=== JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-106-99.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Den [n=Den@adsl-71-132-141-13.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jhenn [i=jhenn@gnook.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] Hi - 12 hours ago Mithrandir gave me a special distro that hopefully fixed a bug "no ieee1394 support loaded at boot time to access cdrom". Then he left for the weekend. But he sent me a not 32bit version. Anyone here who can make the 1eee1394 firewire change & get me a new cd iso today? === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-245-26.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] mdz: pong === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-106-99.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] mako: there is a disgusting ammount of wikipedia data on the transformers [12:45] mako: including a national guardsman who legally changed his name to Optimus Prime === tritium [n=mfrimbe@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] tseng, speaking of crazy fans, you seen Memory Alpha? [12:55] Burgwork: no. [12:55] tseng, think Wikipedia for Star Trek [12:55] oh my [12:56] my GF is a trekkie, so I have found myself being sucked back into that world [12:56] I'm sorry === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.222.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] Burgwork: memory alpha is cool :) [01:07] Lathiat, I didn't say it wasn't. I was merely pointing it out the dedication to create that is a little crazy === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === hunger [n=hunger@p54A64137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] Burgwork: ya :) [01:18] mdz: well, assuming that we can do dhcp without bootup speed penalty, I think just default-configuring all network interfaces to dhcp should work well. [01:19] Lathiat, why are you not on planet? [01:20] Mithrandir: except lo ... [01:20] Kamion: well, sure, but lo should be handled outside of /etc/network/interfaces, AIUI? [01:21] it isn't right now [01:21] but sure === Kamion -> bed, just here briefly reading mail [01:22] Kamion: well, the parallell boot isn't here either, yet, so.. :-) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-124-39.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] raphink, you about? [01:27] testing wesnoth [01:28] :) [01:28] could you archive http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1377 for me? :) \sh nagged [01:28] wesnoth's fun [01:28] Simira, he means "play^W^W^W^Wtesting" === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-58-243.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] hehe [01:28] wanna play? [01:28] Hi. What is a good python+GTK tutorial? [01:29] raphink, sorry, but I have a dinner date in 30 min [01:29] ah nice :) [01:29] hmm... I think I didn't notice the amount of users in this channel for some time... it's grown! [01:29] Simira: wanna play? [01:29] raphink : it's bed-time (way past, really) here in Norway. Maybe another day? [01:29] well here too I'm in France Simira ;) [01:30] but tomorrow is saturday ;) [01:30] hehe [01:30] hehe [01:30] well, I have a somewhat normal dayrythm now, and starts in a new job on monday, so I intend to keep it [01:31] ok [01:32] so, good night all! [01:32] good night === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-58-243.dynamic.mts.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dilinger [i=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] who committed this? http://daniel-robitaille.blogspot.com/2006/01/whats-new-in-dapper-1.html [01:56] oh man [01:56] that hurts a lot. [01:56] desrt: you did that? [01:56] i wouldn't have done such a thing [01:56] what exactly do you mean? the blog entry or the notification bubble? [01:56] yeah. whoever did needs to get slapped. [01:56] slomo_: sorry, the bubble. [01:56] the bubble [01:57] it looks ridiculous [01:57] complete waste of time. === desrt chooses to believe the blog entry is an early april fool's joke [01:57] ispiked: next time you want to come and tell a developer they need "slapped" and about a "complete waste of time" [01:57] ispiked: please run it through your filter a few more times. [01:57] tseng: that is my opinion that that dialog. [01:58] desrt: it's no joke... but i actually like it ;) [01:58] oh, so _that's_ why I haven't seen. I purged update-notifier. [01:58] crimsun; me too :D [01:58] ispiked: what if someone said your opinion was useless and you need to be slapped === desrt got sick of donating all of his spare CPU cycles to it [01:58] tseng: then let them. [01:58] ispiked: I partly even agree with