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[02:29] :O [02:31] I'm having trouble understanding how sudo works. === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === sm|asleep is now known as sankarshan === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:47] TOZTWO, think of it as admin access where you are are only allowed to do certain things with each line of command instaed of the whole session [03:50] hi all === irvin [n=irvin@ubuntu/member/irvin] has joined #edubuntu [04:08] Is there a way to log into a sudo enabled account? === TOZTWO is now known as TOZAFK [04:15] thanx, gotta run. === ulinskie [n=yolynne@202.57.88.34] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === mhz is now known as mhz_BRB === mhz_BRB is now known as mhz === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-125-87.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] Seveas: knock knock [06:39] "neo, wake up" === TOZII [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.70.213.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@210.4.38.43] has joined #edubuntu === TOZII is now known as TOZTWO === jair [n=staff@72.16.163.106] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #edubuntu === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-253.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.57.236] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-131.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=james@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-254-229.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === bimberi [n=bimberi@ppp-44-232.grapevine.net.au] has joined #edubuntu === JaneW [n=JaneW@dsl-146-165-158.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E5416.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === vegard_ is now known as Vego [11:43] ogra_ibook, the thinclients are on the way to you === magus_ [n=magus@d-60.dsl.tu-graz.ac.at] has joined #edubuntu [11:52] hi === magus_ [n=magus@d-60.dsl.tu-graz.ac.at] has left #edubuntu ["who] === platos [n=leerling@a80-126-110-57.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.95.64] has joined #edubuntu [12:32] yay === TOZAFK [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.25.213.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu === spacey_ki [n=spacey@a82-93-13-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #edubuntu [02:58] did anybody notice that we surpassed OpenBSD on distrowatch this month ? [02:59] ogra_ibook: no. but when we surpass ubuntu, we'll all know about it [02:59] lol === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:04] hehe. === mherweg [n=mherweg@BSN-77-70-150.dsl.siol.net] has joined #edubuntu === lguerra [i=lguerra@200.21.93.195] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-125-87.tpgi.com.au] has left #edubuntu [] === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [05:06] ogra_ibook: i am in nirvana reading this; ttp://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Notes:Article [05:06] very clear and enlightening doc [05:07] about live cd making [05:10] ogra_ibook: so far, it all indicates that in order to make a solution for older hardware or less powerful ones, the best desktops following freedesktop.org standards are IceWM and XFCE [05:11] now, the very important question is: will I work on just customizing a look and feel for Edubuntu apps (KDE and little GNOME) [05:11] or [05:12] will I have to also recompile stuff more optimized for hardware specifics and then also take advante of the process and make apps. independant of GNOME or KDE libs [05:13] and so, maybe not use all Edubuntu apps [05:13] ogra_ibook: those questions, for me have no answers yet in my head [05:14] The idea is to ease the load of servers (remember we usually use desktops boxes 'to work as servers' and so HW is not that powerfull) [05:15] and in case, some schools need it, also make that edubuntu-light installable on PII, 300 MHz [05:15] as ltsp system ? [05:16] for server? yes [05:16] wont work [05:16] ? [05:16] PII are the 'cases' of clients [05:16] how many clients do you want to attach to this ? [05:17] ah [05:17] thats just fine [05:17] usually, PIV, 700 or 1GHz can be 'servers' here [05:19] but my main question is what to choose? Edubuntu apps (with all current dependencies to KDE and GNOME) or Apps with the minimum dependencies possible, which would then require I compile again [05:19] but then it wouldn't be 'edubuntu' :) because maybe many apps, will not be the ones in real Edubuntu [05:20] and my other concern is that currently, Xubuntu