[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: After today's upgrade . scim and skim works fine 
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: awooga!
[02:02] <Riddell> freeflying: in dapper?
[02:02] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: in dapper
[02:03] <Riddell> freeflying: great, I'll put scim etc up for main inclusion review then
[02:03] <freeflying> Riddell: thx
[02:05] <Tm_T> skim? what's that
[02:06] <Tm_T> hmm, should be sleeping...
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T: the kde fronted for scim
[02:06] <Tm_T> and scim is...
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T: and scim is a input method framework
[02:06] <Tm_T> ah ok
[02:07] <Riddell> for CKJ
[09:35] <viviersf> sigh
[09:35] <viviersf> what a sucky thing to do
[09:35] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1.png
[09:35] <Tm_T> bad? ;)
[09:35] <viviersf> *sits and secures new firewall server *
[09:36] <viviersf> lol Tm_T 
[09:36] <verwilst> Tm_T: /me likes :p
[09:36] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:36] <Tm_T> there's kubuntu, edubuntu and ubuntu logos combined
[09:36] <verwilst> no shit ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> my point is to show that they all three has too much common to be thought separate
[09:37] <verwilst> problem is when a fourth arrives ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> let's see if that will end up to all those three releases ;)
[09:37] <Tm_T> verwilst: then ubuntu can go, we don't need it ;--P
[09:37] <verwilst> hehe
[09:38] <viviersf> there is kinda a 4th
[09:38] <viviersf> already
[09:40] <Tm_T> xubuntu yes
[09:40] <Tm_T> but as long as that's not mentioned in ubuntu.com front page, doesn't matter in this kind of things
[09:41] <Tm_T> viviersf: and I can add that mouse to center :p
[09:41] <viviersf> no
[09:41] <viviersf> then its 5
[09:41] <viviersf> what bout impi
[09:41] <viviersf> ;P
[09:42] <Tm_T> can't remember that one
[09:42] <Tm_T> but we do need wubuntu
[09:43] <viviersf> lol
[09:43] <viviersf> dont worry bout impi
[09:43] <viviersf> will be released soon
[09:43] <viviersf> Riddell knows that it exists
[09:43] <viviersf> do i need xscreensaver ?
[09:43] <viviersf> or does kde need it 
[09:48] <Tm_T> viviersf: I think it's good to have
[09:48] <viviersf> well
[09:48] <viviersf> you got kscreensaver also
[09:48] <viviersf> im just trying to not have double
[09:48] <viviersf> apps on impi
[09:49] <viviersf> 1 of each
[09:54] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1b.png
[09:55] <viviersf> whez the mouse ?
[09:55] <viviersf> and the impi
[09:55] <viviersf> ;p
[09:56] <Tm_T> hehe
[09:58] <Tm_T> viviersf: wanna have new background?
[09:58] <viviersf> huh
[09:59] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1a.png
[09:59] <Tm_T> I hope you like blue ;)
[09:59] <viviersf> impi is kde
[09:59] <viviersf> why wouldnt i like blue ;p
[10:00] <Tm_T> hehe
[10:00] <viviersf> oms
[10:00] <viviersf> bsd takes to long to install
[10:00] <viviersf> :(
[10:11] <Tm_T> viviersf: see c too
[10:11] <Tm_T> note the difference?
[10:11] <viviersf> huh ?
[10:11] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1c.png
[10:15] <viviersf> your really bored
[10:29] <alleeHol> Riddell: bobesponja asked me to tell you that showimg 0.9.5 build fine here with debian dir from 0.9.4.1 debs
[10:29] <alleeHol> bobesponja: done ;)
[10:33] <Tm_T> viviersf: not really bored, just sorta mad
[10:34] <Tm_T> viviersf: realised yesterday that there's name for people like me
[10:34] <Tm_T> viviersf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_Syndrome
[10:56] <Tm_T> viviersf: http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1d.png
[10:56] <Tm_T> like it?
