[12:03] <divansantana> hello, Can some one tell me if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology rather??
[12:05] <fabbione> divansantana: you want to ask that to #edubuntu
[12:05] <fabbione> LTSP is not handled by -server
[12:05] <divansantana> fabbione: ok thank u
[12:05] <spike> divansantana: I'm not really sure I'd compare the 2 things
[12:06] <spike> divansantana: u can use latter to accomplish almost the same that with LTSP, but definitely the two things have different goals
[12:07] <spike> hi fabbione
[12:07] <fabbione> hey spike
[12:07] <divansantana> Spkie: can u let me know a little more of your thougts on that?
[12:07] <divansantana> I want to setup a terminal server the easiest way and must perform well.
[12:10] <spike> divansantana: well, the more I try to compare the two, the less I can see how they're related. what's ur point in saying "if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology"?
[12:11] <spike> divansantana: NX tech, are we talking of freeNX, NoMachine NX free client, and the like, arent we?
[12:12] <spike> divansantana: when u firstly asked, I thought of how u could move all the computing costs on centralized machine and access it from low powered box with FreeNX client
[12:12] <spike> in a linux terminal way so
[12:12] <spike> is it that?
[12:13] <divansantana> spike: Yes thats is the idea I had. Perhaps bootable linux cds with nxclients connecting to nxserver.
[12:14] <divansantana> spike: I just need to understand adv and disadv of ltsp vs freenx etc for my terminal server project
[12:16] <spike> divansantana: the point is freenx isnt meant for terminal like projects, that's what I'm saying. evidently the mistake is possible, I just did it thinking like that, but if it's someway tempting it's technically wrong.
[12:17] <spike> divansantana: ltsp actually gives u the framework to boot and manage clients in a centralized and nice fashion. nx wont give anything of that
[12:18] <divansantana> ahh! OK, thanks for the help! Will prob go LTSP way rather!
[12:19] <divansantana> spike: One last question, what is easy way to keep uptodate network of ubuntu machines, apt-proxy or apt-cacher or something else? Do you or anyone have ideas on this
[12:20] <spike> personally I had a few issues with apt-proxy in mixed environments
[12:22] <divansantana> But does it do the job decently? I just want to do in for 1 LAN.
[12:22] <spike> divansantana: also, since at that time I was running squid, I simply had use of that. it's a very good proxy, works pretty good, and offers me more control, so I'm happy with that solution. but it's definitely overkill and wrong to get that just for pkts caching
[12:23] <spike> divansantana: decently, yes
[12:25] <divansantana> speaking of squid it should cache by default all the .debs of its clients? I could maybe just use that.
[12:27] <spike> divansantana: not by default because the maxfilesize set isnt big enough to allow most of the debs to be stored
[12:28] <divansantana> spike: Ok but I normally set that quite large. Then there is no real reason to use apt-proxy if you have squid on LAN :D (hopefully)
[12:28] <spike> divansantana: and u better have a couple of specific filter to allow such "big" filesize only for special domain and file extensions (so deb mirrors and .deb extensions)
[12:29] <spike> divansantana: not really.
[12:30] <divansantana> yeah good tip!
[12:33] <spike> grrrr
[05:10] <Fish> Hi everyone, where can I go to find out what versions of packages Ubuntu Server ships? I.E. Samba
[05:11] <spike> Fish: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[05:11] <spike> keep in mind that current is breezy, dapper is devel
[05:14] <Fish> Thanks spike.
[05:15] <spike> eer
[05:15] <spike> fabbione: does it happen u're there?
[05:15] <spike> or ajmitch
[05:16] <Fish> So Samba on Ubuntu Breezy (The Desktop) is the same on Ubuntu Server? Is Server version kinda like the Kubuntu version?
[05:16] <ajmitch> spike: yes why?
[05:16] <ajmitch> Fish: yes
[05:17] <spike> Fish: Cool things will come with dapper, Stable ubuntu server is same as desktop version
[05:18] <spike> ajmitch: I'd liked to add the packages.ubuntu.com link in topic, thought that was useful, but ran out of space. So was about to ask u guys if u had any prob moving urls to tinyurl and using U.S. instead of writing Ubuntu Server all the times
[05:18] <spike> guess a shorter topic wouldnt hurt anyway, more readable
[05:18] <ajmitch> not up to me :)
[05:18] <spike> what?
