[12:35] <Pygi> welcome chara
[01:18] <MarioMeyer> heya chara
[04:26] <spike> 'afternoon
[04:30] <tarvid> hello
[04:31] <tarvid> i have a few servers up on hoary and breezy
[04:31] <tarvid> planning on more
[04:31] <tarvid> this looks more like a career than a project
[04:32] <spike> tarvid: hi there
[04:32] <tarvid> i'd like to put one "sandbox" on the cutting edge.
[04:32] <tarvid> hi spike
[04:32] <tarvid> but serviceable
[04:32] <tarvid> where should i get my files?
[04:33] <spike> tarvid: I've no idea what u're talking about, sorry
[04:34] <tarvid> there was a breezy "server" release a couple of months ago, does dapper include those efforts?
[04:37] <Pygi> well, there will  be a dapper "server" release if that's what you mean
[04:38] <spike> tarvid: which efforts?
[04:38] <tarvid> Pygi, i found a dead link to nightly dapper server builds
[04:38] <tarvid> spike, LDAP among others
[04:38] <Pygi> tarvid: well, not sure that there is a current server build
[04:38] <spike> LDAP what? if it'll be included in dapper?
[04:39] <infinity> tarvid: The "server" CD is just a different package selection from the regular CD.
[04:39] <tarvid> there are more than enough packages, the issue is how much work is required to get them to work together
[04:39] <infinity> tarvid: All the packages come from the same archive.
[04:40] <Pygi> infinity: and the dapper server will have tweaked kernel, won't it?
[04:40] <spike> Pygi: it will
[04:40] <infinity> Pygi: The dapper server CD will have the "server" kernels on it, yes, but those are also in the main archive.
[04:40] <Pygi> infinity: yup, I know...
[04:40] <infinity> So, you can just as easily use a "normal" CD, then switch kernels, or do a netinstall, or, or..
[04:40] <tarvid> so if I download dapper and say "server" at the install I get the "server" release?
[04:40] <tarvid> there was a separate iso section on the mirrors called ubuntu-server
[04:41] <infinity> tarvid: Basically.  "server" at the install prompt just means "install a very minimal system, and let me tweak it after"
[04:41] <infinity> tarvid: "ubuntu-server" has a different set of packages on the CD (not installed by default, just shipped), and a different default kernel (but you can install that after the fact, if you use a regular CD...)
[04:42] <infinity> Just install "linux-server" after you install dapper, if you want to check out the server kernel.
[04:42] <tarvid> ah! perhaps exactly what I am looking for.
[04:43] <tarvid> i run three ubuntu web servers, one (not ubuntu at the moment) mail server, one backup server, a staff server, ...
[04:44] <tarvid> a few of the staff members have sandbox servers
[04:44] <tarvid> we like to stay on top of ubuntu servers in some rational manner
[04:45] <tarvid> it is beginning to look like a career
[04:46] <tarvid> what does spike want to do?
[04:53] <tarvid> one of the tasks i am facing is a new mail server
[04:54] <tarvid> i pulled user shell accounts ages ago and a virtual server makes sense
[04:54] <tarvid> the sql setup for courier and postfix is close but not congruent
[04:54] <tarvid> i have several people who maintain mail accounts
[04:55] <tarvid> i'd like to have a consistent tool for them to add, archive, delete mail accounts
[04:55] <tarvid> i haven't found one that rolls up everything into a package
[07:01] <Xoritor> wow
[07:37] <Xoritor> anyone here run ubuntu with xen
[07:37] <Xoritor> i see a few mentions on the forums
[07:38] <spike> Xoritor: I do, self compiled
[07:38] <Xoritor> do you have to self compile it?
[07:39] <ubijtsa2> yes
[07:39] <spike> Xoritor: integration is a bit problematic because of ubuntu release cycle/policies and xen ones. in short their kernel patch release cycle is too slow and wont apply to latest kernel provided by ubuntu.
[07:39] <Xoritor> oh
[07:39] <Xoritor> bummer
[07:39] <spike> Xoritor: if u want something stable of course. dev tree has patches that applies to current, tho
[07:40] <Xoritor> hmm
[07:40] <ivoks> xen should enter linus's kernel :/
[07:40] <ubijtsa2> it will, in time
[07:40] <Xoritor> ivoks, i have not used it enough to say if that would be good or bad
[07:40] <Xoritor> ;-)
[07:40] <Xoritor> heh
[07:41] <spike> Xoritor: "it's the best thing since sliced bread"
[07:41] <spike> ehehe
[07:41] <spike> always made me laugh
[07:41] <ivoks> Xoritor: if you take a look on linus's kernel, you would see Xen is much more stable then most of that kernel :)
[07:41] <ubijtsa2> http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx/global/products/monitors/topics/en/monitor_3007wfp?c=us&l=en&s=gen  <- how's that for a monitor
[07:42] <ivoks> 30"?
[07:42] <spike> once they get guests running with no modifications on intel/amd hw virtualization, then things will get serious
[07:42] <ivoks> lol, that's a great TV for movies :)
[07:42] <ubijtsa2> 2560x1600 resolution...
[07:43] <spike> I tend to dislike 'em for quite a few reasons
[07:43] <ubijtsa2> some desktop that would be...
[07:43] <spike> 2-3x17-21 is a *much* better solution imho
[07:44] <ivoks> spike: i agree
[07:44] <maswan> ivoks: an lcd computer monitor is likely to suffer from the "no dark" problem
[07:44] <spike> it's easier to keep things organized with more screens running separated X, not xinerama
[07:44] <spike> it's easier to replace a faulty one and u wont kill urself if for some reason u break it by accident
[07:45] <ubijtsa2> if separate X displays, just run x2x
[07:45] <maswan> I prefer just one monitor really
[07:45] <maswan> And the higher the resolution the better
[07:45] <spike> ubijtsa: eh? why should I? and there's better than x2x, synergy
[07:45] <maswan> Of course, I don't want to spend that much money on a monitor. :)
[07:45] <spike> ubijtsa: works with windoze too
[07:45] <Xoritor> ivoks, i dont dispute that at all
[07:45] <ubijtsa2> I'd like two, in xinerama, with 1600x1200 on each
[07:46] <spike> anyway, x2x or whatever implies other boxes, here we were talking of monitors
[07:46] <spike> nvidia has got a relly well working mode for that, besides xinerama
[07:46] <ivoks> i would like one small 14 or 15"
[07:46] <ivoks> no wide screen
[07:47] <ivoks> my next laptop won't be widescreen :/
[07:47] <spike> 3 17 is my best setup
[07:47] <ivoks> and, it won't be dell :))
[07:47] <spike> god bless u man :)
[07:47] <spike> got an inspiron?
[07:47] <ivoks> yup 8600
[07:47] <spike> doh
[07:47] <spike> irc'ing from one of those crappy thingie
[07:47] <ivoks> there is more glue than plastic on this laptop :))
[07:48] <spike> anyway, back to work, talllk to u later
[07:48] <ivoks> bye