[01:05] <teprrr> hello there.. would it be possible to include "focus addressbar on start" patch for konqueror in dapper?
[01:05] <teprrr> before 3.5.1 release, if possible.. it's pretty annoying atm.
[01:09] <Tm_T> true
[01:14] <sebas> OTOH, such a change in a stable release might be even more annoying.
[01:23] <Riddell> teprrr: where's the patch?
[01:24] <Riddell> teprrr: if it's in 3.5.1 it's mostly likely 3.5.1 will go into dapper
[01:24] <teprrr> sebas, such a change? hmm, well, afaik it's always been that the addressbar has gotten the focus on startup
[01:25] <teprrr> Riddell, yeah, but it'll take some time.. not possible to have this one patch included? would make life a lot easier..
[01:25] <teprrr> and yes, it's in brach. got there day after the release or so
[01:25] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, do you have op-granting powers in #kubuntu-offtopic, or do I need to bug nalioth instead?
[01:26] <sebas> teprrr: It changes behaviour significantly...
[01:26] <teprrr> it's a one-liner
[01:26] <sebas> Ow wait ... dapper.
[01:26] <sebas> Nevermind ... :D
[01:26] <teprrr> sebas, yeah, it used to work, but now I have to press f6 or move mouse to the addressbar and click it to write the address
[01:27] <teprrr> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=117031 -- there's the patch
[01:28] <Riddell> alt-o works for me
[01:28] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: think you need to bug nalioth over that one...
[01:28] <seth_k|lappy> it's a deal
[01:29] <teprrr> ctrl-o gets the dialog, which isn't a great idea either :/
[01:30] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: what's up?
[01:31] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: looks like you need to talk to nalioth.  I can 0wn it if needed but it takes time (need to contact freenode)
[01:31] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, no problem
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, polyester got into the archive after a couple rounds of give-back
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> anything new you'd like?
[01:32] <seth_k|lappy> I did another kde-style last night, so I'm free now to do another goodie
[01:32] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: package kde-hal-device-manager if you like :)
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> uh oh, Python crack
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> I'll have to get out the manual on that one :) but will give it a try
[01:33] <Riddell> it's got zero buildsystem and you need to do python things, I'd like to get it into hal proper actu
[01:33] <Riddell> actually so it may not be worth it
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> hmmm
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, I'd say with the amount of reading I'd have to do, for possibly minimal gain... no
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[01:34] <teprrr> so, are you pushing new packages to dapper atm?
[01:34] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: why does it suddenly feel like -offtopic is about to get into massive trouble?
[01:34] <teprrr> like this kde-hal-device-manager? :)
[01:35] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, that's why I was preemptively asking for ops
[01:35] <Riddell> teprrr: anything you have we can package :)
[01:35] <Riddell> although Hobbsee is still working on the asciiquarium screensaver
[01:35] <Hobbsee> er....yes....sorta...lol
[01:36] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, I'm free atm, gimmie something to fulfill the package-crack shakes :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> how long do i have to do it?
[01:36] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, just hit me up sometime :)
[01:36] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: will do - but when i'm awake enough to do anything, you're not here lol!
[01:36] <teprrr> Riddell, seth_k|lappy, well, this device-manager thingy would be cool to have :)
[01:37] <Riddell> teprrr: it's on kde-apps
[01:37] <teprrr> Riddell, any plans getting it into kdesvn?
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, sorry, 17 hour time diff :D
[01:37] <teprrr> Riddell, yes I know, but is there package?
[01:37] <Riddell> teprrr: I'll try and get it into hal I think
[01:37] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: well, if you'd catch up with the world lol!  
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, it's 11 am for you isn't it?
[01:37] <Riddell> no package yet
[01:37] <teprrr> Riddell, ah. ookay
[01:37] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, you should be raring to go!
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yes, it is
[01:38] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you wanting kubuntu CDs?
[01:38] <seth_k|lappy> okay, okay. I admit it, me too.
[01:38] <Hobbsee> me?  wasnt planning on it, was planning on creating a pbuilder before that
[01:39] <Hobbsee> hence i can screw up my system with it, and then reinstall with the latest daily cd and test it at the same time
[01:40] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I have real breezy CDs if you have a lug or anything to hand them out at
[01:42] <teprrr> oh, btw, why k(m)player isn't packaged for kubuntu?
[01:44] <Riddell> teprrr: probably the mplayer dependency has kept them out of debian
[01:44] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: fancy investigating?
[01:44] <teprrr> ah, yes, but it supports xine too, afaik
[01:44] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, sure, sounds good
[01:45] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, this one? http://kmplayer.kde.org/
[01:45] <teprrr> seth_k|lappy, yup. and http://kplayer.sf.net either isn't in
[01:46] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, which one is better
[01:46] <seth_k|lappy> ?
[01:46] <seth_k|lappy> or are they simply different? :P
[01:46] <Riddell> I think one also allows for xine, not sure which
[01:47] <teprrr> kmplayer can use xine, yes
[01:47] <teprrr> and it's mainly for embedding into konqueror and other apps
[01:47] <teprrr> kplayer is standalone app
[01:47] <seth_k|lappy> right, I think I'll play with kmplayer first
[01:47] <seth_k|lappy> kpart goodness and all
[01:47] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell: it can handle gstreamer too
[01:48] <seth_k|lappy> so we would prefer that, yes?
