=== divansantana [n=divan@wbs-196-2-112-66.wbs.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:03] hello, Can some one tell me if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology rather?? [12:05] divansantana: you want to ask that to #edubuntu [12:05] LTSP is not handled by -server [12:05] fabbione: ok thank u [12:05] divansantana: I'm not really sure I'd compare the 2 things [12:06] divansantana: u can use latter to accomplish almost the same that with LTSP, but definitely the two things have different goals [12:07] hi fabbione [12:07] hey spike [12:07] Spkie: can u let me know a little more of your thougts on that? [12:07] I want to setup a terminal server the easiest way and must perform well. [12:10] divansantana: well, the more I try to compare the two, the less I can see how they're related. what's ur point in saying "if the Linux terminal server project is worth looking at when you have NX technology"? [12:11] divansantana: NX tech, are we talking of freeNX, NoMachine NX free client, and the like, arent we? [12:12] divansantana: when u firstly asked, I thought of how u could move all the computing costs on centralized machine and access it from low powered box with FreeNX client [12:12] in a linux terminal way so [12:12] is it that? [12:13] spike: Yes thats is the idea I had. Perhaps bootable linux cds with nxclients connecting to nxserver. [12:14] spike: I just need to understand adv and disadv of ltsp vs freenx etc for my terminal server project [12:16] divansantana: the point is freenx isnt meant for terminal like projects, that's what I'm saying. evidently the mistake is possible, I just did it thinking like that, but if it's someway tempting it's technically wrong. === mipe [n=michael@157-11-124-83.dsl.3u.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] [12:17] divansantana: ltsp actually gives u the framework to boot and manage clients in a centralized and nice fashion. nx wont give anything of that [12:18] ahh! OK, thanks for the help! Will prob go LTSP way rather! [12:19] spike: One last question, what is easy way to keep uptodate network of ubuntu machines, apt-proxy or apt-cacher or something else? Do you or anyone have ideas on this [12:20] personally I had a few issues with apt-proxy in mixed environments [12:22] But does it do the job decently? I just want to do in for 1 LAN. [12:22] divansantana: also, since at that time I was running squid, I simply had use of that. it's a very good proxy, works pretty good, and offers me more control, so I'm happy with that solution. but it's definitely overkill and wrong to get that just for pkts caching [12:23] divansantana: decently, yes [12:25] speaking of squid it should cache by default all the .debs of its clients? I could maybe just use that. [12:27] divansantana: not by default because the maxfilesize set isnt big enough to allow most of the debs to be stored [12:28] spike: Ok but I normally set that quite large. Then there is no real reason to use apt-proxy if you have squid on LAN :D (hopefully) [12:28] divansantana: and u better have a couple of specific filter to allow such "big" filesize only for special domain and file extensions (so deb mirrors and .deb extensions) [12:29] divansantana: not really. [12:30] yeah good tip! [12:33] grrrr === spike swears @ cisco === scandium [n=scandium@116-57-124-83.dsl.3u.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === divansantana [n=divan@wbs-196-2-112-66.wbs.co.za] has left #ubuntu-server ["Konversation] === JulienH [i=kvirc@jem75-2-82-233-232-223.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Unfun [n=Unfun@c-24-5-74-223.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Fish [n=topf@c-24-22-198-178.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:10] Hi everyone, where can I go to find out what versions of packages Ubuntu Server ships? I.E. Samba [05:11] Fish: http://packages.ubuntu.com/ [05:11] keep in mind that current is breezy, dapper is devel [05:14] Thanks spike. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages lis [05:15] eer [05:15] fabbione: does it happen u're there? [05:15] or ajmitch === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | Ubuntu Server (stable) at http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ | Ubuntu Server (Devel) at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ | Ubuntu Server dapper specs: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-server/+specs | Ubuntu Server forums at http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=45 | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running [05:16] So Samba on Ubuntu Breezy (The Desktop) is the same on Ubuntu Server? Is Server version kinda like the Kubuntu version? [05:16] spike: yes why? [05:16] Fish: yes [05:17] Fish: Cool things will come with dapper, Stable ubuntu server is same as desktop version [05:18] ajmitch: I'd liked to add the packages.ubuntu.com link in topic, thought that was useful, but ran out of space. So was about to ask u guys if u had any prob moving urls to tinyurl and using U.S. instead of writing Ubuntu Server all the times [05:18] guess a shorter topic wouldnt hurt anyway, more readable [05:18] not up to me :) [05:18] what? [05:18] to decide? [05:18] tinyurl might be good though [05:18] yes, not my channel [05:19] oh, k, saw u were the last one updating the topic [05:19] that was just fixing a typo, iirc [05:19] yeah, cdimages/cdimage iirc [05:19] but I doubt fabbione would mind using tinyurl [05:19] ok, I'll go on then and drop him a line === spike needs some sleep [05:20] Thanks Spike, what could I search for on the Wiki to find the new features in Ubuntu Dapper Server [05:20] ? [05:20] u dont search the wiki for that [05:20] Fish: look at the chan topic [05:20] there's a page with the Specs [05:20] u can start from there and follow the links [05:21] Heh, thanks :-) === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ..[topic/#ubuntu-server:spike] : ubuntu-server discussions and support | for general support see #ubuntu | U. S. (stable) at http://tinyurl.com/b3jek | U. S. (Devel) at http://tinyurl.com/cllfu | U. S. dapper specs: http://tinyurl.com/aen9b | U. S. forums at http://tinyurl.com/b77qg | ubuntu-server@lists.u.c is up and running | searchable packages list: http://packages.ubuntu.com [05:30] night all === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.93.236] has joined #ubuntu-server === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server === quatebriga [n=icechat5@mail.planet-optika.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === blue-frog [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #ubuntu-server === visik7 [n=visi@unaffiliated/visik7] has joined #ubuntu-server === zorba64 [n=zorba64@dsl-210-211-115-140.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === zorba64 [n=zorba64@dsl-210-211-115-140.qld.veridas.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-245-202.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-065-176.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === klorie [n=cyril@bny92-5-82-232-56-222.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa [n=ubijtsa@213.208.70.155] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:35] moin moin [10:36] morning [10:36] hello [10:36] fabbione: I believe I am reading the interview with you on ossblog.it :) [10:36] ubijtsa: that's about right :) [10:37] so you reckon there will be a Ubuntu for PDA's? [10:38] fabbione: i really think you ought to add that fantastic interview to the topic === ubijtsa would like that... A lot, if a Tungsten T|3 was supported :) [10:38] ubijtsa: i can't say for sure.. i really meant what i said in the interview [10:38] fabbione: naturally, or you would not have said it :) [10:38] thom: eheh fantastic is a relative concept due to the translation they did :( [10:39] thom: but welcome to do add it :P [10:39] ubijtsa: :) === klorie [n=cyril@bny92-5-82-232-56-222.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:43] re-hello === ubijtsa thinks it a good thing the lists have calmed down a bit after the last couple weeks heated debate [10:45] ubijtsa: ? [10:45] fabbione: the MTA issue? :) [10:45] regarding what subject [10:45] on what list? [10:45] ubuntu-user.. [10:46] I am ashamed to admit I added to that noise.. [10:46] oh [10:46] then there was the uim/scim debate on the devel list [10:46] too high traffic for me === ubijtsa just skimms the topics for the interesting ones.. [10:49] i don't know if it's the proper channel to talk about this: what is the proper procedure about upgrading a "server" hoary install to breezy ? e.g. without installing ubuntu-desktop before doing apt-get dist-upgrade ? [10:49] klorie: I think that an apt-get dist-upgrade is enough [10:51] so what is currently happening in ubuntu-server land? [10:51] visik7 - ok, thanks. After reading breezy upgrade notes an breezy upgrade topics in ubuntu forums i suspect the upgrading procedure to depend on specific desktop packages. === thom [n=thom@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["feh"] [10:52] dist-upgrade should be enough as it will only update installed packages (and pre/co-reqs) [10:52] do 'apt-get -s dist-upgrade' first, and check what it wants to do [10:53] thanks ubijtsa, i will check this. [10:54] np === jethro [n=jethro@saje3.docisland.org] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:04] would it be possible, albeit not advisable, to dist-upgrade from debian sarge to breezy server? === GheRivero [n=ghe@81.172.95.21] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:39] hi everyone [11:40] lo GheRivero === jethro [n=jethro@saje3.docisland.org] has left #ubuntu-server ["ubuntu-crap] [11:46] one question, from the spec, the issue to keep etc under bzr, is it bzr or bzr-ng? [11:54] bzr is baz-ng and baz isn't bzr :-) === mastrolorito [n=mastrolo@p54ADB8B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:58] ok! thx, now i will not mix them again! [12:01] :-) === jjs [n=jjs@nat-11.anza.is] has joined #ubuntu-server === beezly [n=beezly@2001:630:63:16:230:1bff:feb7:2528] has joined #ubuntu-server === klorie [n=cyril@bny92-5-82-232-56-222.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === quatebriga [n=icechat5@mail.planet-optika.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [12:11] hello ? [12:12] GheRivero: still testing/using NFSv4?-) [12:13] yes, of course... no big problems at the moments... [12:13] are you using krb5 with it? [12:13] yes, krb5, that's the only thing i want properly working :) [12:14] integrate evythingthing with SSO [12:14] with AD? [12:14] AD mainly, cause we use it at my university... [12:14] but also with plain mit kerberos + ldap [12:15] and who nows, maybe Fedora directory some day [12:15] ok. we have both AD and "UNIX-AD" [12:15] and fierce battles because of that.. [12:15] UNIX-AD? which one are you using? [12:16] OpenLDAP and MIT Kerberos, but the krb-part is not yet up-and-running [12:16] but hopefully next week [12:17] we use AD as a LDAP, without kerberos at the moment :/ [12:18] anyway, do you think that libgssapi/librpcsecgss should be pushed for dapper?-) [12:18] because atm nfs4-support still needs hand-built packages [12:18] i hope!!! [12:20] anyway, i just discover this team, finally! (it's being almost 1 year since the first rumours i heard) [12:20] so i plan to push a lot of things throught it [12:20] ubuntu-server? [12:21] yeah [12:21] well, it was announced a month ago, I think ;) === GheRivero is now known as GheAway [12:23] just ran newpynfs against a netapp-server on dapper. 578 tests; 13 skipped, 169 failed, 20 warned, 376 passed === kyrre [i=kyrre@legolas.iu.hio.no] has joined #ubuntu-server === kyrre is now known as kybe === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === blue-frog [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-245-74.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === g0th [n=goth@geek.geekculture.dk] has joined #ubuntu-server [01:45] 'morning [01:45] mornin' === E0x [n=moya@pri-133-b32.codetel.net.do] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:18] morning [02:25] mornin E0x [02:42] what do i have to do to join the server team? [02:43] segfault: impress 'em :) [02:43] yeah, i'll just try to figure out how... [02:44] I tried dancing, but it didnt work [02:44] segfault: guess contributing to dapper stuff is the esiet and most interesting way since u're here [02:45] segfault: there're quite a few things on the specs page that need to be done, and *many* more will as soon as it gets released [02:45] segfault: the first release will probably contain less than half of the things that would be nice to have in, so lots of work is waiting all of us [02:45] guess u'll have ur chance to impress 'em [02:47] sure === ubijtsa would love to have spare time to volounteer to help with this and that === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:54] wb fabbione === nocturn [n=nocturn@d51532EAD.