[12:05] <theCore> should we cover the basics of the filesystem, in the intro ?
[12:09] <LaserJock> like what?
[12:16] <theCore> does doc.ubuntu is down ? 
[12:16] <LaserJock> I believe it is
[12:18] <theCore> it look like the webmasters are doing some background changes ... (check the buttons on ubuntu.com, they're now smaller :/ )
[08:48] <mdke> jdub, any progress been made on start.ubuntu.com or the yelp customisations?
[08:48] <jsgotangco> yelp upstream changes?
[08:48] <mdke> no...
[08:49] <mdke> the plan is to do some ubuntu customisations of the yelp stylesheets
[08:49] <jsgotangco> won't it bork upstream docs?
[08:50] <mdke> bork?
[08:50] <mdke> they would have the customisations too
[09:09] <mdke> jdub?
[09:17] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, mdke you saw the plates shift in the gnome world today?
[09:17] <jsgotangco> yep
[09:18] <mdke> nope
[09:18] <Burgundavia> mdke, FC5 will include mono
[09:18] <Burgundavia> wonder what this means for beagle and 2.16
[09:18] <mdke> is that a big deal?
[09:18] <Burgundavia> mdke, up until now they have refused to ship it
[09:19] <jsgotangco> http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/?p=159
[09:19] <Burgundavia> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ForbiddenItems#head-3b240142fcfa3e417734f6f5338bf20c61ceec14
[09:21] <mdke> i had gathered that from the first thing you said
[09:21] <mdke> is it a big deal?
[09:21] <Burgundavia> yes, a huge one
[09:21] <mdke> ah
[09:21] <jsgotangco> yes
[09:21] <Burgundavia> because without RH's support, nothing mono would have gone into GNOME proper
[09:21] <jsgotangco> the next rhel might include it then
[09:21] <Burgundavia> hence creating a huge divide
[09:22] <jsgotangco> hehe more mono crack to come!
[09:22] <Burgundavia> I expect f-spot for 2.16 and maybe beagle
[09:23] <Burgundavia> then comes the showdown between rb and banshee
[09:23] <jsgotangco> id go for banshee
[09:24] <Burgundavia> it is crazy that there are two, with the same bloody UI
[09:24] <Burgundavia> whichever gets chosen basically kills the other
[09:25] <Burgundavia> anyway, I have to sleep
[09:26] <jsgotangco> night
[02:46] <Madpilot> good morning
[08:11] <theCore> LaserJock, hi
[08:12] <theCore> LaserJock, i don't think we need the ``Simple Packaging Walkthrough'' section
[08:12] <theCore> we should concentrate more on the ``Learn by doing'' part
[08:14] <LaserJock> theCore: you could be right, I just don't quite have a feeling for that yet
[08:14] <LaserJock> theCore: if in the end we need it then we can easily add it
[08:15] <mdke> bshumate, success?
[08:15] <theCore> so, do we  remove the ``Simple Packaging Walkthrough'' chapter from the outline
[08:17] <LaserJock> theCore: well, we can leave it there for now and just not do it ;-)
[08:17] <theCore> ok then , I will just comment it out
[08:17] <LaserJock> oh yeah, I didn't make it to the CC meeting this morning
[08:18] <mdke> LaserJock, no progress on commit access i suppose?
[08:19] <LaserJock> mdke: no, I would like to poke elmo a little but I know he is very busy and might bite back ;-)
[08:19] <LaserJock> mdke: so I have been biting my tongue
[08:28] <mdke> i'll poke
[08:28] <mdke> LaserJock, ^
[08:31] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks, I just don't want to be a problem
[08:46] <theCore> LaserJock, I made some changes to the outline, you may want to check it out
[08:48] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, will do
[09:01] <theCore> LaserJock, what is the difference between ``Packaging Scenarios'' and ``Building Scenarios'' ?
[09:02] <LaserJock> well packaging just has to do with making the source package
[09:02] <LaserJock> and building would be the various was to make the source package into binary packages
[09:02] <LaserJock> like pbuilder 
[09:03] <theCore> okay
[09:03] <theCore> thanks
[09:27] <theCore> so, what do think of my changes ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> theCore: just a sec
[09:32] <LaserJock> theCore: not sure about the filesystem and apt overview. What did you have planned there?
