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lucasyep12:02
LaserJocklucas: so I want to get the list of Universe source packages from the science, math, and tex sections12:03
LaserJocklucas: I think that mdt will work nicely except for tex12:03
lucaswhy not for tex ?12:04
lucasyou can use mdt-grep-dctrl-* to get the list of sources packages in those sections12:04
LaserJockwell, maybe it will but the problem is that if I use dist-grep-dctrl- I will get both tex and text sections12:04
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lucaswhat you are doing currently with grep-dctrl ?12:05
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LaserJockhmm, maybe it wouldn't be a problem with Universe packages because I could grep for tex/universe12:05
LaserJockbut then in Debian I don't know what would happen12:05
lucaswhat's your current syntax ? :-)12:06
lucasmdt dist-grep-dctrl-sources dapper -n -s Package -F Section -e "tex$"12:07
lucasdoesn't this work ?12:07
ajmitchmorning12:08
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LaserJocklucas: looks like it would, let me try it12:08
LaserJockhi ajmitch and Hobbsee12:10
Hobbseehey LaserJock :)12:10
lucasmdt dist-grep-dctrl-sources dapper -n -s Package \( -F Section -e "tex$" \) -o \( -F Section science \) -o \( -F Section math \)12:10
ajmitchhello Hobbsee, LaserJock12:10
lucasthen mdt compare-versions sid dapper12:10
lucasthen mdt filter12:10
Hobbseehi ajmitch :)12:10
lucashi ajmitch12:10
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theCoredoes lighttpd will be include into the breezy repo, or only in dapper's one12:26
tsengonly dapper12:26
tsengbreezy is released, its done.12:26
theCoreok12:28
irvintheCore interested in lighttpd?12:28
theCoreirvin, yeah12:28
irvini have a debian package that can work in breezy, i'm using it myself :D12:28
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theCorewhere can I get it ?12:29
irvintheCore pls wait, i'll rm .htaccess on the webserver12:29
irvintheCore, http://www.metawire.org/~ippfx/lighttpd12:30
LaserJocklucus: works wonderfully! For tex and science I got 1 or 2 packages less than what I got in Synaptic but that is ok for me12:31
theCoreirvin, thanks12:32
irvintheCore, remembers that it is UNOFFICIAL, lighttpd from Debian unstable is broken on breezy12:33
irvins/remembers/remember12:33
theCoreirvin, it's a quite small bed file12:33
irvinyeah12:33
theCoreirvin, does the dapper's deb would work with breezy ?12:36
irvintheCore, i dunno12:37
irvinthe dapper deb requires a higher libssl version than the one on breezy12:39
theCoremaybe I will package it myself12:39
irvinsure12:40
LaserJocklucas: ping?12:53
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lucaspong12:57
LaserJocklucas: sorry, I was just making the .html files but ruby was acting up. I think I have it fixed now.12:58
lucasok12:58
LaserJocklucas: everything is working smoothly. The only thing is that the lists of source packages are different for Debian and Ubuntu so I am using the larger of the two to filter with12:59
lucasyou can use list_union and list_unify01:00
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lucasit's probably better to get the largest list possible01:00
crimsunlucas: please add a note to http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse.html#outdatedinB that libpng in Ubuntu does not correspond to Debian's libpng and thus should not be merged.01:01
crimsun(Debian moved libpng3 -> oldlibs and renamed it to libpng, therefore the major versions don't match)01:02
LaserJocklucas: is it possible to set what A and B when creating the html?01:02
lucasmdt versions2html --help01:02
lucas:-)01:02
lucas--titleA & --titleB01:03
LaserJockah, thanks01:03
lucascrimsun: done, it will show up during the next update01:04
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lucasgood night01:04
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LaserJocklucas: thanks so much01:05
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rbelemg'evening people01:25
LaserJockhello01:25
rbelemhey LaserJock01:25
rbelemLaserJock: can you test a package for me?01:27
rbelemdeb http://www.estudiolivre.org/videos/lives/ubuntu/breezy/ binary-i386/01:27
rbelemthe package is lives01:28
LaserJockk01:28
rbelempeople reported some erros under i386 but i don't have one01:29
rbelemto test01:30
crimsunLaserJock: do you have a debdiff for #5598 ?01:31
crimsunUbugtu: 559801:31
LaserJockcrimsun: sadly no, it is a big project and I am kinda feeling in over my head01:32
crimsunI'll handle it, then.01:32
LaserJockcrimsun: I have worked on it but it isn't done01:32
crimsunit's really a straight-forward merge. Most of the changes have been adopted by Debian, so you only need to check debian/control01:33
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LaserJockhmm, well I got the control stuff done, are you sure that there aren't changes that need to be done in debian/rules01:33
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crimsunLaserJock: just the 2.4-relevant stuff01:33
LaserJockI was having a hard time figuring out what had been done01:33
LaserJockrbelem: I ran lives-exe and it crashed on me01:34
rbelem:/01:34
LaserJockcrimsun: I couldn't get it to generate control from control.in01:34
\shLaserJock: it's a cdbs switch :)01:35
LaserJock\sh: but it doesn't use cdbs01:35
rbelemLaserJock: under amd64 it run well01:35
\shthen it's using some autotools magic :) or some magic in the rules file to sed some things in control.in01:36
LaserJockthere is a rule in debian/rules but it doesn't seem to work right01:36
LaserJockat least I can't get it to work01:36
crimsunyou need to rm debian/control first01:36
crimsunotherwise since debian/control exists, it will never be regenerated01:36
LaserJockI get an error - sed: -e expression #1, char 55: unterminated address regex01:37
\shI wonder why the wine package from breezy is FTBFSing01:38
\shsomething is wrong with the fonts generation..and it should never have build on breezy in the first place01:39
rbelemthanks LaserJock. i'll try to discover the problem01:41
LaserJockcrimsun: you're sure that nothing needs to be changed in debian/rules?01:44
crimsunLaserJock: no, debian/rules is pretty messy. I'm hand-merging from a clean Sid package.01:45
LaserJockcrimsun: so how do you know that the previous Ubuntu changes have been applied to the sid package?01:48
crimsuneasy, you read the changelog.01:49
crimsunthen you check the source01:49
crimsunif doko says upstream applied 'em, I tend to trust the entry.01:49
crimsunthe only changes that need to be made are libGL{U} and python2.401:49
crimsunpretty much everything else is referenced in the changelog01:49
LaserJockcrimsun: ok, so what about the last Debian entry?01:50
crimsunLaserJock: the one that doko forward-references in the last entry of 2.4.4.1ubuntu1?01:51
LaserJockcrimsun: I guess so, well that makes it much easier. I could've done that01:52
crimsunyep.01:52
LaserJockcrimsun: I was just being cautious and making sure everything was applied and I got swamped01:52
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crimsunwhen in doubt always revert to the Debian revision and by-hand [check-in]  the Ubuntu changes01:53
LaserJockwell, I was going to do that but I got confused when I couldn't get the Debian source that the Ubuntu version was based on01:54
LaserJockcrimsun: so did you upload it already?01:54
crimsunno, I'm building it right now01:54
LaserJockoh, ok. I was going to say that I could send a debdiff since I did the changes already01:55
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LaserJockwhen I did a debdiff between 2.4.4.1.1 and 2.4.4.1ubuntu1 I did get a bunch of changes in debian/rules where := was changed to =01:58
\shdamn...I fixed the issue with breezies wine...now for the security patch01:59
LaserJockcrimsun: were you able to generate the control file?02:01
