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[01:58] On Intel [01:58] <\sh> sounds good :) [01:59] weee [01:59] we want packages. :) [02:01] indeed [02:01] Yeah, would be cool to have packages for it [02:01] Needs patched mesa at the moment [02:03] mjg59, let's hope someone whips it into shape upstream, so distro's start shipping and gnome/kde can depend on it for eyecandy. :) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] <\sh> jdub: ping could I request a ML from you? name: kubuntu-de ? [02:21] \sh: make sure you tell the ubuntu-de loco team know if you set that up [02:21] <\sh> Riddell: jepp... === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-75-208.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-173-120.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] whoops, sorry, I'm good === lilo [i=levin@freenode/staff/pdpc.levin] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:25] must be secretly spying on us! [03:26] that happens when you are in the wrong network! === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [i=jcape@71.194.176.102] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nix4me [n=nix4me@49.104.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] Any Atheros users alive right now? [04:50] this is weird.... the e2fsprogs package fails to build from source... gets some errors converting texi to html docs === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-38.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@pcd302172.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rikai-2 [n=gtk2@pool-68-238-59-32.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joe_alf [n=joe_alf@n219077165128.netvigator.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jblack [n=jblack@static-209-158-45-74.scr.east.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-229-206-28.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:36] jdub: ping === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] crimsun: pong [06:45] jdub: hi, have you had a chance to sign my key (0xC88ABDA3)? [06:50] crimsun: hrm! [06:50] crimsun: haven't, mostly because i haven't revoked my gpg key and done all of that silly stuff. [06:51] jdub: ok, no rush. Thanks. [06:55] ha ha [06:55] "I've been receiving a fair amount of e-mail from people who are sure that I don't know Linux, but their notes are really showing me that they don't know reviewing." - Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === floam is now known as YourMomTasteGood === YourMomTasteGood is now known as floam [07:30] is dvd playback supported? [07:31] Define "supported" [07:32] We don't ship libdvdcss, so I don't suppose we support playback of encrypted DVDs. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:35] i mean can a user complain that it's not working? [07:35] yes [07:35] until [07:35] and this is something we should care about? [07:35] we say "but we know it won't work" [07:35] "sorry, legal issues" [07:35] "etc." [07:35] "have a nice day!" [07:35] "*CLICK!*" [07:35] right. but they've already installed dvdread/libcss/whatever [07:36] ah, then they should eject the CD and stick it in again [07:36] watch it magically work [07:36] 'linux is so not ready for the desktop....grumble...[hang up] ' [07:36] If you can show me that a non-CSS DVD doesn't work, then complain. [07:36] jdub; ? [07:36] Gman-: "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE LINUX DESKTOP!!!!111" -> that's what i do [07:36] desrt: seriously. [07:36] If you want to complain about a CSS DVD not working, there's not much I can do. [07:36] heh [07:36] jdub: w00t :D [07:36] desrt: this time, i'm not shitting you. [07:36] ok well [07:36] the user is me. [07:37] so if i put the disc in again, it will work? [07:37] highly likely. [07:37] Depends on the problem you're having. :) === desrt tries :) [07:37] I've not yet found a DVD I couldn't play with xine+libdvdcss. [07:37] Totem was not able to play this disc. [07:37] No reason. [07:37] Though, some required some serious fiddling with preferences. === jdub says the magic word ("motherfucker"). === infinity curses Lucasfilm... [07:37] well [07:37] i have a dvd here :) [07:37] it's called "pretty woman" [07:38] perhaps you've heard of it :) [07:38] in fact, it was the first one i grabbed. it may be a fluke or there may be others [07:38] Some giant-mouthed lady, pretending to be a sex worker. [07:38] (i know for a fact that some others *do* play) [07:38] Yeah, sounds familiar. [07:38] lemme grab some more === desrt needs a