=== Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6123F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-005-008.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === teprrr [i=tpr@kde/developer/rytilahti] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:05] hello there.. would it be possible to include "focus addressbar on start" patch for konqueror in dapper? [01:05] before 3.5.1 release, if possible.. it's pretty annoying atm. [01:09] true [01:14] OTOH, such a change in a stable release might be even more annoying. [01:23] teprrr: where's the patch? [01:24] teprrr: if it's in 3.5.1 it's mostly likely 3.5.1 will go into dapper [01:24] sebas, such a change? hmm, well, afaik it's always been that the addressbar has gotten the focus on startup [01:25] Riddell, yeah, but it'll take some time.. not possible to have this one patch included? would make life a lot easier.. [01:25] and yes, it's in brach. got there day after the release or so [01:25] Riddell, do you have op-granting powers in #kubuntu-offtopic, or do I need to bug nalioth instead? [01:26] teprrr: It changes behaviour significantly... [01:26] it's a one-liner [01:26] Ow wait ... dapper. [01:26] Nevermind ... :D [01:26] sebas, yeah, it used to work, but now I have to press f6 or move mouse to the addressbar and click it to write the address [01:27] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117031 -- there's the patch === sebas admits that it sucks :) [01:28] alt-o works for me [01:28] seth_k|lappy: think you need to bug nalioth over that one... [01:28] it's a deal === seth_k|lappy goes to terrorize nalioth [01:29] ctrl-o gets the dialog, which isn't a great idea either :/ [01:30] seth_k|lappy: what's up? [01:31] seth_k|lappy: looks like you need to talk to nalioth. I can 0wn it if needed but it takes time (need to contact freenode) [01:31] Riddell, no problem [01:32] Riddell, polyester got into the archive after a couple rounds of give-back [01:32] anything new you'd like? [01:32] I did another kde-style last night, so I'm free now to do another goodie [01:32] seth_k|lappy: package kde-hal-device-manager if you like :) [01:33] uh oh, Python crack [01:33] I'll have to get out the manual on that one :) but will give it a try [01:33] it's got zero buildsystem and you need to do python things, I'd like to get it into hal proper actu [01:33] actually so it may not be worth it [01:33] hmmm [01:33] yeah, I'd say with the amount of reading I'd have to do, for possibly minimal gain... no [01:33] :P [01:34] so, are you pushing new packages to dapper atm? [01:34] seth_k|lappy: why does it suddenly feel like -offtopic is about to get into massive trouble? [01:34] like this kde-hal-device-manager? :) [01:35] Hobbsee, that's why I was preemptively asking for ops [01:35] teprrr: anything you have we can package :) [01:35] although Hobbsee is still working on the asciiquarium screensaver [01:35] er....yes....sorta...lol === Hobbsee needs some help with that, at some point [01:36] teprrr, I'm free atm, gimmie something to fulfill the package-crack shakes :) [01:36] how long do i have to do it? [01:36] Hobbsee, just hit me up sometime :) [01:36] seth_k|lappy: will do - but when i'm awake enough to do anything, you're not here lol! [01:36] Riddell, seth_k|lappy, well, this device-manager thingy would be cool to have :) [01:37] teprrr: it's on kde-apps [01:37] Riddell, any plans getting it into kdesvn? [01:37] Hobbsee, sorry, 17 hour time diff :D [01:37] Riddell, yes I know, but is there package? [01:37] teprrr: I'll try and get it into hal I think [01:37] seth_k|lappy: well, if you'd catch up with the world lol! [01:37] Hobbsee, it's 11 am for you isn't it? [01:37] no package yet [01:37] Riddell, ah. ookay [01:37] Hobbsee, you should be raring to go! === Hobbsee mutters about people who are so far behind [01:37] yes, it is === seth_k|lappy mutters about people who wake up at 11am === Hobbsee is not a morning person - i'm a night owl [01:38] Hobbsee: you wanting kubuntu CDs? [01:38] okay, okay. I admit it, me too. [01:38] me? wasnt planning on it, was planning on creating a pbuilder before that [01:39] hence i can screw up my system with it, and then reinstall with the latest daily cd and test it at the same time [01:40] Hobbsee: I have real breezy CDs if you have a lug or anything to hand them out at === Hobbsee laughs - i wish, but i know of no one who would like one === Hobbsee knows no one else who runs linux, or would like to, where she lives [01:42] oh, btw, why k(m)player isn't packaged for kubuntu? === Hobbsee goes off to set up a pbuilder [01:44] teprrr: probably the mplayer dependency has kept them out of debian [01:44] seth_k|lappy: fancy investigating? [01:44] ah, yes, but it supports xine too, afaik [01:44] Riddell, sure, sounds good [01:45] teprrr, this one? http://kmplayer.kde.org/ [01:45] seth_k|lappy, yup. and http://kplayer.sf.net either isn't in [01:46] teprrr, which one is better [01:46] ? [01:46] or are they simply different? :P [01:46] I think one also allows for xine, not sure which [01:47] kmplayer can use xine, yes [01:47] and it's mainly for embedding into konqueror and other apps [01:47] kplayer is standalone app [01:47] right, I think I'll play