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| fabbione | BenC: please pull from my repo on people: changes are only redhat-cluster-suite related. | 10:28 |
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| BenC | fabbione: ok | 01:19 |
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| fabbione | BenC: thanks | 02:59 |
| fabbione | BenC: ping? | 03:07 |
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| zul | heylo | 03:16 |
| BenC | fabbione: pong | 03:17 |
| fabbione | BenC: yo | 03:18 |
| fabbione | BenC: is there any reason why ia64 has no OCFS2? | 03:18 |
| fabbione | also.. for i386/amd64 it should probably move to -server only | 03:18 |
| fabbione | it doesn't make much sense to have it in desktop :) | 03:18 |
| fabbione | BenC: note that OCFS2 pulls in CONFIGFS | 03:24 |
| fabbione | so they need to move together | 03:24 |
| fabbione | i did try to play with the config script but it did mess up here | 03:24 |
| fabbione | so i wasn't sure how to make it properly | 03:24 |
| fabbione | well.. other than with vi | 03:24 |
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| BenC | fabbione: I'll enable it for ia64 (not sure why it isn't), and get things moved to just -server on i386 and amd64 | 03:58 |
| BenC | OCFS2 needs to move, what about cluster aswell? | 03:58 |
| fabbione | BenC: you rock! | 03:58 |
| fabbione | cluster too | 03:58 |
| fabbione | cluster moves together with GFS | 03:58 |
| fabbione | as it is now, for me it's more important to get a coherent config where i can install one kernel on each arch and get GFS and OCFS2 | 03:59 |
| fabbione | we can sort them at the sprint in details | 03:59 |
| BenC | ok, so all desktop kernels (in i386 and amd64 where we have server kernels) should have GFS, CLUSTER and OCFS2 disabled | 04:01 |
| BenC | is CONFIGFS needed in desktop after that? | 04:02 |
| BenC | it may end up being needed by a thirdparty module, so maybe just leave it there | 04:02 |
| fabbione | as it is now, the only client for CONFIGFS is OCFS2 | 04:03 |
| fabbione | i think what you suggest make sense afterall | 04:03 |
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| BenC | ok, done | 04:07 |
| BenC | btw, benh sent me a patch to support dual-core G5's and iMac G5 with isight | 04:07 |
| BenC | backported from 2.6.16-git | 04:07 |
| fabbione | ah cool | 04:13 |
| fabbione | Mark will like that :) | 04:13 |
| zul | whats the url for live cds again | 04:16 |
| fabbione | cdimage.u.c/ | 04:17 |
| zul | thanks i knew it was something like that it just escaped me ofr a minute | 04:18 |
| BenC | is it hoary -> warty -> breezy, or warty -> hoary -> breezy? | 04:21 |
| fabbione | the latter | 04:22 |
| BenC | ok, thanks | 04:22 |
| fabbione | warty -> hoary -> breezy | 04:22 |
| fabbione | whorey -> (w)horey -> | 04:22 |
| BenC | starting dapper test builds, and working on security for those three while it's going | 04:23 |
| BenC | hehe | 04:23 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 04:23 |
| fabbione | BenC: i have the old breezy binutils in my ~ on chinstrap | 04:23 |
| fabbione | i hope i can manage to do to test kernels tomorrow | 04:23 |
| fabbione | otherwise it will be when i am back | 04:23 |
| BenC | bcollins@grayson:~$ build-start-all | 04:24 |
| BenC | green: build started | 04:24 |
| BenC | emucade: build started | 04:24 |
| BenC | zachery: build started | 04:24 |
| BenC | frag: build started | 04:24 |
| BenC | hippo: build started | 04:24 |
| === BenC loves his build scripts | ||
| fabbione | nice | 04:24 |
| fabbione | isn't missing one? | 04:24 |
| fabbione | 6 arches... | 04:24 |
| BenC | I don't have amd64, and I haven't setup ronne yet | 04:24 |
| fabbione | ah ok | 04:24 |
| BenC | those are ppc, i386, sparc64, ia64, hppa, in that order | 04:25 |
| fabbione | i think you should push i386 to ronne, ppc to davis and ia64 to halley | 04:25 |
| BenC | sparc64 always finishes first :) | 04:25 |
| fabbione | and keep only sparc64 and hppa | 04:25 |
| fabbione | speaking of zachery..it did crash on me twice building OOo2 | 04:26 |
| BenC | I build them locally, since I also test boot them when I'm done, and doing 80-100 megs download after it's finished doesn't play well with my satellite FAP crap | 04:26 |
| fabbione | hmm right | 04:26 |
| fabbione | but on the other side we should publish these images at some point | 04:26 |
| BenC | all of them builds pretty quick, except i386 | 04:27 |
