| \sh | Riddell: works for me | 12:03 |
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| Riddell | \sh: running ./kde-hal-device-manager? | 12:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: no...but trying kpybt | 12:03 |
| \sh | moment... | 12:03 |
| Riddell | yeah it compiles | 12:03 |
| \sh | ah did you use kapplication instead of qapplication? | 12:04 |
| Riddell | hmm, no I did not | 12:04 |
| \sh | Riddell: for kde you should | 12:04 |
| Riddell | right | 12:04 |
| \sh | about=KAboutData(prgName,prgName,prgVersion,prgDesc,lic,"© 2005") | 12:05 |
| \sh | about.addAuthor(authorname,str(authordesc),authormail) | 12:05 |
| \sh | KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv,about) | 12:05 |
| \sh | app=KApplication() | 12:05 |
| \sh | mainWindow=KPyBTMainWindow(mainpath) | 12:05 |
| \sh | mainWindow.show() | 12:05 |
| \sh | app.setMainWidget(mainWindow) | 12:05 |
| \sh | app.exec_loop() | 12:05 |
| \sh | this is the main fragment in __main__ for the starter :) | 12:05 |
| Riddell | ah thanks, was hoping I wouldn't have to look that up :) | 12:05 |
| \sh | Riddell: the variables for kaboutdata are set before :) | 12:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: and provide a Makefile :) | 12:07 |
| \sh | because the for building the app it should rebuild all .ui stuff :) | 12:07 |
| \sh | so you don't have to carry unused .py files with you :) | 12:07 |
| \sh | Riddell: but I'm glad to see you playing with python and qt/kde stuff :) it's so easy to implement nice apps with those tools :) | 12:09 |
| Riddell | oh yes, it's lovely | 12:09 |
| === Tm_T tested kde-hal-device-manager today, found it useful | ||
| Riddell | the hal person doesn't want it in hal though :( | 12:09 |
| \sh | why not? | 12:11 |
| Riddell | doesn't want to have the same code in twice just for two different widget sets, and it's not that useful to end users anyway | 12:11 |
| allee | ah, an discussion about hal ... | 12:14 |
| allee | Riddell: any idea how best to debug what media events kfile_media gets? | 12:14 |
| Riddell | allee: nope, I don't think I even know what kfile_media is | 12:15 |
| allee | I try to figure out gphoto2 supported camera do not generate a pop up (works fine here with usb storage kameras) | 12:15 |
| allee | Riddell: I added a service type for ServiceTypes=media/removable_unmounted,media/camera_unmounted | 12:17 |
| allee | and now digikam download dialog can be started when a usb disk is pluged in | 12:17 |
| allee | but ServiceTypes=media/gphoto2camera | 12:17 |
| allee | gives nothing when a gphoto2 supported camera gets pluged in :( | 12:18 |
| \sh | Riddell: then package the stuff by yourself and bring it into ubuntu :) | 12:19 |
| \sh | Riddell: the gtk ui is separate from the normal hal package right? | 12:19 |
| Riddell | it's part of the hal sources | 12:20 |
| \sh | Riddell: but a separate package? | 12:20 |
| Riddell | yes, separate binary package | 12:20 |
| \sh | so you could seed your package for kubuntu | 12:20 |
| Riddell | certainly could | 12:20 |
| \sh | (if it's seeded anyways for ubuntu, the gtk ui) | 12:21 |
| Riddell | it's in main | 12:22 |
| Riddell | trouble with kde-hal-device-manager is that python-dcop brings in glib and stuff, but we have that in anyway from gstreamer | 12:23 |
| Verwilst | hm, how do i make xine play .mov again? :p | 12:23 |
| Riddell | Verwilst: get w32codecs | 12:23 |
| Verwilst | i have :p | 12:23 |
| Verwilst | maybe i'll just copy the binaries from the player site | 12:24 |
| Verwilst | mplayer* | 12:24 |
| \sh | Riddell: are you sure you need python-dcop? | 12:25 |
| \sh | Riddell: have a look here: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2005-May/010265.html | 12:25 |
| \sh | Riddell: pykde brings his own dcop implementation as far as I know | 12:26 |
| teprrr | but wasn't that hal-device-manager qt-only? | 12:26 |
| \sh | teprrr: because riddell missed kdepyuic :) | 12:27 |
| teprrr | \sh, ahh. okay :) | 12:28 |
| \sh | Riddell: btw...dapper gets now a new python-kde3 package where I fixed some dependencies for python-kde3-dev | 12:30 |
| Riddell | \sh: just saw that coming by on dapper-changes | 12:32 |
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| teprrr | xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed | 12:34 |
| teprrr | xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed | 12:34 |
| teprrr | still no luck with these? | 12:34 |
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| Tm_T | teprrr <3 | 12:34 |
| Tm_T | whooops | 12:35 |
| teprrr | btw, akregator has gotten an update but I see nothing new on gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper feed.. why's that? | 12:35 |
| teprrr | Tm_T ;) | 12:35 |
| \sh | aren't we using the akregator from kdenetwork? | 12:36 |
| teprrr | akregator is in kdepim :) | 12:36 |
| teprrr | but hmm, so if something new happens on metapackage kdepim, all the packages get "updated"? | 12:36 |
| \sh | well...kdepim then | 12:36 |
| \sh | no | 12:36 |
| \sh | only if something is changing in kdepim source package :) then yes :) | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | /var/lib/dpkg/info/texinfo.postinst: line 56: update_ls_files: command not found | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | install problem | 12:37 |
| \sh | Tm_T: it's fixed in 4.8-3 | 12:37 |
| Tm_T | \sh: Setting up texinfo (4.8-3) | 12:38 |
| \sh | uh..then 4.8-4 | 12:38 |
| Tm_T | :p | 12:38 |
| \sh | which is not there in debian ;) | 12:38 |
| Tm_T | and that comes... | 12:38 |
| \sh | hmm...but why I was installing it today without any problems? | 12:38 |
| \sh | I just tested it | 12:38 |
| Tm_T | heh | 12:38 |
| Tm_T | well, I'll wait | 12:39 |
| \sh | I only saw the bugreport and debians maintainer talking about a fix...4.8-4 but 4.8-3 was the last one in the debian archives and nothing in incoming | 12:39 |
| teprrr | \sh, well. um, afaik kdepim isn't anything but metapackage on ubuntu, and it's a module name in kde.. | 12:39 |
| \sh | Files: | 12:40 |
| \sh | f3e627eadadedcbb43dc5c5a0fed7bfd 1579 kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3.dsc | 12:40 |
| \sh | 3e1d7613173f369c69ec95ac116738c4 16251713 kdepim_3.5.0.orig.tar.gz | 12:40 |
| \sh | cffe015c6c646bf5bd274f3ac97d66ca 154938 kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3.diff.gz | 12:40 |
| \sh | no it's a source package name :) | 12:40 |
| teprrr | hmm.. :p | 12:40 |
| teprrr | where can I get that? | 12:40 |
| \sh | kdepim the meta package is in universe (breezy that is) and is a real meta package :) | 12:40 |
| \sh | teprrr: hmm? running breezy or dapper? | 12:41 |
| teprrr | \sh, dapper | 12:41 |
| \sh | teprrr: the source you will get if you vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add a deb-src line the same way as the normal deb line | 12:41 |
| \sh | then apt-get update | 12:41 |
| \sh | and apt-get source <package name> e.g. apt-get source akregator will download kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3* | 12:42 |
| teprrr | well, mmh. yes I know that way.. but umm | 12:43 |
| teprrr | well, umh, mmh | 12:43 |
| teprrr | gonna watch shield first :) | 12:43 |
| \sh | to get the source of the kdepim meta package | 12:43 |
| \sh | is as well in the kdepim source package :) | 12:43 |
| \sh | check the debian/control | 12:43 |
| teprrr | yup, gonna check it | 12:45 |
| teprrr | mhm, source didn't went into /usr/src.. :o | 12:51 |
| \sh | no it's going directly there where you start the apt-get source command | 12:52 |
| \sh | there is a .dsc | 12:52 |
| \sh | a .diff.gz | 12:52 |
| \sh | a .orig.tar.gz | 12:52 |
| \sh | and a directory with the source named like kdepim-3.5.0 | 12:52 |
| \sh | it's not like redhat where it goes into /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/ | 12:52 |
| \sh | or something like this | 12:52 |
| teprrr | ah, yes, I recalled it falsely | 12:54 |
| teprrr | umh, why on earth the whole kdepim is packaged into one package?! | 12:57 |
| \sh | no.. | 12:57 |
| \sh | the binaries are splitted into several packages as you can see in debian/control | 12:58 |
| \sh | the source but is one big fat file..ask KDE.org why it is like this :) | 12:58 |
| teprrr | yeah, got it now.. so it's the original source file | 12:58 |
| \sh | the problem right now is, that e.g. amarok or kopete have as well separate single point releases which are not in the release files of the kde dist | 12:59 |
| \sh | teprrr: yes | 12:59 |
| teprrr | mmh, afaik kopete is in kde | 12:59 |
| teprrr | amarok is in extragear, so it's not included in distribution at all | 12:59 |
| \sh | right...I meant akregator :) | 01:00 |
| Riddell | akregator only historyic | 01:00 |
| Riddell | akregator only historyically I think | 01:00 |
| Riddell | before it went into KDE | 01:00 |
| Riddell | kopete did have a separate release to fix a problem with MSN chaning their protocol, we just patched it | 01:00 |
| teprrr | yup, akregator was before 3.4 outside too | 01:00 |
| teprrr | yup, thats the case | 01:01 |
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| teprrr | mmh, where has ssh-askpass disappeared? | 01:19 |