has no roadmap or organization of anykind [05:21] does it need one ? [05:21] its there and will be in main and completely supported with dapper [05:21] thats mainly the roadmap [05:22] ogra_ibook: so far, no one knows what to do, what's next, when to discuss stuff or who decides over what [05:22] ahhhhh [05:23] ogra_ibook: and regarding my former important question? [05:23] any suggestion? [05:24] thats your decision if yyou want to take the burden to make your own distro [05:24] nope, I dont [05:24] you know that [05:24] keep in mind that you have to recompile and offer every security upgrade [05:24] but i have no clue which way will actually be lighter [05:25] i've no clue if taking dependency away will actually be lighter for enduser with old hw [05:25] you can leave out certain parts, some apps might have special options to drop stuff [05:26] but i doubt the gain isnt worth the manpower you have to put into thatz [05:26] you dont take dependencys away [05:26] you need to disable the app functionallity, that will make the dependency go [05:27] so you'll end up with smalle but less functional apps [05:27] and how do i know or 'preview' that before hand? [05:27] and will that mean 'recompile' anyways? [05:30] you cant *preview* it [05:30] you need to compile the app and measure the difference [05:33] okis [05:34] thx for the time === TOZAFK is now known as TOZTWO [05:43] If there is no root account, then how do I copy, move, modify files where the owner is root? [05:44] sudo cp /source/file/path /target/file/path [05:44] or replace cp with mv, gedit [05:45] ok, thanx. [05:47] I'm selling an edubuntu lab to a local church, and I need to know if edubuntu can serve 10 clients from a quad PII 233 with 1 Gb of ram. [05:48] dubt it [05:49] doubt it [05:49] thats a very small server [05:49] Yeah, it's old. [05:50] you have to compute like that: 128MB per client + 256MB for the server [05:50] i have no exact numbers about CPU power, but 233Mhz is clearly to small for 10 clients [05:50] How about a Dual PIII 700? [05:51] TOZTWO: I have tested a 700 Mhz + 256 Ram box as a server with 3 thin laptops [05:52] it worked fine until firefox was run by 2 clients [05:52] :)\ [05:52] hmm.... [05:52] but that was not dual [05:52] nor had the ram you mention [05:52] How much better would a dual run? [05:53] no idea yet for me [05:53] but it would be cool to know :) [05:53] I might have to go with a quad PIII just to be sure. [05:53] in any case your firefox experience was MEM related [05:53] ogra_ibook: yes [05:54] TOZTWO: you can always try using a lighter desktop [05:54] i'd guess ~1000Mhz would be fine for 10 clients ... [05:54] (other than GNOME or KDE) [05:54] I found a place locally that disopses of old hardware(recycle center), and I can get really cheap hardware. [05:54] TOZTWO: yup, I am trying old hardware here [05:55] so the investment takes place and admin time at one single machine: the server [05:55] Yup. These folks can't afford a traditional lab. [05:55] TOZTWO: it all depends on what apps the 10 clients would be running [05:56] TOZTWO: i am there too :) === ealden [n=ealden@ipdial-165-233.tri-isys.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:56] Everything that edubuntu has, OO, Logo, Games, Gcompris, Firfox. [05:57] mhz: You are setting up a small lab for someone? [05:57] so far, a Pentium or AMD (not celeron, I'd say) of 1 GHz or more, plus the RAM claculus ogra_ibook metioned [05:57] would do for 10 clients [05:58] TOZTWO, i think if you can put two 1ghz CPUs and 1.5G of ram into this dual 700 machine, you are fine [05:58] and if ram can't be 128 p/client, then I'd encourage you to consider using XFCE desktop [05:58] instead of GNOME [05:58] Or ROX? :] [05:59] TOZTWO: i am testing some 'layouts' for schools with low resources [05:59] Vego: AFAIKm ROX is not a 'desktop manager' [05:59] Velmont: : AFAIKm ROX is not a 'desktop manager' [06:00] sorry [06:00] :) [06:00] mhz: They have a desktop and filemanager at least ;) [06:00] TOZTWO: usually, 1 server and 7 to 13 clients [06:00] Velmont: indeed [06:00] mhz: I've found that for schools, there are way too many hoops to jump through, so I'm doing churches instead. [06:01] TOZTWO: good idea! [06:01] No one ever calls me for computer help unless it to fix thier spyware problems....... [06:02] I'm getting very tired of doing all of this reactive maintenance.......... [06:02] put a modem on the ltsp server, then you can dial in from home to fix stuff ;) [06:03] So I figure with edubuntu, I can take a more proactive role, and teach people how to use a computer.......... [06:03] Then I can have a more constructive role, rather than a maintenance role. === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu [06:07] When I build this lab, I'm going to document how we do it, pictures, how-to, hurdles, prices, and then share. [06:08] TOZTWO: very good === mhz is now known as mhz_lunch === Burgwork [n=corey@S010600131016cf6f.