[12:03] <\sh> Riddell: works for me [12:03] \sh: running ./kde-hal-device-manager? [12:03] <\sh> Riddell: no...but trying kpybt [12:03] <\sh> moment... [12:03] yeah it compiles [12:04] <\sh> ah did you use kapplication instead of qapplication? [12:04] hmm, no I did not [12:04] <\sh> Riddell: for kde you should [12:04] right [12:05] <\sh> about=KAboutData(prgName,prgName,prgVersion,prgDesc,lic,"© 2005") [12:05] <\sh> about.addAuthor(authorname,str(authordesc),authormail) [12:05] <\sh> KCmdLineArgs.init(sys.argv,about) [12:05] <\sh> app=KApplication() [12:05] <\sh> mainWindow=KPyBTMainWindow(mainpath) [12:05] <\sh> mainWindow.show() [12:05] <\sh> app.setMainWidget(mainWindow) [12:05] <\sh> app.exec_loop() [12:05] <\sh> this is the main fragment in __main__ for the starter :) [12:05] ah thanks, was hoping I wouldn't have to look that up :) [12:06] <\sh> Riddell: the variables for kaboutdata are set before :) [12:07] <\sh> Riddell: and provide a Makefile :) [12:07] <\sh> because the for building the app it should rebuild all .ui stuff :) [12:07] <\sh> so you don't have to carry unused .py files with you :) [12:09] <\sh> Riddell: but I'm glad to see you playing with python and qt/kde stuff :) it's so easy to implement nice apps with those tools :) [12:09] oh yes, it's lovely === Tm_T tested kde-hal-device-manager today, found it useful [12:09] the hal person doesn't want it in hal though :( [12:11] <\sh> why not? [12:11] doesn't want to have the same code in twice just for two different widget sets, and it's not that useful to end users anyway [12:14] ah, an discussion about hal ... [12:14] Riddell: any idea how best to debug what media events kfile_media gets? [12:15] allee: nope, I don't think I even know what kfile_media is [12:15] I try to figure out gphoto2 supported camera do not generate a pop up (works fine here with usb storage kameras) [12:17] Riddell: I added a service type for ServiceTypes=media/removable_unmounted,media/camera_unmounted [12:17] and now digikam download dialog can be started when a usb disk is pluged in [12:17] but ServiceTypes=media/gphoto2camera [12:18] gives nothing when a gphoto2 supported camera gets pluged in :( [12:19] <\sh> Riddell: then package the stuff by yourself and bring it into ubuntu :) [12:19] <\sh> Riddell: the gtk ui is separate from the normal hal package right? [12:20] it's part of the hal sources [12:20] <\sh> Riddell: but a separate package? [12:20] yes, separate binary package [12:20] <\sh> so you could seed your package for kubuntu [12:20] certainly could [12:21] <\sh> (if it's seeded anyways for ubuntu, the gtk ui) [12:22] it's in main [12:23] trouble with kde-hal-device-manager is that python-dcop brings in glib and stuff, but we have that in anyway from gstreamer [12:23] hm, how do i make xine play .mov again? :p [12:23] Verwilst: get w32codecs [12:23] i have :p [12:24] maybe i'll just copy the binaries from the player site [12:24] mplayer* [12:25] <\sh> Riddell: are you sure you need python-dcop? [12:25] <\sh> Riddell: have a look here: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2005-May/010265.html [12:26] <\sh> Riddell: pykde brings his own dcop implementation as far as I know [12:26] but wasn't that hal-device-manager qt-only? [12:27] <\sh> teprrr: because riddell missed kdepyuic :) [12:28] \sh, ahh. okay :) [12:30] <\sh> Riddell: btw...dapper gets now a new python-kde3 package where I fixed some dependencies for python-kde3-dev [12:32] \sh: just saw that coming by on dapper-changes === _Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:34] xmkmf: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [12:34] xutils: Depends: imake but it is not going to be installed [12:34] still no luck with these? === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] teprrr <3 [12:35] whooops [12:35] btw, akregator has gotten an update but I see nothing new on gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.dapper feed.. why's that? [12:35] Tm_T ;) [12:36] <\sh> aren't we using the akregator from kdenetwork? [12:36] akregator is in kdepim :) [12:36] but hmm, so if something new happens on metapackage kdepim, all the packages get "updated"? [12:36] <\sh> well...kdepim then [12:36] <\sh> no [12:37] <\sh> only if something is