[01:48] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: oooh!
[01:48] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: if you tell me it handled gstreamer 0.10 you get a pony
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hehe, Riddell's getting excited here!
[01:49] <seth_k|lappy> I already get a pony! for polyester!
[01:49] <Hobbsee> you get another one?
[01:51] <seth_k|lappy> hmm
[01:53] <Hobbsee> ok, this is the part where my pbuilder broke last time...wonder how it will work this time
[01:56] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: thinking about before, while this builds, if i'm around in -offtopic, i can op you, but i cant add you to the access list
[01:57] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, I'm access'd now
[01:57] <Hobbsee> ok :)
[01:57] <seth_k|lappy> thanks though :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> no problems
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hey wow!  pbuilder is building properly this time!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> you didnt have to give me such a hard package!
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: asciiquarium seems to require libterm-animation-perl which is not packaged, but which is available at http://www.cpan.org/authors/id/K/KB/KBAUCOM/Term-Animation-2.1.tar.gz - what should be done?
[03:14] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, how would ksudoku be in Debian, but not Ubuntu?
[03:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: um, erk
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:16] <Hobbsee> that's what i thought!
[03:16] <Riddell> Hobbsee: sorry :)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> i'll forgive you - this time
[03:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I suggest that unless you want to move straigh onto perl module packaging you just install libterm-animation-perl locally and finish asciiquarium if you can with a note that it needs someone to package that module too
[03:17] <Hobbsee> right
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Riddell: depends, how much harder is it to do the perl module packaging as well?  or dont i even want to think about it?
[03:19] <Riddell> Hobbsee: no idea.. I've never packaged one 
[03:19] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/k/ksudoku/0.3-3/
[03:19] <Riddell> failed to build
[03:19] <Hobbsee> great
[03:19] <Riddell> fixes welcome :)
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, you want it, or shall I?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> dont mind, but i'll do it if you help me with it
[03:20] <seth_k|lappy> you got it
[03:20] <Hobbsee> seeing as otherwise i wont get too far!
[03:20] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:22] <Hobbsee> ok, it looks like i might just be able to manage this one lol!
[03:41] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, kmplayer doesn't work with gstreamer0.10 :(
[03:42] <Hobbsee> no pony for you then, clearly :P
[03:43] <seth_k|lappy> :'(
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, still about? Hobbsee will have a goodie for you in about 5 minutes
[03:54] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> worse than mine
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i'm sure it's better not to think about them
[03:55] <seth_k|lappy> failing Riddell being here, we'll go poke \ sh (space to avoid pinging)
[03:55] <seth_k|lappy> he likes KDE stuff
[03:58] <Hobbsee> *nods*
[03:59] <Riddell> hmm?
[03:59] <seth_k|lappy> haha, he's still here
[03:59] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, you need to sleep more
[04:00] <Riddell> tell me about it
[04:00] <seth_k|lappy> Riddell, I helped Hobbsee patch ksudoku, and she's uploading a debdiff
[04:00] <seth_k|lappy> want to upload it for her? ;)
[04:00] <Riddell> sure
[04:00] <Hobbsee> that's if the browsers all stop crashing on me...
[04:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: while you're waiting, when's the next flight cd supposed to be?
[04:01] <Riddell> Hobbsee: not too sure, I'll ask kamion tomorrow
[04:01] <Hobbsee> ok
[04:01] <Hobbsee> or i'll go look it up, either way
[04:01] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: ok, which bits am i uploading?  the usual?
[04:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: send me your address if you want a big box of kubuntu CDs
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, looks good to me
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, all you need to upload is the debdiff
[04:02] <Riddell> Hobbsee: look up where?
[04:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: I'll send you my adrress this afternoon .
[04:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: wiki somewhere, thought i saw it before
[04:03] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: but which stuff to riddell?
[04:03] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, just the link to the bug (Riddell, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/ksudoku/+bug/6485)
[04:03] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, all he needs is the debdiff
[04:03] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485
[04:03] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[04:03] <Hobbsee> well, Riddell https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6485 :P
[04:04] <seth_k|lappy> I never understood quite how they do it from just a debdiff (easily), but that's all the motu team ever asks for
[04:04] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[04:06] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: same as any other patch
[04:06] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:07] <seth_k|lappy> ah Riddell, so you still have to yoink the source and such
[04:07] <seth_k|lappy> I thought there was maybe a magic system where you could upload just a debdiff
[04:07] <Riddell> seth_k|lappy: no, apt-get source foo; patch -p0 < foo.debdiff
[04:08] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, gotcha. That's how I'd do a normal patch, so good to know
[04:10] <Riddell> looks good, uploading
[04:10] <Riddell> only issue was not including the beastie URL in the changelog :)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> eek!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> lol
[04:10] <Hobbsee> which?
