[12:03] <neko> bimberi: i'll see if I can. the affected machine's screwing up royally atm
[12:04] <bimberi> neko: ok.  btw sorry i wasn't very clear before - you need the main repository - but not just the one on the CD
[12:06] <neko> bimberi: http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[12:07] <_joe_> just installed kubuntu ( i use ubuntu); how do i set kubuntu up to look/feel like a mac?
[12:08] <Psi-Jack> Okay. NOW I'm truely impressed. Being able to adjust network settings from within KDE's System Settings, is a major cool thing. :)
[12:11] <neko> bimberi: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/501665
[12:12] <_joe_> i remember that there was a wizard that lets youset up kde preferences to be like windows/mac/w/e ,, where is it?
[12:17] <bimberi> neko: that looks fine - not sure what the issue is - have you updated recently? does "apt-cache policy gdb" show anything meaningful?
[12:19] <neko> bimberi: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/501679
[12:20] <bimberi> neko: sudo aptitude update
[12:25] <neko> bimberi: found it now thanks
[12:26] <bimberi> neko: yw :)
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, that sucked.. In Kopete, under Devices. Trying to set it up to use my M-318B webcam, instead of my Pinnacle PCTV Rave, it just plain locked up my computer.
[12:29] <Psi-Jack> Well, here goes, a second attempt...
[12:31] <cku> easiest way to install ardour...help. por favor?
[12:32] <cku> anyone....1st bidder would be nice
[12:32] <theine> Hi, what can I do against kmix showing its main window when I log in?
[12:33] <ninnghizidha> how can i recolor the ugly yellow tooltips?
[12:34] <Psi-Jack> And it did it again. :(
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> I have an spca50x-based webcam.. Does anyone know how to get those to work?
[12:35] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: that's because the spca5xx driver ubuntu ships with is broken
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> Aha!
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> How do I fix it?
[12:35] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: i can send you a version that i've compiled myself
[12:36] <Psi-Jack> Sure.. I'll try it. Why not, eh? :)
[12:36] <arrinmurr> ...if you have upgraded your system so you have the same kernel version i do
[12:36] <Psi-Jack> Well, I've did a full upgrade since 5.10's stock install, but the -10 revision kernel didn't work in grub.. It couldn't find the root filesystem..
[12:37] <arrinmurr> hmm.. maybe it wouldn't work for you then
[12:37] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I'm running 2.6.12-9
[12:38] <star> I am new and want to play videios are there any players like win media
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> star: Ironically, there's several media players for Linux.
[12:38] <star> other then real player
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> KDE has Kaffeine
[12:38] <cku> mplayer's the best I've seen so far
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> And there's mplayer
[12:39] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: So, basically, you'd suggesting I need to manually upgrade my kernel?
[12:39] <star> I am have trouble playing Kaffeine
[12:39] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: well, i could send you the file to try anyway. i guess it wouldn't do any worse harm than the one you have now.
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Heh yeah, really. Is it a kernel module or something?
[12:40] <Blippe> and if you wanna try something that WILL crash, try out noatun!
[12:40] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: no, i'm just saying that the driver i've compiled with the -10 kernel possibly wouldn't work for you
[12:40] <star> I got mplayer to but it dosent seem to want to play videio
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Did you compile with module versioning?
[12:41] <Blippe> star, i myself like vlc
[12:41] <star> how do I get vlc
[12:41] <_joe_> i remember that there was a wizard that lets youset up kde preferences to be like windows/mac/w/e ,, where is it?
[12:41] <Psi-Jack> And how do I get Kopete to not require me to enter my "Wallet" password?
[12:42] <star> is that through adept
[12:42] <Blippe> star in adept or synaptic or whatever you use...
[12:42] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: i followed this howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75284
[12:43] <star> thank you I will try that
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: That'll work.
[12:43] <Blippe> star look at restrictedformats
[12:43] <Blippe> !restrictedformats
[12:43] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[12:44] <Blippe> star, it might be because you don't have a codec you're having problems
[12:45] <star> how do I install codec
[12:45] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Yeah, definately good looking stuff.. I'll follow this. Thanks for the tip.
[12:45] <Blippe> star it is all in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[12:47] <Psi-Jack> Now, lets see if it works. :
[12:47] <neko> since a panel crash, artsd keeps crashing when I start kde (http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/501711 for backtrace). any ideas?
[12:49] <globe> how do I make gnome my default window manager after installing KDE?
[12:50] <Blippe> star, you stille here, there is more kubuntu material in https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RestrictedFormats
[12:50] <Psi-Jack> Obviously, that didn't work. :/
[12:51] <Blippe> globe, you might wanna change from kdm to gdm too, and then it will all solve itself :D
[12:51] <globe> Blippe: ?
[12:51] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/usb/media/ is there a spca50x.so or something? older version of that howto included a command to remove it
[12:52] <Blippe> kdm and gdm are the loginmanagers.
[12:52] <globe> Blippe: okay.  Where do I change that?
[12:52] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I followed everthing to the T.
[12:52] <Blippe> when you installed kde it asked which one you wanted to use...
[12:53] <globe> right.  I said KDE.  there has to be a way to change it back
[12:53] <Blippe> there is two ways to fix 'em back
[12:53] <Blippe> kdM
[12:54] <Blippe> one find that commando and execute it
[12:54] <Psi-Jack> There is no spca50x.ko, just spca5xx.ko
[12:54] <Blippe> the other is to "uninstall" gdm and then install it again, it will ask you the same question again!
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> Well, I'll try it again...
[12:55] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ah, ok. hm. and it really is the newly compiled one? strange..
[12:55] <globe> Blippe: I am sorry, but I am not getting any of this.
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Pretty sure, yes.
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> What else, other than Kopete, can I use to test it?
[12:55] <Blippe> wait I will find the command..
[12:56] <globe> okay.
[12:56] <globe> thanks
[12:56] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: VLC, camorama, motion (http://motion.sourceforge.net/)
[12:57] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: and gnomemeeting
[12:58] <Psi-Jack> VLC eh? I'll try that. :)
[12:59] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: yeah, just open capture device -> /dev/video0
[12:59] <Blippe> globe open a terminal and write "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" without the "'s
[12:59] <Blippe> hit enter and type your password...
[01:00] <globe> ooh....that sounds right
[01:01] <Blippe> did it work?
[01:02] <Blippe> I take that as a yes then?
[01:03] <Blippe> !
[01:03] <ubotu> Blippe: Bugger all, i dunno
[01:05] <globe> Blippe ... do you know where the script that I can kill the X with the term? .... its something like /etc/xorg stop or somethin
[01:05] <globe> The command did do what I wanted, but I have to kill X for it to take effect
[01:05] <Blippe> no... I just know the killall Xorg version...
[01:06] <Blippe> I don't know just how good it is to do that...
[01:06] <globe> um. I am going to restart my computer.
[01:07] <Psi-Jack_v2> Okay, first things first. Why isn't -10 able to mount my root filesystem? I'm using XFS, and it works excelently with -9
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> My /boot partition, where grub is, is ext3, but / is XFS.
[01:09] <GameOver> Hey everyone.... i have a problem with firefox.... i uninstalled mplayer, and vlc player... yet it still shows them int he about:plugins... how do i take them out?
[01:10] <globe> thanks....than worked.
[01:11] <globe> now if I could just get my screen res > 800x600
[01:12] <Blippe> /etc/X11/Xorg.conf
[01:12] <Blippe> but I'm going to bed... :P
[01:12] <globe> Blippe : I wish.  its a driver problem.
[01:12] <globe> thanks for all your help
[01:12] <Blippe> Ic
[01:12] <computinchuck> can amarok read mp4/aac tags?
[01:12] <GameOver> can anyone help with firefox?
[01:13] <computinchuck> rather, id3v2 tags embedded in mp4/aac files
[01:13] <globe> GameOver just go ahead and ask the question about your problem....if somebody knows, they'll answer ;-)
[01:14] <GameOver> i uninstalled mplayer, and vlc player
[01:14] <GameOver> yet in the about:plugins, its still shows
[01:14] <GameOver> how do i get it out
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Crap.
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Apparently 14mb just isn't enough anymore for /boot
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Not even two kernels can fully fit in that space anymore. heh
[01:22] <advers> hello
[01:22] <advers> can someone help me
[01:22] <globe> advers:
[01:22] <advers> ok
[01:23] <globe> advers: post the question to the room....if somebody knows, they will do their best
[01:24] <advers> when I try to write smb.conf it will not let me, says I do not have write access, kate has a terminal built into it so I logged in to root from that and still, no change, can someone help me get it to work?
[01:24] <advers> Right now I am trying to setup Samba
[01:25] <globe> advers: are you on kubuntu?
[01:25] <advers> yes
[01:25] <cku> anyone knows how to run wine?
[01:25] <Psi-Jack> Welp.
[01:25] <Psi-Jack> I gotta go RE install Kubuntu. heh
[01:25] <globe> advers: sudo your write
[01:25] <arrinmurr> cku: wine application.exe
[01:25] <Psi-Jack> I didn't make any room to spare for /boot. heh
[01:25] <globe> advers: how are you editing smb.conf?
[01:26] <advers> with Kate
[01:26] <advers> BUT
[01:26] <advers> i tried to open it in terminal
[01:26] <advers> with nano
[01:26] <advers> why is it such a hassle to clear out the text
[01:26] <advers> using nano
[01:26] <advers> i didnt know how to type in new text either
[01:27] <advers> Id rather just use kate somehow
[01:27] <advers> or osmething like it
[01:27] <advers> not through terminal
[01:27] <globe> I dont know Kate...just VI.
[01:27] <advers> ok
[01:27] <advers> I'll use that
[01:27] <advers> what is VI hehe
[01:28] <globe> vi is a text editor...been around for years.  Its one of those thnigs thats a pain in the rear if you dont know what your doing.
[01:28] <globe> can you launch Kate from a term window?
[01:28] <advers> yes i think so
[01:28] <charwood> globe: Kate is very simple.  Like notepad but with syn highlighting.
[01:29] <charwood> globe: I'm pretty sure that it is simply kwrite + a couple file management features.
[01:29] <advers> i type in kate in terminal
[01:29] <advers> it says
[01:29] <charwood> advers: Don't use vi unless you are willing to put a lot of time into learning it.
[01:29] <globe> advers: add 'sudo' to the start of the term cmd to launch kate
[01:29] <advers> i would rahter not, because im just wanting to setup samba atm
[01:30] <advers> so type sudo kate?
[01:30] <arrinmurr> globe: no, kdesu
[01:30] <charwood> advers: Hmmm...  there is no reason you should have to be root to run kate.  Try kwrite.
[01:30] <globe> sorry...I have never herd of Kate....
[01:30] <advers> says
[01:30] <advers> cannot connect to X server
[01:30] <charwood> advers:  Ah.  You're in a terminal?
[01:31] <advers> lol yea
[01:31] <advers> im sort've new to linux
[01:31] <charwood> advers: Sorry.  I missed the first part of the conversation.
[01:31] <globe> I didnt get that either
[01:31] <advers> oh hehe
[01:31] <advers> OHH
[01:31] <charwood> advers: Kate also requires an X session (can't be run in a terminal)
[01:31] <advers> im supposed to type this in commnad line
[01:31] <globe> charwood: is emacs easy enough?
[01:31] <globe> charwood: I have never used it
[01:31] <advers> X as in the GUI?
[01:32] <globe> advers: yep
[01:32] <GameOver> anyone know how to change the default media players.. or disable/enable them in firefox?
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> Welp, I'll be back next install. heh
[01:32] <advers> im in KDE right now
[01:32] <advers> im not doing terminal, i was using the terminal program
[01:32] <advers> my bad
[01:32] <advers> it opened Kwrite up
[01:32] <advers> but
[01:32] <advers> lets start from scratch!
[01:32] <advers> DO i need to type sudo first
[01:32] <charwood> advers: good idea.
[01:33] <globe> GameOver: you might try right clicking on the file and selecting ... "open with"
[01:33] <charwood> advers: you need to type sudo first if you need to run the process as root.
[01:33] <arrinmurr> advers: don't run kwrite with sudo. use kdesu
[01:33] <GameOver> globe: no i mean for streaming media
[01:33] <advers> ok i clicked on
[01:33] <charwood> advers: If you are editing a system file then you will need to run as root.
[01:33] <advers> ok well how do i run as root
[01:33] <globe> GameOver: yea, you will need to set the program for the playlist
[01:34] <advers> I have no root account
[01:34] <GameOver> globe: u can change it in firefox somehow but i cant remember how  to access it....
[01:34] <cku> ok
[01:34] <globe> advers: thats what sudo does... it gives you "root" permissions
[01:34] <GameOver> globe: when i go into about;plugins... even though i uninstalled it.. mpalyer is still default
[01:34] <cku> another question, how to install ardour?
[01:34] <charwood> advers: sudo and kdesu are ways of telling linux that for just that command you want to pretend to be root.
[01:35] <globe> GameOver: whenh you click on the link for a stream, it should prompt you what to do with it
[01:35] <advers> hey char check pm
[01:35] <advers> this is too confusing in here
[01:35] <globe> lol
[01:35] <charwood> So for instance, if I want to open up a system file like xorg.conf to write to it, I need to be root, but instead of logging on as root, I can simply type "sudo kwrite xorg.conf"
[01:36] <advers> where do you type that
[01:36] <advers> in terminal?
[01:36] <globe> advers: :-)
[01:36] <advers> lol
[01:36] <advers> im trying!
[01:36] <advers> im in Information Assurance and Security bachelors program
[01:36] <advers> i must learn Linux
[01:36] <globe> advers: thats right....type that in the term
[01:36] <GameOver> globe: thats if u were able to download it, or open it with the program... i want to open it within firefox
[01:37] <globe> GameOver: oooohhh.  I didnt know you could do that.
[01:37] <GameOver> globe... it hink if oudn the problem.. the plugin is still in the plugins folder.... even theough the program is unistalled
[01:37] <GameOver> but its only read only
[01:37] <globe> advers: did that bring up an editor?
[01:37] <GameOver> how can i change it
[01:37] <GameOver> so i can delete it
[01:38] <GameOver> keeps telling me access denied
[01:38] <advers> wow
[01:38] <advers> I love you
[01:38] <advers> I LOVE YOU GUYS
[01:38] <advers> thanks
[01:38] <globe> GameOver: use sudo
[01:38] <advers> now im trying to setup SAMBA
[01:38] <globe> advers: yoru welcome
[01:38] <advers> sooo
[01:38] <advers> can i ask more quesitons if i get stumped?
[01:38] <globe> advers: always....
[01:38] <advers> do you suggest using samba
[01:38] <advers> for network sharing
[01:38] <advers> etc
[01:38] <advers> i want to access my windows shares
[01:39] <GameOver> globe?
[01:39] <globe> advers: afik you will have to
[01:39] <cku> yes I insist on samba
[01:39] <cku> works perfectly for the 4 pcs I have here
[01:39] <advers> ok
[01:39] <advers> cku would you mind helping me set this up
[01:39] <globe> GameOver: in a terminal window open the plugin folder and use 'sudo rm' instead of 'rm'
[01:39] <cku> 2 windows xp and one 2k
[01:39] <GameOver> globe: u cant do it graphically
[01:39] <arrinmurr> advers: if you only want to _access_ your windows shares, but not share anything yourself, type smb:/ in konqueror
[01:40] <advers> i want to share both ways
[01:40] <advers> hehe
[01:40] <advers> hey cku
[01:40] <globe> GameOver: I am sure there is a way,
[01:40] <advers> u there
[01:40] <GameOver> globe: but u dont know it do u :)
[01:40] <globe> advers: samba is the way to go to share both ways
[01:40] <globe> GameOver: 1 sec
[01:41] <GameOver> globe: ok
[01:41] <advers> hey globe im going to pm you
[01:42] <globe> advers: ok
[01:46] <globe> GameOver: Honestly I cant find anything.  You can search on the wiki, but I didnt see anything.
[01:46] <cku> sorry
[01:46] <cku> my bad
[01:47] <advers> ok
[01:47] <advers> cku
[01:47] <advers> you there?
[01:47] <cku> yea
[01:47] <advers> can you help me in pm
[01:47] <cku> ur in kde correct?
[01:47] <GameOver> globe: its ok thanks though... i did it all by hand lol
[01:47] <advers> yes
[01:47] <globe> GameOver: nice.
[01:48] <cku> ok
[01:48] <cku> it's within netwrok settings
[01:48] <cku> the 1st thing after installing samba is creating a shared folder
[01:48] <advers> where do i put the shared folder
[01:48] <advers> When i try to access my windows computers
[01:48] <advers> it sees mshome
[01:48] <cku> u can create one in ur home folder
[01:48] <cku> oh
[01:48] <advers> but it wont let me browse it
[01:49] <advers> i get an error
[01:49] <globe> advers: good luck
[01:49] <advers> ty
[01:49] <cku> to access ur windows folders
[01:49] <globe> I'm out for dinner
[01:49] <advers> thansk for help cya later
[01:49] <cku> u do the same thing when ur in windows
[01:49] <eitan> i'm having trouble putting songs from a cd onto an ipod nano using konqueror. the cd part works fine, i really like how you can just go to the "mp3" folder to drag and drop. but i'm not sure where to drop. the ipod connects to media:/sdb2 and there's a folder with the music in media:/sdb2/iPod_Control/Music but simply dropping it there doesn't seem to work. any ideas?
[01:49] <advers> you guys are much nicers than the #linux people on gamesurge
[01:49] <advers> I do what?
[01:49] <cku> \\pcname\
[01:49] <advers> i tried that
[01:49] <cku> didn't work?
[01:49] <advers> hold on
[01:49] <advers> can u talk to me in pm please
[01:49] <advers> all this text distracts me
[01:49] <GameOver> globe: do u know how to replace the graphics for the login screen... i downloaded somethin new and no clue where to put it
[01:50] <advers> cku
[01:51] <advers> what exactly do i type
[01:51] <advers> for
[01:51] <advers> \\pcname\ etc
[01:51] <advers> i tried this though
[01:51] <advers> i mean
[01:51] <advers> i put the name of my pc
[01:53] <advers> when i get into network folder information
[01:53] <advers> What do i put for name, server, and folder
[01:53] <advers> i thought server would be
[01:53] <advers> my comptuer name
[01:54] <cku> do u have a server?
[01:54] <advers> no
[01:54] <advers> this is for adding a folder
[01:54] <advers> network folder
[01:54] <advers> i selected
[01:55] <advers> windows drive
[01:55] <advers> im in the network folder wizard
[01:55] <advers> I clicked
[01:55] <advers> Add network folder
[01:55] <advers> then it wants the type of folder to connect to
[01:55] <advers> i selected Micrsoft Windows network drive
[01:55] <advers> then it asks for
[01:55] <advers> Name
[01:55] <advers> Server
[01:55] <advers> Folder
[01:56] <advers> what do i put in there
[01:56] <advers> i tried alot
[01:56] <cku> one min
[01:56] <advers> k
[01:56] <advers> if there is an easier way
[01:56] <advers> please let m eknoe
[01:56] <advers> ALL i wantt o do is create a shared folder
[01:56] <advers> and to view my shared folders from the network
[01:56] <advers> thats my goal
[01:57] <cku> ok
[01:58] <cku> can u open the shared folders application?
[01:58] <advers> also it looks like
[01:58] <advers> i cant edit it
[01:58] <advers> even when i click omn adminstrator mode
[01:58] <advers> it still is grayed out
[01:58] <cku> ok
[01:58] <cku> add a shared folder
[01:58] <sampan> advers is this a fresh (no updates) breezy install?
[01:58] <advers> negative
[01:58] <advers> i used automatix
[01:58] <advers> and got a BUNCH of stuff
[01:59] <advers> technically i dont know if i did any updates though
[01:59] <sampan> that's not "updates" -- have you updated?
[01:59] <advers> it is brand new
[01:59] <advers> No i do not think so sampan
[01:59] <advers> this is fresh
[01:59] <advers> cku i cant add a shared folder
[01:59] <sampan> advers, then likely you have the "admin mode bug".  breezy's release had a bug with it -- it was fixed a week after release
[01:59] <advers> when i select sharing
[01:59] <advers> oh
[02:00] <advers> how do i fix it?
[02:00] <sampan> advers  if you update (using adept-updater), it should be corrected
[02:00] <advers> ok
[02:00] <advers> one sec
[02:00] <sampan> (assuming you have the repositories enabled)
[02:00] <advers> what is that?
[02:01] <sampan> repositories are where kubuntu downloads packages (software) and updates from.
[02:01] <sampan> !repositories
[02:01] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[02:01] <advers> i clicked on adept updater
[02:01] <advers> then
[02:01] <advers> i clicked fetch updtes
[02:01] <advers> can i install and upgrade all of this
[02:01] <advers> is it safe?
[02:02] <sampan> it -should- be safe.  but if you don't want to do it all, look for the ones that are "kde-...." (like kde-base etc.)  or "kubuntu..."
[02:03] <advers> let me read the packages to you
[02:03] <advers> can i pm you sampan
[02:03] <advers> the other 2 people i pmed didnt respond lol
[02:03] <sampan> advers, better to use the pastebin
[02:03] <sampan> !pastebin
[02:03] <ubotu> [pastebin]  a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[02:04] <sampan> oh and the reason they didn't respond is because they didn't get your msgs -- on freenode you have to be registered in order to send pms
[02:04] <advers> sapamn
[02:04] <advers> wow
[02:04] <advers> lol
[02:04] <sampan> :D
[02:04] <advers> how do i register
[02:04] <advers> nm
[02:04] <advers> dont explain
[02:04] <sampan> iirc /msg nickserv register ... or /msg nickserv help register
[02:05] <advers> ok
[02:05] <advers> i pmed you
[02:10] <mcscruff> nn
[02:46] <CampaneAMorto> Notte...
[02:49] <indo> kubuntu 5.10 fresh install won't let me activate admistrator mode in the system control panel - anyone know what might be going on?
[02:49] <indo> sudo works fine
[02:50] <sampan> indo, yes -- it was a known bug and it was fixed in updates about a week after release
[02:50] <sampan> if you update your system it'll be fixed
[02:50] <sampan> lots of people ran into it (including myself)
[02:51] <indo> only way I can do that is through ndiswrapper - which i need to have administrator access, anyway to download just the patched files?
[02:53] <sampan> indo, ahhhh, i know others have had that same problem, and iirc there is a way to get wireless working from cli so you can update, but i know nothing about wireless.  packages can be searched and downloaded at: http://packages.ubuntu.com/  but i'm not sure which ones specifically were the fixes
[02:55] <_admin> sampan: I was in here yesterday asking for help with 3dfx. The forums told to install libglide3 in which I did from package manager then run "ldconfig" which gives me an error "ldconfig: Can't create temporary cache file /etc/ld.so.cache~: Permission denied". Can you help?
[02:55] <indo> thank you sampan, i know what to look for now, keep up the good work
[02:55] <sampan> indo, yw -- good luck!
[02:56] <sampan> admin, does ldconfig need to be run as root (i.e., with sudo)?  sounds like a simple permission error
[02:57] <_admin> sampan: I ran it with sudo in front of it I type my Passwd and it quicly return to prompt
[02:58] <sampan> _admin, hrmmm -- then i dunno; maybe the script is written poorly?  forums don't mention this problem, i suppose?
[02:58] <kkathman> howdy sampan :)
[02:58] <sampan> hey kkathman :)
[02:59] <sampan> help -- i'm in over my head!! ;X
[02:59] <kkathman> wassup?
[02:59] <sampan> lol -- i'm kidding -- just not sure how to help _admin with his 3d card ... but the fact that i'm lost hardly says anything (blind leading the blind???)
[03:00] <kkathman> 3d card?
[03:00] <kkathman> ohhh like graphics stuff eh?
[03:01] <kkathman> _admin:  see if this helps you a bit:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75393
[03:02] <sampan> kkathman  got another one -- http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6979  ... is this guy's sources.list okay?  i suspect he's suffering from the admin mode bug too, but he can't seem to get any updates (via adept-updater or apt-get) and i'm stumped
[03:04] <sampan> i made a couple changes to it ( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6980 ) but he still can't seem to get any updates -- and i'm lost
[03:04] <ubuntu> checkin out flight 2
[03:04] <ubuntu> pretty cool so far
[03:04] <ubuntu> where do i go to turn of sudo for my user?
[03:04] <_admin> kkathman: I have a 3dfx voodoo 4500 card. Do you have any other suggestions?
[03:04] <kkathman> sampan: the sources look ok, except there are alot of non-supported ones, and of course you run the risk of installing something that is of a higher, but untested version
[03:05] <sampan> *nod* yeah i noticed that too -- and he said he used automatix (another iffy thing as i found out couple months ago).  -- so i'm stumped; unless he's updated and it's a completely diff problem
[03:05] <bimberi> ubuntu: you need at least one user to have sudo (unless you've enabled root)
[03:06] <ubuntu> i have enabled root
[03:06] <ubuntu> thank you for trying to look out for me tho...
[03:06] <mistik1> Is there a way I can tell the package management system to ignore looking at the deps for one package
[03:06] <kkathman> _admin: looks like there isnt much on the forums, but what there is, seems negative I am sorry to report
[03:06] <ubuntu> bimberi: but where do i turn off sudo for my user
[03:06] <bimberi> ubuntu: hehe, np - removing yourself from the admin group will disable sudo access
[03:06] <ubuntu> ok... cool
[03:08] <_admin> kkathman: That is what I gathered too. Thanks for your & sampan's help.