[10:56] <viviersf> hold
[10:56] <viviersf> ya its kewl
[10:56] <viviersf> still missing impi :P
[10:57] <viviersf> j/k
[10:57] <Tm_T> nah
[10:57] <Tm_T> still don't care about impi ;--P
[10:57] <viviersf> :(
[10:57] <viviersf> *sniff*
[10:58] <Tm_T> :(
[10:58] <viviersf> lol
[11:00] <viviersf> yo Mez 
[11:06] <Tm_T> freeflying_: did you look at those pics?
[11:06] <crimsun> git pull
[11:06] <crimsun> crap, sorry
[11:06] <freeflying_> Tm_T: looks cool
[11:07] <Tm_T> crimsun: agreed, crap, and don't be sorry ;)
[11:07] <Tm_T> freeflying_: any suggestions
[11:07] <Tm_T> ?
[11:07] <freeflying_> Tm_T: I like it 
[11:08] <Tm_T> just like it is ?
[12:06] <allee> viviersf: impi?
[01:40] <Tonio_> allee: little question ;)
[01:40] <allee> 'k
[01:41] <Tonio_> if a tarball doesn't have an "admin" folder, should I had it in the perspective to apply the kdepot patch ?
[01:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: is it a KDE program?
[01:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep, kpowersave ;)
[01:43] <Tonio_> I juste finished the powersave one and stated this one
[01:43] <Riddell> what's the build system used?
[01:43] <allee> Tonio_: what does it use to build
[01:44] <Tonio_> autoconf + automake1.9
[01:44] <Riddell> spooky
[01:45] <sealne> where abouts are the dapper daily cds?
[01:45] <Riddell> cdimage.ubuntu.com
[01:45] <Riddell> sealne: please test today's install CD, it might turn into flight 3
[01:45] <Riddell> live CDs are still broken
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: in fact I just looked at the tarball again, there is an admin folder....
[01:47] <Tonio_> simply debuild -S -sa removes it.... I just need to search why ;)
[01:47] <Riddell> mystery solved
[01:47] <allee> Tonio_: heh, just found on kde-apps the changelog that 'admin/ was added'
[01:47] <Riddell> that's not good
[01:47] <Tonio_> allee: yep, but destroyed by debuild -S -sa
[01:48] <Tonio_> rm -rf admin
[01:48] <Tonio_> rm -f debian/stamp-bootstrap
[01:48] <Tonio_>  dpkg-source -b kpowersave-0.5.2
[01:48] <allee> Tonio_: WHAT? check make clean rule ;)
[01:48] <Tonio_> allee: okay ;)
[01:51] <Tonio_> allee: found......... okay, I didn't want and so didn't read, the rules file, because I wanted to stay very close to the debian package, but let's go removing this ;)
[01:52] <allee> Tonio_: strange, strange
[01:52] <Tonio_> allee: yep, I don't understand what that is doing is rules...........
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: I'tell you that scim and skim can work fine in dapper with gtk and gnome program but not any QT programs
[01:53] <freeflying> s/I'tell/I'd tell
[01:54] <Riddell> freeflying: yesterday you said they worked fine
[01:55] <sebas> Riddell: Did my "howto pass variables to a SLOT in 2 IRC lines" get through to you?
[01:55] <sebas> 3 days ago or so.
[01:56] <freeflying> Riddell: I was too exited to check it with QT program
[01:57] <Riddell> sebas: yes it did thanks but I haven't had time to investigate it yet :)
[01:57] <sebas> Riddell: That's not my problem, of course ;-)
[01:57] <sebas> Anyway, back to work.
[01:58] <freeflying> Riddell: so sadly and sorry for telling you these :(
[02:03] <allee> Tonio_: the rules files is 'unique' never saw this solution to the 'get a more recent admin/' directory.
[02:03] <JRe> anyone else than me has problems with java in ubuntu ?
[02:04] <JRe> (dapper)
[02:05] <Tonio_> allee: I'm trying to get the package in a more "convenient" way
[02:05] <Hobbsee> JRe: some, yes, URL to test?
