=== camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194027.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad [12:20] Merge to devel/launchpad: Fixed the getPOTemplateByPath method + test added [r=kiko] (r2974: Carlos Perell Marn) === carlos -> bed [12:26] emperor should be back [12:26] thanks [12:26] lp started [12:27] hmm, how long should it take to come up? [12:27] less long than it has [12:27] I'm watching logs [12:29] so, lp is not connecting [12:29] hmm, authserver is [12:29] yes [12:30] I can connect manually [12:30] are the app server instances connecting ok, and maybe pound has just gotten confused? [12:30] no === ajmitch_ [i=ajmitch@port162-39.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [12:30] we had stale app server processes [12:31] sure? theinstances haven't beent alking to pound. If I was pound, I'd be upset too [12:31] failed to shutdown properly [12:31] hmm, ok [12:31] there [12:31] its up [12:31] ok, cool, if you're happy, I'm out of here, need to head back to the office [12:31] ok [12:31] pls call if it does down again [12:31] can you spare a sec to say what happened ? [12:32] ok everybody, lp is back [12:33] A roar of appreciation erupts from the crowd [12:34] wonderful === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@raphink.net] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.99.51.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Notoy [n=NpI@200.75.134.106] has joined #launchpad [02:54] hi [02:57] hello === lucasd [n=lucas@200.209.160.171] has joined #launchpad === lucasd [n=lucas@200.209.160.171] has left #launchpad ["Fui] === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-191.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === njs` [i=njs@adsl-66-159-194-130.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad [04:38] Merge to devel/launchpad: [r=jamesh] Implements LaunchpadCapitalization, fixes bug 3508 (All wording for 'gpg' should be 'OpenPGP' when referring to the proposed standard), bug 5317 (Ubuntite/ubuntero consistency), bug 5436 (bug 'secrecy' is confusing), deletes unused templates, and cleans up some interface text (including a typo in ShipIt). (r2975: Matthew Paul Thomas) === njs [i=njs@adsl-66-159-194-130.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad [04:47] woohoo [04:49] afternoon mpt [04:49] hi ajmitch [04:49] will you be at LCA? [04:49] I will [04:49] or is that a silly question? [04:49] good good [04:50] you will be too, I understand? [04:50] yep [04:50] since I saw an email from you on the delegates list [04:51] jamesh: Do we have a scheduled time for doing the bugzilla migration? === ajmitch is attempting to get the forums users to actually use malone - if that's safe === mpt makes Launchpad's middle column 6% wider === stub thinks mpt should go into spam. [04:56] 'Make your middle column 6% wider!' [04:56] Are women unimpressed by your page layout? [04:56] mpt: can I complain about other ui inconsistencies? :) [04:57] No surgery required, CSS comes in pill form! [04:58] ajmitch, as individual bug reports, sure :-) [04:58] mpt: of course, I would hate to break the rules I try & lay down for others :) === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-191.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad === njs [i=njs@adsl-66-159-194-130.dslextreme.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-191.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #launchpad [06:31] ddaa: ping [06:58] jamesh: ping [06:59] lifeless: pong [06:59] can you run the review meeting tonight ? [06:59] okay [06:59] thanks [07:00] only problem with wednesday is debsig & openskills both fall on it [07:02] I'll try to be online, cant guarantee it [07:02] thanks again. 