[12:25] <allee> JRe: forgot to mention: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119769
[12:26] <allee> JRe: Other things I noticed  user a on :0 and user b on :1  both get the dialog when usbstorage is plugged in.
[12:27] <allee> JRe: dialogs are not closed when other user selects an action and later when device is unpluged
[12:33] <JRe> allee: mmm ok
[12:33] <JRe> allee: thanks i didn't realized that also
[12:34] <JRe> allee: i'll try to manage that kind of configuration.
[12:35] <JRe> allee: BTW nice BR, it's well explained
[12:35] <allee> JRe: similar happens with one user too.  action selection dialog pops up, but one uses konqueror media:/ to mount the device --> dialog is not closed automaticly
[12:35] <allee> JRe: thx.
[12:36] <JRe> allee: in every cases, medianotifier will use Plasma in next KDE release
[12:36] <JRe> allee: so I think these kind of problem will be fixed
[12:36] <allee> JRe: I assume a media/mount event should close a dialog for media/unmounted of the same device
[12:36] <JRe> allee: yeah you're right
[12:37] <JRe> allee: that is a bug that really need to be fix
[12:37] <JRe> allee: moreover it shouldn't be hard to fix
[12:38] <allee> JRe: every pre kde 4 fix is good news ;)
[12:38] <JRe> allee: will try to fix it in next minor
[12:38] <JRe> allee: yeah sure
[12:39] <JRe> allee: yes i definitively need to fix this bug
[12:40] <JRe> allee: it's unlogic
[12:40] <JRe> allee: you can post a little BR about that also ?
[12:40] <JRe> (just in case I forget :) )
[12:41] <allee> JRe: yes, I'll write the BR
[12:41] <JRe> allee: many thanks!!!
[12:45] <Riddell> did we find out why cameras don't show in media:/ ?
[12:51] <allee> Riddell: for gphoto2 camera JRe guess is a mediamanager bug. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=119769
[12:52] <allee> Riddell: usbstorage cameras show up as media/removable_unmounted and not media/camera_unmounted, ervin guess is a bug in hal.
[12:58] <Riddell> hello strider 
[01:01] <strider> hi there
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: profiles are about finished
[01:27] <Tonio_> anyway I found the way to prevent the kio zip from launching....
[01:28] <Tonio_> only problem, it doesn't work within kubuntu-default-settings whereas the files are in /usr/share.....
[01:28] <Tonio_> I need to hack the 2 desktop files in /usr/share/mimelnk/application/
[01:29] <Tonio_> I tried to add them in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/mimelnk/application
[01:29] <Tonio_> but that doesn't work
[01:29] <Tonio_> the problem is that konqueror way to work is different for 7z or rar files than for tgz or zip.....
[01:30] <Tonio_> that's not "clean"...
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: what needs changed in them?
[01:33] <Tonio_> I simply commented that :
[01:34] <Tonio_> #[Property::X-KDE-LocalProtocol] 
[01:34] <Tonio_> #Type=QString
[01:34] <Tonio_> #Value=zip
[01:34] <Tonio_> that way the kio isn't used
[01:35] <Tonio_> what change ?
[01:35] <Tonio_> sorry I read badly...
[01:35] <Riddell> that's what I was asking for
[01:35] <Tonio_> okay ;)
[01:36] <Tonio_> I changed 2 files : x-zip.desktop and x-tar.desktop
[01:38] <JRe> bye everyone
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: that of course can be done via a patch..... but via kubuntu-default-settings should be better no ?
[01:38] <Tonio_> good night JRe 
[01:40] <Riddell> if you put it in kubuntu-default-settings you have to override the values not comment them out, else it'll fall back to the values in the file in /usr
[01:43] <Tonio_> ah ?
[01:43] <Tonio_> okay :=)
[01:43] <Tonio_> let's test
[01:44] <Tonio_> I did many little changes, like removing DOM options in the view menu (only usefull for super geeks or webdevs) etc...
[01:45] <Tonio_> so the files are merged the first doesn't override the other that's it ?
