[12:03] night all [12:03] it doesn't :( [12:10] launchpad sometimes look sooo broken [12:10] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-backgrounds/+bugs <= no bugs [12:10] https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-backgrounds/+bug/6684 <= bug [12:10] Malone bug 6684: "backgrounds (Ubuntu) - gnome-backgrounds: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: gnome-backgrounds (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6684 [12:12] Committed Fix? [12:12] lucas: the default filter maybe doesn't show "Fix Committed" bugs [12:12] but where is the advanced button ? [12:14] there usually is a advanced button next to the search button: https://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs [12:16] lucas: pour un sync il faut assigner motumergers aussi? [12:17] reviewers oui [12:17] motureviewers [12:17] motumergers c'est la team dont je comprends pas trop l'intret (voir ma proposition pour le MOTUMeeting de demain) [12:17] siretart : would you like to also review my other package? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1414 === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-139-175.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:20] ah oki [12:20] donc reviewers [12:20] bon a roule [12:20] je change tus mes bugs [12:20] ;) [12:22] vala === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-139-175.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=capitant@84-122-90-162.onocable.ono.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === luk [n=luk@188.187-136-217.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xerxas [n=xerxas@152.107.98-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:02] good night guys :) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:45] ajmitch: hey, is python-bazaar from sid pullable to dapper ? [01:45] it's in sid now? [01:45] I guess I won't file that ITP then ;) [01:45] I think so ;) === nnonix [n=nnonix@t42.bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] hm, it doesn't show up here [01:46] as 'pybaz' [01:46] ah right [01:46] bah [01:46] whoever did that needs hurt [01:46] silly man, === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] that's on your local install? [01:46] no, I see it [01:46] no, dchroot apt-cache search pybaz [01:46] ;0 [01:47] probably python2.4-pybaz is what it should be [01:47] as the python module is 'pybaz' [01:47] right [01:48] I see python-bazaar that I have installed isn't actually in dapper, I think [01:49] how come bluez-bcm203x disappeared from universe? === sladen wonders === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.69.143] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] how can be xdvdshrink added to the universe rep? === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu === at1as [n=at1as@24-247-15-243.static.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] why does half of dapper conflict with dbus? [02:28] hal? [02:28] or the lackthereof? [02:28] because you dont upgrade often enough ? [02:28] heheh [02:32] ogra_ibook: I'm trying to, but it wont let me! [02:33] ouch [02:33] ogra_ibook: I cant seem to find a solution that keeps evo *and* gnome installed. [02:33] which is, needless to say, painful. [02:33] just let it remove evo and install ubuntu-desktop in the end [02:34] hmm, let me check the ubuntu-desktop depends [02:34] evo is among them :) [02:34] I'm checking for postfix [02:34] nope [02:34] its why I never had ubuntu-desktop, because I use exim [02:34] MTA is gone since breezy [02:34] we dont ship any ... [02:34] and the silly thing depended rather than postfix|mail-transfer-agent [02:35] looks good, I'll try that. [02:36] sigh, the screensaver prefs window is obnoxiously slow [02:36] not here [02:37] gnome or xscreensaver ? [02:37] probably xscreensaver [02:37] and it's probably because I was previewing GL screensavers [02:37] ah, havent got that since ubz [02:37] and then electricsheep [02:37] electricsheep is darn slow [02:38] but looks great :) [02:38] yeah :) === marcin` [n=user@194.114.146.58] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:40] is gnome-screensaver looking nice & usable for dapper? [02:42] yup [02:42] we just switched the seeds [02:42] how about g-p-m? [02:42] and n-m [02:43] g-p-m very likely [02:43] n-m is looking