[09:35] <theCore> so the reader can have a basic knowledge about those important things
[09:36] <theCore> when you make a package, it's important to know things like where the man page is stored, where the bin goes, etc ...
[09:36] <LaserJock> theCore: well, I would worry that it would create too much introductory material
[09:36] <LaserJock> theCore: maybe we could just reference something
[09:36] <theCore> yea, maybe 
[09:40] <LaserJock> theCore: but you are right in that people will need to know where to but docs etc.
[09:45] <theCore> LaserJock, a quick intro about the -dev packages would be nice too
[09:48] <Kyral> yo
[09:49] <Kyral> sorry I dropped off the face of the Net, my router decided to hate me
[09:49] <mdke> Kyral, we forgive you
[09:49] <theCore> Kyral, put linux on it
[09:49] <Kyral> lol
[09:49] <Kyral> I should actuallu
[09:49] <Kyral> Summer project, build my own router
[09:59] <theCore> LaserJock, I finished a really rough draft of the debhelper section in xml
[09:59] <LaserJock> theCore: ok, email me what you've got
[10:01] <theCore> LaserJock, is it okay if I send you my whole dir ?
[10:01] <theCore> ls
[10:01] <theCore> oups
[10:02] <theCore> it's 290K big
[10:02] <LaserJock> fine
[10:03] <theCore> just a sec, so i can rip off the .svn dir
[10:07] <mdke> theCore, LaserJock, in case no one has said this yet, thanks for working on this
[10:07] <theCore> LaserJock, send
[10:08] <Burgwork> bshumate, I approved your wiki team membership
[10:08] <theCore> mdke, thanks
[10:09] <LaserJock> mdke: well, thanks for letting us help Ubuntu
[10:09] <mdke> not me guv
[10:09] <mdke> ubuntu is open :)
[10:10] <LaserJock> I have been turned off of so many distros because it was so difficult to just help
[10:10] <bshumate> Heya, and thanks for that Burgwork! :-)
[10:10] <Burgwork> LaserJock, I hear what you are saying
[10:10] <mdke> ah :) hope you stay with us then LaserJock 
[10:10] <Burgwork> bshumate, np
[10:11] <Burgwork> we gained two members at this CC meeting, Madpilot and bshumate 
[10:11] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I'm a member now so I can't just leave ;-)
[10:11] <mdke> oh shit was Madpilot up today?
[10:11] <mdke> didn't see that
[10:11] <Burgwork> mdke, he passed, even without either of us being here
[10:11] <Burgwork> there
[10:11] <theCore> I hope will be member some day
[10:12] <mdke> Burgwork, i had no doubt, but I like leaving fanmail when I can't make it ;)
[10:12] <mdke> theCore, sure you will, just keep helping us :) 
[10:14] <LaserJock> theCore: have you started a wiki page for you work?
[10:14] <theCore> LaserJock, yes, but its still quite empty
[10:15] <theCore> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexandreVassalotti
[10:16] <LaserJock> theCore: well, as long as you keep it up to date before long you will have enough
[10:19] <theCore> should I include irc support log ?
[10:19] <mdke> theCore, no, but mention that you help out
[10:20] <mdke> theCore, nice splash screen btw, did you push it to the artwork people?
[10:20] <LaserJock> theCore: yeah, usually the CC doesn't want to read a bunch they just want to see the areas you are involved in and briefly what you have been working on
[10:20] <theCore> nah, I just posted it on the art forums
[10:21] <mdke> theCore, i like it
[10:21] <LaserJock> me too
[10:22] <theCore> thanks, so where should I send it ?
[10:24] <LaserJock> I suppose you could try the ubuntu-art mailing list
[10:33] <bshumate> mdke: hello, and thanks for the vote of confidence!  i appreciate the fanmail! ;-)
[10:36] <theCore> could someone send me a email at storm.kbot+test@gmail.com ?
[10:39] <theCore> okay then ... 
[10:39] <theCore> nevermind
[10:39] <LaserJock> theCore: sorry, I was working on something else
[10:57] <Burgwork> mdke, what the status of doc.u.c and help.u.c?
[11:33] <mdke> bshumate, np
[11:33] <mdke> Burgwork, ?
[11:34] <mdke> responds here
[11:34] <Burgwork> mdke, it was slow
[11:34] <Burgwork> never mind
[11:34] <mdke> yeah it's slow
[11:37] <mdke> -> bed
[11:39] <Burgwork> night