[12:32] <Velmont> Typing program? What is that?
[12:33] <Burgwork> Velmont, typing tutor
[12:33] <Velmont> Ah :)
[12:42] <jair> this room is awsome, here I notice that a lot of people have something in common, concerns about education and also technology base on Linux.
[04:39] <mhz> neurogeek: holas!
[04:39] <mhz> neurogeek: do you know 'Jesus Molina aka quidam' ?
[04:39] <neurogeek> mhz, Hello you
[04:40] <neurogeek> mhz, hmmm..  it does ring a bell
[04:40] <mhz> he's venezuelan too
[04:41] <neurogeek> i think i've seen him around irc
[07:05] <wadeb> hello, I have a project that I want to submit to edubuntu.  can anyone give me some tips on where to get started?
[07:05] <Burgundavia> wadeb, which project?
[07:06] <wadeb> burgundavia: it's called "cuecard", it's a (previously) windows flash card program that I have ported to GTK (using wxWidgets)
[07:07] <wadeb> burgundavia: a windows installer is available at http://www.download.com/CueCard/3000-2051_4-10380167.html?tag=lst-0-1
[07:07] <wadeb> burgundavia: I'm still learning how to package it for ubuntu.
[07:07] <Burgundavia> that is the first step
[07:07] <Burgundavia> the issue with wx is that it is not installed by default
[07:08] <Burgundavia> nor is it in "main" which is security supported. Any application that is shipped by default must be in main
[07:08] <Burgundavia> to get into main you need to have your application security checked, as well as any deps
[07:08] <Burgundavia> but don't let that discourage you
[07:08] <Burgundavia> even just having it packaged is great
[07:09] <wadeb> is it possible to submit using --disable-shared?  then it would only link dynamically to gtk
[07:09] <Burgundavia> I have no idea, you would need to talk to people who actually cut code
[07:09] <wadeb> ok, I'll keep working on packaging and report back.. thanks
[07:10] <Burgundavia> wadeb, if you need help with packaging, the people in #ubuntu-motu can help
[07:10] <Burgundavia> they deal with all of "universe", the unsupported free software
[07:11] <wadeb> really?  great, I'll check over there.
[07:52] <ilba7r> !packages
[08:03] <ilba7r> is there a link i can find the package list for edubuntu or is it the same as ubuntu?
[08:38] <highvoltage> any edubuntu cookbook cooks around?
[08:45] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, jsgotangco is around
[08:45] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, long time no see
[08:46] <jsgotangco> well i haven't been involved in the cookbook lately (no idea who's doing who)
[08:47] <Burgundavia> kjcole I know has been doing some work, highvoltage 
[08:57] <highvoltage> hi Burgundavia.
[08:57] <highvoltage> yes, long time no see. if it's not lack of internet connection, it's being flooded with work :)
[09:03] <Burgundavia> highvoltage, I guess I am lucky. I had a very quiet Christmas. sales work is like that
[09:08] <highvoltage> ah yes.
[05:43] <Petaris> Yagisan: Hello
[05:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: G'day
[05:45] <Yagisan> Petaris: how are you ?
[05:45] <Petaris> not bad, you?
[05:46] <Petaris> Did you ever get a chance to play with that novell client?  I keep missing you in here.
[05:46] <Yagisan> Petaris: fine, very busy with real life(tm), I should have been in bed hours ago
[05:47] <Petaris> haha, How late is it there?
[05:47] <Yagisan> Petaris: I have had a brief look - just a sec I made some notes, I'll see where I put them. 3:47am
[05:48] <Petaris> Yagisan: oh, its not late its early  ;)
[05:50] <Yagisan> Petaris: heh - actually, if the baby is true to form, he'll wake up wanting a feed sometime in the next 15-20 minutes
[05:51] <Petaris> Yagisan: How old is he?
[05:53] <Yagisan> Petaris: he is 7 weeks. He'll wake up, then wake his 23 month old sister up, before going to sleep again
[05:53] <Petaris> Yagisan: ahh, fun
[05:54] <Yagisan> Petaris: you have kids ?
[05:55] <Petaris> Yagisan: nope, a 3 mo neice though
[05:56] <Yagisan> Petaris: ok - found my notes. Most of the package is binary code only - can't see source for it
[05:56] <Yagisan> Petaris: however
[05:57] <Yagisan> Petaris: I did find the source for the novfs kernel source
[05:58] <Yagisan> Petaris: that is gpl
[05:58] <Yagisan> Petaris: other parts are under a novell eula
[05:59] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Hrm,  Do you think it could work with edubuntu though?