larger sample [07:40] pretty woman: does not play [07:40] dave matthews band live ("listener supported"): does play [07:41] i'd accuse you of only telling us about the good ones [07:41] but then, you already mentioned pretty woman [07:41] :) [07:41] amlie: does not play [07:41] that's just cheating [07:42] ? [07:42] that's the ultimate, "yes, i have taste" dvd [07:42] :p [07:42] it's one of the few in this pile that i actually own [07:42] i think you're going to have to destroy pretty woman [07:42] (the dave matthews one being another) [07:43] fifth element: definitely does not play [07:44] run lola run: does not play [07:44] this is weird..... [07:45] when they can't play, are they mounted as filesystems? [07:45] yes. they always are. [07:45] unmount them, try again [07:45] hold a sec. [07:46] good morning vietnam: weird [07:47] ok [07:47] unmounting has no effect [07:47] some definitions: [07:47] 'does play': i get the menu and can play the dvd just fine [07:47] 'does not play': i get the FBI notices and the studio logo thing but then i get a "make sure you have libdvdcss installed" notice [07:48] 'definitely does not play': i get the "make sure you have libdvdcss installed" notice immediately [07:48] weird (good morning vietnam): i get the fbi notices and the studio logo and then totem seems to think the movie is over [07:48] stick the same CD in twice [07:48] eject, reinsert? === desrt disables automount [07:49] same story [07:50] fwiw, it's a sony dvd-rw connected with firewire [07:50] the dave matthews DVD is all-region [07:50] the rest are region 1 only [07:50] the drive has had its region code set in windows (to region 1) === desrt tries usb [07:53] An error occurred [07:53] The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss? [07:53] same old same old (so it's not firewire causing the problem) [07:53] Have you tried with xine? [07:54] totem and I have never agreed on... well... anything. [07:54] no. but i have tried with vlc and mplayer. they both fail in similar ways === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] i get some informing console output [07:55] something about being unable to crack CSS keys [07:55] Yeah, xine has more fancy options to change how keysearches are done, which is how I got around my Star Wars DVD problems. === desrt installs it [07:56] (Star Wars was dying for me in the "Everything up to the menu works, then the world explodes" way...) [07:57] libdvdread: Get key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB at 0x0002b12c [07:57] libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB (0x0002b12c)!! [07:57] this seems to be the problem. [07:57] infinity: as long as you use libdvdcss, setting the DVDCSS_METHOD env. var to disc [07:57] infinity: should solve a lot of problems [07:57] DVDCSS_METHOD=disc ? [07:57] I had to set it to "title" for SW.. [07:57] desrt: export, yes [07:58] libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_1.VOB (0x0002b12c)!! [07:58] :( [07:58] it successfully cracks the key for some of the chapters [07:58] which is why i get the intro junk [07:58] but it always fails on the main title [07:58] desrt: Use METHOD="title" [07:58] k [07:59] (This is assuming that env var is the right one.. I just set this in xine's preferences) [07:59] DVDCSS_METHOD=title totem dvd:///dev/scd0 [08:00] http://wiki.ws0.org/wakka.php?wakka=libdvdcss explains what the different values do [08:01] hum [08:01] i wonder what happens if i use METHOD=title directly on the .vob file === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:07] i find it suspicious that it fails so rapidly when i use the title method [08:08] Delete your key cache.. [08:08] i -just- did :p === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:09] it gets a title key of 00:00:00:00:00 [08:09] >:| [08:09] Neat. [08:09] libdvdcss debug: cracking title key [08:09] libdvdcss error: read error [08:09] libdvdcss debug: 0 of 0 attempts successful, 0 of 0 blocks scrambled [08:09] libdvdcss debug: title key is 00:00:00:00:00 [08:09] libdvdcss error: fatal error in vts css key [08:10] 0 attempts? heh. [08:10] this feels kinda like a libdvdcss bug [08:10] desrt: is that on a new machine? [08:11] well [08:11] new dvd drive [08:11] ok [08:11] got it for christmas :) [08:11] apt-get install regioncode [08:11] this is not the problem. [08:11] and set the region on the dvd driver.. kthxbye [08:11] (plus... regioncode does not recognise my drive) [08:11] wanna bet? [08:11] i've set the regioncode using windows. [08:11] i had the same