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\shhmmm..someone else is now in favor of njam in debian as it looks like02:31
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Amaranthgnome 32637902:37
UbugtuGnome bug 326379: "small leak in gweather applet" Product: gnome-applets, Component: gweather, Severity: normal, Assigned to: gnome-applets-maint@gnome.bugs, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: FIXED http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32637902:37
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crimsunmm hackety hack.03:06
Yagisanre03:07
Yagisancrimsun: where ?03:07
crimsunYagisan: wxwindows2.4's debian/rules triggers a sed anomaly.03:10
Yagisancrimsun: thought you were talking about my new rules file for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=144503:10
Yagisancrimsun: makes i386 and amd64 debs out of an i386 pbuilder03:11
Yagisanbbl03:11
\shYagisan: as 32bit compat package for amd64?03:16
Yagisan\sh:  yes. sorry I'm rather busy today - just about to leave for the embassy03:22
Yagisan\sh: please check it out - if everyone is ok with it, I'll do the same for wine03:23
\shYagisan: well...first of all, I have to enable --enable-win64 or something like this to have at least a real amd64 version03:23
\shand tweak a bit in debian/control03:24
Yagisan\sh: this is for packages that can't be built 64bit, or that need to be build 32bit for certain functionality03:25
Yagisan\sh: eg for wine, there will be wine, and wine-32 for amd6403:25
\shYagisan: no :)03:25
\shYagisan: there will be wine for 32bit, wine64 for amd64 and wine64-compat-32bit or something like this for the compat lib03:26
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=== ajmitch just wants a wine that works
\shwhere wine64 will only be build on 64bit archs03:26
\shajmitch: -EOTHERWISH03:27
Yagisan\sh: names are just details - I'll get it working first, then we can argue about names03:27
ajmitch\sh: hey, wine used to work with diablo II here :)03:27
ajmitch0.9.4 completely broke it03:27
\shajmitch: try it with 0.9.503:27
\shwhich I uploaded today03:27
ajmitchok03:27
Yagisan0.9.4 broke every win app I used03:27
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ajmitchYagisan: it's depressing seeing those regressions03:28
Yagisanajmitch: they have a 0.9.5, so maybe that works03:29
Yagisanajmitch: like my hackery with zsnes ?03:29
ajmitchhaven't seen it03:30
ajmitchdoes it work?03:30
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Yagisanajmitch: I believe so - it built :) toss it into and i386 pbuilder and marvel at how it drops packages for two arches out03:31
ajmitchimpressive03:31
ajmitchwhat hackery was required there?03:31
Yagisanajmitch: I had to butt heads with dpkg a lot. Check out my handiwork in the rules file here http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=144503:32
\shajmitch: exchaning arch names of the packages from i386 to amd64  ,)03:32
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\shrough overview that was :)03:32
ajmitchwill it work for wine? :)03:32
\shajmitch: not exactly but somehow similar03:33
Yagisanajmitch: should - I'll do the dapper package tonight03:33
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ajmitchsigh03:33
ajmitchdownloading wine is taking too long03:33
\shajmitch: first there has to be an amd64 native package...which means I have to ask for the arch type and if amd64/ia64/whatever and add --enable-win64 or something like this to configure03:34
\shajmitch: on i386 side, we have to add another binary package control description like wine64-compat32 or something03:35
\shand toss the 32bit wine stuff into this package for amd6403:35
\shand changing the arch type of the package to amd6403:35
\shwhich is somehow tricky and i'm not sure if I want that really03:35
\shbut anyways...I just made a new 0.9.5 upload today with wmf fix03:36
\shpitti has now breezy and hoary fixes for the respective wine versions03:36
\shso I'm done with wine for today03:37
ajmitchI doubt it'll get diablo 2 going again, knowing the wine hackers03:37
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ajmitchwow, it runs again03:40
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LaserJockcrimsun: so debian/rules did have a problem?04:09
TheMusoc04:23
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LaserJockwhat app do I need to be able to send emails from a file or console via smtp?04:36
hubpostfix04:39
hubsendmail04:39
hubor any mta04:39
LaserJockaren't those servers?04:40
ptloLaserJock: most console email apps use local mta to send mails ... examples are mutt, pine, elm. although i do believe mutt can use remote smtp server04:41
lifelesssimple-mail or something04:41
lifelesstheres a package that just gives you a mail sender04:41
ptloof course you can always use telnet for that, too ;-)04:41
lifelessmaybe it was xmail04:41
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LaserJockok, I just want to be able to send out emails to my smtp server for the CLI without having to install an email server or something04:42
lifelessssmtp04:43
LaserJocklifeless: ahh, I think that might be what I am looking for04:45
LaserJockeverything seems to assume I have a local mail server.04:45
psusipostfix got installed for me when I installed apache I think04:47
psusiso I just use that04:47
psusialso installed dovecot on my server at work for imap access, and set up a cron job to pull the mail from lkml.org04:47
psusiimap rules04:48
LaserJockright now I'm just trying to use reportbug so I can send some stuff to BTS04:48
psusinow I just need to get dovecot to be able to 7zip compress archive folders so my 50,000 old messages only take up 10 MB instead of 100 ;)04:48
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mr-russHow is decided what is in main or not?05:14
hubmr-russ: what Ubuntu is willing to provide support for05:14
mr-russas in the paid developer people.05:15
mr-russor anybody who gets main upload rights.05:15
hubas in "Ubuntu the project"05:16
hubthey have goal and package are here to achieve the goals05:16
hubthere are also security riquirements in these goals05:16
ajmitchmain inclusion reports get written up & software reviewed for it to go into main05:17
mr-russokay. that's giving a good picture thanks.05:17
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hubmr-russ: universe is for the rest of the freely redistribuable sofware05:18
mr-russhow do you alter a debian package so that is has ubuntu version?05:20
ajmitchedit debian/changelog05:20
ajmitchadd a new revision, so that 1.2.3-4 becomes 1.2.3-4ubuntu105:20
mr-russokay, so the deb gets the revision number for there.05:20
mr-russdebian/ubuntu packaging is all a bit new to me.05:20
mr-russI always have to throw myself in at the deepend though.05:21
ajmitcheach revision has the version line, with distribution (dapper in our case, unstable or experimental for most debian uploads)05:21
ajmitch:)05:21
ajmitchit's the best place to start ;)05:21
hubmr-russ: but only if you need to change something05:22
mr-russhow are security patches to universe managed?  eg updates to packages in say breezy.05:23
mr-russhub: I've got one package that I've updated, and need to get updated in debian.05:23
hubmr-russ: if there is a security report a patch is issued, tested and the current package patched to include the fix05:23
mr-russhub: I'm also trying to create some of my own specialized packages.05:23
hubmr-russ: what do you mean. a new version?05:23
mr-russhub: so I'm trying to learn how to do everything :)05:24
hubhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU05:24
mr-russhub: one case is a new version been trying to merge 2 forks of a package, one maintained by me, one by the debian folk.05:24
hubif the package is in main, file a bug05:24
mr-russI'm getting good a filing bugs :)05:25
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hub any revu admin?05:46