changing in kdepim source package :) then yes :) [12:37] /var/lib/dpkg/info/texinfo.postinst: line 56: update_ls_files: command not found [12:37] install problem [12:37] <\sh> Tm_T: it's fixed in 4.8-3 [12:38] \sh: Setting up texinfo (4.8-3) [12:38] <\sh> uh..then 4.8-4 [12:38] :p [12:38] <\sh> which is not there in debian ;) [12:38] and that comes... [12:38] <\sh> hmm...but why I was installing it today without any problems? [12:38] <\sh> I just tested it [12:38] heh [12:39] well, I'll wait [12:39] <\sh> I only saw the bugreport and debians maintainer talking about a fix...4.8-4 but 4.8-3 was the last one in the debian archives and nothing in incoming [12:39] \sh, well. um, afaik kdepim isn't anything but metapackage on ubuntu, and it's a module name in kde.. [12:40] <\sh> Files: [12:40] <\sh> f3e627eadadedcbb43dc5c5a0fed7bfd 1579 kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3.dsc [12:40] <\sh> 3e1d7613173f369c69ec95ac116738c4 16251713 kdepim_3.5.0.orig.tar.gz [12:40] <\sh> cffe015c6c646bf5bd274f3ac97d66ca 154938 kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [12:40] <\sh> no it's a source package name :) [12:40] hmm.. :p [12:40] where can I get that? [12:40] <\sh> kdepim the meta package is in universe (breezy that is) and is a real meta package :) [12:41] <\sh> teprrr: hmm? running breezy or dapper? [12:41] \sh, dapper [12:41] <\sh> teprrr: the source you will get if you vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add a deb-src line the same way as the normal deb line [12:41] <\sh> then apt-get update [12:42] <\sh> and apt-get source e.g. apt-get source akregator will download kdepim_3.5.0-0ubuntu3* [12:43] well, mmh. yes I know that way.. but umm [12:43] well, umh, mmh [12:43] gonna watch shield first :) [12:43] <\sh> to get the source of the kdepim meta package [12:43] <\sh> is as well in the kdepim source package :) [12:43] <\sh> check the debian/control [12:45] yup, gonna check it [12:51] mhm, source didn't went into /usr/src.. :o [12:52] <\sh> no it's going directly there where you start the apt-get source command [12:52] <\sh> there is a .dsc [12:52] <\sh> a .diff.gz [12:52] <\sh> a .orig.tar.gz [12:52] <\sh> and a directory with the source named like kdepim-3.5.0 [12:52] <\sh> it's not like redhat where it goes into /usr/src/redhat/SRPMS/ [12:52] <\sh> or something like this [12:54] ah, yes, I recalled it falsely [12:57] umh, why on earth the whole kdepim is packaged into one package?! [12:57] <\sh> no.. [12:58] <\sh> the binaries are splitted into several packages as you can see in debian/control [12:58] <\sh> the source but is one big fat file..ask KDE.org why it is like this :) [12:58] yeah, got it now.. so it's the original source file [12:59] <\sh> the problem right now is, that e.g. amarok or kopete have as well separate single point releases which are not in the release files of the kde dist [12:59] <\sh> teprrr: yes [12:59] mmh, afaik kopete is in kde [12:59] amarok is in extragear, so it's not included in distribution at all [01:00] <\sh> right...I meant akregator :) [01:00] akregator only historyic [01:00] akregator only historyically I think [01:00] before it went into KDE [01:00] kopete did have a separate release to fix a problem with MSN chaning their protocol, we just patched it [01:00] yup, akregator was before 3.4 outside too [01:01] yup, thats the case === hunger [n=hunger@p54A628AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:19] mmh, where has ssh-askpass disappeared? [01:30] <\sh> /usr/lib/ssh/x11-ssh-askpass [01:30] <\sh> is in ssh-askpass package [01:30] <\sh> or ssh-askpass-gnome or ssh-askpass-fullscreen === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-82-47.