shaky still [02:43] n-m very unlikely [02:43] nm actually works for me these days [02:43] especially as atheros cards do stupid things with the madwifi drivers [02:43] the atheros cards cant scan and be connected at the same time [02:43] is what im hearing [02:43] huhwha about Athereos? [02:44] if it only scanned when not connected, less problem [02:45] apparantly it takes a 'scan for networks' command as 'disconnect & look for somewhere else to go' [02:46] I can't recall what other crack is lined up for dapper [02:55] hmmm [02:55] stupid question but any reason why GAIM2 hasn't hit Dapper? [02:56] because its not released? [02:57] oh... [02:59] you sound as bad as those forum users.. [03:00] Actually I only asked because I tried to use Gaim Encryption to one of my friends and he said he was using 2, so I was just wondering [03:00] I heard the UI stinks, so... [03:01] so far beta 1 has been released === Kyral shrugs [03:01] I was just wondering :P === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] hi Kyral [03:16] hey === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-084-059-006-110.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] hi minghua [03:45] hello LaserJock === psusi [n=phreak@54.161.205.68.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] how's it going? [03:46] good... how's it hanging? [03:46] psusi: good [03:46] quite good, too busy to work much on ubuntu though [03:47] hmm, yes. I don't know if I will finish my PhD at the rate I'm going. Ubuntu is much more fun ;-) === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] lol [03:48] Sometimes I think I maybe shouldn't have switched from CS to Chemistry [03:48] lol [03:49] Kyral: did I tell you I got my package uploaded to Debian today? [03:49] lol [03:49] LaserJock: nice [03:49] I need to file ITPs for EasyChem [03:49] but I forgot lol [03:50] what did you do? File a RFS and ITP? [03:50] ITP since I already had a package ready to go [03:50] ah [03:50] what pack? [03:50] then I sent a RFS to debian-mentors [03:50] plotdrop [03:50] Debian has sooo many acronyms [03:51] so I just gotta file an ITP for EasyChem [03:51] and then a RFS for it [03:52] Do I gotta rebuild the pack for Sid? [03:52] or Etch/Sarge? [03:53] Sid and I don't know if it is necessary but It probably wouldn't hurt [03:53] cause you want to get rid of the 0ubuntu1 [03:53] like do I just gotta make sure it builds? Or actually make a changelog change? [03:53] I need a review: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1472 [03:53] I clarified the license with upstream [03:54] Kyral: hmm, not sure. I had a couple of change I wanted to make so I repackaged [03:54] LJ maybe you should send this out over the MOTU-Science [03:54] Kyral: what? [03:54] the fact that Plotdrop is in Debian [03:54] oh, sure [03:55] I gotta find someplace to upload mine to.. [03:55] Kyral: check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2006/01/msg00096.html [03:56] that is my RFS [03:56] ah [03:56] I was thinking of rebuilding EasyChem with CDBS [03:57] If it works I may send that version into Debian [03:57] Kyral: what section did you put EasyChem under? [03:57] universe/science [03:58] hmm, it didn't show up on my list at http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/science_list.html === womble [n=mpalmer@220-245-224-46.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] hmm, odd. It should be there [04:00] okay I'll file an ITP and RFS tomorrow [04:02] actually...I wanna get Fetchmail and a MTA setup... [04:03] yeah, I had to do that too to get reportbug running [04:03] I install exim4 [04:03] how do I setup Fetchmail anyway? [04:03] oh, don't ask me. I'm clueless when it comes to that kinda stuff. [04:03] lol [04:05] I just use thunderbird ;-) === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] heh [04:05] what I am really concerned about right now is how we are going to handle the rest of the packages that aren't in Debian [04:05] reverse merge? [04:06] LaserJock: why is that? [04:06] LaserJock: it's something that only debian developers can upload anyway [04:06] well, I've been talking with debian-science and they would like to see ITPs or RFPs on them (8 right now, maybe more) [04:07] but since we maintain as a team in Ubuntu I don't know how to handle maintainership when