[12:35] <damnhil> what apt-get package has "xmllint"? I need it for ubuntu-doc/validate.sh to run
[02:20] <Madpilot> damnhil: libxml2-utils -- Synaptic's search function is useful for this sort of question
[02:21] <Madpilot> damnhil: are you also "Hil" on email?
[03:14] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: do you know why a lot (if not all) the Debian documentation is GPL?
[03:15] <Burgundavia> LaserJock, yes, I understand the issue. We had extensive talks about it at Mataro
[03:15] <Burgundavia> we decided even though our stuff is DFSG-non-free, we would stick with those licenses
[03:15] <jsgotangco> issue?
[03:16] <LaserJock> our stuff isn't DFSG-non-free?
[03:16] <LaserJock> or I mean DFSG-free
[03:16] <Burgundavia> GFDL and cc-by-sa 2.0 are DFSG-nonfree
[03:17] <LaserJock> I am really starting to dislike licensing. I thought that GFDL was the doc equivilent of GPL
[03:18] <Burgundavia> yes, licensing sucks
[03:18] <Burgundavia> it is, it just has some nasty bits
[05:05] <bhuvan> doc.ubuntu.com is down ?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> seems so
[05:08] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[05:08] <jsgotangco> that's the virtual server
[05:08] <bhuvan> ok
[05:08] <jsgotangco> let me look it up if i can find my account
[05:08] <bhuvan> great
[05:09] <bhuvan> i guess, help.ubuntu.com is down as well ?
[05:10] <jsgotangco> i believe they reside on the same server (not sure)
[05:11] <bhuvan> oh ok
[06:05] <damnhil> Madpilot: yes
[06:35] <Madpilot> just noticed that you've signed up for the wiki now - good
[06:43] <jsgotangco> i saw changes
[06:43] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:44] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[06:44] <Madpilot> was just looking at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NoSuchFileOrDirectory - nice page but the name sucks
[06:44] <jsgotangco> ohhh
[06:44] <Madpilot> how about SearchFilesHowto?
[06:46] <jsgotangco> wonder if some docs link to that file though
[06:47] <Madpilot> I'll create the new page and redirect, rather than just rename
[06:47] <Madpilot> the whole page is only a few days old
[06:59] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, just nuke it
[07:01] <Madpilot> renamed to FindingFilesHowto...
[07:01] <Burgundavia> excellent
[07:06] <jsgotangco> great \sh is being eaten alive in debian-devel list
[07:06] <Madpilot> ouch... someone want to tackle this mess? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/windowsusersettings
[07:07] <Burgundavia> he is arguing that LP is a good thing, even if non-free
[07:07] <Burgundavia> he is doomed
[07:07] <jsgotangco> yeah
[07:08] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, you want to email the author of that page?
[07:08] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Overcast
[07:14] <damnhil> I am building kubuntu/adeptguide by typing make adept. I did not get index.html but index.docbook. I converted the docbook file using docbook2html. Am I doing it right?
[07:25] <bhuvan> damnhil, i suggest you to try 'make adept-html' or 'make adept-web'
[07:26] <Burgundavia> hmm, if you search for "linux desktop", you get no Ubuntu love
[07:26] <Burgundavia> that needs to change
[07:27] <jsgotangco> google spam
[07:29] <Burgundavia> blogging about it now
[07:29] <bshumate> gnu/linux desktop has fun results ;-)
[07:29] <bshumate> (heyas all)
[07:30] <bhuvan> i'm about to instruct Burgundavia to do that :)
[07:32] <Burgundavia> bshumate, hmm
[07:33] <damnhil> bhuvan: It is working! is Troy Williams here?
[07:33] <jsgotangco> Troy Williams hasn't come here for quite a while im afraid
[07:37] <damnhil> jsgotangco: How can I get my name added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects ?
[07:39] <jsgotangco> where are the changes you made?
[07:39] <bshumate> bhuvan: was the validation error the <command></command> inside the <tip></tip> or something else?
[07:40] <bshumate> oh, i see it in the commits list now.  thanks!
[07:41] <bhuvan> it was due to couple of minor reasons: 1) yep, inside tip. 2) you have used para within para tag for one or two listitem entries
[07:41] <damnhil>  jsgotangco : not yet but I will
[07:42] <bshumate> bhuvan: what do you use to edit? i am still looking for an editor that does real-time validation of the xml
[07:42] <bhuvan> hum, i use vim. it does not doe real-time validation, i afraid !
