[12:04] <mhz> pitux: congratulations!
[12:04] <pitux> yes windoze recognized
[12:05] <mhz> hehhehe
[12:06] <pitux> the system file i think is ntfs
[12:07] <mhz> hmmm, no idea :)
[12:07] <mhz> This is the 1st time I am glad I have no idea about something :D
[12:09] <pitux> ok 
[12:09] <pitux> thanks 
[12:27] <mhz_BackIn2hrs> JaneW: happy new year!
[03:02] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[07:12] <JaneW> hi mhz. Thanks and to you and yours too!
[07:12] <mhz> JaneW: LOL!
[07:13] <mhz> a bit late but thx
[07:15] <JaneW> hope it's a good one
[07:17] <mhz> JaneW: we'll see
[07:17] <mhz> I hope your kids are healthy enough
[07:18] <JaneW> mine are very well atm
[07:18] <mhz> one can't work at same speed
[07:18] <JaneW> thyey are still on holiday thogough
[07:18] <mhz> will we see eachother on Wed?
[07:18] <JaneW> yes
[07:19] <mhz> all Chilean kids are off school until March
[07:19] <JaneW> march!?
[07:19] <mhz> JaneW: yup
[07:19] <mhz> from December until March
[07:19] <mhz> :D
[07:19] <JaneW> wow
[07:20] <mhz> indeed
[07:20] <mhz> big wow!
[07:20] <JaneW> they get a month here
[07:20] <JaneW> university students get 2 months
[07:21] <mhz> JaneW: I almost forget... 2 and 1/2 pages for Edubuntu in a Magazine article written by me and being delivered to 350 schools now
[07:21] <JaneW> excellent!
[07:21] <JaneW> do you havce an electronic version?
[07:21] <JaneW> s/v
[07:21] <mhz> JaneW: nope but I am trying to get a scanner to wiki it
[07:21] <JaneW> put it in the edubuntu in the press section!
[07:21] <JaneW> cool, thanks :)
[07:21] <mhz> at least the article
[07:22] <JaneW> else take a photo of each page at least...
[07:22] <mhz> JaneW: yeah, I can do that
[07:25] <mhz> JaneW: next week I'll have lots of info I need to start Edbuntu Tour in Chile this year. We'd love to have Ubuntu and Edubuntu on same 'scenario'. And I was wondering if there's any big chance we can count with Edubuntu/Ubuntu people to visit us (and Colombia and Brazil, maybe)
[07:26] <mhz> This week I am designing a draft of Edubuntu Training courses (20 hrs each) for Teachers
[07:26] <mhz> and in the Tour, we'll be using these courses too
[07:27] <mhz> but having the prescence of Canonical hired people would be just perfect to show this is not only a kind LoCo team effort but something bigger and more motivating so others can join too
[07:35] <JaneW> mhz: Unfortunately I can't commit atm, but I do belive in your cause...
[07:36] <mhz> hehehe
[07:36] <mhz> okis
[07:36] <JaneW> I think the best thing to do to get noticed by Canonical and get more 'official' involvement is to
[07:36] <JaneW> keep documenting everything you do and keep copies of all the successes and press mentions etc
[07:36] <mhz> okis, I can do that
[07:37] <JaneW> the more noise and activity happeneing there, the more chance of there being a decision to go there...
[07:37] <mhz> thx for the honesty
[07:37] <JaneW> I know Mark was thinking of doing an Ubuntu Summit somewhere in South America in the next year or so.
[07:38] <JaneW> We could very possibly influence that to be Chile, if we can show that you have an active and organised community there.
[07:38] <mhz> well, i'll see what i can do
[07:38] <JaneW> and South America seems to have taken to the FOSS idea very strongly, from what I can telll
[07:38] <mhz> and start making lots of noise
[07:38] <mhz> indeed
[07:39] <JaneW> so the market is strong and willing there
[07:39] <mhz> Colombia, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, etc
[07:39] <JaneW> and is being helped by the fact that it's being legislated by governments such as that of Brazil etc
[07:39] <mhz> yup
[07:40] <mhz> BUT actually, companies and some schools dont belive in Tecnocimiento because we're more like a community
[07:40] <mhz> of volunteers only
[07:40] <mhz> so, it's very likely
[07:40] <mhz> we'll start some processes to become NGO
[07:41] <mhz> and maybe get some money and support
[07:41] <mhz> (last 3 months were a disaster in terms of income)
[08:45] <JaneW> mhz: understood
[08:49] <jsgotangco> JaneW, Fishnet stockings!
