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| teprrr | hello there.. would it be possible to include "focus addressbar on start" patch for konqueror in dapper? | 01:05 |
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| teprrr | before 3.5.1 release, if possible.. it's pretty annoying atm. | 01:05 |
| Tm_T | true | 01:09 |
| sebas | OTOH, such a change in a stable release might be even more annoying. | 01:14 |
| Riddell | teprrr: where's the patch? | 01:23 |
| Riddell | teprrr: if it's in 3.5.1 it's mostly likely 3.5.1 will go into dapper | 01:24 |
| teprrr | sebas, such a change? hmm, well, afaik it's always been that the addressbar has gotten the focus on startup | 01:24 |
| teprrr | Riddell, yeah, but it'll take some time.. not possible to have this one patch included? would make life a lot easier.. | 01:25 |
| teprrr | and yes, it's in brach. got there day after the release or so | 01:25 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, do you have op-granting powers in #kubuntu-offtopic, or do I need to bug nalioth instead? | 01:25 |
| sebas | teprrr: It changes behaviour significantly... | 01:26 |
| teprrr | it's a one-liner | 01:26 |
| sebas | Ow wait ... dapper. | 01:26 |
| sebas | Nevermind ... :D | 01:26 |
| teprrr | sebas, yeah, it used to work, but now I have to press f6 or move mouse to the addressbar and click it to write the address | 01:26 |
| teprrr | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117031 -- there's the patch | 01:27 |
| === sebas admits that it sucks :) | ||
| Riddell | alt-o works for me | 01:28 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: think you need to bug nalioth over that one... | 01:28 |
| seth_k|lappy | it's a deal | 01:28 |
| === seth_k|lappy goes to terrorize nalioth | ||
| teprrr | ctrl-o gets the dialog, which isn't a great idea either :/ | 01:29 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: what's up? | 01:30 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: looks like you need to talk to nalioth. I can 0wn it if needed but it takes time (need to contact freenode) | 01:31 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, no problem | 01:31 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, polyester got into the archive after a couple rounds of give-back | 01:32 |
| seth_k|lappy | anything new you'd like? | 01:32 |
| seth_k|lappy | I did another kde-style last night, so I'm free now to do another goodie | 01:32 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: package kde-hal-device-manager if you like :) | 01:32 |
| seth_k|lappy | uh oh, Python crack | 01:33 |
| seth_k|lappy | I'll have to get out the manual on that one :) but will give it a try | 01:33 |
| Riddell | it's got zero buildsystem and you need to do python things, I'd like to get it into hal proper actu | 01:33 |
| Riddell | actually so it may not be worth it | 01:33 |
| seth_k|lappy | hmmm | 01:33 |
| seth_k|lappy | yeah, I'd say with the amount of reading I'd have to do, for possibly minimal gain... no | 01:33 |
| seth_k|lappy | :P | 01:33 |
| teprrr | so, are you pushing new packages to dapper atm? | 01:34 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: why does it suddenly feel like -offtopic is about to get into massive trouble? | 01:34 |
| teprrr | like this kde-hal-device-manager? :) | 01:34 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, that's why I was preemptively asking for ops | 01:35 |
| Riddell | teprrr: anything you have we can package :) | 01:35 |
| Riddell | although Hobbsee is still working on the asciiquarium screensaver | 01:35 |
| Hobbsee | er....yes....sorta...lol | 01:35 |
| === Hobbsee needs some help with that, at some point | ||
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, I'm free atm, gimmie something to fulfill the package-crack shakes :) | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | how long do i have to do it? | 01:36 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, just hit me up sometime :) | 01:36 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: will do - but when i'm awake enough to do anything, you're not here lol! | 01:36 |
| teprrr | Riddell, seth_k|lappy, well, this device-manager thingy would be cool to have :) | 01:36 |
| Riddell | teprrr: it's on kde-apps | 01:37 |
| teprrr | Riddell, any plans getting it into kdesvn? | 01:37 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, sorry, 17 hour time diff :D | 01:37 |
| teprrr | Riddell, yes I know, but is there package? | 01:37 |
| Riddell | teprrr: I'll try and get it into hal I think | 01:37 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: well, if you'd catch up with the world lol! | 01:37 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, it's 11 am for you isn't it? | 01:37 |
| Riddell | no package yet | 01:37 |
| teprrr | Riddell, ah. ookay | 01:37 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, you should be raring to go! | 01:37 |
| === Hobbsee mutters about people who are so far behind | ||
| Hobbsee | yes, it is | 01:37 |
| === seth_k|lappy mutters about people who wake up at 11am | ||
| === Hobbsee is not a morning person - i'm a night owl | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you wanting kubuntu CDs? | 01:38 |
| seth_k|lappy | okay, okay. I admit it, me too. | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | me? wasnt planning on it, was planning on creating a pbuilder before that | 01:38 |
| Hobbsee | hence i can screw up my system with it, and then reinstall with the latest daily cd and test it at the same time | 01:39 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I have real breezy CDs if you have a lug or anything to hand them out at | 01:40 |
| === Hobbsee laughs - i wish, but i know of no one who would like one | ||
| === Hobbsee knows no one else who runs linux, or would like to, where she lives | ||
| teprrr | oh, btw, why k(m)player isn't packaged for kubuntu? | 01:42 |
| === Hobbsee goes off to set up a pbuilder | ||
| Riddell | teprrr: probably the mplayer dependency has kept them out of debian | 01:44 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: fancy investigating? | 01:44 |
| teprrr | ah, yes, but it supports xine too, afaik | 01:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, sure, sounds good | 01:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, this one? http://kmplayer.kde.org/ | 01:45 |
| teprrr | seth_k|lappy, yup. and http://kplayer.sf.net either isn't in | 01:45 |
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, which one is better | 01:46 |
| seth_k|lappy | ? | 01:46 |
