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[11:41] <artnay_> hey guys
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[04:48] <lizardking> hello artnay
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[04:53] <lizardking> I'm lizardking
[04:53] <artnay_> hey
[04:53] <lizardking> i read your private message
[04:53] <lizardking> did you view my post?
[04:53] <artnay_> I was finish my job here and heading home
[04:53] <artnay_> sure I did
[04:53] <artnay_> +ing
[04:54] <lizardking> what's + ing?
[04:54] <lizardking> :D
[04:54] <lizardking> are you going away?
[04:54] <artnay_> finishing, it's a typo day today
[04:54] <artnay_> I was
[04:54] <artnay_> but anyways, here's the deadl
[04:54] <artnay_> deal
[04:55] <artnay_> if you want, you could join artwork team and help us
[04:55] <artnay_> because you seem to be interested in that matter
[04:55] <artnay_> but it seems that community has to focus on three things
[04:55] <lizardking> ok
[04:56] <artnay_> AUC (art.ubuntu.com), wiki pages and artwork packaging
[04:56] <lizardking> what are theese three things?
[04:56] <artnay_> canonical is most likely going to do the default dapper theme
[04:56] <lizardking> I downladed the ubuntu-artowork.deb in Dapper
[04:57] <lizardking> they use Etiquette icons..
[04:57] <lizardking> Is the dapper theme quite reay?
[04:57] <lizardking> ready
[04:57] <artnay_> that is a question without an answer from us
[04:57] <artnay_> actually we don't know much about it
[04:58] <lizardking> ok
[04:58] <artnay_> but we can package our own artwork, community artwork, as debian packages
[04:58] <artnay_> and offer them via apt
[04:58] <artnay_> so whatever you do, it's useful and appreciated
[04:58] <lizardking> but the artwork team works for the Canonical or are different community?
[04:59] <artnay_> we'd like to work in a tighter relationshop with canonical (afaik)
[05:00] <lizardking> so there are two tread of developing artwork?
[05:00] <artnay_> we don't even know what canonical is doing with artowkr
[05:00] <lizardking> you and canonical team?
[05:00] <artnay_> there has been rumours of hired experts doing the official icon set etc.
[05:00] <artnay_> but those rumours haven't been confirmed by canonical
[05:01] <lizardking> ok! cool official icons!
[05:01] <artnay_> therefore this whole process is quite disorganized, we don't know which projects we should focus on
[05:02] <lizardking> the project you say are this?  1)AUC (art.ubuntu.com), 2) wiki pages and 3) artwork packaging
[05:02] <artnay_> but if you want to participate in a creation of debian packages, you're most welcome to do that
[05:02] <artnay_> yeah, AUC and wiki are top priorities
[05:02] <artnay_> but there's not people contributing to this stuff
[05:03] <artnay_> at least not many active ones
[05:03] <lizardking> which stuff?
[05:03] <artnay_> organizing artwork team and its priorities
[05:03] <lizardking> ok
[05:03] <artnay_> if you look at the wiki, it's quite a disaster
[05:04] <artnay_> we would like to have /ArtWork as a main page, and it could have guides etc.
[05:05] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[05:05] <lizardking> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[05:05] <lizardking> i noticed
[05:05] <artnay_> that page has some information
[05:05] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoList
[05:05] <artnay_> and there are some topics to be discussed
[05:06] <lizardking> So what wil be my deal?
[05:06] <artnay_> feel free to edit it cause we don't have much editors yet :)
[05:06] <artnay_> how would you like to help, I guess that's the question
[05:06] <lizardking> yes :D
[05:07] <artnay_> anyways, I'm on overtime already
[05:07] <lizardking> do you must go?
[05:07] <artnay_> I'll do some updates later today
[05:07] <lizardking> here?
[05:07] <artnay_> yeah, I'll stop by the nearest grocery shop and then I'll go home
[05:07] <artnay_> it will take something like 30 minutes
[05:08] <artnay_> so if you're still present, we can discuss more then
[05:08] <lizardking> need an account to modify the wiki page?
[05:08] <artnay_> yep
[05:08] <lizardking> ok
[05:08] <artnay_> anyways, half an hour
[05:08] <artnay_> bye
[05:08] <lizardking> So we can meet here in 1h e half?
[05:09] <lizardking> did you use IM?
[05:09] <lizardking> i have google talk icq msn yahoo
[05:10] <lizardking> are you still there?
