[05:14] <Madpilot> busy place here tonight... :P
[05:15] <Burgundavia> indeed
[05:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, you make any progress on that poster?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, oh, I will see you tomorrow and pay you back
[05:15] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: money is good
[05:15] <Madpilot> the poster is done, but are the date & room correct?
[05:16] <Burgundavia> no, but I want the PDF because the pres of VLUG is on my ass about it
[05:16] <Madpilot> OK, give me a minute3
[05:16] <Madpilot> minute, even... :P
[05:18] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, can you think of places that might be good to put up posters at?
[05:19] <Madpilot> libraries - maybe web cafes too?
[05:20] <Madpilot> oh, FFS... importing the SVG into Scribus made half the text vanish...
[05:20] <Burgundavia> yes, I ran into that
[05:22] <Madpilot> ... and that Tux svg is a massive thing, Scribus doesn't like it much...
[05:22] <Burgundavia> yes, noticed that
[05:23] <Madpilot> Tux works, at least. I'll just redo the blasted text, give me a few minutes and I'll email you the PDF...
[05:26] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: part of the problem is that Scribus doesn't like the FreeFonts for some reason - FreeMono and the rest
[05:27] <Burgundavia> ugh
[05:29] <Madpilot> do me a favour - check the various bugzillas for that? they're both FLOSS projects, so bugfiling might have already been done - I'll ask on the Scribus ML as well
[05:29] <LaserJock> maybe you should try MS Word ;-)
[05:29] <Madpilot> LaserJock: Scribus isn't a word processor at all :P
[05:30] <LaserJock> neither is Word ;-)
[05:31] <Burgundavia> http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=2392
[05:32] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: eh - check the 2nd comment from the Scribus dev @ that bug - I will have to rebuild the thing in Scribus then
[05:33] <Burgundavia> ugh, strip out of the text and import that
[05:34] <Burgundavia> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21407\
[05:34] <Burgundavia> see that, 3rd comment regarding fonts
[05:34] <LaserJock> would gimp do it?
[05:35] <Madpilot> LaserJock: we're going for PDF output, and that's Scribus' speciality
[05:35] <Madpilot> I'm not sure GIMP can do PDF, actually. Haven't bothered looking.
[05:36] <LaserJock> I don't know, I don't do that kind of stuff very much, although I need to make a poster this month for a conference so I might have to learn how to use Scribus
[05:44] <Madpilot> Scribus is very cool, but it's one of those powerful programs that's easy to learn but hard to master
[05:44] <LaserJock> cool, in my line of work the we usually use LaTeX but I think Scribus might be better for me
[05:48] <Burgundavia> grr, bloody hell
[05:48] <Burgundavia> I got SVG to embed in Docbook before
[05:50] <Madpilot> LaserJock: I've fiddled with latex; Scribus is a fully graphical DTP app, though, so for posters & the like it's probably better than latex
[05:53] <LaserJock> Madpilot: I agree, I spent forever last year making a 4ft.x4ft. poster for a conference last year in latex
[05:54] <Madpilot> http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_CA_insert.pdf <-- my first ever Scribus project
[05:56] <LaserJock> cool, looks very professional.
[05:56] <Madpilot> thanks - the double-sided part is still a bit messed up, not sure why, when printed from PDF - printing it from inside Scribus itself works fine...
[05:58] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: it prints, it looks big and penguin-y - PDF inbound shortly
[06:01] <Madpilot> cool, it works in Adobe Reader too...
[06:04] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: email off...
[06:05] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, I spent a long time getting that text to align
[06:06] <Madpilot> I spent about five seconds :P
[06:06] <Madpilot> there are advantages to an actual DTP app, vs a vector drawing app
[06:06] <Burgundavia> no, I am saying your text looks like ass
[06:07] <Burgundavia> compare the way I had my text align vs. yours
[06:07] <Madpilot> hm? It looks roughly the same as yours?
[06:07] <Burgundavia> I right aligned the questions and left aligned the answers
[06:08] <Madpilot> just noticed that - I'll fix it, just a sec
[06:17] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: better text alignment? http://www.warbard.ca/temp/vlug_poster.png
[06:17] <Burgundavia> yes, much better
[06:17] <Madpilot> OK - PDF in a mo...
[06:17] <Burgundavia> vlug.org is a bit too small
[06:20] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: I've bumped it up, PDF coming...
[06:23] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, going to avoid having to use a QT app for as long as possibly
[06:23] <Burgundavia> need more space between the box and vlug.org
[06:24] <Madpilot> there is no more space, the URL is against the lower margin already
[06:24] <Burgundavia> then move the box up
[06:24] <bhuvan> it was brian's patch :)
[06:25] <Burgundavia> bhuvan, still, no working. We might actually release something for dapper if you keep doing that
[06:27] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, figure Sharon will kick the bucket this weekend?
