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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-artwork:irc.freenode.net] : Vote for the next meeting date - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
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artnay_hey guys11:41
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lizardkinghello artnay04:48
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lizardkingI'm lizardking04:53
artnay_hey04:53
lizardkingi read your private message04:53
lizardkingdid you view my post?04:53
artnay_I was finish my job here and heading home04:53
artnay_sure I did04:53
artnay_+ing04:53
lizardkingwhat's + ing?04:54
lizardking:D04:54
lizardkingare you going away?04:54
artnay_finishing, it's a typo day today04:54
artnay_I was04:54
artnay_but anyways, here's the deadl04:54
artnay_deal04:54
artnay_if you want, you could join artwork team and help us04:55
artnay_because you seem to be interested in that matter04:55
artnay_but it seems that community has to focus on three things04:55
lizardkingok04:55
artnay_AUC (art.ubuntu.com), wiki pages and artwork packaging04:56
lizardkingwhat are theese three things?04:56
artnay_canonical is most likely going to do the default dapper theme04:56
lizardkingI downladed the ubuntu-artowork.deb in Dapper04:56
lizardkingthey use Etiquette icons..04:57
lizardkingIs the dapper theme quite reay?04:57
lizardkingready04:57
artnay_that is a question without an answer from us04:57
artnay_actually we don't know much about it04:57
lizardkingok04:58
artnay_but we can package our own artwork, community artwork, as debian packages04:58
artnay_and offer them via apt04:58
artnay_so whatever you do, it's useful and appreciated04:58
lizardkingbut the artwork team works for the Canonical or are different community?04:58
artnay_we'd like to work in a tighter relationshop with canonical (afaik)04:59
lizardkingso there are two tread of developing artwork?05:00
artnay_we don't even know what canonical is doing with artowkr05:00
lizardkingyou and canonical team?05:00
artnay_there has been rumours of hired experts doing the official icon set etc.05:00
artnay_but those rumours haven't been confirmed by canonical05:00
lizardkingok! cool official icons!05:01
artnay_therefore this whole process is quite disorganized, we don't know which projects we should focus on05:01
lizardkingthe project you say are this?  1)AUC (art.ubuntu.com), 2) wiki pages and 3) artwork packaging05:02
artnay_but if you want to participate in a creation of debian packages, you're most welcome to do that05:02
artnay_yeah, AUC and wiki are top priorities05:02
artnay_but there's not people contributing to this stuff05:02
artnay_at least not many active ones05:03
lizardkingwhich stuff?05:03
artnay_organizing artwork team and its priorities05:03
lizardkingok05:03
artnay_if you look at the wiki, it's quite a disaster05:03
artnay_we would like to have /ArtWork as a main page, and it could have guides etc.05:04
artnay_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal05:05
lizardkinghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal05:05
lizardkingi noticed05:05
artnay_that page has some information05:05
artnay_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList05:05
artnay_and there are some topics to be discussed05:05
lizardkingSo what wil be my deal?05:06
artnay_feel free to edit it cause we don't have much editors yet :)05:06
artnay_how would you like to help, I guess that's the question05:06
lizardkingyes :D05:06
artnay_anyways, I'm on overtime already05:07
lizardkingdo you must go?05:07
artnay_I'll do some updates later today05:07
lizardkinghere?05:07
artnay_yeah, I'll stop by the nearest grocery shop and then I'll go home05:07
artnay_it will take something like 30 minutes05:07
artnay_so if you're still present, we can discuss more then05:08
lizardkingneed an account to modify the wiki page?05:08
artnay_yep05:08
lizardkingok05:08
artnay_anyways, half an hour05:08
artnay_bye05:08
lizardkingSo we can meet here in 1h e half?05:08
lizardkingdid you use IM?05:09
lizardkingi have google talk icq msn yahoo05:09
lizardkingare you still there?05:10
artnay_half an hour... :)05:32
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artnay_hey06:00
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artnay_LizardKing_it: 06:01
iAcAliasLizardKiwe06:01
artnay_it only took 23 minutes06:02
artnay_but you were gone already06:02
iAcAliasLizardKii registred to irc06:02
iAcAliasLizardKibut...06:02
iAcAliasLizardKiwhich is my nick?06:02
artnay_http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=1325406:02
iAcAliasLizardKilizardking_it ora iacaliaslizarking?06:02
artnay_oh, sorry06:02
artnay_which one did you register? :o06:02
artnay_try changing your nick using command /nick insteryournickhere06:03
LizardKing_itnow i relog in06:03
LizardKing_itwait06:03
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iAcAliasLizardKihello06:04