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084C323.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:37] hi littlepaul [06:38] hi juliux [06:38] juliux, i sent you the required email [06:38] littlepaul, thxs === mherweg [n=mherweg@BSN-77-70-150.dsl.siol.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:48] hi mherweg [06:48] [Excess Flood] [06:49] *g* [06:56] ping lucasvo [06:56] littlepaul: pong [06:56] lucasvo, do you allready know http://ikhaya.ubuntuusers.de/ ? [06:57] no [06:57] littlepaul: what is it about, a blog? [06:57] yes [06:57] a community blog [06:57] maby you want to write someting about edubuntu [06:59] littlepaul: hm, I am not a very talented writer [06:59] but, yes, I can try [07:00] lucasvo, good content is important not talent as an writer :) [07:01] lucasvo, littlepaul AT ubuntu-de DOT org [07:02] ok [07:03] in the blog there are some further interesting articles [07:03] lucasvo, i have anoter link for you :) [07:04] http://verein.ubuntu-de.org/ [07:05] django :P [07:06] right :) === TOZAFK [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.69.55.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === TOZAFK [i=TOZTWO@dialup-4.253.69.55.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net] has joined #edubuntu === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-131.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu === spacey_ki [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === Shodane [n=shodane@i577B1D99.versanet.de] has joined #edubuntu [07:42] hi [07:45] hello [07:45] what brings you here? [07:46] i was told i could get info about edubuntu here [07:47] indeed you can [07:47] great ;) [07:49] there is also #edubuntu-de is you want to chat in german [07:49] is there documentation for edubuntu? can't find it on your website... [07:50] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation === eNetic [n=paal@81.167.1.137] has joined #edubuntu [08:00] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Chapter_8_-_Server_Configuration [08:00] hmmm [08:01] the cookbook is very much under development right now [08:01] and they are always looking for more people to help them [08:01] hehe [08:01] ok [08:02] what kind of server do i need for approx. 15 clients? [08:02] i've got an old computer somewhere but it's not great, i guess [08:02] Shodane: and you can also get info at #edubuntu-es :) === mhz_lunch is now known as mhz [08:02] sorry, no spanish ;) [08:03] Shodane, 128M per client and 256M for the server itself [08:03] ogra_ibook: we shold get that on the topic ;) [08:03] i was told there's a german guy developing here? from the eifel? [08:03] Shodane, CPU, as fast as you can and not below 1Ghz i'd say [08:03] yupp, thats me [08:04] hmm. it's probably fast enough then [08:04] mhz, sadly its to limited to add such long sentences [08:04] yup [08:05] ogra_ibook, the install notes seem to indicate taht the default install includes a GUI [08:05] delete the part about install notes ;) [08:05] Burgundavia, which install notes ? [08:05] or write it into the install notes [08:05] ours ? [08:06] it doesn't [08:06] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes [08:06] ogra_ibook: dholbach sends me [08:07] ah, hi :) [08:07] hi :) [08:07] Burgundavia, wher does it seem to be gui driven ? [08:08] ogra_ibook, if you read the part and then the server part, it seems to indicate taht the install method installs a gui [08:08] it should probably explicitily say whether or not it does [08:08] it installs a gui [08:09] by pressing enter the default install will install an Edubuntu-desktop and prepare an Edubuntu LTSP server [08:09] whats difficult with this sentence ? === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-131.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu [08:10] hmm, I will think of some better wording [08:11] i like it ... but offer something better :) [08:11] note that i fight for the "server" install to be renamed in dapper [08:12] I will. I rarely bitch abut things that I am not willing to get fixed myself [08:12] its a minimal install and should be named accordingly [08:13] i'd also rather name "workstation" as "standalone workstation" but that appears to long to me [08:13] yes, it is too long [08:13] neurogeek: ping [08:14] The server install has no gui? === TOZAFK is now known as TOZTWO [08:15] Can you administer from on of the clients? [08:15] ogra_ibook, so the assumption is that the teacher is working on the server itself? === mherweg [n=mherweg@BSN-77-70-150.dsl.siol.