[07:42] <bhuvan> s/doe/do/
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you on planet yet? Blog about your favourite linux desktop, dammit
[07:43] <bshumate> bhuvan: ahh...how do you catch the minor errors then? eyeball? i tried it in yelp and it loaded without complaining, so that's why i didn't catch it.
[07:43] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, obviously you haven't been reading planet
[07:43] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I don't read it, no ;)
[07:44] <bhuvan> bshumate, you can run ubuntu-doc/validate.sh your_file.xml. it does the rest
[07:45] <bshumate> ahh cool, thanks!
[07:45] <damnhil> jsgotangco: Is anyone doing adept guide development?
[07:45] <jsgotangco> nope
[07:45] <damnhil> jsgotangco: Can anyone give me some doc work to do?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, Kubuntu
[07:46] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, well i know that, i'm not sure though if its a kubuntu-exclusive thing
[07:46] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, there have been at least 3 attempts at a synaptic style gui for kde
[07:47] <jsgotangco> adept is good but i don't find it intuitive
[07:48] <Burgundavia> no, but it is the only gui with full support for debtags
[07:48] <bshumate> heh heh heh...the curse of rms! j/k ;-)
[07:49] <Burgundavia> ok, I think I have posted to enough places (sounder, forums and blogged about it)
[07:49] <damnhil> jsgotangco: do you need exim4 for developing ubuntu-doc?
[07:49] <jsgotangco> in planet corey?
[07:50] <jsgotangco> nope
[07:50] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, I have been slightly easier on blogging recently
[07:50] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, it would be nice if we had a google pack for ubuntu
[07:51] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, big packs are actually quite useless, to be honest
[07:51] <jsgotangco> its still good marketing
[07:51] <Burgundavia> because they usually contain too much and too little at the same time
[07:51] <jsgotangco> you know better
[07:51] <damnhil> jsgotangco, the subversion-tools depends on exim4-base. Why is that?
[07:51] <jsgotangco> damnhil, you don't need subversion-tools
[07:51] <bshumate> jsgotangco: assuming i wanted to, what to do to become more official as an Ubuntu Member and such?  i've got a WikiPage, LaunchPad page, signed the CoC, contributed a goodly handful of things over the last few months, and so on.  what else do i need to do at this point, besides start bribing people? ;-)
[07:51] <jsgotangco> just subversion really
[07:52] <jsgotangco> bshumate, CommunityCouncilAgenda
[07:52] <damnhil> jsgotangco, what doc are you maintaining?
[07:52] <Burgundavia> holy crap, we are not within the frist 200 hits of "linux desktop"
[07:53] <jsgotangco> damnhil, kubuntu docs mostly and currently doing g-a-i
[07:53] <bhuvan> jsgotangco, i suggest you to approve bshumate as ubuntu-doc member in lp
[07:53] <jsgotangco> hrmm
[07:53] <jsgotangco> bhuvan, i haven't checked the queue
[07:53] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia has approval rights as well btw :P
[07:54] <damnhil> jsgotangco: what's g-a-i?
[07:54] <bhuvan> ok :)
[07:54] <Madpilot> damnhil: gnome-app-install
[07:54] <Burgundavia> alright, I will do it
[07:54] <bshumate> we still on for freaky friday, the 13th?
[07:54] <bhuvan> atlast bshumate have bribed me :)
[07:54] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, shall I approve kevin cole too?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> i don't see bshumate 
[07:55] <damnhil> Do you have any doc that require someone to write?
[07:55] <jsgotangco> damnhil, when you checked out svn, every doc there is pretty much open for contributions
[07:55] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, +1
[07:55] <jsgotangco> heh
[07:56] <Madpilot> damnhil: if you want to mess with the wiki, there's an entire category of stuff that needs work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup
[07:56] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, approved
[07:56] <bshumate> jsgotangco: on CommunityCouncilAgenda now... ;-)
[07:57] <jsgotangco> should we remove mako
[07:57] <jsgotangco> hehe
[07:57] <jsgotangco> joke
[07:58] <damnhil> I found something missing in adept guide. Do you know any program in apt-get that gives you a configuration screen?
[07:58] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, mako is about to become far more involved
[07:58] <jsgotangco> it was a joke
[07:59] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, can you change topic on this channel?