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I thought you had scheduled it at some crazy hour for me so I didn't have to go :-) [10:05] well, we may as well start [10:05] * [10:05] Roll call [10:05] * [10:05] Agenda [10:05] * [10:05] Next meeting [10:05] * [10:05] Queue status, calls for help. === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has joined #launchpad [10:06] jamesh: where's lifeless today? [10:06] SteveA: he is at an openskills meeting, and asked me to run the meeting [10:07] is it convenient to hold the next meeting same time next week? [10:07] ok [10:07] morning [10:08] jamesh: i'll be in a meeting in london, so i may or may not make it [10:08] but now is as good a time as any [10:09] How is everyone's review queue? [10:09] i'm probably not going to get any review done for a while [10:10] I've got two items that I'm working on (Brad's status-notes-as-comments branch and a soyuz UI cleanup branch from Daf) [10:10] there are two items on the general queue at the moment [10:11] so if my queue can be shuffled down a bit, it would help get things done [10:12] SteveA: Bjorn's TicketTrackerEmailInterface branch? [10:13] I can take a look at that after the ones on my queue then. [10:13] ok. i think bjorn is off this week anyway [10:14] I guess that is everything then. [10:14] thanks for running the meeting, jamesh [10:14] (the two items on the general queue had been moved off since I reloaded the page) [10:14] meeting closed. [10:15] morning all [10:15] hi sivan [10:17] Labas Stevai, already in London? === raptoid [n=raptoid@unaffiliated/raptoid] has joined #launchpad === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has left #launchpad [] [10:21] yep [10:22] jamesh, stub, daf, Keybuk: can i have a quick word with you on #c-m ? [10:23] Morning === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [10:27] hi Kinnison [10:28] Kinnison: can you pop onto #c-m ? [10:28] erm yes [10:28] ta === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad [10:33] moin moin === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #launchpad [10:46] moins sabdfl === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@84.12.168.78] has joined #launchpad === raptoid [n=raptoid@81.213.134.147] has joined #launchpad [11:40] Is there a way to unsubscribe somebody I subscribe to a bug by mistake? [11:44] daf/SteveA: do you think there is anything that should be added/removed from https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~jamesh/bugzilla-migration-announcement.txt before being sent out? [11:45] I haven't filled in the time for when we'll have a backup though. [11:45] I mean, when we'd revert if there were problems [11:46] ddaa: afaict it's really hard to undo mistakes you make in launchpad === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-249.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad [11:46] from __future__ import timemachine [11:46] ImportError: no future! [11:49] jamesh: nitpick: capitalise "buugzilla" and "launchpad" [11:50] I can't think of anything missing [11:50] jamesh: ....no later than HHhmm UTC. [11:50] ^^^^^ [11:51] "make the transition smoother" => "make the transition go more smoothly" [11:52] other than that, and daf's capitalisation, seems good [11:53] jamesh: how long will the import take? [11:54] daf: a previous import took about 3 hours [11:54] ok, so perhaps 1800 UTC is a reasonable time to revert by [11:55] should things go wrong [11:57] updated. [11:57] great [11:58] okay, so are we sending it to just u-d-a, or u-a too? [11:59] the wiki page had two separate drafts [12:00] the u-a one being shorter, with a different tone, and referring to the u-d-a announcement for details [12:00] there are two mails on the wiki page, but that's one for before and one after [12:01] on BugzillaImportProcess, I see headings saying "To ubuntu-announce" and "To ubuntu-devel-announce" === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [12:05] daf: yes, and in the "The process" section above, it mentions sending a mail to u-d-a before, and a mail to u-a after. [12:05] ah, I see [12:05] so the question was whether to send the before-migration email to ubuntu-announce too === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083E8DD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad [12:06] I would say either (a) only send the before mail to u-d-a or (b) send the u-a mail after the u-d-a mail but before the migration === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:06] good morning! [12:06] bom dia diogo [12:07] By revert do you mean switch bugzilla back on, or switch bugzilla back on and restore the production database from backup, or switch bugzilla back on and attempt to delete all the stuff that was created by the import process. [12:07] ? [12:07] daf: :) [12:07] stub: Launchpad will presumably be active in the meantime, so I don't think restoring production from backup is the answer [12:08] perhaps the revert plan is under-specified [12:09] stub: the second, I think (restore