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-server [02:55] Hi all [02:55] Can I upgrade my Hoary server to Ubuntu-server 5.10? [02:56] nocturn: yes [02:56] nocturn: sure u can [02:56] same way as you do any other upgrade [02:56] hi fabbione [02:56] Will this not get me standard Breezy? [02:56] hey spike [02:57] I'm specificly interested in the server-specific kernels. [02:57] nocturn: there are no specific kernel for server in breezy [02:57] they will land with dapper [02:58] So, the images here http://releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/5.10/ [02:59] are similar to the breezy install with the server parameter? [03:01] why ubuntu-server is 386 compile [03:01] nocturn: yes that's right [03:01] nocturn: exactly [03:01] a 686 compile will be nice [03:02] E0x: u can easily get the 686 kernel, it's there [03:02] There is some confusion about this on the forums. [03:02] just apt-get it and reboot [03:02] spike but is not just the kernel [03:02] E0x: not this again... [03:02] the packages too [03:02] Somone posted from the announcement: * Includes server-oriented kernels with out-of-the-box [03:02] eeer, doh [03:02] there will never be 686 packages. [03:03] fabbione i dont want start a war us asking [03:03] and Safe and text-oriented boot mode for better clarity and [03:03] it buys nothing for a lot of more problems [03:03] ok === spike remembers the huge flame on debian lists [03:03] :) [03:04] iirc it coincided with gentoo getting popular *g* [03:04] E0x: the clear example is gentoo/debian benchmarking.. same box, same apps.. clearly different build. debian was faster on all the apps that have been tested. [03:04] ehehe [03:04] fabbione i dont believe in beachmark that make another ppl [03:04] i believe that i see [03:04] nocturn: yes, note that the announce has been done after the breezy release, to explain what will happen. [03:05] with my own eyes [03:05] kernel compiled to a specific cpu matters more on sparc [03:05] E0x: eyes aren't objective [03:05] fabbione: thanks for clarifying, I will post this info on the forum. [03:05] And I'm looking forward to the Dapper server edition... [03:05] ubijtsa: no wrong. it matters on all arches but only to gain benefits in some corner cases [03:05] Hoping that the Kerberos integration gets in... [03:06] eew, SSO [03:06] eew? [03:07] onomatopoeia :) [03:07] like muttering [03:07] spike: I take it you don't like SSO? [03:07] fabbione: on x86 (ia32) you get benefit from including support for MMX/SSE if you do lots of floating point work.. [03:07] nocturn: I do love it, but only thinking of it gives me an headache :) [03:08] ubijtsa: not only. There are schedulers, highmem, numa, bigfatnuma and other stuff you can tune. [03:08] nocturn: kerberos + AFS + ldap + samba is marvellous, just a pain to properly setup [03:08] spike: yes, on Linux it is still hard to do, and Windows only does it the wrong way. [03:08] most people would never know the difference between 386 and k7 kernel for their word processing and websurfing === digitalfallout [n=esharp@68-188-149-54.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:09] I've gotten as far as Kerberos with pam_krb5 and cyrus_sasl to my imap server [03:09] fabbione: very true, but most of that is available independent of kernel being optimised for 386 or 686 [03:09] AFS would be nice to do... I checked if it was possible to have Samba with Kerberos for Linux2Linux, but no dice [03:10] hey fabbione you the same guy of the osnews interview ? [03:10] nocturn: I mentioned that for windows domain authing actually [03:10] E0x: yes [03:10] spike: we do kerberos + AFS + ldap and no samba btw [03:10] fabbione cool [03:10] maswan: cool. how big is the network? [03:11] spike: three clusters of about 100-200 machines each, a handful of workstations and a bunch of servers [03:11] fabbione: the dapper server image, will it have something like XEN available, or is that targeted for Dapper+1 ? [03:12] spike: I thought you still needed a Windows AD PDC though [03:12] maswan: I assume u've got AFS caching servers on top of each of those cluster, eh? how is that working? [03:12] maswan: Whas the AFS setup hard? [03:12] spike: huh? not really, I think [03:12] ubijtsa: if somebody will volunteer to integrate XEN, probably.. [03:13] nocturn: Yeah, fairly. The lack of usable documentation was a big problem back when we first did the setup. === spike would love to === ubijtsa realises he will need more hardware at home... [03:13] spike: the compute clusters have local scratch filesystems that are curently nfs but we're working on moving them to lustre [03:14] AFS got the biggest man I've ever seen... [03:14] only the administrator manual is 864 