comments [01:58] tseng: all that matters is that my opinion is heard. [01:58] ispiked: it's by the devs of notify-daemon / libnotify probably... tell them that it's bad and make a constructive propose what would be better... [01:58] there are plenty more constructive ways [01:59] to express an opinion [01:59] tseng: like? [01:59] tseng: commenting in that blog isn't going to do anything. [01:59] of course not [01:59] tseng: I really came here to figure out who did it. [01:59] tseng: so I could ask them why. [01:59] we have a bug tracker for problems with bad software ideas [01:59] " i do not like the look of the new notification bubbles. although i respect the developer who committed the change i call into question the judgement associated with making such a change." [01:59] :) [02:00] heh. [02:00] there is no way this is in bugzilla. [02:00] someone would've caught it before it got in the tree. [02:00] search for dups. === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === milli [n=milli@phantom.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked gives up. [02:31] I have to agree it's not pretty [02:31] not my taste at all. :) [02:32] well, the tango icons are not my taste *shrug* ;) it's all a matter of taste... [02:32] slomo_: they are alot cleaner than gnome, just a dumb pallet :) [02:33] it appears this is what did it: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/n/notify-daemon/notify-daemon_0.3.1-0ubuntu2/changelog [02:34] tseng: maybe... i like the gnome ones better than the tango ones with the dump pallet ;) maybe i change my oppinion if they change the pallet... [02:34] ispiked: yes, the new upstream release ;) as i told you some time ago, better talk to the authors of notify-daemon or libnotify... [02:36] slomo_, the icons are ok, the notification bubble is so, well, cartoonish. :) [02:45] e-mailed the guy who made the commit. === dfgas [n=dfgas@adsl-69-210-33-157.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] anyone know if liblame0 will get into dapper soon? gst plugins ugly multiverse depends on it [02:57] hm? [02:57] gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly is already the newest version [02:58] installed here [02:58] and there is a bunch of development packages for gstreamer missing [02:58] no, there's gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse [02:58] I think I saw that in the repositories [02:58] that installs too [02:58] ... huh? *checks again* [03:00] liblame0 _is_ in dapper/multiverse. [03:02] btw looks like gst10 causes interesting problems [03:02] *** glibc detected *** free(): invalid pointer: 0x08338ec8 *** [03:02] anyway, sleep -> [03:05] woah, I'm an idiot. Forgot to add multiverse in my sources list. Very sorry === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487CFE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnoza@h80n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail is now known as slomo === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnoz@h80n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnno@h80n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] <\sh> infinity: ping [03:56] pong [03:56] <\sh> infinity / lamont: if you have time please have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/liba/libaqbanking/1.6.1-1ubuntu1/ and tell me why the libchipcard2-0c2 not installable is? :) [03:56] \sh: it's libsysfs I think [03:56] <\sh> because it is [03:57] infinity: could you give back ksudoku, xlibmesa-gl-dev dependency has been removed [03:57] <\sh> Inst libchipcard2-0c2 (1.9.15.99+1.9.16alpha-1 Ubuntu:6.04/dapper) [03:57] <\sh> Riddell: this is in a dapper amd64 chroot === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-106-99.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:58] <\sh> and this version is needed by libaqbanking but libchipcard2-dev on our buildd doesn't know it that it's installable :) [03:58] \sh: it's something which depends on libsysfs1 but now we have libsysfs2 and it won't build against that [03:58] I just can't remember what the something is just now [03:58] Riddell: Done. [03:59] yeah, it's libchipcard2 [03:59] <\sh> Riddell: but it's installable..updated dapper chroot etc. pp. [04:00] <\sh> let me try again [04:00] \sh: Is it installable WITH the other build-deps? [04:00] <\sh> infinity: give me 2 mins [04:00] \sh: and which libsysfsX do you have installed? [04:01] (none, if it's a clean chroot) === infinity is testing this right now, but "dselect update" is taking forever on his slow-ass DSL... [04:03] <\sh> well actually I have two...libsysfs1 and 2...but it's the same behaviour on i386...and there i have a clean one...moment [04:03] <\sh> well..pbuilder said it's installable...and builds...let me check the chroot [04:04] libchipcard2-0c2: Depends: libsysfs1 but it is not installable [04:04] E: Package libsysfs1 has no installation candidate [04:04] In other words, your chroot it dirty. [04:05] Any other questions? [04:05] <\sh> but my pbuilder should be clean [04:05] and libchipcard won't build against libsys2, it fails on sysfs_open_device_tree [04:05] Should be a small patch to fix for the API change, no? [04:05] dunno, need to find out what the API change is [04:06] diff the headers, make educated guesses. :) [04:06] doing so :) [04:08] <\sh> oh yes [04:17] <\sh> Riddell: what about sysfs_open_device_path? [04:21] \sh: I think sysfs_get_bus_devices is the one [04:21] (advised from upstream) [04:21] <\sh> cool === Riddell patches === derekS [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:24] <\sh> why don't they write something like that in the documentation when they're changing the API.. [04:26] \sh: I think that assumes they have documentation for their API [04:27] <\sh> Riddell: somethings is in the sources in the docs dir [04:27] <\sh> a plain textfile === warren_ [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-88-219.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-88-219.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@cpe-204-210-33-233.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k_ [n=seth@ubuntu/member/sethkinast] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] tseng: dude, a national guardsman changed his name to optimus prime.. that's awesome === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:09] mako, you have any experience with docbook? === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:45] Burgundavia: lots [06:45] Burgundavia: i did a bunch of stylesheet hacking in previous days :) [06:45] Burgundavia: whats up? [06:46] mako, having some issue with building a minimalist test case to test PNG in SVG in Docbook in yelp [06:49] Burgundavia: is this somewhere i can get to it? [06:49] mako, can I email you? [06:49] hey mako! [06:50] siretart: ping? [06:52] mako, does @ubuntu.com still work [06:53] fabbione: hey dude === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:53] Burgundavia: yesk, of course [06:54] Burgundavia: although i usually tend to get to the @atdot where you've been seeing mail recently more quickly [06:56] mako, ah, oops. Sent to @ubuntu.com already [06:56] Burgundavia: that's fine === Burgundavia is reminded he needs to get writing for next week [06:56] Burgundavia: have you done anything yet? [06:58] mako, extensive outlines [06:59] Burgundavia: ahh, good [07:00] Burgundavia: i'm not much better [07:01] mako, a year of experience with the source material is going to make the writing easier === mako nods [07:10] Burgundavia: ok.. what are you using to build this? [07:11] Burgundavia: i cleaned up the XML so it's at least validating [07:13] mako, my test case? [07:13] Burgundavia: yes [07:14] Burgundavia: just using yelp, right? [07:14] mako, yep [07:14] Burgundavia; thesis or something? [07:15] i did my undergrad thesis in docbook === desrt did his in notepad.exe [07:15] you only make that mistake once [07:15] hah [07:15] well, you usually only *get* to make that mistake once [07:15] unless you do 2 undergraduate degrees for some reason [07:15] but if i were to go back now and write another undergrad thesis... [07:15] desrt, no, some technical writing [07:16] tex seems popular in this part of the world [07:16] desrt: i think now that i'm working on a graduate degree, that would be unlikely [07:16] well [07:17] i'm working on my undergraduate thesis this term [07:17] and i'm using abiword + a typesetter [07:17] it works very well === TerminX [n=terminx@adsl-68-125-63-27.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:22] mako, have you managed to figure out how I was being dumb? [07:28] Burgundavia: you are really really tempting me to say "by nature" :P [07:28] fabbione, explains why I am sales drone and not a developer === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] Burgundavia: ehhe a marketroid [07:29] no, not a marketroid, those are inferior. I am a Sales Drone! [07:30] Burgundavia: umm.. it's not yopu [07:30] desrt: in my lab all of the dissertations, etc. are done with tex, being able to keep track of references is nice [07:31] mako, is it yelp? [07:31] Burgundavia: i'm not displaying ANY svgs [07:31] Burgundavia: pngs are working fine [07:32] mako, hmm, regression since the warty days then [07:32] Burgundavia: your XML was a little sloppy ;) [07:32] it was a little cut and paste [07:32] :) [07:32] in any case, PNGs are working fine but yelp on this ubuntu system does nots do SVGs [07:32] dapper or breezy? [07:32] breezy here [07:33] my gf is alseep in the room with the dapper box [07:33] and quite honestly, i probably should be too :) [07:33] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=161374 [07:34] mako, mind attaching what you found that bug? [07:34] Burgundavia: i'd like to try it against the version in dapper first [07:34] Burgundavia: i'll paste you somethhing useful though === Den [n=Den@adsl-71-132-141-13.