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ajmitchyes?05:49
hubI have a dput that failed05:50
hubto to crappy internet connection05:50
ajmitch:)05:50
hubso I the file is stuck05:50
hubgopersist_0.1.1-0ubuntu1.dsc05:50
ajmitchyep05:50
ajmitchremoved05:51
hubthx05:51
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hubfscking hell06:07
hubthis connection suck06:07
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hubanyone packaging synfig?06:32
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crimsunwow, so UVF is Jan 19th06:44
ajmitchvery close06:46
ajmitchcrimsun: still no closer with sound :)06:46
LaserJockwhat has to be done before then?06:47
crimsunall the merges, hopefully06:48
crimsunajmitch: d'oh :/06:48
crimsundid you try those tree model= values?06:48
ajmitchcrimsun: there are quite a few comments on the upstream alsa bugtracker though06:48
ajmitchno, I haven't tried that one06:48
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ajmitch#1517 on alsa's bugtracker if you're interested06:50
crimsunerr, s/tree/three/06:50
crimsun(basic, hp, fujitsu)06:50
crimsunok, thanks06:51
LaserJockarghh, why are there so many different MTAs06:53
crimsunbecause there must be more than one way to break your system06:55
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zakamehi MOTUs :)06:56
LaserJockall I want to do is be able to use reportbug and other CLI progs that send mail06:56
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crimsunLaserJock: you can set up an ssh tunnel to punt it to an upstream MTA06:57
crimsunhi zak06:58
zakameyep, or masqmail06:58
zakameheya crimsun :)06:58
LaserJockcrimsun: what would and upstream MTA be?06:58
crimsunLaserJock: I presume your ISP has one, or someone "outside" has a host running an MTA06:59
LaserJockcrimsun: yeah, I'm on a department LAN. There is a smtp server but I just don't know what program to use to that reportbug etc. will be able to use07:00
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LaserJockI think esmtp or ssmtp might work07:00
crimsunyou could set up exim to do forwarding to your LAN's smtpd07:00
zakameLaserJock: that's a job for masqmail indeed :)07:00
zakameor yes, exim can forward too :)07:00
LaserJockzakame: will look into it07:01
LaserJockcrimsun: is that relatively easy to do? I don't want to have to do a bunch of configuration when I won't be recieving any mail just sending it07:01
crimsunLaserJock: I can't speak for the others, but it was dead easy with exim in Debian Potato07:02
crimsunI can only presume that masqmail, et al. would be even more straightforward07:02
LaserJockok, well I gotta get to bed, thanks crimsun and zakame for the suggestions07:02
zakamecrimsun: I can also vouch for Woody exim :)07:02
zakamegn8 LaserJock :)07:03
ajmitchcrimsun: none of those models work, sorry07:11
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crimsunajmitch: ok, thanks for testing.07:12
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zakameheya jaldhar_07:45
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dholbachgood morning07:55
zakame_good day dholbach :)07:57
dholbachhello zakame07:57
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Yagisanre10:38
crimsunre10:41
YagisanG'day crimsun10:43
crimsun'lo10:43
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zakamehi all10:47
crimsun'lo zak10:47
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=== crimsun sighs. So many outstanding merges...
=== zakame pats crimsun
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zakameheya Hobbsee11:07
Hobbsee_awayhey zakame11:07
crimsun'lo Hobbsee11:10
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dholbachlifeless, ajmitch: what about uploading *sync to ubuntu's NEW queue?11:24
dholbachlifeless, ajmitch: i couldn't find the source packages to sponsor them to ubuntu11:25
dholbachlifeless, ajmitch: UVF is in 9 days11:25
crimsunyeah, that's why I've been scrambling w/ these merges11:25
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ajmitchdholbach: you don't trust that they'll get through debian's NEW queue in the next 9 days?11:26
ajmitchgiven that the average time in the queue has been 2-4 days lately11:26
lifelessajmitch: the plugins and guis definately wont11:26
lifelessajmitch: unless we are extremely lucky11:27
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ajmitchlifeless: not started yet?11:27
dholbachso why do we wait for debian's NEW queue? why don't we upload them as 0ubuntu1 and sync whenever they are through?11:27
lifelessdholbach: opensync is -not- ready for mainstream use anyway though11:27
lifelessdholbach: whats the rush? the software is crackful at the moment11:27
dholbachlifeless: would you consider mutilsync ready enough? :)11:27
lifelessmultisync is stable, the new multisync built on opensync is painful11:28
lifelessmissing gui bits, options that dont, its really quite painful.11:28
dholbachok11:28
Hobbsee_awayhi crimsun11:30
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azeemhave there been any complaints for multisync-0.8x in breezy/dapper?11:37
azeemI got another one that the last upload didn't fix the evo sync issues or so11:38
lifelessazeem: hey there11:38
azeemhi!11:38
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lifelessajmitch: azeem did all the plugins, its just that they cant upload until libopensync0 is available for the buildds11:38
azeemthe GNOME people should just code up a decent "Syncing" Preferences capplet or something11:40
azeemor maybe somebody should help abauer with his exams, so he can hack more on opensync :)11:41
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\shgrmpf...trying to fix qts immodule patch11:44
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Tonio_dholbach: hi ;)12:07
Tonio_I won't be there for the CC meeting....12:07
Tonio_the scsi perc card crashed last night on our fileserver...12:08
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Tonio_if I don't want to be fired today, I assume not spending time on irc is required ;)12:08
Tonio_\sh: hi, how was your interview ? was it good ?12:09
dholbachTonio_: I'm sorry :/12:09
\shTonio_: moment...I'll tell you later...have to fix something asap :)12:09
dholbachTonio_: you'll make it in the next one12:09
Tonio_dholbach: has always ;) always for the next one hehe12:10
Tonio_\sh: no pb :)12:10
dholbach:)12:10
Tonio_anyway, the most important is contributing, not especially beeing a member ;)12:10
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NafalloTonio_: it's easier to contribute when you're a member though :-P12:12
Tonio_Nafallo: don't know what it changes exactly...12:13
Tonio_beeing a motu gives a lot of different possibilities.... but beeing a member ?12:13
Nafallo@ubuntu.com and requirement for motuness :-)12:13
Tonio_okay ;)12:14
Nafallomight even get some social stuff aswell :-)12:14
Nafallos/get/gain/12:14
Tonio_in fact dholbach wanted me to come introducing at the CC for at least.... 6 month I think :)12:14
Tonio_and there is always a problem lol12:15
Nafalloouch12:15
Nafallothat's like 12 times :-P12:15
Tonio_yep.....12:15
Tonio_I have a job which takes me about 55 hours a week....12:16
Tonio_so the only way to contribute is by night, and CC are most often during the day....12:16
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Nafallo:-)12:17
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NafalloYagisan: you should totally add a subpage to the PbuilderHowto! :-)12:18
YagisanNafallo: what - how to abuse^Wuse the build system12:19
Nafalloyea :-)12:20
NafalloI think my girlfriend would love me to stop using her box for i386 pbuilding ;-)12:20
YagisanNafallo: you have amd64 ?12:21
Nafalloyepp, my laptop :-)12:21
YagisanNafallo: easiest way is to install pbuilder in an i386 chroot12:21
YagisanNafallo: least effort - but needs more disk space12:21