[05:18] <spike> to decide?
[05:18] <ajmitch> tinyurl might be good though
[05:18] <ajmitch> yes, not my channel
[05:19] <spike> oh, k, saw u were the last one updating the topic
[05:19] <ajmitch> that was just fixing a typo, iirc
[05:19] <spike> yeah, cdimages/cdimage iirc
[05:19] <ajmitch> but I doubt fabbione would mind using tinyurl
[05:19] <spike> ok, I'll go on then and drop him a line
[05:20] <Fish> Thanks Spike, what could I search for on the Wiki to find the new features in Ubuntu Dapper Server
[05:20] <Fish> ?
[05:20] <spike> u dont search the wiki for that
[05:20] <spike> Fish: look at the chan topic
[05:20] <spike> there's a page with the Specs
[05:20] <spike> u can start from there and follow the links
[05:21] <Fish> Heh, thanks :-)
[05:30] <spike> night all
[10:35] <ubijtsa> moin moin
[10:36] <fabbione> morning
[10:36] <klorie> hello
[10:36] <ubijtsa> fabbione: I believe I am reading the interview with you on ossblog.it :)
[10:36] <fabbione> ubijtsa: that's about right :)
[10:37] <ubijtsa> so you reckon there will be a Ubuntu for PDA's?
[10:38] <thom> fabbione: i really think you ought to add that fantastic interview to the topic
[10:38] <fabbione> ubijtsa: i can't say for sure.. i really meant what i said in the interview
[10:38] <ubijtsa> fabbione: naturally, or you would not have said it :)
[10:38] <fabbione> thom: eheh fantastic is a relative concept due to the translation they did :(
[10:39] <fabbione> thom: but welcome to do add it :P
[10:39] <fabbione> ubijtsa: :)
[10:43] <klorie> re-hello
[10:45] <fabbione> ubijtsa: ?
[10:45] <ubijtsa> fabbione: the MTA issue? :)
[10:45] <fabbione> regarding what subject
[10:45] <fabbione> on what list?
[10:45] <ubijtsa> ubuntu-user..
[10:46] <ubijtsa> I am ashamed to admit I added to that noise..
[10:46] <fabbione> oh
[10:46] <ubijtsa> then there was the uim/scim debate on the devel list
[10:46] <fabbione> too high traffic for me
[10:49] <klorie> i don't know if it's the proper channel to talk about this: what is the proper procedure about upgrading a "server" hoary install to breezy ? e.g. without installing ubuntu-desktop before doing apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[10:49] <visik7> klorie: I think that an apt-get dist-upgrade is enough
[10:51] <ubijtsa> so what is currently happening in ubuntu-server land?
[10:51] <klorie> visik7 - ok, thanks. After reading breezy upgrade notes an breezy upgrade topics in ubuntu forums i suspect the upgrading procedure to depend on specific desktop packages.
[10:52] <ubijtsa> dist-upgrade should be enough as it will only update installed packages (and pre/co-reqs)
[10:52] <ubijtsa> do 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' first, and check what it wants to do
[10:53] <klorie> thanks ubijtsa, i will check this.
[10:54] <ubijtsa> np
[11:04] <ubijtsa> would it be possible, albeit not advisable, to dist-upgrade from debian sarge to breezy server?
[11:39] <GheRivero> hi everyone
[11:40] <ubijtsa> lo GheRivero
[11:46] <GheRivero> one question, from the spec, the issue to keep etc under bzr, is it bzr or bzr-ng?
[11:54] <Nafallo> bzr is baz-ng and baz isn't bzr :-)
[11:58] <GheRivero> ok! thx, now i will not mix them again!
[12:01] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:11] <quatebriga> hello ?
[12:12] <tepsipakki> GheRivero: still testing/using NFSv4?-)
[12:13] <GheRivero> yes, of course... no big problems at the moments...
[12:13] <tepsipakki> are you using krb5 with it?
[12:13] <GheRivero> yes, krb5, that's the only thing i want properly working :)
[12:14] <GheRivero> integrate evythingthing with SSO
[12:14] <tepsipakki> with AD?