[08:00] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, you should be able to as well
[08:01] <jsgotangco> oh
[08:02] <Burgundavia> afaik, there is nobody who is here regularly who has ops
[08:04] <jsgotangco> well you're the oldest docguy here i figured you had access
[08:05] <bhuvan> bshumate, you should add yourself in launchpad ubuntu-doc queue to let Burgundavia/jsgotangco approve
[08:06] <Burgundavia> robitaille, bon soir
[08:07] <robitaille> hi Burgundavia 
[08:09] <jsgotangco> mr. fridge calendar!
[08:10] <bshumate> bhuvan: where is this? i am not finding it.
[08:11] <Burgundavia> bshumate, welcome to LP
[08:11] <jsgotangco> hahaha
[08:11] <jsgotangco> LP is the future!!!
[08:11] <jsgotangco> but future is not now
[08:11] <bshumate> hahaha
[08:11] <bhuvan> bshumate, go to launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-doc and click 'join this team'
[08:11] <bshumate> computer store here locally, used to have a sign out front "The Future of Tomorrow is Today!"
[08:13] <bshumate> alrighty...clicked join the team...no type of confirmation that my action had any consequence, but i'll put my faith in the future! ;-)
[08:14] <Burgundavia> bshumate, you want to report a bug on that
[08:14] <Burgundavia> the no-confirmation thing
[08:14] <damnhil> do you think reconfigure is a word or re-configure?
[08:14] <Burgundavia> damnhil, first, in NA english
[08:14] <bshumate> Burgundavia: should i dare click it again? ;-)
[08:15] <Burgundavia> bshumate, nah, your there
[08:15] <Burgundavia> and now you are approved
[08:15] <bshumate> Aha! I clicked it again, and *then* it informed me that I am a "propsed member" nice!
[08:15] <jsgotangco> welcome to your doom
[08:15] <bshumate> thanks! ;-)
[08:16] <jsgotangco> make sure you're awake at 14UTC on friday
[08:16] <bhuvan> :)
[08:16] <Madpilot> oh Dog, 14UTC again? Another 0600 meeting... :P
[08:17] <jsgotangco> would 15UTC be better?
[08:17] <bhuvan> bshumate, fyi, you should correct your wiki link. s/Brianshumate/BrianShumate/
[08:17] <Burgundavia> bshumate, bingo. Ubuntu/Canonical/Fieldwave is a little python mad
[08:18] <bshumate> bhuvan: I created it as BrianShumate, and that is how it appears in some places, but it also shows as Brianshumate when I log in (?!)
[08:19] <bhuvan> bshumate, i guess you can go to 'Edit Wiki Names' and correct it
[08:19] <bshumate> aha! thanks!
[08:19] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  and I'm about to put the meeting on the fridge
[08:19] <robitaille> is it just me, but it seems the css of planet.u.c seems to be screwed up
[08:20] <Burgundavia> robitaille, known bug, due to w.u.c change
[08:20] <Madpilot> jsgotangco: actually 14UTC is OK, it seems to work for most people and I do have to work that morning by 0900
[08:20] <bshumate> bhuvan: ok, corrected that.  where exactly were you spotting it as Brianshumate ?
[08:21] <bhuvan> bshumate, it was in your lp home page. now, it's corrected
[08:22] <damnhil> I just added a paragraph in adeptguide. Do I send it to the ubuntu-doc mailing list and the maintainer?
[08:24] <damnhil> which is correct: "proceed to install the next package" or "proceed to the next package installtion"?
[08:30] <Madpilot> damnhil: create a patch and send it to the list
[08:30] <Madpilot> and how about just saying "install the next package"?
[08:37] <damnhil> Madpilot: Can I attach the diff file in the email to the ubuntu-doc mailing list?
[08:39] <Madpilot> yes
[10:14] <jsgotangco> yeah yeah yeah!
[10:14] <jsgotangco> our process as well
[10:15] <mdke> mm?
[10:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, what do you mean?
[10:26] <jsgotangco> well some of those pages are extremely outdated
[10:27] <mdke> oh fuck!
[10:28] <mdke> auth server goes down, /me loses all work
[10:40] <mdke> yeah that's a good idea. I didn't even try to save mine, just "preview"
[10:41] <jsgotangco> i use desktop moin too
[10:42] <mdke> i use desktop moin, for my work/personal stuff, but not for working on the Ubuntu wiki
[10:42] <mdke> external editor might be an idea
[10:43] <mdke> i used to use one on zwiki
[10:43] <mdke> because it integrated relatively smoothly
[10:43] <mdke> Kinnison, is there a way of integrating an external editor with the moin wiki, do you know?
