[12:02] Burgwork: they are major annoyances. :) [12:04] mdz: i think he's still asleep === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-139-175.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:21] neuralis: he'll see it when he wakes up === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-139-175.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nekohayo [n=nekohayo@ip216-239-76-164.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === storm [i=joel@201.37.99.64] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [n=capitant@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === olemke [n=olemke@p54896DF1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] seb128, still here ? [12:54] ogra_ibook: yep [12:54] why? [12:54] would it be possible to ship gdm.conf-custom in /usr/share7doc/gdm instead of /etc/gdm ? [12:54] */usr/share/doc/gdm [12:55] no [12:55] with the current setup i have to overwrite or divert an empty file [12:55] what is wrong about it? [12:55] which is kind of silly and leaves me with the ompression i'd rather stay with sed'ing the theme entry in gdm.conf instead of using it [12:56] ? [12:56] its in the way if i want to customize gdm from another package [12:56] i.e. edubuntu-artwork [12:57] gdm now uses gdm.conf-custom to read the defaults, right ? [12:57] no [12:57] the default is gdm.conf [12:57] huh ? [12:57] -custom is user changes [12:57] i thought that was the new introduced feture ... [12:58] oh, then i misunderstood, so i still have to use gdm.conf to set the theme ? [12:58] no [12:58] but ? [12:58] hum, depending who is you [12:58] as an user no [12:58] as a packager yep [12:58] packager in this case ... [12:58] the default package settings are gdm.conf [12:59] i thought the -custom should enable easier cdd stuff [12:59] gdm.conf-custom is what you change with gdmsetup by example [12:59] oki [12:59] i just saw an announcement a while ago ... [12:59] seems i misunderstood it ... [12:59] it said he would make easier package management [12:59] because gdm.conf is the package version stock [12:59] ahuman01, k :) [12:59] gdmsetup doesn't modify it [01:00] it used ot [01:00] to === ogra_ibook GRRRs loud at his tabkey [01:00] so the conffile change whenever you run gdmsetup [01:00] with the new system your user config are to -custom [01:00] so you have no conffile on gdm.conf change due to local setting [01:00] so it doesn't break when a binary location changed by example and you choosed to keep your version [01:00] hmm, we should add something between these two files (dapper+1) for derivative customization [01:01] could be a good idea [01:01] it always feels bad to sed through gdm.conf [01:01] you could ship a -custom too [01:02] yes, but i'd have to divert yours from the gdm package ... [01:02] i dont gain much with it ... [01:02] good night developers! [01:02] right [01:02] 'nigh dholbach [01:02] optimal would be to just drop my file in a dir [01:02] like the new gconf does [01:02] agreed [01:03] lets not forget about it for dapper+1 ;) [01:03] i'll stay with sed for now [01:05] yep === jdahlin [n=jdahlin@201-1-134-150.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] is php5-mcrypt omitted from debian for some legal issue or another? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chninkel is now known as chninkel_away [01:28] mjg59: did bluez-firmware disappear? [01:32] mdz: could you promote libavahi-qt3-dev to main? new kdelibs just uploaded will need it === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] mjg59: or even bluez-bcm203x === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@210.213.69.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === netdur [n=adel@adsl196-112-75-206-196.adsl196-3.iam.net.ma] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rob1 [n=Robert@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:22] p.u.o is broken... I noticed it few days ago!!! [02:22] is there a i686 gcc package for ubuntu? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdahlin is now known as jdahlin-Zzz [02:56] Riddell: done; in the future, please check first if any additional dependencies need to be promoted at the same time === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] elmo: How often does autosync run?... I'm waiting on mysql-dfsg-5.0 from sid to re-sync... [03:25] hey.. what's the word on the repositories being messed up? === ritvik [n=ankit@60.254.67.224] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] mdke_, [03:28] sorry [03:28] ping mdz [03:30] ritvik: hi, looks like we were disconnected again. I was just calling back to wrap up and say goodbye === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] yeah .. its good [03:31] thanks for calling . i'll wait for your reply then [03:31] desrt: ? [03:31] ritvik: ok, cheers [03:31] lifeless; a few people have been asking me why 'apt-get update' is broken [03:31] bye [03:32] desrt: oh, that repo ;) [03:32] heh. === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-170.