[01:47] <Riddell> yes, merged not overwritten
[01:48] <Riddell> well, the keys in one override the other, but if the more important file doesn't have a key it uses the one from the less important file
[01:51] <Tonio_> hum, so if I change  Value=zip to Value=
[01:51] <Tonio_> that might work
[01:51] <Riddell> it might
[01:51] <Tonio_> okay
[01:51] <Riddell> or it might break everything, I'm not really sure how those values work :)
[01:51] <Tonio_> rebuilding the package, reloading kde and let you know
[01:51] <Tonio_> we'll see :) 
[01:52] <Tonio_> If you don't see me coming back, second option might unfortunately be right ;)
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: works ;)
[02:00] <Riddell> groovy
[02:01] <Riddell> although I'm still not convinced either way on the kioslave vs embedded ark debate
[02:05] <Tonio_> actually ark isn't embedded
[02:05] <Tonio_> the default config is to use the "application" type config, wich is external use of ark
[02:06] <Tonio_> the problem is that it isn't, if you want something simple, to have the file manager reacting in a different way between the same kind of files....
[02:07] <Tonio_> if the kio would work for all compressed files, I would be fine with it
[02:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: seems to be finished, would you like to test ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> I have a dapper package done for kubuntu-default-settings
[02:18] <Riddell> I'd love to but I'm deep into xpdf blurg
[02:18] <Riddell> but put it somewhere I can download and I'll look into it probably tomorrow
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: no problem, there is no emergency ;) Raphink tried and appreciated it ;)
[03:06] <LaserJock> does kde have an equivilent to gnomefiles.com?
[03:07] <Riddell> LaserJock: kde-apps.org
[03:08] <LaserJock> doh, I've been on the dark side too long :-) 
[03:08] <LaserJock> I totally forgot about kde-apps
[03:09] <Riddell> if you're luck I might still be on the front page :)
[03:11] <LaserJock> where?
[03:12] <crimsun> kde-apps
[03:12] <LaserJock> right but where on there?
[03:12] <crimsun> ...the front page...
[03:12] <Riddell> probably not
[03:13] <Riddell> oh yes, last one
[03:13] <Riddell> KDE HAL Device Manager  KDE HAL Device Manager
[03:13] <LaserJock> ah, see it now
[03:19] <LaserJock> so if I install kubuntu-desktop from Ubuntu will it be any different than installing from a Kubuntu cd?
[03:21] <crimsun> yes, you'll have the gnome "cruft," too
[03:22] <LaserJock> lol, but the KDE part is the same? Are all the none-DE packages the same?
[03:22] <crimsun> yes
[03:23] <LaserJock> k, thanks
[03:26] <LaserJock> so I am going to try to go through the scientific section of kde-apps and see if there is anything we should have in dapper
[03:27] <crimsun> kmatlab, kfortranToPython, kWriteMyDissertationForMe are all candidates
[03:27] <LaserJock> crimsun: you mean on UniverseCandidates?
[03:27] <Riddell> I think he's joking :)
[03:27] <Riddell> LaserJock: cool, please do
[03:28] <Riddell> freeflying_: qt should be built with immodule now
[03:29] <freeflying_> Riddell: well . I'll try
[03:29] <LaserJock> well I think it is only fair since I went through gnomefiles and did the same thing and thanks to Riddel we got 2 packages into universe so far :-)
[03:35] <freeflying_> Riddell: it's all right now 
[03:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: woo!
[03:35] <Riddell> freeflying_: sorry that took so long
[03:36] <freeflying_> Riddell: shall it be backported to breezy
[03:37] <Riddell> seth: I uploaded klearlooks
[03:37] <seth> Riddell, I saw, thanks
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying_: no, it's too big a change for breezy
[03:37] <seth> Riddell, you sponsored it, yet katie sent me e-mail, how's that?
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying_: but you said someone had already done it
[03:37] <Riddell> klearlook_0.9.7-0ubuntu1_source.changes ACCEPTED
[03:38] <Riddell> just came though
[03:38] <Riddell> seth: I uploaded with my e-mail in the changelog
[03:38] <seth> Riddell, I know, then how did katie send *me* an e-mail too?
[03:38] <freeflying_> Riddell: a member of ubuntu-ja, but the release is low than it is in breezy now 
[03:39] <Riddell> seth: oh, strange
[03:39] <Riddell> seth: what did it say?
[03:39] <seth> same thing, just a normal katie ACCEPTED e-mail
[03:39] <Riddell> weird
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: ask him to build another one with an increased number I guess
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: what else needs done now for scim support?
