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| Velmont | Typing program? What is that? | 12:32 |
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| Burgwork | Velmont, typing tutor | 12:33 |
| Velmont | Ah :) | 12:33 |
| jair | this room is awsome, here I notice that a lot of people have something in common, concerns about education and also technology base on Linux. | 12:42 |
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| mhz | neurogeek: holas! | 04:39 |
| mhz | neurogeek: do you know 'Jesus Molina aka quidam' ? | 04:39 |
| neurogeek | mhz, Hello you | 04:39 |
| neurogeek | mhz, hmmm.. it does ring a bell | 04:40 |
| mhz | he's venezuelan too | 04:40 |
| neurogeek | i think i've seen him around irc | 04:41 |
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| wadeb | hello, I have a project that I want to submit to edubuntu. can anyone give me some tips on where to get started? | 07:05 |
| Burgundavia | wadeb, which project? | 07:05 |
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| wadeb | burgundavia: it's called "cuecard", it's a (previously) windows flash card program that I have ported to GTK (using wxWidgets) | 07:06 |
| wadeb | burgundavia: a windows installer is available at http://www.download.com/CueCard/3000-2051_4-10380167.html?tag=lst-0-1 | 07:07 |
| wadeb | burgundavia: I'm still learning how to package it for ubuntu. | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | that is the first step | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | the issue with wx is that it is not installed by default | 07:07 |
| Burgundavia | nor is it in "main" which is security supported. Any application that is shipped by default must be in main | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | to get into main you need to have your application security checked, as well as any deps | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | but don't let that discourage you | 07:08 |
| Burgundavia | even just having it packaged is great | 07:08 |
| wadeb | is it possible to submit using --disable-shared? then it would only link dynamically to gtk | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | I have no idea, you would need to talk to people who actually cut code | 07:09 |
| wadeb | ok, I'll keep working on packaging and report back.. thanks | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | wadeb, if you need help with packaging, the people in #ubuntu-motu can help | 07:10 |
| Burgundavia | they deal with all of "universe", the unsupported free software | 07:10 |
| wadeb | really? great, I'll check over there. | 07:11 |
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| ilba7r | !packages | 07:52 |
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| ilba7r | is there a link i can find the package list for edubuntu or is it the same as ubuntu? | 08:03 |
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| highvoltage | any edubuntu cookbook cooks around? | 08:38 |
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| Burgundavia | highvoltage, jsgotangco is around | 08:45 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, long time no see | 08:45 |
| jsgotangco | well i haven't been involved in the cookbook lately (no idea who's doing who) | 08:46 |
| Burgundavia | kjcole I know has been doing some work, highvoltage | 08:47 |
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| highvoltage | hi Burgundavia. | 08:57 |
| highvoltage | yes, long time no see. if it's not lack of internet connection, it's being flooded with work :) | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | highvoltage, I guess I am lucky. I had a very quiet Christmas. sales work is like that | 09:03 |
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| highvoltage | ah yes. | 09:08 |
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| Petaris | Yagisan: Hello | 05:43 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: G'day | 05:45 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: how are you ? | 05:45 |
| Petaris | not bad, you? | 05:45 |
| Petaris | Did you ever get a chance to play with that novell client? I keep missing you in here. | 05:46 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: fine, very busy with real life(tm), I should have been in bed hours ago | 05:46 |
| Petaris | haha, How late is it there? | 05:47 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: I have had a brief look - just a sec I made some notes, I'll see where I put them. 3:47am | 05:47 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: oh, its not late its early ;) | 05:48 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: heh - actually, if the baby is true to form, he'll wake up wanting a feed sometime in the next 15-20 minutes | 05:50 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: How old is he? | 05:51 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: he is 7 weeks. He'll wake up, then wake his 23 month old sister up, before going to sleep again | 05:53 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: ahh, fun | 05:53 |
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| Yagisan | Petaris: you have kids ? | 05:54 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: nope, a 3 mo neice though | 05:55 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: ok - found my notes. Most of the package is binary code only - can't see source for it | 05:56 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: however | 05:56 |