[03:09] <advers> can someone here help me with getting my samba to work
[03:09] <advers> when i try to change sharing
[03:09] <advers> its grayed out even when i login
[03:09] <ubuntu> bimberi: command to do that is.?
[03:09] <advers> and I have everything updated i believe
[03:11] <manveru> sorry guys, but what was the command for displaying disk-space?
[03:12] <ubuntu> manveru: df
[03:12] <bimberi> ubuntu: you could edit /etc/group (i'm looking for a command method though)
[03:12] <manveru> ah, thx :)
[03:12] <ubuntu> np
[03:12] <ubuntu> and df -h
[03:12] <ubuntu> for human readable
[03:13] <bimberi> ubuntu: deluser <user> admin
[03:14] <ubuntu> ok... that works
[03:14] <ubuntu> thanks
[03:14] <bimberi> yw :)
[03:14] <computinchuck> how do i customize the init scripts without manually deleting links or making files nonexecutable?
[03:15] <ubuntu> beautiful bimberi ... gotta love the security
[03:15] <ubuntu> appreciate your help... gotta go eat... peace out all
[03:15] <bimberi> computinchuck: using update-rc.d (check its man page)
[03:15] <computinchuck> ok
[03:17] <bimberi> computinchuck: note that it does its work by creating/deleting links :)
[03:17] <computinchuck> bimberi: yea, but i was hoping for a bit more organized approach, i don't really know my way around system V init style (i ran slackware up until very recently)
[03:18] <computinchuck> i didn't want to go deleting files
[03:18] <bimberi> computinchuck: there is a program called, ahem, "bum"
[03:18] <bimberi> !bum
[03:18] <ubotu> it has been said that bum is a graphical BootUp Manager; see http://www.marzocca.net/linux/bum.html
[03:19] <bimberi> (it's in universe)
[03:20] <computinchuck> bimberi: alright, i'll take a look
[03:20] <bimberi> computinchuck: it's a gnome app - not sure if the's a kde equivalent sorry
[03:21] <bimberi> *there's
[03:23] <computinchuck> bimberi: i noticed, i didn't see any kde equivalent
[03:26] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.. Sweet sweet stuff. :)
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> For some reason, now my fonts aren't HUGE. heh
[03:29] <Psi-Jack> Welp, time to do a full upgrade. :)
[03:29] <kieran> hello
[03:29] <kieran> anyone here have some time to help me?
[03:30] <arrinmurr> kieran: just ask your question
[03:31] <kieran> rightio, trying to upgrade KDE properly
[03:31] <kieran> downloaded using apt-get last night but i dont think it installed properly
[03:31] <kieran> in my repository the link for KDE is not working
[03:32] <kieran> it just hangs
[03:32] <kieran> i know this because i added it and disabled every other link and tried apt-get
[03:32] <kieran> is there another repository link i can use?
[03:33] <arrinmurr> what are you using now then?
[03:33] <kieran> http
[03:33] <kieran> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35
[03:34] <kieran> any ideas
[03:35] <arrinmurr> hmm.. if there really is something wrong with that, you could try using ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5/kubuntu/ , don't know if it's exactly the same though, heard about it today
[03:36] <computinchuck> bimberi: bum doesn't let you modify rcS.d files
[03:37] <computinchuck> it tells me i need a "deep understanding of the run level system"
[03:42] <kieran> is that how i should be executing the repository?
[03:42] <kieran> i get malformed line
[03:42] <indo> how can you activate a wireless pci card with the terminal - iwconfig? I want kubuntu to use it as my connection, any ideas?
[03:42] <arrinmurr> kieran: err.. you should put it this way:
[03:42] <kieran> ok
[03:43] <kieran> please show me, i have no idea
[03:43] <Psi-Jack> Does anyone here know the Linux support for an ATI AiW Radeon 8500, for both DRI and TV support?
[03:44] <arrinmurr> deb ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5/kubuntu/ breezy main
[03:44] <arrinmurr> you did have the other one that way too?
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[03:44] <arrinmurr> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-1.3.7 breezy main
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> Well, THIS is annoying.
[03:44] <arrinmurr> oh, i mean
[03:44] <Psi-Jack> I upgraded my kernel, and now my TV doesn't work....
[03:45] <arrinmurr> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[03:46] <bimberi> computinchuck: ah ok :|
[03:46] <kieran> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6982
[03:46] <arrinmurr> kieran: yeah? it goes fine now? then just do apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:46] <kieran> ok
[03:47] <kieran> should i do the apt-get dist-upgrade from out of KDE
[03:47] <kieran> in the failsafe?
[03:48] <arrinmurr> kieran: well, i don't know if it matters much but i tend to shut down X when updating something like kde
[03:48] <kieran> after it's upgraded
[03:48] <kieran> or how do you shut down x?
[03:48] <kieran> not
[03:48] <kieran> now
[03:48] <sebastian> need help
[03:48] <DaSkreech> Drat
[03:48] <sebastian> i just accidentally deleted my windows xp
[03:48] <kieran> i dont mind using the console
[03:48] <sebastian> with all its files
[03:48] <DaSkreech> I keep missing m0s00n
[03:48] <sebastian> as i was installing kubuntu
[03:48] <sebastian> i need to download mozilla firefox
[03:49] <sebastian> and gaim
[03:49] <sebastian> urgently
[03:49] <sebastian> but i don-t know how to
[03:49] <kieran> http
[03:49] <kieran> http://getfirefox.com
[03:49] <sebastian> i clicked there
[03:49] <sebastian> i-m on kubuntu though
[03:50] <sebastian> i know i have to go to some DOS like program
[03:50] <sebastian> and type something
[03:50] <kieran> konquerer should open it up
[03:50] <kieran> download the file
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Huh?
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Adept them
[03:50] <kieran> and read the redame.txt
[03:50] <sebastian> download which file?
[03:50] <sebastian> help i have to be online
[03:50] <arrinmurr> kieran, well, just log off, go to ctrl+alt+f1, and as root write /etc/init.d/kdm stop (if kdm is what you're using) - do the dist-upgrade and write /etc/init.d/kdm start
[03:51] <DaSkreech> sebastian: What are you trying to do?
[03:51] <sebastian> download gaim
[03:51] <sebastian> and firefox
[03:51] <sebastian> but most importantly gaim
[03:51] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Open adept
[03:51] <sebastian> K menu?
[03:51] <DaSkreech> k -> System -> Adept
[03:52] <sebastian> don-t have that program
[03:52] <sebastian> konsole kynaptic
[03:52] <sebastian> ksysguard
[03:52] <DaSkreech> ahhhh
[03:52] <DaSkreech> What version of Kubuntu is this?>
[03:52] <sebastian> i got the cd a fewmonths ago
[03:52] <sebastian> around 4 months go
[03:52] <computinchuck> bimberi: i taught myself the update-rc.d program to modify the rcS scripts
[03:53] <bimberi> computinchuck: that's the way! :)
[03:53] <computinchuck> indeed :)
[03:54] <sebastian> help
[03:55] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Ah ok Open Kynaptic
[03:55] <sebastian> ok
[03:55] <DaSkreech> Though It's a terrible application
[03:55] <sebastian> it asks me for a password
[03:56] <DaSkreech> I forget how it looks so forgive me if I ask for your help once it's open
[03:56] <DaSkreech> It's asking for Your password
[03:56] <DaSkreech> assuming you logged into the system
[03:56] <sebastian> ok i typed it
[03:56] <sebastian> now the thign dissappeared
[03:56] <DaSkreech> sebastian: You should really get a new CD as an aside :)
[03:56] <trucekill> hey is there something wrong with th e universe and multiverse repositories?
[03:57] <sebastian> i shoiuld really get windows xp too as i erased it accidentally
[03:57] <DaSkreech> *laughs*
[03:57] <sebastian> ok its back
[03:57] <sebastian> it has a refresh button on the top
[03:57] <DaSkreech> If you have some time to spend I can show you how to upgrade but lets do gaim first
[03:57] <sebastian> and a list of
[03:57] <DaSkreech> Nope leave that alone :)
[03:57] <sebastian> and a wee box
[03:57] <sebastian> opened
[03:57] <computinchuck> is there a list of what all the kernel modules are somewhere?
[03:57] <sebastian> like it had stuff inside
[03:57] <DaSkreech> is there a search or a find ?
[03:58] <sebastian> and a computer with an arrow down
[03:58] <sebastian> yes
[03:58] <sebastian> a find
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Type gaim in there
[03:58] <sebastian> ok
[03:58] <sebastian> gaim
[03:58] <sebastian> gaim data
[03:59] <sebastian> gaim dev
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Select gaim
[03:59] <sebastian> thos three
[03:59] <psi-jack> Okay. This is annoying...
[03:59] <DaSkreech> I think you only need to select gaim
[03:59] <psi-jack> I just did a full upgrade, and now KDM is crashing with sig11.
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Anything else that is needed will be installed automatically
[03:59] <sebastian> ok i selected gaim
[03:59] <sebastian> or i tried
[03:59] <sebastian> and it said install and i clicked ok
[03:59] <sebastian> and then continue
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:00] <sebastian> what do i do now_
[04:00] <sebastian> close"
[04:00] <sebastian> close?
[04:00] <DaSkreech> Click the Computer with the down arrow
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I think :)
[04:00] <psi-jack> What's up with kdm crashing since I did a full upgrade, any ideas at all?
[04:01] <sebastian> ok....
[04:01] <arrinmurr> psi-jack: did you upgrade to kde 3.5 ?
[04:01] <sebastian> fetch progress it says
[04:01] <psi-jack> arrinmurr: Yes. It should have.
[04:01] <sebastian> i already had a somewhat newer version of kubuntu
[04:01] <sebastian> but i was trying to make the partition bigger
[04:01] <sebastian> the windows one
[04:02] <sebastian> and i accidentally erased both kubuntu and windows
[04:02] <psi-jack> Yes. 3.5.0 confirmed. :)
[04:02] <sebastian> so i had to reinstall kubuntu
[04:02] <sebastian> ok the box went gray
[04:02] <sebastian> the kynaptic thing
[04:02] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Do you want a newer CD or do you want me to walk you through an upgrade now?
[04:02] <psi-jack> Humm. Od..
[04:02] <arrinmurr> psi-jack: oh. don't know what could cause that then. i was about to suggest upgrading to 3.5 :/
[04:02] <psi-jack> I just removed and reinstalled kdm. And it's working now..
[04:03] <arrinmurr> oh
[04:03] <sebastian> wait
[04:03] <sebastian> how do i know if i have gaim now_
[04:03] <sebastian> the kynaptci thing went gray
[04:03] <sebastian> unclickable
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Wait till it becomes clickable again
[04:03] <psi-jack> Welp, BRB
[04:04] <sebastian> how dia get xp back if it came with the computer?
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Who did you get the computer from?
[04:04] <Psi-Jack> Okay. This is getting annoying.
[04:05] <sebastian> gift from my uncle
[04:05] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Ask him :)
[04:05] <DaSkreech> sebastian: he should have access to the install
[04:05] <sebastian> ok it-s clickable again
[04:05] <Psi-Jack> After initial install, fonts in X, are HUGE.. Next time, huge still, but next after that, they're small.. The way I like. NOW they're HUUUUGE again. :(
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Now press Alt+F2
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Type in gaim and press enter
[04:06] <sebastian> ok
[04:06] <sebastian> some bouncy thing
[04:06] <DaSkreech> *laughs*
[04:07] <Psi-Jack> And why does Konversation keep randomly opening a query window with someone? It just opened one with DaSkreech
[04:08] <sebastian> ok how do i get firefox now
[04:08] <fyrmedic> Greetings... Is there an application in KDE that will allow me to format a floppy disk in FAT or do I have to do it in Konsole?
[04:08] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: there's a bug or something that sometimes changes the fonts to small or something when booting up. restarting kdm usually helps with it. but i guess you like it the "wrong" way then. you do have adjusted the font sizes?
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: I did manually adjust the fonts, last time. Before it got huge again.
[04:09] <Psi-Jack> When they were "smaller" and less huge. :p
[04:11] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: so the adjustments you made have somehow been reseted to defaults? or are they as you changed them, but fonts are still bigger than last time?
[04:11] <sebastian> what do i do now?
[04:12] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Same procedure
[04:12] <DaSkreech> Click on Firefox
[04:12] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: My adjustments are completely undone now.
[04:13] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh. but you upgraded kde? if that's it?
[04:13] <Psi-Jack> I did a full upgrade, kernel, kde, etc. Everything that was marked upgradeable, was upgraded.
[04:14] <sebastian> ok hold on
[04:14] <sebastian> what do i look for?
[04:14] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: maybe that's the reason then. unless it does it every time you reboot or restart x or something
[04:15] <Psi-Jack> And when I say they are HUGE. I mean... You could read the next a mile away. heh
[04:16] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: are you able to change them back to the way you like them now?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Try mozilla-firefox
[04:16] <sebastian> haha un tocayo
[04:17] <sebastian> ok it-s getting it
[04:17] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Good :)
[04:18] <sebastian> how do i know if this is the latest gaim?
[04:18] <sebastian> can't see the display pictures on msn
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Yes.. Now..
[04:19] <Psi-Jack> Mostly..
[04:20] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Almost assuredly it is not
[04:20] <DaSkreech> sebastian: You are using an old version of Kubuntu it will only track gaim to a certain time
[04:22] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Time to try my webcam again... :)
[04:23] <sebastian> ok
[04:23] <sebastian> did that
[04:23] <sebastian> kynaptic ungrayed again
[04:23] <sebastian> now what?
[04:24] <DaSkreech> alt+F2
[04:24] <sebastian> ok i-ve got fire fox now
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Firefox
[04:24] <DaSkreech> If that doesn't work then mozilla-firefox :)
[04:24] <sebastian> oops
[04:24] <sebastian> i went to the k menu
[04:24] <sebastian> and clicked
[04:24] <DaSkreech> Thats the same thing
[04:24] <sebastian> now it-s taking a while to load
[04:24] <sebastian> ok
[04:25] <sebastian> how do i upgrade?
[04:26] <Snake__> sebastian, sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Snake__: Nope
[04:26] <DaSkreech> Snake__: Hoary
[04:26] <Snake__> DaSkreech, ????
[04:26] <sebastian> WHAT?
[04:26] <Snake__> Ohhhh....whoopy
[04:27] <DaSkreech> sebastian: This is going to take a while so hope you either have time or nice broadband :)
[04:27] <DaSkreech> NOt a lot of time for you just for the upgrade
[04:27] <sebastian> how dia mean?
[04:28] <sebastian> ok what do i do
[04:28] <sebastian> close kynaptic?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Umm
[04:28] <DaSkreech> I think so
[04:28] <sebastian> done
[04:28] <DaSkreech> I forgot how Kynaptic does things
[04:28] <Snake__> sebastian, if I may ask, how come your on hoary?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Ok ...
[04:28] <sebastian> there's konsole
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Snake__: Old cd
[04:28] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:28] <sebastian> what's hoary?
[04:28] <DaSkreech> The old Kubuntu
[04:29] <DaSkreech> 5.04
[04:29] <DaSkreech> We are trying to get you to 5.10
[04:30] <sebastian> firefox-s weird
[04:30] <sebastian> it opens but first it had a dialogue go "couldn-t find the //// file"
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[04:30] <DaSkreech>  :-)
[04:30] <Snake__> sebastian, thats just a homepage screw up
[04:30] <DaSkreech> Happens to me too
[04:31] <Snake__> sebastian, small glitch, change the homepage and it will not do it any more
[04:31] <sebastian> okay
[04:31] <DaSkreech> It's intended for Ubuntu not kubuntu
[04:31] <sebastian> what is?
[04:31] <sebastian> i already done change the homepage
[04:32] <DaSkreech> type sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list in konsole
[04:32] <DaSkreech> Firefox is intended to be installed in ubuntu
[04:33] <sebastian> it asks a password
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Your password
[04:34] <sebastian> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sebastian" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[04:34] <sebastian> Link points to "/var/tmp/kdecache-root"
[04:34] <McJerry> can i run gparted under kde?
[04:34] <sebastian> ???
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Let me know when kate opens
[04:34] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:34] <sebastian> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:34] <sebastian> sebastian@00e07dda0ab3:~$ barefoot
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Do you have kynaptic open?
[04:34] <sebastian> nope
[04:34] <DaSkreech> hmm
[04:34] <sebastian> ok wait
[04:34] <sebastian> i-ll try again
[04:34] <sebastian> i-ll close konsole and open again
[04:34] <kosh> adept is nice
[04:35] <DaSkreech> very
[04:35] <sebastian> what do i type now>
[04:35] <DaSkreech> I got hives using kynaptic
[04:35] <DaSkreech> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:35] <sebastian> ok i got my name thing
[04:35] <sebastian> but it says something like
[04:35] <sebastian> command not found
[04:35] <sebastian> when i type my password
[04:35] <DaSkreech> What command?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[04:36] <sebastian> sebastian@00e07dda0ab3:~$ sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:36] <sebastian> Password:
[04:36] <sebastian> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:36] <DaSkreech> It says kate not found?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:36] <DaSkreech> try sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:37] <DaSkreech> I was trying to make it nice and pretty ;-)
[04:37] <sebastian> holy shite
[04:37] <DaSkreech> You should get a lot of text :)
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:38] <DaSkreech> Watch language please
[04:38] <sebastian> ok back
[04:39] <sebastian> A LOT of text
[04:39] <poimen> someone kwos how to enable multiverse in dapper?
[04:40] <sebastian> what do i do now?
[04:40] <DaSkreech> Ok you should see lines that read like deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Right?
[04:41] <sebastian> aye
[04:41] <DaSkreech> Ok some of them have a # in front of them
[04:41] <DaSkreech> you can ignore these
[04:41] <sebastian> ok
[04:42] <computinchuck> can you customize the actions for specific devices when they're mounted?  for instance, in the mount kicker applet, can you set a custom icon for each removeable hard drive?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> now if you position the cursor at the start of the line that looks like the ones I mentioned before press Ctrl+K
[04:42] <DaSkreech> then Ctrl+U twice
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Wait
[04:42] <DaSkreech> What am I doing?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> Hold on let me make this much easier
[04:43] <sebastian> ok
[04:43] <sebastian> i did the ctrlk and it did nothing
[04:43] <sebastian> it spaced
[04:43] <sebastian> oh wait
[04:43] <sebastian> ok i-ll wait
[04:45] <sebastian> what do i do?
[04:45] <DaSkreech> I was typing on the wrong keyboard :-)
[04:46] <DaSkreech> type Ctrl+W
[04:46] <DaSkreech> type hoary
[04:46] <sebastian> ok
[04:46] <sebastian> enter?
[04:46] <DaSkreech> Yup
[04:47] <sebastian> nothing happened
[04:47] <sebastian> the cursor moved
[04:47] <sebastian> to where it says hoary
[04:47] <DaSkreech> the cursor didn't jump to the word hoary
[04:47] <DaSkreech> Right replace that with breezy
[04:47] <DaSkreech> delete hoary and type breezy
[04:47] <sebastian> i typed that
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Great :)
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Found a better way
[04:48] <DaSkreech> Alt+R
[04:49] <sebastian> where do i type  that"?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> anywhere
[04:49] <DaSkreech> Alt+R
[04:49] <sebastian> search to replace hoary appeared
[04:49] <DaSkreech> type hoary
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then enter
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then type breezy
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then enter
[04:49] <DaSkreech> then A
[04:49] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:49] <sebastian> replace with
[04:49] <sebastian> just A and enter?
[04:49] <DaSkreech> breezy
[04:50] <sebastian> ok
[04:50] <sebastian> typed breezy
[04:50] <sebastian> no A
[04:50] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:50] <DaSkreech> press enter
[04:50] <sebastian> ok it took me to teh second line
[04:50] <sebastian> where it says hoary
[04:50] <arrinmurr> ...or then he could just delete everything and put deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted universe multiverse  in there ;)
[04:51] <sebastian> ...
[04:51] <DaSkreech> bad arrinmurr Down!!!
[04:51] <DaSkreech> :-)
[04:51] <DaSkreech> You replaced hoary with breezy?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> sebastian: Hello?
[04:52] <sebastian> yes
[04:52] <sebastian> but theres a second line
[04:52] <sebastian> with hoary
[04:52] <sebastian> in it
[04:52] <DaSkreech> huh?
[04:52] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Did you do anything specific other than follow the directions, to get your spca50x webcam to work?
[04:52] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[04:52] <sebastian> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[04:52] <sebastian> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary main restricted
[04:52] <DaSkreech> ok Lets try again
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Alt+R
[04:53] <DaSkreech> type hoary
[04:53] <sebastian> OH WAIT
[04:53] <DaSkreech> press enter
[04:53] <sebastian> it says
[04:53] <sebastian> replace this instance
[04:53] <DaSkreech> Right
[04:53] <sebastian> and then theres an A indeed
[04:53] <DaSkreech> press a
[04:53] <sebastian> ok
[04:53] <sebastian> back to breezy i got
[04:53] <DaSkreech> No more haory?
[04:53] <DaSkreech> hoary?
[04:54] <sebastian> no
[04:54] <sebastian> breezy
[04:54] <DaSkreech> ok
[04:54] <DaSkreech> Press Ctrl+O
[04:54] <DaSkreech> then Ctrl+X
[04:54] <sebastian> this appeared
[04:55] <sebastian> after ctrl o
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Oh right :)
[04:55] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: no. i've understood is that the problem with the spca5xx.ko shipped with ubuntu is that it's just compiled with wrong version of gcc. you still didn't get it to work?
[04:55] <DaSkreech> Click enter
[04:55] <sebastian> back to breezy
[04:55] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Nope.. It still locks up my computer, hard.
[04:56] <DaSkreech> It asked to write to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Right?
[04:56] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: also i did the compiling on another computer, and on this one just just replaced the old file with the one i had compiled
[04:56] <sebastian> it did ebfore when i typed something
[04:56] <sebastian> some ctrl plus something
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+O
[04:56] <sebastian> but then it went away again
[04:56] <sebastian> yep
[04:56] <DaSkreech> When you pressed enter?
[04:56] <sebastian> file name write something
[04:56] <sebastian> yes
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Yup yup
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ok
[04:56] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+X
[04:56] <sebastian> etc sources list something
[04:57] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Odd.. I don't get it.. It should work...
[04:57] <sebastian> nothign happened
[04:57] <DaSkreech> really?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+X did nothing?
[04:57] <DaSkreech> Do you have a message?
[04:57] <sebastian> file name something
[04:57] <DaSkreech> enter
[04:58] <sebastian> bacak to breezy
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Then Ctrl+X
[04:58] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: and you're sure you removed the original spca5xx.ko ?
[04:58] <Psi-Jack> Posative.
[04:58] <sebastian> asks for my password again
[04:58] <sebastian> and says
[04:58] <sebastian> command not found
[04:58] <sebastian> when i type my password
[04:58] <DaSkreech> Ah :-)
[04:58] <DaSkreech> type pwd
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Does it print something?
[04:59] <sebastian> slash
[04:59] <sebastian> home
[04:59] <sebastian> slash
[04:59] <sebastian> sebastian
[04:59] <DaSkreech> Good :)
[04:59] <DaSkreech> now you can upgrade the safe geeky way or the slightly less safe pretty way
[04:59] <sebastian> but the same thing appears
[04:59] <sebastian> asking for it again
[04:59] <sebastian> less safe?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Well I don't trust kynaptic so you can take that with a grain of salt
[05:00] <sebastian> what do idp?
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Which route do you want to take?
[05:00] <sebastian> any, easier, i guess
[05:00] <DaSkreech> Either way you can more or less kick back and do what ever you want for the rest of the night
[05:00] <DaSkreech> open kynaptic
[05:00] <sebastian> ok
[05:00] <DaSkreech> k -> System -> Kynaptic
[05:01] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ...which was in it's own directory under .../media . so you won't find it twice with locate -i spca5xx.ko ? (except if you have -9 version of kernel there too)
[05:01] <sebastian> what do i do about konsole?
[05:01] <DaSkreech> You can klose it if you like
[05:01] <DaSkreech> sorry
[05:01] <DaSkreech> close
[05:01] <sebastian> what/
[05:01] <arrinmurr> hah :)
[05:01] <DaSkreech> Once you have Kynaptic open then press the first button
[05:02] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Well, right now, I'm about to re-build it again, for the -10-k7.
[05:02] <DaSkreech> Once you get butttons back press the second button
[05:02] <sebastian> ok i tried to open kynaptic
[05:02] <sebastian> and it own-t load
[05:02] <sebastian> it asks a password
[05:03] <sebastian> and then i clicked ignore and it says i must run it as the root user
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:03] <sebastian> i opened again
[05:03] <DaSkreech>  it's your password it's asking for
[05:03] <sebastian> but i don-t know the password
[05:03] <sebastian> i know but i give it and it doesnt work
[05:03] <DaSkreech> Sure you typed it correctly?
[05:03] <DaSkreech> and Kynaptic isn't open already?
[05:03] <sebastian> ok i typed it
[05:03] <sebastian> now it went away
[05:03] <sebastian> ok
[05:03] <sebastian> it loaded
[05:04] <sebastian> what do i do now
[05:04] <DaSkreech> First button
[05:04] <DaSkreech> once you get buttons back
[05:04] <sebastian> refresh one?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> second button
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:04] <sebastian> ok
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> Okay.
[05:04] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Now, I literally watched it remove the old version of spca5xx, and install the new one
[05:05] <sebastian> coulndt start blah blah blah archives
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> And. Now... To test it..
[05:05] <sebastian> no such file
[05:05] <DaSkreech> Whats the blah blah blah
[05:05] <sebastian> source package list
[05:05] <sebastian> url
[05:05] <DaSkreech> What URL
[05:05] <sebastian> brezy restricted pacakages
[05:05] <sebastian> http://security
[05:06] <sebastian> ubuntu.com
[05:06] <DaSkreech> When you did the replace did you type breezy or brezy?
[05:06] <sebastian> breezy restricted packages
[05:06] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: and you did modprobe -r the old one?
[05:06] <sebastian> breezy
[05:06] <sebastian> then it says underneath
[05:07] <sebastian> (/vav/lib/apt/lists/us.archive
[05:07] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: and made sure the new one didn't get compiled with gcc4, as it won't work then
[05:07] <sebastian> ubuntu.com
[05:07] <sebastian> no such file exists
[05:08] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:08] <sebastian> if i close it it comes up again
[05:08] <DaSkreech> I think they may have something changed
[05:09] <DaSkreech> can you open up konsole again?
[05:09] <sebastian> i can-t close kynaptic
[05:09] <sebastian> wait
[05:09] <sebastian> i clicked on the dialogue
[05:09] <sebastian> a lot of times
[05:09] <sebastian> on ok
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:09] <sebastian> and its loading something
[05:09] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:09] <sebastian> and the buttons are clickable again
[05:09] <sebastian> now what?
[05:09] <DaSkreech> if it's throwing errors I'd like to check something first
[05:10] <DaSkreech> If you don't mind
[05:10] <sebastian> ok
[05:10] <sebastian> konsole?
[05:10] <DaSkreech> Yes
[05:10] <sebastian> openin
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> Negative.
[05:10] <DaSkreech> press up till you see the sudo nano command again
[05:10] <sebastian> sebastian@00e07dda0ab3:~$
[05:10] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: do you still have the -10-386 kernel installed?
[05:10] <sebastian> thats what comes up in konsole
[05:11] <sebastian> what do i type?
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Yes
[05:11] <sebastian> sebastian@00e07dda0ab3:~$ sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:11] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: I tried it in -10-386 first.
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Right
[05:11] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: yeah. i was just wondering that maybe you could try to .ko i've compiled
[05:11] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: thought it shouldn't make a difference
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Sure... Send it..
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> As it is now, the only option left I got is to get the spca50x from the sf site.
[05:12] <matrix> why ubuntu used full memory?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> sebastian: opened the lot of text again?
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> But, it doesn't look like the spca50x project page even has ANYTHING current. :/
[05:13] <sebastian> nope
[05:13] <sebastian> i just scrolled up till that appeared
[05:13] <DaSkreech> asked for password?
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Oh
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Press enter
[05:13] <sebastian> am i sup;osed to press enter?
[05:13] <sebastian> password
[05:13] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ah, i need to register to be able to send
[05:14] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Your password
[05:14] <sebastian> ok
[05:14] <sebastian> lot of text
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:14] <sebastian> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[05:14] <sebastian> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  main restricted
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Is there a deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security main restricted entry?
[05:14] <DaSkreech> ensure it says breezy-security
[05:15] <sebastian> nope
[05:16] <DaSkreech> ok is there a deb http://jm.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-updates main restricted ?
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> Great! mxhaard.free.fr is now giving me Service Unavailabl;e.
[05:16] <sebastian> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -updates main restricted
[05:16] <sebastian> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -updates main restricted
[05:17] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: or you could just allow unregistered users to send messages / open dcc with you
[05:17] <sebastian> er....
[05:17] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on
[05:17] <sebastian> i accidentally pasted
[05:17] <sebastian> and i then ctrl z to undo
[05:17] <sebastian> what do i do now?
[05:17] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Done.
[05:17] <sebastian> ok back to where iwas
[05:18] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:18] <DaSkreech> No Security one though?
[05:18] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: 10-4.. Got it..
[05:18] <sebastian> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main restricted
[05:18] <sebastian> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  main restricted
[05:18] <sebastian> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[05:18] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: 10-4 ?
[05:18] <sebastian> ## distribution.
[05:18] <sebastian> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -updates main restricted
[05:18] <sebastian> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -updates main restricted
[05:18] <sebastian> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'universe'
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: heheh.. 10-4, in the US, is a police call-code for all clear. :)
[05:19] <sebastian> ## repository.
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Then a lot of comments?
[05:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:19] <sebastian> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
[05:19] <sebastian> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
[05:19] <DaSkreech> Look at the bottom of the comments
[05:19] <sebastian> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
[05:19] <sebastian> ## universe WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu security
[05:19] <sebastian> ## team.
[05:19] <sebastian> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  universe
[05:19] <sebastian> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  universe
[05:19] <sebastian> thats all that shows
[05:19] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> Okay..
[05:19] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ah, ok. i was about to say that, "no, 10-386" ;)
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> I'll try this module. :)
[05:19] <bimberi> breezy<space>updates???
[05:19] <sebastian> o...k
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> In 10-k7, and then 10-386
[05:19] <sebastian> WAIT
[05:19] <arrinmurr> ok
[05:20] <sebastian> # deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -security universe
[05:20] <sebastian> # deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy -security universe
[05:20] <sebastian> ^!
[05:20] <sebastian> what do id o?
[05:21] <DaSkreech> Delete the # at the start of those two lines
[05:21] <sebastian> done
[05:21] <sebastian> brb i have to go open the door
[05:22] <bimberi> sebastian: also, remove the spaces in "breezy -security" and "breezy -updates"
[05:22] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Yep. It doesn't like being loaded in k7. :) I'll be back, yet again.. :)
[05:26] <sebastian> back
[05:26] <sebastian> DaSkreech: ought i do as he says
[05:27] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:27] <DaSkreech> If there are spaces
[05:28] <sebastian> breezyslash security now
[05:28] <sebastian> all written together
[05:28] <DaSkreech> dash?
[05:28] <DaSkreech> not slash right?
[05:28] <sebastian> dash
[05:28] <DaSkreech> One big word?
[05:29] <sebastian> pardon?
[05:29] <sebastian> breezydashsecurity
[05:29] <DaSkreech> right
[05:29] <DaSkreech> breezy-security
[05:29] <DaSkreech> breezy-updates
[05:29] <sebastian> ok
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+o
[05:29] <DaSkreech> enter
[05:29] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+x
[05:30] <sebastian> there are two spaces tho
[05:30] <sebastian> between breezy
[05:30] <sebastian> and universe
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:30] <lightstruck> hey guys, quick question for all those with kernel compilation experience.  Can I redo a makefile for the kernel I'm using while I'm using it?
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Thats fine
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Wait universe?
[05:30] <sebastian> yes
[05:30] <DaSkreech> Oh missed that :)
[05:30] <sebastian> # deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  universe
[05:30] <sebastian> # deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy  universe
[05:30] <sebastian> so?
[05:30] <sebastian> what do i do
[05:31] <DaSkreech> They have # in front if them?
[05:31] <sebastian> aye
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[05:31] <DaSkreech> And no security?
[05:31] <sebastian> no them are at the end
[05:31] <DaSkreech> I guess you can leave those then
[05:31] <sebastian> and i took the # off
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Thats fine
[05:31] <sebastian> kk
[05:31] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+o
[05:32] <DaSkreech> enter
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Ctrl+x
[05:32] <sebastian> when i enter after ctrl o
[05:32] <sebastian> it takes me to the space
[05:32] <sebastian> just before universe
[05:32] <DaSkreech> right
[05:32] <DaSkreech> and?
[05:32] <sebastian> ctrl x anyway?
[05:32] <DaSkreech> It didn't ask you to write out a file?
[05:33] <sebastian> file name to write
[05:33] <DaSkreech> yeah
[05:33] <sebastian>  etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <DaSkreech> right
[05:33] <DaSkreech> enter
[05:33] <sebastian> ok
[05:33] <sebastian> ctrl x?
[05:33] <DaSkreech> yes
[05:33] <sebastian> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <sebastian> sebastian@00e07dda0ab3:~$
[05:34] <DaSkreech> ok
[05:34] <arrinmurr> there's a nice name for a computer ;)
[05:34] <DaSkreech> Kynaptic still open?
[05:34] <sebastian> aye
[05:34] <DaSkreech> I guess to be safe close it and open it again
[05:35] <sebastian> ok
[05:35] <sebastian> now what do i do
[05:36] <DaSkreech> First buton
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Wanna hear something totally messed up?
[05:36] <sebastian> ok
[05:36] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: well?
[05:36] <sebastian> back to clickable
[05:36] <lightstruck> Can I mess with the makefile of the 2.6.14 kernel if I'm running 2.6.14?  And will compile take as long?
[05:36] <sebastian> what now
[05:36] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: I got it to work. My own, in -10-k7 just now..
[05:37] <DaSkreech> second button
[05:37] <sebastian> ok
[05:37] <DaSkreech> There you go
[05:37] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: wow, with the one you compiled yourself?
[05:37] <sebastian> now what?
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Back to clickable?
[05:37] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: The deal is.. I have my onboard USB 1.1, and PCI USB 2.0 card. And the camera was on the 2.0 card.. I just swapped my mouse for USB camera, putting the camera onto the on-board USB, and it's working now.
[05:37] <sebastian> yes
[05:37] <DaSkreech> Third button
[05:37] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh
[05:38] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: And it's working now.. It's REALLy crappy quality.... But it's working..
[05:38] <star> I am new and would like to know which is better adept or sanaptic
[05:38] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Any ideas why it would fail to work on my NEC-based USB controller?
[05:38] <DaSkreech> star: I'd say they are pretty close
[05:38] <sebastian> it-s loaidng somethng
[05:38] <DaSkreech> I like adept by synaptic is simpler
[05:38] <sebastian> it looks like it'll take a while
[05:39] <DaSkreech> sebastian: It'll take a while
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Yeah :_
[05:39] <sebastian> brb i need to get some tobacco to roll me a fag and some grub
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Go ahead
[05:40] <star> I have noticed that adept dosent get all the packages like sanaptic is there a reason or am I doing something wrong
[05:40] <lightstruck> anybody compile their own kernel?
[05:40] <DaSkreech> star: What are you trying to get?
[05:40] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: no idea. i did notice that with multiple cameras they need to be attached to different controllers, but i don't know about that
[05:40] <star> plugins for mplayer
[05:41] <lightstruck> use automatix
[05:41] <star> how
[05:41] <lightstruck> either hit up ubuntu forums and search automatix for kubuntu or check adept
[05:41] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: is the camera just bad, or has the quality been better with some other OS?
[05:41] <star> ok
[05:41] <lightstruck> I doubt with your repos it'll be in adept though
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: Well, I did have it on a Belkin TetraHUB, as well, off the USB 2.0 controller.
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: The quality is /much/ better in Windows.
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> It could just be VLC, but.. I dunno.
[05:42] <star> I got the multiverse and universe I got that far
[05:42] <lightstruck> star: go to this page and follow the instructions   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=105343
[05:43] <star> ok and thank you
[05:43] <lightstruck> glad to help
[05:43] <lightstruck> can anyone help me with kernel compilation?
[05:44] <lightstruck> to change the one I'm in without starting from scratch?
[05:44] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh. it did say that the quality is very low in the table with spca5xx supported cameras http://mxhaard.free.fr/spca5xx.html (but - as you already noticed earlier - it's down)
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. heh.
[05:45] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: According to the spca50x SourceForge site, it had nothing ill supported about it.
[05:45] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[05:45] <Psi-Jack> Kopete doesn't have video options now? Must be a plugin.
[05:46] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: it should have
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Well, it doesn't THIS time...
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh
[05:49] <arrinmurr> is it v 0.11?
[05:50] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, no.
[05:50] <Psi-Jack> 0.10.4
[05:50] <arrinmurr> hmm.. you said you installed KDE 3.5?
[05:50] <Psi-Jack> Yes
[05:50] <Psi-Jack> It says it's using KDE 3.5.0..
[05:51] <arrinmurr> kopete should have been upgraded to 0.11 then
[05:51] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. It was marked upgradable.. Still..
[05:51] <Psi-Jack> Odd.. Very odd..
[05:51] <arrinmurr> you added that to your sources.list http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php ?
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, that did it..
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> Okay. arrinmurr, do you use kopete, by chance?
[05:56] <lightstruck> I ain
[05:57] <lightstruck> I ain't to proud to beg.  I really really need help so I don't compile 2.6.14 19 times to make it perfect
[05:59] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: not really. at the moment i don't have account to any IM service
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, I se.e
[05:59] <Psi-Jack> Well, does anyone else know how to get Kopete, while still using the KDE wallet, to not have to ask for the password everytime you connect, or would it just be plain better to disable the Wallet, or can you disable the wallet use JUST for Kopete?
[06:02] <lightstruck> yea real easy when it asks you to enter your password for wallet say cancel
[06:02] <lightstruck> then it will bring up your kopete password and click the box remember password
[06:02] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, but I have Kopete all setup to remember my passwords, already.
[06:05] <lightstruck> you'll probably have to disable wallet
[06:05] <Psi-Jack> I see.
[06:05] <lightstruck> not a great choice
[06:06] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.. But, oh well. Now I gotta go fix my skype..
[06:09] <lightstruck> kernel compile anyone?
[06:09] <lightstruck> anyone?
[06:09] <lightstruck> Bueller?
[06:10] <arrinmurr> maybe you could try in some debian channel
[06:10] <lightstruck> think the regular ubuntu channel would know?
[06:10] <Knowerrors> lightstruck: I did a kernel compile on Kubuntu, Im running 2.6.14.4
[06:12] <lightstruck> Knowerrors: My only question is I need to modify it more.  But I don't want to overdo it cause its working right now.  Can I tweak one thing at a time without recompiling a new deb package?
[06:13] <Knowerrors> No, to use your kernel you gotta compile it, thats the only way to use your new custom config
[06:13] <Knowerrors> You will always have your old original kernel to fall back on, so don't worry
[06:13] <lightstruck> yea, its just 40 min is a long time to wait
[06:14] <Knowerrors> what are you worried about changing?
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dangit.
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> I HAD SKype working fine before. But now it's doing it again.
[06:15] <Knowerrors> Hey all, anybody using the latest kde 3.5 konqueror for web browsing?  I notice some websites I usually visit, including gmail, have errors that firefox doesn't
[06:16] <lightstruck> well I wanted it to be exact to my hardware and not have extras.  But this with all the extra is my first working compile and the times before it didn't boot it just said "Uncompressing Linux" and all the font shifted and spaced out
[06:16] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: doing what? for some reason skype under breezy takes a _long_ time to load. do you have other problems too?
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> I have problems with it not releasing the sound, so after one successful call, it locks the audio so it can't be used.
[06:16] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ah, that problem. what version is it?
[06:17] <Knowerrors> lightstruck: did you use lspci to check what hardware you have?
[06:17] <Knowerrors> use that as a reference, then search in the config to make sure you have all those chipsets enabled
[06:18] <Knowerrors> lightstruck: and if you haven't seen it already this http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=85064&highlight=kernel+compile is a great guide
[06:18] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: The latest version.. Umm 1.2.0.18_API
[06:18] <lightstruck> wow, that could save me a bundle of time.  But what about all those extra filesystems?
[06:18] <lightstruck> and options
[06:19] <Psi-Jack> One of the things I'm pondering doing, is getting Skype to use my on-board Audio for "Phone" use, and leave my SB PCI 512 for everything else.
[06:19] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: oh. i thought it was fixed for the latest version
[06:19] <lightstruck> I only use reiserfs and ntfs, can I turn the rest off and still boot?
[06:20] <Psi-Jack> Yeah. I HAD it working fine once.. I had changed like some audio settings, in arts, and it fixed it even for Skype. But.. I've had to reinstall since then.
[06:22] <Psi-Jack> And it'll never release the audio, till a reboot, will it?
[06:23] <Knowerrors> lightstruck: as far as filesystems, you can turn the others off, as long as you include reiser as a (*) and not as (M)
[06:23] <Knowerrors> I would leave most of the options as they are, unless you know for sure you don't need them
[06:23] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: don't know. i've only read about that problem
[06:24] <Psi-Jack> Where's kubuntu's rc.d scripts?
[06:24] <lightstruck> Knowerrors: thats all I needed to know.  Thank you an immense amount
[06:24] <lightstruck> especially the lspci
[06:24] <lightstruck> genius
[06:25] <lightstruck> I'm gonna go tweak like crazy.  Later, and thanks again Knowerrors
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Basically where's the scripts to do "start" "stop" etc... In Ubuntu's init system?
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Ahh.
[06:25] <Psi-Jack> Just answered myself. :)
[06:27] <Psi-Jack> Argh.
[06:27] <Psi-Jack> Still didn't let me restart arts.
[06:32] <Knowerrors>  How can I make kde only check ntpdate when net is connected? (check time automatically is enabled, but its not setting time itself)
[06:32] <Knowerrors> I use dialup, so its not on all the time
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Okay. NOW I have both sound interfaces enabled.. And arts decided to default to the VIA one. heh
[06:42] <flipjarg> could anyone tell me which gtk package i need installed to run firefox?
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> apt-get install firefox, or use Adept.
[06:44] <flipjarg> i've installed it, it says i need gtk though
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. Odd.. apt-get install firefox worked fine for me.. Automatically got any dependancies it had.. How did you install it?
[06:45] <flipjarg> with apt-get
[06:45] <flipjarg> i updated and everything
[06:45] <flipjarg> used every repo
[06:45] <flipjarg> weird.
[06:45] <flipjarg> ... i just tried running it again and it works
[06:45] <flipjarg> but with an error message.
[06:46] <flipjarg> it's working though.
[06:46] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. /dev/dsp is apparently my VIA sound chipset. How, with devfs, could I set my SB PCI512 to dsp, and have the VIA use dsp1?
[07:01] <ubuntu> hello
[07:01] <ubuntu> is anybody available
[07:01] <kkathman> hello
[07:02] <ubuntu> hi kkathman
[07:02] <kkathman> howdy
[07:02] <ubuntu> i'm testing Kubuntu on Sony VIAO
[07:02] <ubuntu> works nicely
[07:02] <ubuntu> only one thing
[07:03] <ubuntu> the speaker icon has a line through it
[07:03] <ubuntu> and I am assuming there is no audio
[07:03] <kkathman> hmm.. have you enabled sound?
[07:03] <ubuntu> one thing about ubuntu though
[07:03] <ubuntu> no not yet, am using the live dvd
[07:03] <ubuntu> one thing i have noticed is that it has a driver for the wide screen on the viao
[07:04] <ubuntu> something i can't find on some other distros
[07:04] <ubuntu> which is good
[07:04] <kkathman> thats good ::)
[07:04] <ubuntu> is alsaconf included in kubuntu?
[07:04] <kkathman> if you can, try looking at systemsettings - sound and multimedia  be sure that sound is enabled
[07:04] <ubuntu> ok
[07:04] <kkathman> Im not sure if alsaconf is there or not
[07:04] <ubuntu> ok
[07:05] <kkathman> Ive used the live CD only a couple of times and my sound worked right off the boot
[07:05] <kkathman> but it was on an IBM Thinkpad
[07:05] <ubuntu> ok
[07:05] <ubuntu> this laptop has an intel card
[07:05] <kkathman> and I wasnt running kubuntu for that matter
[07:05] <ubuntu> ok
[07:06] <kkathman> sorry I cant be of more help :(
[07:06] <ubuntu> sure no problem
[07:06] <ubuntu> also, i have been looking for how to remove the windows install partition on this machine
[07:06] <ubuntu> since it is wrather new it's kind of hard
[07:07] <ubuntu> is there a live CD that lets you partition drives
[07:07] <ubuntu> so i can delete it
[07:07] <kkathman> no, the live CDs dont write at all in general
[07:07] <kkathman> but the install disk WILL allow you to partition
[07:07] <ubuntu> ok
[07:08] <ubuntu> since ubuntu is based on debian i guess it should be no problem, i have used the partitioner in the debian net install cd
[07:08] <ubuntu> ok
[07:08] <kkathman> Im sure you wont have any trouble understanding it
[07:08] <ubuntu> ok, actually no debian expert
[07:08] <ubuntu> i'm no debian expert
[07:08] <ubuntu> i jumped in to try it
[07:09] <ubuntu> and found it wrather difficult
[07:09] <ubuntu> but i liked apt-get
[07:09] <kkathman> still, it gives you basically 2 options 1) let it partition automatically (and wipe the disk) or 2) you decide how to partition
[07:09] <ubuntu> ok
[07:09] <kkathman> its pretty straightforward
[07:09] <ubuntu> I have a Dell Pentium II that i wanted to instal ubuntu server on
[07:10] <ubuntu> but the problem is that the video card won't get detected
[07:10] <ubuntu> so it uses really low resolution
[07:10] <kkathman> ubuntu: I have an old Dell p2 450 with 128mb memory and I run ubuntu just fine on it
[07:10] <ubuntu> i get 800 x 600 24 bit color
[07:10] <kavit> ubuntu: why run X on a server?
[07:10] <ubuntu> ok
[07:10] <ubuntu> well I guess your right, but i like X for running the apps
[07:11] <kkathman> prolly dont need to run X on any kind of server really
[07:11] <ubuntu> i guess i wanted a combination desktopand server
[07:11] <kkathman> but if you want it...its there
[07:11] <ubuntu> wanted to put a bookmarker on it
[07:11] <kavit> ubuntu: just install normal ubuntu and install the services you want
[07:11] <ubuntu> ok
[07:12] <ubuntu> let me ask you one question about my install
[07:12] <kavit> sure
[07:12] <ubuntu> when I installed ubuntu, I noticed that it chose 24 bit color at a lower resolution
[07:12] <ubuntu> i like to use 16 bit color at a higher resolution
[07:12] <ubuntu> but ubuntu won't detect the 102x768 resolutiuon
[07:13] <ubuntu> 1024x768
[07:13] <ubuntu> so it gives 800 x 600 at 24 bit
[07:13] <ubuntu> i have an ati card
[07:13] <kkathman> when you install, you will need to check off those resolutions you want other than the autodetect
[07:14] <ubuntu> oh ok
[07:14] <kkathman> ati is problematic, but still should be ok
[07:14] <ubuntu> so I have to deactivate autodetect
[07:14] <ubuntu> and then manually choose settings?
[07:14] <ubuntu> ok, i'll try it
[07:14] <kkathman> it should give you the option during the install
[07:14] <ubuntu> ok
[07:14] <kkathman> just be heads up on looking for it
[07:14] <ubuntu> debian and knoppix work ok
[07:15] <ubuntu> ok so should be no problem
[07:15] <kkathman> after the install, you can reconfigure if you want also
[07:15] <ubuntu> one more simple question
[07:15] <ubuntu> can i use the debian repositories for ubuntu?
[07:15] <kkathman> no
[07:15] <kkathman> not usually
[07:15] <ubuntu> oh, ok
[07:15] <kkathman> you CAN however use debs in many cases...but not their repos
[07:16] <ubuntu> ok
[07:16] <kkathman> most of the things you'll find anyway
[07:16] <ubuntu> anyway ubuntu is nice distro
[07:16] <kkathman> there are almost 18,000 packages
[07:16] <ubuntu> always wanted to try it
[07:16] <ubuntu> wow
[07:16] <ubuntu> that's why i like debian distros
[07:16] <kkathman> its very nice and the user community is very helpful
[07:16] <ubuntu> great
[07:17] <kkathman> good luck and hope to see you back in here :)
[07:17] <ubuntu> luckily this laptop has an intel video card
[07:17] <kavit> ubuntu: try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:17] <ubuntu> ok thanks
[07:17] <kkathman> kavit: he's only running live cd right now
[07:17] <ubuntu> and hope you have a nice new year
[07:17] <kavit> ah
[07:17] <kkathman> when he installs he can try that if its not working :)
[07:18] <kkathman> depending on the ATI card, he may or may not have issues...probably wont
[07:19] <kavit> i dont know what peoples issue with ATI cards is
[07:19] <ubuntu> uses mach64 driver
[07:20] <odat> hi everyone
[07:20] <odat> quick question
[07:20] <kavit> I have an X800 running wonderfully
[07:20] <kkathman> kavit: some ATI card are problematic.... ATI isnt very Linux friendly
[07:20] <kavit> kkathman: it has come a long way
[07:20] <kkathman> yeah it has
[07:20] <kavit> especially 8.20.8
[07:20] <sebastian> i need help
[07:20] <kavit> or whatever the new version is.
[07:20] <odat> if i installed kubuntu-desktop will those libraries be loaded when i use gnome or only when i use kde
[07:21] <sebastian> how do i get the icons to be bigger
[07:21] <kkathman> odat both
[07:21] <kavit> sebastian: icons to be bigger where?
[07:21] <kkathman> sebastian: system settings
[07:21] <sebastian> i just got firefox but both the icons adn the fonts inside firefox and conqueror are too small
[07:21] <sebastian> i already went to fonts
[07:21] <sebastian> but it didn-t change anything
[07:21] <odat> kkathman, so if i install kubuntu-desktop those libraries will be loaded regardless of desktop?
[07:21] <ubuntu> ati rage pro turbo agp
[07:21] <kavit> sebastian: Konqueror :(
[07:21] <kkathman> sebastian: system settings - appearance - icons - advanced tab
[07:22] <kkathman> odat yes
[07:22] <odat> hmmm
[07:22] <odat> k
[07:22] <kkathman> odat you can run kde apps in gnome and vice versa
[07:23] <sebastian> how do i get the text of html pages to be bigger
[07:23] <kkathman> sebastian: in the browser you are using
[07:23] <sebastian> without ahving to go to firefox view>text size>increase every time
[07:24] <kkathman> usually under the preferences
[07:24] <kkathman> sebastian: no thats the way you do it
[07:24] <kkathman> set your preferences in firefox
[07:24] <sebastian> what about the icons
[07:24] <sebastian> i changed the size bigger
[07:24] <sebastian> yet firefox-s icons remain the same
[07:25] <kavit> sebastian: hit <ctrl> & + in firefox to increase text size
[07:25] <kavit> faster than using the mouse
[07:25] <kkathman> sebastian: things inside firefox are set in there not in KDE
[07:25] <sebastian> then how do you change the icons bigger?
[07:25] <sebastian> the icons are wee compared to how firefox works on windows
[07:26] <kkathman> sebastian: you can set your default font in FFox -  Edit - Preferences (on the front page Colors and Fonts)
[07:26] <kkathman> sebastian: dont try to compare FFx in windows and linux they are not the same
[07:27] <ftg2> you want bigger icons? change the theme.
[07:27] <kkathman> yep that works too
[07:29] <sebastian> how do i do that?
[07:29] <sebastian> right now i am upgrading to breezy
[07:30] <kkathman> sebastian: Tools - Extensions
[07:32] <sebastian> ok i have the gb english pack
[07:32] <sebastian> theres  an option to get more extensions
[07:32] <sebastian> i don-t want to change the theme though
[07:34] <Psi-Jack> Anyone here know if artsd, left default configuration, if it'll lock multiple sound cards, or just the one on index 0?
[07:37] <dgeyer> Does anyone know the official release of Dapper, or where i can find the info to it
[07:37] <dgeyer> the release date?
[07:37] <Hobbsee> !dapper
[07:37] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. It's going to be released on April 20, 2006. Not before. Use at your _own_ risk before the release date.
[07:38] <dgeyer> thank you
[07:38] <Hobbsee> !wiki dapperdrake
[07:38] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[07:38] <Hobbsee> wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[07:38] <sebastian> is winlinux easier than kubuntu for a windows user?
[07:38] <dgeyer> thanks for the link
[07:39] <Hobbsee> winlinux?
[07:39] <kieran> hey hobsee
[07:39] <kieran> thanks for helping out last night
[07:39] <kieran> much appreciated
[07:39] <kieran> pretty sure everything worked
[07:39] <sebastian> can you install/run .exe files on winlinux?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> kieran: no problems :)
[07:39] <freeflying_> Anyone is usingdapper now ?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: yep
[07:39] <kieran> what is dapper?
[07:39] <Hobbsee> well, not right now right now, but i was earlier
[07:39] <dgeyer> I Love Linux, i just recently switched from Fedora, to SuSE to Kubuntu.
[07:39] <Hobbsee> kieran: read up
[07:40] <dgeyer> Got to love it
[07:40] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: may you have a try of sikm for me
[07:40] <Hobbsee> not booted there now - mouse is somehow screwed up
[07:40] <Hobbsee> *touchpad
[07:40] <kieran> im having problems getting resolv.conf to keep my DNS settings saved
[07:40] <dgeyer> I had some problems w/ dapper uing Adept, after an update it crashes, and wont work any more, but the terminal it will
[07:40] <kieran> always goes back to defualt
[07:41] <kavit> do the ati fglrx drivers work on dapper with Xorg 6.9 ?
[07:41] <freeflying_> I need someone have a try of skim under dapper
[07:42] <kieran> ahhhh
[07:42] <kieran> dapper is new ubuntu
[07:42] <kieran> is it good?
[07:43] <kkathman> kieran: its to be released in April
[07:43] <ftg2> i'm using dapper now. using nvidia-glx corrupts the virtual consoles and causes random crashes when attempting to switch back into x, but other than that no problems.
[07:43] <sampan> it will be good, but if "stable" and "works properly" are part of your definition of "good" then dapper is currently -not- good, because it's in heavy development
[07:43] <kkathman> good way to put it sampan :)
[07:44] <ubuntu> ok
[07:44] <ubuntu> thanks for all your help
[07:44] <sampan> lol
[07:44] <ubuntu> will go ahead and try things you all told me
[07:44] <ubuntu> will be back
[07:44] <ubuntu> thank
[07:44] <ubuntu> bye
[07:46] <kieran> wb hobs
[07:46] <Hobbsee> oy!
[07:46] <Hobbsee> kubuntu dapper didnt detect my serial mouse!
[07:46] <kkathman> oooops
[07:46] <Hobbsee> how do i run the hardware detection again?
[07:47] <sampan> oy oy oy!  aussie aussie aussie!
[07:47] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:47] <kieran> hahaha
[07:47] <Hobbsee> hi sampan
[07:47] <kieran> nice
[07:47] <sampan> hi hobbsee  :)
[07:47] <dgeyer> So I take it the distro works be release by. example 6.04. Would be Year.Month
[07:47] <sebastian> what do you do after kynaptic loads teh upgrade(breezy)?
[07:47] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:47] <dgeyer> awsome
[07:50] <dgeyer> thanks for everthing guys
[07:50] <dgeyer> everything*
[07:50] <dgeyer> <--- First time on IRC
[07:51] <nalioth> dgeyer: welcome
[07:51] <kieran> are there any other repositories other than archive.kubuntu.com
[07:51] <kieran> ?
[07:51] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: hi
[07:52] <Hobbsee> hi freeflying_
[07:52] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: r u in kde now
[07:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, and my touchpad is screwing up - must have been yesterdays upgrades, mouse isnt moving as far as it should, as i move my finger on the touchpad - and i forgot to plug in the wired mouse before booting, so that's not been detected
[07:53] <Hobbsee> so i might end up rebooting again
[07:54] <ilba7r> howdee hobbsee :)
[07:54] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: hmm
[07:54] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: may you install skim for a test
[07:55] <Hobbsee> yes, how do i do it?
[07:55] <freeflying_>  Hobbsee sudo aptitude install skim scim-pinyin scim-qtimm
[07:56] <sampan> are the scim/skim packages in dapper (backports) now?  i'm -still- dyin...errr waiting patiently for them in breezy ;X
[07:56] <Hobbsee> grabbing them
[07:56] <freeflying_> sampan: scim and skim are in universe now
[07:56] <sampan> (that is to say, the packages are in the breezy repos, but they're busted badly -- lots of problems with them)
[07:57] <sampan> freeflying_  yeah, but there are serious problems with the repos' packages
[07:57] <freeflying_> sampan: what ?
[07:58] <sampan> freeflying_  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6979
[07:59] <sampan> a bunch of chinese linux forums basically came to the conclusion: if you -need- scim don't install breezy, just stick with hoary until the dapper backports are ready -- the problems are severe -- scim locks up my pc so bad even alt-cntl-backspace won't kill X -- i have to literally unplug my pc to get it to unhang
[07:59] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: ok, how do i test it?
[07:59] <Mez> sampan: it is not currently possible to backport scim
[08:00] <Mez> sampan: well not without backporting EVERY single application that uses scim anyway
[08:00] <sampan> Mez, so basically it's "wait until dapper" -- that's pretty disappointing for a distro that prides itself on internationalization.  i really love ubuntu, but .. man
[08:00] <sebastian> what do i do after kynaptic has loaded breezy?
[08:01] <Mez> sampan - you may want to speak to mdz about getting the problems fixed in breezy - but - as a "backport" it's not possible
[08:01] <Mez> I'm not saying it can't be fixed - just saying it cant be fixed through backports :D
[08:01] <freeflying_> Hobbsee:  then  " sudo nano /etc/X11/Xsession.d/95xinput"
[08:01] <freeflying_> Hobbsee:  Add following line in it
[08:01] <sampan> Mez, gotcha.  who's mdz?  because i would dearly love to get scim back (kinda need it for writing my dissertation)
[08:01] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM
[08:02] <sebastian> help
[08:02] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: export GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
[08:02] <Mez> sampan - mdz is our CTO (or something like that)
[08:02] <Mez> our head techy guy
[08:02] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: export QT_IM_MODULE="scim"
[08:02] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: and make the file named 95xinput excutable
[08:02] <Mez> sampan, as a suggestion - you might want to bring up the scim issues in a Tech Board meeting and exaplin what the problem is and say how it affects you and many others and explain why it needs to be fixed
[08:03] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: done
[08:03] <Hobbsee> then what?
[08:03] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: restart kde
[08:03] <Mez> sampan, the next Tech Board Meeting is on tuesday 17th, at 20:00 UTC
[08:03] <sampan> Mez, ahhhhh ... i might give him a try one of these days.  The bug report was pretty accurate for my troubles.  Oddly, scim worked on initial install for me, but then blew up after an update (same updates that fixed the kubuntu admin mode bug)
[08:03] <Mez> for refence the time in utc is currently
[08:03] <Hobbsee> ok
[08:04] <Mez> Thu Jan 12 07:04:07 UTC 2006
[08:04] <freeflying_> sampan: As for the breezy , I can use scim and skim smoothly
[08:04] <Mez> it may be worth bringing it up int he tech board meeting
[08:04] <Mez> or if it's kubuntu-specific - speak to Riddell regarding it - he should be able to talk to Matt about getting it into breezy-updates
[08:04] <sampan> Mez, i think that time might be doable for me.  Is there any procedure I have to go through to get there, and/or on the agenda?
[08:05] <freeflying_> Mez: there have MainInclusionReport of scim and skim
[08:05] <Hobbsee> ok, i'm back
[08:05] <freeflying_> Hobbsee:  run " skim -d "
[08:05] <Hobbsee> OOH!  reverted to the other driver, touchpad works fine again!
[08:05] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: and tell me what happens
[08:06] <Mez> freeflying_, is it not currently main ?
[08:06] <sampan> freeflying_  yeah, it doesn't blow up for everyone. but the bug report link i posted is pretty accurate for me -- although seems my lockups were even more severe than most peoples' problems with it.
[08:06] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: does nothing, just goes back to the prompt
[08:06] <Hobbsee> no errors or anything
[08:06] <Mez> freeflying - I believe Riddel''s trying to fix the internationalisation issues by introducing immodule
[08:06] <Mez> well, for input :D
[08:07] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: can you get skim system tray icon like this http://ubuntu-zh.3322.org/screenshot/skim-trayicon.png
[08:08] <Hobbsee> no system tray icon at all
[08:09] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: is your kde up-to-data
[08:09] <Hobbsee> should be, yep
[08:10] <freeflying_> sampan:  Mez  : http://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportskim  http://wiki.kubuntu.org/InputMethods/SCIM?highlight=%28scim%29
[08:10] <Hobbsee> it is
[08:10] <sebastian> ok
[08:10] <sebastian> i was getting breezy
[08:11] <sebastian> then it said it couldn-t get certain packages
[08:11] <freeflying_> Hobbsee:  It's seems something wrong with it
[08:11] <sebastian> then it went grey
[08:11] <sebastian> kynaptic that is
[08:11] <sebastian> then i reopened it
[08:11] <sebastian> and clicked on the third icon
[08:11] <sebastian> and it says operation not doable with broken packages
[08:11] <sebastian> fix them first
[08:11] <sebastian> how do i go abut doing this?
[08:11] <Hobbsee> freeflying_: indeed - refresh kde, and try again?
[08:12] <freeflying_> Hobbsee: it won't work , I suppose
[08:13] <sebastian> it says could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock open
[08:13] <sebastian> anyone?
[08:13] <Hobbsee> sebastian: close synaptic/adept first
[08:13] <sebastian> i did
[08:13] <sampan> freeflying_  *nod*  yeah that all looks right.  believe me, i've installed and used scim on mandrake 10.1, mandriva 2005LE, mandriva 2006, knoppix, ubuntu hoary -- and it did work briefly on breezy too. :/
[08:14] <sampan> but i've installed and reinstalled about 6 different times on breezy since it went *boom* and i can't get it to work any more
[08:15] <freeflying_> sampan: I don't know which release of scim you've installed
[08:15] <sampan> the ones in the repos
[08:15] <freeflying_> sampan: but you may have a look here suppose
[08:15] <sebastian> what do i do now?
[08:15] <freeflying_> sampan: it is 1.0.2 in breezy now , And you mean this one
[08:16] <sampan> freeflying_  isn't that the same version that's been there since release?
[08:17] <freeflying_> sampan: in dapper is 1.4.2 now
[08:17] <sampan> yeah, that's the current version from scim itself, right?
[08:18] <freeflying_> sampan:  but it's not in breezy , if you want to use the up-to-data release of scim in breezy , you'd add this repo
[08:19] <freeflying_> sampan: deb http://ubuntu.cn99.com/ubuntu breezy main
[08:19] <sampan> are those the debs that are listed on the bug report?  if so, i went to that site and downloaded those debs and installed and they segfaulted on me too
[08:20] <freeflying_> sampan:  the segfault you get is not due to scim's fault
[08:20] <freeflying_> sampan: it have bveen talked too much
[08:21] <freeflying_> sampan: you can find it in Suse's ml and scim's
[08:22] <freeflying_> sampan: scim deb in the repo I gave above will works fine
[08:23] <sampan> k, i'll give it a go and see -- my research writing is a lot simpler if i can just input characters as i type notes, etc.
[08:24] <kieran> can anyone help with config of resolv.conf?
[08:24] <kieran> wont stayed saved after i reboot
[08:24] <freeflying_> kieran: nameserver  xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
[08:25] <kieran> got that bit sorted
[08:25] <kieran> i save it with wq
[08:25] <kieran> then i restart computer
[08:25] <kieran> and goes back to original router address
[08:25] <kieran> i added in my own DNS address' that i wantd
[08:31] <ftg2> what packages do I need for X development (dapper)? i've already installed x-window-system-dev yet konstruct still complains about missing X paths :\
[08:34] <sampan> freeflying_  funny -- i just set that repo as my only repo in sources.list, updated package lists, and it doesn't even show scim there
[08:34] <sebastian> i need help
[08:34] <kieran> same
[08:34] <sebastian> i was loading breezy on kynaptic
[08:34] <kieran> i need some help
[08:34] <sebastian> and it finished
[08:34] <freeflying> sankarshan: then just download the deb file you want , and dpkg -i
[08:34] <sebastian> but when i was going to click on the second button
[08:35] <sebastian> then it says some lock can-t be open or something
[08:35] <sebastian> and that the operation is not executable with broken packages
[08:35] <sebastian> that ive got to fix them first
[08:35] <sebastian> and for some reason my internet isn-t working
[08:35] <sebastian> or more like
[08:35] <advers> hey
[08:35] <sebastian> my browsing
[08:35] <advers> how do you install BitchX
[08:35] <sebastian> will someone help?
[08:35] <advers> i extracted the files to my dkestop
[08:36] <advers> its sudo what?
[08:36] <advers> sebastian
[08:36] <advers> do you know
[08:36] <sebastian> nope
[08:36] <sebastian> i-m in a much worse situation
[08:36] <sebastian> i had to install kubuntu after erasing windows accidentally
[08:36] <advers> are you doing DHCP
[08:37] <sampan> advers, if you're in konsole (terminal): sudo apt-get install bitchx  will install it.  but you should already have irssi, which is (imho) a better text-only irc client
[08:37] <advers> ok
[08:37] <advers> thanks
[08:37] <sebastian> sampan help me
[08:37] <advers> what is irssi?
[08:37] <advers> I dont have that dude
[08:38] <advers> I have Konversation
[08:38] <advers> and it sucks
[08:38] <advers> im on
[08:38] <advers> windows right now
[08:38] <advers> my other comp is on linux
[08:38] <advers> i have 2 comps
[08:39] <sampan> advers  irssi is a text-only irc client (like bitchx), and i'm pretty sure you have it installed (by default) on breezy.  in a terminal/konsole type: irssi
[08:39] <sampan> it's not a GUI app (neither is bitchx), so it's keyboard and text-only (like bitchx)
[08:39] <advers> oh hell no
[08:39] <advers> i dont want text only
[08:39] <sebastian> help
[08:39] <Chousuke> Nothing wrong with text-only
[08:40] <sampan> lol well that's what bitchx is -- and irssi (irssi is what i use myself -- it's an awesome irc client)
[08:40] <Hobbsee> advers: you might be wanting xchat then
[08:40] <advers> ok
[08:40] <advers> where do i get that
[08:40] <advers> nm
[08:40] <advers> i got it
[08:40] <advers> but
[08:40] <advers> which one do i get
[08:40] <advers> the Fedora Core 3/4?
[08:40] <Chousuke> no.
[08:40] <Chousuke> use apt-get
[08:41] <Chousuke> sudo apt-get install xchat or something
[08:41] <Chousuke> or with synaptic
[08:41] <Chousuke> if you like GUIs
[08:41] <advers> oh wow
[08:41] <advers> how useful
[08:41] <Chousuke> heh. That's what I thought the first time I tried APT. :)
[08:43] <kieran> anyone up for helping me with resolv.conf
[08:43] <fridge> yeah!
[08:44] <kieran> ok
[08:44] <kieran> why does it go back to default every time i reboot
[08:44] <fridge> I think some part of the init process is overwriting your changes
[08:44] <kieran> anyway to prevent that
[08:44] <kieran> i hate editing it every time just so firefox works
[08:46] <kieran> ?
[08:50] <fridge> do you use DHCP?
[08:50] <fridge> or PPP?
[08:50] <fridge> it looks like the ppp-dns script overwrites resolv.conf, as would a DHCP call
[08:50] <Tm_T> err
[08:51] <Tm_T> user can control it
[08:51] <kieran> DHCP
[08:51] <kieran> how?
[08:51] <Tm_T> lemme check one thing
[08:51] <kieran> it keeps overwriting my resolv.conf file when i reboot
[08:52] <Tm_T> hmm, wiki it is
[08:52] <kieran> yeah i been looking
[08:52] <kieran> but didnt know quite what i had been looking for
[08:52] <Tm_T> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StaticDnsWithDhcp
[08:52] <kieran> i tried a few things off the ubuntu forum
[08:52] <Tm_T> I think that's it
[08:54] <Tm_T> kieran: look that one, prolly all you need
[08:54] <kieran> i got to the directory
[08:55] <kieran> but that file isnt there
[08:55] <lance_> woah
[08:55] <lance_> this is weird
[08:55] <adverse> finally
[08:55] <kieran> found it
[08:55] <Tm_T> :p
[08:56] <adverse> sampan
[08:56] <adverse> u there
[08:56] <sampan> indeed
[08:58] <kieran> damn
[08:58] <kieran> cant save it
[08:58] <kieran> how do i get root access to save that file
[08:58] <Chousuke> sudo nano /file
[08:58] <Tm_T> sudo nano /path/file
[08:58] <Tm_T> Chousuke: damn, young and fast? ;)
[08:58] <Chousuke> use your own pass for sudo
[08:58] <Chousuke> :P
[08:59] <Chousuke> I should get going now.
[08:59] <kieran> how do i save it in nano
[08:59] <kieran> i usually use vim
[09:00] <Tm_T> kieran: ctrl-x and answer yes
[09:00] <Tm_T> quit and save
[09:01] <kieran> kieran@linux:~$ sudo invoke-rc.d networking restart
[09:01] <kieran>  * Reconfiguring network interfaces...                                   [fail] 
[09:01] <Tm_T> :o
[09:01] <kieran> i have some loopback thing happening
[09:01] <kieran> wtf is that
[09:01] <kieran> :(
[09:01] <vega-> hmm
[09:01] <Tm_T> meh meh
[09:02] <PsySine-> hi what is the name of the program that sometimes is started the first time you log in to set things up in some distributions?
[09:02] <Tm_T> kpersonalizer
[09:02] <PsySine-> thanks :)
[09:02] <Tm_T> has nothing to do with distribution, it's KDE thing
[09:03] <Tm_T> anyway, I'm gone for now ->
[09:03] <PsySine-> yeah but it only whows in some dists
[09:03] <kieran> damn
[09:03] <kieran> this is annoying
[09:03] <ravel> hi, I'm using Kubuntu 5.10 (KDE 3.5.0) and trying to get bitmap fonts work with Konsole... it doesn't seem to work the way it should
[09:04] <Psi-Jack> Is there a Firefox 1.5 package available?
[09:04] <kieran> it's running
[09:04] <kieran> http://getfirefox.com
[09:04] <kieran> i can get it to work
[09:04] <ravel> I like Konsole but it is very slow with normal truetype/antialiased fonts
[09:04] <kieran> only if i edit /etc/resolv.conf
[09:05] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[09:05] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[09:05] <kieran> with the DNS settings i set
[09:05] <ravel> "Could not install console8x16.pcf.gz into fonts:/Personal/"
[09:06] <Psi-Jack> Thank ya, Hobbsee
[09:06] <Hobbsee> no problems Psi-Jack
[09:07] <kieran> you got no idea about this hobbsee?
[09:07] <Hobbsee> nope
[09:07] <kieran> damn
[09:07] <kieran> i been lookin all day on the net
[09:08] <kieran> are there any other repositories i can put into my list to find programs that source cant find?
[09:14] <Hobbsee> apart from the stuff in !repos?
[09:15] <kieran> !repos
[09:15] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:16] <kieran> how do you lock a file
[09:16] <kieran> on ubuntu it says
[09:16] <kieran> sudo -w /etc/resolv.conf
[09:16] <kieran> but i get error when i do that
[09:16] <kieran> illegal option
[09:18] <Hobbsee> why do you want to lock a file?
[09:19] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[09:19] <kieran> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=88525&highlight=DNS+problems
[09:20] <kieran> they reckon lock it
[09:20] <kieran> so it can be overridden
[09:20] <kieran> *cant
[09:24] <kieran> no way to lock them?
[09:25] <ftg2> kieran: try setting it immutable. man chattr
[09:26] <kieran> ok
[09:26] <kieran> so code goes
[09:27] <kieran> sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf
[09:27] <kieran> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[09:27] <ftg2> now check it with lsattr
[09:35] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i am too dumb to build it, (i can't understand the weird mozilla things)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> lol true - it can be rather a pain
[09:36] <nalioth> firefox builds easily, i dont understand how they have t-bird set up
[09:37] <Hobbsee> didnt think it was too difficult, different parameters to firefox though
[09:37] <Hobbsee> wonder how complex it is
[09:41] <Hobbsee> nalioth: sheesh, takes a while to download the sources!
[09:43] <ftg2> kieran never returned. i wonder if his resolv.conf issue has been resolved.
[09:44] <sampan> ftg2  that's the odd part about troubleshooting -- it's hard to know whether they didn't come back because it worked or because it didn't :X
[09:46] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i never could figure out which sources to grab
[09:46] <Hobbsee> i did the .tar.gz from the main mozilla site, and the ones from dapper repos, to upgrade it
[09:46] <Hobbsee> i dont expect it to build, but we'll see
[09:47] <Hobbsee> but i'd love 1.5 in dapper
[09:47] <nalioth> enigmail broke with the last security update of t-bird
[09:48] <Hobbsee> seems to work here
[09:48] <nalioth> i have to gpg my stuff and paste it into tbird now
[09:48] <Hobbsee> with 1.0.7, it seems to work
[09:48] <Hobbsee> not sure why the breezy one is havign trouble though
[09:54] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it failed
[09:55] <nalioth> Hobbsee: i gave up cuz i couldnt tell which sources to d/l
[09:56] <Psi-Jack> Anyone know how to get an ATI AiW Radeon 8500's TV Tuner to work? I noticed that Kubuntu's HAL didn't pick it up.
[10:10] <ftg2> sampan: lol, i wish he had come back. i am half tempted to set my own resolv.conf immutable and observe the effect
[10:10] <sampan> lol
[10:24] <sebastian> Riddell: cant connect to quaker
[10:24] <sebastian> [03:23]  [Error]  Connection to Server irc://irc.quaker.eu.org/ failed. name lookup has failed
[10:25] <Mez> sebastian, another quaker ?
[10:26] <sebastian> yes
[10:26] <Mez> It seems they're all around me - and I don't know :D
[10:26] <Mez> lol
[10:26] <Mez> (I've been finding a lot out about quakers after finding my new house mate is one)
[10:27] <sebastian> Are you from england?
[10:28] <sebastian> or Scotland?
[10:28] <Psi-Jack> !thunderbird1.5
[10:28] <ubotu> Psi-Jack: I haven't a clue
[10:28] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. Drats. heh
[10:28] <sebastian> Mez:
[10:29] <Mez> sebastian, England
[10:29] <sebastian> there's more chances of finding quakers in england
[10:29] <sebastian> than here in Costa Rica
[10:31] <Mez> sebastian, lol
[10:33] <Riddell> sebastian: you seem to be on irc.quaker
[10:34] <sebastian> Riddell: and thank god that read not "JOHNY I'M FALLIN!!HELP!"
[11:55] <weekang> hi
[11:56] <weekang> how can i get automounting of usb devices 2 work in kubuntu breezy?
[12:00] <visik7> weekang: it just works
[12:01] <hawking> whenever I want to load a new keyboard layout with setxkbmap I get this error "Error loading new keyboard description" I think my keyboard layout descriptions are corrupt. what is the package that has the keybord layouts? I should reinstall it.. or does anyone has any other idea?
[12:02] <weekang> visik7: which directory does it mount my usb drive to?
[12:04] <visik7>  /media/usbdisk
[12:04] <weekang> doesn't exist there
[12:04] <weekang> might be because i'm using xfce-desktop though
[12:04] <weekang> but i started from kubuntu 5.10
[12:07] <weekang> visik7, do u have any idea?
[12:07] <visik7> weekang: have u hal running ?
[12:08] <weekang> how do i check that?
[12:08] <weekang> how can i find out?
[12:10] <Hobbsee> weekang: are you saying that the USB stick doesnt mount in /media/usbdisk, or doesnt show up as an icon on the desktop?
[12:11] <visik7> weekang: ps ax |grep hal
[12:13] <weekang>  6783 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/hald
[12:13] <weekang>  6788 ?        S      0:00 hald-addon-acpi
[12:13] <weekang>  6797 ?        S      0:08 hald-addon-storage
[12:13] <weekang> 13174 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep hal
[12:13] <weekang> Hobbsee: both
[12:13] <weekang> but not showing up as icon is ok
[12:13] <weekang> since xfce doesn't not display the contents of a folder on the desktop
[12:13] <weekang> it's just not even automounting in /media
[12:14] <Hobbsee> does it show up in mount, at all?
[12:14] <weekang> it doesn't
[12:14] <weekang> i have 2 mount it myself
[12:14] <kavit> restart hald?
[12:14] <weekang> it does appear in /dev/sda though
[12:14] <weekang> so at least i can mount it
[12:15] <weekang> how do i restart hald?
[12:15] <weekang> kill it first and then run it?
[12:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, usually
[12:15] <kavit> you could do killall -HUP hald
[12:15] <weekang> ok lemme try
[12:17] <weekang> nope still doesn't work
[12:17] <weekang> restarted hald
[12:20] <weekang> yeah hobbsee i was wondering about that myself..
[12:20] <weekang> anyway thanks guys
[12:20] <weekang> everyone
[12:22] <AdTheRat> I've installed kubuntu and it set my root password to be the same as my user password. How do I set the password to be different?
[12:22] <hawking> whenever I want to load a new keyboard layout with setxkbmap I get this error "Error loading new keyboard description" I think my keyboard layout descriptions are corrupt. what is the package that has the keybord layouts? I should reinstall it.. or does anyone has any other idea?
[12:26] <AdTheRat> Hmm
[12:26] <weekang> AdTheRat: this may break your system, but maybe u can 'sudo su' to make urself root, then 'passwd' to change the password.
[12:26] <weekang> but i think it's not advisable
[12:26] <AdTheRat> Hmm.. does it by any chance causes some appilcations to go
[12:26] <AdTheRat> "temriated with child status (1)"
[12:26] <weekang> it may
[12:26] <AdTheRat> or something similer?
[12:27] <AdTheRat> dart
[12:27] <weekang> don't mess with the root password
[12:27] <Psi-Jack> weekang: Why would you say it's not advisable to set the root password?
[12:28] <AdTheRat> I find it odd.. it's not having the root password different to user account
[12:30] <Psi-Jack> I find it not odd, but absolutely INSANE, not to have a root password set. In the example, what if user accounts get disabled/deleted, or is in some way, unable to be retrieved (say over NIS, as an example). Not having a root password set would really cause a problem. :)
[12:30] <AdTheRat> Psi, a root password is set
[12:30] <AdTheRat> it just the same as my user password
[12:31] <Psi-Jack> Now that's plain stupid.
[12:31] <AdTheRat> what I think as well
[12:31] <AdTheRat> but when I insalled it with a root password ifferent to user
[12:31] <AdTheRat> some Adminstrative programs
[12:31] <AdTheRat> falls ovr
[12:31] <weekang> psi-jack: i dunno.. i juz tot ubuntu did it for their own reason
[12:31] <weekang> u know
[12:31] <AdTheRat> with some crap about Child Status (1)
[12:31] <weekang> since u're using that distro
[12:31] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: Umm.. You actually sudo'd to root, to run passwd?
[12:32] <weekang> u shld follow what the creators did
[12:32] <weekang> i dunno
[12:32] <weekang> if they wanted to let u have a different root password easily
[12:32] <weekang> they would have asked u
[12:32] <weekang> it's just my feeling
[12:32] <Psi-Jack> weekang: Yes. They didn't want to ask for the root password during installation. And for users to have direct access to root, ALL the time. It's a newbie thing. And quite honestly, it's a good start.
[12:32] <AdTheRat> but not a hugely secure way thou, Psi?
[12:33] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: Actually, in a way, it's more secure. Unless problems arrise locally. :)
[12:33] <weekang> well users do have access to root
[12:33] <weekang> since the password is the same
[12:34] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: I want to know.. First off, did you explicitely set the root password to the same as your user password?
[12:34] <weekang> psi: that is the case by default
[12:34] <Psi-Jack> weekang: root has a disabled password, after initial install.
[12:35] <weekang> in a default install of kubunu or ubuntu
[12:35] <weekang> really?
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> You cannot exlusively login as root, until you manually change the password.
[12:35] <Psi-Jack> sudo su, for example, is asking for YOUR password, not root's.
[12:36] <Psi-Jack> As for that really. Yes, really. :)
[12:36] <weekang> ok
[12:36] <weekang> here
[12:36] <weekang> http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:meok2Pk9Yj0J:www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/faq/root+create+root+account+ubuntu&hl=en&client=firefox
[12:37] <weekang> "The root account is disabled when you first install Ubuntu. The first user created during the installation has administrative rights on the system, and can run programs as root with sudo, using only their normal user password. For example: sudo apt-get update.
[12:37] <weekang> If you wish to use the root account in more traditional UNIX fashion, you can set the root password by typing sudo passwd root. This will allow you to use su or login as root on the console.
[12:37] <weekang> If you need a shell with root privileges, run sudo -s.
[12:37] <weekang> All uses of sudo will require the user's password."
[12:37] <weekang> might be useful, found from google but only exists in cache
[12:37] <weekang> oops
[12:37] <weekang> did i cause netsplit?
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> weekang: Did you DOS attack freenode's network? :)
[12:38] <weekang> heh
[12:38] <weekang> anyway
[12:38] <weekang> i think
[12:38] <weekang> sudo passwd root
[12:38] <weekang> will create a root account
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> Right.
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> I could have told you that. IN fact. I think I did say something about it earlier. :)
[12:38] <AdTheRat> what did I miss in the netspilt?
[12:38] <weekang> oh wait
[12:39] <weekang> i guess that's for adtherat
[12:39] <weekang> heh
[12:39] <weekang> i tot u were him
[12:39] <AdTheRat> I got caugh in the netspilt ^^;
[12:39] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[12:39] <AdTheRat> so I've missed everything after..
 just explain, cause I'm coming from different Linux build a long time ago and hearing why root password should be diferent to user password :P
[12:39] <weekang> adtherat: sudo passwd root
[12:40] <weekang> but i'm wondering
[12:40] <weekang> after one creates a root account with a different password
[12:40] <weekang> will sudo on the user account require the user password or the root password?
[12:40] <weekang> it gets confusing
[12:40] <AdTheRat> sudo requires root password
[12:41] <weekang> adtherat: i think ubuntu may have different behavior
[12:41] <weekang> what do u think psi-jack
[12:42] <AdTheRat> Psi-Jack, just wondering if you could explain how having the password the same on Kubuntu would mean it be more secure?
[12:42] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: Eh?
 AdTheRat: Actually, in a way, it's more secure. Unless problems arrise locally. :)
[12:42] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: No, sudo requires YOUR own password.
[12:42] <Psi-Jack> Not root's.
[12:43] <AdTheRat> but I thought sudo does root adminstations.. ouu...
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> Yes. Your /own/ user's password.
[12:43] <weekang> yes see
[12:43] <AdTheRat> I think I'm starting to understand..
[12:43] <weekang> it's abit weird on ubuntu
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> AdTheRat: It does. sudo is a great tool. :)
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> weekang: No, it's not wierd. This is standard.
[12:43] <weekang> really?
[12:43] <Psi-Jack> Uhh yeah...
[12:43] <weekang> sudo always requires ur own password?
[12:44] <Psi-Jack> You could actually make it NOT require a password at all, with sudo.
[12:44] <Psi-Jack> With configuration changes to sudoers.conf. :)
[12:44] <weekang> i tot it was just a convenient shortcut for first su then execute the program
[12:44] <weekang> on other distros of linux esp
[12:44] <weekang> anyway
[12:44] <weekang> my usb drive also shows up on lsusb
[12:44] <Psi-Jack> It's just /really/ good practice to use root only when necessary.
[12:45] <weekang> ok
[12:45] <weekang> i just don't see it automounted anywhere
[12:45] <weekang> anyone got any advice?
[12:45] <AdTheRat> Hmmmm, ok, so what is sudo do, really?
[12:46] <AdTheRat> it's that like, if my user account have root permission... it lets me do roots stuff with sudo instead of having to log in as root?
[12:47] <hawking> anyone who can do me a favor?
[12:47] <hawking> my keyboard layouts are corrupt can someone send me the directory /etc/X11/xkb ?
[12:47] <hawking> I'll really appreciate
[12:49] <jamzed> Hi.
[12:49] <weekang> btw
[12:50] <weekang> does anyone know if grub can be uninstalled from the MBR?
[12:50] <AdTheRat> that would scare me..
[12:50] <AdTheRat> personally, I would just install differnent boot loader rather then uninstall a boot loader
[12:52] <weekang> btw
[12:52] <weekang> does anyone know if grub can be uninstalled from the MBR?
[12:55] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.. Does K/ubuntu not install ide-scsi for use for cdrecord, by default?
[12:58] <DocTomoe> where would the right channel fr dapper development be?
[12:58] <robotgeek> DocTomoe: you want to develop or just want support?
[12:59] <DocTomoe> robotgeek: I am actively betatesting, and there seems to be a serious problem with glibc in the current state
[12:59] <hawking> Does anyone know what package creates /etc/X11/xkb?
[12:59] <DocTomoe> robotgeek: no, I do not want to file a bug report virtually nobody reads on launchpad
[01:00] <robotgeek> DocTomoe: that's not true, however if you go to #ubuntu-devel, they might not respond.
[01:00] <robotgeek> DocTomoe: best bet is to go in there, and ping someone in there and #ubuntu, and ask them in #ubuntu
[01:01] <robotgeek> raphink meet DocTomoe :)
[01:01] <DocTomoe> k
[01:01] <raphink> hi robotgeek
[01:01] <raphink> hi DocTomoe
[01:01] <DocTomoe> hi raphink
[01:01] <robotgeek> hey raphink, he has a dapper glibc question
[01:02] <raphink> ok
[01:02] <raphink> let's see if I can answer it
[01:02] <raphink> :s
[01:02] <DocTomoe> lol, here I go
[01:02] <DocTomoe> I am using an up-to-date dapper kubuntu
[01:02] <raphink> mhm
[01:02] <DocTomoe> whenever I try to enter something in konquerors address bar, it freezes and crashes soon thereafter
[01:03] <DocTomoe> martin@haguchan:~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror$ konqueror
[01:03] <DocTomoe> *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x4033d278 ***
[01:03] <DocTomoe> Alarm clock
[01:03] <DocTomoe> that is the message that konqueror gives me at crashing.
[01:03] <raphink> when did that begin?
[01:03] <DocTomoe> about 4 hours ago
[01:03] <raphink> hmm
[01:03] <AdTheRat> hmmm..
[01:03] <raphink> ok I guess I should update my box and try ;)
[01:04] <AdTheRat> the things that make the world go round.
[01:05] <DocTomoe> I especially find that "alarm clock" message interesting.
[01:06] <DocTomoe> raphink: deleting ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/*history* seemed to work for about 30 minutes, now, I have the exactly same problem.
[01:09] <igorayeb> I have a problem when i install the kubuntu in a iMAC!
[01:29] <hawking> setxkbmap tr gives Error loading keyboard description How can i fix that?
[01:37] <djib> hello
[01:37] <djib> how can I configure where KDE mounts usb drivec
[01:37] <djib> because it sometimes mounts it to /media/sda1 and sometimes /media/usbdisc
[01:38] <djib> it's annoying
[01:39] <dark_suic> djib, most probably it will mount sometimes on media:/sda1 and other times in /media/usbdisk (i think, may be wrong)
[01:39] <dark_suic> but you'd probalby can access it from both ways
[01:40] <dark_suic> but if you want to edit the /media place, just edit (with sudo) /etc/fstab
[01:40] <nalioth> !kdesu
[01:40] <ubotu> hmm... kdesu is :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[01:40] <nalioth> dark_suic: please be more specific
[01:41] <nalioth> sudo + kde_gui_app = mangled permissions
[01:41] <nalioth> use kdesu + kde_gui_app  (and sudo in the konsole for console apps)
[01:42] <dark_suic> nalioth, i said sudo because i edit them with vi :P
[01:42] <dark_suic> and i've just got home from classes :P
[01:42] <nalioth> dark_suic: understood. but this is a general help channel, and some might take your advice and 'sudo kate' (which causes permissions mangling)
[01:44] <dark_suic> yep, sorry :) i'm just used to sudo and just never did anything with kdesu (not writing kdesu i mean :P)
[01:44] <dark_suic> (just because i think that for root privileges is better editing them in console... :P)
[01:48] <nalioth> dark_suic: we help all kinds of people here, some very new to *nix  ;)
[01:50] <dark_suic> yeah, i know, i try to help when i can :P
[01:50] <dark_suic> well, going to eat something, see you :)
[01:51] <nalioth> enjoy your meal, i'm going to sleep
[02:05] <fatbrain> hi, is there a way I could re-install the boot-loader?
[02:15] <dark_suic> fatbrain, you mean grub?
[02:18] <fatbrain> dark_suic: yes
[02:23] <dark_suic> sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub
[02:23] <dark_suic> should work
[02:23] <dark_suic> bye
[02:25] <fatbrain> dark_suic: thanks
[02:26] <fatbrain> (now I just have to figure out how to boot my computer so I sudo apt-get it)
[02:37] <skript> if I install 'gnome' packange in kubuntu, will it automatically change my default window manager to Gnome or will it keep KDE as default ?
[02:48] <visik7> where can I find FF and TB 1.5 packages ?
[02:49] <mase> my amarok keeps telling me the sound device is in use by another application, but its not, how can i force it to play?
[02:49] <mase> or atleast kill the other application thats "using" it ?
[02:49] <visik7> alt+f4 :)
[02:49] <mase> no, doesnt work
[02:50] <mase> anyone know?
[02:51] <buscommando> Why doesn't adept have the newest firefox?
[02:52] <visik7> buscommando: 'couse FF 1.5 isn't in breezy
[02:52] <visik7> buscommando: check
[02:53] <visik7> buscommando: check the wiki on howto install FF 1.5 on ubuntu
[02:55] <buscommando> thank you visik7
[03:14] <mase> how can i check which application is using my sound device?
[03:27] <fit4lfe> I have a vmware error that I want to address what is the nearest pastebin >?
[03:51] <Sarkie> hi
[03:51] <Sarkie> for some reason adept loads then closes everytime i try and run it
[03:51] <Sarkie> any ideas on how to fix it?
[03:53] <kkathman> Sarkie have you recently installed?
[03:53] <Sarkie> a while a go
[03:53] <Sarkie> i had ubuntu
[03:53] <Sarkie> then loaded kubuntu
[03:53] <Sarkie> havent used it in a while
[03:53] <kkathman> Sarkie: when you say you "loaded" kubuntu...how did you do that?
[03:54] <Sarkie> installed the kunbtu-desktop package
[03:54] <kkathman> ok
[03:54] <kkathman> since you installed, have you made changes to your sources.list?
[03:54] <Sarkie> nope all orig
[03:55] <kkathman> ok I wonder if you might paste a copy of your sources.list and let me look at it
[03:55] <kkathman> paste it to the paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[03:55] <Sarkie> two seconds then
[03:55] <Sarkie> yeah its loading
[03:57] <Sarkie> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7003
[03:58] <kkathman> Sarkie: ok they look ok to me
[03:58] <fit4lfe> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7004
[03:59] <kkathman> Sarkie: could you please type this in a konsole and tell me what returns  ps aux | grep adept
[03:59] <Sarkie> fit4lfe, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingVMWare?highlight=%28vmware%29
[04:00] <Sarkie> sarkie   10448  0.0  0.0   2932   636 pts/2    R+   14:59   0:00 grep adept
[04:00] <kkathman> Sarkie aha!
[04:00] <Sarkie> still running
[04:00] <kkathman> you have a running version
[04:00] <kkathman> yes
[04:00] <kkathman> thats why it starts then quits
[04:00] <Sarkie> which ones the the psid number
[04:00] <kkathman> cuz its still running
[04:01] <kkathman> 10448
[04:01] <kkathman> odd that it would still be running, but it happens I suppose
[04:01] <fit4lfe> thx
[04:01] <fit4lfe> helps alot
[04:01] <Sarkie> fit4lfe, its ok used it before
[04:02] <Sarkie> hmm kkathman can you give me the switch for kill,
[04:02] <kkathman> Sarkie:  should be just kill <pid>
[04:03] <Sarkie> hmm
[04:03] <Sarkie> odd
[04:03] <Sarkie> just did grep
[04:03] <Sarkie> its changed
[04:04] <Sarkie> isnt that saying its showing itself?
[04:04] <Sarkie> ps aux | grep adept
[04:04] <Sarkie> everytime i run it the pid changes
[04:05] <kkathman> Sarkie: ohh
[04:05] <kkathman> if the process is 'grep adept'  then its just showing your grep command :)   I see
[04:06] <kkathman> I misread up above
[04:06] <kkathman> I apologize
[04:07] <Sarkie> its ok, i thought so, but i use Sun Unix since its old, mite be updated
[04:08] <kkathman> Sarkie: usually, adept returns without running only if the sources.list doesnt exist (which is not true) or its currently running...which doesnt seem to be the case.
[04:08] <kkathman> Sarkie:  so, we have something very unusual I think
[04:08] <Sarkie> rather
[04:08] <kkathman> are you running adept, or adept updater?
[04:08] <Sarkie> adept
[04:08] <kkathman> hmmm
[04:09] <Sarkie> can i run it from konsole then it update some stuff
[04:09] <kkathman> you can try, and you might get some trace, yes
[04:09] <kkathman> sudo adept should do it
[04:10] <Sarkie> that worked :S
[04:10] <kkathman> ahh good....could have been a lock that needed to get reset
[04:10] <Sarkie> i just need all my plugins, kate, eclipse,
[04:10] <Sarkie> whats kde version of gedit?
[04:11] <kkathman> gedit isnt a kde program
[04:11] <kkathman> its gnome
[04:11] <kkathman> ohh wait
[04:11] <kkathman> hehe its kate
[04:11] <Sarkie> really
[04:11] <Sarkie> pff
[04:11] <Sarkie> kates a bit over the top some times
[04:12] <Sarkie> so do like to read what you like to dont you :P
[04:12] <kkathman> kwrite is ok
[04:12] <kkathman> but kate is nice..and full featured
[04:12] <kkathman> its more than gedit, yes
[04:12] <Sarkie> yeah i like it :P
[04:12] <kkathman> but if you have gnome and kubuntu, you can use gedit with no probs
[04:13] <kkathman> I do
[04:13] <visik7> anybody know where is the setting of Konsole to not to close it when bash ended ?
[04:18] <Sarkie> well thanx alot im offski
[04:20] <cello_rasp> can anyone tell me, does komba allow the user to mount a samba share to the filesystem?
[04:24] <DizzyDiz> Hello everyone
[04:24] <DizzyDiz> I got a question
[04:24] <DizzyDiz> I installed the gxine plugin for firefox and nowI can't seem to get rid of it
[04:24] <DizzyDiz> I've deleted all symbolic links from my plugins folder
[04:25] <fit4lfe> what is the easiest way to upgrade to firefox 1.5 ?
[04:25] <DizzyDiz> I re-installed mplayer links
[04:25] <DizzyDiz> And it still tries to load up when I open an mp3 file over with firefox
[04:26] <DizzyDiz> If I uninstall it I can't get any of my other plugins to work (totem-xine, mplayer, kaffine, whatever.
[04:27] <DizzyDiz> Can somebody help me?
[04:27] <visik7> how can see h264 ?
[04:28] <DizzyDiz> Insterestingly enough, I tried getting rid of my profile and starting with a new profile and the new profile doesn't see any plugins.
[04:28] <DizzyDiz> Not even gxine
[04:28] <DizzyDiz> But I bet if I restore my old profile gxine will be the default media handler
[04:28] <DizzyDiz> What gives?
[04:29] <andrzej> somebody have a repo with thunderbird 1.5?
[04:29] <DizzyDiz> Do I have to re-install Firefox?
[04:29] <DizzyDiz> If so is there a deb of deerpark somewhere that I can grab?
[04:37] <DizzyDiz> Anybody else have a prblem getting rid of the gxine plugin?
[04:39] <Tm_T> nah
[04:39] <Tm_T> sudo apt-get remove gxine helps, I think
[04:39] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T :)
[04:40] <Tm_T> hullo
[04:52] <mcscruff> is there a command to see the temperature of my pc?
[04:57] <DizzyDiz> Sorry TM_T I just saw that... I already tried removing gxine
[04:58] <kkathman> mcscruf yes
[04:59] <kkathman> mcscruff cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/temperature
[05:05] <mcscruff> kkathman, i ended up just installing a system tray thing that tells me :(
[05:29] <BuZzY> how good is postnuke?
[05:38] <DizzyDiz> Ok I just reinstalled firefox deer park and at first the gxine plugin stopped loading...
[05:38] <DizzyDiz> Then when I restored my profile folder the problem came back
[05:39] <DizzyDiz> Apparently gxine sets something under your profile folder to register itself as the default media handler and I can't figure out what it is.
[05:40] <DizzyDiz> What's the easiest way to search all files in a directory heirarchy for the occurrences of the text gxine?
[05:40] <DizzyDiz> I'm not good enough at the command line to hack up a command.
[05:46] <DizzyDiz> I FOUND IT!!!
[05:47] <DizzyDiz> That sneaky gxine app snuck a symbolic link into my ~/.mozilla/plugins folder!
[05:47] <DizzyDiz> I'll never touch that again.
[05:47] <DizzyDiz> Thanx everyone for your help
[05:50] <yellowdart> DIzzyDiz, you can also change the actual protocol handler in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/prefs.js ...check this out (sure it's not for ubuntu, but it still works) http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Firefox_Settings
[05:54] <yellowdart> I'm having a problem with Kmail, trying to use IMAP but my filters wont work...can anybody help?
[06:12] <eldnar> Is there a way to turn off the messages when people enter/leave the room?
[06:12] <eldnar> in irc?  I'm using GAIM
[06:14] <ztonzy> hey :)
[06:17] <ztonzy> anyone know and reason why the built in webcam driver(Spca5xx) in Kubuntu (breezy) always freezy entire system? and how can I remove the drivers or deselect them in installstage and then to install the latest and original one
[06:21] <^archer^> ciao, scusate l'intrusione ma sto cercando di imparare la chat
[06:23] <dandielionous> hello
[06:23] <dandielionous> Do any of you know what "~" means before a file?
[06:23] <ztonzy> ^archer^, sorry ?
[06:23] <neoncode> Hey I have 2 HD's in my computer one has linux on it but I want to reformat the other. What apps are there to reformat this other drive, prefrably grapical.
[06:23] <ztonzy> I guess this is a chat with english language :)
[06:24] <ztonzy> no one has any answer on cam driver ?
[06:24] <dandielionous> As far as I know ztonzy .
[06:24] <ztonzy> dandielionous, :)
[06:24] <dandielionous> I'm sorry I don't know about the cam driver.  But I believe the chat is in English.
[06:24] <dandielionous> :)
[06:25] <ztonzy> dandielionous, ah...you missed my question, Spca5xx is the driver, built in, in Breezy, ever since Breezy came it freezes system when I try to use it
[06:25] <^archer^> come si fa registarrsi?
[06:25] <ztonzy> dandielionous, not when seperate installed how ever
[06:25] <ztonzy> ^archer^, try english :)
[06:26] <dandielionous> That's odd.
[06:26] <dandielionous> Yes I just came in ztonzy .
[06:26] <tech9iner> moin mates.. ;] 
[06:26] <dandielionous> I was looking for information about editing the font in gaim.
[06:26] <ztonzy> dandielionous, yes, it works with my creative nx pro webcam actually...the driver from its site
[06:26] <ztonzy> tech9iner, hi
[06:26] <dandielionous> It keeps telling me that there is a file that starts with ~.
[06:26] <dandielionous> I think there are some invisible files.
[06:27] <ztonzy> http://mxhaard.free.fr/index.html <--- the source
[06:27] <dandielionous> I can find the files if I know specifically where they are.
[06:27] <dandielionous> In my terminal window.
[06:27] <dandielionous> But I"m not finding the file that I'm looking for to edit.
[06:27] <dandielionous> Because it seems those files are invisible.
[06:27] <ztonzy> dandielionous, tried that too...it is difficult to change such settings in gaim :-\
[06:27] <tech9iner> did i asked yet.. [aye ztonzy ;] ] .. is there http/ftp install sources available for kubuntu please?.. got old toughbook with unstable dvd/cd drive too tweaky for iso install media.. thanks
[06:28] <zix> hi all
[06:28] <DjDarkman> hy ,i need a program for mounting all types of cd images ,please recomend me some
[06:28] <dandielionous> I was able to edit the font from vim.
[06:28] <zix> how to switch back to ubuntu from kubuntu?
[06:28] <DjDarkman> zix: sudo apt-get install kde
[06:28] <ztonzy> tech9iner, sorry I dont get what you want to say
[06:28] <DjDarkman> oups
[06:28] <dandielionous> But I'm not finding the program that has the font settings for anything other than what I can do from gaim itself.
[06:28] <tech9iner> ztonzy: just hi to you is all.. question for all ;] ] 
[06:28] <ztonzy> tech9iner, ah
[06:29] <ztonzy> :)
[06:29] <DjDarkman> i need a program for mounting all types of cd images ,please recomend me some
[06:29] <tech9iner> needing alternate way to install kubuntu iso via network please
[06:29] <ztonzy> tech9iner,is this what you mean ;) ?  http://www.kubuntu.org/download.php
[06:30] <dandielionous> I'm wondering if there is some way to see the files that start with ~.
[06:30] <dandielionous> So I could edit that program for gaim.
[06:31] <zix> how to switch back to ubuntu from kubuntu?
[06:31] <tech9iner> ztonzy: mate.. needing http or ftp install or network install process.. ive already downloaded the iso mate.. thanks for feedback though ;] 
[06:31] <dandielionous> So I could find that program in my terminal window.
[06:31] <ztonzy> dandielionous, tried ' locate ~* '  ??
[06:31] <dandielionous> kewl ty ztonzy.
[06:32] <ztonzy> dandielionous, might be good too to do: ' sudo updatedb '   first
[06:32] <ztonzy> also
[06:32] <dandielionous> nothing with the locate command.
[06:33] <skript> xdpyinfo says my 1024x768 res is at 72x72 dpi... is that ok ? shouldn't it be something like 75x75 or 96x96 ?
[06:33] <zix> how to switch back to ubuntu from kubuntu?
[06:33] <ztonzy> dandielionous, do ' sudo updatedb ' so it updates the locate database
[06:33] <yellowdart> tech9iner, when you are installing via CD/DVD does it fail half-way through?? i had a similar problem installing on an Inspiron 8000. had to use 5.04 media and dist-upgrade
[06:33] <DjDarkman> zix: did you originaly installed ubuntu?
[06:33] <ztonzy> zix, depends how you mean, different wm or system ?
[06:33] <dandielionous> says I can't do that ztonzy .
[06:33] <zix> DjDarkman: yup.
[06:33] <ztonzy> dandielionous, weird
[06:33] <dandielionous> updateb command not found.
[06:34] <ztonzy> dandielionous, not sudo either ?
[06:34] <DjDarkman> zix: than you should select gnome in the login
[06:34] <dandielionous> in sudo
[06:34] <ztonzy> dandielionous, db  not b
[06:34] <zix> kde messes gnome all up
[06:34] <dandielionous> okay
[06:34] <yellowdart> tech9iner: also, i had to remove the cd from sources.list
[06:34] <tech9iner> yellowdart: ur not telling me what i want to hear chum!! lol.. yes bout halfway thru starts failing install file access.. an i had already installed 504 and upgraded to kubuntu.. couple of bug implied clean install
[06:34] <DjDarkman> zix: then remove it
[06:34] <zix> DjDarkman: i'm asking how.
[06:35] <dandielionous> Just gives me my command line back now.
[06:35] <DjDarkman> zix: sudo apt-get remove kde
[06:35] <DjDarkman> or from synaptic
[06:35] <zix> that's not the whole package
[06:35] <ztonzy> dandielionous, okey, blank ?
[06:35] <zix> i need whole kubuntu gone
[06:35] <zix> but that's a metapackage..
[06:35] <zix> >.<
[06:35] <dandielionous> My command prompt after I typed sudo updatedb ztonzy .
[06:35] <ztonzy> dandielionous, you did "sudo updatedb"
[06:35] <ztonzy> ok
[06:35] <dandielionous> Yes just blank.
[06:35] <dandielionous> yes.
[06:35] <dandielionous> Then I tried locate again.
[06:35] <dandielionous> Just gives my back my prompt.
[06:35] <ztonzy> dandielionous, then do:  ' locate ~* '
[06:35] <bobesponja> i don't know if it's too late for drapper but please consider using showimg instead of gwenview, it's faster and has better features seehttp://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/
[06:36] <tech9iner> oh well.. gotta run now anyhoo.. tanx for 'bean' here me new kMates ;] ] 
[06:36] <bobesponja> http://www.jalix.org/projects/showimg/
[06:36] <dandielionous> Do I need the single quotes?
[06:36] <ztonzy> dandielionous, sorry, I am in XP :P
[06:36] <dandielionous> ggggrrrrr
[06:36] <dandielionous> lol
[06:36] <ztonzy> dandielionous, no, they are just showing what to type in terminal
[06:36] <dandielionous> Sorry ztonzy I'm in kubuntu.
[06:36] <DjDarkman> i need a program for mounting all types of cd images ,please recomend me some
[06:37] <ztonzy> dandielionous, well, I am in the one in the wrong OS !
[06:37] <ztonzy> heeh
[06:37] <dandielionous> I thought locate in windows located your cursor.
[06:37] <zix> argh
[06:37] <zix> why is everybody ignoring me?
[06:37] <dandielionous> That's okay ztonzy .
[06:37] <dandielionous> zix hello
[06:37] <dandielionous> lol
[06:37] <zix> hi
[06:37] <zix> :o
[06:37] <yellowdart> zix: i'm guessing that if you use synaptic in gnome then you can select "remove-completely"
[06:37] <ztonzy> dandielionous, 'locate'  is a command finding files in a linux terminal
[06:38] <zix> yellowdart: i can't go on GNOME bcuz that's messed up even with GDM
[06:38] <dandielionous> Okay well I notice sometimes people give me commands that don't necessarily work on my computer ztonzy .
[06:38] <zix> the installation of kubuntu changes some things
[06:38] <ztonzy> dandielionous, it SHOULD work :)
[06:38] <zix> and i'd like to have those back
[06:38] <zix> :S
[06:38] <dandielionous> I don't know if that has to do with updates or versions of kubuntu or what.
[06:38] <kkathman> what commands?
[06:39] <aron> hi ... i need some help with rosegarden
[06:39] <yellowdart> zix: you can't change the session to gnome in KDM?
[06:39] <zix> yellowdart: yes i can
[06:39] <zix> but it messes GNOME all over just like in GDM
[06:39] <kkathman> dandielionous:  which commands might you be talking about?
[06:39] <zix> it uses KDE skins, uses the kde clock applet, stuff like that
[06:39] <ztonzy> dandielionous, I would like to know myself why the webcam driver in Breezy doesnt work! messes up my system, systemfreeze...how to remove it completly or deselect at install-stage
[06:39] <dandielionous> locate works when I type in gaim ztonzy same as find does.
[06:39] <aron>  hi ... i need some help with rosegarden
[06:39] <dandielionous> I'm trying to find the gaim files that start with ~.
[06:39] <ztonzy> then I can go back into Kubuntu and test new kopete
[06:40] <ztonzy> dandielionous, ok
[06:40] <yellowdart> zix: you should be able to kill those processes in the system monitor
[06:40] <aron>  hi ... i need some help with rosegarden
[06:40] <zix> ok
[06:40] <ztonzy> dandielionous, in user folders ?
[06:40] <kkathman> dandielionous: do a little research on locate and find    man  locate   and    man find    you'll find there is a significant difference
[06:40] <ztonzy> dandielionous, or lib ?
[06:40] <slow-motion> hallo
[06:40] <aron> anyone ???
[06:40] <dandielionous> ty for the advice kkathman  I'm just getting used to those commands.
[06:41] <dandielionous> I'm getting braver over here.
[06:41] <dandielionous> lol
[06:41] <dandielionous> I'm trying to edit the font for gaim.
[06:41] <nlindblad> hello kkathman
[06:41] <aron> does anyone here know anything about rosegarden ???
[06:41] <kkathman> dandielionous: not a problem..in general commands should work on all linux versions, but the results may differ, of course :)
[06:41] <DjDarkman> i need a program for mounting all types of cd images ,please recomend me some
[06:41] <kkathman> hi nlindblad
[06:42] <dandielionous> I can't find ~/.gtkrc-2.0 this file.
[06:42] <iantec> which audio player can stream from the net?
[06:42] <dandielionous> I can find some ~ files.
[06:42] <aron> then im gone again ... thanx for the help guys
[06:42] <dandielionous> But they are invisible and I have to know almost exactly where they are in order to find them.
[06:42] <kkathman> uhm  ~  refers to your home directory...its not part of the filename :)
[06:43] <dandielionous> I have to be in the correct directory.
[06:43] <Tm_T> iantec: can play stream or broadcast stream?
[06:43] <ztonzy> nlindblad, your name sounds swedish :)
[06:43] <ztonzy> nlindblad, hi btw ... or "hej" :)
[06:43] <dandielionous> When I was in my home directory and typed cd ~ I change to an invisible gaim directory.
[06:44] <dandielionous> Sorry not giving the complete command.
[06:44] <ztonzy> dandielionous, all directorys which starts with .folder   is invisible
[06:44] <ztonzy> I ment dot
[06:44] <kkathman> dandielionous: what is this file supposed to do?
[06:44] <dandielionous> How do I see those directories?
[06:44] <dandielionous> It controls the font for gaim.
[06:44] <kkathman> dandielionous:  gaim files are in your home directory under .gaim
[06:44] <ztonzy> dandielionous, do:  ls .*  in homedirectory
[06:44] <dandielionous> Not what I can set in preferences.
[06:44] <nlindblad> ztonzy: yepp, I'm Swedish
[06:45] <ztonzy> nlindblad, nice, I am too
[06:45] <kkathman> dandielionous: I have no such file in my system, and I use gaim
[06:45] <nlindblad> ztonzy: roligt
[06:45] <kkathman> dandielionous: are you sure you have the correct name of the file?
[06:45] <dandielionous> dandielionous@dandielionous:~$
[06:45] <ztonzy> nlindblad, jo :)  ...but your connection looks otherwhise...and mine is cloaked
[06:46] <Tm_T> nlindblad: swedish... hyrrrr
[06:46] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:46] <dandielionous> Okay that sounds about right that they were under ~/.
[06:46] <Tm_T> nlindblad: hur mr du?
[06:46] <iantec> hmmm. sorry but im new to linux.... the way winamp can play from internet radio
[06:46] <ztonzy> Tm_T, mr*
[06:46] <Tm_T> ztonzy: aye, typo
[06:47] <Tm_T> fingers hurts, so can'
[06:47] <Tm_T> t type well
[06:47] <ztonzy> okej
[06:47] <kkathman> dandielionous: thats what I indicated earlier :)
[06:47] <Tm_T> ...as you can see
[06:47] <Tm_T> too much work
[06:47] <dandielionous> I got this ~/.gtkrc-2.0 from here http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q18
[06:48] <dandielionous> Well you are making things clearer kkathman.
[06:48] <dandielionous> But I still can't find that file to edit it.
[06:48] <eldnar> Anyone here use GAIM for Kbuntu?
[06:48] <nlindblad> Tm_T: bara bra, sjlv?
[06:48] <dandielionous> And find or locate does not seem to find that file.
[06:48] <kkathman> dandielionous: there is no such file as you indicated
[06:48] <kkathman> eldnar: yes I do
[06:48] <dandielionous> Okay I guess I can stop driving myself crazy then.
[06:49] <dandielionous> ty kkathman .
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: bra tack
[06:49] <dandielionous> So do you know which file controls the font for gaim?
[06:49] <Tm_T> nlindblad: btw I'm finnish and that was almost all I can speak swedish :p
[06:49] <kkathman> i wont say that the file doesnt exist... but the file doesnt exist on my system at least
[06:50] <Tm_T> ok, I'm off ->
[06:50] <kkathman> eldnar: what do you need regarding GAIM on Kubuntu?
[06:50] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[06:51] <Tm_T> I was going away ->
[06:51] <iantec> what are you guys using to listen to internet radio?
[06:51] <ztonzy> Tm_T, kde 3.5 ?
[06:52] <dandielionous> Okay well thanks for the help.
[06:52] <dandielionous> I think I have a little bit to go on.
[06:54] <ztonzy> brb
[07:00] <e_machinist> When I install kubuntu-desktop metapackage is there any easy way to remove all the gnome stuff afterwords?
[07:00] <JohnFlux> e_machinist: unless you are short on diskspace, don't bother
[07:01] <JohnFlux> e_machinist: and the answer is there is no easy way that I know of
[07:01] <JakubS> remove gtk
[07:01] <JohnFlux> hah, yeah that would do it
[07:01] <e_machinist> JakubS: haha, yah, that would work. Didn't think of that.
[07:01] <JohnFlux> JakubS: hey JakubS
[07:02] <JakubS> hello
[07:02] <melonipoika> hi guys, can anyone help me with my wireless? i'm getting crazy, it is dissconfiguring automaticly!
[07:02] <JohnFlux> JakubS: for zeroconf:/     is it possible to display an html page if there's no files?
[07:02] <melonipoika> i use a wireless card to get access to the internet trough another computer, that is connected to the adsl modem
[07:02] <JohnFlux> JakubS: people get confused when they do zeroconf:/  or remote:/   and see nothing at all
[07:02] <e_machinist> So the gnome "system" (if you will) stuff won't even load if I use the KDM? (I just want to make sure I'm not using more resources than necessary is all)
[07:02] <JohnFlux> JakubS: I hate blank screens myself ;)
[07:03] <JohnFlux> JakubS: a message (not a popup)  saying "No machines with zeroconf support were detected"
[07:03] <JohnFlux> JakubS: or whatever
[07:04] <JakubS> i wonder, kioslave would get listDir() request and then?
[07:04] <JakubS> ioslave only responds to requests made by app, it cannot just push some data by itself
[07:06] <JohnFlux> JakubS: for kde4, I'm thinking that the konqueror that displays icons etc  should be changed so if there's no files then it calls another function to get an (optional) html page which it then renders
[07:09] <wolki> hi!
[07:10] <wolki> i'm playing a bit with kde for the first time in ages... is there a way to have it stop opening everything in the same konqueror window?
[07:10] <wolki> Using kde3.5, btw
[07:12] <wolki> and how can I make it show a label for the k menu? i've seen on screenshots that it's possible, and have found some instructions on kicker hacks, but I don't really get them ^^;;
[07:28] <Teknokid> hello all!
[07:29] <e_machinist> Holla Teknokid
[07:29] <Teknokid> long time listener, first time caller...
[07:29] <ninnghizidha> asd
[07:30] <Teknokid> playing with kubuntu, so far so good, I'm very very new.....
[07:30] <RickKnight> Can anyone here help with ipw2200?
[07:30] <e_machinist> good to hear.
[07:30] <Teknokid> any tips as to where I canresearch how to get my dlink dwl-g650 card to work?
[07:31] <e_machinist> heh.
[07:36] <tech9iner> so mates.. am i wasting time here please.. kubuntu's burned iso install disc seems stuck bout 8 mins now on 75% 'Installing the kernel - retrieving and installing kubuntu-artwork-usplash...' ?.. no hdd lite activity confirmation.. cddrive lite no activity?.. did my 4th!!! attempt at kubuntu isntallation with fresh, better quality cdrw [3rd burn attempt! ;[]  media.. likewise fail please?
[07:39] <tech9iner> k .. diff tact then mates.. please o course ;] .. what is the 'base install' please?.. does it include gui desktop?.. or command line operations only?.. thinking maybe base install to just getit on board FINally!.. then upgrade via synaptic or aptget to full kubuntu?
[07:41] <wolki> tech9iner: what base install do you mean? the server install?
[07:41] <tech9iner> aye wolki
[07:41] <tech9iner> waaay too many hours to install new distro for sure ;[
[07:42] <wolki> that one is command line only. but it's not that hard to install a graphical desktop from there
[07:42] <wolki> tech9iner: sounds more like a cd that's broken
[07:42] <tech9iner> coolness.. prolly no synaptic for this gui-dependent foo.. but apt-get prolly on basic?
[07:42] <wolki> never installed kubuntu itself (only ubuntu, just here for some questions really)
[07:42] <wolki> yes
[07:43] <wolki> sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[07:43] <wolki> for kde, ubuntu-desktop for gnome
[07:44] <tech9iner> yea wolki .. sadly ive tried 3 diff iso burns.. varified checksums.. blah blah.. but every attempt.. SANS me 1st ubuntu 5.0.4 then aptget upgrade to buggy kubuntu.. was me only completion route of kubuntu experience thusfar chum.. raises ?'s bout k sadly..
[07:44] <wolki> might be a good idea to "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" first and remove the cd so it'll get everything from the repos
[07:45] <wolki> tech9iner: tried lower speeds? heard that can cause problems sometimes... never did for me, though
[07:45] <tech9iner> thanks for feedback wolki ;] .. appreciated muchly guv.. great pt on removing cd source.. tanx that ;] 
[07:46] <wolki> tech9iner: you're welcome :)
[07:48] <JohnFlux> When I press the multimedia keys on my laptop, they do nothing.  xev doesn't see them, dmesg doesn't see them, nothing sees them
[07:53] <yellowdart> tech9iner: like i said, my install on my inspiron 8000 was buggy so i had to do 5.04 and remove the cdrom from /apt/sources.list
[07:53] <yellowdart> tech9iner: then i did a dist-upgrade
[07:53] <tech9iner> yellowdart: is that wy my k was buggy after i aptget upgraded to it from u 5.0.4 install?.. thanks btw 4 input..
[07:54] <yellowdart> tech9iner: did you remove the cdrom from your sources.list? I found that was the main problem i was running into
[07:55] <tech9iner> jhchrist!.. cant even seem to complete base install.. damn.. pitiful indeed
[07:55] <kenzu> HI
[07:55] <kkathman> tech9iner:  what seems to be the issue on install
[07:55] <tech9iner> no i didnt know bout this advisory till today yellowdart sadly..
[07:56] <JakubS> JohnFlux: maybe you need some acpi module
[07:56] <kenzu> hi
[07:56] <tech9iner> kkathman: cant seem to complete direct from iso burned cd thusfar guv?.. never completes here.. even base cli only install is locked up as i type this.. ;[[[
[07:56] <yellowdart> tech9iner: i didnt find it anywhere either...it was just a "shot-in-the-dark" that I tried and now my lappy works great
[07:56] <kkathman> hmm sounds possibly like a bad disk maybe?  I dunno... I've installed it 4 times with no insance
[07:57] <kkathman> or error
[07:57] <tech9iner> one would think yellowdart that since you and 2 other chaps have advised same.. it'd be all over install tips eh?..
[07:58] <tech9iner> kkathman: sadly.. ive burned it 3x to 3 diff brands/quality cdrw's chum.. all to failure.. and MORE! grey hair ;] ] 
[07:59] <kkathman> tech9iner: hmm... do you get errors on install, or what?  Where does it stop?
[08:01] <tech9iner> diff steps.. just now im looking over at base [server]  install [and 5th overall! ;[]  attempt.. screen flashing ea second but stuck on line 'kernel_thread_helper_0x5/0xb' and cd lite is nonactive.. hdd lite likewise.. ;[[
[08:02] <kkathman> tech9iner:  Is this ubuntu or kubuntu?   Have you tried a LiveCD ?
[08:02] <AoP> My HDD light doesnt work at all on linux
[08:03] <tech9iner> HENCE wy i was asking over an over here and #u for http/ftp install sources.. this old old cf-71 toughbook has unstable dvd/cdrom drive.. but aparently of all main distros.. u/k dont offer http / ftp install sources/mirrors SADly..
[08:04] <tech9iner> livecd kkathman ?.. yes.. booted up fine.. slow as hell on this old Pll 366 / 128ram of course.. but booted n ran sluggishly but ran stable..
[08:05] <kkathman> tech9iner: I would do tech9iner  Ok  good to know that.   While the sources.list is critical after install, its not particularly critical DURING the install and that CDROM reference is absolutely mandatory during install
[08:05] <wolki> is there a way to make konqueror stop oening everything in the same window?
[08:05] <kkathman> oops hehe hang over from another line
[08:06] <nalioth> wolki: i'm sure there is a ctrl- or shift- click combination
[08:06] <kkathman> what you might try...if possible, is to use your install disk on another machine...to verify the disk..though after 3 tries I'd thing you'd get one right :)
[08:06] <damnhil> Does anyone have KDE logout problems such as popping up a lot of dialogs saying program crashed?
[08:06] <kkathman> tech9iner:  or try something other than a server install
[08:07] <wolki> nalioth: maybe... i want it to default to new window for everything, though... except maybe middle-click on web pages, but i could just use firefox for that
[08:07] <wolki> thanks anyway
[08:09] <hawking> I need help with keyboard layout
[08:09] <hawking> no matter what I tried
[08:09] <hawking> I can't change it to tr
[08:09] <eldnar> Can I use .rpm's on Kubuntu?
[08:09] <hawking> setxkbmap gives ---> Error loading keyboard description
[08:09] <hawking> anyone can help?
[08:10] <kavit> eldnar: try alien
[08:10] <damnhil> hawking: what's tr in keyboard layout?
[08:10] <eldnar> I'm sorry... I'm really new... What is alien?
[08:10] <hawking> damnhil : turkish
[08:11] <nalioth> eldnar: try finding source code first (before using non kubuntu packages)
[08:11] <kavit> eldnar: it is an application that will let you use .rpms on ubuntu
[08:11] <eldnar> Basically I'm trying to download this: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=137778&package_id=151258&release_id=344551
[08:11] <mac__> is there any way to force "adept" to remember what I had "State filter" set to last time?  I'd like to make it a default that it only shows "Upgradeable"... currently by default it shows ALL packages, which causes unnecessary delays...
[08:11] <eldnar> and want to know which I should use
[08:12] <nalioth> eldnar: can you compile software?
[08:13] <eldnar> I've never done it before
[08:13] <nalioth> eldnar: if you have patience, i can try to create an ubuntu deb for it
[08:14] <eldnar> Sure that would be nice... when you say patience what should I expect?
[08:14] <nalioth> eldnar: join #kubuntu-offtopic please
[08:15] <eldnar> join #kubuntu-offtopic
[08:15] <eldnar> sorry
[08:18] <m_tadeu> hi....once again i'm unable to ping 127.0.0.1....any ideas?
[08:18] <hawking> someone tell me a cool ftp client for kde
[08:18] <arrinmurr> hawking: konqueror? ;)
[08:19] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: check /etc/hosts
[08:19] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: er wait
[08:19] <hawking> arrinmurr : I knew someone would tell that
[08:19] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: do "ifconfig lo"  does it exist?
[08:19] <arrinmurr> hawking: heh, well, kasablanca? kbear?
[08:20] <hawking> arrinmur : :) konqueror is could enough
[08:20] <m_tadeu> JohnFlux: yep...what am I looking for?
[08:20] <hawking> arrinmur : lol that was good
[08:20] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: hmm. strange I have the same thing
[08:20] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: stupid kubuntu doesn't set up loopback correctly
[08:20] <tech9iner> other than server kkathman ?.. gui default or server only installs off cd im aware mate?
[08:20] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: temporary solution:  do ifconfig lo 127.0.0.
[08:20] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: temporary solution:  do ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
[08:21] <m_tadeu> JohnFlux: this is happening once a day...i notice this 'cos I have my pc as a web server and sudenly i lose access to it from my work
[08:21] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: I think it's to do with how they've tried tosetup ip6
[08:22] <m_tadeu> JohnFlux: I think there's a way to desable ipv6...do you know how?
[08:23] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: no sorry
[08:23] <rjm101> Hello to all, I need some help on getting my web cam to work, does anyone know about spca5xx
[08:23] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: doing that ifconfig thing should fix it until next reboot
[08:23] <melonipoika> hi guys, could anyone check my /etc/network/interfaces to tell me what is wrong? i can't configure the wireless. this is the link to it: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7019
[08:23] <JohnFlux> rjm101: google ? :)
[08:23] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: get it working manually without using interfaces first perhaps
[08:24] <rjm101> I did everything that google has to offer, and still does not work
[08:24] <m_tadeu> JohnFlux: didn't work for me...still can't ping 127.0.0.1
[08:24] <melonipoika> JohnFlux, could you please tell me how to do it?
[08:25] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: stupid question, but did you switch it on hardware wise
[08:25] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: the switch on your laptop
[08:25] <JohnFlux> melonipoika: look on the internet for how sorry.
[08:25] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: ifconfig lo up
[08:26] <melonipoika> yes, it is on, thanks in any case
[08:26] <JohnFlux> m_tadeu: then run ifconfig    and check its ip is 127.0.0.1  and mask is 255.0.0.0
[08:26] <melonipoika> JohnFlux, what do you mean with configure it manually?
[08:27] <m_tadeu> JohnFlux: Thanks a lot...
[08:38] <ztonzy> how to get USB devices to mount automatically ?
[08:41] <nalioth> ztonzy: they should mount automatically
[08:42] <trance> create an entry in fstab file...
[08:43] <ztonzy> nalioth: it doesnt
[08:44] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there, do you suggest me something to decode files back from mp3 to wav in linux?
[08:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there, do you suggest me something to decode files back from mp3 to wav in linux?
[08:46] <trance> /dev//sda1  /mnt/directoy vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0
[08:46] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there, do you suggest me something to decode files back from mp3 to wav in linux?
[08:47] <trance> try putting this line in /etc/fstab and c if it worKs
[08:47] <trance> /dev/sda1 /mnt/flash auto noauto,user 0 0
[08:47] <trance> this might work better though
[08:48] <B[u] ZzY> !mysql
[08:48] <ubotu> hmm... lamp is Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP, one of the standard internet server installations. Installing LAMP in Ubuntu is fairly straightforward. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ApacheMySQLPHP
[08:50] <hawking> when I do apt-get dist-upgrade to get kde 3.5 will there be a problem if I have other lines in my sources.list file? I mean when I do that it also tries to get some linux-images.. do i have to get them too for kde 3.5 or shall i just remove that lines from sources.list ?
[08:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi there, do you suggest me something to decode files back from mp3 to wav in linux?
[08:57] <tech9iner> 8th time a charm twould seem here!! woohoo.. 77% done with k install as i type.. surprised at choosing server only isntall to see ascii graphic / menus tho..
[08:57] <tech9iner> alas.. long as it works i say..
[08:59] <ftg2> !repos
[08:59] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[09:00] <_DOddo> hi i have a proplenm with the kde menu! i can't seem to alter the content!
[09:00] <_DOddo> I think i'ts a owner issue or something like that
[09:01] <DizzyDiz> hello
[09:02] <yellowdart> DizzyDiz: hello
[09:02] <DizzyDiz> i have a problem getting amarok to play as loud as XMMS
[09:02] <DizzyDiz> anybody else have that same problem?
[09:03] <ftg2> DizzyDiz: try going into the mixer and playing with the pcm slider.. i am pretty sure xmms uses that for volume control
[09:03] <ftg2> DizzyDiz: as opposed to Master
[09:04] <DizzyDiz> well that's the thing, if I config XMMS to use the software volume control it's still louder than Amarok.
[09:04] <DizzyDiz> the thing is my Amarok just doesn't play as loud as I'd like it to.
[09:04] <DizzyDiz> it's not a big problem though
[09:04] <mase> DizzyDiz, then config alsamixer
[09:05] <mase> or kdevolume
[09:05] <DizzyDiz> more important problem I'm having, and I should've mentioned this first, is kded is reported as using upwards of 80% of the CPU.
[09:06] <DizzyDiz> It just started happening and I don't know why.
[09:08] <tech9iner> k mates.. finished FINally k server install.. sitting at prompt.. was following advise here and ''' "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" first and remove the cd ''' but not seeing any clear cd drive ref in said file?
[09:08] <DizzyDiz> i was messing around all morning long trying to get my multimedia apps tune right, (having trouble with MPlayer and GXine plugins for firefox) and I ended up re-installing Firefox and the MPlayer plugin.
[09:09] <tech9iner> clues appreciated mateyzz.. ;] 
[09:09] <DizzyDiz> after that I rebooted and eversince then my CPU has been spiking at 99%
[09:09] <nlindblad> hello everyone
[09:09] <kkathman> tech9iner:  should be a line in sources.list that clearly has cd-rom in it...usually the top line in fact
[09:09] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: what does top tell you?
[09:09] <kkathman> but that might not be there for the server install
[09:09] <DizzyDiz> hold on...
[09:10] <tech9iner> ROFLMFAO.. /me looks in mirrored closet doors and notes his skin's 'dumkopf' color.. arg..
[09:10] <Nemezis> when I watch DVD with Kaffeine on Kubuntu 5.10, using Xine's engine (driver xv) the dvd is too slow.
[09:10] <Nemezis> any idea?
[09:10] <Nemezis> on Windows it works great
[09:10] <tech9iner> me ADD-addled bawrain skipped top line as header/titles..
[09:11] <DizzyDiz> yeah top says kded is at 80%
[09:11] <nlindblad> okey
[09:12] <tech9iner> tanx all.. so commented out top cd ref line.. safe to otherwise uncomm offered 'universe' blah blah repos / sources mates please?
[09:12] <JohnFlux> Nemezis: type xvinfo   and check you do have xv
[09:12] <DizzyDiz> CPU 93.1% user
[09:12] <tech9iner> and furthermore.. any great and trusted sources to add other than in default list ?
[09:12] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: hang on
[09:12] <JohnFlux> Nemezis: if it says lots of stuff then you have.  if you don't it will just says so
[09:12] <DizzyDiz> I had this same problem in MEpis which is why I switched to Kubuntu
[09:13] <Nemezis> JohnFlux: I do have it
[09:13] <JohnFlux> Nemezis: what video card?
[09:13] <Nemezis> JohnFlux: nv
[09:14] <DizzyDiz> I thought it had something to do with either the multimedia apps I was screwing with or the eye candy I have installed (3ddesk)
[09:14] <JohnFlux> Nemezis: do you have nvidia's drivers?
[09:14] <tech9iner> are there any kde specific sources ill need for k please?
[09:14] <DizzyDiz> I killed 3ddeskd and that didn't get rid of it.
[09:14] <JohnFlux> tech9iner: /topic
[09:14] <DizzyDiz> I closed all of my multimedia apps, Xmms and Amarok.
[09:14] <Nemezis> JohnFlux:         Driver          "nv"
[09:14] <Nemezis> yes I do
[09:14] <Nemezis> I might not have 3D support
[09:15] <tech9iner> ahhh.. mea culpa an tx JohnFlux ;] ] 
[09:15] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: what version of KDE are you using?
[09:15] <DizzyDiz> 3.5
[09:15] <ftg2> Nemezis: definitely not using the default nv driver
[09:15] <Nemezis> ok
[09:15] <Nemezis> thanks
[09:16] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: okey, according to some mailinglists this has been an issue in early 3.1 releases
[09:17] <DizzyDiz> ok
[09:17] <DizzyDiz> has anyone been able to resolve it?
[09:19] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: most threads/mails mention 'kat', the Desktop search engine
[09:19] <tech9iner> hmmm.. 'sudo apt-get kubuntu-desktop' just got me 'E: Invalid operation kubuntu-desktop' error ?
[09:20] <nlindblad> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:20] <nlindblad> you forget the install-part :D
[09:20] <kkathman> tech9iner: install
[09:20] <nlindblad> *forgot
[09:20] <kkathman> yah
[09:20] <kkathman> vg nlindblad :)
[09:20] <DizzyDiz> hmm...
[09:20] <tech9iner> rofl.. was copying line provided by other here.. hehe
[09:20] <nlindblad> kkathman: hi again
[09:20] <homann> hello
[09:20] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install kde
[09:20] <nlindblad> tech9iner: a tip, never paste into the terminal
[09:20] <kkathman> seashell11: no
[09:20] <nlindblad> tech9iner: I've had many bad experiences of that
[09:20] <nlindblad> s/of/with/
[09:20] <homann> good gui to confugre X11? My screen is a bit small
[09:20] <kkathman> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-dekstop
[09:21] <tech9iner> wich is most inclusive please.. kubuntu-desktop?.. or kde please?
[09:21] <seashell11> I always do the kde, it installs more packages with it
[09:21] <tech9iner> ahh..
[09:21] <kkathman> tech9iner: do what I just put there
[09:21] <nlindblad> homann: KDE has a tool for changing resolution, but it can't change to resolutions not listed by X.org in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:21] <seashell11> at least that is what i though maybe im wrong?
[09:22] <kkathman> you are wrong seashell11
[09:22] <tech9iner> nm lol.. tx seashell11 .. wait.. what kkathman ?.. problems with more inclusive 'kde' apt install?
[09:22] <kkathman> tech9iner: please type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:22] <kkathman> if you want that
[09:22] <homann> nlindblad: And if i want to tweak more, I have to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[09:23] <nlindblad> homann: correct
[09:23] <tech9iner> maybe not more inclusive eh..
[09:23] <kkathman> homann:  you can also try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   that will walk you through your X reconfig
[09:23] <tech9iner> alllllrighty then.. seems to be rockn down the k dtop now.. tanx chaps..
[09:23] <nlindblad> homann: what kkathman said ^^
[09:23] <kkathman> tech9iner: there is no such thing as installing "kde"
[09:24] <JohnFlux> homann: add all the resolutions you require, then in kde run krandr
[09:24] <JohnFlux> homann: this will let you change between the resolutions easily
[09:24] <kkathman> if you upgrade to KDE 3.5, then that takes a different repository
[09:24] <tech9iner> so seashell11 's been taking those voices in said shells bit too seriously again eh kkathman wink wink lol
[09:24] <ftg2> anyone experiencing any issues using nvidia-glx in breezy? asking before I enable. it hardlocked the system when i tried it with dapper.
[09:24] <kkathman> lol
[09:25] <kkathman> howdy JohnFlux :)  How goes it today?
[09:25] <tech9iner> any D I R E warnings kMates on repos that will destablize a k install please?..
[09:25] <nalioth> tech9iner: do not use non official ubuntu repos
[09:25] <kkathman> tech9iner: best advice - stay with the standard, official repos!
[09:25] <nalioth> tech9iner: do not install non ubuntu pkgs
[09:25] <kkathman> haha
[09:26] <homann> johnFlux: krandr not found?
[09:26] <kkathman> well there ya go..heard it from 2 old timers :)
[09:26] <kkathman> tech9iner:  I figure you learned a lesson there then :)
[09:26] <tech9iner> aye that.. indeed
[09:27] <tech9iner> hmmm.. nice bandwidth on repos .. bout an hour maybe.. coolness..
[09:27] <homann> kkathmann: Hmm, I think I have nvidia GeForce 2. Wasn't there some updates for that...
[09:27] <kkathman> tech9iner: there are very very limited cases when you might need to TEMPORARILY add an outside repo, but its very very good advice to check with someone knolwedgeable first :)
[09:28] <kkathman> homann: I am not sure.  If your monitor is working...its a good thing :)
[09:29] <ftg2> imho if it comes down to adding unofficial repos, it's probably easier to just compile it from source
[09:29] <yellowdart> homann: nvidia uses a unified driver...so all nvidia cards work on the same one. so as long as you're using the current "nvidia-glx" you should be updated
[09:30] <kkathman> ftg2: many times thats very true... on occasion you HAVE to add...but thats rare
[09:30] <kkathman> ftg2 good example is the upgrade to kde3.5 for instance...you have to add a new repo for that
[09:31] <kkathman> or to get some special things from seveas :)
[09:31] <homann> yellowdart: thanks! In my old xorg.conf I used driver nv instead of driver nvidia.
[09:31] <nlindblad> homann: cheers!
[09:31] <ftg2> thats a good point; i just used it myself. i tried completing a compile of kde3.5 from konstruct last night in dapper. failed miserably due to dependency issues :\
[09:31] <B[u] ZzY> how do i serach a file by shell?
[09:31] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: locate file
[09:32] <yellowdart> homann: yeah, nv is deprecated...nvidia is way more stable anyhow
[09:32] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: if it hasn't made a database for locate you must run updatedb before
[09:32] <nalioth> ftg2: apt can build kde3.5 for you
[09:32] <tech9iner> back.. are the 'universal' repos safe mates?
[09:32] <B[u] ZzY> i m looking for a file that is in a partition
[09:32] <B[u] ZzY> mounted
[09:32] <ftg2> nalioth: i know, but i want a working source tree to fool with.. i mean, that is the whole point isn't it? ;)
[09:32] <B[u] ZzY> nlindblad: is it fast or slow?
[09:32] <seashell11> kkathman maybe look at this web page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingKDE?highlight=%28kde%29%7C%28install%2 there is such a thing as apt-get install kde
[09:32] <darkheart> B[u] ZzY: find /path/to/mount | grep filename
[09:33] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: after it's done updatedb it's very fast to perform searches
[09:33] <yellowdart> tech9iner: i use universe and multiverse without any problems...
[09:33] <B[u] ZzY> what's grep?
[09:33] <tech9iner> seashell11: btw fwiw mate.. purely teasing for brevity's sake earlier mate.. practice 'dont be Haten!!' peace for all perspectives here ;] ] ] 
[09:34] <tech9iner> tanx yellowdart
[09:34] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: grep searches for a matching string in a text
[09:34] <seashell11> lol yea im not mad, just prving a point
[09:34] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: cat somefile.txt|grep 'word'
[09:34] <tech9iner> fair nuff.. chuckles...
[09:34] <nlindblad> B[u] ZzY: that would return all lines  that have 'word' in them
[09:34] <yellowdart> B[u] ZzY: grep is a regular expression search tool...can find a string pattern in a text file
[09:34] <nalioth> ftg2: there isnt a usable source tree at kubuntu.org ?
[09:34] <darkheart> nlindblad: Why not just grep 'word' filename? =)
[09:35] <nlindblad> darkheart: I like pipes
[09:35] <darkheart> nlindblad: Good enough reason for me.
[09:35] <nlindblad> darkheart: and I always forget what argument to give it first
[09:35] <darkheart> Haha
[09:36] <nlindblad> and since I always end up doing: cat somefile.txt|grep 'something'|grep 'anotherstring'|grep 'athirdstring'|less
[09:36] <nlindblad> or similiar
[09:36] <nlindblad> darkheart: sed is nice, but it takes ages to learn
[09:36] <darkheart> nlindblad: grep 'something' file| grep 'anotherstring' | grep '3string' | less ;)
[09:36] <B[u] ZzY> how can i update locate's db???
[09:36] <B[u] ZzY> cant find it
[09:36] <B[u] ZzY> !
[09:36] <ubotu> B[u] ZzY: What?
[09:36] <B[u] ZzY> how to do
[09:36] <ftg2> nalioth: there is but i would prefer to not use apt when it comes to tweaking the source. it is far easier to create a seperate account, compile KDE via konstruct, apply it to that one account and tweak away.
[09:37] <nlindblad> darkheart: what if I wanna do it on a bzip2 compressed txt-file
[09:37] <darkheart> nlindblad: Yes, sed is quite complicated, but that's why it's so powerful as well.
[09:37] <tech9iner> heres the sources list i just found.. all well using this one over default one mates please?.. http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list
[09:37] <nlindblad> bzcat file.bz2|grep 'bba'|grep 'bbfb'|less
[09:38] <tech9iner> cool.. k comes w OOo2 already?.. niiice
[09:38] <darkheart> nlindblad: Well, if you were gonna search through a compressed file that would be different, obviously
[09:38] <`Nomad> Could anyone tell me what the initial user/password is for a fresh install of webmin from the repositories?
[09:38] <sampan> b[u] zzy  it's sudo updatedb  to update locate's db :)
[09:38] <nlindblad> darkheart: since I always pipe on grep to other output-sources I don't use the grep file 'string' variant
[09:38] <yellowdart> tech9iner: are you using 5.04 or 5.10?
[09:39] <tech9iner> 510 yell
[09:39] <tech9iner> ooops.. yellowdart
[09:39] <PeterSomnium> root and ur password I believe Nomad
[09:39] <darkheart> nlindblad: Yeah, I heard you the first time.
[09:39] <nlindblad> darkheart: I must have grep
[09:39] <yellowdart> tech9iner: then you need to change all the "hoary" to "breezy"
[09:39] <tech9iner> in http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list you mean yellowdart ?
[09:40] <yellowdart> yeah
[09:40] <kkathman> yellowdart: if he installed from an ubuntu 5.10 disk it should be right :)
[09:40] <yellowdart> but the standard ones are fine
[09:40] <nlindblad> Kubuntu/Ubuntu rocks
[09:41] <nlindblad> both the actual software and the community
[09:41] <tech9iner> specific to this http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/vesaire/sources.list was what yellowdart was helping w kkathman ;] ] 
[09:41] <yellowdart> yeah, just add "universe" and "multiverse" to the end of the "main restricted" lines
[09:41] <nlindblad> can't believe I wasted half a year on Gentoo
[09:41] <kkathman> lol nlindblad
[09:41] <yellowdart> nlindblad: gentoo
[09:41] <ftg2> lol. i wouldn't call any time spent on a linux system a waste.. tell me you learned nothing at all ;p
[09:41] <yellowdart> nlindblad: gentoo's not all that bad ;)
[09:41] <tech9iner> ftg2: great point.. ditto that one..
[09:41] <`Nomad> Peter: didn't work but I got it now, ran a command to update the password
[09:42] <nlindblad> ftg2: well, I have many hours experience of the inner workings of a Linux-system
[09:42] <nlindblad> ftg2: so it might not have been such a waste
[09:42] <nlindblad> but it was far from usable/productive
[09:42] <yellowdart> nlindblad: as long as you run distcc and a few systems it's not bad
[09:43] <nlindblad> yellowdart: you end up spending the weekend getting some feature working that Ubuntu/Kubuntu has by default
[09:43] <tech9iner> eh.. that is if you havent fried ur brain with a completely non generic distro like my very 1st one.. lycoris' Desktop/LX rofl
[09:43] <yellowdart> nlindblad: true...you do spend more time making your CFLAGS work ;)
[09:43] <nlindblad> yellowdart: also, what good is the knowledge if you don't share it with others?
[09:43] <nlindblad> yellowdart: yeah (wrote some articles on that)
[09:45] <apollo2011> When I try to compile a C++ project in KDevelop, the configure script comes back that the C PreProcessor failed the sanity check.  Anyone had this problem or now what is causing it?
[09:45] <ftg2> nlindblad: i know what you mean.. i became comfortable with things just trying to get them to work.. then ubuntu comes along and it all works out of the box ;)
[09:45] <yellowdart> nlindblad: true...i try to share what i can. and i agree about setup time...installing KDE and Gnome on the same system with gentoo usually ended up in a compile conflict
[09:46] <nlindblad> for now, I just wanna be here for the community
[09:46] <yellowdart> but when i NEED it to work out of the box...i use my mac :)
[09:47] <tech9iner> now.. me new kMates.. ;] ] .. anyone present installed any CAD/CAM/3d design apps on k please?..
[09:47] <yellowdart> tech9iner: for 3d...blender for sure
[09:48] <nlindblad> tech9iner: a good tip: kde-apps.org is a nice place to look at different apps
[09:48] <tech9iner> contruction/trades specific CAD apps is my need here..
[09:48] <tech9iner> nlindblad: jolly good n tx
[09:48] <nlindblad> yellowdart: someday we'll be there
[09:48] <star> hi I am new and having trouble I downloaded automatix kubunta now my fire fox dont work and limewire or any of the other programs that came with it
[09:49] <sampan> star, that's why using automatix probably isn't a good idea :/  (i speak from experience: automatix borked my system too, a couple months back)
[09:49] <yellowdart> nlindblad: i'm not complaining...i'm just glad that i don't have an M$ system
[09:49] <star> what did you do
[09:49] <kkathman> automatix is a bad idea in fact, because it uses --force and that breaks systems
[09:49] <sampan> star, i reinstalled
[09:50] <star> is that my best option
[09:50] <nlindblad> yellowdart: no, I don't mean it as if you were complaining, I mean that we need to keep on building, someday we'll get the same feelings from using Ubuntu/Kubuntu
[09:50] <tech9iner> 'ass'uming here that 'automatix' is one of 'those' repos/sources/apps to steer clear of eh?
[09:50] <sampan> star, "best" is tough to define.  there may be other ways to undo the damage, but they may require more work and more time than simply reinstalling -- that's especially true if it was a brand new/fresh breezy install
[09:50] <specialbuddy> anyone know how to fix my resolution problems
[09:51] <kkathman> tech9iner: yes absolutely
[09:51] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: tried changing it in KDE?
[09:51] <DizzyDiz> Thanx nlindblad! I researched it and indeed it does appear to be a KDE bug of some sort.
[09:51] <star> it is brand new fresh install
[09:51] <specialbuddy> yeah
[09:51] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: okey, but is it resolved or open in some bug tracker?
[09:51] <specialbuddy> but it doesn't come up with any sizes other then 640x480
[09:52] <DizzyDiz> I dunno,I didn't look at the bug tracker
[09:52] <sampan> star, since it's a fresh install, a re-install is only 30-45 minutes.  i bet it will be quicker and less hassle than trying to find all the automatix damage
[09:52] <yellowdart> nlindblad: sorry...misspoke (wasnt implying).. I agree 100%
[09:52] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: X.org (the graphic server) has it's own settings for resolution
[09:52] <DizzyDiz> I know this is isn't the first time I've seen it though
[09:52] <tech9iner> any current / former 'Fedorians' on k ? ;] 
[09:52] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:52] <DizzyDiz> Like I said it used to happen to me in Mepis as well.
[09:52] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: KDE can't override those settings
[09:52] <DizzyDiz> I just brought up sysgaurd and killed kded and then restarted it on the command line
[09:53] <DizzyDiz> Now my CPU is back to normal.
[09:53] <homann> ah, it wasn't my xserver,it was my settnigs on the monitor. much better now. will try rebooting, and see if everything works after that. Thanks!
[09:53] <tech9iner> now.. how bout non bluetooth motorola cellphone data cable apps on k ?
[09:53] <DizzyDiz> I dunno why it does that.
[09:53] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:53] <sampan> i kinda liked mepis, but it wouldn't retain my pppoe settings -- i had to run pppoeconf every time i booted
[09:53] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: (in a terminal)
[09:53] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: hopefully that will show you a dialogu where you're asked for the resolutions, etc.
[09:53] <specialbuddy> so the only way to make it work is by changing that file?
[09:53] <star> okay is there an easyer way to install those programs that kubunta dosent come with allready installed
[09:54] <specialbuddy> I did that already
[09:54] <specialbuddy> the reconfigure thing
[09:54] <tech9iner> any cellphone data apps for k / u please?
[09:54] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: didn't help?
[09:54] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: restart X.org then if you haven't
[09:54] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE
[09:54] <sampan> star, most of them are pretty easy to install once you get your repositories set right.  and this channel will still be here to help you out if you want it :)
[09:54] <Ilokaasu> i downloaded some torrent clients, but it says cannot connect to tracker, trackers are ok, i think i have to make some port cfging, if someone could give some hints ?
[09:54] <specialbuddy> well the xorg.conf file seems to say all my resolutions but it still won't come up in the kde menu
[09:55] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: save any documents,etc. before because everything dies
[09:55] <nlindblad> (that has a GUI)
[09:55] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: restart X.org
[09:55] <specialbuddy> I did restart
[09:55] <star> okay I will start the reinstall and thank you
[09:55] <mac__> anyone know how to modify konqueror's "Starting points"?  I want to add a link to my web homepage...
[09:55] <specialbuddy> do I type that in a console
[09:55] <specialbuddy> ?
[09:55] <nlindblad> star: good luck
[09:55] <seashell11> tech9iner: kandy
[09:55] <sampan> :/
[09:56] <nlindblad> mac__: in the settings, under behaviour you find that
[09:56] <tech9iner> seashell11: mobile tools eh.. THnx chum ;] 
[09:56] <DizzyDiz> Thanx for your help nlindblad.
[09:56] <nlindblad> DizzyDiz: no problems
[09:56] <DizzyDiz> I gotta get some work done now, c-ya
[09:56] <seashell11> tech9er: I havn't ever got it to work with my phone though
[09:56] <tech9iner> rofl.. then thanks for nuttin honey seashell11 lol ;] ] 
[09:57] <specialbuddy> nlindblad, do I type restart X.org
[09:57] <_chris> does anyone know of a .DMG extractor for linux?
[09:57] <yellowdart> anybody know how to get kmail to run a filter on an IMAP folder?
[09:57] <julius> hi ppl.....how do you run a program in linux?
[09:57] <slow-motion> re
[09:57] <kkathman> julius: depends on the program :)
[09:57] <seashell11> tech9iner: it says it works with only gsm phones, and mine is verizon cdma
[09:57] <darkheart> specialbuddy: Log out of your session and hit ctrl+alt+backspace at the log in menu to restart the X server.
[09:57] <tech9iner> ahh..
[09:57] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: ALT+CTRL+BACKSPACE
[09:58] <specialbuddy> I've done that and I still don't have the resolution I want
[09:58] <julius> i've downloaded firefox...but dont know how to run it...i'm new to linux
[09:58] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: careful, will kill all you have at your screen (without saving)
[09:58] <kkathman> julius: Firefox 1.5?
[09:58] <julius> yep
[09:58] <ftg2> specialbuddy: also try alt+ctrl++ and alt+ctrl+-, to toggle between the resolutions set in xorg.conf
[09:58] <specialbuddy> ok
[09:58] <nlindblad> julius: looked for it in the menu?
[09:58] <nlindblad> julius: the "Internet" category
[09:58] <julius> which menu???
[09:58] <ftg2> specialbuddy: that - and = is over on the numpad btw
[09:59] <nlindblad> the large "K"
[09:59] <kkathman> julius:  you need to simply untar it
[09:59] <tech9iner> how do '''they''' know its our brand of phones that we need apps for an thus disinclude is the ? eh seashell11 ;] ] .. [chuckles at pal that had his debit card kept at atm at bank.. in anger ''how do they fckg know its me!???!!!!'' rofl
[09:59] <julius> ahhh...i used ark when i downloaded it and it unpacked it for me
[09:59] <kkathman> julius: then you'll need to set up an icon, that points to the location of where you downloaded it
[10:00] <julius> ok....so how do i do that?
[10:00] <kkathman> nlindblad: if he got firefox from the site, it wont be in the k-menu
[10:00] <nlindblad> julius: downloaded as in downloaded from the webpage? Not using apt (the package manager)?
[10:00] <julius> true
[10:00] <nlindblad> kkathman: missunderstood, thought he installed through apt
[10:00] <kkathman> go ahead nlindblad :)
[10:00] <julius> can i get it using apt?