[08:49] <JaneW> jsgotangco: blush!!
[08:52] <Burgundavia> JaneW, do teel
[08:52] <Burgundavia> tell, even
[08:52] <JaneW> nevar! :P
[08:57] <jsgotangco> JaneW, I shall await when the circus comes to town
[09:14] <JaneW> jsgotangco: the circus has come and gone I am afraid ;)
[09:14] <jsgotangco> gahhh
[09:16] <JaneW> Burgundavia: oi!
[09:17] <Burgundavia> ;)
[09:18] <guim> http://www.claroline.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4756
[09:18] <guim> oups sorry guys
[09:18] <guim> wrong channel :-) ...
[09:18] <johnjohn> is edubuntu written in spanish?
[09:19] <johnjohn> or available in?
[09:19] <johnjohn> i gave a cd to a lady today who is flying to san miguel
[09:19] <johnjohn> hoping she would pass it on to someone at the bibliotech
[09:20] <Burgundavia> johnjohn, yes, and there is a very active spanish community
[09:24] <JaneW> johnjohn: speak to mhz, he runs the edubuntu Chile community.
[09:27] <jsgotangco> JaneW, fishnet stockings and pirate knife throwers ahrrrr blimey
[09:28] <JaneW> jsgotangco: did you see the tea bags?
[09:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[11:05] <spacey_ki> morning
[12:15] <juliux> ogra_ibook, the rangee thinclient are here
[12:26] <ogra_ibook> cool !
[12:30] <juliux> later i will upload same pictures
[12:36] <juliux> ogra_ibook, do you know how to get into bios from thinclients?
[12:37] <ogra_ibook> nope
[12:37] <juliux> hm i think i will call rangee
[12:37] <juliux> because on the clients is little linux
[12:38] <juliux> but no boot menu
[12:39] <juliux> shit i have to go to uni
[02:31] <spacey_ki> ogra, hey
[02:32] <spacey_ki> correct that ldm still gives a problem in dapper 
[02:32] <spacey_ki> did an upgrade from breezy to dapper and still had to apt-get -f install
[02:32] <spacey_ki> ?
[02:33] <spacey_ki> still got problems them ldm doesn't want to log in btw. BRB, i'll copy the logs from the thinclient
[02:46] <spacey> nfs timing out is also still common
[02:46] <spacey> at least the bootchart works again
[03:47] <mhz> ogra: hi, ping
[03:48] <ogra_ibook> hey mhz 
[03:49] <mhz> ogra: i wont be able to get to CC today :(
[03:50] <ogra_ibook> its in 10 mins ..
[03:50] <mhz> jsgotangco and Yagisan already know
[03:50] <ogra_ibook> oki
[03:50] <mhz> yup
[03:50] <mhz> i'll hurry my butt up as much as possible to get back ASAP
[03:50] <mhz> bytes
[03:52] <ogra_ibook> bye
[03:54] <jsgotangco> ogra_ibook, hi, you've been loving ppc lately =)
[03:54] <ogra_ibook> yes, multiarch support and ppc install/live testing were necessary :)
[04:50] <mhz> ogra_ibook: so what happened to Madpilot? is he in?
[04:52] <ogra_ibook> yup
[04:53] <mhz> duh! I never saw that part
[05:05] <AngryAngryHippos> hey, anyone around?
[05:05] <mhz> yup
[05:06] <AngryAngryHippos> know anything about thin client?
[05:07] <AngryAngryHippos> Im wondering if it's possible to set up a tuxlab-style thin client system using regular ubuntu
[05:07] <mhz> Edubuntu does that
[05:08] <mhz> and even Edubuntu CookBook is based on TuxLab Cookbook
[05:08] <mhz> working very close
[05:09] <AngryAngryHippos> yeah Im wondering if it's possible to set up the same system in regular ubuntu
[05:09] <AngryAngryHippos> is it just a matter of installing the right packages?