with kmplayer first [01:47] kpart goodness and all [01:47] Riddell: it can handle gstreamer too [01:48] so we would prefer that, yes? [01:48] seth_k|lappy: oooh! [01:48] seth_k|lappy: if you tell me it handled gstreamer 0.10 you get a pony [01:48] hehe, Riddell's getting excited here! === Hobbsee would prefer a kangaroo [01:49] I already get a pony! for polyester! === seth_k|lappy pouts [01:49] you get another one? [01:51] hmm [01:53] ok, this is the part where my pbuilder broke last time...wonder how it will work this time [01:56] seth_k|lappy: thinking about before, while this builds, if i'm around in -offtopic, i can op you, but i cant add you to the access list [01:57] Hobbsee, I'm access'd now [01:57] ok :) [01:57] thanks though :) [01:58] no problems [02:06] hey wow! pbuilder is building properly this time! === Hobbsee stomps foot and glares at Riddell :P [03:00] you didnt have to give me such a hard package! [03:02] Riddell: asciiquarium seems to require libterm-animation-perl which is not packaged, but which is available at http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KB/KBAUCOM/Term-Animation-2.1.tar.gz - what should be done? [03:14] Riddell, how would ksudoku be in Debian, but not Ubuntu? [03:16] Hobbsee: um, erk [03:16] hehe [03:16] that's what i thought! [03:16] Hobbsee: sorry :) [03:17] i'll forgive you - this time === Hobbsee tries to stop laughing [03:17] Hobbsee: I suggest that unless you want to move straigh onto perl module packaging you just install libterm-animation-perl locally and finish asciiquarium if you can with a note that it needs someone to package that module too [03:17] right === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] Riddell: depends, how much harder is it to do the perl module packaging as well? or dont i even want to think about it? [03:19] Hobbsee: no idea.. I've never packaged one [03:19] seth_k|lappy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/ksudoku/0.3-3/ [03:19] failed to build [03:19] great [03:19] fixes welcome :) [03:19] Hobbsee, you want it, or shall I? [03:19] dont mind, but i'll do it if you help me with it [03:20] you got it [03:20] seeing as otherwise i wont get too far! [03:20] ok [03:22] ok, it looks like i might just be able to manage this one lol! === seth_k_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:41] Riddell, kmplayer doesn't work with gstreamer0.10 :( [03:42] no pony for you then, clearly :P [03:43] :'( [03:54] Riddell, still about? Hobbsee will have a goodie for you in about 5 minutes === seth_k|lappy wonders what Riddell's whacked-out sleeping habits are like [03:54] hehe [03:54] worse than mine [03:54] i'm sure it's better not to think about them [03:55] failing Riddell being here, we'll go poke \ sh (space to avoid pinging) [03:55] he likes KDE stuff [03:58] *nods* [03:59] hmm? [03:59] haha, he's still here [03:59] Riddell, you need to sleep more [04:00] tell me about it [04:00] Riddell, I helped Hobbsee patch ksudoku, and she's uploading a debdiff [04:00] want to upload it for her? ;) [04:00] sure [04:00] that's if the browsers all stop crashing on me... [04:00] Riddell: while you're waiting, when's the next flight cd supposed to be? [04:01] Hobbsee: not too sure, I'll ask kamion tomorrow [04:01] ok [04:01] or i'll go look it up, either way [04:01] seth_k|lappy: ok, which bits am i uploading? the usual? [04:01] freeflying_: send me your address if you want a big box of kubuntu CDs [04:02] Hobbsee, looks good to me [04:02] Hobbsee, all you need to upload is the debdiff [04:02] Hobbsee: look up where? [04:02] Riddell: I'll send you my adrress this afternoon . [04:02] Riddell: wiki somewhere, thought i saw it before [04:03] seth_k|lappy: but which stuff to riddell? [04:03] Hobbsee, just the link to the bug (Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ksudoku/+bug/6485) [04:03] Hobbsee, all he needs is the debdiff [04:03] https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485 [04:03] ah, i see [04:03] well, Riddell https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485 :P [04:04] I never understood quite how they do it from just a debdiff (easily), but that's all the motu team ever asks for [04:04] ah ok === Hobbsee watches as thunderbolts fall from the sky and my computer explodes into a puff of smoke and fire [04:06] seth_k|lappy: same as any other patch === Riddell compiles [04:06] :) [04:07] ah Riddell, so you still have to yoink the source and such [04:07] I thought there was maybe a magic system where you could upload just a debdiff [04:07] seth_k|lappy: no, apt-get source foo; patch -p0 < foo.debdiff [04:08] yeah, gotcha. That's how I'd do a normal patch, so good to know [04:10] looks good, uploading [04:10] only issue was not including the beastie URL in the changelog :) [04:10] eek! [04:10] lol [04:10] which? [04:10] Hobbsee, the link to the bug that you filed :P [04:10] oh [04:11] sorry, I forgot that part [04:11] good job Hobbsee ;) [04:11] teprrr: kdebase uploaded with fix you wanted [04:11] good job to you too! [04:11] lol [04:12] Riddell, oh. thanks a lot! :) [04:13] Hobbsee, you'll get mail from katie telling you if it was okay [04:13] ok [04:13] (if Riddell left your e-mail on it, which I