| zul | BenC: ooh share the script.. | 04:27 |
| BenC | these are going to be 2.6.15-12, so they'll get published within a day :) | 04:27 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 04:27 |
| BenC | zul: it's just a couple of shell scripts, really simple | 04:27 |
| BenC | starts a screened build on each machine | 04:28 |
| BenC | I can tar them up at some point | 04:28 |
| zul | yeah but i want to incorporate yours with mine..;) | 04:28 |
| fabbione | zul: let's do the other way | 04:28 |
| fabbione | give us your | 04:28 |
| fabbione | and we will integrate into ours :) | 04:28 |
| zul | sure | 04:28 |
| BenC | build-{prep,start,status,stop,watch,attach}{,-all} | 04:28 |
| BenC | that's all of them | 04:28 |
| BenC | I can do "build-prep green" to clean the build, and push git, and build-watch just tails, build-attach attaches to the screen session | 04:29 |
| BenC | watch,attach don't have a -all obviously | 04:29 |
| BenC | build-prep also checkes for local changes that I might have done on the build system | 04:31 |
| BenC | keeps me from losing fixes :) | 04:31 |
| fabbione | ehhe | 04:31 |
| zul | right now i have 2 scripts.. | 04:32 |
| BenC | none of mine are any longer than 10 lines, but I do have a do_build script on each machine so that it will set the right concurrency and stuff (still less than 10 lines) | 04:35 |
| zul | first one reads a config file to pull from and the second scripts does the build, rips out the arches that i dont want | 04:39 |
| fabbione | later guys | 04:39 |
| BenC | later fabio | 04:39 |
| fabbione | BenC: meh i forgot to add stuff to debian/changelog | 04:40 |
| fabbione | do you want to do that for me? | 04:40 |
| fabbione | it's just the update for the redhat cluster suite | 04:40 |
| fabbione | to 20060112 CVS | 04:40 |
| fabbione | nothing fancy | 04:40 |
| fabbione | gotta run to school | 04:40 |
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| BenC | ok | 04:40 |
| fabbione | cheers mate | 04:40 |
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| BenC | fabbione: ping | 05:45 |
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| Seveas | --- Topic for #ubuntu-kernel is Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | 06:40 |
| Seveas | is a question about the kernels used on Ubuntu, which is not directly related to kernel development OK too? | 06:40 |
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| Mithrandir | Seveas: don't ask to ask | 06:52 |
| Seveas | Mithrandir, hehe, y'never know how strict they are in here | 06:53 |
| Seveas | ok, here's the deal: somewhere between 2.6.10 and 2.6.12 mmap changed and now returns 'random' addresses (ie cat /proc/self/maps is always the same in 2.6.10 and always different in 2.6.12). Can someone point me to where this change is documented? | 06:55 |
| Seveas | It severely ruins my graduation project and the things I've been working on during the last 15 months | 06:55 |
| zul | you can probably do a git bisect but dont ask me how to do one | 07:02 |
| dilinger | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.12-rc1 | 07:04 |
| dilinger | i assume what you're looking for is "mmap rand" | 07:04 |
| Seveas | dilinger, yes, thank you! | 07:05 |
| dilinger | np | 07:05 |
| Seveas | will prelink also make sure ld.so is always in the same location in memory? | 07:06 |
| dilinger | the comment seems to imply that prelinked binaries will not have randomized mmap base addresses | 07:07 |
| dilinger | however, the ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE thing is probably what you'd want if you're looking to disable it | 07:08 |
| Seveas | then I would have to prelink ld.so itself | 07:08 |
| Seveas | hmm, then I'll have to look up what personalities are | 07:08 |
| dilinger | are you seeing ld.so at random addresses? | 07:08 |
| Seveas | yes | 07:09 |
| Seveas | and my application kind-of depends on the fact that that does not happen | 07:09 |
| dilinger | i'm not sure if you can PRELINK ld.so, but i guess it couldn't hurt to try | 07:09 |
| Seveas | hmm, how do personalities work in debian/ubuntu? apt-file search setarch returns only something completely unrelated | 07:11 |
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| zul | ds: which laptop? | 07:43 |
| ds | EMachines M5312 | 07:44 |
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| ds | zul: do you happen to know if this is a kernel bug, or just a ACPI stupidity that needs to be worked around? | 08:14 |