| seth_k|lappy | or are they simply different? :P | 01:46 |
| Riddell | I think one also allows for xine, not sure which | 01:46 |
| teprrr | kmplayer can use xine, yes | 01:47 |
| teprrr | and it's mainly for embedding into konqueror and other apps | 01:47 |
| teprrr | kplayer is standalone app | 01:47 |
| seth_k|lappy | right, I think I'll play with kmplayer first | 01:47 |
| seth_k|lappy | kpart goodness and all | 01:47 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell: it can handle gstreamer too | 01:47 |
| seth_k|lappy | so we would prefer that, yes? | 01:48 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: oooh! | 01:48 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: if you tell me it handled gstreamer 0.10 you get a pony | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | hehe, Riddell's getting excited here! | 01:48 |
| === Hobbsee would prefer a kangaroo | ||
| seth_k|lappy | I already get a pony! for polyester! | 01:49 |
| === seth_k|lappy pouts | ||
| Hobbsee | you get another one? | 01:49 |
| seth_k|lappy | hmm | 01:51 |
| Hobbsee | ok, this is the part where my pbuilder broke last time...wonder how it will work this time | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: thinking about before, while this builds, if i'm around in -offtopic, i can op you, but i cant add you to the access list | 01:56 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, I'm access'd now | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | ok :) | 01:57 |
| seth_k|lappy | thanks though :) | 01:57 |
| Hobbsee | no problems | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | hey wow! pbuilder is building properly this time! | 02:06 |
| === Hobbsee stomps foot and glares at Riddell :P | ||
| Hobbsee | you didnt have to give me such a hard package! | 03:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: asciiquarium seems to require libterm-animation-perl which is not packaged, but which is available at http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KB/KBAUCOM/Term-Animation-2.1.tar.gz - what should be done? | 03:02 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, how would ksudoku be in Debian, but not Ubuntu? | 03:14 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: um, erk | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | that's what i thought! | 03:16 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: sorry :) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | i'll forgive you - this time | 03:17 |
| === Hobbsee tries to stop laughing | ||
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I suggest that unless you want to move straigh onto perl module packaging you just install libterm-animation-perl locally and finish asciiquarium if you can with a note that it needs someone to package that module too | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | right | 03:17 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: depends, how much harder is it to do the perl module packaging as well? or dont i even want to think about it? | 03:18 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: no idea.. I've never packaged one | 03:19 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/ksudoku/0.3-3/ | 03:19 |
| Riddell | failed to build | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | great | 03:19 |
| Riddell | fixes welcome :) | 03:19 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, you want it, or shall I? | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | dont mind, but i'll do it if you help me with it | 03:19 |
| seth_k|lappy | you got it | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | seeing as otherwise i wont get too far! | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 03:20 |
| Hobbsee | ok, it looks like i might just be able to manage this one lol! | 03:22 |
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| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, kmplayer doesn't work with gstreamer0.10 :( | 03:41 |
| Hobbsee | no pony for you then, clearly :P | 03:42 |
| seth_k|lappy | :'( | 03:43 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, still about? Hobbsee will have a goodie for you in about 5 minutes | 03:54 |
| === seth_k|lappy wonders what Riddell's whacked-out sleeping habits are like | ||
| Hobbsee | hehe | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | worse than mine | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | i'm sure it's better not to think about them | 03:54 |
| seth_k|lappy | failing Riddell being here, we'll go poke \ sh (space to avoid pinging) | 03:55 |
| seth_k|lappy | he likes KDE stuff | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | *nods* | 03:58 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 03:59 |
| seth_k|lappy | haha, he's still here | 03:59 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, you need to sleep more | 03:59 |
| Riddell | tell me about it | 04:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, I helped Hobbsee patch ksudoku, and she's uploading a debdiff | 04:00 |
| seth_k|lappy | want to upload it for her? ;) | 04:00 |
| Riddell | sure | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | that's if the browsers all stop crashing on me... | 04:00 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: while you're waiting, when's the next flight cd supposed to be? | 04:00 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: not too sure, I'll ask kamion tomorrow | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | or i'll go look it up, either way | 04:01 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: ok, which bits am i uploading? the usual? | 04:01 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: send me your address if you want a big box of kubuntu CDs | 04:01 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, looks good to me | 04:02 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, all you need to upload is the debdiff | 04:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: look up where? | 04:02 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: I'll send you my adrress this afternoon . | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: wiki somewhere, thought i saw it before | 04:02 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: but which stuff to riddell? | 04:03 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, just the link to the bug (Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ksudoku/+bug/6485) | 04:03 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, all he needs is the debdiff | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485 | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i see | 04:03 |