iAcAliasLizardKiwhy my nick si tokenized?06:04
iAcAliasLizardKilizardkiNG06:04
artnay_there's no need reconnect in order to change your nick. is that the one you registered?06:04
iAcAliasLizardKitoo long?06:04
iAcAliasLizardKiyes06:04
iAcAliasLizardKiis this06:05
artnay_15 is pretty common limit06:05
iAcAliasLizardKiah ok06:05
iAcAliasLizardKi:'(06:05
iAcAliasLizardKi:D06:05
iAcAliasLizardKihow can I change?06:05
iAcAliasLizardKiI'm not at all a irc guru06:05
iAcAliasLizardKiI use in a past time06:05
iAcAliasLizardKibut i remember few options06:05
artnay_ /nick newnick06:06
iAcAliasLizardKiok06:06
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LizardKing_itand now is this my registerd nick?06:07
artnay_if it requires you to identify, then it is06:07
LizardKing_ithow can identify?06:08
artnay_you can change it if registered a wrong one06:08
artnay_ /msg nickserv idenfity yourpassword06:08
LizardKing_it>NickServ< identify ****06:08
LizardKing_it-NickServ- The nickname [LizardKing_it]  is not registered06:08
artnay_so you probably registered the other one06:08
LizardKing_ityes I register iacalias Lizardking06:08
LizardKing_it(how you should have understand I'm from Italy)06:09
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artnay_you can't have spaces in your nickname06:10
iAcAliasLizardKinow I'm with the registred one06:10
iAcAliasLizardKihow can I change the registerd one?06:11
artnay_hmm?06:13
artnay_identify first, then /nick registerednick06:13
iAcAliasLizardKiIm already identify06:14
artnay_then just change your nick06:15
iAcAliasLizardKiok06:15
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LizardKing_itok06:15
LizardKing_itnow should be works06:15
LizardKing_itthanks in advace..06:15
artnay_it's not required after all, you just can't send /msgs without registering06:15
LizardKing_itdid you see my new privare message?06:15
artnay_no, I didn't get any06:16
artnay_oh, you meant Ubuntuforums?06:16
LizardKing_it /msg NickServ REGISTER slucia06:16
LizardKing_itops06:16
LizardKing_it:D06:16
LizardKing_ityes I mean ubuntuforums06:16
artnay_I did get that one06:17
LizardKing_itok now i post here06:17
LizardKing_itMessage  Sent Date  Read Date  06:18
LizardKing_itIM06:18
LizardKing_itSent to: artnay06:18
LizardKing_itUnread06:18
artnay_I confirmed it06:19
LizardKing_itI was asking you about IM06:19
LizardKing_itwhen i'm at the PC i always use IM06:19
LizardKing_itdo you have one?06:19
artnay_yep, I've had ICQ UIN since -98 and MSN account for some months now06:20
LizardKing_itok can you give me this account06:20
artnay_but I don't use them much, actually I never log in to ICQ and MSN is only because of girls06:20
LizardKing_itso I add in06:20
LizardKing_iteheh girls!06:20
artnay_although I converted my gf and nowadays she uses IRC ;)06:20
LizardKing_itok so does not matters if you log in never06:20
LizardKing_itHnn06:21
LizardKing_it:D06:21
LizardKing_itI'm trying to convert my one to use Linux ;)06:21
LizardKing_itdo you come from Finland right?06:21
LizardKing_ithow old are you?06:21
artnay_that's something I wasn't able to do, mainly because she somewhat hates ubuntu06:21
LizardKing_itwhy hates ubunut?06:22
LizardKing_it:'(06:22
artnay_because I spend to much time with Ubuntu... ;)06:22
LizardKing_iteheeh06:22
LizardKing_itmee too06:22
LizardKing_italso my grilfriend says that I pass to time to PC06:22
LizardKing_itI'm studying informatic engeenering06:23
LizardKing_itat www.ing.unifi.it06:23
LizardKing_itUniversity of Florence06:23
artnay_well boys are boys and many ubuntu users are fanboys :)06:23
LizardKing_itdo U know Florence?06:23
artnay_yep, never been there though06:23
LizardKing_itif you want more information about me http://www.iacopomasi.net06:23
artnay_and I'm from .fi, 22 in couple of months06:24
LizardKing_itmy friend went in finland last year in Tampere06:24
LizardKing_itI'm 22 old06:24
LizardKing_ittoo06:24
artnay_forget about tampere...06:24
artnay_no, actually I guess it's good place to live at06:24
LizardKing_itmy friend went there with ERASMUS project06:25
artnay_what's that?06:25
LizardKing_itTo go to study in other Europe cities06:25
artnay_The Erasmus Project is a program designed to bring together sophomore students from the College of Arts and Sciences, the School of Business and Management, and the School of Nursing in a special enrichment program. 06:25
LizardKing_itthis is a university project06:26
LizardKing_itsearch erasums university06:26
LizardKing_itwhat do you study about?06:26
LizardKing_itnow I'm writing my lower degree06:27
LizardKing_itI will talk on it in April06:27
artnay_I did study computer science, but I sort of stopped that since I ran out of money06:27
LizardKing_itI'm quite excited06:27
artnay_had to find a full-time job06:27
LizardKing_itok I understand you06:27
LizardKing_itdo you have a website?06:27
artnay_only /06:28
