[12:21] <spacey_ki> which cms were perfect for (school)intranet agian? 
[12:21] <spacey_ki> moodle? 
[12:22] <Burgwork> spacey, that seems to be the biggest
[12:22] <spacey_ki> hmm
[12:22] <spacey_ki> but we don't need online learning stuff
[12:22] <Burgwork> why go for less
[12:23] <Burgwork> if you choose something else and then want that online learning stuff, you are up a creek
[12:29] <spacey_ki> well its a primary school
[12:32] <Burgwork> spacey, doesn't really matter
[12:32] <Burgwork> online materials are online materials
[12:32] <spacey_ki> Burgwork, you use moodle?
[12:32] <Burgwork> nope
[12:32] <spacey_ki> the kids don't even have their own account
[12:32] <spacey_ki> its mostly for teachers
[12:32] <spacey_ki> so they can exchange info 
[12:32] <spacey_ki> and stuff
[12:32] <spacey_ki> and we can give them some news
[12:33] <spacey_ki> and stuff
[12:35] <Burgwork> again, I wouldn't limit yourself right now
[12:38] <spacey_ki> well moodle is at least well maintained
[12:38] <spacey_ki> as long as we can disable the course stuff
[10:30] <manu_ubu> hello
[10:30] <manu_ubu> ogra: ?
[10:31] <manu_ubu> ogra_ibook: ping ?
[11:11] <jsgotangco> see you guys at the meeting
[11:26] <juliux> could it bee that the dapper installer dont ask how the hostname should be?
[11:28] <mhz> juliux: sorry I can't help with dapper testing yet
[11:28] <mhz> I cant use curretn machine for testing :(
[11:28] <mhz> maybe next week
[11:28] <juliux> ah ok
[11:28] <mhz> juliux: but it does sound strange
[11:29] <mhz> iirc every linux installation (not from scratch ones, though) asks for hostname, right?
[11:29] <juliux> but the installer didnt ask me 
[11:29] <juliux> to my hostname is now edubuntu
[11:29] <ogra_ibook> yup
[11:30] <mhz> yup? as in 'no questions asked' ?
[11:30] <juliux> ogra_ibook, and the locale error is there also if i select in the languag selctor german
[11:30] <ogra_ibook> yup as in no questions asked, right
[11:31] <ogra_ibook> juliux, i told you you cant select the locale in current flight releases, as the notes say 
[11:31] <ogra_ibook> i even repeated the note of the flight2 notes in the edubuntu flight2 announcement
[11:32] <juliux> ogra_ibook, but there also stands "If your system is connected to the Internet, 
[11:32] <juliux>   please use the Language Selector after installation to download 
[11:32] <juliux>   language packs."
[11:32] <ogra_ibook> use the default (english) for installation and change it afterwards
[11:32] <juliux> this i did
[11:32] <ogra_ibook> yes
[11:32] <ogra_ibook> works here
[11:32] <juliux> here not
[11:32] <ogra_ibook> on 5 installs i did
[11:32] <juliux> hm
[11:33] <juliux> i have installed it english and than installed german with the languag selector, but know i get locales errors
[11:33] <ogra_ibook> did you generate de_* locales after installing the langpack ? 
[11:34] <juliux> yes
[11:34] <juliux> without an eror
[11:34] <ogra_ibook> then it should just work 
[11:34] <juliux> but if i want to install something with apt-get i get an locales error
[11:34] <ogra_ibook> as i said, i have seen no problems so far until now
[11:35] <juliux> ok i will test it again
[11:35] <ogra_ibook> it might be that the locales package got incompatible due to the change pitti announced on ubuntu-devel, my installs are all over a week old
[11:36] <juliux> i have here flight2 with no updates
[11:37] <juliux> the error i get i want to do locale-gen know is: de_DE.UTF-8... cannot open locale definition file `de_DE 
[11:37] <ogra_ibook> did you already look in bugzilla ? 
[11:37] <juliux> that i do at the moment
[12:58] <JaneW> **Reminder** Edubuntu Dev Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in +-2 minutes.
[12:59] <juliux> has someone a brand new dapper edubuntu?