| Hobbsee | well, Riddell https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485 :P | 04:03 |
| seth_k|lappy | I never understood quite how they do it from just a debdiff (easily), but that's all the motu team ever asks for | 04:04 |
| Hobbsee | ah ok | 04:04 |
| === Hobbsee watches as thunderbolts fall from the sky and my computer explodes into a puff of smoke and fire | ||
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: same as any other patch | 04:06 |
| === Riddell compiles | ||
| Hobbsee | :) | 04:06 |
| seth_k|lappy | ah Riddell, so you still have to yoink the source and such | 04:07 |
| seth_k|lappy | I thought there was maybe a magic system where you could upload just a debdiff | 04:07 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: no, apt-get source foo; patch -p0 < foo.debdiff | 04:07 |
| seth_k|lappy | yeah, gotcha. That's how I'd do a normal patch, so good to know | 04:08 |
| Riddell | looks good, uploading | 04:10 |
| Riddell | only issue was not including the beastie URL in the changelog :) | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | eek! | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | which? | 04:10 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, the link to the bug that you filed :P | 04:10 |
| Hobbsee | oh | 04:10 |
| seth_k|lappy | sorry, I forgot that part | 04:11 |
| seth_k|lappy | good job Hobbsee ;) | 04:11 |
| Riddell | teprrr: kdebase uploaded with fix you wanted | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | good job to you too! | 04:11 |
| seth_k|lappy | lol | 04:11 |
| teprrr | Riddell, oh. thanks a lot! :) | 04:12 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, you'll get mail from katie telling you if it was okay | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 04:13 |
| seth_k|lappy | (if Riddell left your e-mail on it, which I like him to do :P) | 04:13 |
| seth_k|lappy | (for me that is) | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | ah right | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | woohoo - spam on my gmail account lol | 04:14 |
| seth_k|lappy | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004323.html | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | :D | 04:16 |
| teprrr | hmm, how long it take that the package will be available from archive.ubuntu.com? | 04:18 |
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, you can watch the build logs; it'll appear shortly after | 04:19 |
| teprrr | oh, where are the logs available? | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | ksudoku's there, it looks like | 04:19 |
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ | 04:20 |
| teprrr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 04:22 |
| teprrr | xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed | 04:22 |
| teprrr | xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed | 04:22 |
| teprrr | failed :P | 04:22 |
| seth_k|lappy | sounds like a give-back | 04:22 |
| seth_k|lappy | it'll just idle in the queue until imake can be installed again | 04:23 |
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| teprrr | mmkay :p | 04:23 |
| Riddell | sounds more like a we need someone to maintain X | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | sounds scary | 04:24 |
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| seth_k|lappy | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1395 when you have time and don't mind, Riddell. Thanks | 04:37 |
| teprrr | klearlook? | 04:37 |
| teprrr | ah, gotcha :) | 04:38 |
| teprrr | I thought it was klearlooks, but no :) | 04:38 |
| seth_k|lappy | nope, it's called klearlook, even though the gtk one is clearlooks. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717 | 04:41 |
| teprrr | yup, googled for it.. it looks way too plastik like but not as cute as plastik :P | 04:41 |
| Hobbsee | i rather like it | 04:42 |
| seth_k|lappy | teprrr, it resemble the default Gnome theme | 04:42 |
| teprrr | seth_k|lappy, yup, I know | 04:43 |
| Hobbsee | seth_k|lappy: is there a quick way to find what else hasnt built properly, and needs looking at, like ksudoku did? | 05:36 |
| seth_k|lappy | Hobbsee, I don't know of one. Ask -motu, methinks. | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | ok | 05:37 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: buildlogs | 05:37 |
| seth_k|lappy | \sh, what's the link for the recent logs? lamont's just has them alphabetically so it's hard to see what is failing | 05:38 |
| Hobbsee | \sh: i was more meaning a way to sort the build logs as to what has been packaged properly, and doesnt work yet | 05:38 |
| \sh | people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html | 05:39 |
| \sh | this is the lates | 05:39 |
| seth_k|lappy | ah, by date! | 05:39 |
| seth_k|lappy | thanks \sh | 05:39 |
| \sh | people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/<date in form YYYYMMDD> for past logs | 05:39 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: well if something is packaged properly but doesn't work or build means there is something wrong with upstream source | 05:40 |
| \sh | Hobbsee: build errors you can see in the buildlogs as well as ftbfs errors of the source.. | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | right | 05:40 |
| Hobbsee | ah ha! that was what i was looking for, thanks \sh! | 05:41 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: you still around? | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | hmmm...idle for an hour, guess not | 05:57 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: have a look on today's qt's build log | 06:04 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: the qt-immoudle have not been patched | 06:05 |
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| spstarr_home | hrm, kicker just died with SIGILL | 06:25 |
| spstarr_home | again maximizing kmail and clicking an email does it sometimes ;/ | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | #4 0x0830e518 in ?? () | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | #5 0xb7277d7c in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | #6 0xb7277f6e in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | #7 0xb793c6ad in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | #8 0xb72087dd in QApplication::sendSpontaneousEvent () | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 <-- | 06:26 |
| spstarr_home | not useful debug | 06:27 |
