[01:08] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[09:30] <johnjohn> hello
[09:31] <johnjohn> oops... got to change my nickname
[09:33] <johnjohn> I "just" installed edubuntu for the first time
[09:34] <johnjohn> the simplest linux install i ever tried.  Mind you it's only my second or third one.
[09:34] <johnjohn> couldn't wait for the cd's in the mail so i d/l edubuntu
[09:35] <johnjohn> well cya
[02:47] <frank3265948> Hi everybody, could sb give me a hint how to turn an installed Ubuntu into Edubuntu? I would expect it would be possible to add some Edubuntu repository locations and install the Edubuntu packages from there... But how?
[02:54] <spacey_ki> frank3265948, type `apt-cache search edubuntu` or search for edubuntu in synaptic
[02:54] <spacey_ki> and install the parts you like from edubuntu
[02:54] <spacey_ki> edubuntu-desktop will do most of the trick
[02:54] <spacey_ki> for an edubuntu desktop
[02:56] <frank3265948> Thanks! That is really easy :-)) 
[03:05] <mhz> has anyone seen jelkner or kjcole today?
[03:08] <juliux> no
[03:10] <mhz> juliux: hey
[03:10] <mhz> juliux: i sometimes forget you are a total geek!
[03:10] <mhz> ;)
[03:11] <mhz> I could not have expected more from a geek answer: 1 or 0
[03:11] <mhz> :D
[03:11] <frank3265948> Another question, are there any Edubuntu or Ubuntu resources in Hungarian for 12 year olds, especially an introduction to using the PC and the Internet?
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, hehe
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, do you want to have a thin client?
[03:12] <mhz> want to have?
[03:12] <mhz> YES!
[03:12] <juliux> mhz, i will check what it cost to send one to you
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: I hope you will not tell me: "me too"
[03:12] <mhz> juliux: wowo!!!
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: thank you ver VERY VERY much!
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: what have I done to deserve this?
[03:13] <juliux> mhz, i get 6 thinclients from a company to develop and test edubuntu
[03:13] <mhz> juliux: congrats!
[03:14] <juliux> and a friend of me has also 26 thinclients
[03:14] <mhz> Are there companies in Germany interested in Edubuntu development?
[03:14] <juliux> it is a very small company
[03:14] <mhz> frank3265948: I can't quite understand the question. Could be more specific please?
[03:14] <juliux> and the sell thinclients on ebay and i ask them if i can get some cheaper for edubuntu development
[03:15] <juliux> and i think that you can use on very good
[03:16] <mhz> juliux: I truly appreciate your offer
[03:16] <mhz> and I gladly accept it
[03:16] <mhz> kjcole: hey
[03:16] <mhz> kjcole: are we meeting with jelkner?
[03:16] <frank3265948> Ok, I'm preparing a PC with Edubuntu for Domi, a 12 year old girl in Hungary. She knows verly little English only. That's why I'm asking about any kind of resources in Hungarian, books, articles,... 
[03:17] <juliux> but i have to check what the shipit cost and what the taxes must paid
[03:17] <mhz> frank3265948: oh, you mean books, writings or Applications?
[03:17] <kjcole> mhz: G'morning.  We're both just setting up.  Elkner was getting the diet cokes. ;-)
[03:17] <juliux> mhz, can you send me your address to juliux@ubuntu-de.org
[03:18] <mhz> juliux: sure!
[03:18] <kjcole> mhz: He's still booting up his laptop.  Joining us momentarily.
[03:18] <mhz> juliux: i am about to start a meeting. After that, you'll get an email from me
[03:18] <juliux> ok
[03:18] <mhz> kjcole: MOMENTARILY?
[03:18] <mhz> oops, sorry Caps
[03:19] <kjcole> mhz: In a moment...
[03:22] <jelkner> mhz: good morning, mauricio, i haven't spoken to you since yesterday! ;-)
[03:22] <mhz> kjcole: and what # would this be?
