=== crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === warren_ [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === lambert [n=lambert@c-24-125-47-253.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] [05:14] busy place here tonight... :P [05:15] indeed [05:15] Madpilot, you make any progress on that poster? [05:15] Madpilot, oh, I will see you tomorrow and pay you back === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:15] Burgundavia: money is good [05:15] the poster is done, but are the date & room correct? [05:16] no, but I want the PDF because the pres of VLUG is on my ass about it [05:16] OK, give me a minute3 [05:16] minute, even... :P [05:18] Madpilot, can you think of places that might be good to put up posters at? [05:19] libraries - maybe web cafes too? [05:20] oh, FFS... importing the SVG into Scribus made half the text vanish... [05:20] yes, I ran into that [05:22] ... and that Tux svg is a massive thing, Scribus doesn't like it much... [05:22] yes, noticed that [05:23] Tux works, at least. I'll just redo the blasted text, give me a few minutes and I'll email you the PDF... [05:26] Burgundavia: part of the problem is that Scribus doesn't like the FreeFonts for some reason - FreeMono and the rest [05:27] ugh [05:29] do me a favour - check the various bugzillas for that? they're both FLOSS projects, so bugfiling might have already been done - I'll ask on the Scribus ML as well [05:29] maybe you should try MS Word ;-) [05:29] LaserJock: Scribus isn't a word processor at all :P [05:30] neither is Word ;-) === LaserJock is just being stupid, sorry [05:31] http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=2392 [05:32] Burgundavia: eh - check the 2nd comment from the Scribus dev @ that bug - I will have to rebuild the thing in Scribus then [05:33] ugh, strip out of the text and import that === Burgundavia wishes Inkscape had PDF support [05:34] http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21407\ [05:34] see that, 3rd comment regarding fonts [05:34] would gimp do it? [05:35] LaserJock: we're going for PDF output, and that's Scribus' speciality [05:35] I'm not sure GIMP can do PDF, actually. Haven't bothered looking. [05:36] I don't know, I don't do that kind of stuff very much, although I need to make a poster this month for a conference so I might have to learn how to use Scribus [05:44] Scribus is very cool, but it's one of those powerful programs that's easy to learn but hard to master [05:44] cool, in my line of work the we usually use LaTeX but I think Scribus might be better for me === bustacap [n=bustacap@203-206-46-153.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:48] grr, bloody hell [05:48] I got SVG to embed in Docbook before [05:50] LaserJock: I've fiddled with latex; Scribus is a fully graphical DTP app, though, so for posters & the like it's probably better than latex [05:53] Madpilot: I agree, I spent forever last year making a 4ft.x4ft. poster for a conference last year in latex [05:54] http://www.warbard.ca/temp/Ubuntu_CA_insert.pdf <-- my first ever Scribus project [05:56] cool, looks very professional. [05:56] thanks - the double-sided part is still a bit messed up, not sure why, when printed from PDF - printing it from inside Scribus itself works fine... === Burgundavia beats up yelp for not spitting out error messages, but still failing [05:58] Burgundavia: it prints, it looks big and penguin-y - PDF inbound shortly [06:01] cool, it works in Adobe Reader too... [06:04] Burgundavia: email off... [06:05] bloody hell, I spent a long time getting that text to align [06:06] I spent about five seconds :P [06:06] there are advantages to an actual DTP app, vs a vector drawing app [06:06] no, I am saying your text looks like ass [06:07] compare the way I had my text align vs. yours [06:07] hm? It looks roughly the same as yours? [06:07] I right aligned the questions and left aligned the answers [06:08] just noticed that - I'll fix it, just a sec [06:17] Burgundavia: better text alignment? http://www.warbard.ca/temp/vlug_poster.png [06:17] yes, much better [06:17] OK - PDF in a mo... [06:17] vlug.org is a bit too small === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:20] Burgundavia: I've bumped it up, PDF coming... [06:23] Madpilot, going to avoid having to use a QT app for as long as possibly === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:23] need more space between the box and vlug.org === Burgundavia spanks bhuvan for actually working [06:24] there is no more space, the URL is against the lower margin already [06:24] then move the box up [06:24] it was brian's patch :) [06:25] bhuvan, still, no working. We might