| \sh | /usr/lib/ssh/x11-ssh-askpass | 01:30 |
| \sh | is in ssh-askpass package | 01:30 |
| \sh | or ssh-askpass-gnome or ssh-askpass-fullscreen | 01:30 |
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| Riddell | hello poningru | 01:37 |
| poningru | Hi | 01:38 |
| poningru | woah | 01:38 |
| poningru | Riddell saying hi to me? | 01:39 |
| Riddell | unless there's another poningru around here :) | 01:40 |
| Riddell | poningru: going to join our rocking team of KDE MOTU? | 01:40 |
| poningru | hehe I would love to | 01:41 |
| poningru | if only I had the time | 01:41 |
| poningru | actually if you had some mule work for me to do I would love to do it | 01:41 |
| poningru | see if someone wanted something tested etc. | 01:42 |
| poningru | wait is there a different kde-motu team than the ubuntu motu team? | 01:42 |
| poningru | err kubuntu motu team | 01:42 |
| Riddell | KDE MOTU is one of the teams that makes up the MOTU | 01:43 |
| Riddell | there is also GNOME MOTU and various other affiliations | 01:43 |
| poningru | ah gotcha | 01:43 |
| Riddell | we're all the same MOTU though | 01:43 |
| poningru | right | 01:43 |
| === poningru would love to do some packaging/testing unfortunately dont have enough time | ||
| \sh | there is always some time to spend on k-ubuntu :) | 01:45 |
| Riddell | mule work.. want to fill in my tax return form? :) | 01:45 |
| amu | \sh: yes :) | 01:45 |
| \sh | shock | 01:45 |
| sealne | Riddell: you mean you have money? :) | 01:45 |
| \sh | AMU ! | 01:45 |
| \sh | amu: back from holidays? | 01:46 |
| amu | btw. the airport extreme runs under linux | 01:46 |
| poningru | heck I will probably do it | 01:46 |
| Riddell | sealne: only until Her Maj's Customs and Excise take it off me | 01:46 |
| poningru | Riddell: is it anything bigger than a 1040ez? | 01:46 |
| sealne | altho i suppose IRS don't care | 01:46 |
| amu | \sh: yep | 01:46 |
| Riddell | poningru: hmm? what's one of those? | 01:46 |
| poningru | I thought you were in the US | 01:46 |
| Riddell | no, Scotland | 01:46 |
| \sh | amu: short trip :) | 01:47 |
| \sh | hmmm..just updating remotely my amd64 to dapper...and hope the kernel is not breaking my machine | 01:47 |
| poningru | could have sworn you wrote something about hawaii or something | 01:47 |
| poningru | must have been someone else then | 01:47 |
| \sh | Riddell is everywhere | 01:47 |
| Riddell | poningru: the conference in hawii is using kubuntu, but I'm not going | 01:47 |
| === poningru reads the post | ||
| poningru | ah | 01:48 |
| crimsun | \sh: I've considered that, but my pbuilder is on the opposite coast of the US, so I'm "playing it safe." | 01:48 |
| \sh | crimsun: hehe :) | 01:48 |
| Riddell | poningru: if you want to download and test a daily live or install CD that's always welcome | 01:49 |
| sealne | Riddell: any news on a vote? i'd kinda like to know wether i'm having a holiday this summer or not :) | 01:49 |
| poningru | well ofcourse I do that | 01:49 |
| Riddell | sealne: no news at all I'm afraid, I'm a bit annoyed that one hasn't started, I asked why and got no response | 01:49 |
| poningru | flight 2, two partitions: kubuntu, ubuntu | 01:50 |
| poningru | 2 gigs each | 01:50 |
| Riddell | poningru: daily build, not flight 2 that's old stuff now | 01:50 |
| poningru | hmm | 01:50 |
| poningru | how does one do that? | 01:50 |
| poningru | linky? | 01:50 |
| sealne | Riddell: thats a bit shit, delaying for a reason can be justified but... | 01:50 |
| Riddell | poningru: grab it from cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu | 01:50 |
| poningru | awesome | 01:51 |
| sealne | and its not like we are the only ones in this situation | 01:51 |
| crimsun | I see janimo has already uploaded a newer ivman. Cool. | 01:51 |
| poningru | how fast are those updated? | 01:51 |
| Riddell | poningru: every day at about 05:00UTC | 01:51 |
| poningru | nice | 01:52 |
| poningru | will do | 01:52 |
| poningru | you know what then, maybe I should go do that right now | 01:52 |
| Riddell | poningru: usually they get tested just before we make a flight release but it's a lot better to have people testing them between flight releases so we know it's broken before we want to make a flight CD | 01:52 |
| poningru | hmm true | 01:52 |
| poningru | is there a changelog somewhere? | 01:53 |
| poningru | to know what to test etc. | 01:53 |
| Riddell | poningru: dapper-changes mailing list :) | 01:53 |
| poningru | hehe cool | 01:53 |
| === Riddell wonders how to use a KListViewSearchLine from designer | ||
| sealne | ooh didn't even know they existed | 01:54 |
| === sealne wishes work would quiten down so he had decent time to work on katch | ||
| \sh | KlistviewSearchLine? | 01:56 |
| \sh | is it 3.5? or as well in 3.4.x? | 01:57 |
| \sh | because pykde supports still only 3.4.x api | 01:57 |
| sealne | apparently neither does korundum | 01:57 |
| poningru | whats katch? | 01:57 |
| sealne | just something i'm working on | 01:57 |
| sealne | forensic analysis | 01:58 |
| Riddell | ah, got it working with a quick addListView() | 01:58 |
| Riddell | and voila, a searchable list view. nice | 01:58 |
| poningru | when does expresso land? | 02:01 |
| Riddell | bah, kdepyuic doesn't work with KListViewSearchLineWidget | 02:02 |
| Riddell | passes the wrong arguments to the contructor | 02:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: then there is something wrong with the sip stu | 02:03 |
| \sh | ff | 02:03 |
| Riddell | \sh: any idea where I report that as a bug? | 02:04 |
| Riddell | poningru: about a week before release probably :) | 02:05 |
| poningru | hehe | 02:05 |
| \sh | Riddell: yes | 02:05 |
| \sh | Riddell: riverbanks computing.. | 02:06 |
| \sh | Riddell: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde | 02:06 |
| \sh | on this list | 02:06 |
| \sh | I don't know if they have a bts for this | 02:06 |
| poningru | is livecd testing necessary? | 02:07 |
| poningru | well that important I mean | 02:08 |
| crimsun | I'd say so, yes. | 02:08 |
| Riddell | NameError: global name 'KIconButton' is not defined | 02:08 |
| Riddell | waa | 02:08 |
| Riddell | poningru: of course, we need the live CD to work as well as the install one | 02:09 |
| \sh | KIconButton ? | 02:09 |
| \sh | I don't find any kiconbutton in the kdeui class list ,() | 02:10 |
| Riddell | why is KIconButton in kio/kfile? | 02:10 |
| Riddell | that's crazy | 02:10 |
| \sh | what? | 02:10 |
| Riddell | http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/kfile/html/classKIconButton.html | 02:10 |
| \sh | no | 02:11 |
| \sh | it's a joke, right? | 02:11 |
| \sh | A pushbutton for choosing an icon. A push button that allows selection of an icon. | 02:11 |
| \sh | Pressing on the button will open a KIconDialog for the user to select an icon. The current icon will be displayed on the button. | 02:11 |
| \sh | lol | 02:11 |
| \sh | well... | 02:11 |
| \sh | actually it should belong in kdeui | 02:12 |
| \sh | or it should be a private class only for kicondialog | 02:12 |
| \sh | Unpacking replacement kmail ... | 02:13 |
| \sh | Errors were encountered while processing: | 02:13 |
| \sh | /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a1.4.2-3ubuntu6_amd64.deb | 02:13 |
| \sh | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) | 02:13 |
| \sh | ah now it goes...after apt-get -f install | 02:13 |
| Riddell | now I'm stuck on how to use KIconLoader's SmallIconSet() from pykde | 02:26 |
| Riddell | it's not a member function | 02:26 |
| \sh | what about QPixmap KIconLoader::SmallIconSet() | 02:33 |
| \sh | or SmallIconSet | 02:33 |
| \sh | SmallIconset() only I think...it doesn't belong to the namespace it looks like | 02:34 |
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| sebas | Riddell: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2005-April/010092.html | 03:17 |
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| Riddell | Mez: up late? | 04:27 |
| Mez | yeah - for once - lol - I'm actually up late instead of just going to bed | 04:27 |
| Mez | I'm in the transitional phase of going from nights to days | 04:28 |
| Mez | lol - but then gotta go back to nights again for tuesday | 04:28 |
| Mez | lol | 04:28 |
| Mez | so I dont know why i do it | 04:28 |
| Riddell | working nightshift or something? | 04:28 |
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| Mez | I work a permanent night shift | 04:32 |
| Mez | just got three days off :D lol | 04:32 |
| Mez | so I'm still trying to get back to being up in the day | 04:32 |
| Mez | lol | 04:32 |
| Mez | I still havent seen daylight for about 3 montsh | 04:32 |
| poningru | yikes | 04:43 |
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| Riddell | anyone awake to try http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde-hal-device-manager/kde-hal-device-manager_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ? | 05:47 |
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| Mez | Riddell, downloading | 05:50 |
| Mez | 04:50:51 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 05:50 |
| Riddell | try now | 05:52 |