[04:10] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, the link to the bug that you filed :P
[04:10] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:11] <seth_k|lappy> sorry, I forgot that part
[04:11] <seth_k|lappy> good job Hobbsee ;)
[04:11] <Riddell> teprrr: kdebase uploaded with fix you wanted
[04:11] <Hobbsee> good job to you too!
[04:11] <seth_k|lappy> lol
[04:12] <teprrr> Riddell, oh. thanks a lot! :)
[04:13] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, you'll get mail from katie telling you if it was okay
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ok
[04:13] <seth_k|lappy> (if Riddell left your e-mail on it, which I like him to do :P)
[04:13] <seth_k|lappy> (for me that is)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> ah right
[04:14] <Hobbsee> woohoo - spam on my gmail account lol
[04:15] <seth_k|lappy> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004323.html
[04:16] <Hobbsee> :D
[04:18] <teprrr> hmm, how long it take that the package will be available from archive.ubuntu.com?
[04:19] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, you can watch the build logs; it'll appear shortly after
[04:19] <teprrr> oh, where are the logs available?
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ksudoku's there, it looks like
[04:20] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/
[04:22] <teprrr> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:22] <teprrr>   xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed
[04:22] <teprrr>   xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed
[04:22] <teprrr> failed :P
[04:22] <seth_k|lappy> sounds like a give-back
[04:23] <seth_k|lappy> it'll just idle in the queue until imake can be installed again
[04:23] <teprrr> mmkay :p
[04:23] <Riddell> sounds more like a we need someone to maintain X 
[04:24] <Hobbsee> sounds scary
[04:37] <seth_k|lappy> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1395 when you have time and don't mind, Riddell. Thanks
[04:37] <teprrr> klearlook?
[04:38] <teprrr> ah, gotcha :)
[04:38] <teprrr> I thought it was klearlooks, but no :)
[04:41] <seth_k|lappy> nope, it's called klearlook, even though the gtk one is clearlooks. http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31717
[04:41] <teprrr> yup, googled for it.. it looks way too plastik like but not as cute as plastik :P
[04:42] <Hobbsee> i rather like it
[04:42] <seth_k|lappy> teprrr, it resemble the default Gnome theme
[04:43] <teprrr> seth_k|lappy, yup, I know
[05:36] <Hobbsee> seth_k|lappy: is there a quick way to find what else hasnt built properly, and needs looking at, like ksudoku did? 
[05:37] <seth_k|lappy> Hobbsee, I don't know of one. Ask -motu, methinks.
[05:37] <Hobbsee> ok
[05:37] <\sh> Hobbsee: buildlogs
[05:38] <seth_k|lappy> \sh, what's the link for the recent logs? lamont's just has them alphabetically so it's hard to see what is failing
[05:38] <Hobbsee> \sh: i was more meaning a way to sort the build logs as to what has been packaged properly, and doesnt work yet
[05:39] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/today.html 
[05:39] <\sh> this is the lates
[05:39] <seth_k|lappy> ah, by date!
[05:39] <seth_k|lappy> thanks \sh
[05:39] <\sh> people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/byDate/<date in form YYYYMMDD> for past logs
[05:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: well if something is packaged properly but doesn't work or build means there is something wrong with upstream source
[05:40] <\sh> Hobbsee: build errors you can see in the buildlogs as well as ftbfs errors of the source..
[05:40] <Hobbsee> right
[05:41] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  that was what i was looking for, thanks \sh!
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you still around?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hmmm...idle for an hour, guess not
[06:04] <freeflying_> Riddell: have a look on today's qt's build log
[06:05] <freeflying_> Riddell: the qt-immoudle have not been patched 
[06:25] <spstarr_home> hrm, kicker just died with SIGILL
[06:26] <spstarr_home> again maximizing kmail and clicking an email does it sometimes ;/
[06:26] <spstarr_home> #4  0x0830e518 in ?? ()
[06:26] <spstarr_home> #5  0xb7277d7c in QApplication::internalNotify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[06:26] <spstarr_home> #6  0xb7277f6e in QApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3
[06:26] <spstarr_home> #7  0xb793c6ad in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4
[06:26] <spstarr_home> #8  0xb72087dd in QApplication::sendSpontaneousEvent ()
[06:26] <spstarr_home>    from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 <--
[06:27] <spstarr_home> not useful debug
[06:29] <Hobbsee> bye all - got to go to work
[07:40] <SlimG> sorry for interupting in your chat, i was wondering if someone knows if the kubuntu (kde) translation will be moved over to rosetta (launchpad.org)?
[07:41] <seth_k|lappy> SlimG, much of it already is
[07:42] <seth_k|lappy> SlimG, there is a patch we include in KDE packages the next time we touch them; it allows the .pot files to be exported to Rosetta for translation.
[07:42] <seth_k|lappy> so you should start to see some KDE apps available, especially the big popular ones.
[07:43] <SlimG> i found som kde packages like koffice, but I wasn't alowed to translate it for some reason
[07:45] <SlimG> does the translation team leader need to accept the translation or is every app in rosetta available for any translator disregarding of status?