[03:22] <kjcole> mhz, "...and then there were three..." ;-)
[03:22] <mhz> jclinton: hehe, welcome back
[03:22] <mhz> jelkner: hehe, welcome back
[03:22] <jelkner> btw. do you have the log from yesterday?
[03:22] <mhz> DUH!!!
[03:23] <mhz> this autocompleting
[03:23] <mhz> jelkner: yup, sorry i haven't sent it
[03:23] <mhz> i will right away
[03:23] <jelkner> gracias!
[03:23] <mhz> nada de gracias... U$1,000
[03:23] <mhz> :D
[03:23] <kjcole> lucasvo, ping?
[03:24] <mhz> jelkner: where should we move?
[03:24] <mhz> or will stay here?
[03:24] <jelkner> well, we could pop over to #ubuntu-dca
[03:25] <mhz> I will accept what you guys tell me
[03:25] <kjcole> mhz, go there. ;-)
[03:26] <mhz> okis
[03:26] <jelkner> mhz: never mind, why not stay here?
[03:27] <mhz> hehehe
[03:27] <jelkner> i know where the logs go for this channel
[03:27] <jelkner> and we may need to ping ogra
[03:27] <mhz> I'm here then
[03:27] <jelkner> ok, here is the plan:
[03:28] <jelkner> 1. we take the existing text, and editing as little as possible, we convert it from tuxlabs to edubuntu
[03:28] <jelkner> 2. we start adding new material, screen shots, etc. specific to the dapper edubuntu release
[03:29] <jelkner> we are well on our way to completing 1
[03:29] <mhz> .oO(so far, so good
[03:29] <littlepaul> jelkner, what about a edubuntu faq like http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Edubuntufaq?
[03:29] <jelkner> 2 will need to wait until later toward spring when we have a running edubuntu to work with
[03:30] <jelkner> littlepaul: i don't know anything about the faq
[03:30] <jelkner> are you working on it?
[03:30] <littlepaul> atm yes, but not daily..
[03:31] <jelkner> littlepaul: neither kevin or i can read german
[03:31] <littlepaul> jelkner, I read the #edubuntulogs and try to select important things...; in the near future we will translate the site
[03:32] <jelkner> great
[03:32] <littlepaul> jelkner, i will contact you
[03:32] <jelkner> later on, we can compare docs for consistency, completeness, etc
[03:32] <mhz> faq/ if this is important, maybe we could run a poll or survey on the ML
[03:32] <jelkner> it is way to early to do that now
[03:32] <mhz> faq/ and have them submit a list of Q/A
[03:33] <jelkner> ok, we need to get back to working on the book
[03:33] <mhz> yup
[03:33] <jelkner> mhz: how did you want to help?
[03:34] <mhz> jelkner: simply reading and complementing info, addng screenshots, and maybe sections for endusers
[03:34] <mhz> Adding edubuntu everywhere
[03:34] <mhz> :)
[03:34] <kjcole> mhz, (FYI: My time today is short...  I've got out-of-country visitors coming early next week.)
[03:35] <jelkner> perhaps the best bet is to let kevin and i finish stage 1, and then distribute what we come up with to all interested folks
[03:36] <jelkner> we still don't have a revision control system working
[03:36] <mhz> kjcole: np, i understand
[03:36] <jelkner> so we'll just be emailing each other tar balls
[03:36] <jelkner> and getting together in person
[03:37] <mhz> jelkner: what is the issue with RCS? hosting or making it work?
[03:37] <kjcole> mhz, do you have your own web space anywhere that is NOT a wiki?  (Just a place where you can dump files?)  Until "bzr push" works the way we'd like, the only option is for me to pull changes from other people's web spaces.
[03:37] <jelkner> we found a place to host
[03:37] <jelkner> making it work is the problem
[03:37] <jelkner> if  you know bzr
[03:37] <jelkner> and wish to help that way
[03:37] <jelkner> you could work with paul flint to make it work
[03:38] <mhz> kjcole: ehehe, I can offer SSH access to either 'ubuntu-cl.org' or 'tecnocimiento.cl'  (i prefer the first)
[03:38] <jelkner> that would be great
[03:38] <jelkner> mhz: we have a machine
[03:38] <mhz> and make BZR test as a server
[03:38] <jelkner> we just don't know how bzr works
[03:38] <mhz> bzr shouldn't be that complex
[03:38] <mhz> I can try and report on monday/tuesday
[03:41] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner is trying to phone flint.  I think we may have a solution to the bzr problem...
