[12:05] <kevin> hi there is here German or English ?
[12:12] <joel86> english
[12:12] <starhawk> hi
[12:12] <joel86> hey
[12:13] <joel86> starhawk you know mutch of this linux ??
[12:13] <graft> hey anyone know anything about hal support in dapper?
[12:14] <starhawk> I am tring to set up the flash player in firefox and I downloaded the file and ran it on the command line as instructed but the plug in is not in any ideas
[12:14] <starhawk> I am pretty new
[12:14] <graft> what is 'the file'?
[12:14] <starhawk> flash player
[12:15] <graft> urgh
[12:15] <graft> what file, and where did you download it from?
[12:15] <Hanning> hey folks, having a major headache getting kubuntu to connect to the net
[12:15] <Hanning> anyone got any pointers?
[12:16] <graft> make sure it's plugged in...
[12:16] <Hanning> ISP: blueyonder, connected via an external motorola modem via network cable
[12:16] <starhawk> downloaded from flash player and it is called flash player
[12:16] <Hanning> working fine in windows & other distros
[12:16] <graft> Hanning: does it use DHCP or PPPoE?
[12:17] <Hanning> graft, DHCP I think, BUT kubuntu doesn't seem to be picking it up
[12:17] <graft> does it take a password?
[12:17] <Hanning> not usually
[12:18] <Hanning> ie. not on parents machine, sisters laptop, or my windoze
[12:18] <graft> starhawk, i have no idea wtf you're talking about... what do you mean, "Downloaded from flash player"? did you goto the macromedia website? or what?
[12:18] <starhawk> yes
[12:18] <graft> hrmm... how are you bringing up your interface?
[12:18] <graft> starhawk, and then you did what?
[12:18] <yellowdart> starhawk: in your /apt/sources.list you can enable the universe and multiverse repositories then "sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla"
[12:19] <starhawk> it said to run it in a terminal
[12:19] <graft> yeah, that's probably the best thing to do, what yellowdart said
[12:19] <SirKillalot> can someone help me with my konqueror? it always crashes when I try to look at the properties of a directory. here's the backtrace: http://nopaste.php-q.net/184191
[12:19] <starhawk> okay
[12:20] <graft> I think um
[12:20] <graft> !universe
[12:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[12:20] <Hanning> graft: ?? in non-techy?
[12:21] <graft> umm... how do you try to get connected to the net?
[12:22] <Hanning> I run a network cable from modem to my machine, switch off modem, switch on modem, boot up kubuntu, go to control centre and try to enable network connection
[12:22] <Hanning> which it tries to do and fails
[12:23] <graft> err... okay open a shell and type sudo ifconfig -a
[12:23] <graft> and see if 'eth0' is listed
[12:23] <dab> hi
[12:24] <Hanning> ok, to do that I've got to reboot into kubuntu so best give me a list of stuff to do/write down and I'll be back in 5 with it all
[12:24] <dab> i'm trying to watch an .avi with xine (i have the w32codecs) but it doesn't seem to recognize it. i get an error and i can see image but no sound
[12:24] <dab> what else should i install?
[12:25] <vge> i use irssi on Konsole, any quick solution to problem where there is no scrollbar on text that has been written
[12:26] <sampan> vge, there is an irssi command to scroll back
[12:26] <sampan> and you can set up aliases to make the command shorter and/or scroll larger amounts
[12:27] <graft> err... crap. um.
[12:27] <dabugas> btw, i have watched this file before on xine but on another kubuntu
[12:27] <sampan> vge, the default is /scrollback goto +/-linecount
[12:27] <vge> respect :)
[12:27] <graft> well, you want the output of 'sudo ifconfig -a' and 'lspci -v', Hanning
[12:27] <vge> i allways forgot that :)
[12:27] <sampan> vge, /sb goto +/- # works too :D
[12:27] <Hanning> graft, back in 5-ish
[12:27] <graft> err wait
[12:28] <graft> also if you have an eth0 interface try doing sudo ifup eth0 and see that that does
[12:28] <SirKillalot> can someone help me with my konqueror? it always crashes when I try to look at the properties of a directory. here's the backtrace: http://nopaste.php-q.net/184191
[12:28] <Hanning> okies
[12:33] <vge> 11
[12:33] <vge> 22
[12:33] <vge> 33
[12:33] <vge> 44
[12:33] <vge> 111
[12:33] <vge> 55
[12:33] <vge> hups
[12:33] <Hobbsee> vge: what are the numbers for?
[12:33] <dabugas> heh.... randomly installing relevant packages solved my problem: with akode-mpeg i get audio in xine :)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> hehe dabugas!  seems weird you had to have that though
[12:34] <kkathman> Hobbsee:  :)
[12:34] <dabugas> i just don't understand how this works...
[12:34] <dabugas> it seems
[12:35] <dabugas> maybe because i'm using arts? not gstreamer?
[12:35] <graft> dabugas: is there some sort of debug output?
[12:36] <sampan> <--- tickled pink with the upgraded amarok -- upgrading it solved the weird cpu usage it was showing on some files
[12:36] <sampan> 3 cheers!
[12:36] <Hobbsee> sampan: yay!