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| Yagisan | Petaris: I did find the source for the novfs kernel source | 05:57 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: that is gpl | 05:58 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: other parts are under a novell eula | 05:58 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Hrm, Do you think it could work with edubuntu though? | 05:59 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: that novell eula does not mention it is redistributable at all | 05:59 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Bummer, but people could still download it from novell | 06:00 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: I'm not sure - I made a note to run ldd on the binaries, but I haven't tried that yet | 06:00 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I wonder if just running alien to change the rpm to a deb would work | 06:00 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: not always - distros are source, but not always binary compatible | 06:01 |
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| Petaris | Yagisan: Ok | 06:01 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: There was a novell guy (developer) in the pilot-link channel a couple weeks ago, if he stops back I'll see if he can shed light on this | 06:04 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: you can try it. but I don't think it can be in Ubuntu proper, as except for the kernel module, I don't think it is open source | 06:04 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: at least the EULA seems to indicate it is not - part of novells competitive advantage strategy it seems | 06:05 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: having it included with edubuntu was never my thought, just having it be able to work with edubuntu for those who have a Novell infrastruture. | 06:05 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: if you alien the rpm, it may work - it installs most (but not all) stuff under /opt | 06:06 |
| Petaris | hrm | 06:06 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I don't have a novell setup ATM to test it on, I needed to blow away my test box to work on something else | 06:07 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I'll try to setup another one and give it a try | 06:08 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: If it works this could be a very nice selling point for edubuntu | 06:09 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: qemu may work, vmware workstation will (30 day free trial, make up you vm's then use the free vmware player to run them) | 06:09 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I have the full version (paid for) of VMware workstation | 06:10 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: It's nice isn't it (for a non-opensource app) 4.5 ? 5.0 or 5.5 ? | 06:11 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I'll give it a try | 06:11 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: 5.0, and I've used it for a long time | 06:11 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: if 5.0, your 5.0 key will work with 5.5 :) free upgrade | 06:11 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: 5.5 has usb issues, or so I've heard | 06:12 |
| Petaris | brb | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: I tried 5.5 because it was supposed to support 64bit guests, but my 64bit cpu isn't supported :( | 06:13 |
| Petaris | back | 06:14 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Which cpu? | 06:14 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: AMD Athlon64 Opteron are | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: early model amd64 | 06:15 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: er, and opteron | 06:15 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: hrm | 06:15 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: I run vmware 4.5 on a amd64 3200+ | 06:16 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Thats at home | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: 32bit guest is ok - but no 64bit guest | 06:16 |
| Yagisan | Petaris: I wanted 64bit guests - so I was rather disappointed | 06:17 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Ahh | 06:17 |
| Petaris | Yagisan: Ok, I thought you meant the host | 06:17 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 06:38 |
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| mhz | hy all | 08:53 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: ping | 08:53 |
| ogra_ibook | mhz, pong | 08:53 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: do you remember the port for Schooltool and its login info ? | 08:54 |
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| ogra_ibook | something in the 7000s ... | 08:54 |
| knario | hola que tan tengo un problema nose que le pasa a mi firefox que no puedo ver letras | 08:54 |
| ogra_ibook | i think 7880 | 08:54 |
| knario | que puedo hacer para repararlo? | 08:54 |
| ogra_ibook | knario, #ubuntu-es ? or #edubuntu-es ? | 08:55 |
| knario | como? | 08:55 |
| mhz | knario: /join #ubuntu-es | 08:55 |
| ogra_ibook | knario, i think you want a spanish channel :) | 08:56 |
| Burgwork | mhz, what does como mean? | 08:56 |
| knario | o! | 08:56 |
| mhz | Burgundavia: 'how' | 08:56 |
| ogra_ibook | pardon i think | 08:56 |