[12:14] <GheRivero> AD mainly, cause we use it at my university...
[12:14] <GheRivero> but also with plain mit kerberos + ldap
[12:15] <GheRivero> and who nows, maybe Fedora directory some day
[12:15] <tepsipakki> ok. we have both AD and "UNIX-AD"
[12:15] <tepsipakki> and fierce battles because of that..
[12:15] <GheRivero> UNIX-AD? which one are you using?
[12:16] <tepsipakki> OpenLDAP and MIT Kerberos, but the krb-part is not yet up-and-running
[12:16] <tepsipakki> but hopefully next week
[12:17] <GheRivero> we use AD as a LDAP, without kerberos at the moment :/
[12:18] <tepsipakki> anyway, do you think that libgssapi/librpcsecgss should be pushed for dapper?-)
[12:18] <tepsipakki> because atm nfs4-support still needs hand-built packages
[12:18] <GheRivero> i hope!!!
[12:20] <GheRivero> anyway, i just discover this team, finally! (it's being almost 1 year since the first rumours i heard)
[12:20] <GheRivero> so i plan to push a lot of things throught it
[12:20] <tepsipakki> ubuntu-server?
[12:21] <GheRivero> yeah
[12:21] <tepsipakki> well, it was announced a month ago, I think ;)
[12:23] <tepsipakki> just ran newpynfs against a netapp-server on dapper. 578 tests; 13 skipped, 169 failed, 20 warned, 376 passed
[01:45] <spike> 'morning
[01:45] <Pygi> mornin'
[02:18] <E0x> morning
[02:25] <spike> mornin E0x
[02:42] <segfault> what do i have to do to join the server team?
[02:43] <spike> segfault: impress 'em :)
[02:43] <segfault> yeah, i'll just try to figure out how...
[02:44] <spike> I tried dancing, but it didnt work
[02:44] <spike> segfault: guess contributing to dapper stuff is the esiet and most interesting way since u're here
[02:45] <spike> segfault: there're quite a few things on the specs page that need to be done, and *many* more will as soon as it gets released
[02:45] <spike> segfault: the first release will probably contain less than half of the things that would be nice to have in, so lots of work is waiting all of us
[02:45] <spike> guess u'll have ur chance to impress 'em
[02:47] <segfault> sure
[02:54] <ubijtsa> wb fabbione
[02:55] <nocturn> Hi all
[02:55] <nocturn> Can I upgrade my Hoary server to Ubuntu-server 5.10?
[02:56] <fabbione> nocturn: yes
[02:56] <spike> nocturn: sure u can
[02:56] <fabbione> same way as you do any other upgrade
[02:56] <spike> hi fabbione
[02:56] <nocturn> Will this not get me standard Breezy?
[02:56] <fabbione> hey spike
[02:57] <nocturn> I'm specificly interested in the server-specific kernels.
[02:57] <fabbione> nocturn: there are no specific kernel for server in breezy
[02:57] <fabbione> they will land with dapper
[02:58] <nocturn> So, the images here http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/
[02:59] <nocturn> are similar to the breezy install with the server parameter?
[03:01] <E0x> why ubuntu-server is 386 compile
[03:01] <fabbione> nocturn: yes that's right
[03:01] <spike> nocturn: exactly
[03:01] <E0x> a 686 compile will be nice
[03:02] <spike> E0x: u can easily get the 686 kernel, it's there
[03:02] <nocturn> There is some confusion about this on the forums.
[03:02] <spike> just apt-get it and reboot
[03:02] <E0x> spike but is not just the kernel
[03:02] <fabbione> E0x: not this again...
[03:02] <E0x> the packages too
[03:02] <nocturn> Somone posted from the announcement: * Includes server-oriented kernels with out-of-the-box
[03:02] <spike> eeer, doh
[03:02] <fabbione> there will never be 686 packages.
[03:03] <E0x> fabbione  i dont want start a war us asking
[03:03] <nocturn> and Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and
[03:03] <fabbione> it buys nothing for a lot of more problems
[03:03] <E0x> ok
[03:03] <spike> :)
[03:04] <spike> iirc it coincided with gentoo getting popular *g*
[03:04] <fabbione> E0x: the clear example is gentoo/debian benchmarking.. same box, same apps.. clearly different build. debian was faster on all the apps that have been tested.