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-170.dsl.clear.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] === mpt [n=mpt@203-167-187-170.dsl.clear.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cantspeakslowl1 [n=cantspea@24.219.76.135] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cantspeakslowl1 [n=cantspea@24.219.76.135] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === poimen [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:40] someone kwos how to enable multiverse in dapper? [04:43] poimen, please use #ubuntu as this is not a support channel === BxL [n=BxL@modemcable097.172-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BxL [n=BxL@modemcable097.172-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === poimen [n=poimen@66.231.167.61] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === freestone [i=j1@dwin-wlan-140.AirBears.Berkeley.EDU] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.208.117] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ds [n=ds@dsl092-014-052.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === soumyadip [n=soumyadi@59.93.199.58] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DrZeus [n=drzeus@201.226.146.164] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zeedo [n=zeedo@reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:53] Hi all. I would like to ask if there is a way to check that a patch is integrated in the next release [05:54] because I had a problem with the acpi of my laptop, and found some kernel patches for fixing that(battery not detected), and I want to know if they are or could be included in the next release [05:54] DrZeus: Check the changelog for mention of the patch? [05:55] dont know how to do that [05:55] this is the link where I found the patches. Is a member of the linux on toshiba mailing list [05:55] http://www.minet.uni-jena.de/~ferdy/l10.html#sbs [05:59] how do I check that log? [06:02] how can I check that the patch is included? [06:03] DrZeus: See http://packages.ubuntu.com/, select the distribution you want to look at, and down the bottom there's a 'changelog' link. That'll take you to the changelog for the package. For the kernel, you probably want linux-image-2.6.15-11-386 for the package name. [06:05] womble: it tells to view the "debian changelog". Is that the one I have to see? [06:06] DrZeus: Yep [06:06] ok [06:07] it is not found in the page [06:10] The acpi-sbs stuff isn't included in our kernel, no. And according to that page, it doesn't apply / won't work on kernels > 2.6.13 (and we're using 2.6.15 right now) [06:15] its curious; why is not included, or listed in any sort of "official" patches repository, i dont know === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:15] the page doesnt says it wont work, it keeps the benefit of the doubt; but thats not enough for a release, I understand [06:22] Of course, if an updated DSTS is what's really needed for stuff to be a bit happier, you can follow their DSTS instrustions, toss the result in /etc/mkinitramfs/DSDT.aml, "update-initramfs -u" and reboot. [06:23] I suspect the kernel patches may be required, though, and if you find that's the case, please file an enhancement bug on the "linux" package. [06:24] There's already a bug on it [06:25] Then never mind. :) === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.157] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:41] hi devs [06:42] hi zakame === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@gb.ja.96.108.revip.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-067-161.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:infinity] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 2 released | If your initramfs is broken in any way, please save a copy for infinity [08:10] sigh [08:10] mine was broken, but works now [08:11] such a shame [08:13] Yeah. If anything breaks again, please save me a copy. It's easy to dig through a broken one and see why it broke, next to impossible to resolve after the fact with anecdotal reports like "well, it didn't boot. I regenerated the initramfs. Now it boots." [08:13] :/ [08:13] infinity: did you see that Malone bug, btw? === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-105-30.wbs.