[06:28] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/vlug_lastedit.png (and note the filename of this screenshot... :P )
[06:28] <Burgundavia> looks fine ;)
[06:29] <Madpilot> it better - incoming, you lazy SOB...
[06:31] <Madpilot> gah... Nautilus hangs on nearly any FTP action - after doing it, thankfully...
[06:33] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, sent to Andrew Willard for "executive decision", b*****d
[06:33] <Burgundavia> him, not you
[06:34] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you're just going to have to run for BoD, you know
[06:34] <Burgundavia> nov 2006 I intend to
[07:00] <Madpilot> http://www.tradeshowhell.com/?q=penguinpiss
[07:06] <poningru_games> guys is there anything that will allow me to make little vids of stuff I am doing?
[07:06] <poningru_games> kinda like a screenshot
[07:06] <Burgundavia> poningru_games, istanbul
[07:06] <poningru_games> except more like a screenvid
[07:06] <poningru_games> oh
[07:06] <poningru_games> !info instanbul
[07:06] <poningru_games> doh
[07:06] <Burgundavia> wrong chan
[07:07] <poningru_games> thats awesome
[07:07] <poningru_games> thanks dude
[07:09] <poningru_games> now if only there was a method to sync voice with it
[07:25] <Madpilot> where on the wiki is the Dapper freeze timetable?
[07:26] <Burgundavia> DapperReleaseSchedule
[07:27] <Madpilot> thnx
[07:28] <Madpilot> upstream version freeze 19th Jan - wonder if the latest stable release of Scribus will make it in?
[07:29] <Burgundavia> file a bug about it
[07:30] <Burgundavia> http://debian.scribus.net/debian/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/
[07:31] <Madpilot> 1.2.4.1 is the latest, so it's already been packaged for Debian
[07:32] <Burgundavia> that includes cvs code
[07:33] <Madpilot> no, that's the 1.3.x dev branch - 1.2.x branch is stable, non-cvs AFAIK
[07:33] <Burgundavia> ah
[07:33] <Burgundavia> when is the next stable version due to be released?
[07:33] <Madpilot> no idea
[07:33] <Madpilot> when it's stable :P
[07:37] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: enhancement/dev "bugs" like this to bugzilla.u.c or malone?
[07:38] <Burgundavia> if 1.2.4.1 is the latest stable, then wait until the next stable is releasee
[07:39] <Madpilot> Dapper still has 1.2.3.something listed, though: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=scribus&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[07:40] <Burgundavia> oh, then file in bugzilla
[07:40] <Burgundavia> mention that we might want to pull directly from upstreams deb
[07:40] <Madpilot> ok
[07:42] <Burgundavia> I think the debian maintainer might build both packages
[07:51] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22020
[08:59] <poningru> anyone know what ubuntu-express will be called? I just read they changed the name
[08:59] <Burgundavia> poningru, espresso
[09:00] <poningru> wow
[09:00] <poningru> cool
[09:00] <poningru> thanks dude
[09:00] <Burgundavia> always try and be helpful
[10:44] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, http://news.lugnet.com/announce/moc/?n=3170
[11:15] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: that's gloriously insane :P
[11:52] <Burgundavia> arggghhh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OtherWaysToInstall
[11:53] <Madpilot> yikes
[11:53] <Madpilot> nuke it, redirect to AddingRepos?
[11:53] <Burgundavia> leave it for now
[11:54] <Madpilot> "I want to pummel the author of..." :P
[11:56] <Burgundavia> nah, just scare him
[11:57] <Madpilot> Wiki-Writing Commandment The First: Thou Shalt Use The Search - As Crappy As It Is - Before Thou Creates A New Page
[12:04] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, night
[12:04] <Madpilot> later
[12:05] <Madpilot> see you tomorrow?
[12:12] <ompaul> curious does anyone know if there is a wiki page that specifically explains how to get "source code" from the repos onto a users machine - I think this is missing I have been looking for a little while this morning for same 
[12:13] <Madpilot> we've got two seperate Compiling pages, only one of which actually tells you how to compile something... :P
[12:13] <ompaul> I want to reference it - or write it but as I am not the best writer on planet earth I would like to find a better source for same (you may if you choose shoot me for the unintentional pun)
[12:14] <ompaul> Madpilot, no I want apt-get source
[12:14] <Madpilot> ompaul: not sure, and I'm just shutting down for the night...