artnay_since they decided to remove my account, thus leaving a ghost client running there (artnay)06:28
artnay_now I'm just waiting shell. to crash )06:28
LizardKing_itSincerly I' haven't understand a lot pardon!06:29
artnay_if you do /whois nickname, you find some information on the user06:29
LizardKing_itok06:30
artnay_so artnay's host is shell.evtek.fi, it's running on computer called shell. since they deleted my account as I left from school, they left my irc process running06:30
LizardKing_iti noticed06:31
LizardKing_itrtnay_ so artnay's host is shell.evtek.fi, it's running on computer called shell. since they deleted my account as I left from school, they left my irc process running06:31
artnay_and I wasn't able to do anything because *nix wasn't able to find my account :(06:31
artnay_I was there, ssh'd into their machine, but I couldn't even do simple "ps" :(06:32
LizardKing_ithttp://www.evtek.fi/ is this the main site?06:32
artnay_it is06:32
LizardKing_iteheh06:32
LizardKing_itI understand06:32
artnay_nrj, wtf is that. absolutely terrible06:32
LizardKing_it:|06:32
LizardKing_iti go a minute down then we talk06:33
LizardKing_itbye06:33
artnay_like they couldn't do any worse, co-operating with this pop propaganda radio nrj... oh god.06:33
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artnay_hi again07:18
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LizardKing_ithi again08:12
LizardKing_itnow I'm going out08:12
LizardKing_itto have a strong Beer :D08:12
LizardKing_itWe can meet here tomorrow to talk about what I'm going to modify or packagin debs..08:13
artnay_LizardKing_it: sure08:17
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artnay_so, should we just state that let's forget the default artwork for dapper and let's focus on a) AUC b) wiki c) debian packages10:21
artnay_I'm currently updating wiki and this is still an issue10:22
artnay_ping guys10:30
artnay_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal - take a look at that10:30
artnay_= Support places = should there be one "support place"10:30
artnay_it would be neat to have guides under /ArtWork/UbuntuArtWork/ProjectnameUbuntuArtwork10:31
artnay_but it means duplicates... is it possible to do cross-linking easily?10:32
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artnay_hey lukacu10:52
lukacuhey10:53
lukacuhow is the artteam today?10:54
lukacu:)10:54
artnay_silent :)10:55
artnay_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal10:55
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lukacuartnay_: ArtworkTodoProposal is going to be Artwork page ?10:56
artnay_I guess it may have some of the structure that the final /ArtWork page will have10:59
artnay_ok, I updated these pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal11:01
artnay_Next thing... ArtworkTodoList11:01
artnay_but I really don't know what to type11:01
lukacu:)11:02
artnay_all I've heard is rumours and devs saying something unofficially11:02
artnay_and those statements are against what's being said in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamIntroduction11:02
lukacuabout what? artwork that is to be done?11:02
artnay_so what shall we do? :)11:02
artnay_I really wouldn't like to spread any FUD11:03
lukacuany news about AUC?11:04
lukacuupgrading and that...11:04
artnay_well they acknowledge the problem11:05
artnay_and it's currently being solved11:05
artnay_I think klepas has more information on that11:05
lukacuwell .. he promised me an email a week ago ... nothing so far :(11:06
artnay_https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtworkWebsite11:06
artnay_that page should cover all information related to AUC11:06
artnay_but I'm afraid that it doesn't11:06
artnay_lukacu: great, you voted11:08
lukacu:)11:08
lukacuwell .. its my duty as a member of artteam ;)11:09
lukacuim going to spain on february 4th so i really prefer 2nd11:11
artnay_oh, how long will you stay there?11:13
lukacu20 days or so ... just a visit11:13
lukacuartnay_: i would really like to help you with the wiki but i have a few exams in the next two weeks ...11:18
artnay_no prob, we try to get something done11:19
artnay_ok, I guess I'll leave wiki for now11:23
artnay_we need to have a serious discussion before any huge changes11:23
artnay_it seems that artwork team is pretty dead :(11:25
artnay_http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-January/thread.html11:25
lukaculol11:26
artnay_how come there's no activity anywhere?11:26
lukacudont know ... because there are no goals and no meaning11:26
artnay_yep11:27
artnay_but if we belive what has been said, there are three priorities11:27
artnay_I've heard community won't have input for dapper11:28
artnay_so that pretty much leaves us to AUC, wiki and community artwork11:28
artnay_but community artwork seems to be really problematic11:28
lukacupeople come to ML and say: i am here, what is to be done ... and then everything is silent11:28