[12:59] <jouni__m> juliux edubutu-desktop dapper installed here
[01:00] <ogra_ibook> juliux, yup
[01:00] <ogra_ibook> running it on this ibook
[01:00] <juliux> ogra_ibook, i get an error by mounting the filesystems
[01:01] <juliux> is there any logfile about this on the server?
[02:33] <jsgotangco> so long and thanks for all the fish
[02:49] <spacey_ki> juliux, error mounting what?
[02:54] <mhz> ogra_ibook: so, to review what artwork is being included and images, icons, etc... should I just get the sources of which pkg?
[02:55] <mhz> (i wont be able to try dapper yet)
[02:55] <ogra> you need the daper source of edubuntu-artwork
[02:55] <ogra> there is noting in yet
[02:56] <mhz> ooh
[02:56] <ogra> its only the technical part thats solved yet
[02:56] <mhz> i see
[02:56] <ogra> i will default to the breezy artwork for now
[02:56] <mhz> and do you want /need something for LDM?
[02:57] <ogra> if you have some intresting stuff, go ahead, we can make a ldm-themes package
[02:58] <mhz> ok, let us finish and show what we had in mind and I get back to you
[02:59] <mhz_BBL> thx, ogra for you efforts and patience
[03:00] <ogra> juliux, which filesystem does not mount, can you be a bit more specific ?
[03:53] <lucasvo> http://www.bern.ch/stadtrat/archiv/2004/20040311.pdf
[03:53] <lucasvo> http://wilhelmtux.ch/vpipermail/wilhelmtux-discussion/2006-January/002389.html
[03:53] <lucasvo> edubuntu? :{
[04:02] <juliux> ogra, the error is: mount: mounting /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed: No such file or directory the same for mounting /sys on /root/sys and /proc on /root/proc 
[04:03] <ogra> thats the old nfs error, should work after a client reboot
[04:03] <juliux> and then comes Target filesystem doesent have /sbin/init
[04:03] <ogra> it only happens on first boot attampt
[04:03] <juliux> ogra, hm here not
[04:03] <juliux> i have reboot the thinclient 
[04:03] <ogra> there must be a nfs timeout message somewhere above
[04:04] <ogra> whats the rootserver address, must be above as well
[04:05] <juliux> ah ok
[04:06] <juliux> must i configure the nfs server ?
[04:06] <ogra> oh, and do you have set next-server in the dhcpd config ?
[04:06] <juliux> mom
[04:06] <ogra> its needed now
[04:06] <juliux> ok then is ther my failure
[04:09] <juliux> ogra, my exports looks ok
[04:10] <juliux> what i have to configure for the nfs server?
[04:10] <ogra> next-server in your dhcp config
[04:14] <lucasvo> ogra: what do you think, is edubuntu good enough for 1000pcs in Bern?
[04:14] <lucasvo> maybe workstations?
[04:14] <lucasvo> is there anyone who could give support?
[04:16] <ogra> we have a upport department at canonical, you can buy support
[04:16] <ogra> which probably makes sense at such size
[04:16] <lucasvo> ogra: hm, that is a good thing
[04:17] <juliux> ogra, thanks now he boots up
[04:17] <lucasvo> ogra: what do they offer?
[04:17] <juliux> ogra, i will write it in the german wiki
[04:17] <ogra> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/paidsupport
[04:19] <ogra> juliux, but keep in mind to delete it after dhcpd is fixed
[04:19] <ogra> this wont stay tin this state
[04:19] <ogra> s/tin/in
[04:19] <juliux> ogra, ok i will make a unstable site
[04:20] <ogra> ++
[04:20] <juliux> ogra, and if i find something i will wrote there
[04:20] <ogra> note also that sound is possible now through setting SOUND=on in tls.conf
[04:20] <ogra> *lts.conf
[04:21] <juliux> ok
[04:21] <ogra> would be good to get some testing for it
[04:21] <juliux> at the moment x is up and down
[04:21] <juliux> ah ok
[04:22] <juliux> but at first x must work here
[04:22] <ogra> what kind of graphics card ? 
