[08:24] <GheRivero> hi people!
[11:40] <spike> 'morning
[11:41] <fabbione> hey spike
[12:12] <GheRivero> 'morning
[12:13] <fabbione> hi
[12:16] <segfault> will dapper aim some easy integration of openldap+samba+heimdal? or just for dapper+1?
[12:18] <fabbione> dapper+1.. there isn't enough time to do it for dapper
[12:19] <fabbione> but
[12:19] <fabbione> it would be possible if some people from the community would take the task
[12:21] <segfault> i'd like to, i have some experience with samba+openldap
[12:21] <segfault> integrating heimdal wouldn't be so difficult
[12:22] <segfault> i mean, at least for keeping the passwords in sync
[12:22] <fabbione> segfault: well what are you waiting for to start? ;)
[12:23] <GheRivero> an easy way to deploy and manage with LDAP will be ok
[12:24] <fabbione> do you have patches?
[12:24] <segfault> i haven't started yet, but i'll begin and update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkAuthentication
[12:26] <fabbione> there isn't much time left...
[12:26] <fabbione> another month or so and feature freeze will be there
[12:26] <GheRivero> i've being looking into authconfig and is not difficult to make it work with debian pam (between others)
[12:27] <GheRivero> ah! any plan finally for NFSv4 + kerberos?
[12:28] <fabbione> did you read the specs?
[12:29] <GheRivero> not all of then :)
[12:30] <GheRivero> and launchpad is offline at the moment
[12:31] <segfault> is anyone taking care of authconfig?
[12:32] <GheRivero> i have a ITP open on debian
[12:32] <GheRivero> but the people from REdhat change the code form C to python in the last version
[12:32] <GheRivero> so i have to review it  again :/
[12:33] <segfault> nice, since its in python now it'll be more easy to modify it
[12:34] <GheRivero> yeah :)
[12:46] <segfault> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=302235
[12:46] <segfault> no one is working on it
[12:47] <segfault> so i have my chance
[12:47] <segfault> :-)
[12:48] <GheRivero> feel free to do it :)
[01:25] <fabbione> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerExtApps
[01:25] <fabbione> ^^ everybody add your stuff
[01:25] <fabbione> and no, we don't care about the new nVidia here
[01:28] <GheRivero> since there is not a "real" backup solution for linux, what about try to include the agents of Veritas, CA... backup solutions?
[01:28] <fabbione> are you allowed to redistribute them?
[01:29] <GheRivero> i should look at the license for redistribution ... but they are freely downloable
[01:29] <fabbione> free download != redistributable
[01:34] <ubijtsa> how about mondo-rescue or amanda
[01:38] <tepsipakki> I'll ask Bakbone if NetVault is distributable..
[01:39] <tepsipakki> we are using it, pity though that they dropped support for debian but they are working on Ubuntu-support afaik
[01:40] <fabbione> tepsipakki: in that case talk directly with mdy
[01:41] <tepsipakki> is he doing the same?
[01:42] <fabbione> tepsipakki: no, but he is the one in charge to talk with $company for stuff like that
[01:42] <fabbione> if you know they are working on Ubuntu support, they might as well get an official contact
[01:42] <tepsipakki> oh, cool. I've just asked the local support about stuff like that, not any "higher" ;)
[01:43] <fabbione> well remember that contact doesn't mean it will go anywhere
[01:43] <fabbione> it's just the first step :)
[01:45] <tepsipakki> so far he
[01:45] <tepsipakki> 's replied
[01:45] <tepsipakki> but yeah
[01:45] <fabbione> yeah mdy is a nice guy
[01:45] <fabbione> don't torture him :)
[01:45] <tepsipakki> :)
[01:59] <GheRivero> is there any other certification in the way, apart of DB2?
[02:00] <tepsipakki> even if there were, I'm afraid they can
[02:00] <tepsipakki> 't be published yet
[02:00] <tepsipakki> (damn enter)
[02:09] <segfault> would be nice to have adaptec storage manager shipped
[02:11] <fabbione> are you adding to the wiki page?
[02:11] <fabbione> otherwise nobody is going to work on it
[02:11] <segfault> not yet, i'm trying to see its license
[02:12] <fabbione> segfault: just add it
[02:12] <fabbione> add all of them
[02:12] <segfault> okay
[02:12] <fabbione> we will ask other people to evaluate licences
[02:13] <segfault> The authentication database is temporarily unavailable.
[02:13] <segfault> damn.
[02:13] <fabbione> oh crap yeah
[02:13] <fabbione> they are upgrading launchpad
[02:14] <fabbione> it should be back in not too long from now i hope
[02:14] <fabbione> they are switching DB
[02:14] <segfault> sure, np
[02:26] <tepsipakki> "DatabaseException: A server error occurred." :)
[02:27] <tepsipakki> but it is coming up, aye
[02:57] <spike> for FLOSS backup solutions I'd suggest bacula
[02:58] <spike> simpler than amanda, as effective and reliable as that
[02:58] <spike> and mondo-rescue imho is crappy, it's a c wrapper for bash scripts, cant think of anything nastier...
[02:58] <spike> actually I can, but let's drop that argument :)
[02:58] <ubijtsa> hehehe
[02:59] <spike> if u want bootable images, systemimager works better imho
[03:03] <ubijtsa> as long as the live CD has bacula/amanda or whatever installed and can read the tapes...
[03:04] <Valandil> tapes....