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:15] god damn - this whols **** about the conflicts between debian and ubuntu ****es me off [08:15] Keybuk: #? [08:16] infinity: 6696 [08:16] Keybuk: The only recent Malone bug I've had assigned to me was something nvidiaish. [08:16] yeah I'm not sure if I can even assign bugs to you [08:16] Don't see why not.. [08:17] I can't find anything like "Assign Bug" in Malone [08:18] in the bug overview, click on the bug in the "fix requested in" column. There you can reassign. [08:18] it's a really unfortunate UI, very non-discoverable. [08:19] Yeah, you described it, and I still can't find it. [08:20] Keybuk: Well, "/dev/.initramfs" is new, I suppose, but not the idea of using /dev to save state over the remount. [08:20] right [08:20] Keybuk: Anyhow, I can just test that I have the file before I play with it. No big deal. [08:20] but after init-bottom there is no /dev [08:21] It's all just a hack until usplash grows internal state anyway. [08:22] Of course, log_end_msg will fail (well, "not work", rather) either way in that case, since it can't send anything to the usplash fifo either. [08:23] right === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:24] OTOH, initramfs does still create /dev, so it may make sense for us to be the ones that move it too. [08:25] Hrm, no, I see why that would suck, if there was no udev. [08:25] maybe, though it prevents the udev script from being able to bail out [08:25] Then we'd be moving a (nearly empty) /dev to the root. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] infinity, hi, the usual nudge [08:40] :) === infinity is nudged. === Keybuk tries to remember how to spell "BLOCKED ON INFINITY" in his bingo card [08:46] Oh, dev meeting, hnngh. === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B10F4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:51] good morning [08:51] morning dholbach [08:51] ajmitch: hey andrew [08:52] hi dholbach [08:53] pitti: hey martin [08:53] infinity, you have a T43 right? does it boot with the -11 kernel? mine stops at "detecting and activating hardware" [08:54] mdke_: Mine boots fine. I have other problems (lack of frequency scaling), but it more or less works. [08:54] infinity, ok maybe slightly different hardware, or mine just being a pain then [08:55] infinity, is there a chance that we see my noblock patch in initramfs before flight3 ? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] T-5mins to distro team meeting [08:55] ogra_ibook: There's a chance if you pester me about it right after the meeting. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:56] infinity, i'd be fine fixing it and preparing it for you if you tell me what you want :) [08:56] mdke_: stops, or pauses for 3 minutes? [08:57] Keybuk, i'm not sure I ever left it for 3 minutes. will try that today [08:57] mdke_: You can boot into an older kernel just fine, right? [08:57] yes [08:57] i have -9 [08:57] mdke_: If so, can you copy your initrd-2.6.15-11-686 (or whatever) somewhere, so I can have a look at it and see if it's broken? [08:58] dev meeting in 2 minutes [08:58] mdke_: I'm trying desperately to find broken initramfs's. :) [08:58] ooh :D dev meeting :D [08:58] infinity, alright === Mez sits and waitches [08:58] Keybuk, if it is pausing, shall I cc you to the bug? === khermans [n=khermans@69-174-196-73.albyny.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:59] mdz: postgresql-8.0 breezy-updates uploaded and ready for your electronic thumb :) [08:59] mdke: yeah, though either way it's a kernel bug [08:59] right [08:59] can someone tell me how to compile a static binary with all the dependencies inclusive? I would be doing this with ./configure [09:00] ogra, ogra_ibook: ping [09:00] khermans: --enable-static ? [09:00] pitti, pong [09:00] Keybuk, yeah i tried but no luck [09:00] Keybuk, ther eis also enable-shared [09:00] ogra_ibook: ok, I didn't see your ack in #u-meeting :) [09:01] khermans: --disable-shared --enable-static ? [09:01] something like that === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-232.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden_ [n=ealden@ipdial-189-46.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] seb128, Diziet: is there a bug report about the epy issue somewhere? [09:27] seb128: running commands in downloaded .desktop files [09:28] ogra_ibook: but autostart on CDs is (a) deactivated by default and (b) much less dangerous than automatically executing downloaded .desktop files [09:29] yes, i only happen to remember the discussion came up with it [09:29] i dont say they are related :) [09:29] pitti: ? [09:30] pitti: there is nothing epiphany specific, .desktop are app launchers for GNOME [09:30] ie: GNOME display the icon/name defined by the .desktop and run the command specified by it [09:30] but we probably should restrict their execution from a browser [09:30] yes, the browser should not automatically execute these [09:31] nothing specific with a browser [09:32] you download them and double click from nautilus that's the same [09:32] I'll take a look at this after the meeting [09:32] seb128: it sounded as if clicking onto a .desktop link in the browser would already execute it === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B06D0.