[02:06] <allee> Tonio_: you have a new release to admin is probabliy recent enough.  Use good old minimal rules template ;)
[02:06] <allee> s/to admin/so admin/
[02:07] <Tonio_> use yep ;)
[02:09] <Tonio_> s/use/allee: ;)
[02:09] <JRe> Hobbsee: the point is I can't run Eclipse nor Azureus
[02:09] <Tonio_> don't ask me how I did this :)
[02:09] <allee> Tonio_: hah, success.  I've infected you!!
[02:09] <Hobbsee> ah, i run neither program
[02:10] <JRe> Hobbsee: I think it's because of X
[02:10] <Tonio_> allee: ^^
[02:10] <allee> JRe: what java variant, sun, ibm, gnu
[02:10] <allee> +?
[02:10] <JRe> allee: sun one
[02:11] <JRe> allee: installed with java-package
[02:11] <allee> JRe: ohh, does it work?  Failed for me after last sec update from sun
[02:12] <JRe> allee: yeah it work now with update 6
[02:12] <JRe> allee: but it's unusefull because after, it's not possible to run eclipse nor azureus
[02:12] <JRe> allee: I think it's because of swt
[02:13] <JRe> allee: and BTW I had a FTBFS with your digikam test package
[02:13] <allee> JRe: I try again next week when I have a fast enough connection again.  Sooner or later I need the java gui for the backup system ;)
[02:13] <JRe> allee: :)
[02:13] <allee> JRe: which part failed to build? Which system?
[02:14] <JRe> allee: was the same error that i told you before: libxft.la not foud
[02:14] <JRe> allee: on amd64
[02:14] <Hobbsee> JRe: excuse the ignorance, but what exactly does FTBFS stand for?
[02:15] <allee> JRe: try pbuilder
[02:15] <JRe> Hobbsee: Failure To Build From Source
[02:15] <JRe> allee: ok
[02:15] <Tonio_> JRe: Finishing kpowersave and then updating keep....
[02:15] <Hobbsee> right, yep
[02:15] <Tonio_> JRe: I think you had suggestions ?
[02:15] <JRe> allee: I try it in a dapper pbuilder
[02:15] <allee> JRe: btw can you grep libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la
[02:17] <allee> JRe: pbuild in dapper and breezy on i368 was fine here
[02:17] <apokryphos> Riddell: I got 'em! They look very flash; I like the design :). Thanks.
[02:17] <JRe> allee: http://ubuntu-fr.pastebin.com/503891
[02:17] <allee> JRe: shame on you: libXft.la is in /usr/lib/libkmediapart.la
[02:17] <JRe> allee: do I miss a package ?
[02:18] <allee> JRe: no.  libXft.la was in breezy but now longer
[02:19] <JRe> allee: ok so what do I need to do to clean it ?
[02:21] <allee> JRe: can you apt-get -b source libkipi  and check in libkipi.la has lost the reference to libXft.la
[02:22] <allee> I've relibtoolized version working here, that why I didn't notice.  the do not depend on libXft anymore
[02:23] <allee> JRe: if this removes libXft.la, then rebuild with libkexif.  Now digikam should build.
[02:24] <JRe> allee: ok trying this
[02:26] <JRe> allee: seems to be working
[02:27] <allee> good.  Seems like we have to rebuild every lib that contains libXft.la  in it's la files
[02:27] <allee> Riddell: ^^^^^ 
[02:27] <JRe> allee: yes :)
[02:38] <JRe> allee: ok digikam builded
[02:38] <JRe> allee: thanks :)
[02:39] <JRe> allee: test is begining =)
[02:39] <JRe> allee: is it normal that there is no more standard labels ?
[02:40] <allee> JRe: standard labels?