[03:42] <freeflying_> Riddell: we want it be the defalut input method for CJK users
[03:42] <Riddell> freeflying_: is it working for you now?
[03:42] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportscim?highlight=%28scim%29
[03:43] <freeflying_> Riddell: sure , it works fine for all CJK users
[03:44] <Riddell> freeflying_: do you have a screenshot of skim working in kubuntu?
[03:45] <freeflying_> Riddell: just a moment , I'll show you 
[03:53] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/
[03:54] <freeflying_> Riddell: the file named with skim 
[03:57] <Riddell> freeflying_: excellent :)
[03:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/skim-trayicon.png  isn't that the scim icon not skim?
[03:58] <freeflying_> Riddell: it's skim ,not scim
[03:59] <Riddell> if you say so :)
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: sure , I just using skim under kde
[04:00] <Riddell> freeflying_: is there a main inclusion report for skim currently?
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: no , if need , I'll add it 
[04:00] <freeflying> Riddell: for scim is still in universe now 
[04:01] <Riddell> freeflying: yeah, please add one, then I'll talk to the main inclusion reviewer about getting the lot in main
[04:01] <freeflying> Riddell: right
[04:26] <freeflying> Riddell: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportskim
[04:27] <Riddell> freeflying: excellent, thanks
[04:28] <Riddell> I'll try and run that past some people tomorrow for comments
[07:07] <poningru> Riddell: drool at the cds
[07:07] <poningru> more like:
[08:30] <Tm_T> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=33542  <- good idea, but I have my doubts
[09:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: ping
[10:34] <freeflying> looking for reviewers for this http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1434
[10:52] <Tm_T> haha
[10:53] <Tm_T> dunno why but my eth0 was not set auto by default
[10:53] <Tm_T> breezy installer it is
[11:19] <Tonio_> Tm_T: I finished the konq profiles
[11:19] <Tonio_> if you wanna test
[11:19] <Tonio_> I can send you the deb file
[11:21] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ok
[11:25] <Tonio_> Tm_T: http://ns2708.ovh.net/temp/kubuntu-default-settings_6.04-5_all.deb
[11:26] <Tonio_> hum....
[11:26] <Tm_T> wget doesn't find it
[11:26] <Tonio_> yep
[11:27] <Tonio_> Tm_T: should be okay now... sorry
[11:28] <Tonio_> the interesting part is if you open a pdf or an image
[11:28] <Tm_T> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
[11:28] <Tonio_> and also, the menu structure is quite different 
[11:28] <Tonio_> hu ???????
[11:29] <Tonio_> http://planetemu.net/temp/kubuntu-default-settings_6.04-5_all.deb
[11:29] <Tonio_> hum.........
[11:30] <Tonio_> need to lok at that, ovh apparently changed something in my apache config.....
[11:30] <Tonio_> default website is badly configured...
[11:34] <Tonio_> Tm_T: did you get it ? both links are now working.... they removed a ServerAlias entry in apache config....
[11:35] <Tm_T> Tonio_: aye
[11:35] <Tm_T> Tonio_: can that thing wait a moment?
[11:36] <Tm_T> I'm fixing and forking shell server up
[11:44] <Tm_T> ok, now I test it
[11:57] <Tonio_> Tm_T: there is no emergency
[11:57] <Tonio_> ;)
[01:42] <Riddell> Tm_T: pong
[01:43] <theine> Hi, katapult stopped working after my last `rm -rf ~/.kde'. The katapult widget shows up if I hit <ALT-F2> but nothing happens if I start to type something...
[01:44] <theine> This is up-to-date Dapper btw
[01:44] <Riddell> theine: run katapult on a console
[01:44] <theine> Riddell, ok
[01:46] <theine> doesn't give me anything but a few `Ignored duplicate item: ...'
[01:46] <Riddell> theine: then alt+space will bring up katapult
[01:46] <Hobbsee> theine: same here
[01:46] <theine> Riddell, yes it does, but still the same problem
[01:47] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, katapult comes up, then you type something, and it just sits there, and does nothing
[01:47] <theine> Hobbsee, nice to know I'm not the only one...