| knario | thankyou! | 08:56 |
| mhz | yw | 08:56 |
| ogra_ibook | :) | 08:56 |
| juliux | ogra_ibook, moin pls send me your address | 08:56 |
| ogra_ibook | oh, danmed ... | 08:56 |
| ogra_ibook | i forgot aboiut that | 08:56 |
| juliux | ogra_ibook, and do you have some doku about lts.conf ? | 08:57 |
| Burgwork | mhz, ah, thanks | 08:57 |
| ogra_ibook | juliux, can you give me your mail address ? i'm doing a testinstall on my machine with the addressbook | 08:57 |
| juliux | ogra_ibook, juliux@ubntu-de.org | 08:58 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: nope, 7880 aint semm so | 08:59 |
| mhz | see | 08:59 |
| mhz | seem | 08:59 |
| ogra_ibook | its documented soemwhere on schooltool.org | 09:00 |
| ogra_ibook | i think the default user is schooltool with the PW manager ... | 09:00 |
| mhz | 7080, it is | 09:00 |
| ogra_ibook | but i might remember wrong | 09:00 |
| mhz | hehhehe | 09:02 |
| mhz | np | 09:02 |
| mhz | I'll wiki it | 09:02 |
| mhz | soon | 09:02 |
| mhz | ogra_ibook: but so far,..th1a: hmmm. ''connection refused when attemting to contact 7080" :( | 09:02 |
| mhz | - thla | 09:02 |
| ogra_ibook | is schooltool running ? | 09:03 |
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| selmys | can anyone help me with a network problem? | 10:14 |
| juliux | selmys, what is your problem? | 10:17 |
| selmys | installed 5.1 and all signs indicate network should be working but it's not - ifconfig ok, route ok, lspci ok, dmesg ok, etc. etc. | 10:18 |
| juliux | and what doesnt work? | 10:19 |
| ogra_ibook | did you give the right IP in the installer ? | 10:19 |
| selmys | yes IP info is right. Hardware works with Knoppix | 10:19 |
| selmys | can't ping anything except self | 10:20 |
| platos | can you ping to the address you have configured for yourself (not localhost) | 10:22 |
| selmys | yes, I can ping my own address. Also, resolv.conf is correct. | 10:23 |
| selmys | I'm suspecting maybe a bad iso image. Is that possible? | 10:25 |
| platos | did you use a breezy image? | 10:25 |
| juliux | ogra_ibook, what do you think about a edubuntu thincliente database? | 10:26 |
| ogra_ibook | sure, why not | 10:26 |
| selmys | not sure what image. just downloaded edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso | 10:26 |
| platos | well thats the breezy one | 10:26 |
| platos | hm... and you have one card installed on your pc? | 10:27 |
| selmys | I have 2 NICs, eth0 and eth1. I tried each one with dhcp and static config but neither worked even though all indicators said it should. | 10:28 |
| platos | so dhclient wouldnt get anything with either of em... weird, the only thing i then could think off is a faulty netwerk cable... | 10:29 |
| selmys | I used the same cable with Knoppix and it worked with either card. | 10:30 |
| platos | well you could try one reboot, and then see what happens | 10:31 |
| platos | and if that doesnt work, try the live cd first... | 10:31 |
| selmys | believe me I've rebooted many times. But I like your idea about the live CD. I'm going to download it and try it immediately. | 10:32 |
| platos | you have to use the normal ubuntu live cd though | 10:34 |
| platos | edubuntu hasnt got a live cd yet | 10:34 |
| ogra_ibook | platos, it has a daily-livecd | 10:34 |
| platos | ;) i know | 10:34 |
| platos | but isnt that still in alpha | 10:34 |
| platos | or beta | 10:35 |
| ogra_ibook | which currently culd need some testers, since we're about to make the next development release ready | 10:35 |
| platos | hm well i have some time around next week, i'll give it a try then | 10:35 |
| ogra_ibook | its the third milestone release currently | 10:36 |
| platos | ogra_ibook: i know i'm using flight cd2 right now, and i have a problem though | 10:36 |
| selmys | can anyone tell me where I can download this live CD. I don't care if it's beta. At least it's something to try. | 10:36 |
| platos | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/ | 10:36 |
| platos | use flight-2 that one will at least work :P | 10:37 |
| ogra_ibook | it has lots of bugs but boots :) | 10:37 |
| ogra_ibook | the current daily is nearly flight 3 | 10:37 |
| platos | ogra_ibook: when i run wine on my thin-clients the screen is black when i want to start a windows program | 10:37 |
| ogra_ibook | i'm currently doing the test for amd64 | 10:37 |
| platos | ogra_ibook: on the server it runs great however | 10:37 |
| ogra_ibook | platos, i guess the video output isnt plain X ... so the forwarding might fail ... | 10:38 |
| selmys | thanks. talk to you later. | 10:38 |
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| platos | ogra_ibook: any hacks to this? it worked on breezy... | 10:38 |
| ogra_ibook | platos, on the thin client ? | 10:41 |
| platos | yes | 10:41 |
| platos | ... i am using version 9.5 now though | 10:41 |
| platos | i was using version 9.0 on breezy | 10:42 |
| ogra_ibook | hmm, either a X regression or a wine regression then | 10:42 |
| ogra_ibook | you could try to downgrade (if the dependencys allow) and check if its wine or X this way | 10:42 |
| platos | i'll go back to 9.0... i think that one worked | 10:43 |
| ogra_ibook | tell me if you have tested it and it works ... | 10:44 |
| platos | lol it works | 10:50 |
| platos | i took an old release of wine from the archive.ubuntulinux.com | 10:50 |
| platos | hang on i'll get the exact name | 10:50 |
| platos | wine_0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 10:51 |