[12:36] <sampan> i'd almost given up on that app :/  some files were taking 20+% of my cpu
[12:36] <sampan> but now it's joy
[12:38] <graft> i'm peeved at amarok lately
[12:38] <graft> the past four versions have had bugs with the damn lyric finder
[12:38] <sampan> :/
[12:38] <graft> now there's a bug that's fixed in 1.3.8, which is only in CVS
[12:39] <graft> i'll have to wait a whole nother week until they release that
[12:39] <sampan> a week? that's not too bad - you should survive ;)
[12:39] <graft> maybe...
[12:39] <sampan> lol
[12:39] <graft> i'll just have to mumble lyrics until then
[12:40] <graft> "they told you never supposed to... um... come around here... don't wanna see your face.. umm..."
[12:45] <Hanning> I return
[12:46] <Hanning> graft: ok this is what I've got
[12:46] <crossbar> do any of you know some good software for linux that converts wav/mp3/cda into mobile formats ?
[12:46] <Hanning> ifconfig: eth0 Link encap: Ethernet HWaddr 00:10:DC:5E:FB:DC
[12:47] <Hanning> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:/
[12:47] <Hanning> Rx & T both all 0
[12:48] <Hanning> Interrupt: 5 Base address: 0xa400
[12:48] <graft> crossbar, what do you mean 'mobile formats'?
[12:48] <Hanning> lspci: 0000:00:08.0 - Realtek .....
[12:48] <graft> Hanning, okay never mind lspci
[12:49] <graft> what'd ifup do?
[12:49] <Hanning> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
[12:49] <graft> ah shit
[12:49] <graft> um
[12:49] <Hanning> yup, that's what I thought too
[12:49] <graft> that was my bad... should have anticipated that
[12:50] <crossbar> graft, rtttl maybe one that converts video too.
[12:50] <Hanning> the only thing that would kind of make sense is the different MAC addresses
[12:50] <graft> different mac addresses?
[12:50] <graft> oh do you have to register your mac address with the cable company?
[12:50] <Hanning> but since the modem/connection works fine in windows/on other computers that doesn't make sense in this case
[12:51] <Hanning> possibly something linked to the firewall?
[12:52] <graft> nah
[12:52] <graft> what you should do is do ifdown etho and then ifup eth0 to watch what it does when it's trying to get an IP
[12:54] <Hanning> ok, googling came up with this "To discover the DHCP server address, see Finding the DHCP server address. Pace digital TV STB users in ex-C&W regions of NTL should note that they have two DHCP servers, 10.0.xxx.70 and 10.0.xxx.71, and both need adding as trusted hosts to the firewall. Blueyonder users should note that they have two DHCP servers, and both need adding as trusted hosts to the firewall"
[12:54] <graft> well, you shouldn't have any firewall, anyway
[12:56] <Hanning> but if I have the firewall up and running could that be causing the problem?
[12:56] <graft> what firewall would you have up?
[12:57] <graft> it's just you and a modem...
[12:57] <Hanning> and the default kubuntu firewall
[12:57] <graft> ...which doesn't exist
[12:58] <Hanning> oh, ok
[12:58] <graft> how do you try to enable network connection again?
[01:00] <Hanning> though kde control panel
[01:00] <Hanning> network connections I think
[01:00] <graft> 'network settings' maybe?
[01:01] <graft> it has a list of available network interfaces?
[01:01] <Hanning> yup
[01:01] <graft> um. hrm
[01:01] <Hanning> it lists eth0 and when I try to enable it it doesn't work
[01:01] <graft> well seems like everything should work
[01:01] <slow-motion> n8
[01:01] <Hanning> it goes green, then back to red again
[01:02] <graft> and it's set to use dhcp
[01:02] <Hanning> yep
[01:02] <Hanning> either that or dhcpcd
[01:03] <graft> probably dhcp
[01:03] <Delvien> Has anyone been able to build VMware and configure in Dapper 2.6.15-11-386?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> graft: do you have a static IP or something?
[01:03] <graft> well, i'm buggered... i got nothing
[01:03] <Hanning> I also have another minor problem with using sudo
[01:03] <Delvien> http://pastebin.com/503265
[01:03] <graft> Hobbsee: it's Hanning's problem not mine
[01:04] <Hobbsee> graft: oops lol
[01:04] <Hanning> it keeps coming up with : sudo: unable to lookup via gethostbyname()
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Hanning: do you have a static IP or something?
[01:04] <Hanning> Hobbsee, yes
[01:04] <Psi-Jack> I have an Nvidia card, and I'm wondering why GL screensavers run /extremely/ slow. Any ideas?
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Hanning: can i go back a step, and ask you to do "sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0" and paste the entire thing it gives you to pastebin?
[01:06] <graft> wait, Hanning, what?
[01:06] <graft> you have a static ip?
[01:07] <Hanning> graft, yes
[01:07] <Hanning> at least it should be
[01:07] <graft> Hobbsee, he has to reboot into linux to do that
[01:07] <graft> what do you mean? you said you're using DHCP?
[01:07] <graft> you mean DHCP always gives you the same IP
[01:07] <Hobbsee> Hanning: do you *have* to have a static IP?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> that you set?