[01:47] <Hobbsee> theine: i was going to write a note in here earlier, but was going to try refreshing kde first
[01:48] <freeflying> Riddell: ho
[01:48] <theine> Hobbsee, refreshing KDE won't help here I'm afraid
[01:48] <Hobbsee> yes, i'd suspected that
[01:48] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1436
[01:49] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1435
[01:52] <Riddell> hmm, I wonder why ttf-arphic-uming is a native package
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: the author just release a snapshot wich remove the dependant on xdelta
[01:54] <freeflying> Riddell: so it can be included in main 
[01:59] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1437
[02:01] <JRe> hi all
[02:01] <Riddell> lots to review! :)
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: where did you download the snapshot from?
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: the author upload them to apt.debian.org.tw
[02:06] <Riddell> freeflying: it's a stange version number "dot" etc, but if that's what upstream uses I guess that's fine
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: sure , upstreamer use them 
[02:07] <freeflying> Riddell: http://apt.debian.org.tw/pool/t/ttf-arphic-ukai/
[02:08] <Riddell> yep
[02:09] <theine> Are there plans to make the default Kubuntu konsole setup less hideous?
[02:12] <JRe> theine: what's bad with these settings ?
[02:14] <theine> tiny font, and I dispise white-on-black (although that's a personal preference of course...)
[02:14] <theine> but the font is really small
[02:15] <hunger> What really annoys me with kde is that the fontsizes vary depending on the driver used for the graphics card.
[02:15] <hunger> At least for me:-(
[02:18] <Riddell> it should be possible to get kdm to use a set DPI
[02:19] <Riddell> feel free to investigate, it can't be hard
[02:20] <theine> May I suggest to make the default "Fixed Width" font size a little bit larger (10 is barely readable on my display)?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: hi, I'm gona send you another source package.... still a few modifications
[02:22] <hunger> Riddell: I force the dpi setting in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc.
[02:22] <hunger> Riddell: Dunno whether I need to change that someplace else for kdm.
[02:33] <Riddell> freeflying: what do you mean by "Sync from dot"?
[02:33] <jjesse> allee: i got networking to work w/ qemu so i can now access the internet from my image file
[02:33] <freeflying> Riddell: I've coreect this .and reupload agai 
[02:35] <freeflying> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1438
[02:36] <jjesse> allee: i will be updating the wiki page and replying to my posts on the mailing list to take care of it
[02:48] <allee> jjesse: great!
[02:57] <jjesse> allee: i'll let the mailing list know when i document what i had to do on the wiki page
[03:27] <seth> katapult not working for me either
[03:27] <seth> and to force dpi settings, you can edit /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc and change to:
[03:27] <seth> ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi 100
[03:36] <Riddell> freeflying_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1435  a few small issues with scim-qtimm
[03:37] <freeflying_> Riddell: it will detect wether you've installed skim 
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying_: ttf-arphic-uming both Suggests and Conflicats on xdelta, shall I remove the Suggests?
[03:37] <Riddell> freeflying_: ok, ignore that then
[03:38] <Riddell> s/Conflicats/Conflicts/
[03:38] <freeflying_> Riddell: how about keep that suggests
[03:38] <Riddell> yep
[03:38] <Riddell> and remove the conflicts?
[03:39] <freeflying_> Riddell: I 'd keep it 
[03:39] <Riddell> but you can't both Suggest and Conflict something
[03:40] <Riddell> oh wait
[03:40] <Riddell> it conflics on a different version
[03:40] <Riddell> that's fine then, ignore me
[03:40] <freeflying_> Riddell: no ,remove conglict
[03:41] <Riddell> freeflying_: I'm splitting them into .orig and .diff, and changing COMPAT to 4 since 3 is out of date
[03:42] <Riddell> freeflying_: otherwise fine, shall I upload ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-arphic-ukai?