[03:04] <Valandil> hi all :)
[03:04] <spike> hey Valandil
[03:05] <Valandil> fabbione: sorry for leaving yesterday so silently - I have some trouble in here, last dasy...
[03:05] <Valandil> days
[03:05] <Valandil> hi spike :)
[03:05] <Valandil> for Backup I use tar, and mt / mtx for tapechanger
[03:06] <Valandil> but a little proggie would be pretty useful, I think: a compare-tool for tape-devices
[03:06] <Valandil> I've written one, but it's quick and dirty till now
[03:07] <Valandil> it writes some test-stuff with one drive and tries to read it with the other one, then it calculates md5sums
[03:08] <Valandil> is useful, if You want to keep one virginal taedrive or emergency-restore if Yout changer dies
[03:08] <Valandil> so from time to time one can compare the drives (and the headposition)
[03:09] <spike> how does that prove there're no errors in the backup u just stored?
[03:10] <Valandil> oh, sorry, I'm talking bout two points: my backup-progs and a proposal for an additional proggie for the disc ;)
[03:11] <Valandil> I think, a comparte-program would be useful on the disc, but mine is quick and dirty, perhaps one knows a ready one
[03:12] <Valandil> and I wouldn't put amanda as default, because its like shooting sparrows with a cannon
[03:13] <Valandil> so, I'd propose a set of small tools for backup, like mt, mtx, tar (ok, it's already in ;-) ) and some tools for checksumming
[03:14] <ubijtsa> dump/restore perhaps?
[03:14] <Valandil> then put a config-package on it, where You can tell the system, which directories to backup - tha't it
[03:14] <Valandil> ubijtsa: yes, somethig like that
[03:14] <ubijtsa> ok, they may be ext{2,3} only, but tried and tested and they work :)
[03:14] <spike> nothing against consolidate tools, but you might have noticed we just got into 2006 ;)
[03:15] <spike> consolidated*
[03:15] <Valandil> I like to keep it small, simple (?, could be philosophical) and easy to review
[03:15] <spike> that's unix philosophy and it's of course good
[03:16] <Valandil> spike: You're right, but I would provide theese tools ... perhaps alternatively
[03:18] <Valandil> I think, we should not make a concept, which is only addressed at newcomers. We will (hope so) also have some Admins who set up their first linux-server on redhat 1.2 or something ;)
[03:19] <Valandil> these people _will_ have unix-philosophy
[03:20] <Valandil> but they might like a good package-management and quick vulnerability-respose, so they might try ubutu ;)
[03:22] <spike> Valandil: I had a machine running slack 3.0, does that qualify me as an Admin (even the uppercase A, wow) with unix-philosophy? :)
[03:24] <spike> Valandil: the whole deal about automation and unix-philosophy is tricky. most of the debian admins would consider themselves Admins, yet debian has got a thick layer of scripts to ease the job
[03:24] <spike> and honestly, I dont see how such layer would diverge from the u-p
[03:25] <spike> the point is to make such layer transparent enough
[03:48] <Valandil> spike: the uppercase is because I'm german and I always forget the 'lowercase-rules' in English ;-)
[03:49] <Valandil> with the word 'admin' I meant more or less skilled people, perhaps professionals, so if You where able to run a slack - You should fit in this definition ;-)
[03:52] <Valandil> spike: if You ask me - I'm greatful for every script I understand and I don't need to write by myself, so I like the debian-scripts
[03:54] <Valandil> spike: and could You please explain this row: 'and honestly, I dont see how such layer would diverge from the u-p' ? I cannot figure out what You mean :-(  my English is not that good, I fear :-(
[03:58] <spike> Valandil: neither is mine, and I have not fears about that, just certainties :) so might be mine the faulty one. anyway. I meant I do not see how the scripting layer, like the debian one, is against the u-p. with scripting layer I mean all those scripts that ease ur job
[04:00] <spike> Valandil: if u say u'd want dump/restore in because old-fashon admins would love it, I'd assume u'd not want scripts easing the interaction with such tools, because how would that differ from, say, rdiff-backup, which is just a wrapper to an old-fashioned and well established tool like rdiff
[04:00] <spike> ?
[04:01] <spike> Valandil: so, my whole point was the idea of old-fashioned tools u proposed as an attractive point for Admins, is broken by design imho
[04:02] <spike> Valandil: as I already said, all the automation, the scripts and the stuff on this wolrd should be welcomed by any real admin as long as it's transparent enough and what it does is easing the job and not hiding the details
[04:03] <Valandil> spike: OK, yes, now I agree to You nearly full
[04:04] <Valandil> All I'd love to have is the option at install-procedure to leave all these tools where they are: on the cd ;-)
[04:05] <Valandil> I loved woody and I hate sage because of exactly these facts: You cannot deny the installation of some background-proggies, which are nearly not eraseable afterwoods
[04:06] <Valandil> -o
[04:07] <Valandil> transparency is obligatoric (correct word?), but 'slimness' at installation-moment would be nice
[04:07] <Valandil> you get what I mean?
[04:08] <spike> Valandil: what irc client are u using? I kinda cheat and use "dictionary" plugin with irssi, that's useful to complete those freaking words :)
[04:08] <spike> obligatory
[04:09] <Valandil> I use xchat but it's a good idea ;-)
[04:09] <Valandil> thx
[04:10] <Valandil> I just only could remember the german and the french variant, so I tried to construct the english one ;-)
[04:50] <GheRivero> res people
[07:39] <_torkel> What work have been done on the centralized ssl database? :/