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:37] hello poningru [01:38] Hi [01:38] woah [01:39] Riddell saying hi to me? [01:40] unless there's another poningru around here :) [01:40] poningru: going to join our rocking team of KDE MOTU? [01:41] hehe I would love to [01:41] if only I had the time [01:41] actually if you had some mule work for me to do I would love to do it [01:42] see if someone wanted something tested etc. [01:42] wait is there a different kde-motu team than the ubuntu motu team? [01:42] err kubuntu motu team [01:43] KDE MOTU is one of the teams that makes up the MOTU [01:43] there is also GNOME MOTU and various other affiliations [01:43] ah gotcha [01:43] we're all the same MOTU though [01:43] right === poningru would love to do some packaging/testing unfortunately dont have enough time [01:45] <\sh> there is always some time to spend on k-ubuntu :) [01:45] mule work.. want to fill in my tax return form? :) [01:45] \sh: yes :) [01:45] <\sh> shock [01:45] Riddell: you mean you have money? :) [01:45] <\sh> AMU ! [01:46] <\sh> amu: back from holidays? [01:46] btw. the airport extreme runs under linux [01:46] heck I will probably do it [01:46] sealne: only until Her Maj's Customs and Excise take it off me [01:46] Riddell: is it anything bigger than a 1040ez? [01:46] altho i suppose IRS don't care [01:46] \sh: yep [01:46] poningru: hmm? what's one of those? [01:46] I thought you were in the US [01:46] no, Scotland [01:47] <\sh> amu: short trip :) [01:47] <\sh> hmmm..just updating remotely my amd64 to dapper...and hope the kernel is not breaking my machine [01:47] could have sworn you wrote something about hawaii or something [01:47] must have been someone else then [01:47] <\sh> Riddell is everywhere [01:47] poningru: the conference in hawii is using kubuntu, but I'm not going === poningru reads the post [01:48] ah [01:48] \sh: I've considered that, but my pbuilder is on the opposite coast of the US, so I'm "playing it safe." [01:48] <\sh> crimsun: hehe :) [01:49] poningru: if you want to download and test a daily live or install CD that's always welcome [01:49] Riddell: any news on a vote? i'd kinda like to know wether i'm having a holiday this summer or not :) [01:49] well ofcourse I do that [01:49] sealne: no news at all I'm afraid, I'm a bit annoyed that one hasn't started, I asked why and got no response [01:50] flight 2, two partitions: kubuntu, ubuntu [01:50] 2 gigs each [01:50] poningru: daily build, not flight 2 that's old stuff now [01:50] hmm [01:50] how does one do that? [01:50] linky? [01:50] Riddell: thats a bit shit, delaying for a reason can be justified but... [01:50] poningru: grab it from cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu [01:51] awesome [01:51] and its not like we are the only ones in this situation [01:51] I see janimo has already uploaded a newer ivman. Cool. [01:51] how fast are those updated? [01:51] poningru: every day at about 05:00UTC [01:52] nice [01:52] will do [01:52] you know what then, maybe I should go do that right now [01:52] poningru: usually they get tested just before we make a flight release but it's a lot better to have people testing them between flight releases so we know it's broken before we want to make a flight CD [01:52] hmm true [01:53] is there a changelog somewhere? [01:53] to know what to test etc. [01:53] poningru: dapper-changes mailing list :) [01:53] hehe cool === Riddell wonders how to use a KListViewSearchLine from designer [01:54] ooh didn't even know they existed === sealne wishes work would quiten down so he had decent time to work on katch [01:56] <\sh> KlistviewSearchLine? [01:57] <\sh> is it 3.5? or as well in 3.4.x? [01:57] <\sh> because pykde supports still only 3.4.x api [01:57] apparently neither does korundum [01:57] whats katch? [01:57] just something i'm working on [01:58] forensic analysis [01:58] ah, got it working with a quick addListView() [01:58] and voila, a searchable list view. nice [02:01] when does expresso land? [02:02] bah, kdepyuic doesn't work with KListViewSearchLineWidget [02:03] passes the wrong arguments to the contructor [02:03] <\sh> Riddell: then there is something wrong with the sip stu [02:03] <\sh> ff [02:04] \sh: any idea where I report that as a bug? [02:05] poningru: about a week before release probably :) [02:05] hehe [02:05] <\sh> Riddell: yes [02:06] <\sh> Riddell: riverbanks computing.. [02:06] <\sh> Riddell: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/mailman/listinfo/pykde [02:06] <\sh> on this list [02:06] <\sh> I don't know if they have a bts for this [02:07] is livecd testing necessary? [02:08] well that important I mean [02:08] I'd say so, yes. [02:08] NameError: global name 'KIconButton' is not defined [02:08] waa [02:09] poningru: of course, we need the live CD to work as