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] my dapper box is currently not functional, due to the daily cd [07:35] and a small OO.o bug killing grub install [07:37] Burgundavia: ok.. i'll try this tomorrow [07:37] alright, off [07:37] 'night [07:37] night mako! [07:38] mako, thanks [07:46] Mithrandir: Did you get my email that the iso you gave me was not for 32 bit? Do you have a 32 bit iso with the fix> [07:48] Anyone here who maintains anything about the boot process? [07:50] Anyone here at all? [07:50] BenC: Are you here? [07:52] ubuntu-devel has gone to bed. [07:54] Den: it's weekend.. most of the people are resting :) [07:54] Ah! a living thing! [07:54] no [07:55] fabbione: Are you a developer? [07:55] i am a bot answering machine [07:55] Please don't be telling the truth! [07:55] Do you know anything about the boot sw? [07:55] Den: it depends.. just ask [07:57] So, yesterday Mithrandir made a fix to try to enable ieee1394 firewire, and gave me a url to dl an iso, but it was not for 32 bit, & didn't work. [07:58] Are you able to access the relevant code, fix it, & get me some code to see if the firewire scsi boot can be made to work? [07:58] no [07:58] you need to wait for Mithrandir [07:58] I see Mithrandir is showing up as online for this channel 0 do you know if he'll be around? [07:59] PS, what ubuntu devel stuff do you work on? [07:59] i wonder if he'll try to get the squashfs-lzma change in for dapper... [07:59] Den: again.. it's saturday :) people might not be around till Monday. [07:59] Mithrandir has been idle over 6 hours [07:59] yeah, i know seb128 isn't around on weekends [08:00] Is there some info about who does what for ubuntu development? A wiki or regular web page, perhaps? An article, or interview online??? === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] Den: all these questions are FAQ. please use #ubuntu [08:02] or read up on wiki.ubuntu.com === fabbione declares weekend time [08:03] cya on monday guyes [08:03] guys [08:03] bye [08:03] have fun === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["So] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez uses Keybuk in an example === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-70-16-106-99.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === co1 [n=bag@dslb-084-059-089-069.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0FBBD.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.48.187] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@65.Red-83-49-57.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.54.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@openwire.metawire.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D15A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Den: yes, or rather, I remembered on my way home. It's a bit awkward for me to make a new one from home, so if it's ok with you, I'll wait until Monday to create a new one for you. Is that ok? === herzi [n=herzi@d061102.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === co1 [n=bag@dslb-084-059-086-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] moo [11:08] You really need to stop showing up 10 seconds after I upload imagemagick.. [11:08] hi infty [11:08] Hey Toilet. [11:09] pft [11:09] :) [11:11] infinity: heh, bad timing? [11:12] pitti: For dapper, you probably shouldn't worry too much about imagemagick security anyway. Looks like the most frequent NMUer (korbas) has been hacking on several patches recently, and he told me he'd be uploading, incorporating my NMUs, pretty soon. [11:12] pitti: Of course, that still leaves us on our own for warty/hoary/breezy, but whatever. [11:12] pitti: So, I'm just going to request a sync of my most recent upload, and let autosync sort out dapper. [11:12] ok, thanks for notifying [11:12] sounds good === ploum [n=Ploum@237-166.247.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] (And no, I will NOT be joining any imagemagick teams in Debian, this was a one-time NMU...) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:14] Hey Ben. [11:14] Or is that just connection bouncing? [11:14] Probably. [11:15] infinity: BenC does that all the time [11:15] Yeah. Of course, occasionally, it's actually him. :) [11:15] does anyone build/maintain breezy+xen kernels? [11:16] hunger may. === mpt [n=mpt@210-246-52-186.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-084-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] infinity: did you find a round tuit to get the initramfs-usplash-changes uploaded? [11:35] No, but I'm excavating the yard for tuits tomorrow. === olemke [n=olemke@p54895EF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] Should get a bunch of work done, despite it being a Sunday. === mvo [n=egon@wtli-d9b99e5a.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:37] uhm, it's sunday at your end? I thought you only were ~10 hours ahead of me? [11:38] hrm, i should totally visit clarkson university [11:38] they do lots of ubuntu stuff [11:38] jdub: where is that? [11:38] new york [11:39] state [11:39] ahkay [11:41] Mithrandir: No, but tomorrow is Sunday, and I was talking about finding tuits tomorrow. :) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] http://xen.cosi.clarkson.edu/?page_id=8 [11:44] you guys seen this? it was a summer of code project [11:44] infinity: ah, point. [11:44] d-i support, kernel images, etc. [11:44] cool [11:45] jdub: I've seen it a tiny bit, at least, yes. I think the guy who did them has been around here a bit, but I can't remember his IRC nick. [11:46] there is a dude called jeremy bongio working on it [11:46] that is the coolest name EVER [11:47] jdub, ed despard was supposed to be paid by Ubuntu for that work [11:47] looks like he got paid by google [11:47] jdub, he was dropped by google for non-responsiveness but then appeared in Sept. with his finished work [11:48] ahr === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@n219077093244.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:51] jdub, seen this? http://pim.kde.org/playground/osnabrueck4/ === jpatrick [n=patrick@142.Red-83-39-157.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] nup [11:53] http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1732 === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D15A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.222.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=oculus@p548D15A7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ulaas [n=ulaas@81.215.140.225] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] hi! any idea whats wrong with monodevelop and deps? [12:23] yes, im fixing it [12:23] check in an hour or two [12:23] tseng, oh great thanx man [12:23] np. === carlos [n=carlos@198.Red-83-50-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [i=hile@hack.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-242-100.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans@202.73.108.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tashiro [n=stephan@213.54.135.239] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frans-th [n=frans@202.73.108.136] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dmk [n=dmk@host81-156-31-130.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.54.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:15] BenC: dapper kernels are built from tarballs of the ubuntu git branch, right? === jon_kare [n=jk@158.38.145.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jon_kare [n=jk@158.38.145.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] jdub: Pretty much, yep. === jon_kare [n=jk@158.38.145.115] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] jon_kare : norsk? [01:38] Simira: ja === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] jon_kare : hyggelig. Kan ikke huske ha sett deg i ubuntu-sammenheng fr. Jeg er kontaktperson for Ubuntu Norge. === ploum [n=Ploum@112-207.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.54.168] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bag [n=bag@dslb-084-059-086-024.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionel_ [n=lionel@ip-128.net-82-216-65.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Treenaks [n=martijn@thuis.foodfight.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] hei jon_kare - lenge siden sist :) [02:47] hei [02:48] (realname var forstelig) [02:48] traff p en annen tidl. kollega oppi lypa her ogs.. skalvise.. Ole Enge [02:49] og Magne kommer p middag.. fr vel forberede litt snart [02:49] Gagatan: Could you please switch to english? Your language causes my irc client to beep:-) [02:50] haha :) [02:50] hunger: sorry.. just said hello to some former co-worker of mine :) [02:50] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] Gagatan: No problem:-) [02:50] Hi pitti. [02:51] hunger: and I met a second former co-worker also skiing cross-country [02:51] hi again [02:51] jon_kare: Your text is displayed properly. === hunger marvels at the wonders of character encodings once again. [02:55] hehe === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] elmo: please sync linkchecker from Sid, overriding Ubuntu changes ok, thanks :) === olemke [n=olemke@nordcom-adsl-69-105.zfn.