[03:04] <spike> ehehe
[03:04] <E0x> fabbione i dont believe in beachmark that make another ppl
[03:04] <E0x> i believe that i see
[03:04] <fabbione> nocturn: yes, note that the announce has been done after the breezy release, to explain what will happen.
[03:05] <E0x> with my own eyes
[03:05] <ubijtsa> kernel compiled to a specific cpu matters more on sparc
[03:05] <fabbione> E0x: eyes aren't objective
[03:05] <nocturn> fabbione: thanks for clarifying, I will post this info on the forum.
[03:05] <nocturn> And I'm looking forward to the Dapper server edition...
[03:05] <fabbione> ubijtsa: no wrong. it matters on all arches but only to gain benefits in some corner cases
[03:05] <nocturn> Hoping that the Kerberos integration gets in...
[03:06] <spike> eew, SSO
[03:06] <nocturn> eew?
[03:07] <spike> onomatopoeia :)
[03:07] <spike> like muttering
[03:07] <nocturn> spike: I take it you don't like SSO?
[03:07] <ubijtsa> fabbione: on x86 (ia32) you get benefit from including support for MMX/SSE if you do lots of floating point work..
[03:07] <spike> nocturn: I do love it, but only thinking of it gives me an headache :)
[03:08] <fabbione> ubijtsa: not only. There are schedulers, highmem, numa, bigfatnuma and other stuff you can tune.
[03:08] <spike> nocturn: kerberos + AFS + ldap + samba is marvellous, just a pain to properly setup
[03:08] <nocturn> spike: yes, on Linux it is still hard to do, and Windows only does it the wrong way.
[03:08] <ubijtsa> most people would never know the difference between 386 and k7 kernel for their word processing and websurfing
[03:09] <nocturn> I've gotten as far as Kerberos with pam_krb5 and cyrus_sasl to my imap server
[03:09] <ubijtsa> fabbione: very true, but most of that is available independent of kernel being optimised for 386 or 686
[03:09] <nocturn> AFS would be nice to do...  I checked if it was possible to have Samba with Kerberos for Linux2Linux, but no dice
[03:10] <E0x> hey fabbione you the same guy of the osnews interview ?
[03:10] <spike> nocturn: I mentioned that for windows domain authing actually
[03:10] <fabbione> E0x: yes
[03:10] <maswan> spike: we do kerberos + AFS + ldap and no samba btw
[03:10] <E0x> fabbione cool
[03:10] <spike> maswan: cool. how big is the network?
[03:11] <maswan> spike: three clusters of about 100-200 machines each, a handful of workstations and a bunch of servers
[03:11] <ubijtsa> fabbione: the dapper server image, will it have something like XEN available, or is that targeted for Dapper+1 ?
[03:12] <nocturn> spike: I thought you still needed a Windows AD PDC though
[03:12] <spike> maswan: I assume u've got AFS caching servers on top of each of those cluster, eh? how is that working?
[03:12] <nocturn> maswan: Whas the AFS setup hard?
[03:12] <maswan> spike: huh? not really, I think
[03:12] <fabbione> ubijtsa: if somebody will volunteer to integrate XEN, probably..
[03:13] <maswan> nocturn: Yeah, fairly. The lack of usable documentation was a big problem back when we first did the setup.
[03:13] <maswan> spike: the compute clusters have local scratch filesystems that are curently nfs but we're working on moving them to lustre
[03:14] <spike> AFS got the biggest man I've ever seen...
[03:14] <spike> only the administrator manual is 864 fskcing pages... unbelievable
[03:14] <spike> and then u got a few other mans, included the user one which is about 400 pages maybe, can't remember exactly
[03:14] <ubijtsa> fabbione: has anyone done any sizing of XEN integration work yet, or is it just an item on a huge todo list still? :)
[03:15] <maswan> spike: client setup these days is farily easy though
[03:15] <fabbione> ubijtsa: several attemps, all failed. XEN upstream is too slow for us
[03:15] <nocturn> maswan: I figured so, I have looked at it for a smaller setup, but it seems complicated
[03:15] <maswan> spike: even if the habit of kerberos-related tools to give utter crap for error messages is somewhat annoying
[03:16] <ubijtsa> fabbione: so ubuntu would need to bypass debian upstream and go straight to source for any integration work, or is it the source itself that is to slow?