[10:44] <Kinnison> mdke: there are various things people have written, personally I just cut&paste from the textarea into emacs and back when I'm done
[10:45] <mdke> i'll get into that habit
[10:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, do you agree with the idea of using DocumentationTeam/subpage as a format?
[10:51] <jsgotangco> sure
[10:52] <jsgotangco> at least it'll clean up the namespace of sorts
[10:52] <mdke> yes, although there will have to be some redirects at first
[10:57] <Burgundavia> the LP guys need to seperate their auth engine from LP itself
[10:57] <Burgundavia> so LP just becomes another client of the auth engine. Then they might actually be interested in not breaking the auth engine
[10:57] <mdke> it seems they are working on that
[10:59] <Burgundavia> mdke, if the next Ubuntu conf is in Europe, will you be able to make it?
[11:00] <mdke> unlikely I'll be able to get off work, but it depends
[11:01] <Burgundavia> what exactly do you do?
[11:01] <mdke> Burgundavia, i'm a trainee lawyer
[11:01] <Burgundavia> what area of law?
[11:02] <mdke> commercial law
[11:02] <Kinnison> Burgundavia: we *are* interested in not breaking the authserver
[11:02] <Burgundavia> Kinnison, yes I knew that. <troll>You have worse uptime that PHP-based Wikipedia</troll>
[11:03] <Burgundavia> mdke, are you talking contract law or inter-corp. disputes?
[11:03] <mdke> Burgundavia, inter-corporation disputes involving contracts
[11:04] <Burgundavia> I have to say, having dealt with the CEO and founder of Userful on Friday, I am glad that he works in Calgary and I in Victoria
[11:05] <Madpilot> Burgundavia: you butting heads with your boss again? :P
[11:05] <Burgundavia> Madpilot, no, he is just very very hard to actually have a conversation with
[11:06] <jsgotangco> wow so it was a failure
[11:19] <mdke> is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickGuide ok for deletion?
[11:20] <Burgundavia> mdke, go nuts
[11:20] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, a failure?
[11:21] <jsgotangco> your chat with your ceo?
[11:21] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, we danced around. I need someone to ask for the patches
[11:22] <Burgundavia> my company fails to understand the linux community
[11:23] <Burgundavia> anyway, I really have to sleep. It is 2am here
[11:23] <jsgotangco> night
[11:58] <Madpilot> wow, the things that are lurking in the corners of the wiki, huh? :P
[12:03] <mdke> yeah
[12:03] <mdke> btw I'm being quite aggressive with deleting things, feel free to let me know if I go a bit too far
[12:03] <mdke> we can put in some more redirects, if necessary
[12:06] <segfault> morning
[12:08] <bhuvan_> mdke, why did you remove DocteamKubuntu ?
[12:09] <mdke> bhuvan_, i gave a reason when I deleted the page
[12:09] <mdke> your proposal has been implemented
[12:10] <bhuvan_> ok. but, dont we maintain it for archive reasons ?
[12:11] <mdke> i don't see a reason to, you?
[12:11] <bhuvan_> imo, it might be useful for a new comer just in case he wish to view the history behind the implementation
[12:11] <bhuvan_> this is applicable for any wiki page which we may delete 
[12:11] <Madpilot> bhuvan_: deleting the page doesn't actually remove the history
[12:12] <mdke> it is worth documenting meinproc
[12:12] <mdke> but i don't think that is the same thing as keeping old proposals which have been implemented
[12:13] <bhuvan_> imo, wiki is meant for knowledge base. so, we should retain it hence new comers/contributors may be benefitted
[12:13] <mdke> old proposals are no use as a knowledge base. Newcomers and contributors need clear, obvious explanations
[12:13] <bhuvan_> ok
[12:14] <mdke> that's what I think anyhow
[12:14] <mdke> we definitely need to add an explanation of meinproc to DocumentationTeam/BuildingDocumentation
[12:14] <bhuvan_> i just dont mean this document. but, be considerate before deleting developer/contributor related documents
[12:15] <bhuvan_> in this context, yep, explanation of meinproc is mandatory
[12:16] <mdke> i'll try to be considerate, yes
[12:16] <bhuvan_> ok :)
[12:27] <mdke> oh blimey
[12:27] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamPasoAPasol10n
[12:27] <mdke> someone has translated our translation tools page
[12:28] <Madpilot> this is a good thing, or not?