| Hobbsee | bye all - got to go to work | 06:29 |
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| SlimG | sorry for interupting in your chat, i was wondering if someone knows if the kubuntu (kde) translation will be moved over to rosetta (launchpad.org)? | 07:40 |
| seth_k|lappy | SlimG, much of it already is | 07:41 |
| seth_k|lappy | SlimG, there is a patch we include in KDE packages the next time we touch them; it allows the .pot files to be exported to Rosetta for translation. | 07:42 |
| seth_k|lappy | so you should start to see some KDE apps available, especially the big popular ones. | 07:42 |
| SlimG | i found som kde packages like koffice, but I wasn't alowed to translate it for some reason | 07:43 |
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| SlimG | does the translation team leader need to accept the translation or is every app in rosetta available for any translator disregarding of status? | 07:45 |
| seth_k|lappy | crimsun, do you know? SlimG is trying to translate KDE apps and getting denied. | 07:47 |
| crimsun | seth_k|lappy: I don't know offhand; try asking in #ubuntu-devel [in ~6 hours] | 07:48 |
| crimsun | (I have a backlog of ~700 e-mails) | 07:48 |
| seth_k|lappy | whoa | 07:48 |
| SlimG | when trying to translate koffice dapper i get this: No Translatable Templates Available | 07:51 |
| SlimG | im a noob, so this doesn't give me much info :P | 07:51 |
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| freeflying_ | Riddell: ping | 09:14 |
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| mornfall | good almost noon | 11:18 |
| mornfall | i have gotten roughly 0 feedback for the adept alpha... | 11:18 |
| mornfall | anything? | 11:18 |
| mornfall | hmm, actually, i'll ask again later, will have to go soon | 11:19 |
| JRe | mornfall: I am motivated to alpha test adept | 11:40 |
| JRe | mornfall: I downloaded it from playground and tried to compile it yesterday | 11:41 |
| JRe | mornfall: but runned over an error when ./configure | 11:41 |
| JRe | mornfall: apparently, it was because of libtag or libapt-front | 11:41 |
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| jpatrick | wb allee | 11:54 |
| allee | jpatrick: hi and bye. Need to prepare lunch ;) | 11:55 |
| jpatrick | yum :9 | 11:56 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: lovely Kleansweep package waiting at REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1404 | 12:07 |
| Tm_T | always good to notice at morning that shell servers is been rebooted at night | 12:20 |
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| jpatrick | hi Hobbsee | 12:29 |
| Tm_T | Hobbsee o7 | 12:30 |
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| Hobbsee | hey jpatrick and Tm_T :) | 12:34 |
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| Hobbsee | night all | 02:09 |
| mornfall | JRe: it is in dapper | 02:15 |
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| mornfall | laters :) | 02:15 |
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| Tonio_ | hi | 03:33 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | fine ? | 03:33 |
| Riddell | busy busy | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | I'm hill, didn't go work today.... | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | I just woke up | 03:34 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: hi | 03:34 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying_ | 03:35 |
| jjesse | morning all | 03:35 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: how would I give you money for postage? | 03:35 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: I don't know how to put money on a credit card | 03:35 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: libqt3-mt have not been patched with qt-immodule | 03:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: I've check the buildlog of todays | 03:37 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: debian/patches/kubuntu_01_immodule_unified.dpatch is the patch | 03:37 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: But I can not found it in buildlog | 03:37 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: hmmmmm... yes... | 03:38 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: as for the postage , i'll consult someone in bank , then tell you later | 03:38 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | hh, very nice ;) | 03:39 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: patches were missing from 00list. very strange, compiling now | 03:40 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: have this backport to breezy | 03:40 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: is that a question or a statement? | 03:41 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: question | 03:42 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: I don't really have time to backport it to breezy. hasn't someone already done that? | 03:42 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: qt in breezy now have not been patched with qt-immodule yet | 03:43 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: it's seem scim-qtimm will not be included in dapper | 03:44 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: why will it not be in dapper? | 03:45 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: upstream freeze will come Jan, 19 | 03:46 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: still two weeks to go :) | 03:47 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: you've said you would have a investigation about skim , and how about it | 03:50 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: I'm compiling qt with qt-immodule now, what else do I need to do? | 03:51 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: I've talked with you about skim as default CJK input method | 03:52 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: you told me you would have a investigation | 03:53 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: we need to get scim into main, then get skim into main | 03:53 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: the trouble with that is that none of the people who can do that know how to use CJK | 03:53 |
| Riddell | but I think if enough users point out it's important it can be done | 03:54 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: where shall we do it , a poll in forum or users ml or devel ml | 03:55 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: maybe at a technical board meeting | 03:57 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/205 | 03:58 |
