not the place if you want to go clubbing, but it's alright to live in :) | 10:08 |
| === spike does more pubbing than clubbing | ||
| spike | *g* | 10:08 |
| ubijtsa2 | Aldershot is just around the corner, so heavy concentration of military personel | 10:08 |
| spike | ewwww, that sux, not the place for me then | 10:09 |
| ubijtsa2 | no idea what the pubs are like around here, I've lived here for 3 years, and never been to one :) | 10:09 |
| spike | ahaha | 10:09 |
| spike | u don't drink beer? I'd be astonished :) | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa2 | I tend to get some nice cognac or islay in, and enjoy it with a good book :) | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa2 | I'm partial to a good Guinness tho' :) | 10:10 |
| spike | oh, that then. I c, good choice :) | 10:10 |
| spike | well, is there any other beer worth drinking? ;) | 10:10 |
| ubijtsa2 | heh, of the lagers, carling and irish harp are alright | 10:11 |
| spike | naaah :) | 10:11 |
| spike | btw, I'm not english , just in case :) | 10:11 |
| ubijtsa2 | when I go visit the relatives in .se, I drink pear cider or lapinkulta | 10:12 |
| spike | oooh, /me love .se | 10:12 |
| spike | in brighton there's a .se club actually :) | 10:12 |
| ubijtsa2 | really? | 10:16 |
| spike | yep | 10:16 |
| spike | u're from .se? | 10:16 |
| ubijtsa2 | aye | 10:16 |
| spike | cool :D | 10:16 |
| ubijtsa2 | been living in .uk for 9+ years tho | 10:16 |
| ubijtsa2 | :) | 10:16 |
| spike | uhm, don't know sweden that well, but I wouldnt see any reason to live in any other place :) | 10:17 |
| spike | but a woman :) | 10:17 |
| ubijtsa2 | uuuuhm, you lost me :) | 10:17 |
| spike | ubijtsa2: I wouldnt want to move if I were based in sweden :), that's damned great country | 10:18 |
| spike | as all the scandinavian ones :) | 10:19 |
| ubijtsa2 | .se is a nice place, yeah. I'd like to wove back one day, but have to have work lined up and all that | 10:19 |
| ubijtsa2 | move even | 10:19 |
| spike | what about job opportunities up there? | 10:21 |
| ubijtsa2 | up here, or in .se ? | 10:21 |
| spike | here the situation looks like dead, and I quickly need to find job uk based... currency exchange with euro is killing me | 10:21 |
| spike | up there | 10:21 |
| ubijtsa2 | I work up in Aylesbury for McAfee | 10:22 |
| spike | ah, wow | 10:22 |
| ubijtsa2 | I have a 110 miles round trip every day for work | 10:22 |
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| ubijtsa2 | There is RedHat in Guildford, Novell in Bracknell... | 10:22 |
| ubijtsa2 | 110 miles = 175km | 10:23 |
| ubijtsa2 | are you looking at jobserve.com for jobs? lots of permanent and contract work advertised on there | 10:23 |
| spike | ubijtsa2: havent been able to find much that doest sux | 10:26 |
| spike | if I have to do the cabling I can work in a pub and have more fun | 10:27 |
| ubijtsa2 | hehe | 10:27 |
| Unfun | Where is Bracknell? | 10:27 |
| ubijtsa2 | Unfun: not far from the M4, south of Reading sort of | 10:28 |
| ubijtsa2 | spike: go to http://www.jobserve.com/Job-Search.aspx?id=11&industry=IT%2bJobs and see if they have anything (if it is IT jobs you are after) | 10:28 |
| Unfun | How is the job market in the UK? | 10:30 |
| Unfun | For IT | 10:30 |
| Unfun | For IT | 10:30 |
| Unfun | woops | 10:30 |
| spike | looks sucky to me, they say it's getting better, tho | 10:31 |
| ubijtsa2 | job market isn't that bad.. depends what skills you have | 10:31 |
| ubijtsa2 | my contract with IBM expired Oct 1st '04, and I didn't get a job until 31st Jan '05, but I have broader skills to less depth than others.. | 10:33 |
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| ubijtsa2 | also, I am a weird mix. QA, SysAdm and Build.. :) | 10:33 |
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| spike | hey, actually that page isnt bad :) | 10:34 |
| spike | tnx ubijtsa2 | 10:34 |
| ubijtsa2 | oh, and I won't work with Windows.. | 10:34 |
| ubijtsa2 | spike: np | 10:34 |
| spike | I just got 100 clients and 20 2003 server for xmas... | 10:34 |
| ubijtsa2 | hehe | 10:35 |
| Unfun | 100 clients? | 10:35 |
| spike | been windoze free for like 4 years | 10:35 |
| spike | small Lan of 100 XP clients | 10:35 |
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| Unfun | are you a one man show? | 10:36 |
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| spike | Unfun: uh, that was for me? | 10:38 |
| Unfun | yea | 10:39 |
| spike | Unfun: we were just talking of windows free, and I signed for a new job in 2006 and have to babysit that network... | 10:39 |
| spike | I fail to see what's up with what show | 10:39 |
| Unfun | I meant do you manage all of those systems by yourself. | 10:39 |
| spike | Unfun: I'll have to until march, then they said they're gonna bring in another guy so I can focus on servers | 10:41 |
| spike | Unfun: what's wrong with it? | 10:41 |
| Unfun | Nothing, just curious to see how many people you have managing 100 clients | 10:42 |
| spike | the guy I'm taking the place of did that for quite long, the whole architecture is automatized,so not a big deal | 10:42 |
| spike | that's the point of automation, 1 or 1000 it doesnt matter | 10:42 |
| Unfun | Totally, 1 person can manage 1 system or 1,000 with automation | 10:43 |
| polvi | we have 4 people managing around 100 systems | 10:44 |
| polvi | automation here and there | 10:44 |
| spike | well, me alone isnt enough imho, to do things fine | 10:44 |
| Unfun | But you have the power of automation! | 10:44 |
| spike | I'll hope they'll keep the promise and bring that guy in | 10:44 |
| Unfun | We have around 100 servers and 60 clients. | 10:45 |
| Unfun | 2 people here. | 10:45 |
| polvi | spike: where do you work? | 10:46 |
| spike | polvi: italy so far | 10:47 |
| spike | polvi: it's a tech company related to an italian region, so they do stuff for local public administration etc | 10:48 |
| polvi | cool | 10:49 |
| polvi | using ubuntu-server? | 10:49 |
| polvi | :) | 10:49 |
| spike | it's not bad, but I'd like a job in uk | 10:49 |
| spike | polvi: have some debian machines yet, but won't convert 'em before dapper | 10:50 |
| spike | new boxes got ubuntu-server of course :) | 10:50 |
| spike | gonna grab a kebab, c ya later | 10:53 |
| dfgas | ok, here is my deal. i have 2 nics in my server. 1 nic (eth1) is for my lan and eth0 is for my dsl. well i am using ppp0 to connect to the internet. it is using eth0 but eth0 is also using dhcp to get an IP which it shouldn't be, how do i fix cause i am having problems on sometimes it is having connection issues but everyone on the lan works just fine | 11:07 |
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| spike | dfgas: I dont really see why u should have issues because of that, but in case edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the part where it says iface eth0 inet dhcp | 11:50 |
| spike | dfgas: leaving just the line auto eth0, that should be next to that one, will bring up the card at boot time without configurin it in any way | 11:51 |
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