| Mez | where should it show ? | 05:56 |
| Riddell | kmenu->system | 05:57 |
| Mez | apparently I dont have hal installed | 05:57 |
| Riddell | install it? | 05:57 |
| Mez | hal: Depends: dbus (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed | 05:58 |
| Mez | dbus: Conflicts: libdbus-1-1 but 0.36.2-0ubuntu7 is to be installed | 05:58 |
| === Mez pokes it to work | ||
| Mez | no wonder this thing has been cruddy | 05:59 |
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| Riddell | hello LaserJock | 06:07 |
| LaserJock | Hi Riddell | 06:11 |
| LaserJock | would you happen to be available for a REVU review? | 06:11 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: it's 5 in the morning! | 06:12 |
| Riddell | (maybe) | 06:12 |
| LaserJock | oh, well nevermind then | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | I can ask somebody else | 06:13 |
| Riddell | what is it? | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | plotdrop | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | it was already advocated 2 times but ajmitch wanted me to change something real quick | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | I only need one more vote and an upload ;-) | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | it is a pretty small package | 06:15 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: did you make the change ajmitch wanted? | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | maybe if I called it kplotdrop it would have reviewed faster ;-) | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: yes I did | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | I checked with him and he seemed satisfied | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | but he didn't have time to do a proper review himself I guess | 06:16 |
| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 06:18 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying | 06:18 |
| Riddell | freeflying: still working on qt I'm afraid, will do first thing tomorrow | 06:18 |
| freeflying | Riddell: :) | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | sure seems like there is a big movement within the Ubuntu community toward Kubuntu | 06:19 |
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| LaserJock | I was looking at the Distrowatch stats the other day and Kubuntu was #11 and it has more hits per day than Ubuntu did last year | 06:21 |
| Riddell | how does that work? | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | I guess that is a comparison of 2004 to 2005 but I think the #11 ranking is pretty impressive | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | I was looking at http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060102#phr | 06:23 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1344 some issues, you can fix them or I'm happy to upload if you don't want to | 06:24 |
| Riddell | but I'm going to bed now so make your mind up soon | 06:27 |
| LaserJock | well, the libglade warning is an upstream thing that I'm not going to fix as it is a known issue | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | it doesn't really effect anything so I'm not worrying about it | 06:28 |
| Riddell | fair enough | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | I would like to get it uploaded if possible, I can change the debhelper with the next release if that is ok with you | 06:29 |
| Riddell | yep, I'll upload | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: thank you so much, I have been trying to get reviewers for around a month now. | 06:38 |
| crimsun | I'm still waiting for a way to actually set a password in revu, heh. | 06:39 |
| crimsun | if this keeps up, I'll just manually add a subkey component and reupload my key to a keyserver, because this is getting annoying. | 06:40 |
| Riddell | plotdrop_0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW | 06:44 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: got the email. thanks agian | 06:46 |
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| Mez | night Ridell | 06:47 |
| Mez | crimsun - whats up with your key / | 06:47 |
| Mez | something to do with REVU? | 06:48 |
| crimsun | Mez: it's sign-only, so both LP and REVU (which require one to be able to encipher/decipher text) fail | 06:48 |
| Mez | ah - why do you have a sign-only key ? | 06:49 |
| crimsun | the needed portion was revoked. | 06:49 |
| crimsun | I'm just going to add another subcomponent and resync to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net | 06:49 |
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| mornfall | anyone has read the (new) adept spec? | 12:26 |
| mornfall | comments? | 12:26 |
| jpatrick | where? | 12:27 |
| mornfall | wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperPackageManager | 01:00 |
| apokryphos | looks very cool; the individual deb handling a very good idea IMO | 01:24 |
| apokryphos | they're hoping to eventually replace synaptic with gnome-app-install -- is that going to be (if a somewhat fareoff) ideal of adept too? | 01:25 |
| apokryphos | (personally it's really good to see such close connection to the advances in apt and apt-related things; sounds promising) | 01:38 |
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| Riddell | mornfall: reading | 03:06 |
| Riddell | mornfall: "The expanded package info shall have the states colored in the same way the list has." | 03:12 |
| Riddell | have I seen the list being coloured? or is it just the states text in the list? | 03:12 |
| Riddell | "By default the terminal that is used during commit will be hidden and a progressbar will be shown. A button will be present to show the terminal." too many shows | 03:14 |
| Tm_T | show the terminal by default please :) | 03:14 |
| === Tm_T love terminals | ||
| jpatrick | hey Tm_T | 03:15 |
| Tm_T | hullo | 03:15 |
| === Tm_T is "debugging" kopete msn pugin | ||
| Tm_T | +l | 03:16 |
| Riddell | mornfall: "Eventually, the detailed package view" I don't think this is about evenually it's about what will go in adept 2 | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | that means, trying to use, but it does not =) | 03:16 |
| Tm_T | doesn't work | 03:16 |
| Riddell | mornfall: "Otherwise, we rely on the apt cronjob to pull updates." which apt crontjob? | 03:18 |
| mornfall | Riddell: /etc/cron.daily/apt ? | 03:20 |
| Riddell | mornfall: "the presented package list will reflect ubuntu menu structure", I'm changing that to Kubuntu since if it uses kde-applications.menu they'll show the the KDE manor | 03:20 |
| mornfall | morn@lor-k-breezy/k3:~ -> apt-config shell x APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists | 03:21 |
| mornfall | x='1' | 03:21 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ok, I get it | 03:21 |
| mornfall | breezy has a cronjob that runs apt-get update :) | 03:21 |
| mornfall | and it's enabled by default... so i guess it'd be non-nice to do that on our own again | 03:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: as for eventually, that depends on how we decide on the UI | 03:22 |
| mornfall | Riddell: the things that are not decided are, well, not decided | 03:23 |
| mornfall | as for stylistic changes, feel free to correct them | 03:25 |
| mornfall | s/changes/problems/ | 03:26 |
| Riddell | 14:12 < Riddell> mornfall: "The expanded package info shall have the states colored in the same way the list has." | 03:28 |
| Riddell | 14:12 < Riddell> have I seen the list being coloured? or is it just the states text in the list? | 03:28 |
| mornfall | Riddell: package states and actions are coloured | 03:28 |
| Riddell | the text of them? | 03:28 |
| mornfall | what else :) | 03:29 |
| mornfall | yes the text | 03:29 |
| Riddell | well I was imagining large blocks of background colour for some reason, I'll edit to clarify | 03:29 |
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| jpatrick | hey JRe, freeflying_ | 03:31 |
| JRe | hi jpatrick | 03:31 |
| freeflying_ | jpatrick: hi | 03:31 |
| Riddell | mornfall: looks good, I think it might need some rought mockups of the new user interfaces | 03:31 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: today's ppc livecd can not login | 03:32 |
| Riddell | mornfall: just of the quality like these is fine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/GnomeUserInterface | 03:32 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: hmm, what stage does it get to? | 03:32 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: kdm | 03:33 |
| mornfall | Riddell: make snapshots of the alpha :p | 03:33 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: but then it just can't log in at all? or does it start to log in then break? | 03:35 |
| Riddell | mornfall: yep, that's fine too | 03:36 |
| Riddell | but it doesn't have .deb installer yet etc | 03:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: it can't login | 03:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: stop at kdm | 03:36 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: actually the live CD shouldn't bring up KDM it should just automatically login. so something strange there, I'll look into it thanks | 03:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: because it can not automatical login , so it give a kdm login face | 03:37 |