| Riddell | jan 17th | 03:58 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: Sh we add it to agenda | 03:58 |
| freeflying_ | s/Sh/shall | 03:59 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: yes, do. then bring the whole ubuntu-cn community to the meeting and ask to have scim and skim in main | 03:59 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: got it , I;ll invite all cjk locoteam here . hmm | 04:00 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: thx | 04:00 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: thanks for working on this, we need your help to get it happening | 04:02 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: if kubuntu support chinese better , there will be more and more people in chinese can use it | 04:03 |
| Riddell | yes :) | 04:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I should get some of those :) | 04:06 |
| Tonio_ | I asked for 10 each.... | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just wondering, isn't the commercial use of the logo forbidden without canonical permission ? | 04:07 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: hmm, good point, it is a trademark | 04:07 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 04:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, we'll buy some then we'll sue them :) | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | note that he isn't gonna become billionaire with this | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hahaha | 04:08 |
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| Tonio_ | imagine one of those provided with the shipped cds... | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | would be nice ;) | 04:08 |
| Tonio_ | but expensive, so.... | 04:09 |
| jjesse | what are you guys talking about? | 04:10 |
| Riddell | http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=162786#p162786 | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | here are some photos | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | I really like the concept | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: back to konq profiles | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | I've finished the menus, and now working on the toolbars | 04:12 |
| Tonio_ | no problem wor you if there are two toolbars on two line ? | 04:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: for file manager and web browsing we shoudl have only 1 toolbar | 04:13 |
| Riddell | if kpdf uses a second that's fine | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem is I didn't find a solution to display tat second bar only when a kpart is used.... | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | it is display, whenever empty, or not displayed at all | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | so if you now an option that allows this.... | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | another solution is to have that bar on the same line.... | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | but it wouldn't feet nice without a big resolution... | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | let me show you a screenshot | 04:17 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: have you got my post address? | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture3.png | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | here is the result when I'm supposedly browsing a pdf file | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | the result is nice | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | but.... | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | http://planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | here is what is shown by default..... the kpart used to browsed html is merged too.... | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | so by the way, using two bars, one with back, next, home + the merged part, and another one with the address bar and search engine, is certainly more convenient | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | the other solution is too not merge and keep it as it is actually | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | on breezy | 04:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and here is another solution : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | not what you expect but probably better than the other one if we wanna keep the kpart integration to menus.... | 04:41 |
| Tonio_ | now you decide, you're the boss ;) | 04:42 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I say keep the current way and just don't have the toolbar buttons for pdfs | 04:42 |
| Riddell | which isn't idea I know | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 04:42 |
| Tonio_ | note that it isn't only for pdfs, but for gzip files, images etc..... | 04:43 |
| Riddell | yeah | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | not very important for the web profile | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | but for filemanagement, I think it is a big miss not to have that.... | 04:43 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: when happens if we remove all the buttons from capture4 so it's empty by default? | 04:46 |
| Tonio_ | let me show you | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture7.png | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | here it is | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | by emptying the khtmlpart kpart, I can get this | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | not very, very nice, but it could be a compromise | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | the ideal thing would be to dissable the khtmlkpart, but I don't think that's possible | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | I personnaly dislike capture7 renderring | 04:53 |
| Riddell | yuck | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | another solution would be to play with two rc files | 04:55 |