[07:47] <seth_k|lappy> crimsun, do you know? SlimG is trying to translate KDE apps and getting denied.
[07:48] <crimsun> seth_k|lappy: I don't know offhand; try asking in #ubuntu-devel [in ~6 hours] 
[07:48] <crimsun> (I have a backlog of ~700 e-mails)
[07:48] <seth_k|lappy> whoa
[07:51] <SlimG> when trying to translate koffice dapper i get this: No Translatable Templates Available
[07:51] <SlimG> im a noob, so this doesn't give me much info :P
[09:14] <freeflying_> Riddell: ping 
[11:18] <mornfall> good almost noon
[11:18] <mornfall> i have gotten roughly 0 feedback for the adept alpha...
[11:18] <mornfall> anything?
[11:19] <mornfall> hmm, actually, i'll ask again later, will have to go soon
[11:40] <JRe> mornfall: I am motivated to alpha test adept
[11:41] <JRe> mornfall: I downloaded it from playground and tried to compile it yesterday
[11:41] <JRe> mornfall: but runned over an error when ./configure
[11:41] <JRe> mornfall: apparently, it was because of libtag or libapt-front
[11:54] <jpatrick> wb allee 
[11:55] <allee> jpatrick: hi and bye.  Need to prepare lunch ;)
[11:56] <jpatrick> yum :9
[12:07] <jpatrick> Riddell: lovely Kleansweep package waiting at REVU: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1404
[12:20] <Tm_T> always good to notice at morning that shell servers is been rebooted at night
[12:29] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee 
[12:30] <Tm_T> Hobbsee o7
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hey jpatrick and Tm_T :)
[02:09] <Hobbsee> night all
[02:15] <mornfall> JRe: it is in dapper
[02:15] <mornfall> laters :)
[03:33] <Tonio_> hi
[03:33] <Riddell> hi Tonio_ 
[03:33] <Tonio_> fine ?
[03:33] <Riddell> busy busy
[03:34] <Tonio_> I'm hill, didn't go work today....
[03:34] <Tonio_> I just woke up
[03:34] <freeflying_> Riddell: hi
[03:35] <Riddell> hi freeflying_ 
[03:35] <jjesse> morning all
[03:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: how would I give you money for postage?
[03:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: I don't know how to put money on a credit card
[03:36] <freeflying_> Riddell: libqt3-mt have not been patched with qt-immodule
[03:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: I've check the buildlog of todays
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying_: debian/patches/kubuntu_01_immodule_unified.dpatch is the patch
[03:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: But I can not found it in buildlog
[03:38] <Riddell> freeflying_: hmmmmm... yes...
[03:38] <freeflying_> Riddell: as for the postage , i'll consult someone in bank , then tell you later
[03:39] <Tonio_> http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php
[03:39] <Tonio_> hh, very nice ;)
[03:40] <Riddell> freeflying_: patches were missing from 00list.  very strange, compiling now
[03:40] <freeflying_> Riddell: have this backport to breezy 
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: is that a question or a statement?
[03:42] <freeflying_> Riddell: question
[03:42] <Riddell> freeflying_: I don't really have time to backport it to breezy.  hasn't someone already done that?
[03:43] <freeflying_> Riddell:  qt in breezy now have not been patched with qt-immodule yet
[03:44] <freeflying_> Riddell: it's seem scim-qtimm will not be included in dapper 
[03:45] <Riddell> freeflying_: why will it not be in dapper?
[03:46] <freeflying_> Riddell: upstream freeze will come Jan, 19
[03:47] <Riddell> freeflying_: still two weeks to go :)
[03:50] <freeflying_> Riddell: you've said you would have a investigation about skim , and how about it 
[03:51] <Riddell> freeflying_: I'm compiling qt with qt-immodule now, what else do I need to do?
[03:52] <freeflying_> Riddell: I've talked with you about skim as default CJK input method 
[03:53] <freeflying_> Riddell: you told me you would have a investigation 
[03:53] <Riddell> freeflying_: we need to get scim into main, then get skim into main
[03:53] <Riddell> freeflying_: the trouble with that is that none of the people who can do that know how to use CJK
[03:54] <Riddell> but I think if enough users point out it's important it can be done
[03:55] <freeflying_> Riddell:  where shall we do it , a poll in forum or users ml or devel ml
[03:57] <Riddell> freeflying_: maybe at a technical board meeting
[03:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/205
[03:58] <Riddell> jan 17th
[03:58] <freeflying_> Riddell:  Sh we add it to agenda
[03:59] <freeflying_> s/Sh/shall
[03:59] <Riddell> freeflying_: yes, do.  then bring the whole ubuntu-cn community to the meeting and ask to have scim and skim in main
[04:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: got it , I;ll invite all cjk locoteam here . hmm
[04:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: thx
[04:02] <Riddell> freeflying_: thanks for working on this, we need your help to get it happening
[04:03] <freeflying_> Riddell: if kubuntu support chinese better , there will be more and more people in chinese can use it 
[04:03] <Riddell> yes :)
[04:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: I should get some of those :)
[04:07] <Tonio_> I asked for 10 each....