raphinklucas: I see you put notes on your merging page. Could you add a note to wesnoth so it's not merged?12:22
Nafallothen I have to create an i386 chroot. and I'm lazy. so I rather ssh silverfairy ;-)12:22
raphinklol12:22
raphinkNafallo: build on her comp through ssh so she doesn't notice ;)12:22
YagisanNafallo: amd64 boxes are quicker - even with 32bit code12:22
raphinkshe'll only notice it's a bit slow sometimes ;)12:22
raphinkhehe12:23
raphinkcreating an i386 chroot takes about 10 minutes12:23
NafalloYagisan: yea, but then I have to use a chroot :-P12:23
raphinkif you're not too fast12:23
raphinkNafallo: really setting up a chroot is very easy12:23
raphinkI have 2 running on this box12:24
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raphinkNafallo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot12:24
raphinkNafallo: that takes you through the whole settings of a chroot ;)12:24
Nafalloraphink: I know. but I would rather have pbuilder cross-compile and give me both amd64 and i386 in one go :-)12:24
raphinkoh sure12:24
raphinkfor some reason, I use both pbuilder and dchroot ;))12:25
raphinknot for the same purpose12:25
raphinkdifferent tools for different things :)12:25
raphinkif you just want to build stuff for i386 then sure pbuilder is better ;)12:25
NafalloI use pbuilder login :-)12:25
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Nafalloanyway. have to go after this upgrade.12:26
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viviersfguys12:29
viviersfnm12:29
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raphinkRiddell: are you there?12:56
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ajmitchcrimsun: bug reports on forums, of all places, about python-wxgtk2.4 not installing (bad postinst)01:03
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crimsunajmitch: thanks, I'll look01:07
=== Yagisan wonders if tweaking wine's cflags for speed is worth it
MithrandirYagisan: it's not01:08
Mithrandirunless you _know_ that you want something else than -O2, you don't01:09
YagisanMithrandir: just idle thoughts now they are implementing directx.01:11
MithrandirYagisan: -O2 is generally the fastest anyway01:12
\shYagisan: please don't upload this package to revu...put it somewhere else where I can access it :01:13
\sh)01:13
YagisanMithrandir: yep, but some of the other flags are helpful too depending on the source01:14
Yagisan\sh: I'll host it on my adsl connection then - 256K up01:15
\shbrb01:15
MithrandirYagisan: oh, like?01:16
TreenaksMithrandir: the CPU-specific ones! don't you read the Gentoo forums?01:18
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lucasraphink:01:20
lucasthe best would be to store the notes elsewhere01:20
YagisanMithrandir: On some sources, -fweb, -funswitch-loops, and -ftracer can have an effect. -fomit-frame-pointer is nice on i386, but you can't debug with it01:20
lucasI could easily fetch them, it's only a text file01:20
YagisanMithrandir: but unless you want to sit there and measure it to be sure, it may not be worth it. I also observe that optimising for size01:21
YagisanMithrandir: can sometimes be faster then -O201:21
\shYagisan: this is gentoo logic :)01:22
raphinklucas: hi01:22
raphinklucas: to store them where then?01:22
lucason the wiki maybe01:22
Yagisan\sh: Only some apps that are cpu bound are worth testing like that01:22
lucasI'll try to implement that later today01:22
raphinklucas: ok01:22
Yagisan\sh: on all apps, it's a waste of time01:22
raphinklucas: then the best is that you create the wiki page you want to fetch from it01:23
\shYagisan: well...apps like mplayer etc. are bringin in most of the time their own cflags ...01:23
raphinkwith something like a table to put the notes in01:23
Yagisan\sh: not my mplayer package ;)01:23
\shYagisan: that's why many users of gentoo were fcked while they tweaked their cflags to hell..and were wondering that mplayer never worked properly01:23
Yagisan\sh: sed is your friend :)01:24
raphinklucas: superkaramba is also to be nuked from the list01:25
Yagisan\sh: its a very bad idea to obsessively tweak cflags for all apps - things break. things like xvid, x264 tend to benefit most01:25
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Czessi\sh: my package is now in revu01:45
\shCzessi: cool01:46
Czessihttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=145701:46
Czessibut iam now away for the next hours01:46
\shk01:48
\shCzessi: advocated...everything is ok :) wow :)01:57
\shI wonder how amu is managing it, to catch the right people ;)01:58
Czessi\sh: *falling down from my chair* ;)01:58
\shCzessi: now you need a second vote...and your first package will be uploaded :)01:59
Czessi:D01:59
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Czessi\sh: iam away, see you later, bye02:00
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\shCzessi: ok :) have fun :)02:00
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lucascan somebody install elinks on tiber ?02:02
lucassiretart ?02:03
\shelinks?02:03
lucasconsole web browser02:03
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lucasI need to be able to do a links -dump on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUNotes02:03
\shlynx -source ?02:03
lucaslynx is not installed02:04
\shbut anyways..installed02:04
\shnow02:04
\shelinks02:04
lucasand probably doesn't support HTTPS02:04
lucasthanks, it works perfectly02:04
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=== Yagisan sighs. after a very long wine build I just realised I'll have a name space collision between the 64bit and 32bit packages
Yagisanbut on the bright side, I did make 32bit packages for amd64 and i38602:10
\shYagisan: I told you :) you have to cover some things :)02:12
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\shYagisan: first of all, we have to create a wine64 package with real win64 dlls inside...which can be done via if arch == amd64 in the rules file and adding a --enable-win64 or something like this to the configure statement...then we need a new package for wine64-compat32 or something similar where all the 32bit libs are in (which are build for amd64 on i386 buildd) but we have to make sure, that they're installed in a different place...to no02:13
Yagisan\sh: yeah, I know - but it's a start. most of the groundwork is there02:14
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\shYagisan: let me have a look...on how I can build a wine64 package...if this is done...you can grab the package and add your 32bit compat stuff...02:14
\shYagisan: the most difficult part about it, it's the different location for those libs02:15
Yagisan\sh: want my current package ?02:15
Yagisan\sh: it's well documented02:16
\shYagisan: no...I need only the rules file...but first let me create this amd64 package :)02:16
Yagisan\sh: you'll need more then the rules file02:16
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sistpotyhi folks02:16
Yagisan\sh: I'm just waiting for my amd64 dapper pbuilder to finish being created02:17
sistpotyis kubuntu@czessi.net here? (regarding kiso upload)02:17
\shsistpoty: he is just gone...what about kiso?02:17
sistpotythe orig tarball is changed02:18
sistpotythis is a nogo for me :(02:18
\shwhat?02:18
tsengsistpoty: if you update the same revision to revu why does it diff backwards02:19
tsengsistpoty: it is --- new +++ old02:19
sistpoty\sh: also it's explained in debian/changelog that the orig-tarball is modified... just to quiet lintian is no reason to do so02:19
Yagisan\sh: my current rules for wine02:19
sistpotytseng: it shouldn't actually (checking)02:19
tsengsistpoty: look at openvpn-admin02:20
\shYagisan: can you send it to me via email?02:20
tsengsistpoty: in the second upload i did s/cowbell/openvpn-admin in rules02:20
tsengsistpoty: it shows the reverse (and shows the old diff.gz)02:20
Yagisan\sh: yep -  I see dcc failed02:20