like him to do :P) [04:13] (for me that is) [04:13] ah right [04:14] woohoo - spam on my gmail account lol [04:15] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004323.html [04:16] :D [04:18] hmm, how long it take that the package will be available from archive.ubuntu.com? [04:19] teprrr, you can watch the build logs; it'll appear shortly after [04:19] oh, where are the logs available? [04:19] ksudoku's there, it looks like [04:20] teprrr, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/ [04:22] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [04:22] xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [04:22] xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [04:22] failed :P [04:22] sounds like a give-back [04:23] it'll just idle in the queue until imake can be installed again === LaserJock [n=mantha@adsl-69-104-117-209.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:23] mmkay :p [04:23] sounds more like a we need someone to maintain X [04:24] sounds scary === claydoh [n=clay@65.99.186.24] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:37] http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1395 when you have time and don't mind, Riddell. Thanks [04:37] klearlook? [04:38] ah, gotcha :) [04:38] I thought it was klearlooks, but no :) [04:41] nope, it's called klearlook, even though the gtk one is clearlooks. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717 [04:41] yup, googled for it.. it looks way too plastik like but not as cute as plastik :P [04:42] i rather like it [04:42] teprrr, it resemble the default Gnome theme [04:43] seth_k|lappy, yup, I know [05:36] seth_k|lappy: is there a quick way to find what else hasnt built properly, and needs looking at, like ksudoku did? [05:37] Hobbsee, I don't know of one. Ask -motu, methinks. [05:37] ok [05:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: buildlogs [05:38] \sh, what's the link for the recent logs? lamont's just has them alphabetically so it's hard to see what is failing [05:38] \sh: i was more meaning a way to sort the build logs as to what has been packaged properly, and doesnt work yet [05:39] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html [05:39] <\sh> this is the lates [05:39] ah, by date! [05:39] thanks \sh [05:39] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/ for past logs [05:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: well if something is packaged properly but doesn't work or build means there is something wrong with upstream source [05:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: build errors you can see in the buildlogs as well as ftbfs errors of the source.. [05:40] right [05:41] ah ha! that was what i was looking for, thanks \sh! [05:57] Riddell: you still around? [05:57] hmmm...idle for an hour, guess not [06:04] Riddell: have a look on today's qt's build log [06:05] Riddell: the qt-immoudle have not been patched === spstarr_home [n=spstarr@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:25] hrm, kicker just died with SIGILL [06:26] again maximizing kmail and clicking an email does it sometimes ;/ [06:26] #4 0x0830e518 in ?? () [06:26] #5 0xb7277d7c in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 [06:26] #6 0xb7277f6e in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 [06:26] #7 0xb793c6ad in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 [06:26] #8 0xb72087dd in QApplication::sendSpontaneousEvent () [06:26] from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 <-- [06:27] not useful debug [06:29] bye all - got to go to work === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5365.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-108-44.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-108-44.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-108-44.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === SlimG [n=robert@84.205.58.248] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:40] sorry for interupting in your chat, i was wondering if someone knows if the kubuntu (kde) translation will be moved over to rosetta (launchpad.org)? [07:41] SlimG, much of it already is [07:42] SlimG, there is a patch we include in KDE packages the next time we touch them; it allows the .pot files to be exported to Rosetta for translation. [07:42] so you should start to see some KDE apps available, especially the big popular ones. [07:43] i found som kde packages like koffice, but I wasn't alowed to translate it for some reason === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:45] does the translation team leader need to accept the translation or is every app in rosetta available for any translator disregarding of status? [07:47] crimsun, do you know? SlimG is trying to translate KDE apps and getting denied. [07:48] seth_k|lappy: I don't know offhand; try asking in #ubuntu-devel [in ~6 hours] [07:48] (I have a backlog of ~700 e-mails) [07:48] whoa [07:51] when trying to translate koffice dapper i get this: No Translatable Templates Available [07:51] im a noob, so this doesn't give me much info :P === Mez growls at a bug === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-001-003.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.185.