=== dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nomed [n=debaser@host82-194.pool8254.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LoneVVolf [n=lonevvol@85-124-12-244.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : 12 Jan 08:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 12 Jan 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 13 Jan 14:00 UTC: Documentation Team Meeting | 17 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 24 Jan 21:00 UTC: Community Council === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:robitaille] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 12 Jan 08:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 12 Jan 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 13 Jan 14:00 UTC: Documentation Team Meeting | 17 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 24 Jan 21:00 UTC: Community Council === Lathiat [i=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgundavia [n=corey@24.68.149.225] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B10F4.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["So] === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:56] hey === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === infinity [n=adconrad@203-214-4-60.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:58] is everyone here? [08:58] good morning [08:58] Morning [08:58] hello [08:58] ehlo === Mez waves === pitti waves to mdz [08:58] hi [08:59] evening [08:59] morning [08:59] hello [08:59] good morning [09:00] *yawn* [09:00] JaneW: ping? === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:01] fabbione,Keybuk,infinity,BenC,daniels: ping [09:01] yeah, I'm here ;) [09:01] mdz: pong [09:01] pong [09:01] pong. [09:01] hi all === fabbione needs 2 minutes to write up [09:02] hey JaneW, how are you [09:02] does anyone know if BenC is about? [09:02] pitti: good thanks and you? [09:02] fine [09:02] mdz: he is not but I have an update from him [09:02] mdz: he only just joined #u-d [09:02] mdz: he should. he knew the meeting was today [09:02] mdz: I have an update from daniels and sivang too [09:02] Keybuk: his client rejoins every 20 minutes or so due to network problems [09:03] JaneW: did he send you an update because he had a reason he couldn't be here? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:04] mdz: there was no explanation or comment, just the update, - testing-server-hardware [09:04] JaneW: I see, please paste what you have for BenC and daniels [09:04] BenC [09:04] preventing-hardware-support-regressions: Build system tested, will start [09:04] pushing builds this week. Afterwards will announce to the community for [09:04] testing. [09:04] ubuntu-server-kernel: Done (marked implemented in lp). [09:05] Daniels [09:05] x-roadmap: x11r7 final in, polishing xorg source package for imminent [09:05] post-fl3 upload [09:05] misc: broken laptop screen and dsl hilarity make for interesting [09:05] availability, generally smsable within reasonable hours [09:05] JaneW: what about testing-server-hardware? [09:05] like I said above... his report was -testing-server-hardware [09:05] I did e-mail and ask about it tho [09:06] oh, I thought you were saying he gave an update for testing-server-hardware specifically [09:06] oh you mean "minus" rather than a bullet [09:06] ok [09:06] yes sorry, the hyphens confussed the issue [09:07] ok [09:07] dholbach: next [09:07] formal-test-plans: talked with BenC about hardware-regressions, added Instructions on how to report bugs from testing, referred to DebuggingProcedures; needs fleshing out, but i consider the pages 'ready to go' - media testing needs test files, jdub didn't want to have example-content used for this, we'll link to test files from Media/Testing [09:07] this week (done): package updates, bug triage, bug day, some merges [09:07] this week (todo): motu meeting, more merges, bug triage [09:07] next week: bug triage, more package updates, merges, starting apt-get.org reviews === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-167-232.