| mornfall | Riddell: if someone does the sketches why not, i just don't have time to fool around, since it's generally just little more work to implement it | 03:38 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: you still owe me th qt , :) | 03:40 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: working on it | 03:48 |
| Riddell | mornfall: ok | 03:48 |
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| Tonio_ | hi all | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ping | 04:09 |
| Riddell | hi Tonio_ | 04:09 |
| Tonio_ | fine ? | 04:10 |
| Riddell | I think I am | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | I just made several tests with the profiles and I cannot find a better solution than 2 bars | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | so what do you decide ? | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | One bar and no kpart fonctions, or 2 bars like http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png | 04:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also, what about adding to akregator kubuntu feeds by default, like for konversation with the chan ? | 04:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: 2 bars like that is ugly as anything, it'll just have to stay as one bar and no kpart fonctions | 04:13 |
| Riddell | akregator should have kubuntu feeds as default, unless that's been lost somewhere | 04:13 |
| Tonio_ | okay, I wasn't sure, because I personaly changed the profiles | 04:14 |
| Riddell | yep, akregator does, you just need to start with a fresh akregatorrc | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | okay, so let's remove the "window" menu | 04:14 |
| Tonio_ | and plce some of it's options in the view one, and I'll show you the result | 04:15 |
| Riddell | yeah | 04:15 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | and what about that ? | 04:16 |
| apokryphos | having the extra kpart with icons+text looks interesting; been using a similar thing for a few weeks now | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | is that ugly to you ? | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | that better to my view, although it ressembles to the kde default | 04:16 |
| === apokryphos finds it ugly | ||
| Tonio_ | but with extra things missing | 04:16 |
| Tonio_ | apokryphos: ok ;) | 04:16 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, it's just the kde default, too many toolbar buttons by far | 04:16 |
| apokryphos | too much space | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 04:17 |
| Tonio_ | you decide, even if I personally disagree ;) | 04:18 |
| Tonio_ | simplifying by removing fonctionnalities is a point of view I don't share... | 04:19 |
| Tonio_ | let's go with this | 04:20 |
| raphink | agreed | 04:20 |
| raphink | kde is great because it has a lot of functionality | 04:20 |
| raphink | s/functionality/functionalities/ | 04:20 |
| raphink | for example, the splitting windows thingy | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | it will just act like the Windows Explorer actually... | 04:21 |
| Tonio_ | not more..... | 04:21 |
| raphink | before you told me it could be accessed by right clicking the status bar, I just couldn't use it anymore Riddell | 04:21 |
| raphink | I couldn't guess it was there | 04:21 |
| raphink | yet it's such a useful feature | 04:22 |
| Riddell | no, that's why the splitting stuff should go back either in the Window menu or a sub-menu of View | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | that's the goal, reorganising the menus raphink | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | that will be changed, I changed many things on that point | 04:22 |
| raphink | ok | 04:22 |
| raphink | well I'd be happy as long as I can find all the options in logical places | 04:22 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is just on the kpart integration to menus | 04:22 |
| raphink | and not have to right click on a weird place to access them | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | for example the zoom functions while browsing the web, or images functions etc.... | 04:23 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | ht issue is that I can't tell konq to display those buttons only while the khtmlpart isn't in use..... | 04:23 |
| Tonio_ | so we're gettings 4 additionnal buttons while browsing the web : http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | and I can't find a good compromisse.... | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | s/compromisse/compromise | 04:24 |
| Tonio_ | I just ask many users and the great majority was prefering capture5.png, but anyway, I don't decide ;) | 04:25 |
| Tonio_ | everyone is fine with Nero on windows, which has about twice as many buttons.... | 04:26 |
| Riddell | ug, I find nero unusable | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | same for winamp, amarok, is WAY more complicated that this.... | 04:27 |
| Riddell | I also find amarok unusable :) | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: about 80% windows users seems to be fine with it.... | 04:27 |
| Tonio_ | same with photoshop elements.... lots of non experts are using it quite easilly.... | 04:28 |
| raphink | right | 04:28 |
| raphink | windows users are used to having lots of buttons | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | that's why kde is used by much more newbies that gnome | 04:28 |
| Tonio_ | although gnome is way more simplified | 04:28 |
| raphink | and windows users are the main target for (k)ubuntu | 04:28 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: no program will perform better than amarok | 04:29 |
| jpatrick | Tonio_: that's the bad thing | 04:29 |
| jpatrick | it goes overboard | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: you meen ? | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: I don't talk about not simplying it | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | I agree it has to | 04:30 |
| raphink | kde is full of options, what's the point of having it look like gnome when you could use all the options it has in a click? | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | jpatrick: but not by removing one of it's major feature | 04:30 |
| Tonio_ | the kpart integration to menus, that make konq that modular and that powerfull | 04:31 |
| raphink | yes | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | actually, just open a pdf file on the web.... 80% will be unreadable if tou can't zoom | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | windows + IE has no problem | 04:31 |
| raphink | mhm | 04:31 |
| Tonio_ | that what a windows user will say, and he will be right.... | 04:32 |
| raphink | well zooming with kpdf embbed in konq is terrible right now | 04:32 |
| raphink | that might be why easykubuntu proposes to install acroread iirc | 04:32 |
| raphink | and people use acroread embbed in firefox | 04:32 |
| Tonio_ | exactly... | 04:32 |
| raphink | so they have the buttons to zoom, etc. | 04:33 |
| raphink | although it would be possible to get exactly the same features with konq+kpdf | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | same thing if you open a tgz.... | 04:33 |
| raphink | if dealing properly with the buttons | 04:33 |
| raphink | yes | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | you have to perform a right click, openwith.... | 04:33 |
| raphink | you should access the ark buttons | 04:33 |
| raphink | Tonio_: well you can go to the file menu, too | 04:33 |
| raphink | and choose open with | 04:33 |
| Tonio_ | that's what I said.... | 04:34 |
| raphink | but I agree the ark buttons should just be available in konq when viweing archies | 04:34 |
| Tonio_ | but that's not convenient.... | 04:34 |
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| Tonio_ | same for images with the gwenview component.... | 04:34 |
| raphink | yes | 04:34 |
| raphink | I hate gwenview as it is right now | 04:34 |
| raphink | because you can do nothing with the images almost | 04:34 |
| raphink | you just view images one by one | 04:35 |
| Riddell | hello Huahua | 04:35 |
| raphink | we have softs to have it like windows does it : performing a slide show within konq | 04:35 |
| Huahua | hello Riddell | 04:35 |
| freeflying_ | Huahua: hi | 04:35 |
| raphink | hi Huahua | 04:35 |
| Huahua | hi raphink | 04:35 |
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| Tonio_ | hi Huahua | 04:36 |
| Riddell | morning Sime | 04:36 |
| Huahua | hi Tonio | 04:36 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: can we translate system setting into chinese now in launchpad | 04:36 |
| Sime | morning(?) | 04:36 |
| Sime | Hi | 04:36 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: not yet, but you will be able to when dapper translation files get loaded into launchpad at string freeze time | 04:37 |
