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Lord_Athurhi all01:08
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johnjohnhello09:30
johnjohnoops... got to change my nickname09:31
johnjohnI "just" installed edubuntu for the first time09:33
johnjohnthe simplest linux install i ever tried.  Mind you it's only my second or third one.09:34
johnjohncouldn't wait for the cd's in the mail so i d/l edubuntu09:34
johnjohnwell cya09:35
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frank3265948Hi everybody, could sb give me a hint how to turn an installed Ubuntu into Edubuntu? I would expect it would be possible to add some Edubuntu repository locations and install the Edubuntu packages from there... But how?02:47
spacey_kifrank3265948, type `apt-cache search edubuntu` or search for edubuntu in synaptic02:54
spacey_kiand install the parts you like from edubuntu02:54
spacey_kiedubuntu-desktop will do most of the trick02:54
spacey_kifor an edubuntu desktop02:54
frank3265948Thanks! That is really easy :-)) 02:56
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mhzhas anyone seen jelkner or kjcole today?03:05
juliuxno03:08
mhzjuliux: hey03:10
mhzjuliux: i sometimes forget you are a total geek!03:10
mhz;)03:10
mhzI could not have expected more from a geek answer: 1 or 003:11
mhz:D03:11
frank3265948Another question, are there any Edubuntu or Ubuntu resources in Hungarian for 12 year olds, especially an introduction to using the PC and the Internet?03:11
juliuxmhz, hehe03:12
juliuxmhz, do you want to have a thin client?03:12
mhzwant to have?03:12
mhzYES!03:12
juliuxmhz, i will check what it cost to send one to you03:12
mhzjuliux: I hope you will not tell me: "me too"03:12
mhzjuliux: wowo!!!03:12
mhzjuliux: thank you ver VERY VERY much!03:13
mhzjuliux: what have I done to deserve this?03:13
juliuxmhz, i get 6 thinclients from a company to develop and test edubuntu03:13
mhzjuliux: congrats!03:13
juliuxand a friend of me has also 26 thinclients03:14
mhzAre there companies in Germany interested in Edubuntu development?03:14
juliuxit is a very small company03:14
mhzfrank3265948: I can't quite understand the question. Could be more specific please?03:14
juliuxand the sell thinclients on ebay and i ask them if i can get some cheaper for edubuntu development03:14
juliuxand i think that you can use on very good03:15
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mhzjuliux: I truly appreciate your offer03:16
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mhzand I gladly accept it03:16
mhzkjcole: hey03:16
mhzkjcole: are we meeting with jelkner?03:16
frank3265948Ok, I'm preparing a PC with Edubuntu for Domi, a 12 year old girl in Hungary. She knows verly little English only. That's why I'm asking about any kind of resources in Hungarian, books, articles,... 03:16
juliuxbut i have to check what the shipit cost and what the taxes must paid03:17
mhzfrank3265948: oh, you mean books, writings or Applications?03:17
kjcolemhz: G'morning.  We're both just setting up.  Elkner was getting the diet cokes. ;-)03:17
juliuxmhz, can you send me your address to juliux@ubuntu-de.org03:17
mhzjuliux: sure!03:18
kjcolemhz: He's still booting up his laptop.  Joining us momentarily.03:18
mhzjuliux: i am about to start a meeting. After that, you'll get an email from me03:18
juliuxok03:18
mhzkjcole: MOMENTARILY?03:18
mhzoops, sorry Caps03:18
kjcolemhz: In a moment...03:19
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jelknermhz: good morning, mauricio, i haven't spoken to you since yesterday! ;-)03:22
mhzkjcole: and what # would this be?03:22
kjcolemhz, "...and then there were three..." ;-)03:22
mhzjclinton: hehe, welcome back03:22
mhzjelkner: hehe, welcome back03:22
jelknerbtw. do you have the log from yesterday?03:22
mhzDUH!!!03:22
mhzthis autocompleting03:23
mhzjelkner: yup, sorry i haven't sent it03:23
mhzi will right away03:23
jelknergracias!03:23
mhznada de gracias... U$1,00003:23
mhz:D03:23
kjcolelucasvo, ping?03:23
mhzjelkner: where should we move?03:24
mhzor will stay here?03:24
jelknerwell, we could pop over to #ubuntu-dca03:24
mhzI will accept what you guys tell me03:25
kjcolemhz, go there. ;-)03:25
mhzokis03:26
jelknermhz: never mind, why not stay here?03:26