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:16] mhz, pong [08:16] mhz, how is it going? [08:16] TOZTWO, the server install only installs a 100MB system, its only if you want to tailor the whole system yourself .. [08:17] TOZTWO, its something different to the default install that installs a edubuntu server and a edubuntu desktop [08:17] Burgwork, ltsp needs a installed desktop [08:18] Burgwork, you must have something you can log in to ;)# [08:18] Burgwork, having GDM running on the server does no harm either ... [08:19] I think I'll install the server version on my duron 900 and connect from my laptop to play around a bit. [08:19] is gimp included? can't find it in the list [08:19] and indeed you can log in and to your admin tasks either on the server or from a client through the gui [08:19] Shodane, we include everything a default ubuntu brings [08:19] GIMP is included. [08:19] so ooo2, gimp etc are there by default [08:20] ah, ok. so i can choose the locale as well? [08:20] sure [08:20] neurogeek: sorry, fine, thax. (I had disabled the 'beep' while I slept :D ) [08:20] we support all 90 languages ubuntu supports [08:20] ogra_ibook, true, hadn't thought of that. My inexperience in thin clients shows [08:20] neurogeek: there is a venzuelan initiative I'd say you and your boss could take a look at [08:21] Burgwork, i doubt the product of your company works without desktop install on the central machine ;) [08:21] ogra_ibook, given we don't have a server and use X to do multihead, yes [08:21] :) [08:22] mhz, tell me.. [08:22] neurogeek: ttp://www.dsslive.org/mediawiki/index.php/Notes:Article [08:22] neurogeek: not that, sorry [08:22] ogra_ibook, how are you? [08:22] :D [08:22] neurogeek: http://educacion.solve.net.ve/index.php/Portada [08:22] neurogeek, fine, thanks [08:23] neurogeek: http://educacion.solve.net.ve/index.php/EDUVEN_Propuestas [08:23] mhz, yeah.. i know about that... [08:23] neurogeek: okis [08:24] mhz, solve is a brand new institution for free software in Venezuela [08:24] can the server be administrated via web interface? [08:25] nope [08:25] but .. there are a lot of "articuladores" (as you'd say) in there.. so.. proyects always ends before their start [08:25] neurogeek: right now there are two things I am using 70% of my time (Feria de Tecnologia Libre y Educacion + Workshops and Courses on TicEdu for Teachers) [08:25] neurogeek: hehehehehhee [08:25] Shodane, but from every thin client [08:25] damn! [08:27] ogra_ibook: is nfs enabled by default? can i add users via batch job? (i've been trying to do that with windows, that's not that easy ;)) [08:27] neurogeek: in Pereira, Colombia, Luis Guerra is also helping me to maybe have some sort of Ubuntu Tour or maybe even the same Feria in similar dates [08:28] neurogeek: would you be interested too? would Strusberg be into it? [08:29] mhz, of course... absolutely.. count on that [08:29] when would that be?? [08:29] neurogeek: for Chile, we are thinking of March-April === sivang [i=sivan@ubuntu/member/sivang] has left #edubuntu [] [08:29] for Colombia, maybe same dates [08:29] that would be nice [08:30] yeah.. count on that [08:30] Our dream/goal is Chile -> Colombia -> Venezuela -> Argentina -> Brazil [08:30] and FLISOL is also near that dates [08:30] and there's a GNOME event in Brazil too by those dates [08:31] so... Why not do a very VERY intensive agenda [08:31] to kick off 2006! [08:31] mhz, yeah.. i think i will be in FLISOL this year.. [08:31] and have a kind of LA power show [08:31] :) [08:31] mhz, excellent.. we (RS and me) are very interested in those things.. and better if we do it together .. the better [08:32] Shodane, nfs is the base of ltsp, so it is indeed enabled, adding users from a list would require a bit of shell scripting [08:32] neurogeek: so far, only Luis Guerra and I have been talking to people in each country [08:32] neurogeek: i am actually working at this very moment on a doc about it [08:33] great [08:33] OMG! [08:33] so, I guees I'll have it done in 2 ours [08:33] ogra_ibook, however, there are plans to integrate our stuff with ltsp [08:33] hours [08:33] neurogeek: for you and RS to read it [08:33] mhz: ah.. BTW i haven't forgotten about