problem on the powerbook dvd [08:11] same error [08:11] region set did it [08:12] regionset is already the newest version. [08:12] ERROR: Could not retrieve region code settings of the drive! [08:12] This could mean your drive is region free and doesn't need any setting. [08:12] it is -not- a region-free drive [08:13] \o/ entertainment industry.. *sigh* [08:13] in any case, libdvdcss claims to be able to work without setting the region [08:13] desrt: nah.. it can't [08:13] well. i have set it [08:13] you need to set it, but it might be the driver that needs to be set on each boot [08:13] who knos [08:13] knows === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun_ [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:23] desrt: Can't retrieve code just means it's never been set properly. You can still set one. [08:32] infinity; i tried that. it said that it failed to set it [08:33] infinity; (and when i checked it windows it was true... it hadn't been set) [08:33] Curious. [08:33] i've set it in windows now and the regionset program still thinks that it's unset [08:34] it really is evil. [08:34] Maybe you've found a drive that our tools/drivers genuinely hate. [08:34] Enter the new region number for your drive [1..8] :1 [08:34] New mask: 0xFFFFFFFE, correct? [y/n] :y [08:34] ERROR: Region code could not be set! [08:35] it's making a DVD_AUTH ioctl which returns -ENOSYS [08:35] i've checked the kernel [08:35] the only code path that could do that is this: [08:35] if (!CDROM_CAN(CDC_DVD)) [08:35] return -ENOSYS; [08:36] it's as if it doesn't even think that it's a DVD drive.... [08:36] (but obviously it can mount it and play the first bits of movies) [08:37] huh! [08:37] [4750685.622000] Vendor: SONY Model: DVD RW DRU-810A Rev: 2.0d [08:37] [4750685.622000] Type: CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 00 [08:37] so that _is_ the problem [08:37] ok. this is a kernel bug. [08:37] That certainly seems a bit problematic.. [08:38] hah. benc runs away. [08:38] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77219 [08:38] this thread the user says they had one heck of a time getting the drive working in breezy but in hoary it was OK [08:39] i wonder if this detecting-as-cd business is a regression [08:39] yes [08:39] oh? === desrt starts poking around inside the kernel [08:45] desrt: it might be easier if you could test .15 [08:45] and see if it fixes it [08:45] i'm running dapper here [08:45] hm ok [08:45] git-bisect is your friend :) [08:45] binary search for regression? [08:46] it will take you a few kernel rebuilds [08:46] desrt: sort of [08:46] this forum post is questionable at best.... i'm not sure he's talking about the same thing as i am [08:46] i'm going to take a more direct approach and try and just debug the problem [08:46] (add printf's to the kernel, etc) [08:47] figure out exactly why the kernel thinks that it's a cdrom === fabbione points desrt to git-biset again [08:47] heh :) [08:47] ok ok. [08:47] bisect even === zen-afk [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] what kernel was hoary? [08:51] 10, right? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] ughhh. non gcc-4-safe kernels [08:56] desrt: yeah 2.6.10 according to distrowatch [08:56] warty was 2.6.8.1 === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D4205.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt duct tapes BenC to the floor [09:28] heh === desrt annoyed that he gave away his last breezy ppc cd >:| === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] ok. it's a firewire bug. [10:08] the reason the drive wasn't working when i tried its USB interface was a stale dvdcss cache [10:08] desrt: ooh, you have a USB/firewire dvd/cdrom? [10:08] yes [10:09] desrt: do you want to be my bitch^Wfriend for life? :-) [10:09] or at least, test the live cd on it [10:09] does this involve testing? === carlos [n=carlos@198.Red-83-50-62.