[05:32] <artnay_> half an hour... :)
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[05:57] <lizardking> quit
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[06:00] <artnay_> hey
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[06:01] <artnay_> LizardKing_it: 
[06:01] <iAcAliasLizardKi> we
[06:02] <artnay_> it only took 23 minutes
[06:02] <artnay_> but you were gone already
[06:02] <iAcAliasLizardKi> i registred to irc
[06:02] <iAcAliasLizardKi> but...
[06:02] <iAcAliasLizardKi> which is my nick?
[06:02] <artnay_> http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=13254
[06:02] <iAcAliasLizardKi> lizardking_it ora iacaliaslizarking?
[06:02] <artnay_> oh, sorry
[06:02] <artnay_> which one did you register? :o
[06:03] <artnay_> try changing your nick using command /nick insteryournickhere
[06:03] <LizardKing_it> now i relog in
[06:03] <LizardKing_it> wait
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[06:04] <iAcAliasLizardKi> hello
[06:04] <iAcAliasLizardKi> why my nick si tokenized?
[06:04] <iAcAliasLizardKi> lizardkiNG
[06:04] <artnay_> there's no need reconnect in order to change your nick. is that the one you registered?
[06:04] <iAcAliasLizardKi> too long?
[06:04] <iAcAliasLizardKi> yes
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> is this
[06:05] <artnay_> 15 is pretty common limit
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> ah ok
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> :'(
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> :D
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> how can I change?
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> I'm not at all a irc guru
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> I use in a past time
[06:05] <iAcAliasLizardKi> but i remember few options
[06:06] <artnay_>  /nick newnick
[06:06] <iAcAliasLizardKi> ok
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[06:07] <LizardKing_it> and now is this my registerd nick?
[06:07] <artnay_> if it requires you to identify, then it is
[06:08] <LizardKing_it> how can identify?
[06:08] <artnay_> you can change it if registered a wrong one
[06:08] <artnay_>  /msg nickserv idenfity yourpassword
[06:08] <LizardKing_it> >NickServ< identify ****
[06:08] <LizardKing_it> -NickServ- The nickname [LizardKing_it]  is not registered
[06:08] <artnay_> so you probably registered the other one
[06:08] <LizardKing_it> yes I register iacalias Lizardking
[06:09] <LizardKing_it> (how you should have understand I'm from Italy)
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[06:10] <artnay_> you can't have spaces in your nickname
[06:10] <iAcAliasLizardKi> now I'm with the registred one
[06:11] <iAcAliasLizardKi> how can I change the registerd one?
[06:13] <artnay_> hmm?
[06:13] <artnay_> identify first, then /nick registerednick
[06:14] <iAcAliasLizardKi> Im already identify
[06:15] <artnay_> then just change your nick
[06:15] <iAcAliasLizardKi> ok
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[06:15] <LizardKing_it> ok
[06:15] <LizardKing_it> now should be works
[06:15] <LizardKing_it> thanks in advace..
[06:15] <artnay_> it's not required after all, you just can't send /msgs without registering
[06:15] <LizardKing_it> did you see my new privare message?
[06:16] <artnay_> no, I didn't get any
[06:16] <artnay_> oh, you meant Ubuntuforums?
[06:16] <LizardKing_it>  /msg NickServ REGISTER slucia
[06:16] <LizardKing_it> ops
[06:16] <LizardKing_it> :D
[06:16] <LizardKing_it> yes I mean ubuntuforums
[06:17] <artnay_> I did get that one
[06:17] <LizardKing_it> ok now i post here
[06:18] <LizardKing_it> Message  	Sent Date  	Read Date  	
[06:18] <LizardKing_it> IM
[06:18] <LizardKing_it> Sent to: artnay
[06:18] <LizardKing_it> Unread
[06:19] <artnay_> I confirmed it
[06:19] <LizardKing_it> I was asking you about IM
[06:19] <LizardKing_it> when i'm at the PC i always use IM
[06:19] <LizardKing_it> do you have one?
[06:20] <artnay_> yep, I've had ICQ UIN since -98 and MSN account for some months now
[06:20] <LizardKing_it> ok can you give me this account
[06:20] <artnay_> but I don't use them much, actually I never log in to ICQ and MSN is only because of girls
[06:20] <LizardKing_it> so I add in
[06:20] <LizardKing_it> eheh girls!