[12:29] <mdke> not, i can't see a reason to do that
[12:30] <Madpilot> given that translators should already speak reasonable English
[12:30] <mdke> yes
[12:30] <mdke> translators don't need to know our tools tho
[12:31] <mdke> they just need to go to rosetta
[01:10] <bhuvan> mdke, i guess i found an issue in breezy->ubuntu-docs package
[01:10] <mdke> bhuvan, shoot
[01:11] <bhuvan> the package don't contain the sample dir of all documents
[01:11] <mdke> ah right
[01:11] <bhuvan> for example, generic/faqguide doesn't contain sample dir. so, obviously the sampe file url breaks
[01:11] <mdke> i think that is in bugzilla, it's fixed for dapper
[01:12] <bhuvan> ok
[01:12] <bhuvan> but, ubuntu/Makefile has an entry to copy sample/* for each document
[01:12] <bhuvan> not sure whether it was added after the release ?
[01:13] <mdke> in branches/breezy?
[01:14] <bhuvan> yep
[01:16] <mdke> hmm, perhaps it went to the wrong place
[01:16] <bhuvan> ?
[01:17] <mdke> the wrong directory or something
[01:19] <bhuvan> but 'cd /usr/share/ubuntu-docs; find . | grep sample' returns nothing :)
[01:19] <bhuvan> in this context, are we providing updates for breezy ?
[01:20] <bhuvan> if yes, shall i check and address it for breezy
[01:20] <bhuvan> if no, we can double check for dapper
[01:21] <mdke> the updates for breezy are a bit dodgy at the moment. I prepared one, but it hasn't been uploaded yet due to some problems
[01:21] <mdke> possibly, we can do another one later, fixing that issue
[01:21] <mdke> if you figure it out, mail the solution to the list so that we have it archived
[01:24] <bhuvan> ok
[03:04] <jjesse> shoot i forgot how apply a diff to the document for the adept guide
[03:06] <mdke> patch -p0 < whatever.diff
[03:06] <mdke> if you've got them in the same dir
[03:06] <jjesse> mdke: thanks :)
[03:53] <jsgotangco> hey Belutz 
[03:53] <Belutz> hey jsgotangco 
[03:53] <Belutz> so you're coming to jakarta?
[03:54] <jsgotangco> Belutz, hrmmmmm...am been busy lately :/
[03:54] <jsgotangco> i could stay for a day...but that's still a big hrmmm...
[03:54] <Belutz> i see
[03:55] <jsgotangco> are you back in jakarta?
[03:56] <Belutz> yup
[03:56] <Belutz> since 28th of december
[03:56] <jsgotangco> mdke, awesome wiki editing. thanks
[03:57] <jsgotangco> how's the weather there? It's been cold here lately
[03:59] <Belutz> it's still hot, but cold when its raining
[04:01] <mdke> jsgotangco, thanks, np
[04:02] <Belutz> jsgotangco, you know where you're going to stay yet?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> Belutz, not really that would be easy though if its just one day
[04:03] <jsgotangco> you'll know :)
[04:04] <Belutz> hehehe
[04:05] <Belutz> jsgotangco, so who else will be coming to jakarta?
[04:05] <jsgotangco> Belutz, oh its mostly canonical staff (its business oriented)
[04:05] <jsgotangco> i just wanted to go to jakarta
[04:05] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:05] <Belutz> hahaha
[04:06] <Belutz> you bring your wife and daughter?
[04:06] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:06] <jsgotangco> probably stay for a weekend
[04:06] <Belutz> great
[04:06] <jsgotangco> we're going to talk about it this weekend
[04:07] <Belutz> hmm i hope i could skip office at feb 1st
[04:07] <jsgotangco> tiger air has this nice package
[04:07] <Belutz> i see, shop till you drop in jakarta :D
[04:08] <jsgotangco> i wanted to take time out with the family...i couldn't book a decent flight to hongkong disneyland :/
[04:09] <Belutz> that's great to have time with family :)
[04:10] <Belutz> maybe you could visit Taman Mini Indonesia Indah (Mini Park of Indonesia)
[04:10] <jsgotangco> how much is $1USD right now?