[05:59] <Yagisan> Petaris: that novell eula does not mention it is redistributable at all
[06:00] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Bummer, but people could still download it from novell
[06:00] <Yagisan> Petaris: I'm not sure - I made a note to run ldd on the binaries, but I haven't tried that yet
[06:00] <Petaris> Yagisan:  I wonder if just running alien to change the rpm to a deb would work
[06:01] <Yagisan> Petaris: not always - distros are source, but not always binary compatible
[06:01] <Petaris> Yagisan:  Ok
[06:04] <Petaris> Yagisan:  There was a novell guy (developer) in the pilot-link channel a couple weeks ago, if he stops back I'll see if he can shed light on this
[06:04] <Yagisan> Petaris: you can try it. but I don't think it can be in Ubuntu proper, as except for the kernel module, I don't think it is open source
[06:05] <Yagisan> Petaris: at least the EULA seems to indicate it is not - part of novells competitive advantage strategy it seems
[06:05] <Petaris> Yagisan: having it included with edubuntu was never my thought, just having it be able to work with edubuntu for those who have a Novell infrastruture.
[06:06] <Yagisan> Petaris: if you alien the rpm, it may work - it installs most (but not all) stuff under /opt
[06:06] <Petaris> hrm
[06:07] <Petaris> Yagisan: I don't have a novell setup ATM to test it on, I needed to blow away my test box to work on something else
[06:08] <Petaris> Yagisan: I'll try to setup another one and give it a try
[06:09] <Petaris> Yagisan: If it works this could be a very nice selling point for edubuntu
[06:09] <Yagisan> Petaris: qemu may work, vmware workstation will (30 day free trial, make up you vm's then use the free vmware player to run them)
[06:10] <Petaris> Yagisan: I have the full version (paid for) of VMware workstation
[06:11] <Yagisan> Petaris: It's nice isn't it (for a non-opensource app) 4.5 ? 5.0 or 5.5 ?
[06:11] <Petaris> Yagisan: I'll give it a try
[06:11] <Petaris> Yagisan: 5.0, and I've used it for a long time
[06:11] <Yagisan> Petaris: if 5.0, your 5.0 key will work with 5.5 :) free upgrade
[06:12] <Petaris> Yagisan: 5.5 has usb issues, or so I've heard
[06:12] <Petaris> brb
[06:13] <Yagisan> Petaris: I tried 5.5 because it was supposed to support 64bit guests, but my 64bit cpu isn't supported :(
[06:14] <Petaris> back
[06:14] <Petaris> Yagisan: Which cpu?
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: AMD Athlon64 Opteron are
[06:15] <Yagisan> Petaris: early model amd64
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: er, and opteron
[06:15] <Petaris> Yagisan: hrm
[06:16] <Petaris> Yagisan: I run vmware 4.5 on a amd64 3200+
[06:16] <Petaris> Yagisan: Thats at home
[06:16] <Yagisan> Petaris: 32bit guest is ok - but no 64bit guest
[06:17] <Yagisan> Petaris: I wanted 64bit guests - so I was rather disappointed
[06:17] <Petaris> Yagisan: Ahh
[06:17] <Petaris> Yagisan: Ok, I thought you meant the host
[06:38] <Yagisan> night all
[08:53] <mhz> hy all
[08:53] <mhz> ogra_ibook: ping
[08:53] <ogra_ibook> mhz, pong
[08:54] <mhz> ogra_ibook: do you remember the port for Schooltool and its login info ?
[08:54] <ogra_ibook> something in the 7000s ...
[08:54] <knario> hola que tan tengo un problema nose que le pasa a mi firefox que no puedo ver letras
[08:54] <ogra_ibook> i think 7880
[08:54] <knario> que puedo hacer para repararlo?
[08:55] <ogra_ibook> knario, #ubuntu-es ? or #edubuntu-es ?
[08:55] <knario> como?
[08:55] <mhz> knario: /join #ubuntu-es
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> knario, i think you want a spanish channel :)
[08:56] <Burgwork> mhz, what does como mean?
[08:56] <knario> o!
[08:56] <mhz> Burgundavia: 'how'
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> pardon i think
[08:56] <knario> thankyou!
[08:56] <mhz> yw
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> :)
[08:56] <juliux> ogra_ibook, moin pls send me your address
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> oh, danmed ...
[08:56] <ogra_ibook> i forgot aboiut that 
[08:57] <juliux> ogra_ibook, and do you have some doku about lts.conf ?
[08:57] <Burgwork> mhz, ah, thanks
[08:57] <ogra_ibook> juliux, can you give me your mail address ? i'm doing a testinstall on my machine with the addressbook
[08:58] <juliux> ogra_ibook, juliux@ubntu-de.org
[08:59] <mhz> ogra_ibook: nope, 7880 aint semm so
[08:59] <mhz> see
[08:59] <mhz> seem
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> its documented soemwhere on schooltool.org 
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> i think the default user is schooltool with the PW manager ...