[05:09] <AngryAngryHippos> or is there something fundamentally missing
[05:09] <mhz> be more specific please?
[05:09] <AngryAngryHippos> I've been having a lot of trouble with it
[05:09] <AngryAngryHippos> ok one sec, let me pull up my stuff
[05:10] <mhz> edubuntu-server will install LTSP (modified and improved) and the environment 99% ready to just start booting clients, while edubuntu-desktop will provide apps and Look&Feel
[05:10] <mhz> AngryAngryHippos: and the best tip I can give is read InstallNotes
[05:10] <AngryAngryHippos> ok
[05:10] <AngryAngryHippos> wheres that
[05:10] <mhz> just go throught the steps
[05:11] <mhz> and only set you network (if needed) and thats it
[05:11] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes
[05:11] <ogra_ibook> (or /topic ;) )
[05:11] <AngryAngryHippos> this will work in plain ubuntu?
[05:12] <AngryAngryHippos> I was on the ubuntu forums thin client howto and I had a ton of problems... lol dont even want to start listing them
[05:12] <ogra_ibook> the wiki ThinClientHowto should be fine
[05:13] <spacey_ki> hey ogra 
[05:13] <ogra_ibook> hi
[05:13] <spacey_ki> read my previous messages?
[05:13] <AngryAngryHippos> anyway thx mhz, I'll try that out
[05:13] <ogra_ibook> spacey_ki, ldm ? 
[05:13] <mhz> AngryAngryHippos: okis, good luck
[05:14] <ogra_ibook> AngryAngryHippos, the InstallNotes are rather for a plain edubuntu install 
[05:14] <ogra_ibook> AngryAngryHippos, try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[05:15] <ogra_ibook> thats for a normal ubuntu
[05:15] <spacey_ki> ogra, yeah
[05:15] <spacey_ki> and got something wierd atm
[05:15] <ogra_ibook> spacey_ki, i didnt fix it yet
[05:15] <spacey_ki> can't login with the thin clients
[05:15] <spacey_ki> ok
[05:16] <spacey_ki> i'll paste the message
[05:16] <ogra_ibook> did you run ltsp-update-sshkeys ? 
[05:17] <spacey_ki> Connection to 192.168.1.4 closed by remote host.
[05:17] <spacey_ki> debug1: Transferred: stdin 0, stdout 0, stderr 50 bytes in 0.3 seconds
[05:17] <spacey_ki> debug1: Bytes per second: stdin 0.0, stdout 0.0, stderr 153.2
[05:17] <spacey_ki> debug1: Exit status -1
[05:17] <spacey_ki> yup
[05:17] <spacey_ki> thats not the problem
[05:17] <ogra_ibook> hmm
[05:18] <ogra_ibook> looks weird
[05:18] <spacey_ki> debug1: Host '192.168.1.4' is known and matches the RSA host key.
[05:18] <spacey_ki> so that works
[05:18] <spacey_ki> oh
[05:18] <spacey_ki> maybe another key
[05:18] <spacey_ki> anyway that part is right
[05:19] <ogra_ibook> the session on the server works locally ? 
[05:19] <ogra_ibook> s/session/gnome-session
[05:19] <spacey_ki> I can log in with NX
[05:20] <ogra_ibook> can you log in directly in gdm ? 
[05:21] <spacey_ki> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6894
[05:21] <spacey_ki> box is not hooked up to any keyboard/monitor atm
[05:21] <spacey_ki> i could try that tomorrow
[05:22] <spacey_ki> see the paste url
[05:22] <spacey_ki> for the ldm.log
[05:23] <ogra_ibook> looks like your X session is broken
[05:23] <ogra_ibook> or X11 itself
[05:24] <spacey_ki> hhmm
[05:24] <ogra_ibook> the user exists etc ? (has a /home etc ?)
[05:25] <spacey_ki> Xsession: X session started for herman at di jan 10 14:44:01 CET 2006
[05:25] <spacey_ki> No profile for user 'herman' found
[05:25] <spacey_ki> is in .xsession-errors
[05:25] <ogra_ibook> hmm
[05:25] <spacey_ki> ogra, yes, else NX wouldn't work either?