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === flosoft [n=admin@213.219.186.185.adslpower.by.edpnet.be] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [09:14] Riddell: ping === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-122-189.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@wbs-196-2-101-239.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@wbs-196-2-119-135.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-119-135.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@196.Red-83-32-3.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] good almost noon [11:18] i have gotten roughly 0 feedback for the adept alpha... [11:18] anything? [11:19] hmm, actually, i'll ask again later, will have to go soon [11:40] mornfall: I am motivated to alpha test adept [11:41] mornfall: I downloaded it from playground and tried to compile it yesterday [11:41] mornfall: but runned over an error when ./configure [11:41] mornfall: apparently, it was because of libtag or libapt-front === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-251-204.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] wb allee [11:55] jpatrick: hi and bye. Need to prepare lunch ;) [11:56] yum :9 [12:07] Riddell: lovely Kleansweep package waiting at REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1404 [12:20] always good to notice at morning that shell servers is been rebooted at night === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] hi Hobbsee [12:30] Hobbsee o7 === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-157.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] hey jpatrick and Tm_T :) === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-113-230.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-113-230.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@wbs-196-2-114-159.wbs.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] night all [02:15] JRe: it is in dapper === mornfall runs to office [02:15] laters :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] hi [03:33] hi Tonio_ [03:33] fine ? [03:33] busy busy [03:34] I'm hill, didn't go work today.... [03:34] I just woke up [03:34] Riddell: hi [03:35] hi freeflying_ [03:35] morning all [03:35] freeflying_: how would I give you money for postage? [03:35] freeflying_: I don't know how to put money on a credit card [03:36] Riddell: libqt3-mt have not been patched with qt-immodule [03:37] Riddell: I've check the buildlog of todays [03:37] freeflying_: debian/patches/kubuntu_01_immodule_unified.dpatch is the patch [03:37] Riddell: But I can not found it in buildlog [03:38] freeflying_: hmmmmm... yes... [03:38] Riddell: as for the postage , i'll consult someone in bank , then tell you later [03:39] http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php [03:39] hh, very nice ;) [03:40] freeflying_: patches were missing from 00list. very strange, compiling now [03:40] Riddell: have this backport to breezy [03:41] freeflying_: is that a question or a statement? [03:42] Riddell: question [03:42] freeflying_: I don't really have time to backport it to breezy. hasn't someone already done that? [03:43] Riddell: qt in breezy now have not been patched with qt-immodule yet [03:44] Riddell: it's seem scim-qtimm will not be included in dapper [03:45] freeflying_: why will it not be in dapper? [03:46] Riddell: upstream freeze will come Jan, 19 [03:47] freeflying_: still two weeks to go :) [03:50] Riddell: you've said you would have a investigation about skim , and how about it [03:51] freeflying_: I'm compiling qt with qt-immodule now, what else do I need to do? [03:52] Riddell: I've talked with you about skim as default CJK input method [03:53] Riddell: you told me you would have a investigation [03:53] freeflying_: we need to get scim into main, then get skim into main [03:53] freeflying_: the trouble with that is that none of the people who can do that know how to use CJK [03:54] but I think if enough users point out it's important it can be done [03:55] Riddell: where shall we do it , a poll in forum or users ml or devel ml [03:57] freeflying_: maybe at a technical board meeting [03:58] freeflying_: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/205 [03:58] jan 17th [03:58] Riddell: Sh we add it to agenda [03:59] s/Sh/shall [03:59] freeflying_: yes, do. then bring the whole ubuntu-cn community to the meeting and ask to have scim and skim in main [04:00] Riddell: got it , I;ll invite all cjk locoteam here . hmm [04:00] Riddell: thx [04:02] freeflying_: thanks for working on this, we need your help to get it happening [04:03] Riddell: if kubuntu support chinese better , there will be more and more people in chinese can use it [04:03] yes :) [04:06] Tonio_: I should get some of those :) [04:07] I asked for 10 each.... [04:07] Riddell: just wondering, isn't the commercial use of the logo forbidden without canonical permission ? === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D0750.