[02:40] <JRe> allee: wait I make a screenshot
[02:40] <allee> JRe: small one.  I only have isdn ;)
[02:41] <JRe> ki
[02:42] <JRe> allee: http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=digikam7cq.jpg
[02:43] <allee> JRe: mhhm, I remember people complaining about People, Events etc.  and a related i18n() problem
[02:44] <allee> JRe: looks like they standard tags got removed as a solution.  I'll check that it's really a feature and not a bug
[02:44] <JRe> allee: in reality thet
[02:44] <JRe> allee: in reality they start to disapear in 0.8.0
[02:44] <JRe> allee: ok
[02:46] <JRe> allee: apart from that everything seems fine
[02:48] <allee> JRe: you do not miss by accident the umount menu item in Camera?  heh, heh
[02:48] <allee> JRe: thx for the test
[02:51] <sealne> woo!! dapper asks about http proxy :-)))
[02:52] <sealne> no more 8min timeout waits
[03:25] <Riddell> jjesse: docs meeting in #ubuntu-meeting
[03:25] <jjesse> grin thanks i forgot it was time
[03:36] <freeflying_> hi anyone indapper may do " echo $QTDIR " and tell me the reslut
[03:38] <Riddell> QTDIR isn't set in Debian/Kubuntu
[03:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: is that logo you have ment to be used for anything?
[03:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: both powersave and kpowersave uploaded
[03:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: do they use HAL?
[03:53] <Tonio_> yep
[03:53] <Tonio_> and dbus
[03:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there anything special with HAL I should have known ?
[03:54] <Riddell> no, I was just wondering if I'd remembered that correctly
[03:54] <Tonio_> ah ok ;)
[03:55] <Tonio_> kpowersave was a pain to package.......... really !
[03:55] <Riddell> we love you for it
[03:55] <Tonio_> lol
[03:55] <Tonio_> in fact most of the crappy things where resolved in the debian package...
[03:56] <Tonio_> when they are confirmed correct, I will email then to the debian maintainer
[03:58] <\sh> Riddell: pykde upstream will apply the patches...and tries to improve the support
[04:00] <Riddell> woo
[04:00] <\sh> and I have to give him some examples for kconfigxt in python 
[04:02] <Riddell> do you have any?
[04:03] <Tonio_> JRe: keep 0.2.0 packaged and uploaded, while I'm still waitin' for a po folder "ma poule" ;)
[04:03] <Riddell> my keyboard is in US layout and I can't find the backslash
[04:03] <\sh> Riddell: yepp :)
[04:04] <\sh> Riddell: I'll refactor my kpybt examples easily
[04:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: maybe for artwork if it's good enough
[04:16] <Tm_T> Riddell: just playing with ideas
[04:17] <Tm_T> Riddell: what you think? or ideas where it can be used?
[04:27] <nlindblad> hi
[04:35] <bobesponja> allee: thanx :)
[04:35] <allee> bobesponja: np :)
[04:52] <\sh> allee: ok..k3b is as well hit by the libXft.la issue
[04:52] <\sh> kbluetooth as well
[04:52] <\sh> and some other stuff which I have to find out which package it is
[04:53] <nlindblad> hi \sh
[04:53] <\sh> Riddell: libXft.la is gone...we have to check the packages for kde...k3b and what allee said libkexif libkipi digikam etc. there are a lot more 
[04:53] <\sh> hey nlindblad 
[04:54] <nlindblad> how come kmail isn't in the "Internet" submenu?
[04:55] <\sh> because it's replaced by kontact
[04:55] <\sh> in the office section
[04:55] <nlindblad> right
[04:55] <\sh> but you can easily add kmail to your panel without any difficulties :)
[04:56] <nlindblad> yeah
[05:05] <bobesponja> Tm_T: is kedubuntu  really planned or are you just doing it (the artwork) for fun?
[05:05] <bobesponja> Tm_T: it looks great anyway :)
[05:06] <nlindblad> bobesponja: URL?
[05:06] <bobesponja> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/
[05:07] <bobesponja> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/kedubuntu-1d.png and others
[05:07] <nlindblad> thanks
[05:07] <OculusAquilae> bobesponja: would be nice to have it 
[05:08] <\sh> OculusAquilae: does ogra know about it?
[05:08] <OculusAquilae> \sh: about what?
[05:08] <bobesponja> OculusAquilae: I think edubuntu should have been based on kde in the first place cause kde has such a great kdeedu project 
[05:08] <\sh> OculusAquilae: kedubuntu and this nice artwork?