artnay_people don't use IRC that much, not at least the members of artwork team11:29
artnay_and ML is pretty dead, too11:30
artnay_I see more activism on Ubuntuforums11:30
lukacuyeah ... the forums ... but that is not official art team conversation area i guess11:31
artnay_nope, but some members are only reachable from there or by mail11:31
artnay_so we have a communication problem here11:32
artnay_and we're without goals11:32
artnay_I'm not on the good mood, sorry. I should stfu11:32
lukacu:)11:32
artnay_we have a communication problem between members and between canonical11:33
lukacuno problem ... i am also not in a good mood 11:33
artnay_that pretty much prevents us from doing anything11:33
lukacui agree11:34
artnay_like will dapper have a photo or something what has been in previous versions11:34
artnay_that's something what branding guide should state11:34
artnay_without any hint we're powerless11:34
artnay_as a background, I meant....11:34
lukacuwhat about kubuntu?11:35
artnay_riddell said it will most probably have 99 % the KDE defaults11:35
artnay_as there's really no Kubuntu artwork team11:35
artnay_I don't know would the situation be same if there were more people interested11:35
artnay_but still, there's usplash, kdm, background etc.11:36
artnay_lots of things11:36
artnay_and we have no clue what to do11:36
artnay_and that isn't good :)11:37
artnay_well, I guess I've whined enough11:37
lukacu:D11:37
artnay_stfu and do some work11:37
artnay_...that was meant for me ;)11:38
lukaculol11:38
artnay_is red hat paying to andyfitz?11:39
artnay_I guess they are11:39
artnay_but still that shouldn't be a problem11:39
artnay_I guess some of you guys don't read forums, but take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88477&page=1111:40
artnay_the reason I asked that red hat thingie was that I was arguing with bvc11:40
artnay_starting from #10511:40
artnay_I guess he's frustrated as well11:41
lukacui agree with bvc on this about Humility: "Seems like it takes Andy so long, the freshness dies off and something new is desired, or something."11:42
lukacuit is too much for one man to handle ... 11:44
lukacuwell .. that is my opinion11:45
artnay_yeah, there wasn't much information what was happening with those projects11:45
artnay_true, therefore we should help him11:45
artnay_have a page like tango project has and list icons there11:45
lukacuyeah ...ive tried at first (HumulityIcons wiki page is my work) ...11:45
artnay_I liked etiquette and hum* too11:46
artnay_although there were some things I really disliked (but that's normal, we all can't like the same things)11:46
artnay_for example the device icons looked too strange to me11:47
lukacui still think that humility can be resurrected as a comunity project11:47
artnay_I think we should use somewhat standard metaphors (like for USB devices etc.)11:47
artnay_lukacu: so do I11:47
lukacugreat :)11:47
artnay_the last versions of tango have had some really pleasnt surprises11:48
artnay_but it's a bit too colourful for me, meaning that red roof on home icon and that green on waste basket11:48
artnay_but overally they're doing great work11:49
artnay_and so we could adopt some of their stuff, change colours and that way have a unique ubuntu icon set11:49
lukacumaybe :)11:49
artnay_that's what I've been hoping11:49
lukacusome team work ...11:50
artnay_there's not much currently )11:50
artnay_let's face it, artwork team didn't success for breezy. I wouldn't like the same happen when dapper hits the stores :)11:51
artnay_as mark has said, dapper should be the polished version. I guess this means graphics as well11:52
lukacumostly graphical ... that is what impresses users11:53
lukacubut i am afraid that they will just hire some pros to do that ... its sad :(11:54
artnay_no it's not, it's better than nothing. :)11:54
artnay_it's sad that we haven't been able to get organized so we could actually get something done 11:55
lukacuwell yeah ... but how about encourage community and actually comunicating with the team11:55
artnay_what can I say? that would be great11:56
lukacuperhaps i just dont see the whole picture11:56
artnay_neither do I11:56
artnay_although I'd like too se it11:56
lukacume too11:57
artnay_http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11576111:57
artnay_people want to help, but they just don't know how11:57
lukacuand neither do we :D11:57
artnay_at least we're trying to get some organization :)11:58
artnay_as long as there's no official statement and wiki stays in the current shape, people have no clue what to do11:59
artnay_we've requested the branding guide a few times but we haven't received any mails11:59
artnay_but at least we're building wiki12:00
artnay_it needs to have the vital information so everyone could get the whole picture12:00
artnay_I remember when I got into this12:00
artnay_at least we now have some sort of centralized wiki page :o12:01

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