[04:11] <Belutz> wait let me check
[04:11] <Belutz> hmm it's about Rp.9650
[04:13] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:13] <jsgotangco> what would that get?
[04:13] <Belutz> what do you have in mind? :D
[04:14] <Belutz> with that you can almost have 3 cans of coca cola for $1USD
[04:16] <jsgotangco> wow its like korea then
[04:16] <jsgotangco> hehe
[04:16] <jsgotangco> so its possible for me to have a million in my wallet
[04:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:17] <Belutz> yup :D
[04:17] <Belutz> just be careful with your money
[04:18] <Belutz> and if you can, don't buy things from sellers on the streets, they might give you higher price
[04:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, oh, one thing I didn't have the stomach to move was the old Meetings stuff, it will be worth doing that at some stage I guess
[04:31] <jsgotangco> oh that's a pretty deep hole we're looking on those stuff
[04:37] <mdke> there are about 10 pages I guess
[04:37] <mdke> not too bad
[04:38] <mdke> we should do a DocumentationTeam/Meeting page, then have Agenda and past meetings as subpages of that, I guess
[04:52] <shirish> hi all
[04:55] <mdke> hi shirish 
[04:57] <shirish> hi mdke looking if somebody can clean up this doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptMoveHowto as it doesn't give full info.
[04:58] <mdke> shirish, anyone is free to alter docs on the wiki, you can login and edit it
[04:59] <shirish> I have been trying things out & somethings have not been mentioned as to what the output should come, so would like to know how the actual operation takes place before changing stuff. Stuck at place.
[05:00] <mdke> ah, well it is in our cleanup category, hopefully if someone knows something about apt-move, they will improve it
[05:01] <shirish> I have been trying to know if somebody knows something about how to do things in apt-move but till now 0 results. Any ideas?
[05:02] <mdke> you could try "man apt-move" and see if there is any better information
[05:02] <mdke> or post to the mailing list, ask in #ubuntu, etc
[05:04] <shirish> I'm there in #ubuntu, which mailing list should I ask stuff on?
[05:05] <mdke> ubuntu-users
[05:05] <shirish> thanx will do the same.
[05:06] <mdke> shirish, np, if you find anything, be sure to add it to the page :)
[06:18] <jsgotangco> good night
[11:09] <LaserJock> hi theCore 
[11:09] <theCore> hi LaserJock 
[11:10] <theCore> i am currently working on the guide
[11:11] <LaserJock> great, I just got a package into Universe and working on some MOTU Science stuff at the moment but maybe a little later you could send me what you have
[11:12] <theCore> ok
[11:14] <LaserJock> theCore: what section are you working on
[11:15] <theCore> i'm finishing my draft of debhelper, then I'm going to start the w/o helper section
[11:16] <LaserJock> I was going to work on the w/o helper section too but I haven't really done much there
[11:18] <theCore> i was thinking to convert the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/2005-12-10 page for this section
[11:18] <theCore> it's quite complete
[11:19] <theCore> it cover most of the topic 
[11:20] <LaserJock> right, I also have a transcript (I think) of a motu-school session (unoffical) I had with somebody before that one
[11:21] <LaserJock> I think I even used hello for that one
[11:25] <theCore> yea, I got it
[11:25] <LaserJock> from where?
[11:26] <theCore> 19:32:14  <LaserJock> selinium: have you seen the Debian New Maintainer's Guide?19:32:34  <selinium> LaserJock, Ok, I have just realised, i have rebuilt my machine since I installed Pbuilder. I will need to install that again!
[11:26] <theCore> 19:33:28  <LaserJock> selinium: well, you don't even need to do that first
[11:26] <theCore> 19:34:22  <selinium> ok
[11:26] <theCore> 19:34:50  <selinium> LaserJock, I am all yours!
[11:26] <theCore> ;)
[11:26] <LaserJock> yeah, that's it. I just found my copy
[11:31] <theCore> my draft is too slim
[11:32] <LaserJock> that's ok we can fill it out as we go
[11:35] <theCore> did you commited my files ?
[11:38] <LaserJock> no, I don't have commit access yet (mdke made a request for me last week) but I was waiting until we have enought to replace what is currently at doc.ubuntu.com
[11:45] <theCore> ah ok, good idea
[11:51] <Burgwork> revert? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomatedProblemReports?action=diff