[03:16] <spike> fabbione: uh, what does that mean? XEN upstream too slow? 2.2 wont cleanly integrate with dapper stuff? I don't get the prob
[03:17] <fabbione> ubijtsa, spike: for hoary and breezy, while we were at kernel 2.6.foo
[03:17] <fabbione> XEN upstream was at least 2 major releases behind
[03:17] <fabbione> that means that it is almost impossible to ingrate with our kernel
[03:17] <fabbione> if not using a XEN development branch
[03:17] <ubijtsa> ah, so the XEN team don't produce patches for recent kernels..
[03:17] <ubijtsa> I c
[03:17] <fabbione> that i don't think anybody want to put in production on servers for 5 years
[03:18] <spike> fabbione: I don't believe so. I'm working on 3.0 and it's .12
[03:18] <ubijtsa> so there would be loads of work 'forwardporting' XEN into ubuntu kernels..
[03:18] <fabbione> spike: yes, and kernel.org/dapper is .15
[03:18] <spike> and on the ML they were talking about moving to .14... just talking :/
[03:18] <spike> blah
[03:18] <spike> I c
[03:18] <fabbione> spike: in their development tree they are at .14, probably .15
[03:19] <fabbione> but the issue is that there is the requirement of:
[03:19] <fabbione> - hypervisor
[03:19] <fabbione> - kernel
[03:19] <fabbione> - userland
[03:19] <fabbione> all in sync
[03:19] <fabbione> and again.. you don't want it from a devel branch for production servers
[03:19] <spike> indeed
[03:20] <fabbione> anyway i need to go offline from IRC for a bit
[03:20] <spike> well, I reckong that one might accept to run an host with an older kernel, with a few assumptions that may work
[03:20] <spike> c ya
[03:20] <spike> ok
[03:20] <fabbione> cya
[03:20] <ubijtsa> fabbione: cya
[03:21] <spike> need to finish this room and buy stuff... moving is always a pain :/
[03:21] <spike> bbl
[03:21] <nocturn> I'm going too, thanks again for the help
[04:49] <yogi> should the dapper server kernel (currently 2.6.15-11) run on a PIII machine?
[04:49] <yogi> I get oopses right at boot with both .15-10 and .15-11
[05:07] <E0x> somebody have a nice howto about Redundant Internet Connections
[05:07] <E0x> ?
[05:09] <neuralis> E0x: please explain what you mean?
[05:10] <E0x> 2 internet  conecction and one network , balance the access to  internet
[05:11] <E0x> between the 2 internet conecction and if one fail still work the internet in the network
[05:29] <segfault> e0x: lart.org
[05:29] <segfault> e0x: lartg.org
[05:29] <E0x> Firefox can't find the server at www.lartg.org.
[05:31] <segfault> oops, http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html
[05:33] <segfault> or maybe: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9384/sam0201h/
[05:33] <segfault> right to the point
[05:49] <E0x> thx
[05:50] <E0x> that articule in  samag is old i saw it
[05:50] <E0x> http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html
[05:56] <Runix> hi
[05:56] <Pygi> hi
[05:56] <Runix> i'm ubuntu user
[05:56] <Runix> i'm italian
[05:57] <E0x> http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt
[05:57] <Pygi> Runix: and how may we help you?
[05:58] <Runix> do you speak italian?
[05:58] <Pygi> no, but #ubuntu-it does
[05:58] <Runix> i know
[05:58] <Runix> but i would like to say thank to Mark Shuttleworth
[05:59] <Pygi> oh, he might be in #ubuntu-devel, but I higly doubt
[05:59] <Runix> he enter in this chanel too
[05:59] <Runix> i know
[07:09] <Pygi> wb matt
[09:51] <ubijtsa2> re-hi
[09:52] <spike> re-wb
[09:52] <ubijtsa2> spike: ta :)
[09:52] <spike> :)
[09:52] <spike> ubijtsa2: where are u based in uk?
[09:53] <ubijtsa2> spike: Farnborough (near the M3, Basingstoke/Bracknell/Guildford area)
[09:56] <ubijtsa2> and I now have 2.6.15 proper installed and running...