[04:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: just wondering, isn't the commercial use of the logo forbidden without canonical permission ?
[04:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, good point, it is a trademark
[04:08] <Tonio_> yup
[04:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, we'll buy some then we'll sue them :)
[04:08] <Tonio_> note that he isn't gonna become billionaire with this
[04:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: hahaha
[04:08] <Tonio_> imagine one of those provided with the shipped cds...
[04:08] <Tonio_> would be nice ;)
[04:09] <Tonio_> but expensive, so....
[04:10] <jjesse> what are you guys talking about?
[04:11] <Riddell> http://www.lx-networks.de/sticker.php
[04:11] <Tonio_> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=162786#p162786
[04:11] <Tonio_> here are some photos
[04:11] <Tonio_> I really like the concept
[04:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: back to konq profiles
[04:12] <Tonio_> I've finished the menus, and now working on the toolbars
[04:13] <Tonio_> no problem wor you if there are two toolbars on two line ?
[04:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: for file manager and web browsing we shoudl have only 1 toolbar
[04:13] <Riddell> if kpdf uses a second that's fine
[04:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is I didn't find a solution to display tat second bar only when a kpart is used....
[04:14] <Tonio_> it is display, whenever empty, or not displayed at all
[04:14] <Tonio_> so if you now an option that allows this....
[04:15] <Tonio_> another solution is to have that bar on the same line....
[04:15] <Tonio_> but it wouldn't feet nice without a big resolution...
[04:17] <Tonio_> let me show you a screenshot
[04:31] <freeflying_> Riddell: have you got my post address?
[04:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture3.png
[04:33] <Tonio_> here is the result when I'm supposedly browsing a pdf file
[04:33] <Tonio_> the result is nice
[04:33] <Tonio_> but....
[04:33] <Tonio_> http://planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png
[04:33] <Tonio_> here is what is shown by default..... the kpart used to browsed html is merged too....
[04:34] <Tonio_> so by the way, using two bars, one with back, next, home + the merged part, and another one with the address bar and search engine, is certainly more convenient
[04:34] <Tonio_> the other solution is too not merge and keep it as it is actually
[04:35] <Tonio_> on breezy
[04:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: and here is another solution : http://planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png
[04:41] <Tonio_> not what you expect but probably better than the other one if we wanna keep the kpart integration to menus....
[04:42] <Tonio_> now you decide, you're the boss ;)
[04:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: I say keep the current way and just don't have the toolbar buttons for pdfs
[04:42] <Riddell> which isn't idea I know
[04:42] <Tonio_> okay
[04:43] <Tonio_> note that it isn't only for pdfs, but for gzip files, images etc.....
[04:43] <Riddell> yeah
[04:43] <Tonio_> not very important for the web profile
[04:43] <Tonio_> but for filemanagement, I think it is a big miss not to have that....
[04:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: when happens if we remove all the buttons from capture4 so it's empty by default?
[04:47] <Tonio_> let me show you
[04:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://planetemu.net/temp/capture7.png
[04:50] <Tonio_> here it is
[04:50] <Tonio_> by emptying the khtmlpart kpart, I can get this
[04:50] <Tonio_> not very, very nice, but it could be a compromise
[04:51] <Tonio_> the ideal thing would be to dissable the khtmlkpart, but I don't think that's possible
[04:53] <Tonio_> I personnaly dislike capture7 renderring
[04:53] <Riddell> yuck
[04:55] <Tonio_> another solution would be to play with two rc files
[04:55] <Riddell> isn't there some way to get it to not display that empty toolbar?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: no, because it depends the kparts installed on the system
[04:56] <Tonio_> it merges them automacitally depending the context
[04:56] <Tonio_> for example the kget kpart is merged for me because I have it installed...
[04:56] <Tonio_> what would be empty for me would be empty for another guy etc...
[04:57] <Tonio_> solution -> indexing all kparts and set a configuration for all of them ;)
[04:57] <Tonio_> another wolution would be to play with two rc files
[04:57] <Tonio_> one limited for webbrosing
[04:57] <Tonio_> the other, more advanced, for filemanagement
[04:58] <Tonio_> that would feet the menus on two lines, when only one is used with webbrosing
[04:58] <Tonio_> but I dunno if that's possible....
[04:58] <Tonio_> to me the rc file is the same for all profiles
[04:58] <Riddell> it's possible it's just not reliable since I often start the webbrowsing konqueror to view files
[04:58] <Tonio_> pkay...
[04:58] <Riddell> also the session restore bug would stop it working across sessions
[04:58] <Tonio_> s/pkay/okay
[04:59] <Tm_T> hmh
[04:59] <Tonio_> may I ask a few (non geeks) personns their feeling ?
[04:59] <Riddell> I'm enclined to keep everything simple and just not display the buttons, I don't think i've had any complaints about it in breezy
[04:59] <Tm_T> anyone have tried Zeta livecd 1.1?
[04:59] <Riddell> sure, ask around 
[04:59] <Tm_T> looks like they crippled dhcp in it
[04:59] <Riddell> the window menu though I've had complaints about
[04:59] <Tonio_> the problem is, "does simplification implies loosing functionnalities ?"