[12:14] <ompaul> k
[12:14] <ompaul> I think the thing is write it myself you can tidy up the broken thinking in the morning :)
[12:15] <ompaul> Madpilot, msg?
[12:15] <Madpilot> ompaul: you can always contact the mailing list as well, if you want to bounce ideas around before writing...
[12:15] <Madpilot> pm? go ahead
[12:16] <ompaul> Madpilot, if I get on another mailing list I will loose any marbles I have left
[12:16] <mdke> hi all
[12:16] <ompaul> catch ya later sleep well
[12:16] <mdke> ompaul, you can never subscribe to too many mailing lists
[12:17] <ompaul> mdke, hehe
[12:17] <Madpilot> anyway, I really do need sleep - later, all
[12:18] <mdke> night
[12:37] <ompaul> is there a guide for writing stuff on the wiki?
[03:01] <ompaul> anyone able to point me a wiki docs for the following subjects (a) standards of documentation, (b) Formatting correctly
[04:07] <mdke> blasted powercuts
[05:56] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[05:56] <theCore> hey !
[05:56] <theCore> hi, LaserJock 
[05:56] <theCore> it been a long time ... :)
[05:56] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:57] <LaserJock> I just got back from Christmas vacation
[05:59] <LaserJock> have you gotten any farther with the Packaging Guide? I didn't do much over the vacation but I am starting to work on it now
[06:00] <theCore> nah, I just made some few things like merging the Outline with PackagingGuide wiki page, and one paragraph of text
[06:01] <LaserJock> one paragraph of text on the wiki or in the XML?
[06:02] <theCore> i'm just don't what to write on the debhelper scenario, it's too easy
[06:02] <theCore> xml
[06:03] <theCore> with the hello package you just need to enter one command, so quite though to make a full page about that single command
[06:05] <LaserJock> well, but we need to explain what it is doing I guess
[06:05] <LaserJock> also that you have to inclued debhelper in the build dependencies
[06:06] <theCore> for the scenario?, yes 
[06:47] <dandielionous> hello
[06:52] <hyperactivecrond> hello
[07:08] <ompaul> anyone able to point me a wiki docs for the following subjects (a) standards of documentation, (b) Formatting correctly
[07:08] <ompaul> or for that matter any docs that would point me in the right direction on those points?
[07:19] <LaserJock> ompaul: wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted should have some links at least
[07:39] <ompaul> LaserJock, thanks
[07:41] <ompaul> mdke, okay I'll join another mailing list (my poor pop server will be creaking :-))
[07:47] <poningru> ok so I have been thinking hard about what to name dapper+1
[07:47] <poningru> heres an idea
[07:47] <poningru> gator
[07:48] <poningru> golden gator
[07:48] <poningru> greasy gator
[07:48] <poningru> there is always
[07:48] <poningru> grumpy gator
[08:20] <shagha> hi... i've just installed ubuntu..can i ask a question?
[08:21] <nickrud> shagha, sure
[08:21] <shagha> actually on installing it, i created a user acount let's call it "me" , ok? then while i logged on with "me" account, i created another one "mee" set to default..
[08:21] <nickrud> and a bunch of stuff doesn't work like you'd expect, I assume
[08:22] <shagha> then while i was already logged on with the "me" account, i deleted "me" account. i logged off and restarted,right!?
[08:22] <nickrud> ouch
[08:22] <shagha> but i can't do any administrative task with the other account. 
[08:22] <shagha> auch ! yes!:(
[08:22] <nickrud> shagha, heh. 
[08:22] <shagha> what?
[08:22] <shagha> i ... well, i thought this might happen. just wanted to make sure! :D
[08:22] <nickrud> well, first this is the channel for working on docs, #ubuntu is support. and
[08:23] <shagha> aaaaaaaaoooooo
[08:23] <shagha> sorry! 
[08:23] <shagha> sorry sorry!
[08:23] <shagha> i'll find the appropiate channel then .
[08:23] <shagha> thx
[08:23] <shagha> sorry!
[08:23] <nickrud> no problem, we try to be nice
[08:23] <nickrud> anyway, reboot in recovery mode, then 
[08:24] <nickrud> adduser <mee> admin, and reboot
[08:24] <shagha> :) THX!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:24] <shagha> really thx. pple don't help me these days!
[08:24] <shagha> bunch of thx . best wishes upon you! try to be good and happy ! ;) THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK.bye
[08:24] <nickrud> shagha, #ubuntu is pleasant. Enjoy yourself
[08:25] <shagha> i sure will! u too.
[09:23] <Burgundavia> ahh, too many Brians!!