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:07] dholbach: what's the reason not to use example-content? [09:08] mdz: jdub considers it as something "for end users" not for "developers", although i said, that i didn't want to ship all sorts of broken stuff, he didnt like the idea [09:08] dholbach: it's something we'll include in the default install, it's natural to use it for testing [09:09] he gave me the idea of investigating in the test files of the gstreamer development team [09:09] ok [09:09] thanks dholbach [09:09] de rien [09:09] doko: next? [09:09] that sounds like it would test the things that already work? [09:09] this week: [09:09] - openoffice.org: 2.0.1 packages built on breezy (for breezy-updates?), start merging with unstable, renaming the packages [09:09] - python-roadmap: python-central update, preparing snapshot version for testing [09:09] - toolchain-roadmap: ia64 fixes, prepare for amd64 biarch update [09:09] - other: syncs/merges, updates to new upstream versions, eclipse update (needs mozilla-dev update), half yearly ISDN updates, happy about ronne's disk space [09:09] or do they have an a-priori good spread of test files? [09:09] next week: [09:10] - openoffice.org: sync week, i.e. dictionary and locale support (kurdish merge) [09:10] status: [09:10] - toolchain-roadmap: amd64-biarch (blocked on fixing a glibc amd64-i386 self-bootstrap) [09:10] - toolchain-dapper+1: blocked by preparation of wanna-build and buildd infrastructure (no change) [09:10] dholbach: ping me sometime tomorrow to chat about it if there is still a question, we need to keep going [09:10] - openoffice-gnome: not started, need an update from martink [09:10] - openoffice-help: implemented (no change) [09:10] - openoffice-spellchecking: not started (no change) [09:10] - native-java-gcj: infrastructure is ready, packaging of -gcj binary packages not started [09:10] - java-roadmap: mostly done, pending are eclipse updates (blocked by firefox-dev/mozilla-dev) and the native-java-gcj support [09:10] - python-roadmap: proposal implemented, testing outside the archive now. [09:10] mdz: ok [09:10] doko: renaming = openoffice.org2 -> openoffice.org? [09:10] yes [09:10] is there any real value in that? it will complicate upgrades [09:11] we cannot support dictionaries for both versions (1 and 2), so we have to either derive for all dictionary package from debian, or make the name change as well [09:12] doko: is the biarch bootstrap an infinity task? [09:12] I don't think the change will be that complicated for the end user [09:12] doko: please talk with mvo about how it should be handled in the upgrade tool [09:12] mdz: currently Mithrandir is looking at it [09:12] we've already gone openoffice.org -> openoffice.org2 in previous releases, going back should be relatively straightforward I'd expect [09:12] mdz: I took over the "fixing glibc" task from jbailey while he's off galavanting. [09:12] mdz: will take the upgrade with mvo [09:13] mdz: Mithrandir had a poke last night, I'm back at it today to see where it went wrong. :) [09:13] doko: are we using the python-support work being done in Debian now? [09:13] (or working with them, I guess) [09:13] Kamion: .org -> .org2 was sort of a mess; if they now conflict that will be easier but still [09:13] Kamion: not yet, I'm talking with Joss about merging the two [09:13] doko: is the help system bounty completed? [09:14] ok, great, there was a lot of good analysis of the problem domain on #debian-release (which you saw, I know) so sharing that would be good [09:14] mdz: from my point of view, yes, it does build. hope, it will not break for 2.0.2 ;) [09:15] doko: ok, please send me a reminder to deal with the payment [09:15] mdz: ok [09:15] thanks, doko [09:15] fabbione: next [09:15] * server-candy: system-integrity-check: fixed performance issues. Deploy is blocked on admins (rt: #723). Started other activities l [09:15] ike collecting 3rd party pkgs and so on. [09:15] * ubuntu-cluster: full upgrades of currently supported suites. Performed some tests and bug fixes (redhat-cluster-suite). Missing to test OCFS2. [09:15] * probe-for-root-filesystem: no progress. Probably needs reassigment to somebody else. [09:15] * boot-from-usb: implemented. [09:15] * merges: zlib - still pending libc6-i386-dev, one merge (partman-auto-lvm) is pending but nothing scary or urgent. [09:15] * last week: server-candy, ubuntu-cluster, boot-from-usb. [09:15] * next week: vac. Tomorrow i will be merging the last bits around and testing OCFS2 so there will be no need for updates at the next [09:15] meeting. [09:16] fabbione: Is the zlib merge just pending on that as a build-dep, but otherwise done? [09:16] infinity: no it needs to be done from