mhzhehehe03:27
jelkneri know where the logs go for this channel03:27
jelknerand we may need to ping ogra03:27
mhzI'm here then03:27
jelknerok, here is the plan:03:27
jelkner1. we take the existing text, and editing as little as possible, we convert it from tuxlabs to edubuntu03:28
jelkner2. we start adding new material, screen shots, etc. specific to the dapper edubuntu release03:28
jelknerwe are well on our way to completing 103:29
mhz.oO(so far, so good03:29
littlepauljelkner, what about a edubuntu faq like http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntufaq?03:29
jelkner2 will need to wait until later toward spring when we have a running edubuntu to work with03:29
jelknerlittlepaul: i don't know anything about the faq03:30
jelknerare you working on it?03:30
littlepaulatm yes, but not daily..03:30
jelknerlittlepaul: neither kevin or i can read german03:31
littlepauljelkner, I read the #edubuntulogs and try to select important things...; in the near future we will translate the site03:31
jelknergreat03:32
littlepauljelkner, i will contact you03:32
jelknerlater on, we can compare docs for consistency, completeness, etc03:32
mhzfaq/ if this is important, maybe we could run a poll or survey on the ML03:32
jelknerit is way to early to do that now03:32
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mhzfaq/ and have them submit a list of Q/A03:32
jelknerok, we need to get back to working on the book03:33
mhzyup03:33
jelknermhz: how did you want to help?03:33
mhzjelkner: simply reading and complementing info, addng screenshots, and maybe sections for endusers03:34
mhzAdding edubuntu everywhere03:34
mhz:)03:34
kjcolemhz, (FYI: My time today is short...  I've got out-of-country visitors coming early next week.)03:34
jelknerperhaps the best bet is to let kevin and i finish stage 1, and then distribute what we come up with to all interested folks03:35
jelknerwe still don't have a revision control system working03:36
mhzkjcole: np, i understand03:36
jelknerso we'll just be emailing each other tar balls03:36
jelknerand getting together in person03:36
mhzjelkner: what is the issue with RCS? hosting or making it work?03:37
kjcolemhz, do you have your own web space anywhere that is NOT a wiki?  (Just a place where you can dump files?)  Until "bzr push" works the way we'd like, the only option is for me to pull changes from other people's web spaces.03:37
jelknerwe found a place to host03:37
jelknermaking it work is the problem03:37
jelknerif  you know bzr03:37
jelknerand wish to help that way03:37
jelkneryou could work with paul flint to make it work03:37
mhzkjcole: ehehe, I can offer SSH access to either 'ubuntu-cl.org' or 'tecnocimiento.cl'  (i prefer the first)03:38
jelknerthat would be great03:38
jelknermhz: we have a machine03:38
mhzand make BZR test as a server03:38
jelknerwe just don't know how bzr works03:38
mhzbzr shouldn't be that complex03:38
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mhzI can try and report on monday/tuesday03:38
kjcolemhz, jelkner is trying to phone flint.  I think we may have a solution to the bzr problem...03:41
mhzcool03:41
kjcolemhz, the idea would be that each person working on the cookbook would get their own account on a box that flint has, which is ONLY for documentation. That gets around the problem of opening up my office's computers to the outside world.03:43
kjcolemhz, I've gotten in trouble once before (BIG trouble) for doing that.03:43
mhzkjcole: I understand03:43
mhzI have never had problems so far03:44
mhzbecause SSH is used by trusted people via SSH-keys03:44
kjcolemhz, the master repository would move to my account on flint's machine, which he's setting up as docbox.flint.com (I don't know if he's finished that yet).03:44
kjcolemhz, the problem was that someone I trusted betrayed me.  It wasn't a random stranger.  I was helping a student, and he found a way to hack into all of campus using my system.03:45
mhzkjcole: oooooooppps03:45
mhzsheets!!!03:46
kjcolemhz, the director of computer services called campus security, who overreacted and called the FBI computer crime squad.  I was not allowed on campus for three months, my comptuer was confiscated, and I was lucky to get a job back.  So, now I'm very, very paranoid.  Not about people off-campus, but about gallaudet overreacting again.03:47