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] heh. [10:09] Mithrandir: I have a firewire CD-ROM enclosure I can send you.. [10:09] it's not firewire bootable [10:09] desrt: oh. :-( [10:09] i have firewire ala audigy 2 [10:09] Mithrandir: (works on any IDE hard disk <120GB as well) [10:09] not onboard [10:09] Treenaks: I just need to have it tested, and I think it's a one-off job, but thanks. [10:10] Treenaks: so if you could do that, I'd be very grateful. [10:10] Mithrandir: I have no drive to put in it :) [10:10] Treenaks: ah, ok. [10:10] then it's a tad harder. [10:10] :) [10:10] that is, there's no use in doing it now, since I know it's broken, but I think I have a fix. [10:10] but having fixes tested is a virtue. Or so I've heard. === Treenaks wonders when a Live CD that boots correctly on his Mac Mini will be released [10:11] Treenaks: get me a mac mini. :-P [10:11] what's wrong in the boot there ATM? [10:11] Mithrandir: not much really, it drops out of usplash very early and I get a GDM screen ('please log in' :) [10:12] I have a fix for that in bzr already. [10:12] it's my fault. :-) [10:12] (and it's a trivial fix) [10:12] then all I need is a fixed ati driver [10:13] I can't give you that. :-) [10:13] Mithrandir: nah, I need to poke daniels for that anyway -- it's still broken on my HP laptop [10:14] but I can get a fixed casper into the archive. Hopefully, Den will be able to verify that my fix actually fixes his problem and we'll have usb/firewire live cds working too. === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] c [10:25] crap... [10:26] ? [10:31] Mithrandir; an interesting thing to consider which i'm pretty sure is completely unsupported right now is the idea of having the ability to install ubuntu onto a harddrive on one sort of media and use it via another [10:32] Mithrandir; for example, install to an IDE harddrive and then remove that harddrive and install it in a firewire enclosure and boot off of that as if nothing changed [10:32] Mithrandir; won't work right now since the root device has changed from /dev/hda to /dev/sd[something] [10:33] even firewire in the presence of various different built-in scsi devices will fail since you'll move from /dev/sda to sdb (or whatever) === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] whoohhooo [10:38] there is a big memory leak somewhere === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] buy more ram ;-) === bag [n=bag@dslb-084-059-082-007.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:43] daq4th: ehehe [10:44] must be some gnome-lib from death [10:45] all gnome apps sucking over 300Mb [10:45] and stuff like that [10:46] seb's gonna love that one === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:46] and daniel [10:46] 13715 fabbione 15 0 100m 8780 6372 S 0.3 0.9 0:02.48 xmms [10:46] just to start :/ [10:48] nautilus is at 270M [10:48] fresh boot [10:48] lovely [10:49] fabbione: virt or real? [10:50] Treenaks: it's VIRT, but it doesn't take long to become real === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] after a few hours i have about 1.5G of swap in use [10:51] (with 1GB of real ram) === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] this smells more like a glibc issue === Oculus [n=oculus@p548D4205.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:02] too many random processes sucking too much ram [11:06] system becomes almost unuseable after 45 minutes [11:06] sparc? [11:07] I know I've been getting lots of libc errors about invalid free()s on app exits [11:07] (that's on i686, though) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@118.84-48-121.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-174-11.bas504.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jpatrick [n=patrick@95.Red-81-36-91.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === csj [i=csj@218-163-189-239.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:06] hello, I got ubuntu live-base iso from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/livecd-base/, and I customize it, I installed xorg, gnome,gdm,etc. and then burn it to test, but failed cause I dont have /dev/input/mice, which package should I install to auto produce the device file? === tashiro_ [n=stephan@213.54.146.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] crimsun: i am on amd64 k8 [12:10] crimsun: sparc seems fine [12:11] crimsun: but that's usually an app bug. [12:11] fabbione: wouldn't doubt it; it's irssi that's throwing it [12:12] crimsun: invalid free() means that irssi is attempting to free memory that's not allocated to it, or no more allocated to it (previously free'ed) [12:12] right [12:15] hmm foood === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel [n=Yann@alcyone.pleiades.fr.eu.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === csj [n=csj@218-170-248-11.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tashiro_ is now known as tashiro === herzi [n=herzi@d077168.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netstar [n=alastair@d220-238-119-232.