[05:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can remove the options there, no problem
[05:00] <Tonio_> It is simplified actually, but I can place it's options on the other menus
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I personnaly had complains with breezy concerning personns that had already use konq or hoary before
[05:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course new users are okay, they don't know what is potentially usefull and missing, so............
[05:02] <Tonio_> aka: the girl you didn't have to time to fall in love with will not miss you ;)
[05:02] <Tonio_> evidence ;)
[05:03] <Tonio_> but if you've seen it once, hard to do without her ^^
[05:07] <Riddell> :)
[05:07] <Riddell> the functions are all available from the menu but I agree loosing stuff like zoom on pdfs in the toolbars is a pain
[05:08] <Tonio_> that's my problem :)
[05:09] <Tonio_> or arkalso.....
[05:09] <Tonio_> how many times did I double click a tar.gz file
[05:10] <Tonio_> and then I had to go back to the upper level to right click on it....
[05:10] <Tonio_> that's a pain
[05:10] <Tonio_> you have the options available on the "view" menu, but, well, it is :
[05:11] <Tonio_> - non logic to have that in "view"
[05:11] <Tonio_> - not very convenient to use....
[05:11] <Tonio_> I will discuss that toonight with a few people and let you know the global feeling
[05:11] <Tonio_> then you decide :)
[05:12] <Riddell> ok, thanks
[05:12] <Tonio_> no problem ;) just wanna help ^^
[06:50] <JRe> mornfall: adept crash
[06:50] <JRe> mornfall: when I try to fetch the updates
[06:51] <JRe> mornfall: (adept compiled on breezy)
[07:05] <mornfall> wibble
[07:05] <mornfall> JRe: which adept version?
[07:05] <mornfall> Riddell: i don't like joel bah :P
[07:06] <JRe> mornfall: the one from dapper
[07:06] <JRe> mornfall: but maybe it's an issue with breezy backporting
[07:06] <hunger> Is anyone having problems with dappers ksysguard? Cpufreq is not reported for me there for a while now.
[07:06] <JRe> i rebuilt apt, libapt-front,tagcoll
[07:07] <mornfall> JRe: backtrace somewhere?
[07:08] <JRe> mornfall: err no it does not launch anymore because of debtags wich FTBFS
[07:08] <JRe> (on breezy)
[07:09] <mornfall> it doesn't launch because of debtags?
[07:09] <mornfall> wha
[07:09] <JRe> mornfall: now it does not install anymore
[07:09] <JRe> mornfall: debtags don't build from dapper
[07:10] <JRe> mornfall: and i can't no more install the one from breezy because of apt
[07:10] <JRe> (I backported the apt from dapper inbreezy)
[07:10] <Riddell> mornfall: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21951 if you're looking for adept crashes
[07:10] <Riddell> mornfall: you have e-mail
[07:11] <JRe> mornfall: in short i will be soon forced to downgrade everything ;)
[07:13] <Riddell> JRe: you could upgrade to dapper
[07:14] <JRe> Riddell: it's not to unstable ATM? i am in exam session
[07:15] <mornfall> Riddell: a new one? not seeing it
[07:15] <mornfall> another useless backtrace bah
[07:16] <mornfall> Riddell: with joel i was referring to the fwd
[07:16] <mornfall> specs suck
[07:16] <mornfall> and joel apparently ate all the world's knowledge
[07:17] <mornfall> how am i supposed to write down detailed functionality of the damn thing
[07:26] <Riddell> JRe: it's really quite stable
[07:26] <jjesse> what about the adept guide that soemoene on the doc team wrote a couple of months back? does that help or does it now need a lot of updates?
[07:31] <mornfall> exams, don't remind me of exams
[07:31] <Tm_T> exams...
[07:31] <Tm_T> should do couple of tens this spring
[07:31] <mornfall> jjesse: is there some more recent version than i have?
[07:31] <mornfall> Tm_T: wha
[07:31] <jjesse> mornfall: nope
[07:31] <mornfall> ewgh
[07:31] <mornfall> i have 7
[07:32] <mornfall> jjesse: it's not very helpful... it wasn't very helpful for 1.0 either though
[07:32] <Tm_T> mornfall: yes, my bad I was sick when they were earlier
[07:32] <jjesse> mornfall: complete rewrite?
[07:32] <mornfall> tens of exams for a single term??
[07:32] <mornfall> jjesse: possibly not complete, but not trivial either
[07:37] <jjesse> mornfall: is adept at a point that we can start re-writing things? a lot going to change before dapper?  
[07:37] <jjesse> mornfall: should we include it in dapper or work to get it upstream?
[07:38] <mornfall> jjesse: ideally, it would go into kde svn...
[07:38] <mornfall> jjesse: ideally for me that is
[07:38] <mornfall> jjesse: as for state of matters, the main interface is not going to change much, but i'd probably avoid making screenshots or such
[07:38] <mornfall> jjesse: the interface principles should however stay close to what they currently are
[07:39] <jjesse> mornfall: then i will approach the orginal author again about re-writing/updating it and getting it into kde sv
[07:39] <jjesse> svn.