scratch [09:16] Mithrandir: do you have some free bandwidth to help finish off probe-for-root-filesystem? [09:16] fabbione: If so, you can reassign the merge to me, give me your sources, and I'll make sure it's sorted within minutes of the biarch stuff being unbroken. [09:16] mdz: sure, I can probably reuse some casper stuff. [09:16] infinity: i will reassign the bug, but i have no sources. [09:16] fabbione: Oh, if it's Real Effort(tm), then you're welcome to keep it. :) [09:16] mdz: give me a minute to skim the spec before giving it to me [09:16] Mithrandir: great; the remaining piece is just to have it mount by uuid I think. fabbione can fill you in [09:16] infinity: it needs to go in before UVF and i won't be here next week [09:17] fabbione: Oh, then reassign it, yes. [09:17] fabbione: enjoy your vacation, have a good rest [09:17] mdz: assuming we are going, yes thanks :) [09:17] infinity: yup [09:17] mdz: looks simple enough. [09:17] fabbione: you will take the time off even if you do not travel, right? [09:17] Mithrandir: i will talk to you about it after the meeting [09:17] mdz: yes, but i will be around if we don't travel. [09:17] mdz: I need to get my USB hard drive back, but that should be today or tomorrow or so. [09:18] Mithrandir: ok [09:18] fabbione: thanks [09:18] infinity: next [09:18] welcome :) [09:18] Last week: [09:18] * reducing duplication: Got MySQL 5.0 in, did some rapid bugfixing to get the packaging sane. (have joined the Debian MySQL team to make sure it gets enough polish) [09:18] * usplash-initramfs: Implement dirty hack for this that seems to work fine. Eventually needs more work to do it "right" in usplash itself. [09:18] * misc: security, initramfs bugfixing, new LRM, new PHP, livefs changes for Mithrandir, random installability/buildability fixes in line with ongoing buildd maintenance. [09:18] Next week: [09:18] * reducing duplication: Begin rebuilding all of main to use libmysqlclient15, and kick MySQL 4.x to universe [09:18] * splash-down: Should have time to get this one in this week. [09:18] * misc: - glibc amd64-i386 biarch needs bootstrapping (but first, an irritating bug that Tollef and I spent several hours on last night needs to be hunted and killed) - need to merge subversion_1.3 for the masses (doko's request, but I agree we want it for release) - need to hunt down a kernel frequency_scaling bug that's preventing my laptop from working at full speed. :) [09:18] the last update has a note for us to discuss mysql 5.0; I think we're in agreement there per email conversations [09:19] I'd say so. [09:19] infinity: any note about db4.4, or do we go with 4.3? [09:19] I think we'll stick with 4.3 === pitti agrees [09:20] well, most packages should play well with any version, so if we need to upgrade, there are no blockers [09:20] Sleepycat's upstream support is good (for EVER), so there's no concern there, and 4.4 is completely untested in Debian/Ubuntu, so I don't want to risk it. [09:20] infinity: sounds like we can call usplash-initramfs implemented [09:20] But 4.3 and 4.4 both have versioned symbols, so if we need to bring it in, it probably won't hurt anyone to have a mix. [09:20] infinity: livefs changes includes squashfs images? [09:20] (I'd prefer not to have a mix) [09:20] mdz: Yes, we have squash. [09:21] cool [09:21] mdz: On amd64 right now, will turn it on on the other arches as soon as we've had a successful amd64 build that we've tested and know works. :) [09:21] Kamion: should be trivial to switch the daily builds to use squashfs, yes? [09:21] mdz: Already done. [09:22] mdz: already done [09:22] is there a build available with the change? [09:22] (and yes, was trivial except for me getting it wrong the first time) [09:22] mdz: it's also a trivial per-arch switch, so we can switch ppc back to cloop if we deem unionfs too unstable === ealden_ [n=ealden@ipdial-189-46.tri-isys.