[01:07] <Hanning> maybe it's not a static IP then
[01:07] <Hanning> I don't have to set an IP
[01:07] <Hobbsee> ok, good
[01:08] <graft> Psi-Jack: probably DRI is not enabled?
[01:08] <Hanning> as far as I can tell it's tied to the modem
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> I'm fairly sure I enabled DRI...
[01:08] <graft> yeah, but there's a difference between you trying to enable it and it actually being enabled
[01:08] <graft> read your xorg log
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Hanning: have you dried running sudo ifdown eth0,  sudo dhclient, then sudo ifup eth0?
[01:08] <graft> there might be a line in there saying it's disabled
[01:08] <graft> then you have to do funky stuff to get it to work
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Hanning: if not, i'd reboot and try that, then come back
[01:08] <Psi-Jack> Yes.. load dri, load glx, load GLcore...
[01:08] <graft> you can test this by running 'glxgears'
[01:09] <Hanning> ok, I'll do ifdown & up and be back in 5
[01:09] <graft> which will tell you if DRI is enabled or not
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Hanning: make sure you do the dhclient too
[01:09] <Hanning> ok
[01:10] <Psi-Jack> glxgears runs very slow..
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> Okay. I just installed nvidia-glx from apt. BRB
[01:12] <graft> err... are you running from the command line?
[01:12] <graft> glxgears
[01:12] <Psi-Jack> Yes from Konsole./
[01:13] <graft> and it doesn't say anything on stderr?
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> Nothing
[01:13] <graft> well you definitely have DRI then
[01:13] <graft> if you wait it should report FPS, though
[01:13] <graft> if you give it like 20 seconds or something
[01:13] <Psi-Jack> I just got nvidia-glx, and ran nvidia-glx-config enable.
[01:14] <dgeyer> Does anyone have problems with there network. I have to do a networking restart every 5 mins
[01:14] <dgeyer> on my DNS server
[01:14] <Psi-Jack> So, I'll be riiiight back. :)
[01:15] <dgeyer> Any ideas?
[01:15] <dgeyer> Kubuntu 5.10
[01:17] <Psi-Jack> Much better!
[01:20] <dgeyer> Any ideas on the networking issue?
[01:20] <Hanning> ok gents
[01:22] <Hanning> graft, Hobbsee : ifdown there is already a pid file /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid with pid 7820 process killed and pid removed
[01:22] <Hanning> listening & sending on: mac address
[01:22] <vader> is there anyone here knowledgeable on wireless?
[01:23] <GameOver> i have a problem... for some reason i cant unistall xmms without unistalling superkaramba..... and vice versa... anyway to just uninstall xmms without this hassle?
[01:23] <Hanning> dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on 255.255.255.255 on port 67
[01:23] <Hanning> ... until no DHCP OFFERS recieved, no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[01:23] <Hanning> and ifup gives same output
[01:24] <kkathman> Hanning - I had that same problem right after I did the recent Adept updates
[01:24] <kkathman> I had to switch to dhcp
[01:24] <kkathman> I think its a problem
[01:24] <Flixor-> so my podcast has a xml feed
[01:25] <Hanning> kkathman, which kernel are you running?
[01:25] <vge> somebody got COMPAQ NX6110 and a working wireless connection? :-)
[01:26] <kkathman> 2.6.12-10-386
[01:26] <Hanning> I'm still running 2.6.12.6
[01:27] <Hanning> and I can't get any net connectivity at all
[01:27] <kkathman> ahh
[01:27] <kkathman> hmm
[01:27] <kkathman> well you should know that the kubuntu network settings doesnt work well at all
[01:27] <kkathman> have you tried static ip?
[01:28] <Hanning> graft, still stumped?
[01:28] <Hanning> kkathman, not yet
[01:28] <Hanning> I'd have to find out what my modems IP is just now
[01:28] <kkathman> Hanning: yes, thats your gateway
[01:29] <vge> graphic setups replaces gateway from /etc/network/interfases with "network" for me, kinda weard, and noticed?
[01:29] <Psi-Jack> Okay, how do I get KDE to only load what I tell it to, on startup, instead of restoring the state it was previously, every single time?
[01:30] <Hanning> if kubuntu wasn't such a nice distro I'd have given up long before now
[01:31] <Psi-Jack> I've just about considered giving up Windows almost completely, because of Kubuntu. :)
[01:31] <Psi-Jack> I've been a long time user of Linux, but for the past several years, I haven't used Linux at all. But, I've used Linux since before it was, and I stress this strongly, FINALLY 1.0.0. :)
[01:32] <trinidad> what is a good app for paritioning drives once kubuntu is installed
[01:32] <trinidad> ?
[01:32] <graft> Psi-Jack: there's a session manager option for that
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> trinidad: fdisk?
[01:32] <trinidad> non-fdisk app please?
[01:32] <trinidad> thanks though
[01:32] <trinidad> there was one called g something or other
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> trinidad: Umm, How about.. A pencil, screw-driver, and vacuum sealed room, then?