[06:20] <artnay_> although I converted my gf and nowadays she uses IRC ;)
[06:20] <LizardKing_it> ok so does not matters if you log in never
[06:21] <LizardKing_it> Hnn
[06:21] <LizardKing_it> :D
[06:21] <LizardKing_it> I'm trying to convert my one to use Linux ;)
[06:21] <LizardKing_it> do you come from Finland right?
[06:21] <LizardKing_it> how old are you?
[06:21] <artnay_> that's something I wasn't able to do, mainly because she somewhat hates ubuntu
[06:22] <LizardKing_it> why hates ubunut?
[06:22] <LizardKing_it> :'(
[06:22] <artnay_> because I spend to much time with Ubuntu... ;)
[06:22] <LizardKing_it> eheeh
[06:22] <LizardKing_it> mee too
[06:22] <LizardKing_it> also my grilfriend says that I pass to time to PC
[06:23] <LizardKing_it> I'm studying informatic engeenering
[06:23] <LizardKing_it> at www.ing.unifi.it
[06:23] <LizardKing_it> University of Florence
[06:23] <artnay_> well boys are boys and many ubuntu users are fanboys :)
[06:23] <LizardKing_it> do U know Florence?
[06:23] <artnay_> yep, never been there though
[06:23] <LizardKing_it> if you want more information about me http://www.iacopomasi.net
[06:24] <artnay_> and I'm from .fi, 22 in couple of months
[06:24] <LizardKing_it> my friend went in finland last year in Tampere
[06:24] <LizardKing_it> I'm 22 old
[06:24] <LizardKing_it> too
[06:24] <artnay_> forget about tampere...
[06:24] <artnay_> no, actually I guess it's good place to live at
[06:25] <LizardKing_it> my friend went there with ERASMUS project
[06:25] <artnay_> what's that?
[06:25] <LizardKing_it> To go to study in other Europe cities
[06:25] <artnay_> The Erasmus Project is a program designed to bring together sophomore students from the College of Arts and Sciences, the School of Business and Management, and the School of Nursing in a special enrichment program. 
[06:26] <LizardKing_it> this is a university project
[06:26] <LizardKing_it> search erasums university
[06:26] <LizardKing_it> what do you study about?
[06:27] <LizardKing_it> now I'm writing my lower degree
[06:27] <LizardKing_it> I will talk on it in April
[06:27] <artnay_> I did study computer science, but I sort of stopped that since I ran out of money
[06:27] <LizardKing_it> I'm quite excited
[06:27] <artnay_> had to find a full-time job
[06:27] <LizardKing_it> ok I understand you
[06:27] <LizardKing_it> do you have a website?
[06:28] <artnay_> only /
[06:28] <artnay_> since they decided to remove my account, thus leaving a ghost client running there (artnay)
[06:28] <artnay_> now I'm just waiting shell. to crash )
[06:29] <LizardKing_it> Sincerly I' haven't understand a lot pardon!
[06:29] <artnay_> if you do /whois nickname, you find some information on the user
[06:30] <LizardKing_it> ok
[06:30] <artnay_> so artnay's host is shell.evtek.fi, it's running on computer called shell. since they deleted my account as I left from school, they left my irc process running
[06:31] <LizardKing_it> i noticed
[06:31] <LizardKing_it> rtnay_ so artnay's host is shell.evtek.fi, it's running on computer called shell. since they deleted my account as I left from school, they left my irc process running
[06:31] <artnay_> and I wasn't able to do anything because *nix wasn't able to find my account :(
[06:32] <artnay_> I was there, ssh'd into their machine, but I couldn't even do simple "ps" :(
[06:32] <LizardKing_it> http://www.evtek.fi/ is this the main site?
[06:32] <artnay_> it is
[06:32] <LizardKing_it> eheh
[06:32] <LizardKing_it> I understand
[06:32] <artnay_> nrj, wtf is that. absolutely terrible
[06:32] <LizardKing_it> :|
[06:33] <LizardKing_it> i go a minute down then we talk
[06:33] <LizardKing_it> bye
[06:33] <artnay_> like they couldn't do any worse, co-operating with this pop propaganda radio nrj... oh god.
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[07:18] <artnay_> hi again
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[08:12] <LizardKing_it> hi again
[08:12] <LizardKing_it> now I'm going out
[08:12] <LizardKing_it> to have a strong Beer :D
[08:13] <LizardKing_it> We can meet here tomorrow to talk about what I'm going to modify or packagin debs..