| Sime | Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/using-qtdesigner.html | 04:38 |
| Sime | Riddell: PyKDE extensions should work with Qt designer and KDE widgets | 04:38 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: then how long will it be | 04:39 |
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| raphink | Riddell: isn't it because most users want as many buttons as possible ? | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: +1 | 04:40 |
| raphink | Riddell: from my experience teaching computers to newbies (my mom for ex), most users are afraid of menus | 04:40 |
| raphink | they're afraid of anything that has too much text | 04:40 |
| Tonio_ | maybe not, but they prefer functionnalities than extreme simplification | 04:40 |
| raphink | they much prefer having buttons they can recognize | 04:40 |
| raphink | than lists of text | 04:41 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule march 16th | 04:41 |
| raphink | hmm fine | 04:41 |
| raphink | Riddell: I totally understand that you created this distro and it's normal that you want to decide about this kind of things | 04:42 |
| Riddell | Sime: that /is/ interesting. didn't know you could do it like that. | 04:42 |
| raphink | but I'll point out that this gets many users to use firefox and its options withing kubuntu | 04:42 |
| raphink | which imo is not the way it could be | 04:42 |
| Riddell | raphink: firefox has less buttons than simplified konqueror | 04:43 |
| raphink | and for such a distro as kubuntu which is aimed most users | 04:43 |
| raphink | Riddell: when you view a pdf in firefox with acroread, you can at least zoom with the buttons | 04:43 |
| raphink | we're mostly talking about kparts buttons here | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but everyone is adding 10 extensions...... | 04:43 |
| raphink | not the browsing view, which is fine | 04:43 |
| raphink | Riddell: most firefox users don't use firefox as such | 04:43 |
| Tonio_ | very few people are using it at it's default state | 04:43 |
| raphink | they add bars and so on | 04:44 |
| raphink | to add buttons to id | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | extensions are what have done konq that popular | 04:44 |
| raphink | it | 04:44 |
| raphink | firefox without extensions is pointless | 04:44 |
| raphink | I'd be interested to know the result of a poll in the whole kde community | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and anyway, konq isn't just a browser.... | 04:44 |
| raphink | and ask windows users who don't know kde, too | 04:44 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is more while managing files that browsing.... | 04:45 |
| raphink | if konq was just a browser, I wouldn't use it probably | 04:45 |
| raphink | I use it because it can read most files | 04:45 |
| raphink | because I can view pdf in it, open archives, etc. | 04:45 |
| === freeflying_ sleeping time , bye all | ||
| Tonio_ | 'night freeflying_ | 04:45 |
| raphink | but if I miss functionalities doing so, then it lacks something | 04:46 |
| Riddell | freeflying_: qt compiling now, will be done when you wake up | 04:46 |
| raphink | "night freeflying_ | 04:46 |
| Riddell | raphink: it is pretty easy to change back to the kde default konqueror layout | 04:46 |
| raphink | Riddell: it's pretty easy for someone who knows how to use a console | 04:46 |
| raphink | it's not the case of most newbies | 04:46 |
| raphink | who would like to be able to zoom while viewing pdfs | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum.... I don't like the default, too much functions ;) | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | compromise is more interesting | 04:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: hah! | 04:47 |
| raphink | it's easy to do most things in Linux | 04:47 |
| raphink | if a program is missing | 04:47 |
| raphink | heh it's easy to compile it | 04:47 |
| raphink | even easy to package it | 04:47 |
| raphink | but not for all users ;) | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I agree it has to be simplied | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | that's why I'm working on that | 04:47 |
| Tonio_ | but to me, not by removing one of it's top 5 functions | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | something unique that make it good | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | simplying menus, removing additionnal features, I agree, but not the kparts..... | 04:48 |
| Riddell | can we not just alter the kpdf and ark parts to have a new toolbar with their stuff? | 04:48 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: not to what I know | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | konq is merging the toolbars depending the context | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | and it always places this in the main toolbar | 04:49 |
| raphink | doesn't seem so | 04:49 |
| Tonio_ | no other choice | 04:49 |
| raphink | yes | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | also, I didn't find a way to tell him "ignore the khtmlpart, and don't ignore other ones | 04:50 |
| raphink | you'd have to hack konqueror to get it generate new toolbars for kparts | 04:50 |
| raphink | and I don't think Tonio_ really wants to do this ;) | 04:50 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: can't do.... I'm not a coder lol | 04:50 |
| raphink | hehe | 04:50 |
| raphink | Tonio_: oh really? why this is easy ;) | 04:50 |
| raphink | users can code it themselves if they want it :) | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 04:51 |
| Riddell | --- /usr/share/apps/kpdfpart/part.rc~ 2005-09-10 09:18:43.000000000 +0100 | 04:51 |
| Riddell | +++ /usr/share/apps/kpdfpart/part.rc 2006-01-08 15:50:50.000000000 +0000 | 04:51 |
| Riddell | -<ToolBar name="mainToolBar"><text>Main Toolbar</text> | 04:51 |
| Riddell | +<ToolBar name="newmainToolBar"><text>New Main Toolbar</text> | 04:51 |
| Riddell | voila | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | interesting | 04:51 |
| Tonio_ | but we'ill have an empty bar then ? | 04:52 |
| raphink | won't be translated though | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | when nothing is loaded | 04:52 |
| Tonio_ | it'll look like this : | 04:52 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no, that new toolbar only gets loaded when a PDF is opened | 04:53 |
| Riddell | seems to be working for me | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | hum interesting | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | same thing to be done with gwenview kpart, no ? | 04:53 |
| Tonio_ | and ark one also | 04:54 |
| Riddell | yes | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | gonna test ;) | 04:54 |
| Tonio_ | how would you suggest to install the part.rc stull ? | 04:55 |
| Tonio_ | kubuntu-default-settings ? | 04:55 |
| Riddell | I think it'll have to be a patch to the original | 04:56 |
| Riddell | dunno, try putting it in /usr/share/kubuntu-def... | 04:56 |
| Tonio_ | okay, that's a good compromise ;) | 04:56 |
| Riddell | yay :) | 04:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you add that toolbar as "newline" to konq-kubuntu.rc ? | 04:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I didn't touch konq-kubuntu.rc | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | hu ? strange..... | 04:58 |
| Tonio_ | it is certainly because you have the "merge" activated on the hidden maintoolbar.... | 04:59 |
| Riddell | what is? | 05:00 |
| Tonio_ | the "merge" option is what is "merging" the toolbars depending the context | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | I assume the toolbar is just dynamically created because of it's new name.... | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | I'm testing, but I'm fine with that solution ;) | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | sounds good :) | 05:01 |
| Riddell | yes, so it doesn't merge and instead just adds a new one | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | hum it merges | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | whenever browsing | 05:01 |
| Tonio_ | but the browsing stuff is merged in the "maintoolbar" that is hidden | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | then the pdf stuff is merges on a new toobar that then displays | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | that's the trick.... | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | the khtmlpart is merged on an hidden toolbar ;) | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | very nice hack ;) | 05:02 |
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| Riddell | http://kubuntu.org/~jr/tmp/pdf.png no merges | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's merged no ? | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | if you look at your konqrc, you should see this : | 05:03 |
| Riddell | that's a new toolbar on the second line | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 05:04 |