fskcing pages... unbelievable [03:14] and then u got a few other mans, included the user one which is about 400 pages maybe, can't remember exactly === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [03:14] fabbione: has anyone done any sizing of XEN integration work yet, or is it just an item on a huge todo list still? :) [03:15] spike: client setup these days is farily easy though [03:15] ubijtsa: several attemps, all failed. XEN upstream is too slow for us [03:15] maswan: I figured so, I have looked at it for a smaller setup, but it seems complicated [03:15] spike: even if the habit of kerberos-related tools to give utter crap for error messages is somewhat annoying [03:16] fabbione: so ubuntu would need to bypass debian upstream and go straight to source for any integration work, or is it the source itself that is to slow? [03:16] fabbione: uh, what does that mean? XEN upstream too slow? 2.2 wont cleanly integrate with dapper stuff? I don't get the prob [03:17] ubijtsa, spike: for hoary and breezy, while we were at kernel 2.6.foo [03:17] XEN upstream was at least 2 major releases behind [03:17] that means that it is almost impossible to ingrate with our kernel [03:17] if not using a XEN development branch [03:17] ah, so the XEN team don't produce patches for recent kernels.. [03:17] I c [03:17] that i don't think anybody want to put in production on servers for 5 years [03:18] fabbione: I don't believe so. I'm working on 3.0 and it's .12 [03:18] so there would be loads of work 'forwardporting' XEN into ubuntu kernels.. [03:18] spike: yes, and kernel.org/dapper is .15 [03:18] and on the ML they were talking about moving to .14... just talking :/ [03:18] blah [03:18] I c [03:18] spike: in their development tree they are at .14, probably .15 [03:19] but the issue is that there is the requirement of: [03:19] - hypervisor [03:19] - kernel [03:19] - userland [03:19] all in sync [03:19] and again.. you don't want it from a devel branch for production servers [03:19] indeed [03:20] anyway i need to go offline from IRC for a bit [03:20] well, I reckong that one might accept to run an host with an older kernel, with a few assumptions that may work [03:20] c ya [03:20] ok [03:20] cya [03:20] fabbione: cya === spike should go painting too [03:21] need to finish this room and buy stuff... moving is always a pain :/ [03:21] bbl [03:21] I'm going too, thanks again for the help === nocturn [n=nocturn@d51532EAD.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-server [] === pdr [n=pdr@pebbles.pdr.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server === lionel [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === agd [n=ask@r200-40-47-198.adsl.anteldata.net.uy] has joined #ubuntu-server === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.246.59] has joined #ubuntu-server === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-server === thoreauputic [n=prospero@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-server [] === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === yogi [n=florin@iucha.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [04:49] should the dapper server kernel (currently 2.6.15-11) run on a PIII machine? [04:49] I get oopses right at boot with both .15-10 and .15-11 === g0th [n=goth@geek.geekculture.dk] has left #ubuntu-server [] === yogi [n=florin@iucha.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] [05:07] somebody have a nice howto about Redundant Internet Connections [05:07] ? [05:09] E0x: please explain what you mean? [05:10] 2 internet conecction and one network , balance the access to internet [05:11] between the 2 internet conecction and if one fail still work the internet in the network [05:29] e0x: lart.org [05:29] e0x: lartg.org [05:29] Firefox can't find the server at www.lartg.org. [05:31] oops, http://www.lartc.org/lartc.html [05:33] or maybe: http://www.samag.com/documents/s=9384/sam0201h/ [05:33] right to the point [05:49] thx [05:50] that articule in samag is old i saw it [05:50] http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === Runix [n=Diabolik@host190-170.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-server [05:56] hi [05:56] hi [05:56] i'm ubuntu user [05:56] i'm italian [05:57] http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/nano.txt [05:57] Runix: and how may we help you? [05:58] do you speak italian? [05:58] no, but #ubuntu-it does [05:58] i know [05:58] but i would like to say thank to Mark Shuttleworth [05:59] oh, he might be in #ubuntu-devel, but I higly doubt [05:59] he enter in this chanel too [05:59] i know === Unfun [n=Unfun@adsl-209-233-46-141.