[04:22] <juliux> cyrix
[04:22] <juliux> the same as in the compaq
[04:22] <ogra> hmm, same problem ?
[04:22] <juliux> nope
[04:22] <ogra> no 32bit support
[04:23] <ogra> and not enough graphics mem
[04:23] <juliux> i see the console for a very short moment and then he tries to switch to the x server
[04:23] <ogra> yes
[04:23] <juliux> and i cannt log in
[04:24] <juliux> :(
[04:24] <juliux> how can i stop the x server?
[04:24] <ogra> so make ltsp-client not start in the chroot and reboot the client and go on with debugging :)
[04:25] <juliux> and how can i stop that?
[04:25] <juliux> in the rc skripts?
[04:25] <ogra> yes
[04:25] <ogra> rc2 is the default runlevel, remove the link there
[04:26] <juliux> i know
[04:39] <juliux> ogra, if the x server failes to start is the any possiblity to kill him? or only to reboot the thinclient?
[04:40] <lucasvo> juliux: ctrl+alt+delete?
[04:40] <juliux> lucasvo, dont work
[04:40] <ogra> doesnt wok with a display manager thats respawning it
[04:40] <ogra> you need to do what i said above
[04:41] <juliux> that i have done
[04:41] <ogra> so your X server shouldnt start
[04:41] <juliux> i have removed the symlink from rc2
[04:41] <juliux> so i get tty1 to login
[04:41] <ogra> good
[04:41] <juliux> and then i change the xorg.conf
[04:42] <juliux> and i get an out of range and then i boot new
[04:42] <juliux> and my question was if there is a way that i dont have to reboot 
[04:43] <ogra> try to run startx and see what it drops out (it wont start with a ro /root, but throw out errors
[04:43] <juliux> ok thanks
[04:45] <juliux> ah 
[04:45] <juliux> i think x runs
[04:46] <juliux> but there is no /root/.xsession file, no /root/.Xsession file no session mangaers, no window managers,no terminal emulators,
[04:46] <juliux> is it right that i must run ltsp-client?
[04:49] <ogra> x runs ? 
[04:49] <ogra> ok
[04:49] <juliux> yes it get a x display
[04:49] <ogra> try running "ldm vt 7" (without quotes)
[04:49] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[04:49] <ogra> probably you need to give it the path 
[04:50] <juliux> ok
[04:51] <juliux> ogra, what does " ldm vt 7" do?
[04:51] <juliux> i see nothing
[04:51] <ogra> start ldm on vt7
[04:51] <juliux> i get a consolen prompt
[04:54] <juliux> http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/1315 this is the ldm.log
[04:55] <ogra> hmm
[04:55] <ogra> right, it doesnt start X
[04:56] <juliux> jup
[04:56] <ogra> and cant find a server to connect to
[04:57] <juliux> what is if i run the ltsp-client skript?
[04:58] <ogra> x will start and respawn endlessly if it fails for some reason
[04:58] <juliux> but x no starts if i start it with startx
[04:58] <juliux> s/no/now
[04:58] <ogra> install xterm in th echroot and make a .xinitrc 
[04:59] <ogra> then run ldm tv 7 from the xterm you started in .xinitrc
[04:59] <ogra> wso you can see the error
[04:59] <ogra> indeed you can try running the ltsp-clinet script, but i'm not sure the error is in X
[05:00] <ogra> so you might end up with a flashing screen again
[05:00] <juliux> i have set the depth to 16 and remove the GLcore
[05:00] <juliux> in the xorg.conf
[05:01] <juliux> yes i get an login screen!!
[05:01] <ogra> oki
[05:02] <ogra> can you try again and leave the GLcore in ? 
[05:02] <juliux> sure
[05:02] <juliux> hm there must be an other failure
[05:02] <ogra> i think i'll just run sed over xorg.conf before startup and replace 32bit generally with 16
[05:03] <juliux> you mean 24bit not 32
[05:03] <ogra> GLcore should just fail silently
[05:03] <ogra> yes, whatever is set there
[05:03] <ogra> some cards call 24bit 32bit
[05:03] <juliux> ah ok
[05:04] <juliux> hm i can log in but then i get an black screen and then i  see the login screen again
[05:04] <ogra> your sshkeys are not right i guess
[05:05] <Yagisan> re 24bit/32bit naming - because accessing as 32bit was faster. they use the extra byte for transparency on some cards. Same colour depth of 16.7M colours though
[05:06] <ogra> ah
[05:06] <mhz_BBL> juliux: ltsp-update-sshkey ?