well as the install one [02:09] <\sh> KIconButton ? [02:10] <\sh> I don't find any kiconbutton in the kdeui class list ,() [02:10] why is KIconButton in kio/kfile? [02:10] that's crazy [02:10] <\sh> what? [02:10] http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kio/kfile/html/classKIconButton.html [02:11] <\sh> no [02:11] <\sh> it's a joke, right? [02:11] <\sh> A pushbutton for choosing an icon. A push button that allows selection of an icon. [02:11] <\sh> Pressing on the button will open a KIconDialog for the user to select an icon. The current icon will be displayed on the button. [02:11] <\sh> lol [02:11] <\sh> well... [02:12] <\sh> actually it should belong in kdeui [02:12] <\sh> or it should be a private class only for kicondialog [02:13] <\sh> Unpacking replacement kmail ... [02:13] <\sh> Errors were encountered while processing: [02:13] <\sh> /var/cache/apt/archives/krita_1%3a1.4.2-3ubuntu6_amd64.deb [02:13] <\sh> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [02:13] <\sh> ah now it goes...after apt-get -f install [02:26] now I'm stuck on how to use KIconLoader's SmallIconSet() from pykde [02:26] it's not a member function [02:33] <\sh> what about QPixmap KIconLoader::SmallIconSet() [02:33] <\sh> or SmallIconSet [02:34] <\sh> SmallIconset() only I think...it doesn't belong to the namespace it looks like === m-fox [n=m-fox@port-212-202-8-95.dynamic.qsc.de] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] [03:17] Riddell: http://mats.imk.fraunhofer.de/pipermail/pykde/2005-April/010092.html === sebas sleeps. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:27] Mez: up late? [04:27] yeah - for once - lol - I'm actually up late instead of just going to bed [04:28] I'm in the transitional phase of going from nights to days [04:28] lol - but then gotta go back to nights again for tuesday [04:28] lol [04:28] so I dont know why i do it [04:28] working nightshift or something? === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> brown.freenode.net === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:32] I work a permanent night shift [04:32] just got three days off :D lol [04:32] so I'm still trying to get back to being up in the day [04:32] lol [04:32] I still havent seen daylight for about 3 montsh [04:43] yikes === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:47] anyone awake to try http://kubuntu.org/~jr/kde-hal-device-manager/kde-hal-device-manager_0.3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb ? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] Riddell, downloading [05:50] 04:50:51 ERROR 404: Not Found. [05:52] try now [05:56] where should it show ? [05:57] kmenu->system [05:57] apparently I dont have hal installed [05:57] install it? [05:58] hal: Depends: dbus (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed [05:58] dbus: Conflicts: libdbus-1-1 but 0.36.2-0ubuntu7 is to be installed === Mez pokes it to work [05:59] no wonder this thing has been cruddy === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-229-206-28.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] hello LaserJock [06:11] Hi Riddell [06:11] would you happen to be available for a REVU review? [06:12] LaserJock: it's 5 in the morning! [06:12] (maybe) [06:13] oh, well nevermind then [06:13] I can ask somebody else [06:14] what is it? [06:14] plotdrop [06:14] it was already advocated 2 times but ajmitch wanted me to change something real quick [06:15] I only need one more vote and an upload ;-) [06:15] it is a pretty small package [06:15] LaserJock: did you make the change ajmitch wanted? [06:16] maybe if I called it kplotdrop it would have reviewed faster ;-) [06:16] Riddell: yes I did [06:16] I checked with him and he seemed satisfied [06:16] but he didn't have time to do a proper review himself I guess [06:18] Riddell: hi [06:18] hi freeflying [06:18] freeflying: still working on qt I'm afraid, will do first thing tomorrow [06:19] Riddell: :) [06:19] sure seems like there is a big movement within the Ubuntu community toward Kubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:21] I was looking at the Distrowatch stats the other day and Kubuntu was #11 and it has more hits per day than Ubuntu did last year [06:22] how does that work? [06:23] I