sistpotytseng: it shows it right... you need to select the latest upload first02:21
tsengoh?02:21
tsengok02:21
sistpotytseng: it will always debdiff between the upload you clicked on and the one of the debdiff link02:21
sistpoty(so you can do reverse or forward debdiffing to your liking)02:22
\shoh yes...I see...02:22
sistpoty\sh: strange enough for almost every second package I reviewed the orig-tarball was changed :(02:23
\shwell...for gajim I used the tar.bz2 which I repackaged to tar.gz...but right now it doesn't matter, because we are just upstream for gajim ;)02:23
lucasok, the comments on MOTUNotes now show up in the lists02:24
sistpotyhehe02:24
lucasnow integrating sistpoty's merge info02:24
sistpoty\sh: well, repacking is sometimes necessary... ;)02:24
\shsistpoty: I adjusted my decision...thx for pointing it out :)02:24
Yagisan\sh: emailed02:25
sistpoty\sh: you're welcome ;)02:25
\shsistpoty: but actually it's a little mistake...the package itself is quite nice :)02:25
\shYagisan: thx02:25
sistpoty\sh: just building it... and it looks quite good02:25
Yagisan\sh: email arrive yet ?02:28
\shYagisan: yepp..02:28
Yagisan\sh: hmm - you don't seem to happy. what's wrong ?02:29
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bmontygood morning everyone02:29
YagisanG'day bmonty02:30
\shYagisan: the wine app (in /usr/bin) do we need a 32bit version on amd64 as well, for 32bit compatiblity, right?02:30
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Yagisan\sh: yes. I think we should leave the name of the app as wine, as many (3rd party) scripts need it02:30
\shYagisan: or will wine (real 64bit) start up with the 32bit libs, if it finds out that the windows app I want to start is 32bit?02:30
Yagisan\sh: no. we need to write a wrapper ousrselves02:31
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Yagisan\sh: I'd like to concentrate firstly on getting 32bit wine on amd64 going, then 64bit wine, and finally a wrapper02:32
\shYagisan: ok...so the problem is right now, to find a way to move all 32bit stuff to a new location...where we don't clash with the 64bit stuff02:32
Yagisan\sh: yes. I can just mv /lib to /lib32, but we don't have a /bin3202:33
\shYagisan: no, we have to do it directly...if I'm enabled wine for 64bit, the default package has the content of wine6402:33
bmontyhmm....merge page is looking really good :)02:33
\shYagisan: another question....do we need linux32 for it to start it in 32bit mode?02:34
Yagisan\sh: no. linux32 just makes the arch appear to be i686 when asked02:35
\shI'm a sucker somehow...I never used wine...everytime I wanted to use it, my application I needed wasn't running with wine...02:35
bmonty\sh: that is my experience with wine as well02:35
Yagisan\sh: I know - it breaks on me too02:35
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Yagisan\sh: but virtualdub can't be ported, so I keep trying02:36
\shhmm..what I pressed now?02:37
Yagisan\sh: do you have an amd64 system there ?02:38
\shYagisan: let me think about a good solution...how we can deal with the clashes and the namespace02:38
\shYagisan: yepp...but without a monitor..so I can only run it via ssh -X02:38
Yagisan\sh: mv * *-64 ?02:38
Yagisan\sh: also need to automagically adjust debian/files based on the version number02:40
\shno..I want to have the wine64 stuff the same way as it is on i386...but the wine32 compat stuff on amd64 must be named differently...the question is, the libs we can move to /lib32, I'm not sure, if we have to compile this beast again with the new location..or just add something to LD_LIBRARY_PATH02:40
\shI would like to see something like this on amd64: wine (for 64bit version) and wine32 for the compat thing02:40
sistpoty\sh: kiso is really nice work... if the next upload changes only the orig-tarball, and you review it before me, you can upload it ;)02:40
\shsistpoty: ok :)02:40
Yagisan\sh: just move the libs. ldconfig will scan the libs on install anyway02:41
\shYagisan: but we will have a name clash with /usr/bin/wine02:41
bmontyquick question, what are you all using for an editor/IDE for python?02:41
sistpotybmonty: vi ;)02:42
\shbmonty: emacs, vi, or eric :)02:42
Yagisan\sh: yes - we need to rename or move the binaries02:42
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sistpotybmonty: but apart from that I've once played with eric, which is cool for debugging. I've heard eclipse would be quite good as well02:42
bmontyI'm using vi, but I didn't know eclipse spoke python also02:42
sistpotybmonty: didn't test it yet... just read about it02:43
\shYagisan: I'll think about a good way to do it...need to rest a little..02:43
bmontysistpoty: I'll have to look in to that02:43
\shwell..eclipse is heavy stuff for python :)02:43
\shto just edit a single source ,)02:43
bmonty\sh: yeah, but I like eclipse02:44
sistpoty\sh: you can do big projects (like revu2) in python as well :P02:44
bmontyespecially when there are multiple source files02:44
\shI like eric because it has a nice project management and only needs libqt pyqt02:44
Yagisan\sh: feel free to email me changes02:44
\shsistpoty: hehe..I meant for "just a quick edit" ...02:45
sistpotyhehe02:45
\shanyways...at 15:00 UTC there is CC meeting..I have to rest at least one hour or so02:46
azeem\sh: didn't you say you had an interview yesterday?  How did it work out?02:46
\shwell...I wasn't happy with myself...I started the day with stress..and during the interview, I just forgot everything I knew..the easiest questions...well..I managed somehow...and I will wait for them to call me again :)02:48
\shI will see02:48
azeemhrm :-/02:48
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\shbest thing was "how is traceroute working"...actually I explained it a couple of months ago during my juniper training to the other people....and yesterday I just forgot everything about it...my head felt empty02:50
Riddellraphink: hi02:50
raphinkhi Riddell02:50
azeem\sh: you should have side-stepped the question and discuss whether traceroute should be in /bin or /sbin ;)02:51
bmontylol02:51
\shazeem: well..I should have told them that traceroute is not the standard on linux anymore...now it's named tracepath :)02:51
bmontyyeah, the was bugging me this morning...02:51
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\shbmonty: apt-get install traceroute and you feel home :)02:52
Yagisan\sh: I thought it was mtr ...02:52
bmonty\sh: I figured out that it is tracepath and I'm happy :)02:52
bmontyapropos is your friend02:52
\shok..going to sleep at least one hour...see you at the meeting02:54
sistpotycya \sh02:54
bmontycya later \sh02:54
Yagisanbye \sh02:54
bmontyI'm hoping my update completes before I have to leave for my plane02:54
bmontyand...doh its downloading openoffice :(02:55
Yagisanthat's what 300mb ?02:55
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bmontyYagisan: its working on a 25mb file right now02:56
bmontyoh well, I'll probably have to cancel it02:57
bmontyhave a great day!02:58
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mgalvinhi all, i uploaded an updated gperfection icon theme package and a new the widget factory package to revu03:09
mgalvinjust a heads up, in case any might have time to review them, thanks03:10
mgalvins/any/any one/03:10
lucashttp://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/unimultiverse.html now includes sistpoty's info :-)03:29
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thierry_sispoty : what do you mean by you should provide/conflict libfxscintilla-dev  ?03:32
sistpotythierry_: did you take a look at the library packaging guide?03:34
thierry_yes, but not for that, wait a minute...03:34
sistpotythierry_: look for the -dev package section, it's explained pretty good there (probably better than i can now ;)03:34
thierry_sistpoty : and I put conflict and provides in control file?03:37
sistpotythierry_: yes03:38
thierry_k03:38