[05:26] <ogra_ibook> i have not the slightest idea about the NX package you use 
[05:26] <ogra_ibook> and i dont know if NX even remotely uses any of the system defaults ...
[05:26] <ogra_ibook> i guess it just calls gnome-session or whatever you choose
[05:27] <ogra_ibook> so NX wont be giving me any valid info ... a local login would though
[05:29] <spacey_ki> i'll try that tomorrow
[05:29] <spacey_ki> i'm not on location now
[05:30] <ogra_ibook> oki
[07:35] <juliux> ogra_ibook, there are the pictures of the thinclients  http://www.juliux.de/linux/thinall.JPG  http://www.juliux.de/linux/thininnen.JPG  http://www.juliux.de/linux/thinunten.JPG  http://www.juliux.de/linux/thinvorne.JPG
[07:43] <mhz> juliux: hi 
[07:44] <juliux> hi mhz 
[07:45] <juliux> mhz, but i think i will send you a wyse thinclient if the work
[07:45] <mhz> wyse?
[07:45] <juliux> one moment
[07:46] <juliux> mhz, wyse is also fujitsu
[07:46] <juliux> i think
[07:47] <mhz> I really like the idea, it will very useful for both testing and demoing in public
[07:48] <juliux> mhz, but it is a thinclient from 2000
[07:48] <mhz> but? no but, it's good
[07:48] <mhz> ;)
[07:49] <juliux> mhz, ok
[07:49] <juliux> but at first i have to get it running with linux;=
[07:49] <mhz> hahahaha
[07:50] <mhz> I have made my 'thin-laptop' (no CD nor floppy) boot from M$ into Linux netboot
[07:50] <juliux> mhz, at the moment is a windows ce 
[07:50] <mhz> puaj!!!
[07:50] <mhz> CE sucks!
[07:50] <juliux> jup
[07:51] <mhz> even M$ for Pocket PC work better :D
[07:52] <mhz> wow! Gnash
[07:54] <Burgwork> mhz, sadly that means there are now three free flash players
[07:54] <Burgwork> GPL: Gnash and GPLflash and LGPL:swfdec
[07:54] <mhz> booo
[07:54] <mhz> didnt know
[07:55] <Burgwork> mostly people assumed that gnash == gplflash
[07:55] <mhz> i try to avoid Flash sites and I even send letter requesting site versions with HTML
[07:56] <writer> Escuse me. What is "Gnash"?
[07:56] <mhz> writer:  a flash player and firefox plugin ( http://tinyurl.com/a6mev ).... it's one of the FSF's priority projects ( http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority.html ) and a real FOSS milestone
[07:59] <writer> Now I need see FSF and FOSS. Ok. Thank mhz
[08:01] <mhz> FreeSoftwareFoundation and Free Open Source Software
[08:01] <mhz> writer: was that it?
[08:02] <writer> I look on the site FSF and understand
[08:04] <writer> I'm not programmer:-(
[08:06] <mhz> writer: me neither
[08:06] <mhz> ;)
[08:07] <mhz> so dont worry
[08:07] <mhz> we all learn new stuff on daily basis :D
[08:11] <writer> I only studied Logo Turtle when I was the teacher and very glad to meet Turtles in Edubuntu
[08:12] <writer> I hope in the next issue Edubuntu I will see StarLogo or NetLogo
[08:12] <mhz> writer: have you proposed it? do you have arguments? 
[08:13] <lucasvo> cool, mac book pro
[08:14] <mhz> ?
[08:14] <juliux> has somebody the edubuntu flight2 cd image on a faster server?
[08:15] <writer> mhz: StarLogo & NetLogo for student, not for school. 
[08:18] <writer> look http://education.mit.edu/starlogo      http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo    
[08:19] <ogra_ibook> writer, we wont put any duplicates of software into the desktop ... we already have logo... if one of the others is packaged and proven to be better, we can replace kturtle ...
[08:19] <lucasvo> mhz: the new apple notebook
[08:20] <mhz> wow! pictures?