[03:42] <freeflying_> Riddell: sure ,thx
[03:42] <freeflying_> Riddell:  so great u  r
[03:43] <Riddell> well you're the one who knows what needs done here, I just do as you say :)
[03:45] <freeflying_> Riddell:  thx too much , ^_^
[04:02] <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like installer have some restrictions
[04:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: lowmem support is gone, can't install with 64MB straight away, needed to disable framebuffer
[04:25] <mornfall> who needs framebuffer
[04:26] <mornfall> :-)
[04:26] <Tm_T> nobody
[04:26] <Tm_T> but there was no lowmem option that I could see
[04:26] <Tm_T> AND 64M should be enough according to documents
[04:27] <Tm_T> I was advised to file a bug, I did
[04:27] <Tm_T> prolly not clear enough though
[05:07] <Riddell> Mez: poke http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22198
[06:37] <JRe> ok switching to dapper :)
[06:37] <seth> haha, probably not the best time, JRe 
[06:37] <JRe> seth: why ?
[06:38] <seth> daniels is starting his X breakage marathon
[06:38] <JRe> seth: so X will not be working for long ?
[06:38] <seth> he said he would start mid-January. X broke last night according to some people
[06:38] <seth> apparently the Jan 7th daily CD is good to upgrade to, but nothing later than that.
[06:38] <Tm_T> doesn't happened here though, might be the mirrors I use
[06:38] <seth> I just will not reboot for the next month :)
[06:39] <JRe> Someone know if X really broken now ?
[06:39] <JRe> seth: thanks for the tip, I will try the CD if it's really broken
[06:39] <seth> no worries, just didn't want you to experience the same breakage
[06:39] <seth> I can't tell you if it's broken for me or not b/c I'm afraid to reboot :)
[06:39] <seth> but I have been hearing some reports.
[06:40] <JRe> seth: sure I experienced a lot and I don't really appreciate :)
[06:40] <JRe> seth: where can I find the daily cd ?
[06:41] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu
[06:41] <Riddell> seth: go to a console and run X :1
[06:43] <seth> mm, true
[06:43] <jjesse> allee: i sent an email to kubuntu-devel on how i got networking working w/ qemu
[06:43] <seth> still working here then, JRe :)
[06:44] <JRe> seth: you have updated ?
[06:44] <seth> yes, I'm fully up-to-date as of about 10 minutes ago
[06:44] <JRe> seth: but you have not rebooted
[06:44] <seth> no, but I did run a new copy of X
[06:44] <JRe> seth: okay dan it worked fine ?
[06:44] <seth> yes it did
[06:45] <JRe> seth: ok i quicly update and pray :)
[06:45] <JRe> seth: thanks!
[08:18] <Mez> Riddell: ping
[08:19] <JRe> yes dapper mission compete :)
[08:33] <Verwilst> heyheyhey!
[08:33] <Verwilst> Riddell: hellow
[08:33] <Verwilst> you've made your appy with pyqt eh?
[08:40] <Verwilst> c++, php, python, ... :$
[08:40] <Verwilst> ( with Qt that is )
[08:42] <JRe> Verwilst: if you want maximum KDE tools compatibility, use C++
[08:42] <JRe> Verwilst: otherwise use Python
[08:42] <Verwilst> i don't really need kde tools compat
[08:43] <Verwilst> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/ <- pyqt project of mine from 3 years ago :d
[08:43] <Verwilst> oh
[08:43] <Verwilst> http://lokipoki.sourceforge.net/
[08:43] <Verwilst> :)
[08:54] <Tonio_> re
[08:57] <JRe> re
[09:00] <Riddell> hi Verwilst 
[09:01] <Riddell> hi Mez 
[09:01] <Mez> Riddell - a couple of things
[09:01] <Mez> one I'd rather talk in private about
[09:01] <Mez> and - er the other
[09:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I send you the latest version of kubuntu-default-settings for late testing ?
[09:01] <Mez> I cant remember what it is
[09:01] <Mez> ah yes
[09:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[09:02] <Mez> the other - thnking of getting katapult included in KDE - whats the best way to go about it
[09:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did ome final changes on tabs management and fonts to have something very close to firefox and opera in the default way to work...
[09:03] <Riddell> Mez: don't know if it's the best time to include things in KDE, it being all ported to KDE 4 just now
[09:03] <Mez> ah yes
[09:03] <Mez> and Riddell  check /query
[09:04] <Riddell> Mez: it could go in extragear, in which case ask helio
[09:04] <Riddell> or it could go in kdeutils or something, in which case it would need to be ported to KDE 4 and not released for a year
[09:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: mail sent
[10:00] <Riddell> Tonio_: what tab options did you modify in kubuntu-default-settings?