mhzkjcole: i am truly sorry03:48
mhzand i guess/hope that wont happen again03:48
mhzwe need you to have that job so you can have time to help us :)03:49
kjcolemhz, not a problem.  It's just that I'll put stuff on these machines for people to "pull" to their machines, but there's no way I'm going to give write access.  And this gallaudet comptuers are the only place that I can set up bzr.  But by setting up on flint's machine which is running ubuntu, the problem is solved... I hope.03:50
mhzme too03:50
mhzand in case that wont work, we can still use ubuntu-cl.org03:50
kjcolemhz, that's also a strong possibility.03:51
mhzsomething like educookbook.ubuntu-cl.org03:51
=== mhz would love to have huge server to offer UserModeLinux accounts hosting so everyone can have a whole machine to work on
mhzor screw up03:52
mhz:)03:52
kjcolemhz, There's a fun idea!  (We had a great presentation to students on UML from a local guy here.)03:53
kjcolemhz, jelkner's finally gotten a hold of flint and he's explaining the details now.03:54
mhzeducool03:54
kjcolemhz, jelkner's encouraging flint onto #edubuntu03:55
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kjcolemhz, he should be joining us in a moment.03:55
mhzkjcole: I know nothing about UML just the theory and some benefits I imagine03:56
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kjcolemhz, The presentation is online... I THINK on yhslug.tux.org.03:56
mhz(gee, I am not sure this is an a11y issue, kjcole but I do mix stuff when writing)03:57
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mhzflint: welcome03:57
kjcolehttp://yhslug.tux.org/presentations/uml.tar.bz203:57
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flintmhz, you there?04:01
mhzflint: alive and kicking04:01
mhz;)04:02
flintmhz is "mhz" an acceptable username?04:03
mhzhmmm, it stands for Mauricio Hernandez Zamora04:03
mhzmy real name04:03
flinti mean like a shell logon identifier?04:03
mhzooh, yes04:03
jelknermhz, flint, let us know how it goes...04:03
jelkneri'm going to sign off and work on editing04:04
mhzflint: my ssh key was genearated from mhz user04:04
jelknermy little pooh brain can't mulittask very well :-(04:04
kjcoleok, jelkner and I are pulling out for now.   You and flint will be working out details of DNS registration and user access.  I'll move the repository to docbox.flint.com...04:04
mhzjelkner: it's the diet cokes04:04
jelknersame time next week04:04
jelknerlol04:04
jelknernot to mention fits, but more about that later04:04
flintmhz hang on the channel...we have business.04:05
mhzflint: okis04:05
kjcolemhz, you got that right.  And thanks for reminding me.  I need my third one for the morning... Caffeine!!!04:05
mhzkjcole: hehe04:05
mhzlol04:05
flintwhat is your phone number?04:05
mhzkjcole: have noice day with visits04:05
mhzflint: mine?04:05
flintelkner, you need an account on this box as well.  Trust me.04:05
mhzflint: no idea on which machine you are working on, but I can send you my ssh-key public part04:06
flintmhz, never mind.  are you familiar with the lower case name of a long, yellow fruit in english?04:06
mhzyup :D04:06
mhzthough, no code-monkey here :D04:07
flintI do not have this machine in dns yet.04:07
flintthe ip address is: 64.5.53.104 04:07
mhzokis04:07
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flintyou have shell priviledges on this system.04:07
flintI thought this meeting was at 10:00 EDT... good grief!04:08
flintyou are not there yet!04:08
mhzflint: i'm there04:08
flintyes indeed you are!  do you know ytalk?04:08
mhznope, but i can try04:09
flintgrrr it is not working hold on...04:11
flintgot it...04:12
flinttry ytalk flint...04:13
flinthold on let me loose root.04:13
mhzheheh04:14
mhzI was reading man04:14
flintthanks for your patience...please try again...04:14
mhzwhat should I press to accept?04:14
flintY i suppose...04:14
flinthang on I am getting eric-the-weasel on line...04:15
mhz-bash: Y: command not found04:16
mhzhmm, let's try again04:16
flintgotcha...  I saw you come up but forgot to press y04:17
mhzoh, y intead of Y04:17
mhzhmm, let's try again04:17
mhz:)04:17