[08:17] <artnay_> LizardKing_it: sure
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[10:21] <artnay_> so, should we just state that let's forget the default artwork for dapper and let's focus on a) AUC b) wiki c) debian packages
[10:22] <artnay_> I'm currently updating wiki and this is still an issue
[10:30] <artnay_> ping guys
[10:30] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal - take a look at that
[10:30] <artnay_> = Support places = should there be one "support place"
[10:31] <artnay_> it would be neat to have guides under /ArtWork/UbuntuArtWork/ProjectnameUbuntuArtwork
[10:32] <artnay_> but it means duplicates... is it possible to do cross-linking easily?
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[10:52] <artnay_> hey lukacu
[10:53] <lukacu> hey
[10:54] <lukacu> how is the artteam today?
[10:54] <lukacu> :)
[10:55] <artnay_> silent :)
[10:55] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
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[10:56] <lukacu> artnay_: ArtworkTodoProposal is going to be Artwork page ?
[10:59] <artnay_> I guess it may have some of the structure that the final /ArtWork page will have
[11:01] <artnay_> ok, I updated these pages: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamVoting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtWorkWikiStructureProposal and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal
[11:01] <artnay_> Next thing... ArtworkTodoList
[11:01] <artnay_> but I really don't know what to type
[11:02] <lukacu> :)
[11:02] <artnay_> all I've heard is rumours and devs saying something unofficially
[11:02] <artnay_> and those statements are against what's being said in here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeamIntroduction
[11:02] <lukacu> about what? artwork that is to be done?
[11:02] <artnay_> so what shall we do? :)
[11:03] <artnay_> I really wouldn't like to spread any FUD
[11:04] <lukacu> any news about AUC?
[11:04] <lukacu> upgrading and that...
[11:05] <artnay_> well they acknowledge the problem
[11:05] <artnay_> and it's currently being solved
[11:05] <artnay_> I think klepas has more information on that
[11:06] <lukacu> well .. he promised me an email a week ago ... nothing so far :(
[11:06] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuArtworkWebsite
[11:06] <artnay_> that page should cover all information related to AUC
[11:06] <artnay_> but I'm afraid that it doesn't
[11:08] <artnay_> lukacu: great, you voted
[11:08] <lukacu> :)
[11:09] <lukacu> well .. its my duty as a member of artteam ;)
[11:11] <lukacu> im going to spain on february 4th so i really prefer 2nd
[11:13] <artnay_> oh, how long will you stay there?
[11:13] <lukacu> 20 days or so ... just a visit
[11:18] <lukacu> artnay_: i would really like to help you with the wiki but i have a few exams in the next two weeks ...
[11:19] <artnay_> no prob, we try to get something done
[11:23] <artnay_> ok, I guess I'll leave wiki for now
[11:23] <artnay_> we need to have a serious discussion before any huge changes
[11:25] <artnay_> it seems that artwork team is pretty dead :(
[11:25] <artnay_> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-January/thread.html
[11:26] <lukacu> lol
[11:26] <artnay_> how come there's no activity anywhere?
[11:26] <lukacu> dont know ... because there are no goals and no meaning
[11:27] <artnay_> yep
[11:27] <artnay_> but if we belive what has been said, there are three priorities
[11:28] <artnay_> I've heard community won't have input for dapper
[11:28] <artnay_> so that pretty much leaves us to AUC, wiki and community artwork
[11:28] <artnay_> but community artwork seems to be really problematic
[11:28] <lukacu> people come to ML and say: i am here, what is to be done ... and then everything is silent
[11:29] <artnay_> people don't use IRC that much, not at least the members of artwork team
[11:30] <artnay_> and ML is pretty dead, too
[11:30] <artnay_> I see more activism on Ubuntuforums
[11:31] <lukacu> yeah ... the forums ... but that is not official art team conversation area i guess
[11:31] <artnay_> nope, but some members are only reachable from there or by mail
[11:32] <artnay_> so we have a communication problem here
[11:32] <artnay_> and we're without goals
[11:32] <artnay_> I'm not on the good mood, sorry. I should stfu
[11:32] <lukacu> :)
[11:33] <artnay_> we have a communication problem between members and between canonical
[11:33] <lukacu> no problem ... i am also not in a good mood 
[11:33] <artnay_> that pretty much prevents us from doing anything
[11:34] <lukacu> i agree
[11:34] <artnay_> like will dapper have a photo or something what has been in previous versions
[11:34] <artnay_> that's something what branding guide should state
[11:34] <artnay_> without any hint we're powerless
[11:34] <artnay_> as a background, I meant....