[09:57] <spike> ubijtsa2: close enough for some geek talking and a beer then :)
[09:57] <ubijtsa2> heh, where are you then? :)
[09:58] <spike> ubijtsa: down of m23, brighton
[10:00] <ubijtsa2> compared to most in here, that is close, but it's still a fair drive :)
[10:01] <ubijtsa2> been to brighton a few times.. through work a couple times back in 97 and most recently in 01 I think, meeting up with a mate from .se when he was over here
[10:01] <spike> ubijtsa2: well, ~30 mins with southern, not too bad
[10:02] <ubijtsa2> from Farnborough?
[10:02] <ubijtsa2> It's probably 1h30 at least by car..
[10:02] <spike> isnt it. say 40 actually
[10:02] <spike> eh?
[10:03] <spike> it's ~45 to london actually, thought it was a bit closer than that, so...
[10:04] <ubijtsa2> To get to Brighton, I'd go up M3 to M25, then down the M23/A23.. it M25 is clear, and Gatwick isn't busy, it might only take 1h10 domn
[10:04] <ubijtsa2> down even
[10:05] <ubijtsa2> Might be trains via Guildford down that way, but I don't know for sure :)
[10:05] <spike> well, whatever, when/if u have the time and fancy it, just ping me, I'm around, can come up or the other way around
[10:06] <ubijtsa2> okidoki :)
[10:07] <spike> actually I got to travel and look around a bit anyway, so guess I'll come up. how's Farnborough?
[10:08] <ubijtsa2> well, it's alright, not the place if you want to go clubbing, but it's alright to live in :)
[10:08] <spike> *g*
[10:08] <ubijtsa2> Aldershot is just around the corner, so heavy concentration of military personel
[10:09] <spike> ewwww, that sux, not the place for me then
[10:09] <ubijtsa2> no idea what the pubs are like around here, I've lived here for 3 years, and never been to one :)
[10:09] <spike> ahaha
[10:10] <spike> u don't drink beer? I'd be astonished :)
[10:10] <ubijtsa2> I tend to get some nice cognac or islay in, and enjoy it with a good book :)
[10:10] <ubijtsa2> I'm partial to a good Guinness tho' :)
[10:10] <spike> oh, that then. I c, good choice :)
[10:10] <spike> well, is there any other beer worth drinking? ;)
[10:11] <ubijtsa2> heh, of the lagers, carling and irish harp are alright
[10:11] <spike> naaah :)
[10:11] <spike> btw, I'm not english , just in case :)
[10:12] <ubijtsa2> when I go visit the relatives in .se, I drink pear cider or lapinkulta
[10:12] <spike> oooh, /me love .se
[10:12] <spike> in brighton there's a .se club actually :)
[10:16] <ubijtsa2> really?
[10:16] <spike> yep
[10:16] <spike> u're from .se?
[10:16] <ubijtsa2> aye
[10:16] <spike> cool :D
[10:16] <ubijtsa2> been living in .uk for 9+ years tho
[10:16] <ubijtsa2> :)
[10:17] <spike> uhm, don't know sweden that well, but I wouldnt see any reason to live in any other place :)
[10:17] <spike> but a woman :)
[10:17] <ubijtsa2> uuuuhm, you lost me :)
[10:18] <spike> ubijtsa2: I wouldnt want to move if I were based in sweden :), that's damned great country
[10:19] <spike> as all the scandinavian ones :)
[10:19] <ubijtsa2> .se is a nice place, yeah. I'd like to wove back one day, but have to have work lined up and all that
[10:19] <ubijtsa2> move even
[10:21] <spike> what about job opportunities up there?
[10:21] <ubijtsa2> up here, or in .se ?
[10:21] <spike> here the situation looks like dead, and I quickly need to find  job uk based... currency exchange with euro is killing me
[10:21] <spike> up there
[10:22] <ubijtsa2> I work up in Aylesbury for McAfee
[10:22] <spike> ah, wow
[10:22] <ubijtsa2> I have a 110 miles round trip every day for work
[10:22] <ubijtsa2> There is RedHat in Guildford, Novell in Bracknell...