[10:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: IconText=IconOnly why specify that?
[10:02] <Tonio_> let me check for tabs ;)
[10:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: is k3b-i18n meant to work?
[10:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: MediumFontSize=10  isn't that quite small?
[10:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: nope
[10:03] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes and no, what's wrong with it?
[10:03] <Tonio_> concerning IconText=IconOnly, it is just the default action, that can be removed.... It is to just display icons without text...
[10:03] <Tonio_> bad copy paste mabe...
[10:03] <Tm_T> Riddell: k3b-i18n: Depends: k3b (= 0.12.10-1) but 0.12.10-0ubuntu3 is to be installed
[10:03] <Tonio_> concerning tabs, I removed the option to open new tabs in background....
[10:03] <Riddell> hmm, right
[10:04] <Tonio_> no browser is doing like that be default....
[10:04] <Tm_T> Tonio_: thank you about kubuntu-default settings package, now I lost my own font =)
[10:04] <Tm_T> Tonio_: though I think it's somewhere safe
[10:04] <Tonio_> Tm_T: how did you do ? ;)
[10:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, I think it wasn't set by default, I activated the "back to previous used tab while closing a tab"
[10:05] <Tonio_> same that in firefox by default.... Many users are just don't using konq on kde because they don't want spending time configuring it...
[10:05] <Riddell> sounds very confusing, tabs will be jumping around
[10:05] <Tm_T> Tonio_: just installed, now that font appears as dejavu verasans :p
[10:06] <Tm_T> Tonio_: might be just confused KDE
[10:06] <Tonio_> hum..............
[10:06] <Tonio_> firefox does that by default...
[10:06] <Tonio_> goes back to the previous used tab when you close one
[10:06] <Tonio_> also, opera does that too
[10:06] <Tonio_> but anyway, you decide ;)
[10:07] <Tm_T> Tonio_: ah yes, re-checked settings and it's back, so just KDE
[10:07] <Tonio_> what got me nuts is a strange bug with the newline option....
[10:07] <Tonio_> Tm_T: cool ;)
[10:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: firefox opens new tabs in the background
[10:07] <Riddell> with a middle click
[10:07] <Tonio_> hu ?
[10:07] <Tonio_> yep but with a normal click on a _blank link
[10:07] <Tonio_> no background....
[10:08] <Tonio_> it does foreground except with using the middle click, I agree ith on that point ;)
[10:08] <Riddell> closing a tab in firefox goes to the tab on the right, not the previously used one
[10:08] <Tonio_> hum.......
[10:09] <Tonio_> let me check...... I was sure to have a default config firle.
[10:09] <Tonio_> anyway Riddell remove this, I don't mind ;)
[10:09] <Tonio_> that not a very important feature
[10:09] <Tm_T> Tonio_: though now it doesn't work everywhere
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: TabCloseActivatePrevious=true -> to ve removed in konquerorrc
[10:10] <Tonio_> Tm_T: did you removed konqurror config files in your profile ?
[10:11] <Tonio_> to start using default ?
[10:11] <Tm_T> not yet
[10:11] <Tonio_> that might be the reason.... depending what you have in your profile....
[10:11] <Tm_T> huuh
[10:12] <Tonio_> Tm_T: did you do a killall konqueror ?
[10:12] <Tonio_> konq is keeping a session in memory, even if closed....
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the menus reoganizing, are you fine with it ?
[10:14] <Tm_T> Tonio_: well, now problem is that my font doesn't work in windo title
[10:14] <Tonio_> hu ? there is absolutly no parameter that concerns fonts in what I modified....
[10:15] <Tm_T> aye
[10:15] <Tm_T> might be other updates
[10:15] <Tonio_> that the tricky part
[10:15] <Tm_T> dapperdapperdapperdapper
[10:15] <Tonio_> ah that's possible.... dunno, I still use breezy
[10:17] <Riddell> theine: when did you notice katapult becoming a problem?
[10:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: one minute..
[10:18] <theine> Riddell, 2 days ago if I remember correctly
[10:18] <theine> Riddell, it stopped working after I purged my KDE configuration
[10:19] <Tm_T> ...because now in that key combination is something else?