[11:35] <lukacu> what about kubuntu?
[11:35] <artnay_> riddell said it will most probably have 99 % the KDE defaults
[11:35] <artnay_> as there's really no Kubuntu artwork team
[11:35] <artnay_> I don't know would the situation be same if there were more people interested
[11:36] <artnay_> but still, there's usplash, kdm, background etc.
[11:36] <artnay_> lots of things
[11:36] <artnay_> and we have no clue what to do
[11:37] <artnay_> and that isn't good :)
[11:37] <artnay_> well, I guess I've whined enough
[11:37] <lukacu> :D
[11:37] <artnay_> stfu and do some work
[11:38] <artnay_> ...that was meant for me ;)
[11:38] <lukacu> lol
[11:39] <artnay_> is red hat paying to andyfitz?
[11:39] <artnay_> I guess they are
[11:39] <artnay_> but still that shouldn't be a problem
[11:40] <artnay_> I guess some of you guys don't read forums, but take a look at this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88477&page=11
[11:40] <artnay_> the reason I asked that red hat thingie was that I was arguing with bvc
[11:40] <artnay_> starting from #105
[11:41] <artnay_> I guess he's frustrated as well
[11:42] <lukacu> i agree with bvc on this about Humility: "Seems like it takes Andy so long, the freshness dies off and something new is desired, or something."
[11:44] <lukacu> it is too much for one man to handle ... 
[11:45] <lukacu> well .. that is my opinion
[11:45] <artnay_> yeah, there wasn't much information what was happening with those projects
[11:45] <artnay_> true, therefore we should help him
[11:45] <artnay_> have a page like tango project has and list icons there
[11:45] <lukacu> yeah ...ive tried at first (HumulityIcons wiki page is my work) ...
[11:46] <artnay_> I liked etiquette and hum* too
[11:46] <artnay_> although there were some things I really disliked (but that's normal, we all can't like the same things)
[11:47] <artnay_> for example the device icons looked too strange to me
[11:47] <lukacu> i still think that humility can be resurrected as a comunity project
[11:47] <artnay_> I think we should use somewhat standard metaphors (like for USB devices etc.)
[11:47] <artnay_> lukacu: so do I
[11:47] <lukacu> great :)
[11:48] <artnay_> the last versions of tango have had some really pleasnt surprises
[11:48] <artnay_> but it's a bit too colourful for me, meaning that red roof on home icon and that green on waste basket
[11:49] <artnay_> but overally they're doing great work
[11:49] <artnay_> and so we could adopt some of their stuff, change colours and that way have a unique ubuntu icon set
[11:49] <lukacu> maybe :)
[11:49] <artnay_> that's what I've been hoping
[11:50] <lukacu> some team work ...
[11:50] <artnay_> there's not much currently )
[11:51] <artnay_> let's face it, artwork team didn't success for breezy. I wouldn't like the same happen when dapper hits the stores :)
[11:52] <artnay_> as mark has said, dapper should be the polished version. I guess this means graphics as well
[11:53] <lukacu> mostly graphical ... that is what impresses users
[11:54] <lukacu> but i am afraid that they will just hire some pros to do that ... its sad :(
[11:54] <artnay_> no it's not, it's better than nothing. :)
[11:55] <artnay_> it's sad that we haven't been able to get organized so we could actually get something done 
[11:55] <lukacu> well yeah ... but how about encourage community and actually comunicating with the team
[11:56] <artnay_> what can I say? that would be great
[11:56] <lukacu> perhaps i just dont see the whole picture
[11:56] <artnay_> neither do I
[11:56] <artnay_> although I'd like too se it
[11:57] <lukacu> me too
[11:57] <artnay_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=115761
[11:57] <artnay_> people want to help, but they just don't know how
[11:57] <lukacu> and neither do we :D
[11:58] <artnay_> at least we're trying to get some organization :)
[11:59] <artnay_> as long as there's no official statement and wiki stays in the current shape, people have no clue what to do
[11:59] <artnay_> we've requested the branding guide a few times but we haven't received any mails
[12:00] <artnay_> but at least we're building wiki
[12:00] <artnay_> it needs to have the vital information so everyone could get the whole picture
[12:00] <artnay_> I remember when I got into this
[12:01] <artnay_> at least we now have some sort of centralized wiki page :o