guess that is a comparison of 2004 to 2005 but I think the #11 ranking is pretty impressive [06:23] I was looking at http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20060102#phr [06:24] LaserJock: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1344 some issues, you can fix them or I'm happy to upload if you don't want to [06:27] but I'm going to bed now so make your mind up soon [06:28] well, the libglade warning is an upstream thing that I'm not going to fix as it is a known issue [06:28] it doesn't really effect anything so I'm not worrying about it [06:28] fair enough [06:29] I would like to get it uploaded if possible, I can change the debhelper with the next release if that is ok with you [06:32] yep, I'll upload [06:38] Riddell: thank you so much, I have been trying to get reviewers for around a month now. [06:39] I'm still waiting for a way to actually set a password in revu, heh. [06:40] if this keeps up, I'll just manually add a subkey component and reupload my key to a keyserver, because this is getting annoying. [06:44] plotdrop_0.5-0ubuntu1_source.changes is NEW [06:46] Riddell: got the email. thanks agian === Riddell sleeps [06:47] night Ridell [06:47] crimsun - whats up with your key / [06:48] something to do with REVU? [06:48] Mez: it's sign-only, so both LP and REVU (which require one to be able to encipher/decipher text) fail [06:49] ah - why do you have a sign-only key ? [06:49] the needed portion was revoked. [06:49] I'm just going to add another subcomponent and resync to wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F5DF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4205.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D4205.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@95.Red-81-36-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:26] anyone has read the (new) adept spec? [12:26] comments? [12:27] where? [01:00] wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperPackageManager [01:24] looks very cool; the individual deb handling a very good idea IMO [01:25] they're hoping to eventually replace synaptic with gnome-app-install -- is that going to be (if a somewhat fareoff) ideal of adept too? [01:38] (personally it's really good to see such close connection to the advances in apt and apt-related things; sounds promising) === Verwilst [n=verwilst@dD5E0099B.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] mornfall: reading [03:12] mornfall: "The expanded package info shall have the states colored in the same way the list has." [03:12] have I seen the list being coloured? or is it just the states text in the list? [03:14] "By default the terminal that is used during commit will be hidden and a progressbar will be shown. A button will be present to show the terminal." too many shows [03:14] show the terminal by default please :) === Tm_T love terminals [03:15] hey Tm_T [03:15] hullo === Tm_T is "debugging" kopete msn pugin [03:16] +l [03:16] mornfall: "Eventually, the detailed package view" I don't think this is about evenually it's about what will go in adept 2 [03:16] that means, trying to use, but it does not =) [03:16] doesn't work [03:18] mornfall: "Otherwise, we rely on the apt cronjob to pull updates." which apt crontjob? [03:20] Riddell: /etc/cron.daily/apt ? [03:20] mornfall: "the presented package list will reflect ubuntu menu structure", I'm changing that to Kubuntu since if it uses kde-applications.menu they'll show the the KDE manor [03:21] morn@lor-k-breezy/k3:~ -> apt-config shell x APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists [03:21] x='1' [03:21] mornfall: ok, I get it [03:21] breezy has a cronjob that runs apt-get update :) [03:22] and it's enabled by default... so i guess it'd be non-nice to do that on our own again [03:22] Riddell: as for eventually, that depends on how we decide on the UI [03:23] Riddell: the things that are not decided are, well, not decided [03:25] as for stylistic changes, feel free to correct them [03:26] s/changes/problems/ [03:28] 14:12 < Riddell> mornfall: "The expanded package info shall have the states colored in the same way the list has." [03:28] 14:12 < Riddell> have I seen the list being coloured? or is it just the states text in the list? [03:28] Riddell: package states and actions are coloured [03:28] the text of them? [03:29] what else :) [03:29] yes the text [03:29] well I was imagining large blocks of background colour for some reason, I'll edit to clarify === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] hey JRe, freeflying_ [03:31] hi jpatrick [03:31] jpatrick: hi [03:31] mornfall: looks good, I think it might need some rought mockups of the new user interfaces [03:32] Riddell: today's ppc livecd can not login [03:32] mornfall: just of the quality like these is fine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuExpress/GnomeUserInterface [03:32] freeflying_: hmm, what stage does it get to? [03:33] Riddell: kdm [03:33] Riddell: make snapshots of the alpha :p [03:35] freeflying_: but then it just can't log in at all? or does it start to log in then break? [03:36] mornfall: yep, that's fine too [03:36] but it doesn't have .deb installer yet etc [03:36] Riddell: it can't login [03:36] Riddell: stop at kdm [03:36] freeflying_: actually the live CD shouldn't bring up KDM it should just automatically login. so something strange there, I'll look into it thanks [03:37] Riddell: because it can not automatical login , so it give a kdm login face [03:38] Riddell: if someone does the sketches why not, i just don't have time to fool around, since it's generally just little more work to implement it [03:40] Riddell: you still owe me th qt , :) [03:48] freeflying_: working on it [03:48] mornfall: ok === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:09] hi all [04:09] Riddell: ping [04:09] hi Tonio_ [04:10] fine ? [04:11] I think I am [04:11] I just made several tests with the profiles and I cannot find a better solution than 2 bars [04:11] so what do you decide ? [04:11] One bar and no kpart fonctions, or 2 bars like http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture4.png [04:12] Riddell: also, what about adding to akregator kubuntu feeds by default, like for konversation with the chan ? [04:13] Tonio_: 2 bars like that is ugly as anything, it'll just have to stay as one bar and no kpart fonctions [04:13] akregator should have kubuntu feeds as default, unless that's been lost somewhere [04:14] okay, I wasn't sure, because I personaly changed the profiles [04:14] yep, akregator does, you just need to start with a fresh akregatorrc [04:14] okay, so let's remove the "window" menu [04:15] and plce some of it's options in the view one, and I'll show you the result [04:15] yeah [04:16] http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png [04:16] and what about that ? [04:16] having the extra kpart with icons+text looks interesting; been using a similar thing for a few weeks now [04:16] is that ugly to you ? [04:16] that better to my view, although it ressembles to the kde default === apokryphos finds it ugly [04:16] but with extra things missing [04:16] apokryphos: ok ;) [04:16] Tonio_: yes, it's just the kde default, too many toolbar buttons by far [04:17] too much space [04:17] hum [04:18] you decide, even if I personally disagree ;) [04:19] simplifying by removing fonctionnalities is a point of view I don't share... [04:20] let's go with this [04:20] agreed [04:20] kde is great because it has a lot of functionality [04:20] s/functionality/functionalities/ [04:21] for example, the splitting windows thingy [04:21] it will just act like the Windows Explorer actually... [04:21] not more..... [04:21] before you told me it could be accessed by right clicking the status bar, I just couldn't use it anymore Riddell [04:21] I couldn't guess it was there [04:22] yet it's such a useful feature [04:22] no, that's why the splitting stuff should go back either in the Window menu or a sub-menu of View [04:22] that's the goal, reorganising the menus raphink [04:22] that will be changed, I changed many things on that point [04:22] ok [04:22] well I'd be happy as long as I can find all the options in logical places [04:22] the problem is just on the kpart integration to menus [04:23] and not have to right click on a weird place to access them [04:23] for example the zoom functions while browsing the web, or images functions etc.... [04:23] mhm [04:23] ht issue is that I can't tell konq to display those buttons only while