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nowlin [n=nowlin@D40A91EF.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable036.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Immortal-XAk- [i=definici@212-200-201-145.smin.sezampro.yu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu_ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ozamosi [n=nnnnnnnn@h80n11c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-12-216.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-077-122.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsz_ [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Elleo [n=Elleo@mikeasoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Elleo [n=Elleo@unaffiliated/elleo] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel === klonner [n=ubuntu@87.217.236.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] so Ubuntu changed xmakemol's xlibmesa-dev B-D to "libgl1-mesa-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev", while Debian did "xlibmesa-gl-dev" [04:12] is there a common denominator? === klonner [n=ubuntu@87.217.236.20] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === nowlin [n=nowlin@D40A91EF.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-209-217-93-234.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] hm why is lesstif2 not in dapper yet? [04:35] (after its split from lesstif1-1, I mean) === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-118.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] zakame: s/yet/any more/ [04:51] zakame: because it's crack, and we don't want/need it [04:51] zakame: btw, we threw it out in breezy already [04:52] pitti: indeed... well, was asking 'coz xmakemol seems to need it === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] zakame: that's universe too, so it shouldn't be a problem? [04:53] hi, when a bug in malone is target to be fixed in ubuntu without a specific release, should we close it if it's fixed in dapper? [04:53] i'm talking about bug 5690 [04:53] sebest: yes, unless it's a security bug [04:53] it's just a typo in a manpage === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] so i close it [04:53] sebest: yes, thanks === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-240-186.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:54] pitti: chninkel has been trying to merge that package, and thus hit that snag [05:03] Kamion: here? [05:03] pitti: yes === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel [n=Yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:04] Kamion: is the current failure of live CD known? "User not known to the underlying authentication module" - and ubuntu doesn't autologin (gdm loop) [05:05] no - that would be Mithrandir's problem I guess [05:05] oh, gdm doesn't refuse to log in system users, does it? [05:06] Kamion: no idea, but the VCs don't work either, so I can't login [05:06] we now set the ubuntu user to uid 999 to help out espresso [05:06] hm, maybe it's that [05:06] "not known to the underlying authentication module" sounds like PAM told GDM "nu uh" to me. [05:06] MinimalUID=1000 [05:06] hmm [05:06] Kamion: I'll file a bug then and talk to him [05:06] assign it to Mithrandir [05:06] yep, thanks [05:06] Or, GDM has crappy error messages. :) [05:07] infinity: that message is from VC1 (syslog, I guess) [05:07] gdm only tries to login and respawns without any message [05:08] pitti: what's wrong with lesstif2? [05:08] Amaranth: oh, we just got fed up with fixing security bugs in it, and we don't need it any more [05:09] Amaranth: we just needed it for xpdf [05:09] ah [05:09] well, less work for you, that's always good :) [05:09] ah indeed [05:11] pitti, must really have a boring job ;) [05:11] thanks pitti , Amaranth :) [05:12] pitti: so why didn't it get demoted to universe? [05:12] azeem: erm, I did? [05:12] oh, wait, hmm [05:13] azeem: it was in universe in breezy, I didn't touch it since then [05:13] well, people claimed it is not available, which sparked the discussion [05:13] no idea why it was removed completely [05:13] AIUI, it is built from a new source package now, which never got synced [05:13] but that is only from looking at IRC in passing [05:13] lesstif2 is on the sync blacklist [05:14] I imagine this is because