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thierry_*sigh, I think there will be a third entry for my package in REVU list...03:39
thierry_sispoty : will you be able to fix this?03:40
sistpotythierry_: sure03:41
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thierry_sistpoty : is it normal now that my package is name libfxscintilla?03:46
sistpotythierry_: yes, the sourcepackage should be named libfxscintilla, or fxscintilla (both would be valid)03:46
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Yagisanheh - wine FTBFS as 64bit03:49
raphinkcc time :)03:59
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thierry_sistpoty : sent the new package to REVU, you should now delete libfxscintlla1.6 and libfxscintilla1704:12
sistpotythierry_: ok, I've archived those04:13
thierry_k04:14
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Yagisan\sh: wine FTBFS on amd64 native. I reported the bug upstream here http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=428104:44
UbugtuError: Unknown bugtracker04:44
Yagisan\sh: I'll do some final cleanup on the package tomorrow, I also was given a suggestion on how to fix the naming issue04:45
Yagisan\sh: if you have any changes - please email me04:46
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hubanyone knows how to tell apt-get source to fetch a specific version?04:53
azeemhub: apt-get source foo=3.2.-04:53
azeemeh, 3.2-1, whatever04:53
hubnopr04:53
hubdoes not work04:53
azeemdoes apt-cache showsrc foo | grep Vers say 3.2-1?04:54
dholbach-t <distro> should work now too04:54
dholbach-t breezy or whatever you have in apt/sources.list04:54
hub-t does not work04:55
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hubazeem: well, I apparently messed up with that04:55
hubworks now04:55
hubazeem: thanks04:57
azeemcheers04:58
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dereks_\sh: ping05:30
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Riddellsmurf handles all the loco stuff right?05:42
tsengyes05:43
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LaserJockdo you guys think it would be nice to have the package name in the Subject of Malone emails?05:45
LaserJockI get all these emails from ubuntu-bugs and a lot of the time I have to actually look at the email to find out what package the bug is in. Most of the time I like scanning for packages I know.05:46
sistpotyLaserJock: it would be good imo, but I would need to update the mail-parser from the merge list :(05:47
sistpotyd'oh.... s.th. smelling burned inside my computer05:49
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Riddellwhat is smurf's e-mail?05:49
Riddellah, foudn it05:51
Riddellfound it05:51
psusielectronics contain magic smoke that makes them work... once they let out the magic smoke, they don't work no more ;)05:51
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sistpotyhehe05:51
LaserJockman, on Saturday the laser down the hall started smoking05:52
LaserJockIt blew lik 5 fuses and a hug capacitor and now we have to send the whole thing back for repair05:52
LaserJockhmmm, my e key wasn't working so well05:53
LaserJockanyway, I bet it will be ~$10K for repair :(05:54
LaserJockand my boss is gone to London for vacation05:54
sistpotyhm... maybe it's may graphic card... fan doesn't seem to be running05:55
Yagisansistpoty: turn the pc off, and get a small brush to clean the fans. It's most likely clogged with dust06:00
Yagisannight all06:00
sistpotyYagisan: well, I "repaired" the fan once, maybe that's a result from it... thx for the tip06:01
sistpotygn8 Yagisan06:01
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segfaultanyone? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1397 :-)06:12
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sistpotyraphink: for konq-kim, do you want to wait for the next upstream version?06:24
psusia can of compressed air goes a long way06:25
raphinkyes sistpoty06:33
sistpotyraphink: ok, then I'll archive this one06:33
raphinksistpoty: I mailed the dev about that somet ime ago06:33
raphinksistpoty: sure :)06:33
raphinksiretart: shall I close Malone #5214 ?06:35
UbugtuMalone bug 5214: "superkaramba: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: superkaramba (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/521406:35
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raphinksiretart: it's an old one you opened months ago06:36
raphinkso I think it's obsolete06:37
sistpotyraphink: please wait a moment... I think the email-parser, which sets bugs to fixed broke06:37
sistpoty(on the merge-list)06:37
raphinkoh ok06:37
raphinkwell it's a very old one06:37
raphinkfrom november06:37
sistpotygrml... no the email-parser seems fine. lpbugs won't set bugs to fixed any longer :(06:39
sistpotyraphink: if you've checked the buildlogs and they are fine, you can set them to fixed06:40
sistpotyset the bug to fixed, even06:40
raphinksistpoty: this source is obsolete06:40
raphinkI don't really mind whether it was built or not06:40
raphinkit shouldn't exist anymore06:40
raphink;)06:40
sistpotyah, I recall :)06:41
raphink;)06:41
sistpotyraphink: does it still exist in debian?06:41
raphinkso I should mark it as fixed?06:41
lfittldholbach: ping06:41
raphinksistpoty: well the source yes, but it's not used imo06:41
sistpotyraphink: if the source is still in debian, don't mark it as fixed... otherwise it would have the chance to get to new back again (once i update the list)06:41
dholbachlfittl: pong06:42
sistpotyraphink: probably rejected or won't fix would be good06:42
raphinksistpoty: I've put a comment on lucas' merge list about this06:42
raphinkok06:42
raphinkthat's what I wanted to know06:42
raphinkif I should reject it06:42
raphinksistpoty: i'll mark as rejected with an explanation06:43
sistpoty:)06:43
raphinksistpoty: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/superkaramba/+bug/521406:44
UbugtuMalone bug 5214: "superkaramba: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: superkaramba (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Rejected http://launchpad.net/bugs/521406:44
raphinkthere06:44
raphink:)06:44
raphinkhmm06:44
raphinkdoesn't print the explanation06:44
raphinknm06:45
sistpotynever mind... siretart will get the mail with the explanation06:45
raphinkok :)06:46
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elektranoxin dapper - nautilus is a small bug with the rights of a file...sometimes they couldn't be changed with nautlius Oo07:14
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LaserJockelektranox: have you tried finding a bug report at bugzilla.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net/malone ?07:17
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LaserJockhi minghua07:20
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sistpotycya07:20
LaserJockcya sistpoty07:20
minghuahi LaserJock07:28
minghuaLaserJock: thanks for your efforts on motu-science07:29
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LaserJockminghua: do you think it is worth while?07:36
LaserJockminghua: I hope I am getting somewhere07:36
minghuaLaserJock: yes, I think it's very worthwhile07:39
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Gloubiboulgaevening07:39
minghuaLaserJock: I think motu-science can be a very good playground for potential science packages to eventually enter debian07:39
LaserJockminghua: I agree07:40
LaserJockminghua: I just got my first package (plotdrop) into universe and I just filed an ITP yesterday07:40
minghuaLaserJock: and if we have a team, and a centralized page and repository (aka universe), there is a better chance things will happen07:41
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minghuaLaserJock: yes I saw your ITP :-)07:41
LaserJockminghua: you did?07:41
LaserJockminghua: sistpoty got me an account on tiber.tauware.de so now I can host some cool pages with package versions etc.07:42