the khtmlpart isn't in use..... [04:24] so we're gettings 4 additionnal buttons while browsing the web : http://www.planetemu.net/temp/capture5.png [04:24] and I can't find a good compromisse.... [04:24] s/compromisse/compromise [04:25] I just ask many users and the great majority was prefering capture5.png, but anyway, I don't decide ;) [04:26] everyone is fine with Nero on windows, which has about twice as many buttons.... [04:27] ug, I find nero unusable [04:27] same for winamp, amarok, is WAY more complicated that this.... [04:27] I also find amarok unusable :) [04:27] Riddell: about 80% windows users seems to be fine with it.... [04:28] same with photoshop elements.... lots of non experts are using it quite easilly.... [04:28] right [04:28] windows users are used to having lots of buttons [04:28] that's why kde is used by much more newbies that gnome [04:28] although gnome is way more simplified [04:28] and windows users are the main target for (k)ubuntu [04:29] Riddell: no program will perform better than amarok [04:29] Tonio_: that's the bad thing [04:30] it goes overboard [04:30] jpatrick: you meen ? [04:30] jpatrick: I don't talk about not simplying it [04:30] I agree it has to [04:30] kde is full of options, what's the point of having it look like gnome when you could use all the options it has in a click? [04:30] jpatrick: but not by removing one of it's major feature [04:31] the kpart integration to menus, that make konq that modular and that powerfull [04:31] yes [04:31] actually, just open a pdf file on the web.... 80% will be unreadable if tou can't zoom [04:31] windows + IE has no problem [04:31] mhm [04:32] that what a windows user will say, and he will be right.... [04:32] well zooming with kpdf embbed in konq is terrible right now [04:32] that might be why easykubuntu proposes to install acroread iirc [04:32] and people use acroread embbed in firefox [04:32] exactly... [04:33] so they have the buttons to zoom, etc. [04:33] although it would be possible to get exactly the same features with konq+kpdf [04:33] same thing if you open a tgz.... [04:33] if dealing properly with the buttons [04:33] yes [04:33] you have to perform a right click, openwith.... [04:33] you should access the ark buttons [04:33] Tonio_: well you can go to the file menu, too [04:33] and choose open with [04:34] that's what I said.... [04:34] but I agree the ark buttons should just be available in konq when viweing archies [04:34] but that's not convenient.... === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.48.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:34] same for images with the gwenview component.... [04:34] yes [04:34] I hate gwenview as it is right now [04:34] because you can do nothing with the images almost [04:35] you just view images one by one [04:35] hello Huahua [04:35] we have softs to have it like windows does it : performing a slide show within konq [04:35] hello Riddell [04:35] Huahua: hi [04:35] hi Huahua [04:35] hi raphink === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:36] hi Huahua [04:36] morning Sime [04:36] hi Tonio [04:36] Riddell: can we translate system setting into chinese now in launchpad [04:36] morning(?) [04:36] Hi [04:37] freeflying_: not yet, but you will be able to when dapper translation files get loaded into launchpad at string freeze time [04:38] Riddell: http://www.simonzone.com/software/pykdeextensions/en/using-qtdesigner.html [04:38] Riddell: PyKDE extensions should work with Qt designer and KDE widgets [04:39] Riddell: then how long will it be === raphink wonders why most windows users he knows of add several buttons bar (google, yahoo, etc.) to their browser if they don't like buttons [04:40] Riddell: isn't it because most users want as many buttons as possible ? [04:40] raphink: +1 [04:40] Riddell: from my experience teaching computers to newbies (my mom for ex), most users are afraid of menus [04:40] they're afraid of anything that has too much text [04:40] maybe not, but they prefer functionnalities than extreme simplification [04:40] they much prefer having buttons they can recognize [04:41] than lists of text [04:41] freeflying_: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/DapperReleaseSchedule march 16th [04:41]