| Burgwork | platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions | 10:51 |
| platos | thats the package that works on ltsp | 10:51 |
| platos | Burgwork: do you have experience with wine? | 10:52 |
| Burgwork | platos, some | 10:52 |
| platos | Burgwork, I want to use sound in wine | 10:52 |
| Burgwork | hmm, should just work for some things | 10:52 |
| platos | Burgwork, do you know how? it is on a thin-client, sound already works for gnome | 10:53 |
| Burgwork | I don't know what audio backend wine uses. I suspect it tries to talk to /dev/dsp directly | 10:53 |
| platos | well i saw that you can basically choose which audio its using | 10:54 |
| platos | i'll try some things out | 10:54 |
| ogra_ibook | use esd | 10:56 |
| ogra_ibook | if you want to use it on the thin client | 10:57 |
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| platos | ok | 10:57 |
| platos | argh, i can choose out of alsa,arts,nas,oss,audio io(solaris) and jack | 10:59 |
| Burgwork | fc4 appears to havea wine-esd package | 11:01 |
| platos | well, apparently wine hasnt got those seperate packages anymore, now you only have to install one package for wine | 11:02 |
| ogra_ibook | gah, you can choose arts but not esd ? | 11:02 |
| Burgwork | http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-cvs/2005/08/0069.html | 11:02 |
| ogra_ibook | yes, upstream asked for it | 11:03 |
| platos | lol and i've just installed the package that was made on 25-7 | 11:04 |
| Burgwork | platos, try the latest from dapper | 11:05 |
| platos | already tried that one, that one gives me a black screen whenever i run something on the thin-client | 11:06 |
| Burgwork | I would walk my way back through the versions | 11:07 |
| Burgwork | and have you reported these bugs upstream? | 11:07 |
| platos | lol i've just found out about them | 11:08 |
| platos | i'll report them tomorrow | 11:08 |
| platos | i gotta finish that server today | 11:09 |
| \sh | platos: what is not working with wine? | 11:18 |
| ogra_ibook | platos, \sh maintains the wine packages in ubuntu currently | 11:19 |
| \sh | sidenote: not maintaining, I'm trying to package them nicely :) scott ritchie maintains the original packages :) | 11:20 |
| platos | \sh: i get a black screen when i run a app with wine on a thin client | 11:20 |
| platos | \sh: and thats with wine version 9.5 | 11:21 |
| \sh | platos: which windows app? :) | 11:21 |
| platos | \sh: lol an installer | 11:21 |
| platos | \sh: the dcom98.exe | 11:21 |
| platos | \sh: on the server it works however | 11:21 |
| platos | \sh: and i downloaded a previous version of wine out of archive.ubuntulinux.com and with that one it works | 11:22 |
| platos | \sh: i am currently downloading the cvs and compiling it from that | 11:22 |
| \sh | platos: well, I tested notepad.exe via ssh -X to my amd64 box and a i386 chroot of dapper with wine 0.9.5..and this works.. | 11:22 |
| platos | \sh: lol weird | 11:22 |
| \sh | platos: so I think it's more upstream fault..there were other problems with wine 0.9.4 which were solved with 0.9.5 | 11:22 |
| \sh | platos: can I download this dcom98.exe tool somehow? | 11:22 |
| platos | http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&displayLang=en&oRef=http%3a%2f%2fwww.microsoft.com%2fcom%2fdefault.mspx | 11:23 |
| \sh | ok...I'll test it here again..and let's see :) | 11:24 |
| platos | well on the server it works, but not in a thin-client boot | 11:24 |
| spacey_ki | <Burgwork> platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions <- 0.9.4 is there also | 11:25 |
| spacey_ki | i had sound on my breezy laptop | 11:25 |
| spacey_ki | with windows app in wine | 11:25 |
| platos | yeah for me its a lil different... i have to have sound in my ltsp client | 11:25 |
| spacey_ki | platos, i need that as well | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | platos, wine can't output to esd? | 11:26 |
| platos | well it can | 11:26 |
| platos | but not with the old packaged version | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | platos, i just installed the version on winehq.org | 11:26 |
| platos | and with the new one i got a black screen | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | that package works | 11:26 |
| platos | on your thin-client? | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | although its an external repo | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | didn't try on the thin client yet | 11:26 |
| spacey_ki | will try that next week | 11:27 |
| spacey_ki | figured it should work | 11:27 |
| platos | yeah it worked on my server as well | 11:27 |
| platos | but not on the thin cilent | 11:27 |
| Burgwork | spacey, those source packages are the same as the packages in Ubuntu | 11:27 |
| platos | *client | 11:27 |
| Burgwork | spacey_ki, ^ | 11:27 |
| spacey_ki | Burgwork, got the binary:P | 11:27 |
| spacey_ki | Burgwork, same as in dapper maybe | 11:27 |
| Burgwork | spacey_ki, yes, in dapper | 11:28 |
| spacey_ki | but i don't use dapper in production | 11:28 |
| Burgwork | the ones in breezy are the same source packages, just old releases of wine | 11:28 |
| spacey_ki | yeah | 11:28 |
| spacey_ki | but figured last half year of wine devel was not something to miss | 11:29 |
| Burgwork | not really | 11:29 |
| \sh | the wine packages I repackage are the original sources of winehq :) so don't blame me :) | 11:30 |
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