production db from backup) [12:09] so LP should be down for the migration? === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [12:09] ok. I'll add 'perform a full database backup' to the schedule (we need to allow 1.5 hours for that to run) [12:10] To minimize lossage if we decide to revert [12:10] we should add "announce LP downtime" to the process list [12:11] daf: I don't know if it is worth having shutdown - it is unlikely we will need to revert. [12:11] given the amount of testing we've done, I don't think it is very likely that a revert will be necessary [12:11] well, if translators work on stuff during the migration, and we do have to revert, won't they lose work when we restore? [12:11] the import can be run incrementally [12:11] or are we only planning to restore Malone tables somehow? [12:12] Sure, but we have a 100% chance they will be annoying with a 3 hour downtime window and a small chance they will be annoyed with 3 hours of data lossage. [12:12] good point [12:12] yeah, lp downtime is becoming a severe irritation for people [12:12] I am pretty sure we'd know we needed to revert before 3 hours too :) [12:13] indeed :) [12:13] I see little reason to suspect that things won't go smoothly [12:13] given our test runs [12:21] about step 4 -- the status says "landed, not in production" [12:21] does it need to be in production? [12:21] perhaps it went live yesterday [12:25] Anyone know a page off the top of their head that is pretty likely to timeout? [12:25] /people/+index [12:26] works for me.. [12:26] Mmm.. [12:26] bah [12:26] I could engineer one, but that would be rude [12:27] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+packaging [12:30] daf: this just timed out for me :) === thisfred [n=thisfred@a80-127-80-154.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:40] morning dudes [12:41] jamesh: just add the URL to sign up for launchpad-users === SteveA gets back to meetings === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #launchpad [] [01:00] Friday 13th [01:00] who picked that day [01:00] hehe [01:00] you should switch Bugzilla off at 13:13 ;) [01:00] for added luck === Kinnison sniggers [01:01] how's the switch over looking atm? [01:01] sivang: I think we have nothing to do until Friday morning [01:02] ah, I see. [01:03] jamesh: did you see what I said about step 4? [01:04] jamesh: also, shouldn't steps 10 and 11 be the other way around? [01:09] hihi [01:09] thanks jamesh [01:09] daf: what about step 4? [01:09] lifeless: no problem. [01:11] jamesh: the stap says "landed and is in production", while the status says "landed, not in production" [01:11] jamesh: is that a problem? [01:12] or is it just out of date? [01:12] daf: I just changed it to "done" [01:12] ok, thanks [01:12] daf: it is in as of Monday's rollout [01:12] I suspected as much [01:13] I don't think it matters too much one way or the other about the bugzilla frontpage redirect [01:13] fair enough [01:14] stub, hi, around? === kiko [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === kiko waves [01:19] And thought last year was febrile... [01:20] kiko: after I've dealt with the tax office can we have a chat about soyuz production? [01:21] yes. cprov just produced a diagram that explains how the backend works, pretty cool. [01:23] can we put that on the wiki, next to "Arch is easy, and other lies..." ? [01:30] ddaa: hey - you said you were talking with sabdfl about the imports ? did you mean irc, or the email thread ? [01:30] irc [01:30] I finished explaining the whole issue and my proposal. [01:30] The only lacking bit is sabdfl actually saying yes/no/maybe/later [01:31] so I'd like to think I'm actually making progress on that issue [01:32] heh [01:33] If I have no answer tomorrow, I'll ask management (that is YOU) to get an answer. [01:33] If you wish, I can send you the chat log. [01:34] ddaa, what's the problem? [01:34] lifeless, did you find out why the db died yesterday? [01:34] kiko: obscure details about the bzr log format of rcs imports [01:34] and how to document the conversion was done by launchpad, without being user-agressive [01:35] I don't know if I understood. [01:35] The kind of stuff I would like not to bother sabdfl about, but there's an advertisement issue. [01:35] I doubt you should ask mark about that, really [01:36] He got himself involved before. The asking mark comes