actually release something for dapper if you keep doing that [06:27] Madpilot, figure Sharon will kick the bucket this weekend? [06:28] Burgundavia: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/vlug_lastedit.png (and note the filename of this screenshot... :P ) [06:28] looks fine ;) === Burgundavia enjoys being boss [06:29] it better - incoming, you lazy SOB... [06:31] gah... Nautilus hangs on nearly any FTP action - after doing it, thankfully... [06:33] Madpilot, sent to Andrew Willard for "executive decision", b*****d [06:33] him, not you [06:34] Burgundavia: you're just going to have to run for BoD, you know [06:34] nov 2006 I intend to === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.36.120] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan_ [n=bhuvan@59.92.36.120] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@ubuntu/member/bhuvan] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:00] http://www.tradeshowhell.com/?q=penguinpiss [07:06] guys is there anything that will allow me to make little vids of stuff I am doing? [07:06] kinda like a screenshot [07:06] poningru_games, istanbul [07:06] except more like a screenvid [07:06] oh === poningru_games looks [07:06] !info instanbul [07:06] doh [07:06] wrong chan [07:07] thats awesome [07:07] thanks dude [07:09] now if only there was a method to sync voice with it [07:25] where on the wiki is the Dapper freeze timetable? [07:26] DapperReleaseSchedule [07:27] thnx [07:28] upstream version freeze 19th Jan - wonder if the latest stable release of Scribus will make it in? [07:29] file a bug about it === bojicas [n=bojicas@we1057.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:30] http://debian.scribus.net/debian/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/ [07:31] 1.2.4.1 is the latest, so it's already been packaged for Debian [07:32] that includes cvs code [07:33] no, that's the 1.3.x dev branch - 1.2.x branch is stable, non-cvs AFAIK [07:33] ah [07:33] when is the next stable version due to be released? [07:33] no idea [07:33] when it's stable :P [07:37] Burgundavia: enhancement/dev "bugs" like this to bugzilla.u.c or malone? [07:38] if 1.2.4.1 is the latest stable, then wait until the next stable is releasee [07:39] Dapper still has 1.2.3.something listed, though: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=scribus&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [07:40] oh, then file in bugzilla [07:40] mention that we might want to pull directly from upstreams deb [07:40] ok [07:42] I think the debian maintainer might build both packages [07:51] Burgundavia: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22020 === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Den [n=Den@adsl-71-132-141-13.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Den [n=Den@adsl-71-132-141-13.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Konversation] [08:59] anyone know what ubuntu-express will be called? I just read they changed the name [08:59] poningru, espresso [09:00] wow [09:00] cool [09:00] thanks dude [09:00] always try and be helpful === Madpilot_ [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:44] Madpilot, http://news.lugnet.com/announce/moc/?n=3170 [11:15] Burgundavia: that's gloriously insane :P === mpt [n=mpt@210-246-52-186.paradise.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:52] arggghhh https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OtherWaysToInstall [11:53] yikes [11:53] nuke it, redirect to AddingRepos? [11:53] leave it for now === Burgundavia braves #ubuntu [11:54] "I want to pummel the author of..." :P [11:56] nah, just scare him [11:57] Wiki-Writing Commandment The First: Thou Shalt Use The Search - As Crappy As It Is - Before Thou Creates A New Page [12:04] Madpilot, night [12:04] later [12:05] see you tomorrow? === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.54.168] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:12] curious does anyone know if there is a wiki page that specifically explains how to get "source code" from the repos onto a users machine - I think this is missing I have been looking for a little while this morning for same [12:13] we've got two seperate Compiling pages, only one of which actually tells you how to compile something... :P [12:13] I want to reference it - or write it but as I am not the best writer on planet earth I would like to find a better source for same (you may if you choose shoot me for the unintentional pun) [12:14] Madpilot, no I want apt-get source [12:14] ompaul: not sure, and I'm just shutting down for the night... [12:14] k [12:14] I think the thing is write it myself you can tidy up the broken