[05:09] <bobesponja> OculusAquilae: and ubuntu too should have been basd on kde cuase it has such a great DE project ;)
[05:09] <\sh> bobesponja: kdeedu is used in edubuntu :)
[05:09] <OculusAquilae> bobesponja: right :)
[05:09] <bobesponja> \sh: i know but still, they should have picked kde as the main DE
[05:09] <bobesponja> :)
[05:09] <OculusAquilae> \sh: don't know
[05:12] <\sh> who did this artwork?
[05:12] <\sh> Tm_T: talk to ogra fast :)
[05:23] <Riddell> spstarr_work: there are no KDE 4 packages, it's not ready for packaging yet
[05:23] <spstarr_work> oh, so still in heavy development I was hoping to build it from SVN soon and begin to examine it
[05:24] <Riddell> spstarr_work: building from SVN is the way to go, although no paticular promises that it'll build at any given time
[05:24] <spstarr_work> given :)
[05:24] <Riddell> ** test flight 3 candidate CDs!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060113.1/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060113/
[05:27] <Lathiat> haha
[05:28] <Lathiat> one of my colleagues runs it now
[05:28] <Lathiat> as do i
[05:28] <Lathiat> on our work pcs
[05:28] <Lathiat> and this guy si like, never touched linux in his life
[05:28] <spstarr_work> :)
[05:28] <Lathiat> he is a computer tech tho
[05:28] <spstarr_work> I will become a Ubuntu desktop once the support of win2k expires on this machine im on :)
[05:28] <Riddell> spstarr_work, Lathiat: that's great to hear
[05:28] <spstarr_work> well, Kubuntu that is
[05:29] <Lathiat> i need to fix this 1 big in the remote desktop client
[05:29] <Lathiat> if you have dual monitor 
[05:29] <Lathiat> e.g. nvidia or atis bgi desktop - but with xinerama extensions to tell you the layout
[05:29] <spstarr_work> im interested to seeing how KDE 4 and Xegl is going to intergrate in some mannor
[05:29] <Lathiat> if you fullscreen the client, it fills one monitor
[05:29] <Lathiat> but the graphic part is centered as if it should be going accross both monitors
[05:29] <spstarr_work> I know QT has 'Arthor'
[05:29] <Lathiat> i figure there just using the wrong bit of info to put the imagine in the right spot
[05:29] <spstarr_work> (aka, Cairo for KDE)
[05:31] <verwilst> Riddell: when is flight 3 due?
[05:31] <verwilst> since my 5 dapper systems are going into production next week hehe
[05:31] <Riddell> verwilst: whenever we get all the CDs tested
[05:36] <jjesse> Riddell: are there any x86 cd's you need tested?
[05:37] <verwilst> gottogo!
[05:38] <Riddell> jjesse: yes, see the URLs above
[05:38] <jjesse> downloading
[05:39] <jjesse> hmm if i rsynced my .iso this morning will it be the latest?
[05:40] <Riddell> depends on your morning
[05:40] <Riddell> rsync again and find out
[05:40] <jjesse> i'm gmt -5
[05:41] <Riddell> timestamps at those cdimage URLs should be GMT
[05:43] <jjesse> yeah it was, cool working on it right now
[05:45] <bobesponja> i've just installed qt4.1 and I don't get any icons in designer-qt4 http://p80.free.fr/designer-qt4.png
[05:45] <bobesponja> anyone has the same problem?
[05:45] <Riddell> bobesponja: kubuntu packagfes?
[05:45] <bobesponja> Riddell: yes
[05:51] <bobesponja> Riddell: do you have the same problem?
[05:52] <Riddell> installing..
[05:53] <bobesponja> k
[05:56] <bobesponja> Riddell: I have the same problem with assistant-q4, no icon are displayed in the toolbar
[06:00] <Riddell> bobesponja: works for me
[06:00] <Riddell> bobesponja: breezy or dapper?
[06:01] <bobesponja> Riddell: drapper
[06:03] <Riddell> bobesponja: icons in assistant-qt4 work for me, if not the docs
[06:03] <bobesponja> Riddell: and in designer?