the binaries were previously in a different source package, which tends to break syncs [05:14] now that the binaries have been removed from lesstif1-1, it can probably be synced again [05:14] talk to elmo to get the blacklist modified [05:15] so, maybe lesstif2 on monday, but still lots of security issues [05:16] gtk-smooth-engine libxrender pygame xffm4 gnotime ispell-fi gcc-3.3 kgeography gnunet-gtk gutenprint initrd-netboot kde-icons-nuvola kde-style-lipstik mysql-dfsg-5.0 renderext zopeinterface allegro4.2 lesstif2 octave2.9 gal firefox-locale-ca firefox-locale-eu [05:16] ^-- current sync blacklist [05:16] mysql-dfsg-5.0? ah, now I know why it isn't there [05:17] gutenprint :( [05:17] i thought gimpprint got dropped with the first sync [05:17] generally all those are there because they broke for some reason, usually binaries also in other source packages [05:17] wait, i think seb128 was going to wait until after flight 1... [05:20] pitti: Yes, we need to get it unlisted on Monday, so I can start the transition. :) [05:20] infinity: I assume it was blacklisted due to mysql-common; I made 4.1 build -common right before the breezy release AFAIK [05:21] pitti: Yeah. We'll sort all that. === infinity heads to bed. [05:22] sleep well [05:28] hmm, install CD asks me for a proxy although I told it to leave network unconfigured... [05:28] known bug, reported many times, in Flight CD 2 release notes [05:29] it's a consequence of the shift to apt-setup (although not unfixable) [05:29] ah, known [05:32] Kamion: wondering why gcc-3.3 is on the blacklist === mahangu__ [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] doko_: don't ask me [05:35] I said above why (to my knowledge) packages are added to the blacklist [05:35] where can we find the sync blacklist ? === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@pcd303112.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:35] chninkel: I pasted it into IRC about twenty lines back [05:36] Kamion: I saw, but I mean if I want to have the last sync blacklist [05:36] it's not in any public location [05:36] Kamion: ok [05:38] maybe when the archive switches to launchpad it will be; there's no intrinsic reason for it to be private === herzi [n=herzi@d077168.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] heylo === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.222.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] Hmmm... http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/index.php claims ubuntu is not suitable for beginners. [05:48] people claim many things [05:48] pieces of land, etc [05:50] hunger, check their reasons, if they are logical and solvable, discuss. === rw [n=user@unaffiliated/rw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-229-206-28.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] hunger, things we can do nothing about, that can't be helped. and can just be that a fanboy wrote it. [05:50] there are a thousand of these things every month. [05:52] HiddenWolf: It is a distro-test recommended by prolinux. [05:54] hunger: that site recommends Gentoo to me [05:59] "Failed these criterias:" (sic!) [05:59] May require prior Linux knowledge [05:59] Not suitable for beginners [06:00] Requires partitioning knowledge [06:00] Exactly the same as for Debian. [06:00] When I answered honestly, it recommended Ubuntu *and* Debian [06:00] I suspect the test doesn't know the difference [06:02] sorry, what is the URL for that test? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-202.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel [n=Yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theine [n=theine@fw2.nbi.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === theine [n=theine@fw2.nbi.dk] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === theine [n=theine@fw2.nbi.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === koke [n=koke@adsl229-164.unizar.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbelem [n=rodrigo@ubuntu/member/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@15.202-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:04] good night [07:09] does someone know why GLw was dropped in mesa packages ? === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fade [n=fade@outrider.deepsky.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AngryAngryHippos [n=ian@CPE00c049d97e1d-CM000e5c70972e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-75-208.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:19] chninkel: GLw? [07:21] Amaranth: seems to be opengl for lesstif [07:21] Amaranth: from mesa changelog [07:21] mesa (6.4.0-0ubuntu1) dapper; urgency=low [07:21]