[05:06] <juliux> mhz_BBL, i know
[05:08] <ogra> juliux, 6 TFTs and cordless mice and keyboards look way more impressive to the girls than a simple switch ;)
[05:08] <juliux> ogra, i know
[05:08] <juliux> ogra, but a swicht cost only 30
[05:08] <ogra> sure
[05:08] <ogra> :)
[05:09] <juliux> ogra, one notebook, one tft, on barebone and 3 thinclients are enough at the moment
[05:09] <juliux> oh i forgot my voip telephone
[05:09] <juliux> know it works
[05:09] <ogra> great
[05:10] <juliux> but i used the vesa driver and not the cyrix driver
[05:10] <juliux> i will test it in the next days
[05:10] <juliux> or weeks
[05:11] <ogra> that would be nice, we need to catch all X bugs ...
[05:11] <juliux> ok
[05:11] <ogra> and i doubt we have many users with trident or cyrix cards apart from thin clients :)
[05:11] <juliux> hehe
[05:11] <ogra> my trident doenst work either 
[05:12] <juliux> many fujitsu siemens thinclients have a cyrix card
[05:13] <juliux> so now i have to learn for my exams
[05:13] <ogra> many ltsp thinclients have a trident card
[05:13] <ogra> :)
[05:14] <juliux> hm the compaq one also have a cyrix card
[05:26] <sivang> ogra: did you get along with what you wanted with g-s-t and edubuntu? I reacalled we talked about it, but no idea where it went ;-)
[05:26] <ogra> nope
[05:26] <ogra> local devices is most likely not seeing dapper
[05:58] <sivang> ogra: ok, blocked by lack of time or soem more human dependencies?
[05:58] <ogra_ibook> lack of time and lack of a real good worked out spec
[06:09] <photonics> hello
[06:10] <photonics> i'm using ubuntu at home, and i wanted to know if there was a way to apt-get install the packages from edubuntu?
[06:10] <ogra_ibook> yup
[06:11] <ogra_ibook> to get the desktop, just install edubuntu-desktop 
[06:11] <ogra_ibook> for the server part (ltsp) use edubuntu-server 
[06:11] <photonics> ah ok, thanks a lot ogra :)
[06:53] <juliux> ogra, can you pls e-mail me your address, so i can send the thinclients tomorrow to you
[06:53] <ogra_ibook> yup
[06:53] <lucasvo> juliux: I can give it to you : lucas vogelsang, turnerstrasse 1, 8006 Zurich, CH :P
[06:53] <juliux> lucasvo, lol
[06:57] <writer> ogra%   "I bet fot WindowMaker because of its simplicity but Oliver and others have pointed that this desktop does not consider the FreeDesktop.org standards"  - Why?
[06:58] <ogra_ibook> no idea why, ask the windowmaker guys
[06:59] <writer> How make XFCE desktop for Edubuntu from sourses?
[07:01] <ogra_ibook> writer, janimo and crimsun are the xfce team ...
[07:02] <ogra_ibook> they made a xubuntu-desktop package available in breezy already ...
[07:02] <ogra_ibook> if you use the edubuntu DVD release, you will be able to optionally install it 
[07:02] <ogra_ibook> (in dapper)
[07:05] <writer> I tried stay XFCE from Synaptic and I saw it in list, but I can't use XFCE. Gnome always for me.
[07:06] <writer> I check now Edubuntu DVD - there are not XFCE
[07:07] <ogra_ibook> in dapper
[07:07] <ogra_ibook> not in breezy
[07:07] <ogra_ibook> in breezy the xubuntu-desktop packages are in universe
[07:08] <ogra_ibook> for dapper they went to main... all of main is on the DVD
[07:13] <writer> dapper=5.10? breeze=6.04? So? Can I see what Edubuntu DVD I have?