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:22] mdz: on amd64, yes, but it doesn't boot yet for other reasons [09:22] mdz: Yes, but it's broken due to initramfs messing up. I'll build again after the meeting. [09:22] ok, looking forward to testing that [09:22] thanks infinity [09:22] iwj: next [09:23] AutomatedTesting: Making reasonable progress on implementation. Tester core is about half-done now. From last week: Apparently the IBM LTC are interested in this too and there's going to be a call (organised by Malcom Yates I think) - but this has all gone quiet. [09:23] Firefox maintenance: The package isn't quite so hopeless since my upload at the end of last week. Not working on it this week (so as to get AutomatedTesting done). [09:23] DefaultApplicationsFirefox: no change since last report. I will pick this up properly when AutomatedTesting is done. [09:23] DeveloperDocumentation: Not started, not blocked. [09:23] Email and bugs backlog: moderate. [09:23] iwj: what remains on DefaultApplicationsFirefox again? [09:23] It's basically still buggy. [09:23] hmm [09:23] For example, it's hard to select a non-default application. [09:24] did you have a chance to do that examination of epiphany? [09:24] And I'm told it has a security problem with .desktop files. [09:24] a security problem? [09:24] iwj: does Firefox maintenance include mozilla maintainance as well (at least until mozilla-dev is installable again) === pitti doesn't know anything [09:24] Apparently you can download them and then clicky clicky gnome will run them. [09:24] doko: It does in the sense that I'm not doing it this week. [09:25] Yes, we ought to talk about mozilla. [09:25] right, GNOME will display the Name= of the .desktop as title and use the Icon= and run whatever command is used [09:25] ouch [09:25] I haen't looked at epiphany yet. That definitely counts as ff maintenance :-). [09:25] do we need mozilla in main? [09:25] pitti, ouch ? [09:25] pitti: we had this discussion on ubuntu-devel some months ago I think [09:25] pitti, you can only run existing apps [09:25] mdz: No, it's on its way out. Once I split enigmail, nothing's holding it in. [09:26] ogra_ibook: like rm -rf ... [09:26] ogra_ibook: with arbitrary arguments, and gksudo is an existing app [09:26] ok [09:26] oh, yes [09:26] I made nspr and nss come out of ff to try to get mozilla out of main. [09:26] doko: so mozilla-dev shouldn't be blocking anything, no? [09:26] silly me [09:26] seb128: hm, I don't remember that [09:26] mdz: currently eclipse doesn't work with firefox 1.5, ok that's universe, but currently mozilla-dev isn't even installable, and firefox-dev doesn't built on amd64 and ia64 [09:27] The 64-bit problem I will fix but not until next week. [09:27] ok [09:27] pitti: what epy issue? [09:27] This only affects things that embed ff. [09:27] pitti, in the beginning of breezy there was a discussion about autostart on CDs, i think it inherited from this one [09:28] iwj: do you have an ETA for something basically functional for automated testing? [09:28] ogra_ibook, seb128: let's discuss that in #u-devel [09:28] That depends on how badly ff eats me next week, I think. [09:28] pitti: Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2005 18:55:21 -0500, Subject: Scary .desktop behaviour [09:28] pitti: for the security issue [09:28] It's possible I'll finish it and produce something playable-with the end of this week but I'm not promising that. [09:29] ok [09:29] thanks iwj [09:29] Kamion: next [09:29] Of course there's hardly any tests. Just one example for now that I'm playing with, sitting on my hard disk. [09:29] ue-partitioning-tool: Got partman running under espresso, which makes the autopartitioning screen work. Basic progress bar handling and chaining to gparted implemented. Some bug fixes still required to make it all flow smoothly enough to use, but we're getting close. Various UI changes in partman will be needed further down the line. [09:29] ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem: Tollef has made /rofs available to me with the unmodified file system; I've changed the espresso code to use it. Agreed hook scheme for casper to propagate configuration. [09:29] cd-bootloader: Killed scary timeout clock, fixed some video mode menu bugs, and fixed syslinux to clear the screen properly when switching back to text mode. Still to do: help text and keymap support. [09:29] misc: Helped switch live CDs to squashfs (with Adam/Tollef). I'm preparing Flight CD 3 now; exact ETA unknown but obviously ASAP; help with testing appreciated, especially for Kubuntu/Edubuntu; broken live CD boot process being fixed (we hope) at the moment. [09:29] blocked: nothing much [09:29] next-week: merge catch-up; get espresso up to the point where I can do a test install as long as I avoid the UI bugs (should be feasible, I think) [09:30] Kamion: what's the plan for the