| Riddell | need to remove <Separator/> from kpdf partrc | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | the main toolbar is merging, while the part.rc is telling the merging is done on a new toolbar | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes I can see that | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you should see this in your konq profile : | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | <ToolBar newline="true" hidden="true" name="mainToolBar" fullWidth="true" > | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | <text>Main Toolbar</text> | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | <WeakSeparator/> | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | <Merge/> | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | </ToolBar> | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | the <Merge/> directive is what is displaying the context kpart buttons | 05:05 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | if you remove that, it won't work anymore | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | anyway, the toolbar is hidden | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | so the khtmlpart is merged but hidden | 05:06 |
| Riddell | yep | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | then the kpdf stuff is merge because of that directive, but on another one ;) | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | sounds clear and efficient | 05:06 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sorry for bugging you with this, but finally, the result is nice ;) | 05:07 |
| Riddell | don't be sorry, we'll make this thing rock | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | yep, that's the goal :) | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning kubuntu-default-settings | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | how does this thing work ? | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | does it take priority to the /usr/share folder ? | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | just have to put a file there, or does it needs to be declared somewhere ? ? | 05:08 |
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| Riddell | it edits /etc/kderc so that any resources in /usr/share/kubuntu-def... override those in /usr/share/apps | 05:08 |
| Tonio_ | okay ;) | 05:08 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: so in theory just putting the new kpart rc file in kubuntu-default-settings is fine | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: good ;) | 05:09 |
| Riddell | but there's a bug in konqueror which means for restarting konq from a saved session it doesn't do that | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | let's go, and show you the result in an hour :) | 05:09 |
| Riddell | that's why the /usr/share/apps/konqueror has the edited file in it | 05:09 |
| Riddell | so we need to experiment and see if kpdf etc are affected by that | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | yep | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: last question, why are kubuntu default fonts that big ? | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | I was asking that several time | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | is there a particular reason ? | 05:12 |
| Riddell | it depends on what your kdm sets your dpi to | 05:12 |
| Riddell | which is what it gets from the monitor | 05:12 |
| Riddell | it might be a good idea to investigate how to get kdm to just use a static DPI for everyone | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | by default it is always set to 12 on all machine I installed.... | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | I don't talk about the dpi, but the size in kde profile | 05:13 |
| Riddell | yes | 05:14 |
| Riddell | but how large that ends up depends on the dpi | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | so it cannot be set to 10 by default ? | 05:14 |
| Riddell | it can but then its too small for some people with different DPIs being set | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | yep I know the size on the screen depends on the dpi | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | okay, that's the reason ;) | 05:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works perfectly | 05:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what does? | 05:23 |
| Tonio_ | the part.rc in kubuntu-default-settings | 05:27 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: have you tried logging out and in again with konqueror loaded with a PDF file? | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | to be honnest, the result is better that what I would have though :) | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yep | 05:28 |
| Riddell | groovy | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | I removed the separator also | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | let's take the gwimageview kpart and ark | 05:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ok, supply me with rc files for kpdf, ark, gwenview and whatever else you think needs done and I'll update kubuntu-default-settings | 05:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you want a patch for kubuntu-default-settings directly ? | 05:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure, that would do nicely | 05:29 |
| Riddell | mind and edit the Makefile in there | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | okay ;) | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | that'll groove :) hehe | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do I let the context options in the view menu ? | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | I personally find that confusing | 05:30 |
| Riddell | what are they? | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | same | 05:30 |
| Riddell | and we haven't decided about Window menu against View->Split yet | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | you get by default all kpart options in the "view" menu | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning this, I suggest to have that in view | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | sounds logic.... | 05:31 |
| Riddell | yeah | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | but concerning the context options.... nothing to do view "view" I think | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | better to have that in "tools" or something | 05:32 |
| Riddell | such as which options? | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | pdf options ;) | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | zoom etc.... | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | let me show you | 05:32 |
| Riddell | they are all Viewing related options | 05:33 |
| kozz | Riddell: fyi, no luck with network manager and knetworkmanager | 05:33 |
| Tonio_ | hum..... not with ark kpart for example ;) | 05:33 |
| Riddell | kozz: fooey, what does it complain about? | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | but well, it is not behind your eyes so... | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | nobody compained about this | 05:34 |
| kozz | Riddell: where did you get that package anyway, have searched for knetworkmanager but didn't found that archive | 05:34 |
| Riddell | kozz: it's from suse's factory (development) archives | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: replacement for knetworkconf ? | 05:34 |
| kozz | Riddell: something about unhandles event or such | 05:34 |
| kozz | unhandled event even | 05:34 |
| Riddell | kde frontend to network-manager | 05:35 |
| kozz | Riddell: but they are not publiv available, right? | 05:35 |
| Riddell | kozz: it is | 05:35 |
| Riddell | only as a source RPM | 05:35 |
| kozz | hmm, at least google can't find it :) | 05:36 |
| Riddell | search for suse factory | 05:43 |
| Riddell | the source RPM might be called networkmanager-kde or something | 05:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works nice with gwenview also.... but I have a problem with kar | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | ark | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | it used the kio tar instead | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | what would you suggest ? keep the kio changing that to use the kpart ? | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | I think the kpart gives a better feeling | 06:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: not sure which is best, you could argue either way | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 06:03 |
| Riddell | you can get to ark by right clicking | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | when using the kio, you sometime don't have the feeling to be in an archive | 06:03 |
| Tonio_ | that's by default... | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | there are three possibilities : | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | - using the kio | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | - opening it in konq internally | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | - opening it externally | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | actually the kio is used by default | 06:04 |