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minghuaLaserJock: yes, on debian-devel list07:43
LaserJockminghua: check out the links on wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUScience07:43
LaserJockminghua: under "Ubuntu and Debian Packages"07:43
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LaserJockminghua: and I found out from Keybuk that packages.qa.debian.org links to the Ubuntu patches so everthing is right there for DDs to get the Ubuntu patches07:45
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minghuaLaserJock: ok, will look at them, quite busy recently though07:48
LaserJockminghua: np, I think I will email debian-science an overview of what is available for DDs to get Ubuntu patches07:49
LaserJockminghua: maybe a little info will help the situation a bit07:50
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psusihow would backporting a package differ from patching it?08:03
psusiif I want to backport a package from dapper to breezy, could it be as simple as getting the dapper sources and pbuildering it?  ( assuming that actually works ) or is there some special way to version it?08:03
Mithrandirpsusi: your fix for e2fsprogs would break ia64, so upstream considers it not a good idea.08:09
psusiMithrandir: how would it break ia64?08:10
psusiI just made it compatible with the kernel header, which works on ia64, so it should too?08:10
Mithrandirpsusi: __s64 is signed long on ia64, not signed long long.08:10
psusiohh...08:10
psusiin the kernel headers that's how it is defined?08:11
psusistrange that it woul be long long on amd64 and just long on ia6408:11
psusibtw... does malone not distinguish between releases?  it doesn't seem to have anywhere ot specify weather it is a bug in dapper or breezy08:11
psusiMithrandir: isn't there a #define that tells you which platform you are being built on?08:12
Mithrandirpsusi: eww.08:12
psusimaybe the e2fsprogs header should be changed to use that instead of picking based on sizeof()?08:13
Mithrandirpsusi: there is, but I don't think that's a very nice way to go about08:13
psusiwell, if it really is defined differently on amd64 and ia64, I see no other way to get the correct definition08:13
Mithrandirchange it to use uint64_t and int64_t08:13
psusithat isn't correct either because that's not how the kernel headers do it08:14
Mithrandir*shrug*, so?  As long as it's correct and __s64 is the same as int64_t, always, I don't see the problem.08:14
psusithe problem it caused for me was that defrag was including both e2fsprogs and kernel headers... and they differed in how they defined the those types, which causes a compiler error08:15
psusiso however it gets defined, it needs to be the same in both places08:16
Mithrandirnot if e2fsprogs doesn't define it and doesn't use it.08:18
psusihuh?  it does define it08:19
psusiit just defines it in a different way than the kernel headers08:20
Mithrandirin the hypotetical case that e2fsprogs were fixed to not define it and not use it.08:20
psusiahh... well, that would work too I suppose08:20
psusibut that's not going to happen any time soon08:23
Mithrandirwhy not?08:23
psusithat would take a fair amount of work from upstream08:24
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psusimuch simpler to just get the existing definition to jive with the kernel definitions08:24
Mithrandirit's two lines of sed, not that hard.08:24
psusiwell... heck.. ok.... propose both to upstream and as long as they do one of them soonish, I'm happy ;)08:25
MithrandirI've mailed tytso this morning, so..08:25
psusinow... question... the p7zip in breezy segfaults left and right for me... I just got the dapper version and it built fine on breezy and appears to be working much better... how would I go about getting that into backports?08:26
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LaserJockazeem: ping?08:39
azeempong08:40
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azeemLaserJock: ^^08:42
LaserJockazeem: did you see malone bug 564308:42
UbugtuMalone bug 5643: "[patch]  Ghemical .desktop file is not so good (absolute path, missing stuff, invalid stuff)" Fix req. for: ghemical (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/564308:42
azeemhrm, yeah I think I saw that08:42
bmontyhey LaserJock08:43
azeemI'm at the uni still though, so I can't commit anything to my local package08:43
LaserJockhi bmonty08:44
LaserJockazeem: but do you want to have us sync it from Debian?08:45
azeemwell, I guess I'll fix it with the next upload (if I do not forget), but I wanted to have amd64 back first08:46
azeemif you need it fixed now, that's fine as well, and I'll sync back to Debian08:47
bmontyLaserJock: do you have a patch?08:47
LaserJockazeem: well it isn't a big issue I was just trying to clean up the ghemical malone bugs08:48
LaserJockazeem: there are a couple about AMD64, are you working on that or is that going to take a new release?08:49
azeemupstream said they would, but it might take a while08:49
bmontyI can upload the desktop patch now if there aren't any other issues08:49
azeemI should try to fix them, but I didn't get around doing so yet08:49
LaserJockbmonty: the patch is on malone bug #564308:51
UbugtuError: Could not parse data returned by Malone: Connection to Malone bugtracker failed: The read operation timed out08:51
bmontygot it08:51
LaserJockalso, I am not sure what to do with malone bug 563208:52
UbugtuMalone bug 5632: "Ghemical won't start up (breezy amd64)" Fix req. for: ghemical (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/563208:53
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LaserJockI mean, the apparently the ATI driver was the problem08:54
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bmontyLaserJock: I think malone 5632 will require upstream to fix08:58
UbugtuMalone bug 5632: "Ghemical won't start up (breezy amd64)" Fix req. for: ghemical (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/563208:58
bmontyLaserJock: we should also open a bug in Debian's BTS to have them push this patch into the debian version of the package09:00
LaserJockbmonty: the .desktop patch?09:01
bmontyLaserJock: yes09:01
LaserJockbmonty: ok, I can do that. That way azeem will remember better ;-)09:03
bmontyk, I uploaded the patch to ubuntu09:03
bmontythis is fun....bugfixing in an airport :)09:04
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LaserJocklol09:04
zakamebmonty: w00t09:05
zakameooh free (speech) flash, finally09:08
jamessanzakame: wasn't that what libflash-* was? this is just promoted by the FSF and funded so it's actually made it further than previous projects09:10
zakamejamessan: hmm, indeed :)09:11
Treenaksit doesn't Work?09:15
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bmontygnash doesn't look ready for primetime yet though...no firefox plugin working yet09:20
LaserJockanybody know of a simple way of testing if exim4 is working?09:21
bmontytelnet to it09:22
LaserJockyou can telnet to it?09:22
bmontyyup...telnet host 2509:22
LaserJockisn't that kindof a security problem09:22
zakamenot really09:24
bmontyLaserJock: no, it is essentially the same as what your SMTP client does minus the telnet control stuff09:24
LaserJockI just wanted to test if I can send out mail to my smtp server. I don't want to be able to receive mail.09:24
zakamewb siretart :)09:24
bmontyLaserJock: you asked for any easy why to test it :)09:25
bmontyyou could also look at the logs on the server and see if it shows the connections09:25
LaserJockok, well I think I am blocking telnet because I get a connections refused09:25
LaserJockif I installed mutt would I be able to send a test email out?09:25
bmontydid you put the 25 on the end of the telnet command?09:26
LaserJockyeah09:26
bmontythen you are blocking the default port for SMTP or your server isn't running09:26
LaserJockwell, is it ok to block the SMTP port? Will I still be able to send mail out?09:27