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] Can anyone explain where ubuntu sets default file type, application associations (in nautilus), and then locks them so that a selected "elite" are unmovable? I'm tried editing .desktop MimeInfo and default.list but , however, am still having no luck. [01:07] netstar, it shouldn't do that [01:07] netstar, check the permissions on .local. And this is really a support question, and should thus be on #ubuntu [01:08] Burgundavia, I understand that, sorry, but was finding that the level of explanations were a little too high level. [01:08] I'll try elsewhere. [01:08] btw other users are having the same issues. === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === csj [n=csj@218-170-248-11.dynamic.hinet.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [""] === netstar [n=alastair@d220-238-119-232.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp83-33.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [n=lexhider@ppp83-33.lns2.mel3.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === martink [n=martin@p54B3A9CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@p54895C2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-238-10.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey_ki [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink_ [n=martin@p54B3A9CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable214.48-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === martink__ [n=martin@p54B3A9CB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin_ [n=irvin@203.213.194.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tuhl [n=tuhl@p5498CDEB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:16] the beagle search front edn crashes in upstream [03:16] beagle-query works [03:17] do you have and evolution address book [03:17] tseng: adressbook, jabber chat, rss feed, files, mails.... [03:17] erm [03:17] it was a yes or no question please [03:18] yes [03:18] I have [03:18] the crash is in evo-sharp, not beagle afaict [03:19] tseng: ok [03:20] so this appens when beagle search FE tries to access the evo data server [03:21] eh, it only happens if you have addresses [03:21] empty contacts list = no crash [03:23] tseng: is this bug already addressed by someone? [03:23] addressed, no [03:23] do i know about it? yes [03:23] bug filed? [03:23] yes [03:26] why are there no start/stop scipts for beagled? [03:26] because it runs as a user? [03:26] and there is a stop script [03:27] there should be a desktop integration in the control-center [03:27] patches accepted [03:29] tseng: There's the search and indexing thing which seems to appear under accessories - it looks like it should be other preferences [03:29] Uh, s/other/under/ [03:29] mjg59: it should actually be removed [03:29] its suse specific [03:29] tseng: Ah [03:29] it writes ~/.beagle-startup or some such [03:30] tseng: Well, that aspect of it. It also writes useful looking config files that beagle then fails to parse (throws an exception in the parsing code) [03:30] aha I see [03:30] one of these days i am going to say to hell with debian and bring back my old package [03:30] tseng: ? [03:31] tuhl: example, beagle wants to be removed in debian because it needlessly depends on dbus-1-utils which i pointed out was unnessicary months ago [03:31] patch included [03:32] tseng: did the debian maintainer not accept you advice? [03:32] sometimes he does, after some weeks [03:33] sometimes no reply [03:33] no fix [03:33] tseng: what is the current policy for ubuntu packaging in this cases? [03:33] i can obviously keep fixing it myself and merging forever [03:34] i *prefer* to do things properly in debian === stratus [n=stratus@200.97.70.229] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] raphink : I'm up for a round or two of Wesnoth sometime today [03:40] slomo_: FWIW the mcs crash always seems to be in System.String:Equals(); I have a backtrace if you need one [03:42] under System.Collections.Specialized.ListDictionary:FindEntry() [03:42] so I guess the contents of a ListDictionary are getting trashed somewhere? === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] slomo_: oh ... have any of your attempts to reproduce this been on a multiprocessor box? it smells of a thread-safety bug === Pygi [n=mario@83-131-243-113.