we try to get them in Debian [04:08] have the team maintain them [04:08] same as ubuntu [04:08] How do we do that? [04:08] set the Maintainer: field as the team name & contact email [04:08] and the team members in Uploaders: [04:08] LaserJock: look at vim for example [04:09] Debian developers have been discussing if it's a good practice though [04:10] debian developers will discuss anything to death if they can [04:10] Like Congress! [04:10] do you think DDs would sponsor packages if they were maintained like that? [04:10] yes [04:10] we do it often [04:10] well, having the team name in the maintainer field is fine. the part being discussed is what to put as the name for the person that last made the change [04:10] changelog [04:11] jamessan: team name, and person name in the changelog entry itself [04:11] is what is commonly done [04:11] maybe I can ask debian-science but I'm kind of afraid after the last thing I brought up ;-) [04:12] Actually === Kyral goes to subscribe to debian-science [04:13] jamessan: oh I see. thanks for the clarification [04:14] well, it is easy enough to do RFPs at least [04:16] Where is the Debian-Sponsors ML? [04:16] debian-mentors ? [04:17] oh === Kyral smacks himself [04:19] well, lucas's scripts are sure coming in handy for MOTUScience [04:20] I think debian-science was fairly impressed [04:20] scripts? [04:21] multidistrotools or something like that [04:21] Subscribed to debian-science and debian-mentors === ejofee [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:21] Kyral: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiDistroTools [04:22] Whoa... [04:22] Package..it...NOW :D === ajmitch sighs [04:22] eh? [04:24] [this is a quick PATCH] : tightvncserver won't work (won't find the font's path) unless one runs "sudo ln -s /usr/share/X11/fonts /usr/lib/X11". what do you think it should be done: create the symlink or change the path tightvncserver is expecting? === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ejofee_ [n=ejofee@195-245-89-185.dtcom.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:42] sorry, i've been disconnected. has anybody answered in the meantime? [04:43] no [04:43] but fix tightvncserver [04:43] its probably hardcoded rather than using whatever header setting it should use [04:43] ask daniels [04:45] when do i find daniels? [04:45] lifeless: ^ === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] Kyral: did you know easychem was backported? [05:17] LaserJock: yah I got the AutoBackport thingy [05:17] Kyral: the what? [05:17] I dunno [05:17] some kinda script [05:17] I think [05:18] But a binary pack hasn't been built yet has it? [05:19] nope [05:19] yah thats kinda odd [05:19] well now I have a bash script to generate the lists on MOTUScience using mdt :-) [05:20] lol [05:20] What is libregexx [05:24] sounds like a c++ regular expression library [05:24] yah [05:25] yamysqlfront depends on its -dev but I cannot find it in Dapper [05:26] and the Debian package search is down [05:27] Kyral: apt-cache search in sid chroot? [05:27] ...I didn't think of that... [05:27] lol === Kyral logs into his Sid Pbuilder [05:30] ..not showing up [05:30] nor in Etch [05:31] I'll just email upstream === irvin [n=irvin@203.213.208.117] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:31] oh whoops, he emailed me the new version [05:35] okaaay...I tihink I need to seperate this package... [05:35] hammer, please [05:35] huh? [05:36] #ubuntu [05:36] who? [05:36] petoix [05:36] ajmitch...was there ever a package called libregexx-dev in Debian? [05:36] and others with short patience === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp04197965pcs.crosky01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:37] let's see.. there are ~15-10K packages in debian [05:37] sorry [05:37] Kyral: google? [05:37] and you ask if I know of a specific -dev package? [05:37] I'm asking because this control has qa@debian as maintainer.. [05:37] hello jaldhar [05:37] err. packages@qa.debian.org [05:37] probably orphaned then [05:37] ah [05:38] or it's been removed from debian [05:38] Seeing as its not in Sid or Etch... [05:39] http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/regexx.html [05:39] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263873 [05:39] Debian bug 263873: "regexx -- RoQA; orphaned, RC bug, no upstream" Package: RM, Maintainer: James Troup and others http://bugs.debian.org/263873 [05:39] ah [05:40] hm [05:40] I know that upstream.. [05:40] anyway to get it into Dapper.... [05:40] did you talk to upstream of this package? [05:40] or of the other one? [05:40] yamysqlfront? [05:40] regexx [05:40] no [05:41] I'm only asking about it because something else I'm packaging depends on it [05:41] it shouldn't be hard to track down niemeyer & see if he has a new upstream version to get back into sid === ajmitch met him at UBZ [05:41] and I discovered its package dir in the yamysqlfront sourceball [05:43] hm [05:43] I'll try & hunt down a newer regexx [05:44] ty [05:44] the author works for canonical now, btw [05:44] heh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] thats a nice job lol [05:47] what is? [05:48] Working for Canonical [05:48] last I heard he was on the launchpad team [05:48] cool [05:49] Niemeyer you say? [05:49] yes [05:49] I'll look him up on Launchpad tomorrow and email him about the package [05:49] why? [05:50] Wouldn't he know about new versions? Or am I confused... [05:50] gustavo at niemeyer.net will do [05:50] no need to lookup on LP [05:50] ah [05:50] see I didn't know his email :P [05:50] it's on the bazaar-ng list :) [05:50] the wha? [05:51] bzr, bazaar-ng, bazaar 2.0... [05:51] ah [05:51] mailing lists, you know? [05:51] yah [05:51] I'm not on the Bazaar ones [05:52] ty ajmitch [05:53] the only reason I'm interested in this is because upstream for yamysqlfront is very responsive [05:54] hrm.. is there any way to speed up the way X renders fonts? seems to be rather cpu intensive [05:54] Hardware accel? [05:54] I think it's on... [05:54] I mean let it render the desktop [05:55] dragging a full window around the desktop is plenty fast and doesn't cause cpufreq to speed up the cpu... scrolling a terminal window or dragging the window over top of xchat pegs the cpu from all the text drawing [05:55] ick [05:55] and it's X that is going nuts [05:55] what kind of video card do you have? [05:55] so my guess is it's font rendering [05:55] radeon 9800 pro [05:56] *shudder* ATI [05:56] psusi: invest in shares in the power company [05:56] lol [05:56] ajmitch, why do you say that? [05:56] that reminds me for at least the 80th time.. I need to order a Kill-a-watt [05:58] ajmitch: do you have a minute to run through using bzr for packages? If not that is ok. [05:58] I thought I ran through it in 1 line earlier? :) === ajmitch is not doing anything complex [05:58] yes, but I'm not sure what directories to repo, etc. [05:59] it sounded like you just did /debian [06:00] often, yes [06:00] depends how you want to handle patches [06:02] Is there anything wrong with using Simple Patchsys? [06:03] not specifically [06:03] although it can probably have problems [06:03] ah [06:03] ajmitch: so what do you do with the .bzr when you build a package? do you exclude it? [06:03] so for easy things like EasyChem its alright?> [06:03] you can [06:04] lately I've left it in, thought I suppose I should remove it === Kyral doesn't even fully understand what Bazaar is aside from something like CVS [06:04] Kyral: it's several steps beyond cvs :) [06:04] okaaay [06:04] and with packaging I'm using it in its simplest way possible [06:05] Kyral: http://bazaar.canonical.com/IntroductionToBzr [06:06] Kyral: it will revolutionise your life [06:07] oh yea, it is definately the font rendering engine... turning down all the subpixel smoothing and all that makes a huge difference in cpu usage [06:07] I'm still trying to figure out how to use any kind of RCS :( [06:07] Yanno...this would prolly be more useful when I start cranking out my own software [06:07] LaserJock: all I really do is commit the changes I make in debian/ [06:07] and then branch for a new version [06:08] but do you have a directory where you keep all the repos and then checkout the /debian into the source directory? [06:09] just my normal packaging arrangement [06:09] which is something like ~/debian/mono [06:09] ~/debian/gnu [06:09] ~/debian/phpgroupware [06:09] etc [06:09] nothing particularly ordered about what I do === Kyral wonders if it would be worth it to redo EasyChem with CDBS [06:10] since bzr doesn't have a separate repository like cvs & svn do [06:10] ajmitch: oh, ok [06:10] I *could* push my branches to a location, if I wanted [06:10] but that would be a waste of time for me === ajmitch really needs that smart battery support for this laptop === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] hi Hobbsee [06:11] I'd hate for it to suddenly turn off [06:11] hi LaserJock [06:11] afternoon Hobbsee [06:11] afternoon ajmitch :) [06:25] ok, so I was going through the science related packages that are in Ubuntu but not in Debian and I have noticed a couple that apparently came from apt-get.org [06:26] how does that work? [06:27] they got imported, what other info do you want? :) [06:28] well, so they are just left around I suppose? [06:28] I guess it takes a MOTUs attention for anything to be updated [06:28] sadly, yes [06:29] because I was just looking at ruby-gnuplot and the package is from 2001 but they released a new version in November [06:30] so obviously nobody was keeping track of it [06:33] anybody know japanese? [06:34] Yagisan, I suppose. but he is not here [06:35] so would it be bad to drop packages that are only in Ubuntu that aren't being maintained anymore? [06:36] LaserJock: I think it depends on how we want make people see universe [06:37] I always look universe as "packages without (guaranteed) support, some may work, some may not" [06:37] so it's fine for me if there are unmaintained packages [06:37] others may not share the same opinion, though [06:39] yeah, I guess I view it as universe is "packages maintained my MOTU and wannabes" which means that if we aren't maintaining it maybe we shouldn't be sending it out [06:39] but I see your point === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.157] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:41] I guess it would just "look" better (especially to Debian, if we care) iif we didn't have this stuff just hanging out there [06:41] hi MOTUs :) [06:41] hi zakame [06:43] hello zakame [06:44] Goodnight MOTU [06:44] no way we can maintain all of universe [06:44] night Kyral [06:44] heya ajmitch :) what's up? [06:44] just playing around with the laptop [06:45] the new one? [06:46] yes [06:46] w00t :) [06:46] wireless works ok with hwcrypto disable [06:46] now I just need sound & battery [06:47] hehe, good for you :) [06:49] cya Kyral === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wadeb [n=wadeb@dsl081-089-023.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:13] hello, I've got a piece of GTK educational software I'm trying to package to ubuntu. is there a howto / reference available for doing this? most of my questions are simple things like setting an application icon in gnome and properly registering the mime file type. thanks in advance. [07:17] wadeb, siretart does some wxwidgets stuff [07:17] wadeb, and yes, there are not many channels I am not on [07:17] burgindavia: lol...thx, I'll msg him [07:30] Burgundavia: there are?! [07:30] Burgundavia: +'nt? [07:30] Burgundavia: I always knew you were just an IRC bot ;) [07:31] Treenaks, I am not a bot but I think Seveas is ;) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-118-222.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@wbs-196-2-105-30.wbs.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:17] hi viviersf [08:18] Mez: what did you mean in -devel? [08:18] ajmitch - the whole "Need for launchpad/Canonical Business Model" stuff [08:18] oh right [08:18] that's still going? [08:18] yeah [08:19] fun [08:19] It really gets to me though that some people seem to take such a slanted view on things. === ajmitch goes to watch the car crash [08:19] Ubuntu cant do all the work - nor can debian [08:19] they both need to do woek [08:19] no kidding [08:19] and yeah - some bad eggs are spoiling it by not working with each other (both in Debian AND ubuntu) [08:19] but - for the most part - we try and work together [08:20] I've come up against a couple of DD's who arent willing to try and work with me on packages I work on [08:20] and I've come across DD's who are MORE than willing to - and even go beyond the "call of duty" and do extra stuff [08:20] It's not really an "ubuntu vs debian" thing [08:20] it's really - just those people who're spoiling it [08:21] I mean - I would post this to the list [08:21] but I know I'd get flamed [08:22] go ahead [08:22]