[03:41] <mhz> cool
[03:43] <kjcole> mhz, the idea would be that each person working on the cookbook would get their own account on a box that flint has, which is ONLY for documentation. That gets around the problem of opening up my office's computers to the outside world.
[03:43] <kjcole> mhz, I've gotten in trouble once before (BIG trouble) for doing that.
[03:43] <mhz> kjcole: I understand
[03:44] <mhz> I have never had problems so far
[03:44] <mhz> because SSH is used by trusted people via SSH-keys
[03:44] <kjcole> mhz, the master repository would move to my account on flint's machine, which he's setting up as docbox.flint.com (I don't know if he's finished that yet).
[03:45] <kjcole> mhz, the problem was that someone I trusted betrayed me.  It wasn't a random stranger.  I was helping a student, and he found a way to hack into all of campus using my system.
[03:45] <mhz> kjcole: oooooooppps
[03:46] <mhz> sheets!!!
[03:47] <kjcole> mhz, the director of computer services called campus security, who overreacted and called the FBI computer crime squad.  I was not allowed on campus for three months, my comptuer was confiscated, and I was lucky to get a job back.  So, now I'm very, very paranoid.  Not about people off-campus, but about gallaudet overreacting again.
[03:48] <mhz> kjcole: i am truly sorry
[03:48] <mhz> and i guess/hope that wont happen again
[03:49] <mhz> we need you to have that job so you can have time to help us :)
[03:50] <kjcole> mhz, not a problem.  It's just that I'll put stuff on these machines for people to "pull" to their machines, but there's no way I'm going to give write access.  And this gallaudet comptuers are the only place that I can set up bzr.  But by setting up on flint's machine which is running ubuntu, the problem is solved... I hope.
[03:50] <mhz> me too
[03:50] <mhz> and in case that wont work, we can still use ubuntu-cl.org
[03:51] <kjcole> mhz, that's also a strong possibility.
[03:51] <mhz> something like educookbook.ubuntu-cl.org
[03:52] <mhz> or screw up
[03:52] <mhz> :)
[03:53] <kjcole> mhz, There's a fun idea!  (We had a great presentation to students on UML from a local guy here.)
[03:54] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner's finally gotten a hold of flint and he's explaining the details now.
[03:54] <mhz> educool
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, jelkner's encouraging flint onto #edubuntu
[03:55] <kjcole> mhz, he should be joining us in a moment.
[03:56] <mhz> kjcole: I know nothing about UML just the theory and some benefits I imagine
[03:56] <kjcole> mhz, The presentation is online... I THINK on yhslug.tux.org.
[03:57] <mhz> (gee, I am not sure this is an a11y issue, kjcole but I do mix stuff when writing)
[03:57] <mhz> flint: welcome
[03:57] <kjcole> http://yhslug.tux.org/presentations/uml.tar.bz2
[04:01] <flint> mhz, you there?
[04:01] <mhz> flint: alive and kicking
[04:02] <mhz> ;)
[04:03] <flint> mhz is "mhz" an acceptable username?
[04:03] <mhz> hmmm, it stands for Mauricio Hernandez Zamora
[04:03] <mhz> my real name
[04:03] <flint> i mean like a shell logon identifier?
[04:03] <mhz> ooh, yes
[04:03] <jelkner> mhz, flint, let us know how it goes...
[04:04] <jelkner> i'm going to sign off and work on editing
[04:04] <mhz> flint: my ssh key was genearated from mhz user
[04:04] <jelkner> my little pooh brain can't mulittask very well :-(
[04:04] <kjcole> ok, jelkner and I are pulling out for now.   You and flint will be working out details of DNS registration and user access.  I'll move the repository to docbox.flint.com...