keymaps in cd-bootloader? [09:30] Kamion: I should test today's dailys for kubuntu on all arches then? [09:31] Riddell, you should do that every day :P [09:31] mdz: waiting for keymapper to switch to X keymaps (Tollef's looking at this), then scrape out the list of keymaps in much the same way as we do for locales and stick them in a menu [09:31] Riddell: Test the installation CDs, don't bother with Live until someone gives a go-ahead in #ubuntu-devel. [09:31] Riddell: what infinity said [09:31] Kamion: for flight 3, please poll everyone for items which should be included in the release announcement, especially new features which are ready to test, and infrastructure which needs to be regression-tested [09:31] mdz: if feasible and I have time, limit the keymap menu to those optimal for the current locale [09:31] mdz: ok, I'll see if I can track down the guy who did that excellent wiki page for Flight 2 [09:32] DapperFlight2 [09:32] Kamion: did the flight 2 announcement go to -users and -devel as in the past? [09:32] Kamion: I'm thinking we should start announcing them on -announce [09:32] Kamion, DapperFlight3 already exists and has content going in === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i577B06D0.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:32] rah, DapperFlight3 already exists [09:32] Burgundavia: yeah, just noticed :) [09:32] sorry, flew out [09:32] mdz: -users and -devel-announce, and I've been warning that it might be just -devel-announce in the future [09:32] Riddell / ogra_ibook / everybody who cares about live cds: it's very, very important to keep -desktop installable, else, you won't get new live images and stuff breaks. Also, make sure to merge seeds, since we've seen that cause live failures with user-setup. [09:33] I'm vacillating on that; a lot of people on -users aren't on -devel-announce [09:33] Mithrandir> merge seeds *and* upload -meta to cope [09:33] Mithrandir, yup, known here ... [09:33] (since the live CD build process relies on -meta) [09:33] Kamion: a lot of the people who we want to regression-test the Flight CDs are not on -devel-announce [09:34] and people want to hear more on -announce [09:34] fridge-devel too :) [09:34] mdz: oh right, you actually mean -announce [09:34] Kamion: That could be changes, but since livefs builds are about the only real-world automated test we have right now to prove that the metapackages work... [09:34] ok, can do; ubuntu-announce and fridge-devel then? [09:35] Riddell, ogra_ibook: you should be merging your seeds regularly, e.g. if you see an ubuntu-meta upload there are probably changes you need to merge [09:35] infinity: yeah [09:35] Kamion: sounds good [09:35] Kamion: thanks [09:35] Keybuk: next [09:35] mdz, yup, i normally do ... [09:35] urgent-reboot-notification: Stole this spec off the nobody it was assigned to (it was linked from the udev-roadmap) and implemented it. [09:35] streamlined-boot: in progress; have designed new readahead stuff [09:35] network-magic: ifupdown mods finished, need to test and upload. network-manager still blocked on infinity (madwifi-ng) and jbailey (libc resolved patch) [09:35] next week: the same, but more so; merges [09:36] Keybuk: is there anything further in streamlined-boot which has much regression potential? [09:36] readahead should be pretty tame in that respect [09:36] mdz: no, it's mostly just careful adjusting and tweaking [09:36] Keybuk: uh, you're doing evil stuff to readahead? What's that? [09:36] *checks his board* [09:36] nope, definitely all the scary stuff is done [09:36] Mithrandir: will discuss out-of-band if you like [09:36] Keybuk: now that jbailey is finished with the biarch work, he shouldn't be holding a lock on glibc anymore, no? [09:37] should be ok to upload that patch [09:37] mdz: aye, he said he'd do it a few weeks ago, then two weeks ago, then one week ago [09:37] Keybuk: please, since I have evil plans for readahead magic for the live cds. [09:37] :p [09:37] I have the current lock, actually. [09:37] Mithrandir: ok, then we should definitely talk; straight after this meeting? [09:37] Keybuk: sure [09:37] Keybuk: If the patch is sane, toss it to me, and I'll put it in the "fix the bloody biarch bootstrap" upload. [09:37] infinity: ok, perhaps you can merge that ptach along teh way then [09:37] it's been discussed and agreed upon already [09:37] Rock. [09:38] Keybuk: Patch