| Riddell | isn't there some way to get it to not display that empty toolbar? | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no, because it depends the kparts installed on the system | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | it merges them automacitally depending the context | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | for example the kget kpart is merged for me because I have it installed... | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | what would be empty for me would be empty for another guy etc... | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | solution -> indexing all kparts and set a configuration for all of them ;) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | another wolution would be to play with two rc files | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | one limited for webbrosing | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | the other, more advanced, for filemanagement | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | that would feet the menus on two lines, when only one is used with webbrosing | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | but I dunno if that's possible.... | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | to me the rc file is the same for all profiles | 04:58 |
| Riddell | it's possible it's just not reliable since I often start the webbrowsing konqueror to view files | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | pkay... | 04:58 |
| Riddell | also the session restore bug would stop it working across sessions | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | s/pkay/okay | 04:58 |
| Tm_T | hmh | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | may I ask a few (non geeks) personns their feeling ? | 04:59 |
| Riddell | I'm enclined to keep everything simple and just not display the buttons, I don't think i've had any complaints about it in breezy | 04:59 |
| Tm_T | anyone have tried Zeta livecd 1.1? | 04:59 |
| Riddell | sure, ask around | 04:59 |
| Tm_T | looks like they crippled dhcp in it | 04:59 |
| Riddell | the window menu though I've had complaints about | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is, "does simplification implies loosing functionnalities ?" | 04:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can remove the options there, no problem | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | It is simplified actually, but I can place it's options on the other menus | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I personnaly had complains with breezy concerning personns that had already use konq or hoary before | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: of course new users are okay, they don't know what is potentially usefull and missing, so............ | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | aka: the girl you didn't have to time to fall in love with will not miss you ;) | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | evidence ;) | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | but if you've seen it once, hard to do without her ^^ | 05:03 |
| Riddell | :) | 05:07 |
| Riddell | the functions are all available from the menu but I agree loosing stuff like zoom on pdfs in the toolbars is a pain | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | that's my problem :) | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | or arkalso..... | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | how many times did I double click a tar.gz file | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | and then I had to go back to the upper level to right click on it.... | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | that's a pain | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | you have the options available on the "view" menu, but, well, it is : | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | - non logic to have that in "view" | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | - not very convenient to use.... | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | I will discuss that toonight with a few people and let you know the global feeling | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | then you decide :) | 05:11 |
| Riddell | ok, thanks | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | no problem ;) just wanna help ^^ | 05:12 |
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| JRe | mornfall: adept crash | 06:50 |
| JRe | mornfall: when I try to fetch the updates | 06:50 |
| JRe | mornfall: (adept compiled on breezy) | 06:51 |
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| mornfall | wibble | 07:05 |
| mornfall | JRe: which adept version? | 07:05 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i don't like joel bah :P | 07:05 |
| JRe | mornfall: the one from dapper | 07:06 |
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| JRe | mornfall: but maybe it's an issue with breezy backporting | 07:06 |
| hunger | Is anyone having problems with dappers ksysguard? Cpufreq is not reported for me there for a while now. | 07:06 |
| JRe | i rebuilt apt, libapt-front,tagcoll | 07:06 |
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| mornfall | JRe: backtrace somewhere? | 07:07 |
| JRe | mornfall: err no it does not launch anymore because of debtags wich FTBFS | 07:08 |
| JRe | (on breezy) | 07:08 |
| mornfall | it doesn't launch because of debtags? | 07:09 |
| mornfall | wha | 07:09 |
| JRe | mornfall: now it does not install anymore | 07:09 |
| JRe | mornfall: debtags don't build from dapper | 07:09 |
| JRe | mornfall: and i can't no more install the one from breezy because of apt | 07:10 |
| JRe | (I backported the apt from dapper inbreezy) | 07:10 |
| Riddell | mornfall: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21951 if you're looking for adept crashes | 07:10 |
| Riddell | mornfall: you have e-mail | 07:10 |
| JRe | mornfall: in short i will be soon forced to downgrade everything ;) | 07:11 |
| Riddell | JRe: you could upgrade to dapper | 07:13 |
| JRe | Riddell: it's not to unstable ATM? i am in exam session | 07:14 |
| mornfall | Riddell: a new one? not seeing it | 07:15 |
| mornfall | another useless backtrace bah | 07:15 |
| mornfall | Riddell: with joel i was referring to the fwd | 07:16 |
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| mornfall | specs suck | 07:16 |
| mornfall | and joel apparently ate all the world's knowledge | 07:16 |
| mornfall | how am i supposed to write down detailed functionality of the damn thing | 07:17 |
| Riddell | JRe: it's really quite stable | 07:26 |
| jjesse | what about the adept guide that soemoene on the doc team wrote a couple of months back? does that help or does it now need a lot of updates? | 07:26 |
| mornfall | exams, don't remind me of exams | 07:31 |
| Tm_T | exams... | 07:31 |
| Tm_T | should do couple of tens this spring | 07:31 |
| mornfall | jjesse: is there some more recent version than i have? | 07:31 |
| mornfall | Tm_T: wha | 07:31 |
| jjesse | mornfall: nope | 07:31 |
| mornfall | ewgh | 07:31 |
| mornfall | i have 7 | 07:31 |
| mornfall | jjesse: it's not very helpful... it wasn't very helpful for 1.0 either though | 07:32 |