[09:00] <mhz> 7080, it is
[09:00] <ogra_ibook> but i might remember wrong
[09:02] <mhz> hehhehe
[09:02] <mhz> np
[09:02] <mhz> I'll wiki it
[09:02] <mhz> soon
[09:02] <mhz> ogra_ibook: but so far,..th1a: hmmm. ''connection refused when attemting to contact 7080" :(
[09:02] <mhz> - thla
[09:03] <ogra_ibook> is schooltool running ? 
[10:14] <selmys> can anyone help me with a network problem?
[10:17] <juliux> selmys, what is your problem?
[10:18] <selmys> installed 5.1 and all signs indicate network should be working but it's not - ifconfig ok, route ok, lspci ok, dmesg ok, etc. etc.
[10:19] <juliux> and what doesnt work?
[10:19] <ogra_ibook> did you give the right IP in the installer ? 
[10:19] <selmys> yes IP info is right. Hardware works with Knoppix
[10:20] <selmys> can't ping anything except self
[10:22] <platos> can you ping to the address you have configured for yourself (not localhost)
[10:23] <selmys> yes, I can ping my own address. Also, resolv.conf is correct.
[10:25] <selmys> I'm suspecting maybe a bad iso image. Is that possible?
[10:25] <platos> did you use a breezy image?
[10:26] <juliux> ogra_ibook, what do you think about a edubuntu thincliente database?
[10:26] <ogra_ibook> sure, why not
[10:26] <selmys> not sure what image. just downloaded edubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[10:26] <platos> well thats the breezy one
[10:27] <platos> hm... and you have one card installed on your pc?
[10:28] <selmys> I have 2 NICs, eth0 and eth1. I tried each one with dhcp and static config but neither worked even though all indicators said it should.
[10:29] <platos> so dhclient wouldnt get anything with either of em... weird, the only thing i then could think off is a faulty netwerk cable...
[10:30] <selmys> I used the same cable with Knoppix and it worked with either card.
[10:31] <platos> well you could try one reboot, and then see what happens
[10:31] <platos> and if that doesnt work, try the live cd first...
[10:32] <selmys> believe me I've rebooted many times. But I like your idea about the live CD. I'm going to download it and try it immediately. 
[10:34] <platos> you have to use the normal ubuntu live cd though
[10:34] <platos> edubuntu hasnt got a live cd yet
[10:34] <ogra_ibook> platos, it has a daily-livecd 
[10:34] <platos> ;) i know
[10:34] <platos> but isnt that still in alpha 
[10:35] <platos> or beta
[10:35] <ogra_ibook> which currently culd need some testers, since we're about to make the next development release ready
[10:35] <platos> hm well i have some time around next week, i'll give it a try then
[10:36] <ogra_ibook> its the third milestone release currently
[10:36] <platos> ogra_ibook: i know i'm using flight cd2 right now, and i have a problem though
[10:36] <selmys> can anyone tell me where I can download this live CD. I don't care if it's beta. At least it's something to try.
[10:36] <platos> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/dapper/flight-2/
[10:37] <platos> use flight-2 that one will at least work :P
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> it has lots of bugs but boots :)
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> the current daily is nearly flight 3
[10:37] <platos> ogra_ibook: when i run wine on my thin-clients the screen is black when i want to start a windows program
[10:37] <ogra_ibook> i'm currently doing the test for amd64
[10:37] <platos> ogra_ibook: on the server it runs great however
[10:38] <ogra_ibook> platos, i guess the video output isnt plain X ... so the forwarding might fail ...
[10:38] <selmys> thanks. talk to you later.
[10:38] <platos> ogra_ibook: any hacks to this? it worked on breezy...
[10:41] <ogra_ibook> platos, on the thin client ? 
[10:41] <platos> yes
[10:41] <platos> ... i am using version 9.5 now though
[10:42] <platos> i was using version 9.0 on breezy
[10:42] <ogra_ibook> hmm, either a X regression or a wine regression then
[10:42] <ogra_ibook> you could try to downgrade (if the dependencys allow) and check if its wine or X this way
[10:43] <platos> i'll go back to 9.0... i think that one worked
[10:44] <ogra_ibook> tell me if you have tested it and it works ...
[10:50] <platos> lol it works
[10:50] <platos> i took an old release of wine from the archive.ubuntulinux.com
[10:50] <platos> hang on i'll get the exact name
[10:51] <platos> wine_0.0.20050725-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[10:51] <Burgwork> platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions
[10:51] <platos> thats the package that works on ltsp
[10:52] <platos> Burgwork: do you have experience with wine?