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === Runix [n=Diabolik@host190-170.pool80117.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-server [] === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-130.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-server [07:09] wb matt === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-server === spike [n=spike@unaffiliated/spike] has joined #ubuntu-server === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-253-201.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-server === tobias_r [n=ravent@dslb-084-060-105-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-server === tobias_r [n=ravent@dslb-084-060-105-241.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-server ["Leaving"] === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.243.146] has joined #ubuntu-server === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-169-231.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-server === ubijtsa2 [n=anders@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-server [09:51] re-hi [09:52] re-wb [09:52] spike: ta :) [09:52] :) [09:52] ubijtsa2: where are u based in uk? [09:53] spike: Farnborough (near the M3, Basingstoke/Bracknell/Guildford area) === ubijtsa2 has just completed the update of spamassassin through CPAN (Breezy is lagging a bit, v2.64 vs v3.1.0) [09:56] and I now have 2.6.15 proper installed and running... [09:57] ubijtsa2: close enough for some geek talking and a beer then :) [09:57] heh, where are you then? :) [09:58] ubijtsa: down of m23, brighton [10:00] compared to most in here, that is close, but it's still a fair drive :) [10:01] been to brighton a few times.. through work a couple times back in 97 and most recently in 01 I think, meeting up with a mate from .se when he was over here [10:01] ubijtsa2: well, ~30 mins with southern, not too bad [10:02] from Farnborough? [10:02] It's probably 1h30 at least by car.. [10:02] isnt it. say 40 actually [10:02] eh? [10:03] it's ~45 to london actually, thought it was a bit closer than that, so... [10:04] To get to Brighton, I'd go up M3 to M25, then down the M23/A23.. it M25 is clear, and Gatwick isn't busy, it might only take 1h10 domn [10:04] down even [10:05] Might be trains via Guildford down that way, but I don't know for sure :) [10:05] well, whatever, when/if u have the time and fancy it, just ping me, I'm around, can come up or the other way around [10:06] okidoki :) [10:07] actually I got to travel and look around a bit anyway, so guess I'll come up. how's Farnborough? [10:08] well, it's alright, not the place if you want to go clubbing, but it's alright to live in :) === spike does more pubbing than clubbing [10:08] *g* [10:08] Aldershot is just around the corner, so heavy concentration of military personel [10:09] ewwww, that sux, not the place for me then [10:09] no idea what the pubs are like around here, I've lived here for 3 years, and never been to one :) [10:09] ahaha [10:10] u don't drink beer? I'd be astonished :) [10:10] I tend to get some nice cognac or islay in, and enjoy it with a good book :) [10:10] I'm partial to a good Guinness tho' :) [10:10] oh, that then. I c, good choice :) [10:10] well, is there any other beer worth drinking? ;) [10:11] heh, of the lagers, carling and irish harp are alright [10:11] naaah :) [10:11] btw, I'm not english , just in case :) [10:12] when I go visit the relatives in .se, I drink pear cider or lapinkulta [10:12] oooh, /me love .se [10:12] in brighton there's a .se club actually :) [10:16] really? [10:16] yep [10:16] u're from .se? [10:16] aye [10:16] cool :D [10:16] been living in .uk for 9+ years tho [10:16] :) [10:17] uhm, don't know sweden that well, but I wouldnt see any reason to live in any other place :) [10:17] but a woman :) [10:17] uuuuhm, you lost me :) [10:18] ubijtsa2: I wouldnt want to move if I were based in sweden :), that's damned great country [10:19] as all the scandinavian ones :) [10:19] .se is a nice place, yeah. I'd like to wove back one day, but have to have work lined up and all that [10:19] move even [10:21] what about job opportunities up there? [10:21] up here, or in .se ? [10:21] here the situation