[01:33] <trinidad> psi-jack, that is another way,  but i don't have a clean room for that
[01:33] <Psi-Jack> Aka, what I'm saying is, fdisk works just fine. ;p
[01:34] <graft> Hanning, um. well, i dunno. you have an ethernet interface, it does DHCP discovery... only thing i can think of is something's wrong with your wire/modem, but obviously it works in whatever you're using now (which is what?)
[01:34] <trinidad> Psi-Jack::> have you heard of gparted?
[01:34] <Psi-Jack> graft: Hmm, Where is the session manager?
[01:34] <graft> Psi-Jack: KDE control center
[01:34] <trinidad> Psi-Jack::> from Kcontrol
[01:34] <Hanning> graft, other linux distro
[01:34] <Psi-Jack> trinidad: I've heard of parted. And it was dangerous, semi-sorta, when I used it.
[01:34] <Hanning> graft, and it's having no problems at all
[01:34] <graft> Hanning: um. what ethernet card do you have?
[01:34] <trinidad> ok
[01:34] <Psi-Jack> Is it the Login Manager?
[01:35] <trinidad> in KDE section, its called Session Manager
[01:35] <graft> Psi-Jack: no, it's in KDE components, session manager
[01:35] <Psi-Jack> Oh! KDE components.
[01:35] <Hanning> graft, Realtek semiconductor Co. apparently
[01:35] <graft> what kernel is this distro running?
[01:36] <trinidad> graft::> what distro?
[01:36] <Hanning> what's the command for the kernel version again?
[01:36] <bimberi> uname -r
[01:36] <Psi-Jack> graft: Umm. Well, I have the KDE Components open, now..
[01:37] <Psi-Jack> But. I do not see a session manager anywhere in it.
[01:37] <Hanning> 2.6.12-1.1372_FC3
[01:37] <graft> Psi-Jack: uh... wha?
[01:37] <hawking> I have 3000 new mail in my gmail inbox but kmail just gets one when I say get mail
[01:37] <hawking> why is that?
[01:37] <Psi-Jack> graft: I went to System Settings, KDE Components.
[01:38] <Psi-Jack> Oh. What the heck. kcontrol != "system settings"
[01:38] <graft> wait, Hanning WTF? You're running 2.6.12 on BOTH distros? and it still doesn't work?!?
[01:39] <graft> Hanning, does it report the same MAC address for eth0 on both distros?
[01:39] <Hanning> graft, exactly! I keep getting this feeling that k/ubuntu doesn't like me since I never seem to have much luck with them :(
[01:39] <Psi-Jack> Okay. That'll fix that. Now, how would I make like.. My own "startup" group, or something, for only things I specifically add to it, will start.
[01:39] <Psi-Jack> On login..
[01:39] <graft> um
[01:39] <graft> Psi-Jack: you can set it up the way you like
[01:39] <graft> and then do 'save session'
[01:40] <Hanning> same mac address
[01:40] <graft> same kernel module?
[01:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I'd rather not do it that way. I was more hoping for a way I could do it without relying on KDE's session manager.
[01:40] <graft> does it try to load bullshit ipv6 modules?
[01:40] <Psi-Jack> graft: Kinda like using Windows' Startup group, was what I was looking for.
[01:41] <graft> Psi-Jack, that's the simplest way to do it... oh
[01:41] <Snake__> How do I tell ifconfig what IP I want to use?
[01:41] <graft> um... you can also link things in your .kde/Autostart
[01:41] <graft> make symbolic links to whatever you want to launch there
[01:41] <Psi-Jack> Ahhhh.. :)
[01:41] <graft> but KDE session manager is neater
[01:41] <graft> it'll restore tabs in Konsole and such
[01:41] <Hanning> man, I've just realised I haven't slept since Wednesday
[01:41] <graft> even with names!
[01:41] <fdelacruz> hi guys gudmorning! im from ph, is this real? last night I heared from the news that in US sending an annoying emails are now considered as a crime?
[01:42] <graft> Hanning: do you use the same kernel module for your ethernet in both distros?
[01:42] <Snake__> fdelacruz, I doubt it
[01:42] <graft> fdelacruz: it's bullshit, don't pay attention
[01:42] <graft> based on misinterpretation of a law
[01:42] <fdelacruz> oh k
[01:42] <Hanning> graft, you mean do I use the same kernel? or do I use the same version?
[01:42] <graft> they extended harassment law to cover internet as well as cell phones, land lines, etc.
[01:43] <graft> no, i mean... your kernel loads a module for your ethernet card, yes?
[01:43] <Hanning> yes
[01:43] <graft> is it the same module in both of your distros?
[01:43] <Hanning> how would I check?
[01:43] <graft> um. lsmod?
[01:44] <graft> unfortunately i dunno how to check which kernel module is responsible for which network interface
[01:44] <hawking> how can i connect to usenet? what are the other common news servers ? can akregator connect to it?
[01:46] <sampan> hawking  often your isp will have a usenet server you can connect to (though the coverage and retention rates may not be perfect).  i use Pan (nice newsreader app) to do usenet
[01:46] <graft> hawking, really depends on your ISP
[01:46] <Hanning> nothing seems to jump out and say "I'm the module you're looking for"
[01:46] <graft> and, yeah, pan is awesome
[01:46] <hawking> I see
[01:47] <graft> hawking: do you have like 8139too or something loaded?