[04:04] <mhz> jelkner: it's the diet cokes
[04:04] <jelkner> same time next week
[04:04] <jelkner> lol
[04:04] <jelkner> not to mention fits, but more about that later
[04:05] <flint> mhz hang on the channel...we have business.
[04:05] <mhz> flint: okis
[04:05] <kjcole> mhz, you got that right.  And thanks for reminding me.  I need my third one for the morning... Caffeine!!!
[04:05] <mhz> kjcole: hehe
[04:05] <mhz> lol
[04:05] <flint> what is your phone number?
[04:05] <mhz> kjcole: have noice day with visits
[04:05] <mhz> flint: mine?
[04:05] <flint> elkner, you need an account on this box as well.  Trust me.
[04:06] <mhz> flint: no idea on which machine you are working on, but I can send you my ssh-key public part
[04:06] <flint> mhz, never mind.  are you familiar with the lower case name of a long, yellow fruit in english?
[04:06] <mhz> yup :D
[04:07] <mhz> though, no code-monkey here :D
[04:07] <flint> I do not have this machine in dns yet.
[04:07] <flint> the ip address is: 64.5.53.104 
[04:07] <mhz> okis
[04:07] <flint> you have shell priviledges on this system.
[04:08] <flint> I thought this meeting was at 10:00 EDT... good grief!
[04:08] <flint> you are not there yet!
[04:08] <mhz> flint: i'm there
[04:08] <flint> yes indeed you are!  do you know ytalk?
[04:09] <mhz> nope, but i can try
[04:11] <flint> grrr it is not working hold on...
[04:12] <flint> got it...
[04:13] <flint> try ytalk flint...
[04:13] <flint> hold on let me loose root.
[04:14] <mhz> heheh
[04:14] <mhz> I was reading man
[04:14] <flint> thanks for your patience...please try again...
[04:14] <mhz> what should I press to accept?
[04:14] <flint> Y i suppose...
[04:15] <flint> hang on I am getting eric-the-weasel on line...
[04:16] <mhz> -bash: Y: command not found
[04:16] <mhz> hmm, let's try again
[04:17] <flint> gotcha...  I saw you come up but forgot to press y
[04:17] <mhz> oh, y intead of Y
[04:17] <mhz> hmm, let's try again
[04:17] <mhz> :)
[04:17] <mhz> nope
[04:18] <flint> thanks for your patiencey
[04:18] <mhz> no y either
[04:18] <flint> thanks again try.
[04:18] <mhz> new_user: bad host: 'none':
[04:19] <flint> got to add another user now.  try ytalk -h 64.5.53.104 flint
[04:20] <flint> ok now let us try this one more time...\
[04:20] <mhz> okis, i wait
[04:21] <mhz> seems ok?
[04:22] <mhz> what if we use 'write' messaging application?
[04:22] <flint> hold 
[04:23] <mhz> okis
[04:23] <mhz> flint: I am very patient, esp. whith new things for me, so I am very relax
[04:23] <mhz> sont worry
[04:23] <mhz> dont worry
[04:24] <flint> hold got problems with other user...
[04:25] <flint> got rid of other user...yay!
[04:25] <flint> ok.  one problem is that this box thinks its name is "none".  Its name is docbox.
[04:25] <flint> any ideas?
[04:26] <mhz> flint: hmm, what if we use write?
[04:26] <mhz> do you see my messages in your terminal?
[04:27] <flint> i have never had luck with it.  you are on, so I am working on getting this box set up to be very usable.
[04:27] <mhz> okis
[04:27] <mhz> what if we chanfe the hostname?
[04:27] <flint> I have messages.  
[04:27] <flint> check the hostname file...
[04:27] <mhz> can you respond them starting with write?
[04:28] <mhz> oh, rihgt
[04:28] <flint> what is the syntax for write?
[04:28] <mhz> maybe you set it but you have not rebooted sonce then?