| zul | i dont get the same with my laptop you might want to open a bug.. | 08:15 |
| zul | or just acpi stupidity | 08:15 |
| dilinger | Seveas: *shrug* :) | 08:15 |
| cjb | ds: The kernel doesn't keep an exhaustive list of ACPI weirdnesses. I'd say it's unlikely to be a kernel bug, but go ahead and file it. | 08:18 |
| mjg59 | ds: Windows doesn't use that information, so some machines just lie | 08:20 |
| cjb | Coo, it doesn't? "Let me guess, it handles lid closing in the video driver." | 08:26 |
| mjg59 | Oh, it picks up the lid events, but yeah - the video driver is responsible for what happens next | 08:27 |
| Seveas | hmm | 08:34 |
| Seveas | kinux-kernel-headers is at 2.6.11 on breezy | 08:34 |
| mjg59 | linux-kernel-headers | 08:34 |
| Seveas | yes :) | 08:34 |
| Seveas | but it's still weird that it's at 2.6.11 | 08:35 |
| Seveas | <dilinger> however, the ADDR_NO_RANDOMIZE thing is probably what you'd want if you're looking to disable it <-- yes, that worked perfectly! | 08:39 |
| Seveas | dilinger, muchos gracias, you just saved my graduation project :) | 08:39 |
| zul | dilinger: arent you special ;) | 08:39 |
| Seveas | more importantly: you saved me having to run my experiments on a crappy old red hat cluster with linux 2.4.1, Now I can continue at the spiffy new sarge HPC cluster :) | 08:40 |
| Seveas | saved me from* | 08:40 |
| dilinger | hehe | 08:50 |
| dilinger | one of these days, i should get myself one of those college degree thingies | 08:57 |
| zul | you can probably buy one | 08:57 |
| Seveas | I have several offers in my mailbox if you're interested ;) | 09:00 |
| Seveas | they come included with fake rolex and penis enlargements | 09:00 |
| === BenC is glad no on ever asks him if he has a degree | ||
| dilinger | BenC: my current employer was pretty surpised that i didn't have a BS | 09:34 |
| dilinger | but that didn't stop them from hiring me | 09:34 |
| BenC | the only time I was ever asked about it was a guy from Sun that I sent my resume to about 4 years ago | 09:35 |
| BenC | he actually called me, to tell me that I was wasting my time with "all this open source stuff", that I should switch to applications development instead of embedded/kernel work, and that he pretty much wouldn't hire me, even at a measly $24k/year (when I was making way more than that already), and that I better go get a degree from a major college (not just a degree, but an ivey league degree), else I was doomed to be a loser | 09:36 |
| dilinger | i'm planning on going back to school soon, but it won't be for CS | 09:36 |
| dilinger | i'm going to do it for the right reasons this time: girls. | 09:36 |
| mjg59 | dilinger: An excellent plan | 09:36 |
| BenC | and I'm not kidding about any of that, it's exactly how he put it | 09:37 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Aw GROUP HUG | 09:37 |
| dilinger | going to school thinking i'd get an education was a huge letdown | 09:37 |
| BenC | dilinger: that's my only regret about not going to college :) | 09:37 |
| dilinger | BenC: i would've hung up on him if he started telling me that | 09:38 |
| BenC | mjg59: see, open source is good...I have a support group :) | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | PhDs are great in that respect | 09:38 |
| dilinger | "stop wasting my time. *click*" | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | Actualy, it might just be mine | 09:38 |
| BenC | you have a PhD? | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | It's my day job | 09:38 |
| BenC | now PhD's are something to brag about | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | I'll be finished in about a year with a bit of luck | 09:38 |
| mjg59 | But it means I get to be old and mature and have a larger disposable income while surrounded by undergrads | 09:39 |
| BenC | most CS BS degree holders that I met outside of open source, are just a joke | 09:39 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I'm doing genetics, not CS | 09:39 |
| BenC | mjg59: undergrads :) | 09:39 |
| BenC | genetics, that's an interesting departure from ACPI :) | 09:40 |
| mjg59 | I find ACPI an interestig departure from genetics | 09:40 |
| mjg59 | It makes more sense than fruitflies do | 09:40 |
| BenC | lol | 09:40 |
| BenC | what is your thesis on? | 09:40 |
| mjg59 | No matter how much crack somebody was on when they designed a specification, it makes more sense than real life does | 09:40 |