[07:13] <Burgwork> writer, yes and edubuntu dvd contains main, restricted, universe and maybe parts of multiverse
[07:14] <ogra_ibook> dapper == next release in the year 2006 (6.) in april (04)
[07:14] <ogra_ibook> Burgwork, err ? 
[07:14] <Burgwork> ogra_ibook, if there is an edubuntu dvd, I was assuming there was and it was similar to the ubuntu one
[07:15] <ogra_ibook> writer, currently there is only the breezy DVD
[07:15] <ogra_ibook> breezy == last release
[07:15] <writer> 5.10? Yes?
[07:15] <ogra_ibook> Burgwork, we dont have anything of uni or multiverse on any DVD in ubuntu, kubuntu or edubuntu
[07:15] <ogra_ibook> writer, yes
[07:15] <Burgwork> ogra
[07:16] <Burgwork> hmm, my bad
[07:16] <ogra_ibook> there are only main and the 10 or 20MB of restricted ...
[07:17] <writer> Thank you all
[07:18] <writer> But how light on XFCE?
[07:19] <ogra_ibook> try it out from universe :) its not big to download (5-10MB)
[07:22] <writer> OK, I have Internet throw GPRS (10M = $1)
[08:26] <jair> hello guys, how are you doing with your LTSPclientsetup?
[08:26] <jair> I am a debian "sarge" user but would like to have a educational thin client lab for the kids at my Organization
[08:27] <jair> the only doubt I have is: I have already my network configured using a "firewall" smoothwall with the ip configuration of 192.168.168.XXX
[08:28] <jair> if I want to use this configuration: "A setup with two network cards in the server" ->url http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtspWiring?action=show&redirect=EdubuntuWiring
[08:29] <jair> all I need is to have a good server 1GB ram or 2GB ram, good HD 250GB and also two nics
[08:29] <jair> right
[08:29] <jair> ?
[08:30] <ogra_ibook> yup
[08:31] <jair> now this new network I wanted to separate it completely to the 192.168.168.xxx
[08:31] <ogra_ibook> thats fine too 
[08:31] <jair> but the thing is that I have already a dhcp server running in another machine (i.e. 192.168.168.7)
[08:32] <ogra_ibook> just note that the ip you are asked for during install will be the one for the thin client part
[08:32] <jair> so i will still need a dhcp server from the eth1-> to the thing clients right?
[08:32] <ogra_ibook> the dhcp server running on edubuntu will start only for the matching interface
[08:32] <jair> eth0 -> will be 192.168.168.120 and then the eth1-> 192.168.0.x
[08:33] <jair> because I want to provide internet to the thin clients
[08:33] <ogra_ibook> so if your thin clients are on eth1 you are fine :)
[08:33] <jair> right
[08:33] <jair> ogra, nice
[08:33] <ogra_ibook> thats no prob at all, note that you run the session on the server....
[08:34] <ogra_ibook> "jair because I want to provide internet to the thin clients" ... i think you mean internet to the users, right ? 
[08:34] <jair> so my gateway currently is (i.e. 192.168.168.2) my gateway in the edubuntu will be 192.168.168.120
[08:34] <jair> in eth0
[08:34] <jair> yes
[08:35] <jair> to the users of the 192.168.0.xxx eth0 edubuntu
[08:35] <jair> sorry
[08:35] <ogra_ibook> then the client network is irrelevant 
[08:35] <jair> to the users of the 192.168.0.xxx eth1 edubuntu
[08:35] <ogra_ibook> you log in to the server, if ine interface on the server has internet access thats fine for the users ... no need to route the thin client network
[08:35] <jair> ohh ok
[08:35] <ogra_ibook> s/ine/one/
[08:35] <jair> because the thin clients are actually running from the server
[08:36] <jair> right
[08:36] <jair> no HD in the clients
[08:36] <jair> just memory
[08:36] <jair> and a cd-rom
[08:36] <jair> how could I will save the files in the server only right?
[08:36] <jair> using nfs or samba??