the moin stuff.. i've done some things but haven't had the time to finish it.. i'll be on it soon enough [08:33] mhz: You speack Spanish/Portugese? [08:34] neurogeek: thx [08:34] TOZTWO: I am Chilean, and neurogeek is Venezuelan [08:34] when you finish it.. send it to me to my mail [08:34] :D [08:34] TOZTWO, yeah.. Spanish [08:34] okis [08:34] TOZTWO: and we have #edubuntu-es [08:34] :D [08:34] After I get my first lab up and running, I might be doing some labs in Mexico. [08:34] TOZTWO: wow! [08:34] cool [08:35] great!! [08:35] neurogeek: we also have a ML [08:36] and I am wiking info about Edubuntu-es and Ubuntu for Chile in ubuntu-cl.org === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E43CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:37] hi sven-tek [08:37] hi martin [08:38] neurogeek: tienen algun curso en Moodle or Claroiline I could take a look ? [08:44] neurogeek: ? === mhz is now known as mhz_wiking === ogra_ibook [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [09:07] neurogeek: ? [09:11] ogra_ibook: re. can users be installed via batch job? [09:11] yes, with a little shellscript [09:11] is it documented? [09:12] nope [09:13] but basically you can do it with a handfull of lines, i'm pretty sure google will give you a lot of hits for a shellscript you can use [09:13] Shodane: I am sure there's a unix command to do that [09:13] can you wait for me (5 to 10 mins) [09:13] not for a list of users [09:14] if you have so many users you might want to use ldap [09:14] i've never understood ldap... [09:14] still need shell script to add users from a list ofcourse:) === mhz_wiking read a book with this solution from list of users [09:15] and likely some lines longer :) [09:15] if the users are just regular users, i can write a script myself. thought they'd be some kinda special users === mhz_wiking is looking it up on the book right now [09:15] why are they special? [09:15] or whats special about them [09:16] well nothing apparently === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-131.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu [09:16] Shodane: found it [09:16] Page 118 on Linux Cookbook, by Oreilly [09:16] ok, thx [09:17] 'mass_passwd' [09:17] we'll have tools for such stuff in the future, if more developers jump in [09:17] 'mass_useradd' [09:17] hm, i'll try it out first ;) [09:18] $ sh mass_useradd < newusers > newlogins.txt [09:19] mhz_wiking, and what *is* mass_useradd ? [09:19] you also need the program/script ... [09:19] yup [09:19] it's a script there, in the book :) [09:19] I ignore if it's available somewhere in a repo [09:20] I hope so [09:20] but many oreilly books are available via on line [09:20] http://www.tuxcomputing.com/cookbook/mass_useradd [09:20] there's one === mhz_wiking will check if its the same [09:21] k [09:21] or else, I could write those 20 or so lines at night time [09:21] (chilean night time :) ) [09:22] actually, what i'd prefer is an empty password and a dialog which forces the user to set a password at first login, like windows does... [09:22] is chilean night time longer than elsewhere? [09:22] hehehe [09:23] nope [09:23] =) [09:23] Shodane: well, the book has a section for that case too === mhz_wiking loves that book, full of tips [09:24] Shodane: it seems the script is exactly the one in the url! [09:24] good [09:25] cool [09:25] how about the other section then? maybe that one's online as well [09:25] heheh [09:25] okis === mhz_wiking looking it up on the book [09:26] 44 euros, that's too much for me right now [09:26] Shodane: I'd bet it is available on PDF [09:26] dunno [09:27] make sure that the script doesnt start at UID 1000, thats the admin user you created on install [09:28] Shodane: after you run useradd, simply run $ passwd -e the_user [09:29] that will expire the password at first login, forcing the user to change it === mhz_wiking gets back to wiking [09:31] Shodane: i hope that helps somehow [09:32] yeah, i'll just set "hello" as the pw :) === littlepaul is now known as LITTLEPAUL === LITTLEPAUL is now known as littlepaul [09:34] i guess i know enough for now, thanks. i'll be back as soon as i've installed the server :) [09:35] good luck === southfoxargentin [n=fox@200-122-8-131.dsl.prima.net.ar] has joined #edubuntu [09:41] southfoxargentin: bienvendio === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089CEF3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-93-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === jouni__m [n=jouni@laku42.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu