[12:41] <Riddell> sebas: in pyqt how do I connect to a slot that takes arguments?
[12:41] <Riddell> theine: kdelibs still compiling away I'm afraid
[12:44] <theine> Riddell, no problem, I can wait as I don't have a particular desperate need for building kopete svn right now
[12:44] <Riddell> sebas: if I do SLOT("foo") is only talks to the class I inherited from
[01:02] <dholbach> good night guys
[01:02] <Riddell> night dholbach 
[01:10] <dholbach> night Riddell
[02:19] <poimen> Riddell : I got a long nap lol I havent installed dapper yet
[02:19] <poimen> going to burn it now
[02:20] <Riddell> poimen: ah well, I'm about to go to sleep :)
[02:21] <poimen> ok 
[02:21] <poimen> what hr you going to be here tomorow?
[02:22] <poimen> well its 9;21pm here
[02:22] <Riddell> I have a meeting at 08:00UTC tomorrow so I'll be up for that 
[02:22] <Riddell> it's currently 01:22UTC
[02:23] <poimen> ok
[02:23] <poimen> see you tomorow then :)
[02:31] <Riddell> freeflying_: what's happening with ttf-arphic-newsung? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1020
[02:42] <allee> Riddell: digikam{,imageplugins}-doc is in debian non-free because of GFDL and not in kubuntu yet.
[02:42] <allee> Riddell: GFDL is 'no' problem for dapper, right?  Whom do I have to trigger to get it synced?
[03:00] <Riddell> allee: FDL is fine for ubuntu
[03:00] <Riddell> for syncing ask me and I'll ask elmo
[03:01] <allee> Riddell: ok, so I ask you can you ask elmo to sync digikamimageplugins-doc? :)
[03:01] <Riddell> it's called digikamimageplugins-doc?
[03:02] <allee> Riddell: with digikam-doc I better wait until tomorrow/erro this morning.  Forgot to ask Toma is we release 0.8.1 of the docs too
[03:02] <Riddell> allee: ok, poke me tomorrow, I'm asleep now anyway
[03:02] <allee> 'k
[03:03] <allee> yeah I better sleep too but I want a first draft of digikam-0.8.1 pkg
[03:53] <freeflying_> after upgrade from breezy to dapper , I can not build packages , it will give : can not find qt 
[04:14] <poimen> dapper flight 2 is prety stable so far
[04:39] <poimen> someone kwos how to enable multiverse in dapper?
[09:14] <sebas> Riddell: self.connect(self.userlist, SIGNAL("selectionChanged(QListViewItem *)"), self.slotListClicked)
[09:15] <sebas> def slotListClicked(self,item):
[09:15] <sebas> That's an example from userconfig
[09:58] <viviersf> Riddell : pING
[09:58] <Riddell> hi viviersf 
[09:59] <viviersf> hehe
[09:59] <viviersf> hello
[09:59] <viviersf> when using kontact
[09:59] <viviersf> then you go to notes
[09:59] <viviersf> and create one
[09:59] <viviersf> it gives error about not making the file
[09:59] <viviersf> it seems that the knotes dir doesnt get created 
[10:02] <Riddell> "Unable to save the notes to /home/jr/.kde/share/apps/knotes/notes.ics. "
[10:02] <Riddell> that one?
[10:03] <viviersf> ityes
[10:03] <viviersf> *yes
[10:03] <Riddell> how insane, I don't remember seeing any reports for that
[10:03] <Riddell> maybe nobody uses knotes
[10:04] <Riddell> I'll ask the kontact people
[10:04] <Riddell> Hobbsee!
[10:04] <Hobbsee> oops, wrong command!
[10:04] <Riddell> I always suspected there was something going on with you two :)
[10:04] <Riddell> hello Huahua 
[10:04] <Hobbsee> i meant /msg seth_k|lappy, not /nick seth_k|lappy!  sheesh!
[10:04] <Huahua> hello Riddell 
[10:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, he helps me package, no more :P
[10:06] <Hobbsee> ack
[10:06] <freeflying_> Riddell: why can't I do like this " sudo apt-get build-dep kate or orther kde packages"
[10:06] <Hobbsee> cant package anything that requires kdelibs4-dev
[10:07] <Mez> yeah - whats up with kdelibs-dev ?
[10:07] <Hobbsee>  kdelibs4-dev: Depends: libkdnssd1-avahi but it is not installable
[10:08] <Riddell> hmm, did I forget to remove that?
[10:08] <Hobbsee> must have
[10:08] <Mez> Riddell: yeah  i upgraded and it removed kdelibs4-dev and something else :d
[10:09] <freeflying_> Riddell:  after I upgrade to dapper now , when I build kde package , it tell me qt or kdeincludes can not be found
[10:10] <Riddell> ok, I'll fix kdelibs4-dev now
[10:11] <Riddell> freeflying_: scim etc is ok in theory to go into main, so I'll 
[10:11] <Riddell> ask the security man to review it
[10:11] <freeflying_> Riddell: cool ,thx
[10:12] <freeflying_> Riddell: unfortunately , I can make them work on my system now 
[10:12] <Mez> Riddell: yeah - it should be fine - but for it to be backported is a no go
[10:12] <Riddell> freeflying_: can or can't?
[10:12] <freeflying_> sorry , can't
[10:12] <Riddell> freeflying_: since when do they not work?
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: excellent, thanks
[10:13] <freeflying_> Riddell: hard to tell 
[10:13] <viviersf> Riddell, well the other dude in impi office uses knotes
[10:13] <viviersf> so he is annoying me a bout it lol
[10:13] <freeflying_> Riddell: they can work well about flight-2
[10:14] <freeflying_> Riddell: but after flight-2, I turn back to breezy 
[10:14] <freeflying_> Riddell: so I don't know if this phenomenon due to the patch of immodule
[10:18] <Tonio_> hi all
[10:18] <Mez> Riddell: whats the package(s) for the zeroconf sutff
[10:19] <Riddell> Mez: new kdelibs, new kcontrol has a module added, whatever program you want but kdnssd has the ioslave
[10:20] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I'll do a fresh install to test them
[10:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kde bugs, would you suggest reporting on launchpad or bugs.kde.org ? I'm not very familiar with bug reports;)
[10:20] <Mez> Riddell: do we have a "Zeroconf places" in "Remote places" yet? 
[10:21] <Riddell> Mez: yes, should do
[10:21] <Mez> Riddell: libkdnssd-avahi
[10:21] <Mez> not available apparently
[10:22] <Riddell> Mez: that's because it doesn't exist
[10:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: depends if it's a kubuntu problem or a KDE problem
[10:22] <Mez> so why does kdnssd depend on it ?
[10:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think a kde one....
[10:22] <Riddell> Mez: guess I need to reupload that too :)
[10:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: bugs.kde.org then
[10:22] <Mez> Riddell: ah: so no Zeroconf support yet ?
[10:23] <Tonio_> ark bugs when you try to compress a folder when browsing system:/home..... but working with /home/username
[10:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: sounds like KDE then
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay thanks ;)
[10:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: just building that powersave package, and then testing kpowersave... I will let you know if that sounds good
[10:52] <viviersf> Riddell, is pmount still needed by kde 3.5 ?
[10:52] <Mez> Tonio_, darn you - I was looking at doing that
[10:52] <Riddell> viviersf: yes
[10:53] <viviersf> koies
[10:53] <viviersf> *okies
[11:04] <Tonio_> Mez: I was just thinking about test at the moment, not uploads ;)
[11:04] <Mez> ;)
[11:05] <Tonio_> Mez: I you wanna do it, no pb
[11:05] <Tonio_> Mez: already tested it ?
[11:06] <Mez> nah - lol - was looking at doing it :D but meh
[11:07] <Tonio_> ;)
[11:18] <gobbe> hello guys!
[11:25] <tvo> "configure: error: /usr/bin/xmkmf (imake) failed." which pkg do I need to make it work?
[11:25] <tvo> (kdebase, that is)
[11:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: what kdebase version?
[11:26] <Riddell> hello gobbe 
[11:27] <tvo> 3.5.0 from svn (assuming you mean tvo :) )
[11:27] <Riddell> tvo: you need the patch which is in latest kdebase in dapper
[11:28] <tvo> k, wwas already guessing something like that, now browsing the debian/ of dapper kdebase
[11:28] <Riddell> --- kdebase/kdm/configure.in.in 2006-01-10 23:50:12.000000000 +0000
[11:28] <Riddell> +++ kdebase/kdm/configure.in.in 2006-01-10 22:59:38.000000000 +0000
[11:28] <Riddell> -    if $XMKMF >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then
[11:28] <Riddell> +    if $XMKMF /etc/X11 >&5 2>&1 && test -f Makefile; then
[11:34] <tvo> cool, it works now
[11:35] <Riddell> phew :)
[11:36] <tvo> now to fix googlebar ;)
[11:45] <\sh> Riddell: kdebase needs to have a give back..informed infinity / lamont already...only that you know without switching to -devel :)
[11:50] <Riddell> I'll see your kdebase and raise a kdenetwork
[11:51] <viviersf> Riddell, 
[11:52] <viviersf> is there a kde package for pppoe ?
[11:54] <\sh> viviersf: you mean something like "pppoeconf"?
[11:54] <viviersf> yar
[11:55] <viviersf> but kdebase
[11:55] <viviersf> *kdebased
[11:55] <viviersf> or proper language
[11:56] <viviersf> qt based
[11:56] <\sh> not that I know of
[11:57] <viviersf> kk
[11:57] <viviersf> fancy putting a ,desktop file
[11:57] <viviersf> for pppoeconf 
[12:03] <freeflying_> Riddell:  I can not input chinese in kde program with either scim or other chinese input method like fcitx 
[12:43] <Riddell> viviersf: knet but I don't know if it works
[12:43] <viviersf> kk
[12:43] <viviersf> Riddell, 
[12:43] <viviersf> wont you put in a desktop file for pppoeconfig ?
[12:44] <viviersf> or is that just a bad idea
[12:44] <viviersf> or
[12:44] <viviersf> should i rather put it in an impi package
[12:44] <Riddell> I've never used pppoeconfig, I don't know anything about it
[12:44] <Lathiat> it was taken out
[12:45] <Lathiat> intentoinally
[12:45] <Lathiat> not sure why but none the less
[12:45] <Lathiat> since theres no other way to configure pppoe
[12:59] <allee> Hi all.  wlassistant: I'm looking at current pkging qualility/status and some complains.
[12:59] <allee> is it worth to spend time on wlassistant or has kubuntu already a good state of the art wlan tool?
[01:00] <Riddell> we do not
[01:00] <allee> 'k to I'll try test again here.  And decide again if it's worth fixing
[01:01] <Riddell> allee: Tonio_ already did it http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=776
[01:01] <Riddell> doesn't seem to be in the archives
[01:01] <Tonio_> hum......... Riddell debian packages of powersave and kpowersave are really crappy..... lots of lintian warnings....
[01:01] <Tonio_> isn't the clean lintian report a requirement of debian policy ?
[01:02] <Riddell> nope :)
[01:02] <allee> oh, nice.  it's in alioth svn too since month.  I'll have a look at Tonio_'s
[01:02] <Tonio_> allee: works fine except some bugs........
[01:02] <allee> Tonio_: not required but ftpmaster cal requect it
[01:02] <Riddell> yes, I seem to remember it had problems (not packaging ones)
[01:02] <allee> Tonio_: I know. but I've don't know anything better :(
[01:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact after the initial working connection
[01:02] <Tonio_> if you disconnect and reconnect, dhclient isn't launched
[01:03] <allee> easier to use that is
[01:03] <Tonio_> so you have to perform it manually.........
[01:03] <Tonio_> if that bug could be resolved it would work perfectly....
[01:03] <Tonio_> I'm using it for month and that's the only bug I found
[01:03] <Tonio_> allee: I reported the bug, but no news.... I need to find a dev to make a patch hehe
[01:03] <allee> Tonio_: and the test www.google.com reachable need to be optional (not every home network in online all the time) :(
[01:04] <Tonio_> unfortunately, I can't do it by miself
[01:04] <Tonio_> allee: is there a test performed ? I didn't saw that ;)
[01:04] <allee> Tonio_: cause you're online :)
[01:04] <Tonio_> allee: yep ;)
[01:05] <allee> Tonio_: more bugs you remember?  I add then to debian/TODO
[01:05] <Tonio_> hum..........
[01:05] <Tonio_> nope, I think that's all
[01:06] <Tonio_> allee: I will maybe place a bounty on launchpad for this...
[01:06] <Tonio_> I could pay for a dev to find the bug ;) I want this app to rock hehe
[01:07] <Tonio_> it is by far te only really clean and easy wireless connection tool I found for kde
[01:07] <Tm_T> gobbe: aye, got any?
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't there a big problem with uploads ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> it is the third package that is uploaded but missing, concerning the packages I've done
[01:11] <Tm_T> Riddell: hum, if I update kdelibs, then I lose big bunch of -dev packages
[01:11] <Tm_T> known?
[01:11] <allee> Tonio_: lemme have a look at the code first (don't hold your breath. digikam 0.8.1 has priority)
[01:11] <Tonio_> allee: ok ;)
[01:16] <gobbe> Tm_T, got what?
[01:16] <Tm_T> any answers
[01:16] <Tm_T> aah, idler!
[01:17] <gobbe> Tm_T, i'm quite hurry because f**n customers are calling and asking stupid questions ;)
[01:17] <Tm_T> gobbe: don't look at me like that ;-P
[01:18] <Tm_T> and I'm not asking anything stupid imo
[01:18] <gobbe> hihi
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: none of the packages that I upload have problems, but then I upload with my own address in the changelog so I get the output
[01:21] <Tm_T> hmh, should I keep jabber audio support in kopete or just compile with unsermake
[01:22] <Tm_T> compiling speed vs one new function
[01:22] <Tm_T> install times: with unsermake ~10s and with make ~2min
[01:23] <Riddell> why does jabber audio support not compile with unsermake?
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay, I will prompt siretart and then if he doesn"t know email elmo
[01:23] <Tm_T> dunno yet, DarkShock has somewhere the error of it...
[01:23] <JRe> Tonio_: when you have time to make the Keep package, pokes me I have one or two thing to tell you
[01:23] <Tonio_> JRe: it is planed by the end of the afternoon ;)
[01:24] <JRe> Tonio_: ok, cool :)
[01:24] <Tm_T> ok, it's lost, I'll try to use unsermake myself to get error out
[01:24] <sealne> Riddell: do you think kde3.5 for breezy is perfectly fine to get people to use (for the forensics students)
[01:26] <Riddell> sealne: yeah should be
[01:26] <sealne> i'd have thought so my self but wanted a second opinion :)
[01:26] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5 <3
[01:28] <sealne> starting an install tat i wanted to time just before wanting to go to the gym was a bad idea
[01:30] <Tm_T> Riddell: have you tested kopete 0.12 branch?
[01:31] <Tm_T> if you like, I might make package of it, so people can test it (without quarantee ofcourse ;p)
[01:54] <gobbe> my workpal is now installing kubuntu and updating to kde3.5 and he's quite big gentoo fan :D
[01:55] <Riddell> :)
[01:57] <freeflying_> Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1477
[01:58] <Riddell> freeflying_: I don't suppose that fixes all the problems with chinese in KDE?
[01:58] <freeflying_> Riddell:  that's just upstream release fix some bugs
[01:59] <Riddell> yep
[02:00] <freeflying_> Riddell: have you triedd skim in dapper
[02:01] <freeflying_> s/triedd/tried
[02:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: not really, I don't know how to use it
[02:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: I'm now rebuilding qt removing immodule patch 
[02:11] <\sh> Riddell: added 2 new searchproviders to kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts...lpbug:<bugno> and lpproduct:<productname> 
[02:11] <Riddell> \sh: what are the existing shortcuts again?
[02:11] <Riddell> ah, already uploaded
[02:13] <Riddell> ubw should be uwiki in my opinion and should point to wiki.kubuntu.org, I'll change that in a bit
[02:40] <Lathiat> i got a question
[02:40] <Lathiat> is it just me
[02:40] <Lathiat> or is there no way to turn the clock into 12-hour mode
[02:41] <\sh> of course ther eis
[02:41] <\sh> right click on the clock
[02:41] <Riddell> this is KDE
[02:41] <\sh> then date & time format
[02:41] <\sh> then click on time & dates tab
[02:42] <\sh> and select the second entry in time format
[02:42] <\sh> press apply and ok...and feel free to dance the am/pm dance
[02:42] <\sh> and you have to restart the clock applet :)
[02:43] <Riddell> jjesse: gobbe here says he'd love to help with Kubuntu docs
[02:43] <Riddell> Lathiat: what's the status of avahi off by default?
[02:44] <Lathiat> \sh: oh
[02:44] <Lathiat> \sh: i see
[02:44] <Lathiat> thats totally unobvious
[02:44] <Lathiat> :)
[02:44] <\sh> well..the time format is somehow localized setting...so it belongs to the locale settings in kde
[02:45] <Lathiat> Riddell: to be honest i havent really ever touched the avahi package
[02:45] <Riddell> Lathiat: oh, why did I think you had then?
[02:45] <Lathiat> i work on avahi
[02:45] <Lathiat> just havent touched the debian package
[02:47] <Riddell> Lathiat: ok, sorry for the hassle then :)
[02:47] <Riddell> I see slomo in the changelog, I'll ask him
[02:47] <Lathiat> yeh slomo has done a fair bit
[02:47] <Lathiat> and ross
[02:47] <Lathiat> simple change none the less
[02:47] <Lathiat> could just not install avahi-daemon
[02:47] <Lathiat> which works fine
[02:47] <Lathiat> means its harder to get when you want it tho
[02:47] <Lathiat> that said just installing it means it wont work anymore
[02:48] <Lathiat> its a tradeoff really
[02:50] <Riddell> how does not installing avahi-daemon work?
[02:50] <Lathiat> Riddell: libavahiclient doesnt depend on avahi-daemon
[02:50] <Lathiat> and apps will run without it running just the same as it being off by default
[02:51] <Lathiat> and if avahi starts theyll pick up and start using it (assumign its coded correctly)
[02:51] <Riddell> but you need the daemon to advertise anything presumably?
[02:51] <Lathiat> Riddell: you need it for anything
[02:51] <Lathiat> to advertise or browse
[02:52] <Lathiat> there is an option to turn off advertising by default but that doesnt satisfy the whole no open port thing
[02:52] <Riddell> so when you say not installing avahi-daemon works fine that's not really the case :)
[02:52] <Lathiat> Riddell: it works jsut as well as not starting it by default when installed ?
[02:52] <Riddell> why doesn't it satisfy no open ports?
[02:52] <Lathiat> because avahi listens on a port
[02:52] <Lathiat> if its started
[02:52] <Lathiat> (the daemon)
[02:53] <Lathiat> and ubuntu policy is not to listen on any port in default config
[02:53] <Riddell> yep
[02:53] <Lathiat> that said
[02:53] <Lathiat> the libc resolver listens on a port when in use
[02:53] <Lathiat> so you know :P)
[02:53] <Lathiat> -P
[02:55] <Riddell> it's probably easier to code the kcontrol module to edit /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon than to install avahi-daemon is my thinking
[02:55] <Lathiat> well
[02:55] <Lathiat> yes
[02:55] <Lathiat> let me change the package now
[02:55] <Lathiat> will have to ask ross & slomo what they think
[02:55] <Lathiat> and it has the disadvantage of installing avahi-daemon meaning it doesnt work
[02:57] <Riddell> can have a postinst saying "edit /etc/defaults/avahi-daemon to turn on"
[02:57] <Lathiat> or on boot like some other things do
[02:57] <Lathiat> rsync daemon ex
[02:58] <Lathiat> hrm
[02:59] <Lathiat> i dont know how to ask the rules file to install an extra file in /etc/defaults
[02:59] <Lathiat> CDBS styles?
[02:59] <Riddell> edit the .install file
[02:59] <Lathiat> ah
[02:59] <Lathiat> and just add it
[02:59] <Lathiat> how do i specify the place to put it?
[03:00] <Riddell> debian/avahi-daemon.defaults debian/avahi-daemon/etc/defaults/avahi-daemon
[03:00] <Riddell> or something
[03:00] <Lathiat> yeh i think so
[03:00] <Lathiat> or just etc/
[03:00] <Lathiat> maybe
[03:00] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:01] <Riddell> freeflying_: scim 1.4.4 looks fine, uploading
[03:02] <freeflying_> Riddell: nice 
[03:24] <\sh> Riddell: swfdec 0.3.6 building
[03:24] <\sh> and it has a lot of pointer to integer of different size warnings...shame on upstream
[03:31] <JakubS> Riddell: is libkdnssd-avahi folded into kdelibs4c2a package now?
[03:32] <\sh> Riddell: uploaded
[03:33] <Riddell> JakubS: yes
[03:34] <JakubS> then kdnssd package should now have libkdnssd-avahi as dependence
[03:34] <JakubS> s/now/not/
[03:34] <Riddell> JakubS: correct :)
[03:34] <Riddell> but the new kdenetwork is waiting on the new kdelibs
[03:37] <\sh> Riddell: brrr..why didn't you tell me that swfdec is main
[03:38] <Riddell> umm, I didn't know, does it matter?
[03:38] <Riddell> I just saw that a new version was out
[03:38] <\sh> if it breaks yes :)
[03:38] <\sh> I will be blamed :) but anyways...new versions are good :)
[03:38] <Riddell> and it's fine to break universe of course :)
[03:38] <JakubS> btw: i checked kwin4 and it can publish/find games on LAN no problems
[03:39] <\sh> Riddell: yes, but not main :)
[03:39] <Riddell> JakubS: ok, maybe I'm being silly, I'll try again once I've sorted out these KDE packages
[03:41] <JakubS> and mateedit freezes completely when trying to create session, no idea why
[03:43] <sealne> Riddell: is http the only way to get kubuntu.org/packages/* ?
[03:47] <Riddell> sealne: yes
[03:47] <Riddell> how else would you like?
[03:47] <sealne> rsync?
[03:48] <\sh> via apt?
[03:48] <\sh> there is an apt-rsync?
[03:48] <Riddell> \sh: apt talks http
[03:48] <sealne> nah to make a local mirror
[03:48] <\sh> Riddell: that's what I know :)
[03:48] <sealne> and ofcourse ftp
[03:48] <\sh> sealne: oh...wget in mirror mode?
[03:49] <sealne> which is nasty and leaves crap lying around
[03:49] <Riddell> sealne: I don't really have any way of settings that up but most of the packages are also on ftp.kde.org which is mirrored on mirrorservice.org which does have rsync
[03:49] <sealne> k
[03:49] <Riddell> but more delay that way
[03:50] <sealne> better than it used to be, i rember mirror had 2 year old versions of samba
[04:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: that jingle&unsermake issue: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/502428
[04:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: it needs -I.. set or something
[04:02] <Riddell> Tm_T: is the code in SVN?
[04:03] <Tm_T> yes
[04:04] <Tm_T> http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Kopete+Jabber+Jingle
[04:04] <jjesse> Riddell: for the docs we should remove any reference to bugzilla but what is the best link to submit a kubuntu specific bug? 
[04:05] <Riddell> yes, good point.  https://launchpad.net/malone
[04:05] <jjesse> Riddell: do i need to reference a specific distro? like https://launchpad.net/malone/distro/XXXX or just use https://launchpad.net/malone/distro/ubuntu
[04:06] <jjesse> where XXXX is kubuntu or is there not a distro for kubuntu?
[04:06] <Riddell> kubuntu is the same as ubuntu as far as malone knows I think
[04:08] <jjesse> when does flight3 come out?
[04:10] <Riddell> jjesse: tomorrow possibly
[04:11] <jjesse> Riddell: are the updated release notes going in there?  is there any i need to update for flight3?
[04:12] <Riddell> hmm, I should do a kubuntu-docs upload should I?
[04:12] <Riddell> you could add that zeroconf support and CJK are in, although neither is really tested
[04:18] <jjesse> Riddell: anything else that should be added to the release notes?
[04:19] <Riddell> jjesse: I think that's all for now
[04:46] <tvo> hmm, that right-click menu on konqui searchbar has never worked I think
[04:48] <hunger> Is zeroconf enabled in kubuntu now?
[04:48] <Riddell> hunger: I just uploaded kdebase and kdenetwork so cross your fingers that that'll compile OK and it will in a couple of hours
[04:49] <hunger> Riddell: Ah! I saw something about it when updating kdelibs and was wondering why konqui does not understand "zeroconf:/"
[04:49] <hunger> Riddell: Thanks for enlightening me once again.
[04:50] <Riddell> hunger: yeah, you need kdnssd which isn't installable until the new kdenetwork is in
[04:50] <Tm_T> :)
[04:50] <hunger> Riddell: Will that be part of dapper's kubuntu install?
[05:12] <poimen> hello
[05:12] <poimen> :)
[05:14] <poimen> Riddell hello
[05:16] <Riddell> hello poimen 
[05:16] <poimen> Riddell : I got dapper flight installed and I did apt-get upgrade and downloaded 300mb of new sofware now I am doing the same :)
[05:16] <Riddell> awooga
[05:16] <poimen> lol
[05:16] <poimen> today kubuntu is broken too?
[05:17] <poimen> nevermind I am just finishing this 20mb download to install all the software 
[05:34] <poimen> hum. anoting bug in my machine in kde
[05:35] <Riddell> what's that?
[05:35] <poimen> I get 8 monted icons of /dev/hdb drive in the desktop lol and I dont even have a cd in the drive
[05:35] <poimen> also I get a /dev/hda icon showing it mounted
[05:35] <poimen> also I dont have any cd in the drive
[05:36] <poimen> let see if I can delet them via konsole because I cant with the gui
[05:36] <poimen> nope I cant
[05:39] <poimen> kde mount it like this media:/hdb7   media:/hdb6 media:/hdb5   etc...  when I put a cd in I click on any icon and I get to the same files 
[05:39] <poimen> strange thing
[05:41] <poimen> lol and If I want to eject a cd a I have to give the eject comand to all the 8 icons
[05:41] <poimen> lol
[06:25] <nlindblad> Riddell: sorry
[06:25] <Riddell> nlindblad: hmm?
[06:26] <nlindblad> marked it invalid
[06:26] <Riddell> nlindblad: oh that's fine, nobody harmed
[06:28] <\sh> so...psi-0.10 is just finished to be ready for the archives
[06:30] <\sh> Riddell: do we get kde-3.5.1 before the 19th?
[06:31] <\sh> January 20th, 2006: Tagging KDE 3.5.1
[06:32] <\sh> well..I think we can get it in
[06:33] <Tm_T> :)
[06:41] <Riddell> nlindblad: don't be put off :)
[06:42] <nlindblad> Riddell: I won't
[06:43] <bobesponja> Riddell: [posted on #kubuntu]   i don't know if it's too late for drapper but please consider using showimg instead of gwenview, it's really has nice features see http://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/
[06:43] <Tm_T> gwenview just works
[06:44] <Riddell> showimg doesn't even compile
[06:44] <Tm_T> hehe
[06:44] <bobesponja> Riddell: there's a new version out today
[06:45] <Riddell> bobesponja: oh cool, are you able to see if it compiles with dapper?
[06:46] <bobesponja> Riddell: sure, it does on my sid, i'll tell you about drapper
[06:46] <bobesponja> I'm gonna try now
[06:47] <trappist> showimg does look pretty sweet.  looks like my gimv would look if it were pretty.
[06:48] <bobesponja> trappist: it is really sweet
[06:48] <bobesponja> :)
[06:49] <bobesponja> it can also use kipi plugins
[06:49] <bobesponja> but I think gwenview too
[08:00] <allee> bobesponja: yes, showimg, gwenview and digikam, kimdaba use kipi-plugins
[08:34] <\sh> wow...jim is thinking about applying a 2004 patch towards pykde...because I discussed again to loud
[08:34] <Riddell> go \sh  :)
[08:35] <\sh> well...I mentioned that kubuntu is shipping pykde in their main repositories and even the great kubuntu leader is coding with pykde :)
[08:35] <\sh> great kubuntu leader != sabdfl
[08:36] <Riddell> hmm?  who's that then?
[08:37] <\sh> who else then you :)
[08:37] <Riddell> oh, him :)
[08:38] <Riddell> yeah, pykde rocks
[08:38] <Tm_T> yeah, he is king
[08:38] <Tm_T> ...you mean me?! :O
[08:38] <apokryphos> kubuntu dedication to pykde -- perfect, my plan to convert my brother is developing.
[08:38] <\sh> hmm...what about starting a discussion on kde-devel with the topic "kde development cycle should match kubuntus release cycle"...and as argument "if you don't follow our rules, we will switch to gnome"
[08:38] <\sh> hehehe
[08:39] <Tm_T> \sh: yeah!
[08:39] <\sh> dum dum de dum kubuntu de dum dum kubuntu :) 
[08:40] <apokryphos> a kubuntu theme tune; perfect.
[08:40] <Tm_T> \sh: whoooops
[08:40] <\sh> apokryphos: actually it's the ubuntu thought crime song :)
[08:41] <apokryphos> ok, back to the piano/drums to develop a unique kubuntu one then
[08:41] <Tm_T> \sh: well, response was mostly just "lol"... people doesn't takee us seriously, how's your gnome installing is going on?
[08:41] <Tm_T> -e
[08:41] <Tm_T> I'm about to finish it
[08:42] <\sh> Tm_T: hehe :) 
[08:42] <Tm_T> hey, don't laugh! gnome isn't fun
[08:42] <\sh> Tm_T: I have all three desktop environments on my laptop..so I can switch quite easily
[08:42] <Riddell> three?