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:07] Tonio_: hmm, good point, it is a trademark [04:08] yup [04:08] Tonio_: ok, we'll buy some then we'll sue them :) [04:08] note that he isn't gonna become billionaire with this [04:08] Riddell: hahaha === Tonio_ just dreaming [04:08] imagine one of those provided with the shipped cds... [04:08] would be nice ;) [04:09] but expensive, so.... [04:10] what are you guys talking about? [04:11] http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php [04:11] http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=162786#p162786 [04:11] here are some photos [04:11] I really like the concept [04:12] Riddell: back to konq profiles [04:12] I've finished the menus, and now working on the toolbars [04:13] no problem wor you if there are two toolbars on two line ? [04:13] Tonio_: for file manager and web browsing we shoudl have only 1 toolbar [04:13] if kpdf uses a second that's fine [04:14] Riddell: the problem is I didn't find a solution to display tat second bar only when a kpart is used.... [04:14] it is display, whenever empty, or not displayed at all [04:14] so if you now an option that allows this.... [04:15] another solution is to have that bar on the same line.... [04:15] but it wouldn't feet nice without a big resolution... [04:17] let me show you a screenshot [04:31] Riddell: have you got my post address? [04:33] Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture3.png [04:33] here is the result when I'm supposedly browsing a pdf file [04:33] the result is nice [04:33] but.... [04:33] http://planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png [04:33] here is what is shown by default..... the kpart used to browsed html is merged too.... [04:34] so by the way, using two bars, one with back, next, home + the merged part, and another one with the address bar and search engine, is certainly more convenient [04:34] the other solution is too not merge and keep it as it is actually [04:35] on breezy [04:41] Riddell: and here is another solution : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png [04:41] not what you expect but probably better than the other one if we wanna keep the kpart integration to menus.... [04:42] now you decide, you're the boss ;) [04:42] Tonio_: I say keep the current way and just don't have the toolbar buttons for pdfs [04:42] which isn't idea I know [04:42] okay [04:43] note that it isn't only for pdfs, but for gzip files, images etc..... [04:43] yeah [04:43] not very important for the web profile [04:43] but for filemanagement, I think it is a big miss not to have that.... [04:46] Tonio_: when happens if we remove all the buttons from capture4 so it's empty by default? [04:47] let me show you [04:50] Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture7.png [04:50] here it is [04:50] by emptying the khtmlpart kpart, I can get this [04:50] not very, very nice, but it could be a compromise [04:51] the ideal thing would be to dissable the khtmlkpart, but I don't think that's possible [04:53] I personnaly dislike capture7 renderring [04:53] yuck [04:55] another solution would be to play with two rc files [04:55] isn't there some way to get it to not display that empty toolbar? [04:55] Riddell: no, because it depends the kparts installed on the system [04:56] it merges them automacitally depending the context [04:56] for example the kget kpart is merged for me because I have it installed... [04:56] what would be empty for me would be empty for another guy etc... [04:57] solution -> indexing all kparts and set a configuration for all of them ;) [04:57] another wolution would be to play with two rc files [04:57] one limited for webbrosing [04:57] the other, more advanced, for filemanagement [04:58] that would feet the menus on two lines, when only one is used with webbrosing [04:58] but I dunno if that's possible.... [04:58] to me the rc file is the same for all profiles [04:58] it's possible it's just not reliable since I often start the webbrowsing konqueror to view files [04:58] pkay... [04:58] also the session restore bug would stop it working across sessions [04:58] s/pkay/okay [04:59] hmh [04:59] may I ask a few (non geeks) personns their feeling ? [04:59] I'm enclined to keep everything simple and just not display the buttons, I don't think i've had any complaints about it in breezy [04:59] anyone have tried Zeta livecd 1.1? [04:59] sure, ask around [04:59] looks like they crippled dhcp in it [04:59] the window menu though I've had complaints about [04:59] the problem is, "does simplification implies loosing functionnalities ?" [05:00] Riddell: I can remove the options there, no problem [05:00] It is simplified actually, but I can place it's options on the other menus [05:01] Riddell: I personnaly had complains with breezy concerning personns that had already use konq or hoary before [05:01] Riddell: of course new users are okay, they don't know what is potentially usefull and missing, so............ [05:02] aka: the girl you didn't have to time to fall in love with will not miss you ;) [05:02] evidence ;) [05:03] but if you've seen it once, hard to do without her ^^ [05:07] :) [05:07] the functions are all available from the menu but I agree loosing stuff like zoom on pdfs in the toolbars is a pain [05:08] that's my problem :) [05:09] or arkalso..... [05:09] how many times did I double click a tar.gz file [05:10] and then I had to go back to the upper level to right click on it.... [05:10]