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bmontynot if you block smtp in both directions09:28
LaserJockok, so when I do /etc/init.d/exim4 status I get "19952 daemon: -q30m, listening for SMTP on [127.0.0.1] :25"09:28
bmontyok, so it is only listening on the loopback, so it will only accept connections from the local machine09:30
LaserJockok, well that sounds good09:30
bmontyprobably what you want :)09:30
LaserJockOK, I installed mutt and sent a quick email out and it worked.09:34
LaserJockbmonty: I sent a bug report to Debian about the .desktop and referenced the malone bug. Does that sound right?09:35
bmontyyeah, you should also reference the BTS bug in the malone bug report09:36
zakameyep09:36
LaserJockbmonty: k09:36
bmontyLaserJock: you might want to add a link to malone in case the debian dev doesn't know what malone is09:38
LaserJockbmonty: the Debian maintainer is azeem ;-)09:39
bmontyahhh, nevermind :)09:39
Mezpsusi - email the backprts mailing list about it - ubuntu-backports@lists.ubuntu.com09:43
LaserJocknow that I got the mail thing figured out I gotta go see if I can get my package into Debian and work on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide :-)09:43
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zakamewb Kyral09:44
LaserJockKyral: Hi!09:44
LaserJockKyral: haven't seen you for a while09:44
bmontyhey Kyral09:44
zakamegaah09:45
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bmontythey just called my flight....so gotta go, cya all later!09:50
dholbachbye bmonty - good flight :)09:52
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zakameheya luk , Hobbsee :)10:10
Hobbseehey zakame :)10:10
LaserJockhi Hobbsee10:17
Hobbseehi LaserJock :)10:17
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CzessiHi, can anyone review my package, pls? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=146410:24
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thierry_anyone who would like to review my package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=145910:25
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KyralIs anyone working on this right now http://everygui.sourceforge.net/?10:34
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LaserJockKyral: is EasyChem in the universe repo yet?10:36
KyralLaserJock: yah10:36
Kyralhas been10:36
LaserJockKyral: do you want to get it into Debian?10:36
KyralLaserJock: yah10:37
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LaserJockKyral: azeem (Michael Banck) offered to sponsor chemistry related packages you should file and ITP and let him know when you have it ready to go10:38
Kyralokay10:38
KyralLemme settle back to school ;P10:38
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LaserJockKyral: fine, I just wanted to let you know10:38
Kyralhooo10:39
Kyralits a Python thing10:39
KyralI think I can use cdbs python-distutils10:39
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KyralI'm gonna send an email to the author asking if he would be alright with me packing it10:42
zakamew00t10:43
thierry_I want to package something but dependencies doesn't get reviewed :(10:47
Kyralheh10:48
Kyralmeh...how do I force a version10:48
zakameset it in debian/changelog10:48
Kyrallike the origiinal tarball is 0.99.b and dh_make is throwing a fit10:48
zakamehow come, what's the previous ver?10:49
Kyrali guess .a?10:49
zakamehm, doesn't uupdate -v 0.99.b work (if its a new upstream version)10:51
KyralIt isn't packaged10:51
Kyralat all10:51
zakameah :(10:52
Kyralcan I just rename the tarball?10:53
zakamewhat's the original name?10:53
Kyraleverygui-0.99.b.tar.gz10:53
zakameooh, so that's why10:54
KyralYah I know its why lol10:54
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KyralHow do I make DH_Make behave10:56
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zakamecan you pastebin the err?10:56
Kyralhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/691910:58
zakamehm can you unpack the source first, cd to it, then dh_make -c gpl -e kyral@ubuntu.com? skipping -f ...11:00
Kyralah11:01
KyralSame error11:01
Kyraland I have to go to dinner11:01
Kyralleave it in a PMSG mkay?11:01
zakamesure :( I'll try myself11:02
zakamewhere can I find easygui btw?11:02
mr-russis the wiki available to anybody here, it's not working for me atm.11:10
zakame'tis down, and so is LP11:11
mr-russlp?11:11
Nafallodatabase is down11:12
Nafallolaunchpad11:12
LaserJockbummer11:12
mr-russit is a bit, just started the work day here.11:13
LaserJockdoes BTS usually take forever to register a bug?11:14
Nafalloyes11:15
Nafallo:-)11:15
psusiwhat is the 'debian way' to build a package with debug syms not stripped?11:20
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dholbachcd build-tree; DEBUILD_OPTIONS="nostrip" debuild11:21
psusiahhh... I wish there was some equivalent to --help for finding environment variables you can tweek11:23
Nafallohmm11:25
Seveaspsusi, it's called poke_dholbach11:26
Seveas:)11:26
zakamehehe11:26
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psusiheh11:27
Hobbseehehe11:27
psusiOPTIONS=tellmeallyoursecrets command11:27
Nafallohmm11:27
zakamewb ogra_11:27
psusihehe11:27
NafalloI might try that poke_dholbach11:28
Nafallowhat was it for comparing what ARCH I'm on? :-)11:28
NafalloDEB_BUILD_ARCH?11:28
dholbachpoke_dholbach: connection to  dholbach  lost.11:28
Nafalloand x86_64 is the proper for adm64?11:28
Nafallo:-)11:28
NafalloNOOOO! :-11:28
Nafallo:-P11:29
dholbachNafallo: https://wiki.duckcorp.org/DebianPackagingTutorial/CDBS knows11:29
NafalloCDBS, hmpf! ;-)11:29
dholbachit has the variables as well11:30
ajmitchmorning11:30
LaserJockhi ajmitch11:31
Hobbseemorning ajmitch11:31
zakamemorning ajmitch11:31
ajmitchlooks like I  missed another meeting, CC this time?11:32
zakameyep11:32
zakameI missed it too, I thought it was 200011:32
ajmitchno big loss then11:32
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zakamehaha11:33
Nafalloit does?11:33
Nafallodholbach: thanks, but I can't see what if x86_64 is valid for DEB_BUILD_ARCH :-)11:33
ajmitchdpkg-architecture11:34
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ajmitchwe really need a decent place to make requests for universe software11:36
Nafalloagreed11:37
Nafallocall sistpoty :-)11:37
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Nafallooh11:38
Nafallochanged name to amd64 :-P11:38
ajmitchlaunchpad dead again?11:40
Nafalloemperor died11:40
Nafalloznarl contacted I think :-)11:40
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ajmitchah right11:41
ajmitchSPOF11:41
zakamebye all, breakfast :D11:43
lifelessznarl has been contacted11:50
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lifelesseta 30 minutes - some11:50
Nafallo:-)11:50
ajmitchyes, I'd be surprised if noone had noticed & starting working on it11:50
dholbachI'm off guys - have a nice evening.11:51
ajmitchbye daniel11:51
LaserJockcya dholbach11:52
psusidoes pbuilder not respect DEBUILD_OPTIONS?11:52
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ajmitchsigh, yet more f-spot bugs rolling in :)11:52
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tsengeh11:53
tsengill trade you for beagle bugs11:53
ajmitchdebian11:53
tsengeh11:53
tsengill trade you for fighting with jose11:53
ajmitchheh11:53
psusihrm... this program I'm debugging keeps getting signal 32... how do you tell gdb to ignore it and let the program handle it?11:55
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psusithere we go... figured it out11:57
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dholbachPlease remember: BUG DAY tomorrow! :)12:00
dholbacherrr NOW :)12:00
ajmitchheh12:00
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ajmitchyes, you're meant to be sleeping12:00
dholbachSIR, ajmitch, YESSIR!12:01
ajmitchbed! now!12:01
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