[01:47] <graft> herr, not hawking Hanning
[01:47] <hawking> graft : no
[01:47] <hawking> graft oops
[01:47] <hawking> :)
[01:47] <sampan> hawking, there are other usenet servers, both free and pay (pay per month or per unit of download). google is your friend with those though
[01:47] <hawking> sampan : okie :)
[01:48] <Hanning> 8139too
[01:48] <graft> yeh
[01:48] <Hanning> yup
[01:48] <Hanning> ok, better check kubuntu, brb
[01:56] <fu-k-t> hi
[01:56] <fu-k-t> i'm a first-time linux user, and i just installed kubuntu
[01:58] <sampan> congrats -- on both decisions (to try linux and to install kubuntu) :)
[01:58] <fu-k-t> i have a problem that i suspect is minor for an experienced user, so i hope i'm not spamming to ask this: my fonts are ridiculously large in every application
[01:59] <fu-k-t> thank you, sampan :)
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. Other things I'm trying to tweak..
[01:59] <fu-k-t> i feel like a senior citizen right now, though
[01:59] <fu-k-t> any quick suggestions?
[01:59] <graft> fu-k-t: goto KDE control center, Fonts
[01:59] <graft> err, rater, fu-k-t, goto KDE control center/Appearance and Themes/Fonts
[01:59] <Psi-Jack> When I put a CD/DVD in my drive, KDE pulls up some auto-run implementation of it's own. AND opens Konq on it at the same time. Why is this? :)
[02:01] <Psi-Jack> That happends to a DVD/CD, a USB drive, etc..
[02:02] <fu-k-t> hmm
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> And when it opens it, in Konq, the auto-opened one, it opens it to media:/hda, and when I tell the autorun window that pops up, to open in a new window, it opens another tab to system:/media/hda
[02:02] <fu-k-t> i adjusted the font size way down
[02:02] <fu-k-t> but when i opened a new app, then fonts were still huge
[02:02] <fu-k-t> do i need to restart kde perhaps?
[02:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[02:04] <sampan> fu-k-t  were these kde apps?  or non-kde ones? (like firefox, thunderbird, etc.)?
[02:04] <fu-k-t> it was adept package manager
[02:04] <fu-k-t> so i assume that's kde
[02:04] <yellowdart> fu-k-t: were these apps admin apps? (required a password to start)
[02:05] <Psi-Jack> Adept is actually a GTK application.
[02:05] <fu-k-t> yellowdart: yes
[02:05] <Psi-Jack> But, KDE should imbue it's "stuff" onto it, even still. heh
[02:05] <sampan> fu-k-t  in system settings --> appearance -- click on the gtk styles and fonts, then make sure the "use my KDE settings are used in non-kde apps" box is checked
[02:05] <yellowdart> fu-k-t: ok...go to K menu then right-click on system settings
[02:05] <fu-k-t> yup, already done
[02:06] <fu-k-t> yellowdart: k
[02:06] <yellowdart> edit item
[02:06] <yellowdart> run as different user
[02:06] <fu-k-t> and root?
[02:06] <yellowdart> no, leave it empty...then save
[02:07] <yellowdart> start system settings...should ask for a password
[02:07] <fu-k-t> ok
[02:07] <yellowdart> then change the fonts/themes/etc
[02:07] <fu-k-t> yup
[02:08] <yellowdart> it's because sudo brings up the settings for the root user...which are different than your normal user
[02:08] <fu-k-t> brilliant! that did it
[02:08] <fu-k-t> thank you very much
[02:08] <yellowdart> np
[02:08] <yellowdart> now make sure that you uncheck the "run as different user"
[02:09] <Psi-Jack> Anyone have any suggestions for my issues I described? :)
[02:13] <MrMazda> how do I get past "preparing for installation" on first boot?
[02:13] <graft> you wait, hopefully, MrMazda
[02:13] <MrMazda> how long?
[02:14] <graft> not long?
[02:14] <graft> dunno
[02:14] <MrMazda> hasn't done anything apparent for 10 minutes
[02:14] <graft> possibly your CD is fuct
[02:14] <graft> burned improperly or corrupt download
[02:14] <graft> which happens quite often, actually
[02:14] <MrMazda> CD was fine for last install
[02:14] <MrMazda> Alt-F8 stuck at setting up general console font
[02:15] <MrMazda> Alt-F3 stuck at xresprobe
[02:18] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm..
[02:19] <Psi-Jack> Nothing, eh? I don't get why KDE opens a Konq AND pops up a KDE Daemon window asking what to do with it.
[02:20] <calilasseia> Hello everyone ...
[02:20] <calilasseia> First question ... I'm relatively new to this ... how do I set up a cron job?
[02:20] <graft> hey Psi-Jack ... have you got an Autorun.desktop somewhere?
[02:20] <robotgeek> calilasseia: man crontab, or use kcron to set it up for you
[02:21] <Psi-Jack> graft: This is still mostly stock install of Kubuntu 5.10
[02:21] <dark_suic> MrMazda, u trying to install in a laptop?