| Tm_T | mornfall: yes, my bad I was sick when they were earlier | 07:32 |
| jjesse | mornfall: complete rewrite? | 07:32 |
| mornfall | tens of exams for a single term?? | 07:32 |
| mornfall | jjesse: possibly not complete, but not trivial either | 07:32 |
| jjesse | mornfall: is adept at a point that we can start re-writing things? a lot going to change before dapper? | 07:37 |
| jjesse | mornfall: should we include it in dapper or work to get it upstream? | 07:37 |
| mornfall | jjesse: ideally, it would go into kde svn... | 07:38 |
| mornfall | jjesse: ideally for me that is | 07:38 |
| mornfall | jjesse: as for state of matters, the main interface is not going to change much, but i'd probably avoid making screenshots or such | 07:38 |
| mornfall | jjesse: the interface principles should however stay close to what they currently are | 07:38 |
| jjesse | mornfall: then i will approach the orginal author again about re-writing/updating it and getting it into kde sv | 07:39 |
| jjesse | svn. | 07:39 |
| mornfall | jjesse: i think that the most important part is to document the "hidden" features -- those that are not readily "obvious" to the user | 07:41 |
| jjesse | mornfall: ok | 07:41 |
| mornfall | the current guide has lots of quite obvious stuff in it, IMO | 07:41 |
| jjesse | i haven't looked at it since it was first created/changed | 07:42 |
| jjesse | so i would have to relook at it. | 07:42 |
| jjesse | i contacted the author to see if he was still interested | 07:43 |
| mornfall | okey, thanks | 07:47 |
| mornfall | Riddell: i am redoing the spec | 07:47 |
| Riddell | mornfall: good luck | 07:47 |
| mornfall | Riddell: round one saved | 08:08 |
| mornfall | Riddell: second round saved | 08:34 |
| mornfall | Riddell: feel free to add use scenarios, just try to keep them not-overly-silly :-) | 08:35 |
| mornfall | i'll go home now | 08:35 |
| mornfall | laters :) | 08:35 |
| Riddell | ooh, lots of spec | 08:40 |
| Riddell | Lathiat: is the plan with avahi to have avahi daemon installed by default but turned off by default or just not installed? | 08:41 |
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| jjesse | allee: ping | 10:21 |
| allee | jjesse: pong | 10:23 |
| jjesse | allee: are you using qemu and if so do you networking working correctly? | 10:23 |
| allee | jjesse: heh, I saw your post ;) I want the same thing as you. Because I had only 64K connection I didn't test anymore. | 10:24 |
| jjesse | allee: if i install/create a dapper install and then do a sudo qemu -hda dapper.img i can't get an address from dhcp | 10:24 |
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| jjesse | on my local lan | 10:25 |
| jjesse | :( | 10:25 |
| allee | jjesse: do you use the building or an external dhcp server? | 10:25 |
| jjesse | allee: external dhcp server, my LAN has a dhcp server | 10:26 |
| jjesse | allee: that i want to use, so i can get out to the internet to update etc | 10:26 |
| allee | I plan to use guidegod to route the tun0. This works when I route my second laptop via the dialup on the first laptop. so I don't see a reason why it shoud not work with tun0 instead of eth0 | 10:27 |
| allee | jjesse: the dhcp requests of qemu are send and seen on the tun0 interface. So a dhcp server connected via lan to eth0 will not see them | 10:28 |
| allee | jjesse: you need a local on or a dhcp forwarder (or use the qemu buildin one) | 10:28 |
| jjesse | allee: is that with the -user-net option? | 10:29 |
| allee | jjesse: I only read about the build-in dhcp server. I don't know how to activate him. A look at qemu man page did not help :( | 10:34 |
| jjesse | allee: the users forum hasn't been very helpful, which is why i was trying to approach it through the group | 10:35 |
| allee | jjesse: at least the dhcp server isn't enalbed by default because a breezy install got no dhcp responce | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping ? | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hi | 10:51 |
| raphink | Riddell: did you upload kalcul after advocating it? | 10:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: nope | 10:52 |
| raphink | Riddell: could you do it? | 10:52 |
| raphink | :) | 10:52 |
| Riddell | raphink: ok, but not just now am busy, please poke me if I don't get round to it todayish | 10:52 |
| raphink | ok | 10:52 |
| raphink | :) | 10:52 |
| \sh | raphink: which one? | 10:53 |
| raphink | \sh: kalcul | 10:53 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1412 | 10:53 |
| \sh | una momenta :) | 10:53 |
| raphink | \sh: I talked with Isaac about wesnoth this morning | 10:53 |
| raphink | \sh: he said he was packaging wesnoth again and I insisted on him merging both patches | 10:54 |
| \sh | raphink: so we can sync it in the future | 10:54 |
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| raphink | \sh: he'll work out the amd64 stuff at the same time, but not the way you did it it seems | 10:54 |
| raphink | and you weren't there at the time | 10:54 |
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| \sh | raphink: well...for sure he is doing it another way...why should it be easy | 10:55 |
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| raphink | oops | 10:55 |
| \sh | raphink: well...for sure he is doing it another way...why should it be easy | 10:55 |
| raphink | \sh: hehe | 10:56 |
| raphink | \sh: weel it seems he had begun to work on it before I asked him to merge it | 10:56 |
| \sh | then he must be faster :) | 10:56 |
| raphink | \sh: I took this opportunity to tell him how we work in Ubuntu | 10:56 |
| raphink | since he was telling me I could have fixed the -t switch stuff once and for all in my package | 10:56 |
| raphink | ;) | 10:57 |
| \sh | raphink: uploaded | 10:57 |
| raphink | I explained him how we work in merging packages and that we both gain in working together instead of duplicating work ;) | 10:57 |
| raphink | thanks \sh :) | 10:57 |
| raphink | \sh: this one has spent a long time on REVU, but it's up at last :) | 10:57 |
| \sh | i archived it now | 10:58 |
| raphink | thanks much :) | 10:58 |
| Hobbsee | morning all | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just discussing the profiles and I got a good idea from a windows user ;) | 10:58 |
| \sh | ok laters... | 11:01 |
| raphink | it seems konq-encrypt-menu got lost on the way | 11:05 |
| raphink | somewhere between REVU and NEW | 11:05 |
| raphink | or between NEW and the repos | 11:05 |
| raphink | :s | 11:05 |
| Riddell | raphink: I've not uploaded it I don't think | 11:08 |