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] yes, to me too [09:32] what are you talking about [09:32] ? [09:32] is that a list discussion I didn't read? [09:33] what sounded like that? [09:34] seb128: you did :) [09:34] seb128, iwj sounded like it would be executable directly [09:34] anyway, is there a difference with "open directly" and "download and have to double click on it"? [09:34] yes [09:34] yes [09:34] since you can trick users to automatically be redirected to a .desktop file [09:34] anyway you can trick and user [09:34] if merely visiting http://foo/bar.desktop will execute the file, that's scary [09:34] read the mail I pointed on -meeting [09:35] the icon looks like a .doc [09:35] the name looks like a document [09:35] and it does a tricky command [09:35] so do use the browser option to automatically open attachements you click on [09:36] my browser is configured to open the download dialog === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:36] seb128: if it spawns the download dialog, that's fine [09:37] that's an user option [09:37] if you remove the option some people will scream at you :p [09:37] s/scream/yell rather :) [09:38] seb128: that should be controlled by the executable bit [09:38] if the .desktop file isn't executable, double-clicking it shouldn't execute it [09:38] (imho) [09:38] a .desktop is not executable [09:38] maybe it should be [09:38] a .desktop is a launcher [09:39] it is having the effect of interpreting it and executing it [09:39] you don't want a confirmation when clicking on a launcher from your panel by example [09:39] I don't care what you call it [09:39] part of this is also that Nautilus has a crap UI for .desktop files. It hides the extension by default [09:39] hm, executable bit could do the trick, yes [09:39] so we would ship our deskto files in .debs executable, and the browser would save them as non-exec [09:40] pitti: .desktop are -x [09:40] but the command inside will still be executed, even with -x [09:40] yes, I know, that's the problem :) [09:41] I agree that's an issue [09:41] but that's a GNOME issue, not an epy one [09:41] at least it's not half as scary as I initially thought [09:42] so it's just about trojans, not automatically executing stuff with a malicious URL [09:42] ogra_ibook: ? [09:43] mjg59, i did a patch for hoarys hal to be able to execute dmidecode to get the bios information [09:43] well, that used a suid root helper [09:43] should be similar to what you want [09:43] ogra_ibook: Oh, in terms of running code as root? === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] yup [09:43] Basically, but upstream wants it on dbus [09:43] it should get a bit different design [09:44] mjg59, ah, ok, mine didnt involve dbus [09:44] mjg59: AIUI hald should fork right at the start, and the main process drops privs, and the other stays root and only accepts dbus messages from the main hald and executes stuff [09:45] pitti: That would work, or the alternative is to have an entirely separate piece of code to do that (possibly less to go wrong) [09:45] mvo: Any idea why g-p-m is giving me dialog boxes rather than notification bubbles? [09:45] well, yes; however, startup is more complicated then [09:45] ogra_ibook: what's the nfs timeout issue? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@mailhost.newtec.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:46] hrm, google doesn't seem to index morgue.u.c [09:46] Kamion, the issue we already had in breezy, nfs / mounts time out for the first attempt [09:47] mjg59: ? dialog boxes? like in "gtk dialog boxes"? [09:47] Kamion, the second works fine, as well as a normal (non /) nfs mount does [09:47] ogra_ibook: have you tried mounting with -o nolock? [09:47] not yet [09:47] ogra_ibook: since we don't run the portmapper by default [09:47] mvo: Yes [09:47] thus nfs can't get at lockd [09:47] Kamion, we do with ltsp [09:47] mvo: I get a dialog saying "AC power has been unplugged" with an "OK" button [09:47] ogra_ibook: ah [09:47] jdub: pretty irrelevant considering how out-of-date morgue.u.c is [09:47] thats not the issue ... mdz initially thought its a klibc issue in initramfs === rikai [n=gtk2@pool-64-222-246-38.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:48] pitti: in fact I've just tried, epiphany displays .desktop inline like a text file [09:48] Kaloz, i think i'll look deeper in there ... since it only happens from initramfs the cause is likely to be in there [09:48] pitti: approved [09:48] seb128: and doesn't execute it? [09:48] mdz: yay, thanks [09:48] mjg59: sounds like g-p-m is build without libnotify support and falls back to that. maybe a bug in my upload, I can check after the meeting [09:48] s/Kaloz/Kamion [09:49] pitti: no, it display it inline as a text file [09:49] Kamion: it covered what i was looking for, but turns out i have a backup of what i needed anyway 8) [09:49] seb128: hm, that's even better IMHO [09:49] jdub: fair enough :) [09:49] pitti: http://people.ubuntu.com/~seb128/, click on gedit.desktop [09:49] mvo: Thanks [09:50] seb128: right, in ffox too; *phew*, thanks :) === lionel_ [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lionelp [n=lionel@10.21.96-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] pitti: np [09:52] http://opensourceversus.