[02:21] <calilasseia> OK ... thanks robotgeek ... only I want to set up cron to automaticaly update the system via apt-get or however ...
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> graft: And where would I find an Autorun.desktop, if I have one? hgeh
[02:22] <graft> locate, locate, locate
[02:22] <robotgeek> yeah, you could do that
[02:22] <calilasseia> I've got Kcron running now ...
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> Did that. But no Autorun found with locate.
[02:22] <graft> calilasseia: that's an extremely BAD idea
[02:22] <calilasseia> Oh?
[02:22] <graft> yes
[02:22] <Psi-Jack> What's wrong with KCron?
[02:22] <calilasseia> Why?
[02:22] <graft> no, not KCron
[02:23] <graft> automatically updating the system via cron jobs
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> Oh. heh kay.
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> OH!
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> That is a bad idea!
[02:23] <calilasseia> Ah ...
[02:23] <calilasseia> So you're saying I should always do updates manually?
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> graft: Any other suggestions?
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> calilasseia: Definately!
[02:23] <graft> erm. dunno, what's in .kde/Autostart?
[02:23] <calilasseia> Right ...
[02:23] <calilasseia> Noted!
[02:23] <Psi-Jack> graft: .directory
[02:24] <graft> or /usr/share/autostart
[02:24] <calilasseia> Next question ... I downloaded Skype for Linux ... the installation package is a .deb file ...
[02:24] <graft> calilasseia: sudo dpkg -i <file>
[02:24] <Psi-Jack> graft: There's a couple files there. kdesktop.desktop, kongy_preload.desktop, etc.
[02:25] <calilasseia> Ah, but will that install in a sensibe directory? Only i'm aware that Linux has a directory structure and it's best adhered to ...
[02:25] <Hanning> hullo
[02:25] <calilasseia> What's the sensible location to install Skype in ???
[02:25] <Hanning> apologies for delay but I've returned
[02:25] <graft> Psi-Jack: yeah, i dunno, that's my best bet i guess
[02:25] <calilasseia> Hello Hanning ...
[02:25] <graft> Psi-Jack: i mean, your best bet... munge around in there or something
[02:26] <robotgeek> calilasseia: if you install it from the .deb, it will take care of all that
[02:26] <Hanning> graft, in short I've reinstalled kubuntu, tried setting up network manually using ip/gateway addresses and no luck
[02:26] <calilasseia> Ah, it has the target directory information in the package?
[02:26] <vge> does it make me a pervert to use Windows background Follow.jpg in KDE? :)
[02:26] <Hanning> I then tried using dchp, with no luck either
[02:26] <Psi-Jack> Aha
[02:26] <calilasseia> VGE, my understanding is that you can use whatever background you darn well please :)
[02:26] <Hanning> but I did find out something that is important!
[02:27] <Psi-Jack> I got it. There was a configure button on the KDE Daemon window that pops up. So I did it..
[02:27] <calilasseia> So long as the image isn't illegal of course :)
[02:27] <graft> Psi-Jack: heh... imagine that
[02:27] <Hanning> I have an extra module in kubuntu kernel called "8139cp" that isn't in my Fedora kernel
[02:27] <MrMazda> dark_suic: no laptop. Just installed Debian Etch on it this AM
[02:27] <graft> ooh... have you got 8139too, too?
[02:27] <Hanning> yep
[02:27] <MrMazda> still nothing
[02:27] <graft> ahhh
[02:27] <calilasseia> Next question ... I recently updated kubuntu from the Breezy repositories ...
[02:28] <dark_suic> ok, sounds weird, i had a similar problem with a laptop, but it was because of the **** sound drivers...
[02:28] <calilasseia> Sometimes it has glitches shutting down ...
[02:28] <graft> well, kill 8139cp
[02:28] <graft> since 8139too clearly works
[02:28] <Psi-Jack> Under KDE Control Module, Advanced tab, and turned off Enable medium application autostart after mount.
[02:28] <Hanning> is that as simple as typing "kill -9 8139cp"?
[02:28] <graft> no
[02:28] <MrMazda> dark_suic: my guess is it's too stupid to copy packages from CD after saying no to copy packages to HD during initial install
[02:28] <graft> do modprobe -r 8139cp 8139too
[02:28] <graft> then modprobe 8139too
[02:29] <graft> then try to bring up your ethernet interface
[02:29] <graft> and hopefully that will work
[02:29] <dark_suic> don't know :P just maybe it doesn't like your computer :P
[02:29] <graft> after that you have to figure out how to prevent it from automatically loading that module
[02:29] <graft> probably by editing /etc/modules
[02:29] <dark_suic> i'm sorry, but i have to go to bed now, see you and good luck :)
[02:29] <calilasseia> Previously under Hoary, when I shut down Kubuntu it automatically went to the CTRL-ALT-F1 screen and listed everything that was being shut down ...
[02:29] <Hanning> graft, danke dir herzlich for the help
[02:29] <calilasseia> Now I've updated with Breezy, it glitches ...