thinking in the morning :) [12:15] Madpilot, msg? [12:15] ompaul: you can always contact the mailing list as well, if you want to bounce ideas around before writing... [12:15] pm? go ahead === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] Madpilot, if I get on another mailing list I will loose any marbles I have left [12:16] hi all [12:16] catch ya later sleep well [12:16] ompaul, you can never subscribe to too many mailing lists [12:17] mdke, hehe [12:17] anyway, I really do need sleep - later, all [12:18] night [12:37] is there a guide for writing stuff on the wiki? === ompaul feels the power of doing it right falling on his head === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-doc === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.54.168] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:01] anyone able to point me a wiki docs for the following subjects (a) standards of documentation, (b) Formatting correctly === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:07] blasted powercuts === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-118.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-229-206-28.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === hyperactivecrond [i=dirrrtyd@adsl-69-211-148-114.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === theCore [n=theCore@Toronto-HSE-ppp3785497.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:56] hi theCore [05:56] hey ! [05:56] hi, LaserJock [05:56] it been a long time ... :) [05:56] yeah [05:57] I just got back from Christmas vacation [05:59] have you gotten any farther with the Packaging Guide? I didn't do much over the vacation but I am starting to work on it now === hyperactivecrond [i=myuid@adsl-69-211-148-114.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:00] nah, I just made some few things like merging the Outline with PackagingGuide wiki page, and one paragraph of text [06:01] one paragraph of text on the wiki or in the XML? [06:02] i'm just don't what to write on the debhelper scenario, it's too easy [06:02] xml [06:03] with the hello package you just need to enter one command, so quite though to make a full page about that single command [06:05] well, but we need to explain what it is doing I guess [06:05] also that you have to inclued debhelper in the build dependencies === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-202.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:06] for the scenario?, yes === dandielionous [n=dandieli@12.46.103.182] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:47] hello [06:52] hello [07:08] anyone able to point me a wiki docs for the following subjects (a) standards of documentation, (b) Formatting correctly [07:08] or for that matter any docs that would point me in the right direction on those points? [07:19] ompaul: wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted should have some links at least === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:39] LaserJock, thanks [07:41] mdke, okay I'll join another mailing list (my poor pop server will be creaking :-)) [07:47] ok so I have been thinking hard about what to name dapper+1 [07:47] heres an idea [07:47] gator [07:48] golden gator [07:48] greasy gator [07:48] there is always [07:48] grumpy gator === shagha [n=shagha12@217.219.1.225] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:20] hi... i've just installed ubuntu..can i ask a question? [08:21] shagha, sure [08:21] actually on installing it, i created a user acount let's call it "me" , ok? then while i logged on with "me" account, i created another one "mee" set to default.. [08:21] and a bunch of stuff doesn't work like you'd expect, I assume [08:22] then while i was already logged on with the "me" account, i deleted "me" account. i logged off and restarted,right!? [08:22] ouch [08:22] but i can't do any administrative task with the other account. [08:22] auch ! yes!:( [08:22] shagha, heh. [08:22] what? [08:22] i ... well, i thought this might happen. just wanted to make sure! :D [08:22] well, first this is the channel for working on docs, #ubuntu is support. and [08:23] aaaaaaaaoooooo [08:23] sorry! [08:23] sorry sorry! [08:23] i'll find the appropiate channel then . [08:23] thx [08:23] sorry! [08:23] no problem, we try to be nice [08:23] anyway, reboot in recovery mode, then [08:24] adduser admin, and reboot [08:24] :) THX!!!!!!!!!!!!! [08:24] really thx. pple don't help me these days! [08:24] bunch of thx . best wishes upon you! try to be good and happy ! ;) THAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANK.bye [08:24] shagha, #ubuntu is pleasant. 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