and/or bug# SVP. My INBOX wants love. [09:38] infinity: [09:38] http://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2004-09/msg00130.html [09:38] Keybuk: thanks [09:38] Keybuk: does NM have a realistic change to make it before feature freeze? === LoneVVolf [n=lonevvol@213.164.22.2] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:38] Lathiat: do you have anything to report on zeroconf? [09:38] pitti: depends on infinity [09:38] pitti: but I don't see why not [09:38] NM is mostly a problem due to the kernel support at the moment [09:39] Mithrandir: next [09:39] openoffice-amd64: no progress [09:39] live-cd-performance: squashfs images are now produced, should speed up the cd a fair bit. Readahead/inotify hacks are being worked on, but not there yet. [09:39] one-true-path: no progress [09:39] simplified-livecd: almost there. keyboard selection is missing, espresso integration is missing [09:39] network-authentication: no progress, doubtful it'll make feature freeze [09:39] livecd-squashfs: implemented [09:39] livecd-unionfs. implemented, but has problems on powerpc. I'm working on it with BenC. [09:39] misc: done a bit of d-i keyboard hackery so we can hopefully switch to using X keymaps in both console and X. [09:39] Blocked on: nothing, I have plenty to do and work is progressing [09:39] This week: Get simplified-livecd done, help Colin with Flight3, hopefully some live-cd-performance hacking [09:39] Mithrandir: let's drop network-authentication officially [09:40] mdz: defer for dapper+1, I guess, not drop? [09:40] Mithrandir: drop from dapper, yes [09:40] sure [09:40] Mithrandir: looking good, thanks [09:40] mdz: I just mailed you an update from krstic... [09:40] mjg59: power-management-configuration? [09:41] mdz: gnome-power-manager is ready, dbus is dealt with [09:41] mjg59: you wanted some help from pitti? [09:41] The two things that are needed are (a) libpam-foreground integration (discussion on -devel didn't get very far, I'd like some more feedback) and (b) support for hal to execute privileged code [09:42] ok, let's talk about that after I've slept [09:42] mvo: next [09:42] mjg59, look at my dmidecode patch from dapper [09:42] (b) is basically cutting and pasting some code from hald into a daemon that runs as root and has some generic dbus glue, but I don't have time right now [09:42] mjg59, err, hoary, sorry [09:42] Mithrandir: I think you can count casper/espresso integration as part of ubuntu-express-copy-filesystem, not simplified-livecd, for purposes of marking the latter implemented [09:42] Did: [09:42] * apt support for multiple signatures on the release file [09:42] * gnome-app-install fixes, supports license display/accept screen for proprietary apps and per channel apt-keys now [ThirdPartyPackages] [09:42] * Dist-Upgrade tool: [09:42] - more reliable meta-pkg detection/fixing missing one, should work on broken caches as well [09:42] Kamion: agreed [09:42] Kamion: ok [09:42] - more sanity checking after it calculated the upgrade (are the meta-pkgs still installed etc) [09:42] - better error detection/handling on e.g. network problems [09:42] - logs it's activities [09:42] - various hoary->breezy test-upgrades [09:42] [AutomaticUpgrades] [09:42] * updated the apt-get.org fetching/test-building script (with dholbach) and ran a first test-run through all the stuff available on apt-get.org (291 repos scanned, 393 successful builds, 825 failed) [09:42] Next week: [09:42] - work on the ThirdPartyPackages spec (add key support to the channels) [09:42] - work on the AutomaticUpgrades [09:42] mvo: is the dist-upgrade tool in reasonable enough shape for community testing? [09:43] mdz: very close. what would we test it on? hoary->breezy? [09:43] mvo: sure, or breezy->dapper [09:44] mvo: just get some exercise for the infrastructure. write a simple howto and post to -devel-announce with a call for testers [09:44] yes, that sounds good, I'll do that [09:44] need to hurry to finish in time [09:44] mvo: thanks [09:44] ogra_ibook: next [09:44] * thin-client-sound: implemented (thank you pitti, for the gstreamer magic!) [09:44] * thin-client-local-devices: dropped [09:44] * thin-client-memory-usage: worked on forced 16bit xorg mode (not preseedable, as most of the xorg settings). looked at nbd and the implementation for network swapping. [09:44] * thin-client-faster-startup: worked on the initscript handling, did