[06:04] <Riddell> yes, works there too
[06:07] <bobesponja> Riddell: see this http://lists.debian.org/debian-qt-kde/2006/01/msg00088.html
[06:08] <bobesponja> Riddell: did you  install libqt4-debug ?
[06:08] <Riddell> nope, installing..
[06:08] <bobesponja> I'm gonna remove it and see what happen, that seems to be the problem according to the thread
[06:11] <Riddell> yes, that breaks it
[06:11] <Riddell> so rename libqt4-debug to libqt4-addbug
[06:12] <bobesponja> :)
[06:49] <pef> hello
[06:49] <Riddell> yo pef
[06:49] <pef> Riddell: hello jonathan, happy to be able to come here :)
[06:51] <Riddell> pef: flight 3 candidates need testing if you're looking for something to do :)
[06:51] <Riddell> pef: also upstream version freeze next week, although I think universe has longer
[06:51] <pef> Riddell: currently I cannot install flight2 :/ 
[06:52] <pef> Riddell: doesn't find nor cdrom nor hard drive
[06:52] <jjesse>  Riddell: no problems w/ the live cd here
[06:52] <Riddell> jjesse: i386?
[06:52] <gobbe> i might test fligt3 with my desktop-computer because i have now this thinkpad for job :)
[06:52] <jjesse> correct i386
[06:52] <jjesse> i386 and using qemu to run it
[06:53] <Riddell> clever
[06:54] <jjesse> i've become a fan of using qemu to learn/test things
[06:54] <Riddell> I always found it too slow to be of use
[06:54] <jjesse> i have xp pro,breezy and dapper
[06:55] <jjesse> well for simple things that i wnat to do and learn it is easier then rebooting to a different operating system
[06:56] <sebas> For simple things to test on dapper, chroot is quite useful.
[06:56] <sebas> If you're running breezy or another linux, that is.
[07:00] <jjesse> is there a page or something that i can learn how to use chroot?
[07:00] <sebas> Google helps you.
[07:00] <jjesse> grin thnaks
[07:01] <sebas> The important thing is to bind mount /tmp, /dev and /proc in your chroot.
[07:01] <sebas> Then you can do most things, export DISPLAY=:0 and you can even run GIU programs.
[07:01] <sebas> (Maybe xhost - aswell)
[07:02] <pef> sebas: adding -d to dchroot command works well too for gui programs :)
[07:02] <sebas> Ah, thanks.
[07:02] <sebas> But that's dchroot, I was talking about chroot. (Not that I know the difference :D)
[07:52] <jjesse> Riddell: todays dapper i386 installed w/o issues on the install working on testing it
[07:59] <Riddell> jjesse: excellent, thanks
[08:01] <nlindblad> hello again
[08:11] <Riddell> hello nlindblad 
[08:14] <nlindblad> is the migration finished yet?
[08:17] <Riddell> not that I've heard
[08:18] <nlindblad> sounds like a big, big project
[08:19] <Riddell> I belive the script ran for a hour then broke so it's being done again
[08:19] <nlindblad> okey
[08:20] <nlindblad> but is Launchpad something from Canonical Ltd (the official sponsors of Ubuntu)?
[08:20] <nlindblad> *-s
[08:20] <Riddell> yes
[08:21] <Riddell> and it should be able to handle our needs much better than bugzilla
[08:21] <nlindblad> how come this migration hasn't been done before?
[08:21] <Riddell> bugzilla not being designed for 10,000 packages
[08:22] <Riddell> because lauchpad is a big project and wasn't ready before I guess
[08:22] <nlindblad> would be nice if KDE/GNOME/XFCE had their translation/bug tracking with Launchpad too
[08:24] <Riddell> nlindblad: well once dapper pacakges get ported into rosetta (translation part of launchpad) then I'll suggest to the KDE i18n teams that they use it
[08:24] <nlindblad> good
[08:24] <nlindblad> imagine if major projects would use Launchpad and some other distros joined in
[08:24] <nlindblad> lots of work saved
[08:26] <Mez> nlindblad, thats the whole concept behind it
[08:26] <nlindblad> I know
[08:26] <nlindblad> I'm just enjoying the thought of it
[08:27] <nlindblad> but is it right that Launchpad itself is not entirely free/libre software?