from a message from lifeless asking him to approve a format I think is user-hostile. [01:37] So I got everybody involved to agree on a different format, but I still need to get mark to say yes. [01:37] making sense? [01:37] by bzr log format do you mean the format of 'bzr log'? [01:38] Yes. In the Arch imports, Canonical was advertised in the arhive name. [01:39] There is no such thing in bzr, and sabdfl says "the data should be user-friendly but should subtly but visibly say that Launchpad is involved". So some decision has to be made with his approval. [01:39] because of the user or host, I imagine? [01:39] yes, it was something like product@bazaar.canonical.com === bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:41] ddaa, we could still have the committer be in a similar format, couldn't we? [01:41] That is undesirable. [01:41] bug 6648 [01:41] Malone bug 6648: "RCS import should set commiter to user@repo" Fix req. for: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Wishlist, Assigned to: David Allouche, Status: Confirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6648 [01:42] sounds like a similar problem to the malone from: address in a way. [01:42] I have a proposal, but it's significantly different from what sabdfl and lifeless agreed on before. [01:43] It's really user friendly, which means the advertisement is easy to ignore. [01:43] the malone email is directly sent by malone and may contain metadata change information, but a comment is verbatim what the end-user wrote, and the metadata changes are a result of his actions. [01:43] what do you suggest? [01:43] ddaa: chat log would be useful I think [01:44] lifeless: will mail to you, it's long, I need to improve my executive summarizing skills. [01:44] ddaa: np [01:44] thanks [01:46] kiko: do not touch the commit message. Do not add a dummy email address in the committer. Add a revision property "converted-by: launchpad.net". Bzr will be modified soon to display revision properties by default. This property can be extended later to contain more useful information (e.g. "converted-by: launchpad.net from cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/liba52 a52dec MAIN"). [01:47] sounds good. [01:47] and is SteveA around? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad [01:48] kiko: SteveA is in meetings in London [01:49] kiko: and is generally not around [01:50] I know the first part, and I'm unhappy with the second. [01:50] sabdfl is asking me to mail him the chat log right now [01:51] daf, did we ever talk about a specific date for the pair-programming sessions? [01:51] not that I recall [01:51] was there even any mail about it? [01:51] I think there was one message from steve. [01:52] on lp@l.c.c? [01:52] yeah [01:52] I'll dig for it [01:53] aha [01:53] Subject: pair programming sessions, mid-late march [01:53] "Exact dates will be arranged next month" [01:54] (next month being January) [01:56] celso needs to get married in march. [01:56] just like that ? [01:56] we should kick off discussion of dates [01:56] ddaa: heh [01:58] kiko: presumably we're going to start and end on a weekend [01:58] daf, the question is how many weeks. [01:58] jamesh: Hi. Any news on the status notes as comment review? [01:59] Steve's email says "a couple" [01:59] == 2 [01:59] did I mention I'd prefer to have the sprint in London? [02:00] you did, just now [02:00] ddaa, because it's expensive, polluted, cold and has bad weather, worse food? [02:01] because it's more central, lively, has better breakfasts, and frankly scares me less than brazil. [02:01] f) all of the above [02:01] I'm sorry, but I just don't feel comfortable in br. [02:02] But hey, I won't complain (much) either way. [02:12] brazil is scary? [02:12] you should have gone to rio [02:12] better breakfasts than brazil?! === raptoid [n=raptoid@81.213.137.90] has joined #launchpad === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #launchpad [02:13] Bangkok is nice that time of year [02:13] british breakfast are the best in the world, actually that's the only good thing about british cooking :) [02:14] carlos: pong [02:14] stub, hi, would be possible to get the new cherrypick and renable the poimport script before you leave today? [02:14] I tried the cherry pick, but it failed with a bzr error. I've bounced it to lifeless [02:15] stub, ok [02:15] So probably not, unless