[07:41] <mornfall> jjesse: i think that the most important part is to document the "hidden" features -- those that are not readily "obvious" to the user
[07:41] <jjesse> mornfall: ok
[07:41] <mornfall> the current guide has lots of quite obvious stuff in it, IMO
[07:42] <jjesse> i haven't looked at it since it was first created/changed
[07:42] <jjesse> so i would have to relook at it.
[07:43] <jjesse> i contacted the author to see if he was still interested
[07:47] <mornfall> okey, thanks
[07:47] <mornfall> Riddell: i am redoing the spec
[07:47] <Riddell> mornfall: good luck
[08:08] <mornfall> Riddell: round one saved
[08:34] <mornfall> Riddell: second round saved
[08:35] <mornfall> Riddell: feel free to add use scenarios, just try to keep them not-overly-silly :-)
[08:35] <mornfall> i'll go home now
[08:35] <mornfall> laters :)
[08:40] <Riddell> ooh, lots of spec
[08:41] <Riddell> Lathiat: is the plan with avahi to have avahi daemon installed by default but turned off by default or just not installed?
[10:21] <jjesse> allee: ping 
[10:23] <allee> jjesse: pong
[10:23] <jjesse> allee: are you using qemu and if so do you networking working correctly?
[10:24] <allee> jjesse: heh, I saw your post ;)  I want the same thing as you.  Because I had only 64K connection I didn't test anymore.
[10:24] <jjesse> allee: if i install/create a dapper install and then do a sudo qemu -hda dapper.img i can't get an address from dhcp
[10:25] <jjesse> on my local lan
[10:25] <jjesse> :(
[10:25] <allee> jjesse: do you use the building or an external dhcp server?
[10:26] <jjesse> allee: external dhcp server, my LAN has a dhcp server 
[10:26] <jjesse> allee: that i want to use, so i can get out to the internet to update etc
[10:27] <allee> I plan to use guidegod to route the tun0. This works when I route my second laptop via the dialup on the first laptop. so I don't see a reason why it shoud not work with tun0 instead of eth0
[10:28] <allee> jjesse: the dhcp requests of qemu are send and seen on the tun0 interface.  So a dhcp server connected via lan to eth0 will not see them
[10:28] <allee> jjesse: you need a local on or a dhcp forwarder (or use the qemu buildin one)
[10:29] <jjesse> allee: is that with the -user-net option?
[10:34] <allee> jjesse: I only read about the build-in dhcp server.  I don't know how to activate him.  A look at qemu man page did not help :(
[10:35] <jjesse> allee: the users forum hasn't been very helpful, which is why i was trying to approach it through the group
[10:35] <allee> jjesse: at least the dhcp server isn't enalbed by default because a breezy install got no dhcp responce
[10:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: hi
[10:52] <raphink> Riddell: did you upload kalcul after advocating it?
[10:52] <Riddell> raphink: nope
[10:52] <raphink> Riddell: could you do it?
[10:52] <raphink> :)
[10:52] <Riddell> raphink: ok, but not just now am busy, please poke me if I don't get round to it todayish
[10:52] <raphink> ok
[10:52] <raphink> :)
[10:53] <\sh> raphink: which one?
[10:53] <raphink> \sh: kalcul
[10:53] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1412
[10:53] <\sh> una momenta :)
[10:53] <raphink> \sh: I talked with Isaac about wesnoth this morning
[10:54] <raphink> \sh: he said he was packaging wesnoth again and I insisted on him merging both patches
[10:54] <\sh> raphink: so we can sync it in the future
[10:54] <raphink> \sh: he'll work out the amd64 stuff at the same time, but not the way you did it it seems
[10:54] <raphink> and you weren't there at the time
[10:55] <\sh> raphink: well...for sure he is doing it another way...why should it be easy
[10:55] <raphink> oops
[10:55] <\sh> raphink: well...for sure he is doing it another way...why should it be easy
[10:56] <raphink> \sh: hehe
[10:56] <raphink> \sh: weel it seems he had begun to work on it before I asked him to merge it
[10:56] <\sh> then he must be faster :)
[10:56] <raphink> \sh: I took this opportunity to tell him how we work in Ubuntu
[10:56] <raphink> since he was telling me I could have fixed the -t switch stuff once and for all in my package
[10:57] <raphink> ;)
[10:57] <\sh> raphink: uploaded
[10:57] <raphink> I explained him how we work in merging packages and that we both gain in working together instead of duplicating work ;)
[10:57] <raphink> thanks \sh :)
[10:57] <raphink> \sh: this one has spent a long time on REVU, but it's up at last :)
[10:58] <\sh> i archived it now
[10:58] <raphink> thanks much :)
[10:58] <Hobbsee> morning all
[10:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: just discussing the profiles and I got a good idea from a windows user ;)
[11:01] <\sh> ok laters...