looks like dead, and I quickly need to find job uk based... currency exchange with euro is killing me [10:21] up there [10:22] I work up in Aylesbury for McAfee [10:22] ah, wow [10:22] I have a 110 miles round trip every day for work === spike shrugs [10:22] There is RedHat in Guildford, Novell in Bracknell... [10:23] 110 miles = 175km [10:23] are you looking at jobserve.com for jobs? lots of permanent and contract work advertised on there [10:26] ubijtsa2: havent been able to find much that doest sux [10:27] if I have to do the cabling I can work in a pub and have more fun [10:27] hehe [10:27] Where is Bracknell? [10:28] Unfun: not far from the M4, south of Reading sort of [10:28] spike: go to http://www.jobserve.com/Job-Search.aspx?id=11&industry=IT%2bJobs and see if they have anything (if it is IT jobs you are after) [10:30] How is the job market in the UK? [10:30] For IT [10:30] For IT [10:30] woops [10:31] looks sucky to me, they say it's getting better, tho [10:31] job market isn't that bad.. depends what skills you have [10:33] my contract with IBM expired Oct 1st '04, and I didn't get a job until 31st Jan '05, but I have broader skills to less depth than others.. === jefuri1 [n=Geoffrey@h-66-134-120-164.lsanca54.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:33] also, I am a weird mix. QA, SysAdm and Build.. :) === jefuri1 [n=Geoffrey@h-66-134-120-164.lsanca54.covad.net] has left #ubuntu-server [] [10:34] hey, actually that page isnt bad :) [10:34] tnx ubijtsa2 [10:34] oh, and I won't work with Windows.. [10:34] spike: np [10:34] I just got 100 clients and 20 2003 server for xmas... [10:35] hehe [10:35] 100 clients? [10:35] been windoze free for like 4 years [10:35] small Lan of 100 XP clients === dfgas [n=dfgas@adsl-69-210-42-190.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-server [10:36] are you a one man show? === ubijtsa2 is heading bedways now... getting up in 7 hours [10:38] Unfun: uh, that was for me? [10:39] yea [10:39] Unfun: we were just talking of windows free, and I signed for a new job in 2006 and have to babysit that network... [10:39] I fail to see what's up with what show [10:39] I meant do you manage all of those systems by yourself. [10:41] Unfun: I'll have to until march, then they said they're gonna bring in another guy so I can focus on servers [10:41] Unfun: what's wrong with it? [10:42] Nothing, just curious to see how many people you have managing 100 clients [10:42] the guy I'm taking the place of did that for quite long, the whole architecture is automatized,so not a big deal [10:42] that's the point of automation, 1 or 1000 it doesnt matter [10:43] Totally, 1 person can manage 1 system or 1,000 with automation [10:44] we have 4 people managing around 100 systems [10:44] automation here and there [10:44] well, me alone isnt enough imho, to do things fine [10:44] But you have the power of automation! [10:44] I'll hope they'll keep the promise and bring that guy in [10:45] We have around 100 servers and 60 clients. [10:45] 2 people here. [10:46] spike: where do you work? [10:47] polvi: italy so far [10:48] polvi: it's a tech company related to an italian region, so they do stuff for local public administration etc [10:49] cool [10:49] using ubuntu-server? [10:49] :) [10:49] it's not bad, but I'd like a job in uk [10:50] polvi: have some debian machines yet, but won't convert 'em before dapper [10:50] new boxes got ubuntu-server of course :) [10:53] gonna grab a kebab, c ya later [11:07] ok, here is my deal. i have 2 nics in my server. 1 nic (eth1) is for my lan and eth0 is for my dsl. well i am using ppp0 to connect to the internet. it is using eth0 but eth0 is also using dhcp to get an IP which it shouldn't be, how do i fix cause i am having problems on sometimes it is having connection issues but everyone on the lan works just fine === nics__ [n=nics@sarginson.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-server === GheRivero [n=ghe@213.254.100.64] has joined #ubuntu-server [11:50] dfgas: I dont really see why u should have issues because of that, but in case edit /etc/network/interfaces and remove the part where it says iface eth0 inet dhcp [11:51] dfgas: leaving just the line auto eth0, that should be next to that one, will bring up the card at boot time without configurin it in any way === dfgas_ [n=dfgas@adsl-69-210-33-157.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-server