[08:36] <jair> not samba I think
[08:37] <jair> no windows needed in that network
[08:37] <jair> ;)
[08:37] <ogra_ibook> there are reciepes on the ltsp.org wiki for doing that
[08:37] <ogra_ibook> we dont have a working implementation for local device support in ubuntu yet
[08:44] <jair> ogra_ibook, what do you mean???
[08:44] <jair> ogra_ibook, I will not be able of save documents the students will be working on?
[08:45] <ogra_ibook> you will not be able to save them on a say usb stick on the thin client
[08:45] <ogra_ibook> i misread your question, sorry
[08:45] <ogra_ibook> students save their stuff in their homme directory on the server
[08:45] <jair> nice
[08:45] <jair> cool
[08:46] <jair> but the other idea is good for the future ;)
[08:46] <ogra_ibook> indeed you could mount these from a windows server anywhere else or do other weird things ;)
[08:47] <jair> haha good
[08:47] <jair> perfect thank you for your time ;)
[08:47] <jair> ogra_ibook, I appreciate it
[08:47] <ogra_ibook> the local device support its planned for the october release, so you'll be able to use the Cd roms in the clients
[08:47] <ogra_ibook> or usb sticks or cameras
[08:47] <jair> I will be preparing the server requeriments
[08:47] <jair> right
[08:47] <jair> but in the thins no?
[08:47] <jair> no yet
[08:48] <jair> in the server only
[08:48] <jair> and control it from the server directly
[08:48] <jair> ;)
[08:48] <jair> for 16 computers how much ram I should get??
[08:48] <jair> in the server
[08:49] <jair> ?
[08:49] <ogra_ibook> yup :)
[08:50] <ogra_ibook> count 128M for each client and 256M for the server itself
[09:10] <juliux> ogra_ibook, with 24 depth and glcore he can not load the glcore module and x don t start,  without glcore x also dont startx, with 16 depth and glcore x starts
[09:11] <ogra_ibook> great
[09:11] <ogra_ibook> so we only need to make sure 16bit is set
[09:11] <juliux> yes
[09:11] <ogra_ibook> wonderful
[09:11] <juliux> i will now test if it also works with the cytrix driver
[09:12] <juliux> at the moment the vesa driver is working
[09:12] <ogra_ibook> cytrix will likely work as well ...
[09:12] <ogra_ibook> but test it
[09:15] <juliux> ogra_ibook, cyrix with 24depth dont work, depth 16 here also don t work
[09:15] <ogra_ibook> oh
[09:15] <ogra_ibook> was cytrix autodetected ? 
[09:15] <juliux> no
[09:15] <juliux> vesa
[09:16] <ogra_ibook> ah, k
[09:16] <juliux> and with 16depth i get out of range and cannt kill x with strg+c
[09:16] <ogra_ibook> then cytrix wont work i guess, xorg is able to gess the right driver 
[09:16] <juliux> ok
[09:16] <ogra_ibook> *guess
[09:16] <juliux> i only want test it
[09:44] <ogra_ibook> juliux, 
[09:44] <ogra_ibook> still here ?
[09:44] <juliux> ogra_ibook, sue
[09:44] <juliux> sure
[09:44] <ogra_ibook> try the following:
[09:44] <ogra_ibook> add the line:
[09:45] <ogra_ibook> sed -i -e 's/DefaultDepth\W*[2,3] [4,2] /DefaultDepth    16/' /etc/X11/xorg.conf/xorg.conf
[09:45] <ogra_ibook> to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/init.d/ltsp-client-setup
[09:45] <juliux> hm
[09:46] <ogra_ibook> after the line reading:
[09:46] <ogra_ibook>  dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive -pcritical $xserver_package
[09:46] <juliux> but then you do it for all cards
[09:46] <ogra_ibook> before the "fi"
[09:46] <ogra_ibook> yup
[09:46] <juliux> ok
[09:46] <ogra_ibook> i'll add an option 16_BIT_ONLY for lts.conf if it works
[09:46] <ogra_ibook> so you can set it 
[09:47] <juliux> ok i will test it wait a moment
[09:55] <sivang> ogra_ibook: that is some funky sed'ing :)
[09:55] <ogra_ibook> but works 
[09:55] <ogra_ibook> :)
[09:56] <juliux> ogra_ibook, but here not if i reacitve the ltsp-client in the rc2 
[09:56] <ogra_ibook> hmm, thenn its inn the wrong place....