[08:42] <\sh> gnome, kde, xfce
[08:43] <Tm_T> yeah, but now you can't use kde anymore, it was your idea!
[08:43] <\sh> Tm_T: actually I know this would never happen in the near future..:) 
[08:44] <Tm_T> haha
[08:44] <Tm_T> damn, why I'm using gnome then? I'm switching back
[08:44] <\sh> Riddell: you don't know anything about xubuntu? :)
[08:45] <Riddell> \sh: only that they stole ivman off us
[08:45] <Riddell> I don't know their status though
[08:45] <Tm_T> xubuntu is quite good, I installed it to my older sister's laptop
[08:46] <\sh> I'm waiting now for suns project named cubuntu ubuntu with cde
[08:46] <Riddell> yuck
[08:47] <Tm_T> noooo
[08:47] <Tm_T> wubuntu, ubuntu with WindowMaker <3
[08:47] <\sh> well, to be honest, on a sun blade 1000 cde was much more usable then kde 2.x or gnome 1
[08:47] <Tm_T> wubuntu sounds funny :p
[08:48] <Tm_T> me too?
[08:48] <nlindblad> sure
[08:49] <Tm_T> get away from me you pervert!
[08:49] <\sh> hmmm..utnubu.com is registered by canonical...why not kutnubu?
[08:49] <Tm_T> \sh: =)
[08:49] <Tm_T> nubu aka noob
[08:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: ;)
[08:50] <nlindblad> Tm_T: no gay feelings now
[08:50] <nlindblad> cause you ain't gonna get any back :D
[08:50] <Tm_T> gay? you swedish are all blond and thinking gay...
[08:51] <Tm_T> yuk!
[08:51] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:52] <Tm_T> nlindblad: btw you don't even know my sex so how you can blame me gayish
[08:52] <nlindblad> true
[08:52] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:52] <nlindblad> do you know mine?
[08:53] <Tm_T> (and thats why I wonder how the hell you could know that I'm gay)
[08:53] <Tm_T> whoops
[08:53] <nlindblad> :D
[08:53] <Tm_T> ok, that wasn't funny written... I need coffee ->
[08:54] <nlindblad> Tm_T: you're gay?
[08:54] <Riddell> you'd never get away with this sort of conversation in #ubuntu-devel
[08:54] <\sh> nlindblad: who is not gay? :)
[08:55] <nlindblad> Riddell: shouldn't _all_ feature requests go through launchpad?
[08:56] <Riddell> nlindblad: major feature requests should be a spec on launchpad, packages for inclusion to MOTU, other stuff can be wishlist beastie items
[08:57] <nlindblad> I see
[08:57] <nlindblad> so thunderbird being compiled with other options shouldn't go to launchpad but stay in bugzilla?
[08:58] <Riddell> yes, that's a wishlist beastie
[08:58] <nlindblad> right
[08:58] <nlindblad> damn, got it wrong twice today
[08:59] <Tm_T> nlindblad: nope, but I do have twisted sense humour
[08:59] <Tm_T> +of
[08:59] <nlindblad> Tm_T: okey, good to know
[08:59] <Tm_T> so don't try me ;)
[08:59] <Riddell> motu meeting on #ubuntu-meeting
[09:00] <\sh> nlindblad: until tomorrow :)
[09:00] <nlindblad> motu?
[09:00] <\sh> yes
[09:00] <nlindblad> means?
[09:01] <Tm_T> masters of the universe
[09:01] <nlindblad> okey
[09:01] <Riddell> nlindblad: the community that looks after all the universe packages
[09:01] <Tm_T> err, how that sounds he-man -like
[09:01] <Riddell> Tm_T: I think that's the idea :)
[09:01] <Tm_T> aye
[09:01] <Tm_T> I think too
[09:02] <Tm_T> but... nevermind, you haven't seen it
[09:06] <nlindblad> maybe I'm to dumb to handle bug reports
[09:09] <Riddell> nlindblad: why?  you do good
[09:10] <nlindblad> hmm, maybe I'll get more experienced in time
[09:10] <nlindblad> s/in time/the more time I spend/
[09:11] <Riddell> yes, do lots more!
[09:19] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:19] <Tm_T> work harder! *whip*
[09:24] <nlindblad> Tm_T: okey, will do
[09:24] <nlindblad> a little tired this evening
[09:24] <nlindblad> got home an hour later than usually
[09:25] <nlindblad> because when I came to the bus terminal the bus that I should switch to wasn't there
[09:25] <nlindblad> it had engine problems
[09:28] <Tm_T> I pushde 15min big van from icy parking lot
[09:28] <Tm_T> it was +1 when it was parked, -1 when it was supposed to move
[09:29] <Tm_T> glad I'm big and strong
[09:29] <Tm_T> like 53kg ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> anyway gone ->
[10:47] <hunger> Riddell: zeroconf seams to work for me... nothing to see since this is the only box on my lan, but konqui displays an empty page when doing zeroconf:/ now.
[10:47] <Riddell> hunger: use kpf to publish something and it should show up
[10:48] <hunger> Riddell: Aehmmm... how?