[08:21] <lucasvo> mhz: www.apple.com
[08:21] <lucasvo> 4x a fast
[08:21] <lucasvo> intel duo core 
[08:21] <lucasvo> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/
[08:22] <writer> ogra_ibook: No, kturtle for Junior very nice for first steps in programming
[08:23] <lucasvo> writer: yes, but it uses kde :P
[08:23] <lucasvo> a malus 
[08:24] <writer> let be K or library from K
[08:24] <writer> I dream only about next Edubuntu
[08:24] <lucasvo> library from K
[08:24] <lucasvo> writer: your dream is 4 months away
[08:24] <lucasvo> from reality
[08:25] <ogra_ibook> in fact the last changes are 4 weeks away 
[08:25] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: in edubuntu?
[08:25] <ogra_ibook> after that only bugfixes will be allowed 
[08:25] <lucasvo> hm, ok
[08:25] <ogra_ibook> feature freeze is the deadline for all new stuff
[08:26] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: I wish a powerbutton in ldm!
[08:26] <ogra_ibook> send me a patch
[08:26] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: I don't know how, but you could do it?
[08:26] <ogra_ibook> if i had the time, yes
[08:28] <lucasvo> is there some bot here?
[08:28] <lucasvo> !seen der_paul
[08:28] <lucasvo> does anybody know him? I think I already knew him
[08:31] <mhz> lucasvo: I could not see it
[08:32] <lucasvo> mhz: what?
[08:32] <lucasvo> http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/whatsinside.html ??
[08:32] <mhz> apple store nor macbook
[08:32] <lucasvo> without flash
[08:32] <lucasvo> maybe proxy?
[08:34] <mhz> lucasvo: the only thing i liked was "Backlit keyboard with ambient light sensors for automatic adjustment of keyboard illumination and screen brightness"
[08:34] <mhz> for me it's too heavy and big
[08:35] <lucasvo> it is not small yes
[08:36] <lucasvo> but if I have to carry my schololbag all the way around these few pounds more wont hurt
[08:36] <mhz> hhhehehehe
[08:36] <mhz> indeed
[08:36] <mhz> that's a reason why I stay with 10 inches Fujitsu
[08:42] <writer> good by all
[08:42] <juliux> cu writer 
[10:17] <juliux> ogra_ibook, can you help me with edubuntu dapper?
[10:18] <ogra> whats the prob
[10:18] <juliux> i get an locale error
[10:18] <juliux> i have installed the base system
[10:19] <juliux> but after the reboot i get an error about locale
[10:19] <juliux> and the ubuntu configuration hangs up
[10:19] <juliux> bzw it freez
[10:19] <ogra> but you did select english locales as advised ?
[10:19] <juliux> i select no locales
[10:20] <juliux> at the bootmenu i select deutsch
[10:20] <ogra> yes, thats wrong
[10:20] <juliux> oh
[10:20] <juliux> ok 
[10:20] <ogra> read the flight2 release notes
[10:20] <juliux> hm
[10:20] <juliux> on my notebook i installed dapper with german
[10:20] <juliux> ok so i have to install it new right?
[10:20] <ogra> from the edubuntu flight2 cd ?
[10:21] <juliux> no from the ubuntu flight2 cd
[10:21] <juliux> so it is a edubuntu bug?
[10:21] <ogra> nope, its a locales bug that doesnt show up unless you try to install postgresql :)
[10:21] <juliux> ah
[10:21] <juliux> ok i will install it again
[10:23] <juliux> can i select in the install prozess german?
[10:23] <juliux> or must i select english?
[10:24] <ogra> as the notes tell you ...
[10:25] <juliux> hm and where are the notes?
[10:25] <ogra> google for release announcement flight2 
[10:25] <ogra> sorry i'm very busy
[10:26] <juliux> ok
[11:16] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[11:16] <Lord_Athur> mhz, hi, i've installed the ubuntu server... can I change the color of the virtual terminals (tty)? from 
[11:18] <Lord_Athur> mhz, nobody know it in other channels of ubuntu, bu you're an official user of ubuntu, you must know...
[11:21] <Lord_Athur> :S
[11:28] <Lord_Athur> ogra,  hi, i've installed the edubuntu server... can I change the color of the virtual terminals (tty)? from 
[11:41] <spacey_ki> you can at least set colours of the "herman@ki:~$" in your terminal
[11:42] <spacey_ki> its the $PS1 var i think
[11:42] <spacey_ki> in bashrc
[11:42] <spacey_ki> don't know about the rest