[10:19] <Tm_T> like here was
[10:19] <Riddell> theine: it's stopped working for me too, so something spooky is going on 
[10:19] <Riddell> Tonio_: why Reload and Stop in view?
[10:20] <theine> By the way, apart from not working right now, katapult is awesome I have to say
[10:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: because it is like that in IE, firefox....
[10:21] <Tonio_> doesn't sound loging, but because users don't like the chang... hehe
[10:21] <Tonio_> and because it is like that in the konq default profile too
[10:22] <Tonio_> s/logig/logic
[10:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: firefox doesn't have reload and stop, only back and forwards
[10:22] <Riddell> and home
[10:22] <Tonio_> hu ?
[10:23] <Tonio_> in "view" ?
[10:23] <Riddell> oh, so it does
[10:23] <Riddell> hmm, I'm not convinced
[10:23] <Tonio_> yep ;)
[10:24] <Tonio_> I think about all file managers have "reload" in their "view" menu
[10:24] <Tonio_> same for browsers....
[10:28] <Riddell> Duplicate Window, does anyone use that?
[10:28] <Tonio_> hum, Riddell do you have that in the menus ?
[10:28] <Tonio_> I don't....
[10:29] <Riddell> you added it
[10:29] <Riddell>     <Action name="newtab" />
[10:29] <Riddell> +   <Action name="duplicate_window" />
[10:29] <Riddell>     <Action name="open_location" />
[10:29] <Tonio_> which file ?
[10:30] <Tonio_> ho, it is just because I restarted with the full kde profile...
[10:30] <Tonio_> it might be in an hidden toolbar no ?
[10:31] <Riddell> it's in your konq-kubuntu.rc
[10:31] <Tonio_> yep, in the "file" menu....
[10:31] <Tonio_> that's just because I restarted with the orig.rc file....
[10:31] <Riddell> +   <Action name="editMimeType" />, I wonder if people who want to edit mime type settings also all know how to right click
[10:32] <Tonio_> I forgot to remove that....
[10:32] <sealne> Riddell: i use duplicate window/tab
[10:33] <Riddell> sealne: whatever for?
[10:33] <Riddell> hmm, bookmarks as a sub-menu, I don't like that but then you can't add things to the bookmarks menu, what a pain
[10:33] <sealne> after browsing awhile into a site i'll duplicate the tab go back to the original and then i can go back
[10:33] <Tonio_> sealne: I personnaly do with a right click on a tab... I agree Riddell that having that in the "file" menu isn't necessary
[10:34] <sealne> ah yeah i use right click, sorry missed that
[10:35] <Tonio_> and concerning editMimeType, same reason, that should be removed.... I should have gone wioth your rc file, but anyway, it is easier removing stuff that adding it ;)
[10:35] <sealne> Riddell: do you have any kubuntu cds?  it would be nice for my forensics class to get "profesional" looking cds to use
[10:36] <Riddell> sealne: yeah, how many do you want
[10:37] <Riddell> sealne: I can send you a box of 80 then you can use it for forensics and scotlug?
[10:37] <Riddell> configurespellcheck can go, that can be configured in systemsettings
[10:37] <sealne> there are only 4 students but i'm sure i could give out a lot more
[10:38] <Riddell> sealne: e-mail the postal address to jriddell@ubuntu.com
[10:38] <sealne> Riddell: Kenny Duffus, Computer & information Sciences, University of Strathclyde, Glasgow G1 1XH
[10:38] <Riddell> or IRC :)
[10:38] <sealne> not like its a secret
[10:38] <sealne> google dosen't hide things very well
[10:38] <Riddell> All the configure menu items in konqueror are evil, there should be configure web browsing and configure filemanager and that's it
[10:39] <Tm_T> true
[10:39] <Tm_T> now it's bit messy
[10:39] <sealne> one thing i miss is i'm sure i used to be able to increase font size when a text webpage is viewed
[10:40] <Tm_T> ctrl++ or -
[10:40] <Tonio_> hum.... I agree, but would you remove the shortcut config options ?
[10:40] <sealne> Tm_T: that only works with html stuff
[10:40] <Tonio_> the dictionnary ?
[10:40] <Tm_T> sealne: ah
[10:40] <Tonio_> it is very usefull....
