[12:02] <artnay_> but there seems to be only 4-5 people building it occasionally
[12:02] <lukacu> it is what remains of the team
[12:02] <artnay_> remember the meeting when we tried to get people to help with different *buntus?
[12:03] <artnay_> with wiki pages
[12:03] <artnay_> I guess Ubuntu and Edubuntu have staff behind them, but Kubuntu and Xubuntu didn't have any
[12:04] <artnay_> Riddell doesn't have time to keep it up-to-date and
[12:04] <artnay_> that I understand
[12:04] <artnay_> damn cat
[12:04] <artnay_> jumped on the keypad
[12:04] <lukacu> :D
[12:05] <artnay_> and there's no use for wiki if it's outdated
[12:06] <artnay_> so we agree on many things, right?
[12:07] <lukacu> yes ... i think we all agree ... the question is who is willing to help
[12:08] <artnay_> actually I invited lizardking (the last link I provided) and he was willing to help
[12:08] <artnay_> he came to this channel and we had a chat
[12:09] <lukacu> i saw it in the log
[12:09] <artnay_> oh
[12:10] <artnay_> anyways, if we get enough motivated people to work on artwork before the end of january, we could actually make a difference
[12:10] <artnay_> I guess many were frustrated as not much happened before or after breezy
[12:11] <artnay_> many members of artwork team
[12:11] <lukacu> yes ... many have joined in june ... and then almost no activity for months
[12:11] <artnay_> I guess the deadline for artwork will be somewhere in mid-march
[12:12] <artnay_> that doesn't leave much time
[12:12] <artnay_> I remember that there were a deadline before breezy
[12:12] <artnay_> but now as I look at the schedule, it doesn't even mention artwork
[12:13] <artnay_> although ArtworkTeamIntroduction says this: 
[12:13] <artnay_> The [WWW]  Dapper Release Schedule does not yet include a reference to the ArtworkDeadline, but when it will the The Artwork Team must respect this deadline.
[12:14] <lukacu> we will lose most of the time with finding out what we can do i think
[12:14] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule
[12:14] <artnay_> no, someone should say what we should/must do
[12:15] <artnay_> get the goals set
[12:15] <artnay_> this doesn't look too promising yet
[12:15] <lukacu> no, not at all
[12:16] <artnay_> well Andy is supposed to reveal his icons set on the 23rd at LCA
[12:16] <artnay_> that will be a milestone
[12:16] <artnay_> typosss
[12:18] <artnay_> there is one that makes me a bit scared
[12:18] <artnay_> I assume canonical is following CoC
[12:18] <lukacu> but that is not artteam work, community work ... he just happens to be in the team ... thats my opinion
[12:18] <artnay_> and it says "but at least keep the outside world informed of your work, and publish your work in a way that allows outsiders to test, discuss and contribute to your efforts."
[12:18] <artnay_> but still I haven't found much graphics improvements in dapper (running it atm)
[12:19] <artnay_> lukacu: well at least he has a goal
[12:19] <artnay_> something we all should have
[12:20] <lukacu> yes ... but we cannot set our goals ... for ubuntu i mean :)
[12:20] <artnay_> no, that's something the whole community should be heard of
[12:20] <artnay_> but still mark has the final word
[12:20] <artnay_> veto
[12:21] <artnay_> I mean something should be changed in dapper. most of the critique ubuntu has received is because of the brown theme
[12:21] <lukacu> yes ... thats why it is better that others set the goals than to get your work rejected later
[12:21] <artnay_> while I think brown is nice, the experience that user gets isn't
[12:22] <artnay_> lukacu: volvoguy has asked for goals in June, no word. I've sent a few mails, no reply
[12:22] <artnay_> and I guess many others have too
[12:23] <artnay_> so we have a communication problem. mhz he would discuss about that in CC
[12:23] <artnay_> but the CC meeting was already held and there were no word of that (I read the logs as well :>)
[12:25] <artnay_> but hey... let's try to into contact with canonical and ask their plans and what do they want
[12:25] <artnay_> I for one think that's something essential, we can't really do much before we know such things
[12:27] <artnay_> can you see I'm a bit tired? when I left words out of sentences and have lots of typos in them, it's a hint. go and zZz!
[12:27] <artnay_> s/left/leave
[12:27] <lukacu> :D
[12:27] <artnay_> I told you! :D
[12:30] <artnay_> well I said what I had on my mind
[12:30] <lukacu> i am afraid i have not said all thats on my mind but i am tired ... some sleep would be nice
[12:32] <artnay_> "me too!"
[12:32] <artnay_> anyways, I'm going to bed now
[12:33] <artnay_> it was nice to chat with you
[12:33] <artnay_> I'm really not on the mood of having monologs here :)
[12:33] <lukacu> :D
[12:33] <artnay_> I'll do more wiki updates tomorrow
[12:33] <artnay_> no, wait. today
[12:34] <lukacu> night then
[12:34] <artnay_> you too, mate
[12:00] <artnay_> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/attachments/20060111/69b7db6c/DapperDevStatus05-Jan-2006-0001.pdf
[12:00] <artnay_> in case you haven't seen it yet
[01:04] <LizardKing_it> hello to all
[01:04] <artnay_> hey LizardKing_it 
[01:04] <LizardKing_it> how are you?
[01:04] <artnay_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTodoProposal and its subpages have gone through a lot of changes
[01:04] <artnay_> better than yesterday ;) you?
[01:05] <LizardKing_it> section blablabla now is not more there :D
[01:05] <LizardKing_it> yes
[01:05] <LizardKing_it> did you edit you this page?
[01:05] <artnay_> and several others
[01:06] <artnay_> and once you're at it, give your vote for the next meeting date :)
[01:06] <artnay_> I'll have a ciggie now, brb