more initramfs testing. [09:44] * gnome-screensaver-default-image: no progress, still need pictures .... [09:44] * general: done some further work on ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-kernels (yaboot and kernel stuff) for ppc, getting edubuntu-artwork in shape, preparing for flight3, did some more dhcpd tests for the --next-server stuff [09:44] * next week: flight3 testing, missed the nfs timeout bugsqashing i had planned for last week, will do it this week, last xscreensaver merge work before UVF, getting all the local bits and pieces of ltsp into shape. [09:45] ogra_ibook: any leads on the nfs timeout issue? [09:45] not yet [09:45] as i said, i missed the time for debugging [09:45] ogra_ibook: if you haven't already, arrange to talk with BenC about it [09:45] since its a bug its not critical for feature freez [09:45] it seems awfully like a kernel issue [09:45] ogra_ibook: what happened with thin-client-local-devices? [09:45] Riddell, postponed [09:46] Riddell: the spec was never complete, it needs much more discussion and design woru [09:46] work [09:46] mdz, yes, i suspect the same [09:46] ogra_ibook: thanks [09:46] pitti: next [09:46] last week: caught up with a lot of security updats, caught up with bug triage, lots of urgent bug fixes, main inclusion reviews [09:46] no progress on specs (ENOTIME), but for JaneW's overview I'll give the current status of the non-implemented specs: [09:46] firewall: long-outstanding bounty proposal, I do not know about mdz's approval status; no news from carstenh for quite a while now [09:46] automatic-printer-conf: DONE: dynamic USB printer recognition implemented due to cupsys 1.2beta; TODO: gnome UI integration requires to evaluate hal-cups-utils from Fedora, port it to Ubuntu, do integration and tests; no blocks, no progress [09:46] langpacks-desktopfiles: DONE: implemented for .desktop files; PLAN: outstanding for .server files (will try to look into this next week) [09:46] plan next week: get an agreement about sudo help approach in TB, last steps to throw mozilla out of main [09:47] pitti: is there an actual proposal for firewall? [09:47] scope of work and price? [09:47] mdz: hm, carsten sent one ages ago, I have to look again (don't remember any more) [09:47] pitti: ok, if it's something I lost track of over the holidays, please resend [09:48] mdz: no price, but scope etc. is there [09:48] pitti: thanks [09:48] seb128: next [09:48] dapper-desktop-plan: default panel configuration changed, "add to panel" changes will be uploaded today [09:48] other: load of bug triage, pushed some GNOME changes/patches upstream before the feature freeze, GNOME changes (pygtk splitted to pyobject/pygtk, etc) [09:48] next-week: dapper-desktop-plan, continue bug triage [09:49] seb128: which other parts of dapper-desktop-plan are still pending? can you estimate the completion of the spec? [09:49] seb128: I saw that mjg59 posted some concerns which I think were aimed at dapper-desktop-plan, please make sure that sabdfl sees and responds [09:49] 40% complete when the add to panel changes land today [09:50] that's menus-revisited [09:50] (mjg59 mail) [09:50] oh, even so [09:50] yeah, will do that [09:50] thanks seb128 [09:50] sivang: ayt? [09:50] for dapper-desktop-plan there is some applet hacking that should be easy, and then the gdm changes [09:51] Riddell: next [09:51] done: KDE security fixes, shipping breezy CDs, bug day recruitment and support, CD testing, final few libstdc++ transition packages [09:51] zeroconf: avahi support added [09:51] kubuntu-express: browsing the current sources, touching up my pykde skills [09:51] kubuntu-roadmap-dapper: CKJ support now complete (question, should scim etc go into main?) [09:51] next week: flight 3, qtparted changes for kubuntu-express, sudo wrapper [09:51] Riddell: I'm happy for scim to enter main given inclusion reports [09:51] Riddell: I'm less clear on what we need to do with it once it's there, beyond installing it by default [09:52] mdz: we have them so I'll link them from the to be reviewed list [09:52] we be interesting to know how to test/use it ... [09:52] Riddell: I have a pending main inclusion report for scim [09:52] I don't know if it should be installed by default since most users don't use it, maybe ship only [09:52] I've seen some email from a fellow who is interested in helping us with input methods [09:53]