[08:27] <spstarr_work> i wanna see the source for it :)
[08:27] <Riddell> nlindblad: it's not at all Free
[08:27] <nlindblad> libre then
[08:27] <Riddell> but will be at some unspecified time in the future
[08:27] <nlindblad> open source
[08:27] <Riddell> that's what I ment
[08:27] <nlindblad> okey
[08:28] <nlindblad> but I thought Canonical Ltd were into libre software
[08:29] <Riddell> the rationale is that for launchpad they have very specific ideas about how it should work and the development of it wouldn't benefit from being open
[08:29] <Riddell> which is probably quite correct
[08:29] <nlindblad> I see
[08:29] <Riddell> but not everyone is happy about it not being Free
[08:29] <nlindblad> yeah, some projects might not join because of that
[08:55] <jjesse> how long do you think those kubuntu cd's will take to get to MI Riddell ?
[09:03] <Riddell> jjesse: MI?
[09:03] <jjesse> michigan, USA
[09:04] <Riddell> oh, no idea I'm afraid
[09:25] <bobesponja> Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060113/ torrent tracker seems to be dead
[10:29] <LaserJock> Riddell: ping?
[10:39] <Riddell> LaserJock: hi
[10:41] <LaserJock> Riddell: hi I was looking at merging kdeaccessibility and I wondered what "Remove GCC 3.4 on hppa" meant in the changelog
[10:42] <Riddell> LaserJock: gcc 4 had a problem on hppa for a while that ment thing didn't compile, so those pacakges were set to use gcc 3.4
[10:43] <LaserJock> Riddell: in debian/control?
[10:44] <Riddell> build-dep: gcc-3.4 [hppa] 
[10:44] <Riddell> plus some variable set in debian/rules
[10:46] <LaserJock> Riddell: sorry to be a bother but when I do grep hppa in /debian all I get is the changelog entry
[10:46] <Riddell> that's because it was removed
[10:47] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[10:47] <LaserJock> so we should be able to just sync it from Sid?
[11:11] <LaserJock> Riddell: the debian kdeaccessibility package built fine in my dapper pbuilder, should I ask for a sync?
[11:24] <Riddell> LaserJock: could you get me a debdiff of the current ubuntu and debian package
[11:25] <LaserJock> yeah
[11:26] <LaserJock> its 2.4MB
[11:27] <LaserJock> a lot of .svn stuff
[11:27] <Riddell> just diff the debian directories then
[11:27] <Riddell> hmm, in which?
[11:31] <LaserJock> well, there is some .svn stuff in debian/cdbs/
[11:32] <Riddell> in ubuntu or debian?
[11:35] <LaserJock> oh, the .svn is in ubuntu's debian/cdbs/
[11:36] <Riddell> ah, so my fault
[11:36] <Riddell> well find . -name .svn | xargs rm -rf
[11:36] <LaserJock> ok, if I exclude .svn from the debdiff the diff of the debian/ dirs is 795k
[11:36] <Riddell> then take a diff -urN
[11:37] <Riddell> crivvens
[11:37] <Riddell> can you put it on a webserver somewhere?
[11:37] <LaserJock> the diff? sure
[11:42] <LaserJock> Riddell: http://chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/kdeaccessibility_3.5.0-0ubuntu1.diff
[11:48] <Riddell> oh, branch patch and buildprep
[11:49] <Riddell> there's no signifiant changes in the debian version and some in the ubuntu version that need kept, just leave it
[11:50] <LaserJock> so don't sync, leave it as is?
[11:51] <Riddell> correct
[11:52] <Riddell> it'll probably get updated for KDE 3.5.1 anyway
[11:52] <LaserJock> when will that be?
[11:55] <Riddell> just after upstream version freeze
[11:55] <LaserJock> oh, ok