| Tonio_ | my question is : how to disable a kio, to make tests ? | 06:06 |
| Riddell | well you can right click to choose | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | yes | 06:06 |
| Riddell | don't know how to change the priority forever | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | but if I want a double click not to launch tar:/ ? | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 06:07 |
| Tonio_ | let's search | 06:07 |
| Riddell | maybe raise priority of ark ub .desktop file | 06:09 |
| Riddell | s/ub/in/ | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | I'm asking on a kde channel ;) | 06:09 |
| Tonio_ | kios are great, but this one is confusing... I personnaly prefer to have the archive manager opening.... | 06:10 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: grmpf..... don't find the solution to disable the kio..... | 06:59 |
| Tonio_ | my config works with 7z, rar etc.... but no way for tgz and zip.... | 06:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: don't want to see the pannel by default in filemanagement profile ? | 07:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: which panel? | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | F9, the sidebar | 08:00 |
| Tonio_ | it is not displayed by default in the filemanagement profile | 08:00 |
| mornfall | i don't find it "ridiculous" but so be it | 08:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: could you please point the user at b.k.o and have a wishlist bug filed so i don't forget? | 08:02 |
| Riddell | mornfall: I'll do so and point out that missing a minor feature is certianly not rediculous, it's just an interesting idea I hadn't come across before | 08:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so would you like the sidebar in filemanagement profile ? | 08:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: no need to bother, just have him record it in bugzilla, i almost certainly lose those otherwise | 08:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: dunno, what do we have at the moment? | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we don't display it | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I think it is necessary in the filemanagement profile... making things way easier | 08:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: add it in then :) | 08:14 |
| Tonio_ | okay ;) | 08:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: also I noticed that konqueror uses kate to open file very often... | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | example http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:EEJhNo0bAfUJ:corpo_acm.netasso.net/files/+%22index+of%22+rar&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | click on a rar file | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | it doesn't ask for downloading it.... | 08:15 |
| Tonio_ | I don't know why..... | 08:16 |
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| mornfall | Riddell: trimmed down list ... is presented was actually correct :-) | 09:26 |
| mornfall | other than that, looks good, thanks :) | 09:27 |
| allee | Tonio_: Koos asked if someone is interested to bring kmplayer to debian. You uploaded kmplayer to revu half a year ago but it's not in dapper yet. Any reason why it got stuck? | 09:36 |
| Tonio_ | yep, my package was crappy | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | and it is very hard to package, so that I don't have the time for this ;) | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | the problem is that it is now very modular, lots of separated libs etc... | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | My package should be removed from revu allee | 09:41 |
| allee | Tonio_: I can't do this ;) | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | allee: can I try? | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | hum | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | getting mad with this | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee, jpatrick : does anyone of you know on earth is the settings to disable a kioslave ? | 09:43 |
| allee | jpatrick: go head! (as if anyone about my okay ;) | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | and secondly, where is the setting telling konqueror to open files with kate ? | 09:43 |
| jpatrick | I don't :( | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | tgz files on the web are opened with kate | 09:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: rename the corresponding protocol desktop file? | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | allee: hum, why not :) | 09:44 |
| allee | Tonio_: then either the tar file is buggy or the file associations need a fix | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | and concerning kate ? | 09:44 |
| allee | s/tar file/mime type returned bye the server/ | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | allee: well, it works with rar or 7z files | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | but there are kioslaves for zip and tar | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | so according to you that is a problem on the server part ? | 09:45 |
| allee | try: HEAD url-to-tar. Maybe the server returns wrong mime-type | 09:45 |
| jpatrick | allee: I'm going now.. added kmplayer to todo | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | hum.......... shouldn't work with extensions instead of the mimetype ? | 09:46 |
| allee | Tonio_: check HEAD output. then you will know | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | school starts again tomorrow!! | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | firefox or IE are working with extensions | 09:46 |
| jpatrick | night everyone | 09:47 |
| allee | Tonio_: well, if you download via http: the server should return right mime type. | 09:47 |
| allee | jpatrick: night! | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I know that, but if 80% webserver are badly configured..... | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | well | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | anyway : | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | [Property::X-KDE-LocalProtocol] | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Type=QString | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | Value=zip | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | that's it ;) | 09:49 |
| allee | Tonio_: URL? | 09:51 |
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| allee | jpatrick: fyi: kde svn kmplayer contains a debian subdir | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | allee: /usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-zip.desktop | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | sorry, I was gone take a lunch | 10:10 |
| allee | Tonio_: np | 10:10 |
| allee | Tonio_: next try ;) what's the URL for the tar file that get's opened with kate? | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | allee: let me show you | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | just finished eating ;) | 10:26 |
| Tonio_ | allee: I personally don't have the problem with tar.gz files | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | but with rar, for example... | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:0HP8Oe3ksYMJ:distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/lormalinux/v5/ecd25RAR/+%22index+of%22+rar&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8 | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | you can try to download a rar file there | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | JRe has the problem with tar.gz files I think | 10:27 |
| Tonio_ | JRe: can you confirm ? | 10:27 |
| JRe | Tonio_: yes | 10:29 |
| JRe | it used Kate to open that URL | 10:30 |
| allee | Tonio_: the server return text/plain and kate load the *13.rar file here (as expected :( ) | 10:30 |
| allee | Tonio_: ditto for firefox. rar is displayes it inline. Lots of garbage | 10:32 |
| JRe | allee: ok I understand | 10:32 |
| allee | hi JRe | 10:33 |
| JRe | hi allee | 10:33 |
| JRe | allee: I took a look for the bug you showed me yesterday | 10:33 |
| allee | JRe: YYEEEAAAHHHH!!! | 10:34 |
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| JRe | allee: but everything in the code of medianotifier seems ok: it do watch the media/gphoto2camera mimetype | 10:34 |
| JRe | allee: so I think that this bug can come from 1) mediamanager 2) HAL | 10:34 |
| JRe | allee: ervin thinks it's more a HAL packaging problem | 10:34 |
| allee | JRe: Do you have a camera that is supported by gphoto2? | 10:35 |
| JRe | allee: so did you test if you really receive the hal event when pluggin it to you computer ? | 10:35 |
| JRe | allee: unfortunately not | 10:35 |
| JRe | allee: all my camera are recognized by media/removable | 10:35 |
| JRe | allee: but i am overmotivated | 10:35 |
| JRe | allee: I _want_ this feature | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | allee: jre has the problem with tar.gz files | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | while I don't | 10:35 |