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mhznope04:17
flintthanks for your patiencey04:18
mhzno y either04:18
flintthanks again try.04:18
mhznew_user: bad host: 'none':04:18
flintgot to add another user now.  try ytalk -h 64.5.53.104 flint04:19
flintok now let us try this one more time...\04:20
mhzokis, i wait04:20
mhzseems ok?04:21
mhzwhat if we use 'write' messaging application?04:22
flinthold 04:22
mhzokis04:23
mhzflint: I am very patient, esp. whith new things for me, so I am very relax04:23
mhzsont worry04:23
mhzdont worry04:23
flinthold got problems with other user...04:24
flintgot rid of other user...yay!04:25
flintok.  one problem is that this box thinks its name is "none".  Its name is docbox.04:25
flintany ideas?04:25
mhzflint: hmm, what if we use write?04:26
mhzdo you see my messages in your terminal?04:26
flinti have never had luck with it.  you are on, so I am working on getting this box set up to be very usable.04:27
mhzokis04:27
mhzwhat if we chanfe the hostname?04:27
flintI have messages.  04:27
flintcheck the hostname file...04:27
mhzcan you respond them starting with write?04:27
mhzoh, rihgt04:28
flintwhat is the syntax for write?04:28
mhzmaybe you set it but you have not rebooted sonce then?04:28
mhzwrite user04:28
mhzand just write stuff04:28
flintfor gods sake.  this is linux, now windows :^)04:28
mhzhehehe04:28
mhzsorry04:28
mhzrestarted the service?04:29
mhz:D04:29
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flintdid not work with write.  send me the exact syntax of a message you write to me.04:29
mhz$ write flint <enter>04:29
mhzand I guess you should write back like 04:30
flintgot it.  the brackets have eluded me hold...04:30
mhz$ write mhz04:30
mhzor04:30
mhz$ write hi back04:30
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mhz:)04:30
flintyou sent the word "holas" please cut and paste that line into this stream.04:30
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mhz$ write flint <ENTER> 04:31
mhzholas04:31
flintok, I got it, I hate this.  the idea is you must open and close the command line stream... back to ytalk.04:32
mhzhehehe04:32
flintgive me a mon04:32
spacey_kii recommend using irc04:32
spacey_ki:)04:32
flintspacey_ki, nothing beats ssh and ytalk for discretion... but your point is well taken...04:33
spacey_kiwhats discreet about it?:P04:34
flintwell, we want to work on this particular system, and we are both remote to it.04:34
mhzflint: so, just enter doesn't keep it open?04:35
flintmhz, see what i mean?04:35
mhzflint: oh, but if you wait until i reply ?04:35
flintbtw thanks for the write lesson.  I was never able to get the silly thing right (write:^)04:36
mhz:)04:36
flintmhz did you see  twelve lines scroll by on your terminal?04:37
mhzyup04:37
mhzbut what if you dont press CTRL-D04:37
mhz?04:37
mhzand I try to respond04:37
flintif you end your wriite session with an <enter> key how can you send me a multi line write?04:38
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flintI presume without further guidance, that the only way to terminate a write session is with a file close...04:38
mhz Any further lines you enter will be copied to the specified users terminal.  If the other04:38
mhz     user wants to reply, they must run write as well.04:38
flintfile closes can be mapped to whatever, but on my terminal they are not mapped to enter04:38
flintlemme work on this machine name problem and then the dns registration.  This box will be called docbox.flint.com04:39
mhzThe traditional protocol for writing to someone is that the string -o, either at the end of04:39
mhz     a line or on a line by itself, means that its the other persons turn to talk.  The string04:39
mhz     oo means that the person believes the conversation to be over.04:39
flintin the world of galladuette university, a tradition exists within the hearing impaired community to conclude tty with the string "sksk"04:41
flintthis translates to "stop key stop key", arent these things wonderful to know?04:41
mhzheheh, indeed04:42
mhzbut I keep seeing EOF ;)04:42
flinteven with the -o at the end I still need to send a <control> d in order to get the message away in write...04:43
flintany ideas on the machine name?04:43
mhzwhat if we used 'talk' only?04:44