| raphink | well version 0.1 was uploaded | 11:08 |
| raphink | but then 0.3 was uploaded again | 11:08 |
| raphink | without 0.1 having been approved yet | 11:08 |
| raphink | that was two weeks ago or so | 11:08 |
| raphink | Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1297 | 11:09 |
| Riddell | hmm | 11:09 |
| raphink | sistpoty uploaded 0.3 | 11:09 |
| raphink | and dholbach had uploaded 0.1 | 11:09 |
| raphink | and none got in | 11:09 |
| raphink | :s | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay.... | 11:10 |
| Riddell | they probably didn't change the changelog address so katie output got lost | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | I asked several personns, some of them never used konq or linux | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | explaining the problem of missing buttons in the actual profile, and the fact that konq has to many options | 11:11 |
| raphink | Riddell: what is there to do then? | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | according to many, the best compromise would be that : | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png | 11:11 |
| raphink | according to how many Tonio_ ? | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | 6 personns, 4 where prefering this one | 11:12 |
| raphink | ok | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | 2 where prefering http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png | 11:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yuck | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | the the solution, actual one + a second bar behind... | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | I personnally prefer capture5.png | 11:13 |
| Riddell | 5 is just the KDE default | 11:13 |
| Riddell | too many buttons, too much space taken up | 11:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well no, there are less buttons, I removed many | 11:13 |
| raphink | I like 5 | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | five is like the default, but with many buttons removed | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | 4 and 5 have exactly the same buttons number | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | just the place is different | 11:14 |
| raphink | I tend to use something like 4 on my comp | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | I was just reported by jre, raphink and many personns on kubuntu-fr that the context buttons where really missing in the filemanagement profile | 11:15 |
| raphink | but somehow upsidedown | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | raphink could confirm his opinion :) | 11:15 |
| raphink | well what I miss the most is the window menu for sure | 11:15 |
| raphink | I don't mind so much losing buttons cause I can add them easily | 11:15 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: the window menu will maybe be removed | 11:16 |
| raphink | but losing a menu in an app is not easy | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | but most of it's options will be in "view" | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: it is not technically easy to add the context buttons options | 11:16 |
| Tonio_ | if the bar is hidden, like actually, you cannot add them easilly | 11:17 |
| raphink | a windows user here tells me he prefers 5 | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | only a geek can ;) | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: did you show him the actual profile ? | 11:17 |
| Tonio_ | he need that to compare also | 11:17 |
| raphink | yes | 11:17 |
| raphink | oh no | 11:17 |
| raphink | I can't show him the default kubuntu one | 11:18 |
| raphink | I don't have it installed | 11:18 |
| raphink | I'd get crazy with so few options ;) | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | hum, it is convenient while briwsing the web | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | but just as an example, the zoom options while reading a pdf on the net are really missing | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | the ark options while browsing a tgz file too | 11:19 |
| raphink | yes | 11:19 |
| raphink | the zoom options get me nuts | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | same for the gwenview buttons while opening an image | 11:19 |
| raphink | sometimes I just go back and right click to open it manually in a separate kpdf | 11:19 |
| raphink | just to be able to zoom | 11:19 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: exactly what I do | 11:19 |
| raphink | Tonio_: I for one can't stand gwenview | 11:20 |
| raphink | I use kuickshow as my default viewer | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | so the compromise is according to me to simplify the menus | 11:20 |
| raphink | it's just lighter, faster, more convenient | 11:20 |
| raphink | although it's not embed in konqueror | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | and do like the actual one + the context toolbar | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | the only problem is where to put it | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: between 4 and 5, what would you prefer ? | 11:20 |
| raphink | hard to tell | 11:21 |
| Riddell | breezy users please test http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kpdf_3.4.3-0ubuntu2.2_i386.deb | 11:21 |
| raphink | I'd say 4, upside down ;) | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: testing | 11:21 |
| === raphink is not a breezy user, and even less a kde 3.4.3 user | ||
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, installed on my laptop that doesn't have kde 3.5 | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | seems to work | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | are there specific thing to look at ? | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: concerning gwenwiew, I was using showimg | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | very, very good | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | but not very stable | 11:28 |
| raphink | ok | 11:28 |
| === raphink is going to merge k3b | ||
| Riddell | Tonio_: just needs to be tested with all the PDFs you have lying around to make sure I haven't broken anything | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 10 files tested, no pb | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | let me test more | 11:29 |
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| Tonio_ | seems good Riddell | 11:47 |
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