[02:30] <Hanning> I might be back in a bit if it works otherwise I'm off to bed
[02:30] <Hanning> I'll pop back tomorrow with an update
[02:30] <MrMazda> dark_suic: top on tty2 root login shows apt-get using 99% CPU
[02:31] <calilasseia> How do I get Breezy to transfer to the CTL-ALT-F1 shutdown screen without glitching?
[02:31] <dgeyer> Anyone have problems with Adept crashing after update. Kubuntu Flight 2
[02:31] <dgeyer> Anyway to fix it
[02:33] <MrMazda> dark_suic: network OK, I can ping google
[02:34] <graft> calilasseia: what do you mean, glitches?
[02:34] <calilasseia> The screen flickers and the text is all concentrated at the top ... then when it tries the final shutdown it just hangs ...
[02:34] <MrMazda> killing apt-get doesn't help - it just restarts and goes back top 99%
[02:35] <calilasseia> Will an update cure it or is it something I have to fix manually?
[02:35] <graft> no idee
[02:35] <calilasseia> OK ..
[02:36] <calilasseia> It's time I did an update anyway ... see if that cures things ...
[02:36] <calilasseia> I'll log out and give it a try ...
[02:36] <calilasseia> Thanks for your help ...
[02:36] <calilasseia> Bye ...
[02:39] <xwolf-> yo, i'm getting an error here... KDE can't start as my 'igor' login, i have to login as root (with 'startx &'), it says it can't do something with "/home/igor/.ICEauthority", can anyone help me?
[02:42] <sampan> xwolf-  you could make a backup of the file (to restore if this doesn't work), then delete the original, then try -- maybe it will be recreated properly?  but i'm just guessing
[02:42] <Godot[Blippe] > xwolf-,  sudo chown sam /home/sam/.ICEauthority
[02:42] <Godot[Blippe] > excence sam with your login
[02:42] <Godot[Blippe] > *exchange
[02:43] <Knowerrors> Hey all, how do you clear the K Hotnewstuff memory?  I deleted a couple Superkaramba themes I had installed this way, but hotnewstuff thinks theyre still there
[02:43] <xwolf-> the .ICEauthority file is null
[02:43] <xwolf-> is there a problem?
[02:44] <sampan> null?  has no content?
[02:44] <xwolf-> no content at all
[02:44] <xwolf-> i opened with vim and with kate
[02:44] <Blippe> it is supposed to be null
[02:44] <sampan> hrmmmmm --- i get content when i cat it
[02:44] <Blippe> you do?
[02:44] <sampan> yep
[02:45] <sampan> not all is readable, but some is
[02:45] <Blippe> xwolf-,  just chown it
[02:45] <sampan> hostname, dcop, MAGIC-COOKIE ... etc. etc.
[02:45] <xwolf-> ok, hang on
[02:46] <xwolf-> let me test it
[02:46] <Blippe> xwolf-,  it that doesn't work, i think deleting it might (or at least renaming it)
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> What's that sources builder site?
[02:47] <Blippe> !source-o-matic
[02:47] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:47] <Psi-Jack> Thank-ye.
[02:47] <Blippe> np
[02:49] <xwolf-> it worked ;)
[02:49] <xwolf-> thank you Blippe sampan
[02:50] <sampan> glad you're back to normal!
[02:50] <xwolf-> hehe
[02:50] <Blippe> np
[02:50] <phasegen> anyone here run wine?
[02:51] <Blippe> phasegen,  yes
[02:51] <phasegen> Blippe: do you run any games?
[02:51] <Blippe> no, not really
[02:52] <Knowerrors> Hey all, for anybody using KDE 3.5 and Superkaramba, this http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=32541 to me is a great kde improvement to try and support, check it out!
[02:52] <phasegen> Blippe: bummer...  I was hoping to see what kind of problems I would run into with configuration.
[02:54] <phasegen> oh well...  Can anyone dcc me a beer?
[02:54] <Blippe> phasegen, look up the wine homepage, they have a tiny list of games and how to get them to work as good as possible...
[02:54] <Blippe> phasegen, you might be lucky
[02:55] <jean> hi
[02:55] <jean> i cant quit eye of gnome in fullscreen mode, is there a way to do so on a terminal?
[02:55] <Blippe> have you tried alt-f4?
[02:55] <jean> yeah
[02:56] <Blippe> otherwise ps -A will give you a list of processes on your system...
[02:56] <phasegen> Blippe:  Thank You!  Two of 4 games I like, won't run under Cedega, but I'd heard that I could use actual windows dll's with wine...
[02:56] <Blippe> find eye of gnome in there
[02:56] <Blippe> phasegen, good luck!
[02:57] <Blippe> when you found it typ killall (name of process)
[02:57] <Blippe> jean, you got that?
[02:57] <jean> yes, thanks Blippe
[02:57] <jean> ill try taht
[02:58] <Blippe> otherwise xkill probably works...
[02:58] <Blippe> might be easier :D
[03:00] <Psi-Jack> Hey, anyone use Kubuntu with an ATI Radeon? I'm having trouble with a system running slowly, playing DVD's.
[03:01] <MrMazda> dark_suic: CD tested good
[03:02] <rance> hi kids, hows things
[03:02] <jean> arr Blippe, how can i scroll up in a terminal?