[09:57] <juliux> wait a moment i boot again
[09:57] <ogra_ibook> put it behind:      configure_x || true
[09:58] <juliux> its my failure
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> i guess it needs its own function later anyway
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> ah, ok
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> so try the firts methis first
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> *first methid
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> gnah
[09:58] <ogra_ibook> *method
[09:59] <juliux> in your sed line was one xorg.conf to much
[09:59] <ogra_ibook> oops
[09:59] <juliux> and i did only copy and past
[09:59] <ogra_ibook> yes, right
[09:59] <ogra_ibook> so it was my fault, sorry
[09:59] <juliux> yes but i dont read the line right
[10:08] <juliux> ogra_ibook, it works
[10:09] <juliux> ogra_ibook, now i will test sound ;)
[10:09] <ogra_ibook> yay
[10:09] <juliux> ogra_ibook, where i must save the lts.conf?
[10:10] <ogra_ibook>       if [ -z "${X_LOW_DEPTH}" ] ; then
[10:10] <ogra_ibook>         sed -i -e 's/DefaultDepth\W*[2,3] [4,2] /DefaultDepth    16/' $xserver_config
[10:10] <ogra_ibook>       fi
[10:10] <ogra_ibook> try that one :)
[10:10] <juliux> puh
[10:10] <juliux> ok
[10:10] <juliux> i will do it tomorrow
[10:10] <ogra_ibook> and set X_LOW_DEPTH = True  in the lts.conf :)
[10:10] <juliux> and where must be the lts.conf?
[10:11] <juliux> i have only one here /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts.conf
[10:11] <ogra_ibook> i think thats how i'll implement it ... 
[10:11] <ogra_ibook> probably the var name should be more descriptive
[10:11] <ogra_ibook> oh
[10:11] <juliux> why dont test against the driver ?
[10:11] <ogra_ibook> no, thats the example
[10:12] <juliux> i know
[10:12] <juliux> but where must be the normal lts.conf
[10:12] <ogra_ibook> because 16bit is also the upstream default and most commercial thin clients only support 16bit
[10:12] <ogra_ibook> because testing against the driver would involve quite heavy xorg changes
[10:13] <juliux> ah ok
[10:13] <ogra_ibook> two reasons to do it this way
[10:14] <ogra_ibook> the lts.conf must be in the etc dir of the chroot
[10:14] <juliux> ok
[10:14] <juliux> but this i will do tomorrow
[10:14] <juliux> gn8
[10:18] <ogra_ibook> night
[11:15] <lucasvo> ogra_ibook: is there any GTK typing program?
[11:26] <Burgwork> lucasvo, none that I know of, but there might be one
[11:28] <lucasvo> might?
[11:28] <lucasvo> because a friend of mine developed a program for my school. Apple/Cocoa
[11:29] <lucasvo> I am thinking of paying him to rewrite it with OmGUI(www.omgui.org) which will be available for win/mac/gtk
[11:31] <lucasvo> I would then sell it as a commercial product, and once got a little bit more than I needed to develop,  I will publish it under GPL
[11:31] <lucasvo> so I just have to find enough schools who will buy it and then I think it should be included into edubuntu
[11:37] <Burgwork> lucasvo, why not wxwidgets
[11:38] <lucasvo> Burgwork: isn't that only windows?
[11:42] <Burgwork> lucasvo, no, is cross platform and quite mature. Uses gtk2 on linux
[11:43] <lucasvo> Burgwork: object orientated C?
[11:43] <lucasvo> LGPL?
[11:43] <Burgwork> http://www.wxwidgets.org/
[11:43] <lucasvo> OMGUI is being designed from the ground up to have an API which makes sense across all supported platforms, which are currently Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac OS X, and GTK+. Not only does this give the developer an API which is easy to understand, it helps to ease the burden of implementing the API, as the API has been designed to work with the underlying system instead of forcing it to try to act like a different platform. This results in a codebase w