[10:49] <Riddell> hunger: add public fileshare applet to kicker
[10:50] <Riddell> it's a kicker applet
[10:50] <hunger> It is listed... but when I try to access the server my panel crashes.
[10:51] <hunger> So zeroconf seems to work... but kpf doesen't:-(
[10:55] <Riddell> hum, that's not good
[10:57] <trappist> kpf doesn't have an executable
[10:57] <hunger> Riddell: What I find way more annoying is that ksysguard does not do cpufreq info anymor.
[10:58] <hunger> Riddell: It gives the max frequency all the time! scaling_cur_freq is definitly lower.
[11:03] <hunger> Riddell: Hmmm... ksysguardd is rather oldish... doesen't use /sys but some file in proc. I think that just does not contain the necessary info anymore:-(
[11:13] <bobesponja> I'm trying to compile showimg but I get an error  about libXft.la, it doesn't exists 
[11:14] <bobesponja> and grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la return many files
[11:14] <bobesponja> but i installed all the dev libs and it's still not there
[11:14] <bobesponja> anybody know what's the problem?
[11:15] <allee> bobesponja: yep the .la files was in breezy but is now no longer in dapper
[11:15] <allee> is your system updated from breezy to dapper?
[11:15] <Riddell> bobesponja: use a dapper chroot
[11:15] <Riddell> or use dapper
[11:15] <bobesponja> Riddell: I use a drapper
[11:15] <bobesponja> Riddell: I installed from the iso
[11:15] <bobesponja> the drapper iso
[11:16] <bobesponja> Dapper Drake Flight 2 
[11:16] <Riddell> grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*la
[11:17] <hunger> Riddell: Bah, ksysguard is seriously rotten! It does not even know /sys yet!
[11:17] <bobesponja> Riddell: yep, that's what I did and it looks like many kde app still depends on it
[11:18] <bobesponja> in drapper
[11:18] <Riddell> very few here
[11:18] <Riddell> use a chroot then
[11:19] <bobesponja> Riddell: chroot into what?
[11:19] <Riddell> your chroot :)
[11:19] <Riddell> see DebootstrapChroot
[11:19] <allee> bobesponja: for all makefiles: grep LIB_ Makefile.am | grep lXft
[11:20] <bobesponja> allee: nothing
[11:21] <allee> bobesponja: if you find noting then one of the build deps brings it in:  Not sure how to fix it then
[11:21] <allee> ah, grep for _LIB too ;)
[11:24] <bobesponja> allee: still nothing
[11:24] <bobesponja> wait
[11:25] <Riddell> longest MOTU meeting ever...
[11:25] <bobesponja> nope still nothing
[11:26] <crimsun> Riddell: no kidding. I have to duck out for yet another meeting.
[11:27] <allee> bobesponja: sorry I ran out of idea.  what showimg version are you trying to build?
[11:27] <bobesponja> 0.95
[11:27] <allee> where can I download tar + diff?
[11:27] <bobesponja> I need to try the debootstrap I guess
[11:28] <bobesponja> allee: http://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/download/0.9.5/showimg-0.9.5.tar.bz2
[11:30] <bobesponja> allee: tell me if you succeed :)
[11:32] <allee> bobesponja: me awaits 3 hours highway now.  I will have a look tomorrow.  Just wanted to make sure it's  that I have it on my disk before I leave.
[11:33] <bobesponja> allee: ok
[11:34] <bobesponja> allee: I'll bug you tomorrow then to know how it turned out :)
[11:34] <allee> bobesponja: mhmm I've to write 2 emails can't hurt to run debuild right now ...
[11:34] <bobesponja> allee: sure
[11:35] <hunger> If only malone wouldn't be so confusing!
[11:37] <hunger> ... and I assigned it to kubuntu team as well. I hope that is the proper team for this.
[11:38] <hunger> Good night!
[11:47] <allee> bobesponja: builds fine here: -rw-r--r-- 1 ach ach 3582880 2006-01-12 23:41 ../../showimg_0.9.5-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:48] <allee> bobesponja: I've also dapper from flight2.  Strange that I did not run into the same problem
[11:49] <bobesponja> allee: do you use universe?
[11:49] <bobesponja> allee: maybe that messes it up
[11:49] <allee> they, main restricted universe and multiverse
[11:50] <bobesponja> allee: well thanx, you can tell Riddell about it because he told me he would give it a try as a gwenview replacement if it compiles
[11:52] <bobesponja> allee: can you give me the command line to build the dep, i'd like to try
[11:52] <bobesponja> to build the deb 
[11:52] <allee> digikam 0.8.1 rc1 debs for brezzy and dapper please test: http://rafb.net/paste/results/6QgnvR32.html
[11:52] <allee> breezy deb is just a pbuild.  so may not run at all.  Not tested.  have to go now
[11:53] <allee> bobesponja: unpacked 0.9.5 added 0.9.4.1 diff.gz debian dir and run : debuild
[11:53] <allee> bobesponja: no big magic ;)
[11:53] <bobesponja> :)
[11:53] <bobesponja> thx
[11:54] <allee> bye
[11:54] <bobesponja> good night