[10:23] <ubijtsa2> 110 miles = 175km
[10:23] <ubijtsa2> are you looking at jobserve.com for jobs? lots of permanent and contract work advertised on there
[10:26] <spike> ubijtsa2: havent been able to find much that doest sux
[10:27] <spike> if I have to do the cabling I can work in a pub and have more fun
[10:27] <ubijtsa2> hehe
[10:27] <Unfun> Where is Bracknell?
[10:28] <ubijtsa2> Unfun: not far from the M4, south of Reading sort of
[10:28] <ubijtsa2> spike: go to http://www.jobserve.com/Job-Search.aspx?id=11&industry=IT%2bJobs and see if they have anything (if it is IT jobs you are after)
[10:30] <Unfun> How is the job market in the UK?
[10:30] <Unfun> For IT
[10:30] <Unfun> For IT
[10:30] <Unfun> woops
[10:31] <spike> looks sucky to me, they say it's getting better, tho
[10:31] <ubijtsa2> job market isn't that bad.. depends what skills you have
[10:33] <ubijtsa2> my contract with IBM expired Oct 1st '04, and I didn't get a job until 31st Jan '05, but I have broader skills to less depth than others..
[10:33] <ubijtsa2> also, I am a weird mix. QA, SysAdm and Build.. :)
[10:34] <spike> hey, actually that page isnt bad :)
[10:34] <spike> tnx ubijtsa2
[10:34] <ubijtsa2> oh, and I won't work with Windows..
[10:34] <ubijtsa2> spike: np
[10:34] <spike> I just got 100 clients and 20 2003 server for xmas...
[10:35] <ubijtsa2> hehe
[10:35] <Unfun> 100 clients?
[10:35] <spike> been windoze free for like 4 years
[10:35] <spike> small Lan of 100 XP clients
[10:36] <Unfun> are you a one man show?
[10:38] <spike> Unfun: uh, that was for me?
[10:39] <Unfun> yea
[10:39] <spike> Unfun: we were just talking of windows free, and I signed for a new job in 2006 and have to babysit that network...
[10:39] <spike> I fail to see what's up with what show
[10:39] <Unfun> I meant do you manage all of those systems by yourself.
[10:41] <spike> Unfun: I'll have to until march, then they said they're gonna bring in another guy so I can focus on servers
[10:41] <spike> Unfun: what's wrong with it?
[10:42] <Unfun> Nothing, just curious to see how many people you have managing 100 clients
[10:42] <spike> the guy I'm taking the place of did that for quite long, the whole architecture is automatized,so not a big deal
[10:42] <spike> that's the point of automation, 1 or 1000 it doesnt matter
[10:43] <Unfun> Totally, 1 person can manage 1 system or 1,000 with automation
[10:44] <polvi> we have 4 people managing around 100 systems
[10:44] <polvi> automation here and there
[10:44] <spike> well, me alone isnt enough imho, to do things fine
[10:44] <Unfun> But you have the power of automation!
[10:44] <spike> I'll hope they'll keep the promise and bring that guy in
[10:45] <Unfun> We have around 100 servers and 60 clients.
[10:45] <Unfun> 2 people here.
[10:46] <polvi> spike: where do you work?
[10:47] <spike> polvi: italy so far
[10:48] <spike> polvi: it's a tech company related to an italian region, so they do stuff for local public administration etc
[10:49] <polvi> cool
[10:49] <polvi> using ubuntu-server?
[10:49] <polvi> :)
[10:49] <spike> it's not bad, but I'd like a job in uk
[10:50] <spike> polvi: have some debian machines yet, but won't convert 'em before dapper
[10:50] <spike> new boxes got ubuntu-server of course :)
[10:53] <spike> gonna grab a kebab, c ya later
[11:07] <dfgas> ok, here is my deal. i have 2 nics in my server. 1 nic (eth1) is for my lan and eth0 is for my dsl. well i am using ppp0 to connect to the internet. it is using eth0 but eth0 is also using dhcp to get an IP which it shouldn't be, how do i fix cause i am having problems on sometimes it is having connection issues but everyone on the lan works just fine
[11:50] <spike> dfgas: I dont really see why u should have issues because of that, but in case edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the part where it says iface eth0 inet dhcp
[11:51] <spike> dfgas: leaving just the line auto eth0, that should be next to that one, will bring up the card at boot time without configurin it in any way