[11:05] <raphink> it seems konq-encrypt-menu got lost on the way
[11:05] <raphink> somewhere between REVU and NEW
[11:05] <raphink> or between NEW and the repos
[11:05] <raphink> :s
[11:08] <Riddell> raphink: I've not uploaded it I don't think
[11:08] <raphink> well version 0.1 was uploaded
[11:08] <raphink> but then 0.3 was uploaded again
[11:08] <raphink> without 0.1 having been approved yet
[11:08] <raphink> that was two weeks ago or so
[11:09] <raphink> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1297
[11:09] <Riddell> hmm
[11:09] <raphink> sistpoty uploaded 0.3
[11:09] <raphink> and dholbach had uploaded 0.1
[11:09] <raphink> and none got in
[11:10] <raphink> :s
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay....
[11:11] <Riddell> they probably didn't change the changelog address so katie output got lost
[11:11] <Tonio_> I asked several personns, some of them never used konq or linux
[11:11] <Tonio_> explaining the problem of missing buttons in the actual profile, and the fact that konq has to many options
[11:11] <raphink> Riddell: what is there to do then?
[11:11] <Tonio_> according to many, the best compromise would be that :
[11:11] <Tonio_> http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png
[11:12] <raphink> according to how many Tonio_ ?
[11:12] <Tonio_> 6 personns, 4 where prefering this one
[11:12] <raphink> ok
[11:12] <Tonio_> 2 where prefering http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png
[11:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: yuck
[11:12] <Tonio_> the the solution, actual one + a second bar behind...
[11:13] <Tonio_> I personnally prefer capture5.png
[11:13] <Riddell> 5 is just the KDE default
[11:13] <Riddell> too many buttons, too much space taken up
[11:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: well no, there are less buttons, I removed many
[11:14] <raphink> I like 5
[11:14] <Tonio_> five is like the default, but with many buttons removed
[11:14] <Tonio_> 4 and 5 have exactly the same buttons number
[11:14] <Tonio_> just the place is different
[11:15] <raphink> I tend to use something like 4 on my comp
[11:15] <Tonio_> I was just reported by jre, raphink  and many personns on kubuntu-fr that the context buttons where really missing in the filemanagement profile
[11:15] <raphink> but somehow upsidedown
[11:15] <Tonio_> raphink could confirm his opinion :)
[11:15] <raphink> well what I miss the most is the window menu for sure
[11:15] <raphink> I don't mind so much losing buttons cause I can add them easily
[11:16] <Tonio_> raphink: the window menu will maybe be removed
[11:16] <raphink> but losing a menu in an app is not easy 
[11:16] <Tonio_> but most of it's options will be in "view"
[11:16] <Tonio_> raphink: it is not technically easy to add the context buttons options
[11:17] <Tonio_> if the bar is hidden, like actually, you cannot add them easilly
[11:17] <raphink> a windows user here tells me he prefers 5
[11:17] <Tonio_> only a geek can ;)
[11:17] <Tonio_> raphink: did you show him the actual profile ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> he need that to compare also
[11:17] <raphink> yes
[11:17] <raphink> oh no
[11:18] <raphink> I can't show him the default kubuntu one
[11:18] <raphink> I don't have it installed
[11:18] <raphink> I'd get crazy with so few options ;)
[11:18] <Tonio_> hum, it is convenient while briwsing the web
[11:19] <Tonio_> but just as an example, the zoom options while reading a pdf on the net are really missing
[11:19] <Tonio_> the ark options while browsing a tgz file too
[11:19] <raphink> yes
[11:19] <raphink> the zoom options get me nuts
[11:19] <Tonio_> same for the gwenview buttons while opening an image
[11:19] <raphink> sometimes I just go back and right click to open it manually in a separate kpdf
[11:19] <raphink> just to be able to zoom
[11:19] <Tonio_> raphink: exactly what I do
[11:20] <raphink> Tonio_: I for one can't stand gwenview
[11:20] <raphink> I use kuickshow as my default viewer
[11:20] <Tonio_> so the compromise is according to me to simplify the menus
[11:20] <raphink> it's just lighter, faster, more convenient
[11:20] <raphink> although it's not embed in konqueror
[11:20] <Tonio_> and do like the actual one + the context toolbar
[11:20] <Tonio_> the only problem is where to put it
[11:20] <Tonio_> raphink: between 4 and 5, what would you prefer ?
[11:21] <raphink> hard to tell
[11:21] <Riddell> breezy users please test http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/kpdf_3.4.3-0ubuntu2.2_i386.deb
[11:21] <raphink> I'd say 4, upside down ;)
[11:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing
[11:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, installed on my laptop that doesn't have kde 3.5
[11:25] <Tonio_> seems to work
[11:25] <Tonio_> are there specific thing to look at ?
[11:28] <Tonio_> raphink: concerning gwenwiew, I was using showimg
[11:28] <Tonio_> very, very good
[11:28] <Tonio_> but not very stable
[11:28] <raphink> ok
[11:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: just needs to be tested with all the PDFs you have lying around to make sure I haven't broken anything
[11:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: 10 files tested, no pb
[11:29] <Tonio_> let me test more
[11:47] <Tonio_> seems good Riddell