mhz$ talk user04:44
flintyou chew on that I am going to try to figure why the weasel cannot log on.  04:44
mhzokis04:45
flintthat is going around the problem and may not do the job.  worth a try i suppose.  btw you got a skype terminal?04:45
mhzheheh, nope04:45
mhzno skype, no AMSN, no Gaim04:45
mhzonly irc04:45
mhzno Kopete04:45
flintjust thinking about my case of carpel tunnel... :^)04:45
mhz(though Kopete was started by a Chilean fella)04:45
mhzohh04:46
mhzsorry04:46
mhzI have Gnome-Meeting04:46
flintstand by and let me work on this login problem.  see if you can figure out how to chang this damn boxes name from "none"04:46
mhzflint: piece of cake04:48
mhzas root, edit /etc/hostname04:48
mhzand change it for whatever04:48
mhzthen, /etc/init.d/hostnmae.sh restart04:49
mhzwell, flint with no typos :D04:49
flintwill try... note that hostname is already changed.04:50
mhzthen04:50
mhzjust run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh04:50
mhzand, after that, relogin so terminal get refreshed04:51
flintnever encountered the hostname shell before... thought it got read at login or by inetd or whatever...04:51
mhz:)04:52
flintdid not work.04:52
mhzyou will know 'hostname' has been changed because when you run 'hostname' it will show04:52
mhz?04:52
flintflint@none:~ $ ytalk mhz04:52
flintnew_user: bad host: 'none':04:52
mhzflint: you have not run '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' have you?04:53
flintoh indeed i did... and notice that /etc/hostname is "docbox"04:54
flint...beginning to think a reboot is a good idea :^)04:54
mhzand I am not in 'admin' group so I can't do it for you, but it must work04:55
flinti know...04:55
mhzbecause it works on my 2 ubuntu boxes04:55
mhzwithout rebooting04:55
mhzand does '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' give you any output?04:56
flintnot a thing...04:56
flintlet me take this apart a bit.04:56
mhzehehehe, but please remove me from admin group after we solve this04:57
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mhzokis04:57
mhzit works04:57
mhzflint: you have to exit and login back again to see the changes04:58
flinti did that.  I just executed the gnu hostname command and the box appears to be docbox...04:58
flinthang-on.04:58
mhzagain pleasw :)04:59
mhzat least no more bad host05:00
flintnow that the name is working things are gettgin better05:01
flintI could try talk...05:02
flint[Ringing mhz...] 05:02
=== mhz responds talk flint@64.5.53.104
mhzbut nothing happens05:03
flintthis should not be this hard.... :^(05:03
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writerHi noch ein mal. I need the help. Who know how make LiveCD Edubuntu?06:13
lucasvowriter: there is a livecd06:14
writerWhere?06:14
lucasvohttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/06:14
lucasvowriter: but it is quite new, so there are some bugs06:15
writerAnd may I self make LiveCD from my system. I mix ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu very nice06:16
lucasvowriter: I don't know about that 06:17
writerOK. Who used Edubuntu in school? I intersting usability of Edubuntu.06:20
writerlucasvo: on the link I saw only  MD5SUMS  08-Jan-2006 01:04    0     MD5SUMS.gpg             08-Jan-2006 01:04  189     report.html             08-Jan-2006 00:54  253   06:22
lucasvohttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060105/06:22
writer lucasvo: O! Thanks, I found06:26
mhzwriter: I have used Edubuntu in schools06:32
mhzwriter: so far, Edubuntu is very cool06:33
mhzfor schools env.06:34
writerenv.? what is this? What kind classes?06:34
mhzenvironment06:35
mhzMat classes?06:35
mhzmath06:35
mhzand language06:36
mhzfor young kids06:36
mhzbut for me it's been only testing, not on regular basis06:36
writerWhat age young kids?06:36
writerand where. Your country mhz?06:37
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flintollie, whazzzup?07:49
flintwe have cobbled together a bzr repository at docbox.flint.com07:49
flintthis is a messy pile of plates, the base of the system is warty and not subject to change...07:50
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flintmhz, are you back?09:02
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