[10:52] <Burgwork> platos, some
[10:52] <platos> Burgwork, I want to use sound in wine
[10:52] <Burgwork> hmm, should just work for some things
[10:53] <platos> Burgwork, do you know how? it is on a thin-client, sound already works for gnome
[10:53] <Burgwork> I don't know what audio backend wine uses. I suspect it tries to talk to /dev/dsp directly
[10:54] <platos> well i saw that you can basically choose which audio its using
[10:54] <platos> i'll try some things out
[10:56] <ogra_ibook> use esd 
[10:57] <ogra_ibook> if you want to use it on the thin client
[10:57] <platos> ok
[10:59] <platos> argh, i can choose out of alsa,arts,nas,oss,audio io(solaris) and jack
[11:01] <Burgwork> fc4 appears to havea  wine-esd package
[11:02] <platos> well, apparently wine hasnt got those seperate packages anymore, now you only have to install one package for wine
[11:02] <ogra_ibook> gah, you can choose arts but not esd ? 
[11:02] <Burgwork> http://www.winehq.org/hypermail/wine-cvs/2005/08/0069.html
[11:03] <ogra_ibook> yes, upstream asked for it
[11:04] <platos> lol and i've just installed the package that was made on 25-7
[11:05] <Burgwork> platos, try the latest from dapper
[11:06] <platos> already tried that one, that one gives me a black screen whenever i run something on the thin-client
[11:07] <Burgwork> I would walk my way back through the versions
[11:07] <Burgwork> and have you reported these bugs upstream?
[11:08] <platos> lol i've just found out about them
[11:08] <platos> i'll report them tomorrow
[11:09] <platos> i gotta finish that server today
[11:18] <\sh> platos: what is not working with wine?
[11:19] <ogra_ibook> platos, \sh maintains the wine packages in ubuntu currently
[11:20] <\sh> sidenote: not maintaining, I'm trying to package them nicely :) scott ritchie maintains the original packages :)
[11:20] <platos> \sh: i get a black screen when i run a app with wine on a thin client
[11:21] <platos> \sh: and thats with wine version 9.5
[11:21] <\sh> platos: which windows app? :) 
[11:21] <platos> \sh: lol an installer
[11:21] <platos> \sh: the dcom98.exe
[11:21] <platos> \sh: on the server it works however
[11:22] <platos> \sh: and i downloaded a previous version of wine out of archive.ubuntulinux.com and with that one it works
[11:22] <platos> \sh: i am currently downloading the cvs and compiling it from that
[11:22] <\sh> platos: well, I tested notepad.exe via ssh -X to my amd64 box and a i386 chroot of dapper with wine 0.9.5..and this works..
[11:22] <platos> \sh: lol weird
[11:22] <\sh> platos: so I think it's more upstream fault..there were other problems with wine 0.9.4 which were solved with 0.9.5
[11:22] <\sh> platos: can I download this dcom98.exe tool somehow?
[11:23] <platos> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/thankyou.aspx?familyId=08b1ac1b-7a11-43e8-b59d-0867f9bdda66&displayLang=en&oRef=http%3a%2f%2fwww.microsoft.com%2fcom%2fdefault.mspx
[11:24] <\sh> ok...I'll test it here again..and let's see :)
[11:24] <platos> well on the server it works, but not in a thin-client boot
 platos, 0.9.3 had serious regressions <- 0.9.4 is there also
[11:25] <spacey_ki> i had sound on my breezy laptop
[11:25] <spacey_ki> with windows app in wine
[11:25] <platos> yeah for me its a lil different... i have to have sound in my ltsp client
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, i need that as well
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, wine can't output to esd?
[11:26] <platos> well it can
[11:26] <platos> but not with the old packaged version
[11:26] <spacey_ki> platos, i just installed the version on winehq.org
[11:26] <platos> and with the new one i got a black screen
[11:26] <spacey_ki> that package works
[11:26] <platos> on your thin-client?
[11:26] <spacey_ki> although its an external repo
[11:26] <spacey_ki> didn't try on the thin client yet
[11:27] <spacey_ki> will try that next week
[11:27] <spacey_ki> figured it should work
[11:27] <platos> yeah it worked on my server as well
[11:27] <platos> but not on the thin cilent
[11:27] <Burgwork> spacey, those source packages are the same as the packages in Ubuntu
[11:27] <platos> *client
[11:27] <Burgwork> spacey_ki, ^
[11:27] <spacey_ki> Burgwork, got the binary:P
[11:27] <spacey_ki> Burgwork, same as in dapper maybe
[11:28] <Burgwork> spacey_ki, yes, in dapper
[11:28] <spacey_ki> but i don't use dapper in production
[11:28] <Burgwork> the ones in breezy are the same source packages, just old releases of wine
[11:28] <spacey_ki> yeah 
[11:29] <spacey_ki> but figured last half year of wine devel was not something to miss
[11:29] <Burgwork> not really
[11:30] <\sh> the wine packages I repackage are the original sources of winehq :) so don't blame me :)