[04:28] <mhz> write user
[04:28] <mhz> and just write stuff
[04:28] <flint> for gods sake.  this is linux, now windows :^)
[04:28] <mhz> hehehe
[04:28] <mhz> sorry
[04:29] <mhz> restarted the service?
[04:29] <mhz> :D
[04:29] <flint> did not work with write.  send me the exact syntax of a message you write to me.
[04:29] <mhz> $ write flint <enter>
[04:30] <mhz> and I guess you should write back like 
[04:30] <flint> got it.  the brackets have eluded me hold...
[04:30] <mhz> $ write mhz
[04:30] <mhz> or
[04:30] <mhz> $ write hi back
[04:30] <mhz> :)
[04:30] <flint> you sent the word "holas" please cut and paste that line into this stream.
[04:31] <mhz> $ write flint <ENTER> 
[04:31] <mhz> holas
[04:32] <flint> ok, I got it, I hate this.  the idea is you must open and close the command line stream... back to ytalk.
[04:32] <mhz> hehehe
[04:32] <flint> give me a mon
[04:32] <spacey_ki> i recommend using irc
[04:32] <spacey_ki> :)
[04:33] <flint> spacey_ki, nothing beats ssh and ytalk for discretion... but your point is well taken...
[04:34] <spacey_ki> whats discreet about it?:P
[04:34] <flint> well, we want to work on this particular system, and we are both remote to it.
[04:35] <mhz> flint: so, just enter doesn't keep it open?
[04:35] <flint> mhz, see what i mean?
[04:35] <mhz> flint: oh, but if you wait until i reply ?
[04:36] <flint> btw thanks for the write lesson.  I was never able to get the silly thing right (write:^)
[04:36] <mhz> :)
[04:37] <flint> mhz did you see  twelve lines scroll by on your terminal?
[04:37] <mhz> yup
[04:37] <mhz> but what if you dont press CTRL-D
[04:37] <mhz> ?
[04:37] <mhz> and I try to respond
[04:38] <flint> if you end your wriite session with an <enter> key how can you send me a multi line write?
[04:38] <flint> I presume without further guidance, that the only way to terminate a write session is with a file close...
[04:38] <mhz>  Any further lines you enter will be copied to the specified users terminal.  If the other
[04:38] <mhz>      user wants to reply, they must run write as well.
[04:38] <flint> file closes can be mapped to whatever, but on my terminal they are not mapped to enter
[04:39] <flint> lemme work on this machine name problem and then the dns registration.  This box will be called docbox.flint.com
[04:39] <mhz> The traditional protocol for writing to someone is that the string -o, either at the end of
[04:39] <mhz>      a line or on a line by itself, means that its the other persons turn to talk.  The string
[04:39] <mhz>      oo means that the person believes the conversation to be over.
[04:41] <flint> in the world of galladuette university, a tradition exists within the hearing impaired community to conclude tty with the string "sksk"
[04:41] <flint> this translates to "stop key stop key", arent these things wonderful to know?
[04:42] <mhz> heheh, indeed
[04:42] <mhz> but I keep seeing EOF ;)
[04:43] <flint> even with the -o at the end I still need to send a <control> d in order to get the message away in write...
[04:43] <flint> any ideas on the machine name?
[04:44] <mhz> what if we used 'talk' only?
[04:44] <mhz> $ talk user
[04:44] <flint> you chew on that I am going to try to figure why the weasel cannot log on.  
[04:45] <mhz> okis
[04:45] <flint> that is going around the problem and may not do the job.  worth a try i suppose.  btw you got a skype terminal?
[04:45] <mhz> heheh, nope
[04:45] <mhz> no skype, no AMSN, no Gaim
[04:45] <mhz> only irc
[04:45] <mhz> no Kopete
[04:45] <flint> just thinking about my case of carpel tunnel... :^)
[04:45] <mhz> (though Kopete was started by a Chilean fella)
[04:46] <mhz> ohh
[04:46] <mhz> sorry
[04:46] <mhz> I have Gnome-Meeting
[04:46] <flint> stand by and let me work on this login problem.  see if you can figure out how to chang this damn boxes name from "none"
[04:48] <mhz> flint: piece of cake
[04:48] <mhz> as root, edit /etc/hostname
[04:48] <mhz> and change it for whatever
[04:49] <mhz> then, /etc/init.d/hostnmae.sh restart
[04:49] <mhz> well, flint with no typos :D
[04:50] <flint> will try... note that hostname is already changed.