| mjg59 | Computational locating of RNA elements involved in gene localisation | 09:41 |
| dilinger | mjg59: at my prior job, i had to do a lot of interviews. people w/ CS degrees were a dime a dozen, and in most cases weren't worth hiring. there were also people w/out degrees, but w/ more real world experience, that seemed a lot more valuable | 09:41 |
| dilinger | er, s/mjg59/BenC/ | 09:41 |
| BenC | dilinger: one good thing about open source, you don't need to ask for paper to find out if someone is clueful, just search google | 09:42 |
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| dilinger | BenC: i need to do something about my blog coming up as the first entry when you search for my name :) | 09:43 |
| === cjb has a CS degree, which was valuable only to the extent that understanding Unix is about three years worth of a full-time job, and it gave me the time to do that. | ||
| kozz | I have tried to run mkvmlinuz with the 2.6.15 kernel, but there seems to be some files missing | 09:43 |
| BenC | heh, my old DPL candidacy letter comes up when you search mine name...I'm embarrased to see it anymore :) | 09:43 |
| kozz | for 2.6.12 they lie in /usr/lib/linux-image-2.6.12-10-powerpc | 09:43 |
| kozz | some object files | 09:43 |
| BenC | kozz: yeah, the build process didn't include them anymore, but I didn't think we had any oldworld users (since we didn't even support oldworld install) | 09:44 |
| kozz | BenC: it's for Pegasos | 09:44 |
| BenC | is pegasos CONFIG_PPC_MAPLE? | 09:44 |
| kozz | no, CHRP | 09:44 |
| mjg59 | Pegasos is CONFIG_PPC_CRACK | 09:45 |
| BenC | ah, good, MAPLE is going away | 09:45 |
| mjg59 | But yeah, it's basically CHRP | 09:45 |
| BenC | kozz: sorry, I'm having a hard time keeping non-standard (e.g. non-powermac) support because of all the ARCH=powerpc changes in the kernel | 09:45 |
| kozz | mjg59: basically? | 09:45 |
| BenC | but anyone with such a system is more than welcome to send me patches to get the build to do the right thing | 09:46 |
| mjg59 | kozz: Some of the interrupt setup stuff seemed a bit funny | 09:46 |
| kozz | BenC: I see, I have tried to create them but hasn't managed to do it | 09:46 |
| mjg59 | It never booted with the stock kernel CHRP support | 09:46 |
| kozz | stock kernel CHRP? it has always worked to boot the zImage.chrp kernel out of the box before | 09:47 |
| mjg59 | kozz: With kernel.org source? | 09:48 |
| kozz | yes | 09:48 |
| mjg59 | Uhm. | 09:48 |
| kozz | supported since 2.6.11 | 09:48 |
| mjg59 | Right | 09:48 |
| mjg59 | Sorry, I meant "Never used to boot" | 09:48 |
| mjg59 | It needed some specific patches because some of the setup code is different | 09:48 |
| kozz | yes I know | 09:49 |
| kozz | but that is not the case anymore ;) | 09:49 |
| mjg59 | Right | 09:49 |
| mjg59 | But it always seemed "mostly CHRP" rather than "CHRP" | 09:49 |
| kozz | right, I don't know | 09:49 |
| kozz | hmm, now BenC left | 09:50 |
| kozz | but how did it work before to create all those files, for the 2.6.12 kernel I mean | 09:51 |
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| fabbione | BenC: pong | 10:06 |
| BenC | fabbione: nm | 10:29 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok :) | 10:30 |
| BenC | I have breezy/hoary/warty ready, just waiting on the last CVE from pitti | 10:30 |
| fabbione | BenC: ok cool | 10:30 |
| BenC | green: building | 10:31 |
| BenC | building: powerpc-smp(modules) | 10:31 |
| BenC | unbuilt : powerpc | 10:31 |
| BenC | unbuilt : powerpc64-smp | 10:31 |
| BenC | emucade: building | 10:31 |
| BenC | building: server-bigiron(modules) | 10:31 |
| BenC | unbuilt : server k7 686 386 | 10:31 |
| BenC | unbuilt : | 10:31 |
| BenC | zachery: idle | 10:31 |
| BenC | frag: idle | 10:31 |
| BenC | hippo: idle | 10:31 |
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| fabbione | nice | 10:31 |
| BenC | first unbuilt should be built, but no matter | 10:31 |
| fabbione | oh i see | 10:31 |
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| hile | I just filed a trivial bug for 2.6.15-x kernels, #22351 | 11:26 |
| hile | just wanted to ask if there is any reason _not_ set number of UARTs from 4 to 8 (see bug for details) | 11:26 |
| makx | you don't want to spam the user with useless tty's | 11:44 |
| makx | post 2.6.15 it's a boot variable | 11:44 |
| hile | already with current builds, or later? ok, I'll close the bug then | 11:46 |
| hile | thanks anyway ;) | 11:52 |
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