it is really really urgent in which case I might be able to apply a diff manually or something [02:15] stub, well, we don't have .po imports since last week [02:15] it's urgent but I'm not sure if it's so urgent [02:16] stub, it depends on the time that will take to get it fixed properly [02:16] s/fixed/merged/ [02:16] I'll sort it tomorrow either way. [02:16] If you think tomorrow could be done, we can wait [02:16] ok [02:16] stub, thanks [02:19] kiko: I emailed the launchpad list with the information I have on the db outage. Emperor threw a disk, rebuilt the array with the hot spare, and dropped dead. [02:19] weird. [02:19] panic when the array reported 'everything is fine now' [02:20] the disk was thrown the day before [02:20] admins repaired that and triggered the rebuild [02:20] During the bugzilla migration, will bugzilla entries contribute to a persons karma? [02:20] close ;) [02:21] Seveas, that's a question jamesh and the source code could answer. [02:22] I think it depends if we fixed it so that scripts don't publish karma events, ever. [02:22] I'm not fussed either way. The peoples whos karma will bloat probably deserve it, even if technically they shouldn't get it because it wasn't launchpad usage. [02:23] the people whose karma would bloat are going to be the people who get most karma as they start using Launchpad heavilyu [02:23] indeed [02:24] I've been quite active in the zilla and will do the same in malone [02:24] my karma has bloated a lot since I started using Malone heavily [02:24] I think he reason stub is mostly unfussed is because he doesn't care about karma :) [02:24] will malone post all bug mails to the ubuntu-bug lists the way bugzilla does it now? [02:24] who does? I mean, what are the use cases? [02:25] combined with the malone mail interface that would be very convenient [02:25] Or is there a way to subscribe a mail address to all bug mails? [02:25] I still think the malone mail interface documentation is too hard to find [02:25] Seveas: yes, there is, but we don't want all bug mails to go to the list -- only Ubuntu ones === carlos -> lunch [02:26] see you later [02:26] hmm yeah, that's true... [02:26] I'd love to have a feature that allows me to subscribe to all ubuntu bugs and support requests [02:27] kiko: okay dude, I have a few minutes while I wait for the bank to produce some details I need [02:27] kiko: can I grab a bite to eat and then we'll chat? [02:28] I guess [02:29] Seveas: Malone supports a distro-wide bug contact, which could be set up to get all Ubuntu bugmail, which I presume will be set to a team with the ubuntu-bugs@ address. === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-33-232.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #launchpad [02:30] carlos: any news on the import queue breakage? [02:30] right [02:30] Seveas, you can also ask to be added as a bug contact [02:32] whom to ask? [02:33] Seveas: You can only do that per package, currently [02:33] that's a good question. whoever owns Ubuntu, I suspect. [02:35] bradb: so there's no way to get bugspam for an entire distro/product? [02:35] bradb: or rather, product groups [02:36] sivang: Depends on how it's configured. [02:36] that would be bad [02:36] If you want all Ubuntu bugs, you subscribe to the mailing list that the notices get sent to. [02:36] sivang: I imagine the Ubuntu devs will set the bug contact to a team with the ubuntu-bugs@ email address. [02:36] So, if you're sub'd to u-b@, you'll get all bugmail. [02:36] bradb: ah, right,. that will be ok then [02:36] Same idea with products. [02:37] and product groups ;-) [02:37] then I'll poke some ubuntu devs whether that'll be setup [02:37] and for support requests it's the same i guess? [02:37] kiko: Right, I've gotta go to the bank during today so what I'll do is skip lunch now, and grab something between returning bob's funeral suit and going to the bank [02:37] kiko: so if you have time now, shall we discuss the situation? [02:37] Seveas: I don't know if the same thing exists for support requests. [02:38] Kinnison, sounds okay. what channel? [02:38] Seveas: that would require we setup community-support@ :-) [02:38] kiko: soyuz channel? [02:38] sivang, it would be nice [02:39] because I like getting support requests in the mail much more than polling for them [02:40] Oh, one other thing about the distro-wide bug contacts: you'll only get bugmail from bugs opened after the moment that the bug contact was set. All bugmail generated by bugs opened before that moment will not be sent to u-b@. [02:40] hmm [02:41] can you see whether there xurrently is a distro-wide contact, or hould I be able to see that myself? [02:41] bradb, though we will subscribe u-b@ to all imported bugs during the migration, correct? [02:41] bradb: so it's an explicit subscription? [02:41] hmm, Malone doesn't have an "unpreproducible" status [02:41] kiko: Not that I know of, but jamesh would have to confirm. [02:42] daf: Yes, explicit. [02:42] in a sense, that's the same as "unconfirmed", but I want a status that means "somebody looked at this bug and *tried* to reproduce it, but failed" [02:43] I could reject the bug, but I don't really want to do that [02:43] daf: worksforme ? [02:43] but I have triaged it, so I don't want to leave it unconfirmed [02:43] daf, thatinvalid [02:43] daf, if you are unable to reproduce, you haven't finished triaging it. [02:43] we don't have a worksforme or thatinvalid status either [02:43] you can only say you have reasonably finished triaging if you agree that the said bug is a bug or not. [02:44] well, in this case: [02:44] I suspect that the page in question timed out due to a cron script running at the same time causing contention [02:44] but I can't prove that [02:44] even though it may be unlikely that it will happen again for the same page [02:45] I can't make the page time out [02:45] in fact, it's quite snappy [02:45] you can confirm it based on your suspicion, or you can invalidate it and wait for it to reoccur. [02:45] Seveas: You won't be able to set it. Exposing whether or not one is currently set needs some tweaking. It's current visible from a package's bugmail settings page, e.g., https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/lilypond/+subscribe [02:45] invalidate == reject in Maloneland [02:45] so, I guess I'll reject with an invitation to reopen [02:46] Merge to devel/launchpad: r=kiko Fixes bug 6571 (No Initial Confirmation Upon Clicking Join ). Patch by Diogo Matsubara (r2977: Diogo Matsubara, kiko) [02:46] right [02:46] :) [02:46] kiko: we haven't done so yet. I can look at setting ubuntu-bugs as the distro contact when I do the migration if no one else has done so yet [02:46] jamesh, well, let me chat with you about this for a while. [02:46] ok, thanks for all the info, I shall poke a few Ubuntu devs about this, who is the one to ask, mdz perhaps? [02:47] the ubntu-bugs usecase really calls for it being subscribed to all existing bugs [02:47] all existing ubuntu bugs, mind you. [02:47] kiko: +1 [02:47] I think implicit subscription is good in this specific case [02:47] jamesh, depending on how you create these bugs, ubuntu-bugs will be added or not -- and we need to make sure we need to add it. [02:47] daf, maybe, but let's try explicit for now, given it's simple to make it work. [02:48] sure -- we can make that refinement in future [02:48] it's not blocking us [02:48] kiko: we can look at subscribing it to the existing bugs post-migration pretty easily [02:48] jamesh, via a database query? [02:49] kiko: I was thinking of a simple zopeless script, but that's pretty much the same [02:49] there's one distinction [02:49] jamesh, you don't think it's worth adding the feature to the importer? [02:49] ubuntu-bugs gets all reports for ubuntu *MAIN*, not universe... [02:49] Seveas, it will get all bugs, period. you can filter using X-Launchpad-Bug and ubuntu-bugs mailman topics. [02:50] bug reports for universe are the domain of universe-bugs@lists [02:50] kiko: given that the importer is designed for a one-off conversion, I don't think it matters too much [02:50] jamesh, agreed.. well, just make sure you remember that, because I may forget. [02:50] kiko, hmm, is the string 'universe' in that header? [02:50] Seveas: by design, or just because they are in a separate trackers? [02:50] kiko: could you add a note to BugzillaImportProcess at the bottom? [02:50] Seveas, yes. [02:50] jamesh, sure. [02:50] kiko, phew :) [02:51] jamesh, as far as I know by design, since universe is for the MOTU and not for the core devs [02:51] these two groups are fairly distinct [02:51] indeed :) [02:51] kiko: I'm going out for a bit now. If there is any more to discuss, I'll be back later [02:51] lol@quitmsg :) [02:52]