[10:42] <Verwilst> i miss the split window buttons :p
[10:42] <Tonio_> Verwilst: they are back with that config
[10:43] <Riddell> Verwilst: we're adding them back
[10:43] <Verwilst> coolness :d
[10:45] <Riddell> sealne: on the embedded kate text editor part?
[10:45] <sealne> yeah
[10:45] <Riddell> kate only seems to have that in the toolbars not the menus so it's missing from konqueror
[10:45] <Riddell> shouldn't be too hard to put it in the menu though
[10:46] <sealne> i'm pretty sure debian had it somewhere
[10:47] <Riddell> might be a KDE 3.5 hting
[10:47] <Riddell> thing
[10:49] <Riddell> <DefineGroup name="zoom_operations" />  bah, kate uses some weird thing for zoom buttons
[10:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the profiles in configuration, I'm not pleased to see the 6 files there....
[10:49] <Tonio_> anyway, do you think the possibility to create profiles should be removed ?
[10:50] <Tonio_> I know many personns that are creating sftp or ftp profiles
[10:51] <Tonio_> I didn't found a way to prevent other profiles from displaying.... mabe patching the concerned package would be better.....
[10:52] <sealne> yeah or it could have just been old kde
[10:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't understand
[10:52] <Tonio_> hum
[10:52] <Tonio_> in your profile, You removed the loading and managing profiles options....
[10:52] <Riddell> yes
[10:53] <Tonio_> that's nice but forbids the creation of personnal profiles
[10:53] <Tonio_> which can be usefull for ftp for example
[10:53] <Riddell> a feature I've never found a need for
[10:53] <Riddell> but some people seem to use it
[10:53] <Tm_T> aye
[10:53] <Tonio_> well.... creating an ftp profile :)
[10:53] <Tm_T> no
[10:53] <Riddell> bookmarks?
[10:53] <Tonio_> Am I the only personns that uses this ?
[10:53] <Tm_T> plase no hiding functions
[10:54] <Tm_T> +e
[10:54] <Tonio_> Riddell:  ? whare are they you mean ?
[10:54] <Riddell> what would be in an ftp profile?
[10:54] <Tm_T> anyway, good night, school tomorrow ->
[10:54] <Tonio_> a profile with a tab splitted in two...
[10:54] <Riddell> right
[10:55] <Riddell> and what do you mean "prevent other profiles from displaying"?
[10:55] <Tonio_> tab on the left displaying local, and tab on the right displaying the ftp ;)
[10:55] <Tonio_> ho
[10:55] <Tonio_> It would be nice if there was a possibility to only display kubuntu web and kubuntu filemanagmeent in the profile list....
[10:55] <Tonio_> not all the other profiles that do all the same thing...
[10:56] <Tonio_> but I didn't found a way to hide them....
[10:56] <Tonio_> blaking all their value only results in a blank line, but the line is still there
[10:56] <Tonio_> s/blaking/blanking
[10:56] <Tonio_> so maybe they could just no install with the package containing them....
[10:58] <Tonio_> konqueror package in fact ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> that way we could keep the creating profiles fonctions with something clean in the menus, no ?
[11:27] <Tonio_> allee: so I'm not the only one ;)
[11:39] <Riddell> allee: what's in that?
[11:40] <allee> Riddel: huge icons, I usually use detailed list view
[11:42] <Tonio_> sleeping time
[11:42] <Tonio_> hi allee, Riddell 
[11:43] <allee> Riddell: I also started profile local/(local|ftp|sftp) profile but never finished it.  Neverhteless I miss it. 
[11:43] <allee> Tonio_: hi or bye ;)
[11:43] <allee> Tonio_: nite
[11:43] <Tonio_> ho... bye.... (sounds I'm very tired....)
[11:44] <allee> Tonio_: GO TO BED!  we need a fresh Tonio_ tomorrow ;)
[11:44] <Tonio_> I didn't sleep from yesterday morning....
[11:44] <Tonio_> that's the reason my english is so crappy actually ;)
[11:44] <Tonio_> anyway, byebye :)
[11:45] <allee> :)
[11:46] <Riddell> do we know Carlos Blanquer cblanquer?
[11:48] <Riddell> I should set up a kubuntu-users launchpad group for all these people who are joining
[11:50] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-users  sign up!
[11:51] <Riddell> extra points for whoever makes an emblem