| allee | JRe: I tried lshal some minutes ago. Long list. Looks I have to save before/after plugin and diff it but got sidetracked by kmplayer and tar/rar mimetypes | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | http://planetemu.net/?section=emulateurs&machine=42&os=Linux&orderby=nom&ordertype=ASC&viewtypeemulateurs=detailled#go842 | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | for example there | 10:36 |
| JRe | Tonio_: it did use kate again | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | not for me | 10:36 |
| Tonio_ | I get a download dialog box | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | allee: what about you ? | 10:37 |
| allee | JRe: okay so you check the why media/removable and not media/camera and I try to find out more about media/ghoto2camera | 10:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: Still loading nothing to 'click' :( | 10:38 |
| allee | Tonio_: konqueror: still waiting for reply | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | I personally can download | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | the website doesn't work for you ? | 10:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: stop and reload 'fixed' it. Now looking for an tar file there ... | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | k | 10:40 |
| allee | Tonio_: when I click on FBZX V1.5 I get: | 10:41 |
| allee | Open 'http://planetemu.n...x_1.5_linux.tar.gz'? | 10:41 |
| allee | Type: Tar file | 10:41 |
| allee | and as expected: HEAD 'http://planetemu.net/php/emulateurs/?action=download&id=933' | 10:42 |
| allee | returns: Content-Type: application/x-tar | 10:42 |
| Tonio_ | allee: that's correct ;) | 10:43 |
| JRe | allee: yeah right | 10:43 |
| allee | Tonio_: yes :) | 10:43 |
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| JRe | :) | 10:43 |
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| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | okay, so I can disable that kio | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | good news | 10:44 |
| JRe | allee: ok gonna try with my ixus | 10:45 |
| JRe | allee: BTW many thanks for having thinked to that feature! | 10:45 |
| Tm_T | interesting, ubuntu and ubuntuserver install cd's have same problem with my server machine | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | JRe: pv ;) | 10:45 |
| Tm_T | installer "crashes" when it should start partitioning step | 10:45 |
| allee | JRe: diff of lshal before and after gphoto2 camera pluged in | 10:47 |
| allee | http://rafb.net/paste/results/UweUx090.html | 10:47 |
| Tm_T | and flashes "E: Unimplemented function" | 10:47 |
| JRe | allee: it seems to work | 10:49 |
| Tm_T | have anyone of you heard about that? | 10:49 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: dapper or breezy? | 10:50 |
| allee | JRe: media:/ is still empty (and no media dialog | 10:50 |
| JRe | allee: kde 3.5 ? | 10:50 |
| allee | JRe: yes. Dapper uptodate | 10:50 |
| JRe | ok | 10:51 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: breezy | 10:51 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: that's not a good sign | 10:51 |
| allee | JRe: I must admit I'm lost again. To many numbers. No human readable string like camera or gphoto2 :( | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | ubuntu shipped install-cd, selfburned ubuntuserver install-cd | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: that's not | 10:52 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: does it have raid? | 10:52 |
| JRe | allee: yes all output is a mess | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: bios does find HD just fine, so I don't think that's the problem | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: nope =) | 10:52 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: just single ATA drive in primary ide as master | 10:53 |
| JRe | allee: ok I have the same bug | 10:53 |
| JRe | allee: damn damn damn | 10:53 |
| JRe | allee: to resolve that the first thing to do is to inspect the output of mediamanager | 10:54 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I doublecheck bios settings | 10:54 |
| JRe | allee: dcop kded mediamanger | 10:54 |
| JRe | allee: dcop kded mediamanager fullList | 10:54 |
| allee | JRe: Oh: object 'mediamanger' in application 'kded' not accessible | 10:54 |
| JRe | allee: that's not normal | 10:55 |
| JRe | allee: it's working at home | 10:55 |
| allee | JRe: ah an 'a' was missing not it works so | 10:55 |
| JRe | allee: and the mediamanager has not my camera in the list | 10:55 |
| JRe | allee: same for you ? | 10:56 |
| allee | JRe: yeah. fullList is empty before and after plugin of gphot2 camera | 10:56 |
| JRe | allee: ok so the bug come from that | 10:57 |
| JRe | allee: so It will be hard to fix | 10:57 |
| JRe | allee: it need a commit in kdebase | 10:57 |
| JRe | allee: the first thing to do is to report a bug I think | 10:57 |
| allee | JRe: I'm sure Riddel gladly add this patch to debian/patches ;) | 10:58 |
| JRe | allee: ok. but we need ervin to do that ;) | 10:58 |
| JRe | allee: I am not tough enough on HAL | 10:58 |
| allee | JRe: so bug against mediamanager? I'll do it. | 10:58 |
| allee | JRe: questions: to bugs 1) camera is media/removable_unmounted and 2) ghoto2camera not detected. right? | 10:59 |
| allee | s/to bugs/two bugs/ | 10:59 |
| JRe | allee: yes | 10:59 |
| JRe | allee: the first one come from HAL I think | 10:59 |
| JRe | allee: because it did send a HAL event with the wrong type | 11:00 |
| JRe | allee: the second one is clearly coming from mediamanager | 11:00 |
| allee | JRe: okay so I submit 2). Do you care about 1)? | 11:00 |
| JRe | allee: I will see for #1 with ervin and see what is the best thing to do | 11:01 |
| allee | JRe: thx! | 11:01 |
| JRe | allee: thanks to you! | 11:02 |
| JRe | allee: what is the deadline for the patch ? | 11:02 |
| allee | JRe: for digikam 19th Jan so 0.8.1 with the media features can go it. But a bugfix patch to kdebase should more time. | 11:03 |
| allee | JRe: digikam is independent of the patch but we would like to test before releasing ;) | 11:04 |
| JRe | allee: sure | 11:04 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: nope, no luck with bios tweaking either | 11:04 |
| allee | JRe: but we can add a patch to digikam also later too if it does not the right thing with the mediamanager patch | 11:04 |
| JRe | allee: ookee | 11:05 |
| allee | :) | 11:05 |
| JRe | allee: what is your camera brand and model ? | 11:05 |
| JRe | allee: (just to see if it could not be a just for us bug) | 11:05 |
| allee | JRe: gphoto2: canon powershot a49 | 11:05 |
| allee | JRe: usb storage: sony dsc w12 | 11:06 |
| allee | a40 that is | 11:06 |
| JRe | allee: gphoto2: i also have a canon | 11:06 |
| allee | JRe: but I can recruite many more testers on #digikam. At least 3 running dapper | 11:07 |
| JRe | allee: should be cool | 11:07 |
| JRe | allee: they also have the bug with media:/ not showing gphoto2 camera ? | 11:08 |
| allee | JRe: yea | 11:08 |
| allee | yes | 11:08 |
| JRe | allee: ooky | 11:08 |
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| JRe | s/it/he/ | 11:09 |
| allee | JRe: there was no service entry media/pghoto2camera yet? | 11:15 |
| allee | JRe: next digikam release will have it. Promised :) | 11:15 |
| JRe | =) | 11:17 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: maybe I test dapper installer, where's flight-2 install media? | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | http://www.planetemu.net/temp/kubuntu-default-settings_5.10-18_all.deb | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | anyone wants to test this on breezy ? | 11:20 |
| Tonio_ | JRe: if you wanna test ;) | 11:20 |
| \sh | Tm_T: cdimage.ubuntu.com? | 11:20 |
| Tm_T | ah! | 11:20 |
| Tm_T | I'm blind | 11:20 |
| Tm_T | and too angry about this whole mess | 11:21 |
| allee | JRe: $%#^ what's the 'application' to file the bug against? Searching in the popdown list is crazy :) | 11:22 |
| JRe | mediamanager ? | 11:22 |
| Tm_T | supposed to have working shell server 2h ago | 11:22 |
| allee | JRe: only two mediacontrol entries. Check this already :( | 11:23 |
| allee | JRe: kio/media? | 11:23 |
| JRe | mmm | 11:23 |
| JRe | dam | 11:23 |
| JRe | kioslaves/media | 11:23 |
| JRe | kdebase/kioslave/media | 11:23 |
| JRe | the last I am almost sure | 11:24 |
| allee | JRe: only kio/media exists. | 11:26 |
| JRe | kio/media is fine | 11:27 |
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| JRe | allee: don't worry next time I see ervin on #solid i'll remember that to him :) | 11:31 |
| allee | JRe: :) Thx! | 11:32 |
| poningru | so can someone confirm something | 11:56 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecentChanges | 11:56 |
| poningru | that says that the next release code names will be alphabetical | 11:56 |
| poningru | is that true? | 11:57 |
| Riddell | poningru: yes | 12:02 |
| poningru | ok cool thanks man | 12:02 |
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