[10:00] <kkathman> 1.5 no
[10:00] <seashell11> lol, oh well I guess that is one of the reasons that I keep windows dual boot on 1 of the computers around the house tech9iner lol
[10:00] <nlindblad> julius: you'll regret not sticking to apt later though
[10:00] <nlindblad> julius: nasty suprises promised :D
[10:01] <kkathman> nlindblad: nah in this case its very easy
[10:01] <julius> ok guyts
[10:01] <julius> how do i do it then?
[10:01] <kkathman> julius: did you untar the file?
[10:01] <julius> yep/...i have a folder
[10:02] <specialbuddy> ok I have restarted x a few times now and have tryed ctrl+alt++ and that didn't do anything
[10:02] <kkathman> julius: ok that created a folder called firefox right?
[10:02] <nlindblad> kkathman: maybe it's just me but I don't like having stuff on my systems I've compiled/installed myself if it's not done through without pkgsrc/apt/other package manager
[10:02] <yellowdart> specialbuddy: what is your video card?
[10:02] <tech9iner> not here seashell11 lol.. dumped my last windBLOWz os almost 2 yrs back now.. i dual boot but of my 5 pc's and 11 lappys.. only 2 lappys still have any of bills shit onboard still here.. pure linux here .. [i accept respectful bows fwiw rofl ;] ] 
[10:02] <julius> yes it did
[10:02] <pestilence> is there any way to get the newest version of amaroK going in hoary?  or does it depend on kde libraries i can't easily have in hoary?
[10:02] <kkathman> nlindblad: totally different situation here
[10:02] <specialbuddy> an ati 9600
[10:02] <kkathman> julius: what is the full path of where that directory is?
[10:02] <nlindblad> kkathman: isn't he talking about compiling firefox?
[10:02] <tech9iner> pestilence: ?.. MAW!!?? Zat YOU?!! wink wink rofl
[10:03] <kkathman> julius: probably /home/yourname/firefox  ??
[10:03] <julius> lol.....if i could type
[10:03] <pestilence> tech9iner: ?
[10:03] <julius> yep...thats right
[10:03] <kkathman> nlindblad: No
[10:03] <kkathman> firefox comes precompiled
[10:03] <hawking> tell me a nice news reader for kde
[10:03] <nlindblad> kkathman: oh, right
[10:03] <pestilence> hawking: binaries or text?
[10:03] <kkathman> ok julius  just right click on your desktop, choose CREATE NEW...then click LINK TO APPLICATION
[10:03] <pestilence> hawking: klibido for the first, pan for the second
[10:04] <julius> witha single click mouse???
[10:04] <kkathman> julius: RIGHT click on the desktop
[10:04] <julius> i have no right button
[10:04] <julius> i'm on a msc
[10:04] <tech9iner> hahaha.. wtf?.. 'Setting up bicyclerepair (0.9-3ubuntu1)' ?? rofl.. so k will repair my 'bi'cycles too .. whoa!! hehe
[10:04] <julius> mac
[10:05] <kkathman> ohhh hmm
[10:05] <kkathman> ok
[10:05] <julius> lol...
[10:05] <julius> i would have to be difficult
[10:05] <julius> :)
[10:05] <seashell11> you have a button on the keyboard that opens the right click menu julius
[10:05] <ftg2> tech9iner: lol. i did a doubletake when i saw that package name too
[10:05] <kkathman> julius: I dunno what you do... hehe   ctrl-click ??
[10:05] <nlindblad> tech9iner: "A framework and refactoring tool for Python. IDE Plugins are included for Pymacs, IDLE and Vim. Using Bicycle Repair Man you can rename classes, methods and variables, and all users of them are found and adjusted appropriately."
[10:05] <kkathman> ahh there we go...thanks seashell11 :)
[10:06] <julius> i've trie dthat
[10:06] <julius> i'm not sure i have a right click at the moment
[10:06] <seashell11> at least all windows keyboards have a button that opens the right click menu
[10:06] <specialbuddy> does anyone know why I can't change my resolution
[10:06] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: strange issue
[10:06] <pestilence> specialbuddy: user error? :dunno:
[10:07] <specialbuddy> no
[10:07] <darkheart> specialbuddy: Have you pasted your xorg.conf for someone to look at?
[10:07] <specialbuddy> no
[10:07] <julius> lol...
[10:07] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: according to your descriptions you've done exactly as you should
[10:07] <julius> its a spare g5 i had
[10:07] <julius> so i thought i'd give linux a bash on it
[10:07] <tech9iner> spare g5??? say itaintso!!
[10:07] <pestilence> kkathman: i thought there were powerpc binaries for ubuntu
[10:08] <kkathman> julius:  we gotta get you to open the right click menu on your desktop :)
[10:08] <pestilence> kkathman: in fact, i have them sitting right here.
[10:08] <kkathman> pestilence: there are
[10:08] <pestilence> oh ok
[10:08] <julius> yes
[10:08] <tech9iner> as 'spare's go.. must be nice to have 'spare' g5's lay bout lol
[10:08] <julius> lol
[10:08] <kkathman> yah a "spare" G5
[10:08] <specialbuddy> well where should a post my problem?
[10:08] <julius> sorry guys
[10:08] <kkathman> if you get another "spare" will you let me know?
[10:08] <julius> i have a few
[10:08] <darkheart> !tell specialbuddy about pastebin
[10:09] <tech9iner> me too me too!! heeh
[10:09] <julius> mostly windoiws
[10:09] <julius> which i use
[10:09] <nlindblad> kkathman: I have spare hardware
[10:09] <julius> but thhis one i dont
[10:09] <kkathman> anyway julius we kinda gotta get that menu open
[10:09] <julius> its for sale actually
[10:09] <julius> mmm....but how?
[10:09] <tech9iner> any mates present dual booting suse 10 or opensuse ?
[10:09] <kkathman> tech9iner: Im goin to be soon
[10:10] <kkathman> julius: sorry I got no clue cuz I dont have a mac
[10:10] <julius> mmm///i need to get a windows mouse....lol
[10:10] <tech9iner> aye kkathman .. it nice 4sure mate.. running s10 here on my main production wrkstation.. 1st distro to pull me away from 3+ yrs on fedora core 1,2,3,4 ;] ] 
[10:11] <julius> thanks anyway guys
[10:11] <julius> much appreciated
[10:11] <DjDarkman> how do i search packages via terminal?
[10:12] <julius> right click...link to app
[10:12] <darkheart> DjDarkman: apt-cache search
[10:12] <kkathman> julius yes
[10:12] <darkheart> DjDarkman: apt-cache search filename
[10:12] <julius> okies
[10:12] <DjDarkman> 10x darkheart
[10:12] <julius> thanks guys....bye
[10:12] <Ilokaasu> ANY dc++(for linux) recommendations ?
[10:13] <darkheart> DjDarkman: You can limit it to search only the names of packages instead of both names and descriptions w/ 'apt cache search --names-only <filename>'
[10:13] <nlindblad> or use grep ;)
[10:13] <seashell11> no that julius left I found a sight saying that ubuntu uses the F11 and F12 keys for middle click and right click
[10:14] <kkathman> seashell11: well we can catch him next time :)
[10:14] <tech9iner> you'r gonna LOve yast package mngr on s10 kkathman .. best pmngr ive ever used since me 4 yrs of migration to all *nux ;] 
[10:15] <advers> how do i install other shells, besides kde and gnome
[10:15] <kkathman> tech9iner:  Im looking forward to triple booting actually,  I have breezy already (5.10) and I want to also have Dapper (6.04) which is in developement, and SUSE
[10:15] <specialbuddy> can someone look at my xorg.conf file to see if it looks right http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7024
[10:15] <darkheart> advers: sudo apt-get install someshellname
[10:15] <advers> where do i find shell names
[10:15] <darkheart> advers: Oh wait...kde and gnome aren't shells
[10:15] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: I'm on it
[10:15] <darkheart> advers: They are window managers.
[10:15] <kkathman> advers: you can install sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop   for instance
[10:15] <advers> i want
[10:15] <advers>  xfce4, and fluxbox
[10:16] <darkheart> advers: Then sudo apt-get install xfce4 fluxbox
[10:16] <kkathman> xubuntu-desktop = xfce
[10:16] <tech9iner> hmmmmm.. surprise watching kde upgrade of server including hpij ?.. b4 even confirming printer drivers needed?.. hmmmm..
[10:16] <advers> its that simple
[10:16] <kkathman> darkheart:  no
[10:16] <kkathman> xubuntu-desktop
[10:16] <advers> ok
[10:16] <advers> is xfce a good shell
[10:16] <kkathman> advers its gnome apps with a spiffier front end
[10:16] <specialbuddy> thank you nlindblad
[10:17] <tech9iner> btw fwiw kkathman .. yast is sooo much more than pmngr actually.. pretty much sys wide control panel actually ;] ] 
[10:18] <nlindblad> am I wrong or shouldn't you remove Load "dri" when you have a hardware-accelerating-supporting driver?
[10:18] <darkheart> nlindblad: Maybe, but he doesn't have one.
[10:18] <crossbar> sorry :P
[10:18] <nlindblad> darkheart: okey, not familiar with ATi cards
[10:19] <tech9iner> cool.. xubuntu-desktop.. /me makes note on this old slug lappy.. that may be the tang 2do ;] 
[10:19] <darkheart> nlindblad: The 3D driver for ATI cards is called fglrx (cause that makes sense)
[10:19] <nlindblad> darkheart: okey, now I know
[10:19] <darkheart> nlindblad: I was being sarcastic about it making sense btw.
[10:19] <tech9iner> rofl.. makes sense hehe
[10:19] <nlindblad> darkheart: so I figured ;)
[10:20] <darkheart> LOL just making sure.
[10:20] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: looks alright
[10:20] <specialbuddy> I don't know what to do then
[10:20] <specialbuddy> I restarted X
[10:20] <trappist> f for ATI, gl for GL, r for Radeon and x because it's cool
[10:20] <tech9iner> did you try a full reboot yet specialbuddy ?..
[10:20] <specialbuddy> no
[10:20] <darkheart> lol @ trappist
[10:21] <specialbuddy> should I do that
[10:21] <nlindblad> shouldn't be necessary to reboot
[10:21] <nlindblad> but why not try
[10:21] <specialbuddy> I thought you didn't have to do that
[10:21] <specialbuddy> ok
[10:21] <specialbuddy> I will try
[10:21] <tech9iner> found here sometimes full reboot 'windBLOWz' style on rare occasion accepts appropriate xorg configs/changes..
[10:22] <nlindblad> maybe it's just KDE being bad at talking to X.org
[10:22] <seashell11> lol tech9iner sure am glad someone enjoys chatting with walls, taks quite some skill eh?
[10:23] <tech9iner> aye that seashell11 rofl.. over 3 decades and 4 kids here 4 practice here.. adept here now 4sure 4sure ;] ] 
[10:24] <tech9iner> the scary part n case uve 'not arrived' yet seashell11 .. is when THEY START CHATTN BACK! lol
[10:25] <nlindblad> the walls?
[10:25] <seashell11> yea, tech9iner by that time i think maybe its time to visit a doctor lol
[10:25] <nlindblad> or get rid of the joint
[10:25] <tech9iner> if there's drugs involved.. count me in every damned time!! ;] ] 
[10:26] <specialbuddy> well I tried restarted and I'm getting the same thing
[10:26] <nlindblad> specialbuddy: try removing the lower resolutions from xorg.conf and see if that forces it to change
[10:27] <specialbuddy> I was going to ask that actually
[10:27] <tech9iner> sure u were... ;] 
[10:27] <tech9iner> ciao 4 now nlindblad
[10:28] <nlindblad> tech9iner: yeah
[10:28] <nlindblad> good night everyone
[10:28] <specialbuddy> good night
[10:28] <specialbuddy> thanks for the help
[10:28] <seashell11> goodnight? its only 4 o'clock lol
[10:29] <tech9iner> looks like im over the bump on installs tanx to helpful mates 'bean' here ;] ] .. cheers mateyzz.. and dont 4get..
[10:30] <tech9iner> difference tween cowboy boots n politicians' cowboy boots..
[10:30] <tech9iner> the cowboy boots have the chit on the OUTside!! ;] ] 
[10:30] <tech9iner> ;] ] 
[10:32] <_elessar> hi i'm using althol\n 64 now and i cant find GP driver for nforce 3 (nvo\idia nor agpgart)
[10:32] <_elessar> AGP
[10:34] <_elessar> I can't use ATI 3d acceleration without it
[10:34] <starhawk> hi I have kubunta breezy badger and would like to know the best way to install firefox it uses adept and dosent seem to pick up all the assoated packages is there some way to tell what all I need when I do this
[10:36] <seashell11> starhawk you could try automatix to install firefox 1.5
[10:37] <starhawk> that crashed my system and I had to reinstall the op
[10:37] <advers> kkathman
[10:38] <dvm1981> I think when installing 'kubuntu
[10:38] <dvm1981> he has not ask for the root password. Its possible ?
[10:40] <darkheart> !tell dvm1981 about root
[10:40] <dvm1981> darkheart: thx
[10:41] <dvm1981> So that is the same case for 'Ubuntu' Right ?
[10:41] <starhawk> how do I know which packages to install
[10:41] <_josh> what exactly is the kpdf problem referred to in the topic? i have had some flakiness with pdfs lately...
[10:43] <darkheart> dvm1981: Yes, same for ubuntu
[10:43] <starhawk> snaptic seems to be better then adept at picking all the assoatiated packages for you
[10:44] <dvm1981> darkheart: Thankx for the info
[10:44] <Lord_Athur> hi all, when  i add a new user, the new user has a kubuntu wallpaper, where is this file(wallpaper for new user)?
[10:44] <darkheart> dvm1981: You're welcome
[10:44] <_sebastian> hello
[10:44] <sampan> starhawk  have you enabled all the breezy repositories?  (synaptic and adept will both get the same dependencies -- they're both just GUI front-ends for apt-get)
[10:44] <_sebastian> i want this program
[10:44] <_sebastian> called
[10:44] <_sebastian> Freerip
[10:44] <dvm1981> darkheart: :-)
[10:44] <_sebastian> is there a version of it
[10:44] <_sebastian> for kubuntu?
[10:44] <darkheart> Lord_Athur: Hmmm..can you rephrase that? I don't understand.
[10:45] <_sebastian> or something similar, i can use to rip cd songs into mp3s
[10:45] <darkheart> _sebastian: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[10:45] <_sebastian> ?
[10:45] <darkheart> _sebastian: Go to the site, search.
[10:46] <Lord_Athur> where is this file used as wallpaper for new users in kubuntu?
[10:46] <starhawk> then how come I installed firefox the first time it didnt get the plugins and I had to guess which ones I needed
[10:46] <darkheart> Lord_Athur: /usr/share/wallpapers
[10:46] <sampan> starhawk  plugins are separate (optional) packages -- so they aren't installed by default (as dependencies) with firefox
[10:47] <Lord_Athur> darkheart, are you sure? i could not find it there
[10:47] <starhawk> sampan I was star a little while ago I reinstalled like you suggested and am ready to start over
[10:47] <darkheart> Lord_Athur: What version of Kubuntu? It seems to be there on my 5.10 version.
[10:48] <starhawk> so which plugins do I pick
[10:48] <sampan> starhawk  yay!  glad to hear you made it back :)  first things first, have you enabled the universe and multiverse repositories?
[10:48] <derekS> so, i am trying to think of cool uses for my kubuntu server, i had an extra machine lying around so i put kubuntu on it, its now a samba server
[10:48] <_username> hey hey hey kMatesNlassiesNgurus!! lol.. im n like flynn..
[10:48] <Lord_Athur> darkheart, kubuntu 5.04
[10:48] <derekS> what else can i do that would be fun?
[10:48] <starhawk> no
[10:49] <_username> tanx to mates here of course ;] ] ..
[10:49] <starhawk> but I do know how to do that
[10:49] <darkheart> Lord_Athur: That could be why...Are you using the background? If so, just go into your desktop settings and click the folder icon to browse for more image and it should take you to the default folder containing those wallpapers.
[10:49] <sampan> starhawk  then that's step #1.  don't worry, it's easy to do :)  do you have adept running?
[10:49] <starhawk> yes
[10:50] <ftg2> dang. i can't get sound going under kaffeine. using the kaffeine-xine package.. the rest of the sound system seems to be working fine :\
[10:50] <sampan> starhawk  okay.  at the top there's a menu button "Adept" -- click it, then click on "manage repositories"
[10:50] <starhawk> done
[10:51] <starhawk> now what
[10:51] <sampan> starhawk  that will bring up a list of repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  right click on the top one (cdrom) and DISABLE it.  then go down the list and every line that has "universe" or "multiverse" in it, right-click and ENABLE them
[10:51] <sampan> (if you don't want the source packages you can ignore all lines with deb-src in them and just leave the "deb" lines enabled)
[10:53] <starhawk> thats done
[10:53] <sampan> starhawk when that's done, hit the "apply" button (at bottom) and then up at top hit the "fetch updates" button.
[10:53] <joel86> hall
[10:53] <starhawk> thats done
[10:54] <starhawk> 17339
[10:54] <joel86> hey someone who can this
[10:54] <_username> k mates.. no kynaptic i expected ?... do i need to install synaptic or kynaptic ?.. or best gui pckg mnger please.. tanx
[10:54] <sampan> starhawk  k, now you can use the quick filter button to search for firefox and install it (or any/all plugins) that you please
[10:54] <starhawk> ok
[10:55] <darkheart> joel86: No, we can't see that =)
[10:55] <joel86> huh ?? =P
[10:56] <_username> hmmm.. come to think of it.. am i seen here ?.. or registration of nick required?
[10:56] <_josh> _username: i dont like kynaptic... synaptic is very good, unless you have a moral objection to using GTK based apps... otherwise use Adept
[10:56] <seashell11> _username: synaptic is much better in my opinion
[10:56] <_username> adept?.. new one here.. tx muchly _josh ;] 
[10:56] <skript> _username: go with synaptic
[10:56] <joel86> im enw here some one pleas help me =)=)=)
[10:56] <joel86> *new
[10:56] <_username> ive used synaptic few yrs back.. know it best..
[10:57] <_username> poof!!!! you are now helped n healed magically joel86 lol
[10:57] <skript> do most of you use the default dpi values provided by KDE/X, or do you set your own ?
[10:57] <joel86> whaat ?? =P
[10:58] <_username> joel86: teasing way to pt out that u need to ask specific ?'s... not beg for nonspecific help chum.. ;] ] 
[10:58] <darkheart> !helpme
[10:58] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[10:59] <joel86> aah ok =),, i want to download msn in the terminal thing
[10:59] <_username> lol... there a paraphrasing echo in here ubot? lol
[11:00] <_username> hmm.. see one must install firefox eh?
[11:01] <darkheart> joel86: What do you mean?
[11:01] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install firefox thats command line lol
[11:02] <_username> seashell11: k.. now ur helpn me so much today.. methinks its gonna cost me ;] 
[11:02] <_username> tx seashell11
[11:02] <joel86> i was told that i could get msn "lookalike" or something but im not sure were but im guessing in the terminal thing
[11:03] <dark_suic> joel86, maybe... sudo apt-get install amsn
[11:03] <_username> ???.... and the source of such strange rumors would be from.. redmond wa maybe? heh
[11:03] <darkheart> joel86: Sorry, I don't know any specific MSN lookalikes...there are many IM clients though.
[11:03] <_username> talkin gaim maybe?
[11:03] <_luca> hem hem. Hi guys, i have a problem with blender
[11:04] <_username> hehe.. habit of alt-shift to access pane menu brings up new one here.. katapult?
[11:04] <darkheart> _username: katapult is your new friend.
[11:04] <darkheart> _username: open it up and type the name of a program you want to launch.
[11:05] <darkheart> then enter of course.
[11:05] <seashell11> I have MSN account set up in kopete it seems to work better thatn gaim under kde
[11:05] <dark_suic> i agree with seashell11 btw
[11:06] <seashell11> and kopete should already be installed
[11:06] <ftg2> I wish there was an otr plugin for kepote, or i would switch.
[11:07] <dark_suic> excuse me... otr?
[11:08] <ftg2> i don't IM without it
[11:09] <joel86> gaim is that some sort of msn ??
[11:09] <ftg2> gaim tries to be a universal client. yeah, it does MSN
[11:10] <joel86> ok,,, should it install if i write,, apt-get install gaim ??
[11:10] <seashell11> its just about like kopete, just the default install in ubuntu instead of the kopete in kubuntu
[11:10] <seashell11> but yea that should install it
[11:11] <seashell11> sudo apt-get install gaim
[11:11] <seashell11> you get that joel86 ?
[11:12] <joel86> ye thx,, gonna try that
[11:13] <seashell11> if you aren't wanting that otr though, kopete will do the exact same thing, only run better with kubuntu joel86 because the sound notification never did work with gaim under kde for me, but with kopete it works fine
[11:14] <joel86> kopete,, is that a prog ? like gaim ?
[11:14] <sampan> w00t i think upgrading amarok to 1.3.7 solved the weird cpu usage it was giving me
[11:15] <joel86> so i just install kopete instead gaim
[11:15] <ftg2> i agree. also, the otr packages available for breezy are old. its not as easy as doing an apt-get install gaim-otr :\ you will get the flawed 2.* version of the protocol rather than 3.0
[11:15] <_username> ahhh darkheart .. coolness.. ;] .. tx chum
[11:16] <darkheart> _username: np =) I love katapult...if you are a console type of guy, you might want to check out yakuake too
[11:16] <seashell11> kopete yea its pretty much just like gaim just type in kopete in the command line and it should start, or go to internet under the K menu and it should have kopete joel86
[11:16] <seashell11> it will say Instant Messenger (Kopete)
[11:16] <joel86> ok,, can i add my msn list there so i have all my contacts ??
[11:17] <_luca> kopete doesn't work for uploading files to my msn contacts
[11:17] <seashell11> yea I just signed on and it already had all my contacts
[11:18] <darkheart> _luca: It's supposed to...didn't work for me though. You might have to explicitly open up that port.
[11:18] <darkheart> joel86: MSN keeps a database record of your contacts...so doesn't matter what IM client you use really, you should still have all your contacts.
[11:19] <_luca> darkheart: well the problem is i'm behind 2 routers....
[11:19] <seashell11> It worked great for me _luca joel86 I agree with darkheart you should have all your kontacts right when you sign on
[11:19] <seashell11> oh i mean contacs, sry lol
[11:20] <_luca> seashell11: uhm.. how do i open that port?
[11:20] <darkheart> _luca: In your routers' settings.
[11:21] <_luca> ...both: but there's 2 of them and one is that "trust" thing with no ports
[11:21] <seashell11> _luca I wouldn't know, it all worked by default for me :)
[11:22] <_luca> seashell11: you're a lucky man, do you know it?
[11:22] <m_tadeu> what is the "HTP Cach Cleaner"?
[11:22] <darkheart> _luca: Then change the one you can and maybe that will be enough.
[11:22] <joel86> yaaay it worked,, meny thx =)
[11:22] <seashell11> no prob joel86 have fun!!!
[11:23] <_luca> OK....  just opened it, now i can receive
[11:23] <_luca> huh NEway anyone could help with Blender?
[11:24] <seashell11> _luca good for you
[11:24] <_luca> seashell11: :)
[11:24] <ftg2> !repos
[11:24] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:25] <darkheart> _luca: It worked when you opened that one port?
[11:26] <_luca> darkheart: yes, but receiving is still not working... very strange
[11:27] <darkheart> _luca: =\ I had the same problems so I stopped using it.
[11:27] <_username> so mates.. ran synaptic jus now and marked all updates.. seeing some gnome errors in terminal of syn?
[11:28] <_luca> darkheart: so you're using gaim? gaim works to send/receive
[11:28] <_username> gdammit.. how doth one turn menubar back on in konversation please?..
[11:29] <_username> no clue wtf keyboard combo i just typoed to turn off damned konv menus.. arg
[11:30] <seashell11> _username try Ctrl M
[11:33] <_username> puuuuuuuurfect seashell11 .. ;] 
[11:34] <_username> so.. no dire warnings bout gnome errors i see in synaptic during updates ?
[11:35] <seashell11> What errors are you getting?
[11:36] <ftg2> i need a list of backport repos.. the forums (where they are normally listed) seems to be down
[11:37] <_username> debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
[11:40] <seashell11> well if you are running kde at the moment it would be able to start gnome to would it _username ? I don't think its anything to worry about but maybe im wrong.
[11:41] <dell500> anyone here know how to get gnupod-tools working?
[11:41] <_username> i mean i did server only install of k.., then aptget install kubuntu-desktop?.. wy gnome errors?
[11:41] <_username> k seashell11
[11:41] <ftg2> _username: that is a different issue. debconf is configured to use gnome. try doing dpkg-reconfigure debconf
[11:43] <_username> better sys monitor than gkrellm for k ?
[11:43] <_username> tx ftg2 ;] 
[11:44] <m_tadeu> I'm getting 2 errors on boot time when loading the modules "fan" and "thermal". how do i remove these modules?
[11:50] <joel86> were can i get all seeing eye ??
[11:54] <seashell11> joel86 you could try sudo apt-get install xeyes or sudo apt-get install tuxeyes if these were what you were talking about
[11:55] <joel86> so i can easy conect to game hubs
[11:55] <seashell11> I wouldnt have a clue, I don't do gaming :-S
[11:56] <joel86> hehe ok =)
[11:59] <seashell11> anyway im leaving ttyl