[04:50] <mhz> then
[04:50] <mhz> just run /etc/init.d/hostname.sh
[04:51] <mhz> and, after that, relogin so terminal get refreshed
[04:51] <flint> never encountered the hostname shell before... thought it got read at login or by inetd or whatever...
[04:52] <mhz> :)
[04:52] <flint> did not work.
[04:52] <mhz> you will know 'hostname' has been changed because when you run 'hostname' it will show
[04:52] <mhz> ?
[04:52] <flint> flint@none:~ $ ytalk mhz
[04:52] <flint> new_user: bad host: 'none':
[04:53] <mhz> flint: you have not run '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' have you?
[04:54] <flint> oh indeed i did... and notice that /etc/hostname is "docbox"
[04:54] <flint> ...beginning to think a reboot is a good idea :^)
[04:55] <mhz> and I am not in 'admin' group so I can't do it for you, but it must work
[04:55] <flint> i know...
[04:55] <mhz> because it works on my 2 ubuntu boxes
[04:55] <mhz> without rebooting
[04:56] <mhz> and does '/etc/init.d/hostname.sh restart' give you any output?
[04:56] <flint> not a thing...
[04:56] <flint> let me take this apart a bit.
[04:57] <mhz> ehehehe, but please remove me from admin group after we solve this
[04:57] <mhz> okis
[04:57] <mhz> it works
[04:58] <mhz> flint: you have to exit and login back again to see the changes
[04:58] <flint> i did that.  I just executed the gnu hostname command and the box appears to be docbox...
[04:58] <flint> hang-on.
[04:59] <mhz> again pleasw :)
[05:00] <mhz> at least no more bad host
[05:01] <flint> now that the name is working things are gettgin better
[05:02] <flint> I could try talk...
[05:02] <flint> [Ringing mhz...] 
[05:03] <mhz> but nothing happens
[05:03] <flint> this should not be this hard.... :^(
[06:13] <writer> Hi noch ein mal. I need the help. Who know how make LiveCD Edubuntu?
[06:14] <lucasvo> writer: there is a livecd
[06:14] <writer> Where?
[06:14] <lucasvo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/
[06:15] <lucasvo> writer: but it is quite new, so there are some bugs
[06:16] <writer> And may I self make LiveCD from my system. I mix ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu very nice
[06:17] <lucasvo> writer: I don't know about that 
[06:20] <writer> OK. Who used Edubuntu in school? I intersting usability of Edubuntu.
[06:22] <writer> lucasvo: on the link I saw only  MD5SUMS  08-Jan-2006 01:04    0     MD5SUMS.gpg             08-Jan-2006 01:04  189     report.html             08-Jan-2006 00:54  253   
[06:22] <lucasvo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily-live/20060105/
[06:26] <writer>  lucasvo: O! Thanks, I found
[06:32] <mhz> writer: I have used Edubuntu in schools
[06:33] <mhz> writer: so far, Edubuntu is very cool
[06:34] <mhz> for schools env.
[06:34] <writer> env.? what is this? What kind classes?
[06:35] <mhz> environment
[06:35] <mhz> Mat classes?
[06:35] <mhz> math
[06:36] <mhz> and language
[06:36] <mhz> for young kids
[06:36] <mhz> but for me it's been only testing, not on regular basis
[06:36] <writer> What age young kids?
[06:37] <writer> and where. Your country mhz?
[07:49] <flint> ollie, whazzzup?
[07:49] <flint> we have cobbled together a bzr repository at docbox.flint.com
[07:50] <flint> this is a messy pile of plates, the base of the system is warty and not subject to change...
[09:02] <flint> mhz, are you back?