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=447&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 [09:52] ^ heh [09:52] seb128: I think requiring .desktop files to be executable would still be an improvement, though [09:52] Keybuk, how to make KDE and GNOME look identical [09:53] pitti: was difference would that make? [09:53] pitti, upstream has done a lot of work on gobby since UBZ [09:53] seb128: you could avoid hard-to-see trojan horses [09:54] btw, everyone saw yesterday's stuff about FAT, right? [09:54] seb128: since nautilus hides the .desktop extension by default [09:54] Keybuk: it was about VFAT, not FAT :) [09:54] seb128, pitti can we drop that hiding? [09:54] pitti: and it doesn't use the real filename neither [09:54] Burgundavia: no [09:54] It's not even about VFAT [09:54] seb128, why not? [09:54] It's about long file names [09:54] mjg59: isn't that what vfat is about? [09:55] Burgundavia: you don't want to have all your launcher on the desktop having .desktop do you? [09:55] pitti: I was under the impression that vfat included FAT32 [09:55] pitti: and FAT32 [09:55] seb128, the user is almost never going to actually be exposed to a .desktop through nautilus [09:55] mjg59: could be, I'm not sure about the terminology [09:55] Burgundavia: dnd a menu item to the desktop ... [09:55] (it's also a US patent, and we're safely tucked away in the EU) [09:55] seb128, how does showing the extension hurt that? === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:56] any way, AFAIUI it's not about the low-level file system itself, just about the rock-ridge-like mapping of long filenames to short ones [09:56] Burgundavia, its pretty ugly ... [09:56] Burgundavia: I've a nice "gedit" icon to start gedit on my desktop, I don't want it named "gedit.desktop", that's just ugly [09:56] ogra_ibook, better than having a security problem [09:56] pitti: indeed, the filesystem itself is over 30 years old, so the newly issued patent would expire immediately :) [09:56] Burgundavia, i dont really see the security problem ... [09:56] people will not know what .desktop is and click on it anyway [09:56] Burgundavia: I'd rather prefer desktop files to be executable, then you could hide the extension as before [09:57] you are not going to fix it that way [09:57] Burgundavia: and since it is kind of a script, it is interpreted (executed) in some way [09:57] Burgundavia, as long as your browser doesnt silently download and execute it... [09:57] pitti, true [09:57] Burgundavia: it wouldn't be a security problem if there were a way to have a .desktop file that was marked as having come from somewhere insecure (e.g. executable bit) [09:58] obviously it's not the same as SELinux-like MAC, but it's what we have [09:59] Burgundavia: most users I've seen drag icons from the menu and panel onto their desktop [09:59] (until you teach them about panel launchers) [09:59] because that's what they do on Windows [10:00] a ".desktop" extension would confuse them, and make them thing it wasn't "the application icon" [10:00] though .desktop files should *so* be +x to work though [10:00] Keybuk, true, I retract my request [10:01] Keybuk, +x means an upload for every application that includes a .desktop file though, no? [10:01] sadly yes [10:01] +x means to change every user already created .desktop too [10:01] which is harder [10:02] Keybuk: moo. === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] better than the current situation, where a user can be given a .desktop file that looks like a text file, but does bad things [10:02] Mithrandir: #ubuntu-boot ? [10:02] Keybuk: sure === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["So] === Huahua [n=hua@221.172.50.143] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] doko: zope 3.2 & 2.9 before UVF? I see that 2.9 needs python 2.4, which will affect quite a few products [10:07] ajmitch: zope2.x has gone completely to universe, so you guys are free to break it however you want. [10:07] ajmitch: THough I'm not sure if you WANT to. :) [10:13] ajmitch: why is the python version problematic? [10:13] it should not [10:18] elmo: could you update germinate on jackass, please? It's too old to understand %sourcepkg syntax in seeds. [10:19] doko: just some zope products that depends on python 2.3 libs, not too many thankfully [10:20] eg zope-cmfplone has a dep on python2.3-imaging === carlos [n=carlos@71.Red-83-37-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] dholbach, can you do another ubuntu-docs upload to dapper sometime, when you're not busy [10:22] mdke: sure [10:22] great thanks [10:22] mdke: now that we sorted out the problems, it's fairly easy - so if you have important/big changes feel free to ping me and i'll do it asap [10:22] :) [10:22] mdke: but i'll do it once a week anyways [10:22] rockin [10:23] i've put in a short FF homepage this morning, to replace the old long one [10:23] needs work, but i'd like to get it in for people to review [10:24] mdke: you could do with another call for testers/helpers on the fridge [10:24] we'll put it in the next newsletter :) [10:24] let me do an update before ;) [10:24] cool [10:25] in any case, if the BrowserDefaults spec happens, it won't be relevant, but this is just in case that spec doesn't happen === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk reads LWN and thinks "Flash Gordon" [10:50] On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:36:05PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote: [10:51] > Yeah, I "forgot" to start that particular flame-war. [10:51] *giggle* === jane_ [n=JaneW@dsl-146-165-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@203-214-18-27.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] mdke: done [11:11] mdke: arg, uploaded it to REVU [11:11] lol [11:12] heh [11:12] need reviewers ? [11:12] whoops :) [11:12] ogra_ibook: no, i think other people need them more urgently than ubuntu-docs does [11:12] heh === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti tests live CD, brb === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] oops, well that was a fun bug === jdahlin-Zzz is now known as jdahlin [11:21] slight mistake in a cdimage script caused it to attempt to copy my entire home directory on little into the CD image it was creating [11:21] which includes stuff like backups of old CD images, unpacked DVD images, that sort of thing [11:21] Kamion: You shouldn't waste space on the cdimages with your backups:-) [11:22] not the images I'm creating and expecting people to burn, no [11:22] hmm, only backups ... [11:23] your personal mail and gpg key would rather be intresting to distribute on an iso :) [11:23] ogra_ibook: funnily enough, I don't keep those on little === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] oh, i read s/on/to [11:23] :) === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:24] haven't done an Ubuntu CD image build on a machine with my GPG key since Sounder CD 1 [11:24] Kamion: hmm, I thought we agreed not to ship porn on our CDs anymore? [11:24] although there is *a* GPG key on little for Release.gpg [11:24] Keybuk: I'm not volunteering to tell Mark === herzi [n=herzi@d093240.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] <\sh> infinity / lamont-away : can you please give back kdebase, thx :) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === infinity [n=adconrad@203-214-4-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:49] infinity, lamont-away: kdebase and kdenetwork give back please === spacey_ki [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ctd [n=ctd@slug.progsoc.uts.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] Riddell: Done. [11:57] what would be a good tooltip for "Get Help Online..."? "Connect to the ubuntu webservice to get online help"? [11:59] mvo: Why not write website? [11:59] "Connect to Launchpad for online help" (saves having to rebrand for Kubuntu, Edubuntu)? [11:59] or "to the Launchpad website" [11:59] mvo: People are way more likly to know that than webservice. [12:00] Kamion: I'd keep the "website" to emphesize that this is on a remote computer. [12:00] i'd take "get online help ..." [12:00] "Connect to the Launchpad website for online help" <- good? [12:00] i find it to long [12:01] for a tooltip? [12:01] it's something display to the bar on the bottom of the app [12:01] like for every other menu item [12:01] not a mouseover tooltip [12:01] tooltip for "Translate This Application" -> "Connect to the Launchpad website to translate this application" ? [12:01] will people know what is Launchpad?N [12:01] oh, yes, for the tooltip its fine ... [12:01] "Connect to the Launchpad website to help translating this application" ? === hunger does not find the onlinehelp very helpful. [12:02] hunger, so contribute to it to make it better ;) [12:02] vuntz_: "Launchpad website" ... seems clear it's a website :) [12:02] seb128: right, but I don't trust a website I don't know... [12:02] vuntz_: dunno if that would be confusing to people to have the Launchpad name [12:03] vuntz_: we can't put a complete description of what launchpad is in a tooltip :) [12:03] I agree :-) [12:03] might be good to have the launchpad name, to make it a stronger brand [12:03] it's just that there should be some document explaning what launchpad is [12:03] in ubuntu-docs [12:04] vuntz_: sounds good [12:04] maybe after the LPI paragraph [12:04] don't ask me to write it :-) [12:04]