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] mjg59: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324904 [03:53] mjg59: i think this is part of your problem [03:53] mjg59: (fixed in cvs) [03:54] tseng: Ah, yes === Kamion finds http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=77028 and goes to feed it a backtrace [03:57] Simira: whenever you want, let me know ;) [03:57] Simira: esp. now that wesnoth 1.1 is fixed :) === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-113-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HiddenWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.17.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-84-232.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] mjg59: i backported that, uploading now [04:42] tseng: Thanks! [04:43] mjg59: np [04:43] argh no im not [04:43] -S -sa [04:43] next time im in the same room with elmo he is going to kill me for unsigned orig.gz's === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub wrangles wordpress. [04:45] jdub: did you add my feed? [04:45] yeah, but we haven't switched to new planet yet [04:45] oh, i thought thats what all the css fussing was about [04:46] oh wow [04:46] Debug: Helper Size: VmRSS=108.3 MB, size=6.62, 140.4% [04:46] no, that was wuc switching stuff out from under everyone [04:46] Debug: Process too big, shutting down! === tseng watches his system swap in to the ground [04:51] jdub: i thought you were a blosxom guy, anyway [04:51] jdub, you said that you plan to came for FISL will you give a talk there? === ajmitch [n=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:53] raphink : I'll just check if I have Wesnoth installed [04:54] Simira: are you on dapper? [04:54] raphink : well, yes, but I use my Windows XP desktop for Wesnoth ;) [04:54] oh ok [04:54] :p [04:54] beah [04:58] tseng: i'm looking at / working on converting [04:59] stratus: i've entered an abstract, so i hope so! [05:01] hate to bother, but is there a way to ensure that the bug I filed has been recognized and will get worked on? [05:01] jdub, good. I'll probably talk about that CDD and with luck we will have a telecentre running there. === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B1676.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] hello [05:02] stratus: rock! [05:03] hi dholbach [05:03] jdub, yes :) [05:04] hellas Pygi [05:07] guess not === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hieronymus [n=jeroen@cp413115-a.tilbu1.nb.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stunami [n=stu@cpc2-cbly1-6-1-cust247.glfd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] desrt: fabbione has a spec on finding the root fs === psusi needs to figure out why mdadm is freaking out with his hardware in the initramfs and trying to access all kinds of sectors that are beyond the end of the disk === eruin [n=eruin@proxy-gw.uib.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:41] Mithrandir, btw... I don't know if you even looked at the malone bug I filed on e2fsprogs yet... but ignore the first upload... I don't know what I was thinking... I sent a new debdiff that is cleaner and actually built [05:41] Mithrandir, though for some reason some docs failed to build with texi2html, so I had to set the makefile to ignore that failure for the package to build... I know nothing about texi [05:42] psusi: yes, I've looked at it and forwarded the request to tytso, who is upstream and the Debian maintainer. [05:42] as I haven't been anywhere near a networked computer since I sent that mail until about five minutes ago, I don't know if I have received a response yet. [05:42] heh [05:43] I was up all night playing with my newly built amd64 defrag package ;) [05:43] I am leaning towards not having __u64 and __s64 in ext2_types.h at all. [05:43] it's a surprisingly well written program [05:43] but I'll want to hear what tytso says, it's his program, after all. [05:43] Mithrandir, that's what I thought... why duplicate what's in asm/types.h? [05:44] but at least I got it to define them the same way so the compiler doesn't bitch [05:44] I assume you just refered tytso to the bug and didn't actually send him the debdiff? [05:45] psusi: because __s64 / __u64 might not be part of POSIX or C89/C99. Yes, I referred him to the bug [05:45] Mithrandir, might not? they are not ;) === herzi [n=herzi@d093093.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:45] as far as I know [05:46] but asm/types.h I think is a more widely used header than ext2_types.h, so the latter should defer [05:46] psusi: why __s64/__u64 is needed at all I wonder about, though. Why can't he use uint64_t and int64_t? [05:47] what header defines those? [05:48] and there is code other than e2fsprogs that uses the __ ones... like defrag ;) [05:48] stdint.h :-) [05:48]