[03:03] <Blippe> scrollwheel, the bar at the right and probably a few more
[03:07] <calilasseia> Back again ... I tried installing Skype and hit a problem ...
[03:08] <calilasseia> KPackage said that the package had a dependency - a file called libqt3c102-mt ...
[03:09] <calilasseia> Trouble is there's already a file installed libqt3-mt ... and in the properties panel it says that the installed file conflicts with libqt3c102-mt ...
[03:09] <rednaxel>  hi all
[03:09] <rance> I need some help figuring out which package I need to look for, I installed php5-mysql but im getting an when I try to log in that the mysql server doesnt like the client software, considier upgrading, so I tested my mysql client stuff and shure enough it was for the mysql version on localhost, I had to install the version for the remote server.
[03:10] <rance> mysql is connecting fine, buy php-mysql still says im connecting with the wrong version
[03:10] <rance> how should I fix that?
[03:10] <rednaxel> I crashed "gcompris" on my Kubuntu and now it's stuck on 800x600 - it was 1024x768 before
[03:10] <calilasseia> The change log for libqt3-mt says "Add a libqt3c102-mt-dbg package."
[03:11] <Blippe> calilasseia look in the forums, there is a real nice guide for getting the deb for skype to understand that 3 is higher than 102 :D
[03:11] <calilasseia> Forums?
[03:11] <Blippe> ubuntuforum.org
[03:11] <calilasseia> I'll take a look ...
[03:11] <Blippe> wait a sec, i will find the page for you!
[03:11] <calilasseia> OK, waiting ... :)
[03:16] <Blippe> calilasseia, look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto (found it on the wiki) and scroll down to "Building your own skype package"
[03:16] <Blippe> or !saveas
[03:16] <Blippe> !saveas
[03:16] <ubotu> Blippe: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:16] <ftg2> bummer. compiled the nvidia driver.. switching to virtual consoles corrupts the screen. switching back to X freezes the machine :\
[03:17] <ftg2> the precompiled nvidia driver was working perfectly :(
[03:17] <Blippe> calilasseia, saveas have it in their debs, look at ubotus source-o-matic response
[03:17] <Blippe> !source-o-matic
[03:17] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[03:18] <chemaja> does gnu bash no longer supply texinfo documentation? or does kubuntu choose not to include it? or...? (`info bash' gives me a manpage-looking document)
[03:19] <_trym> whicih protocol is kde desktop sharing?
[03:20] <Blippe> vnc
[03:20] <trym_> whicih protocol is kde desktop sharing?
[03:21] <trym_> iow, how do I connect to a shared desktop
[03:21] <Blippe> trym_ i told you vnc
[03:21] <trym_> sorry i got disconnected
[03:21] <Blippe> xvncwiever
[03:21] <trym_> thanks :)
[03:21] <calilasseia> OK, I checked that sources page ... it gave me some text which I presume I copy and paste into sources.list ...
[03:22] <Blippe> calilasseia, yes, but if you're uncomfortable with that, just follow the guide in the wiki for building your own package, it is fast and it does work
[03:23] <calilasseia> I'll give the sources a try first and see if that works ...
[03:24] <Blippe> ah, the easy way out i hear! :D
[03:24] <Blippe> don't forget the gpg's
[03:24] <calilasseia> If that doesn't work and it falls on its face, I'll return to the Wiki and build a deb the hard way :)
[03:26] <e_machinist> I have 317,000kb of physical memory being used and I have Konversation, Konq, and KSysGuard running... is that a normal amount of usage?
[03:27] <Blippe> e_machinist, look with free -m , and yeah, it is!
[03:28] <e_machinist> Blippe: thanks.
[03:29] <e_machinist> Any idea how I can remove all the gnome crud that came with the default ubuntu install... now that I got the kubuntu-desktop stuff up and running.
[03:29] <Blippe> e_machinist, sysguard doesn't really show how much of the memory really is "used" (as in used right now and not dumpable) and memory loaded in the memory but just for keepsakes, and isn't really needed and will be dumped as quick as the system neds it
[03:31] <Blippe> that sounds like a real nice resolution :D
[03:31] <e_machinist> Blippe: thanks for the info.
[03:31] <rednaxel> Blippe: i would prefer my old 1024x768
[03:32] <Blippe> rednaxel, so what did happen, drivers or maybe  a new xorg?
[03:33] <rednaxel> Blippe: everything was fine until I installed gcompris - it changes the resolution when running
[03:33] <rednaxel> and restores it back when exit normally
[03:33] <rednaxel> but it crashed
[03:34] <Blippe> well, restart x then?
[03:34] <Blippe> log in and out...
[03:34] <hawking> what's the easiest way to learn if my camera is detected or not?
[03:34] <rednaxel> Blippe: dpkg-reconfigure... nothing works
[03:36] <e_machinist> Does anyone know how to remove all the darned gnome related stuff from the default ubuntu install now that I have the kubuntu "way" set up?
[03:36] <calilasseia> OK, Adept says Skype is installed ...
[03:36] <Blippe> rednaxel, i don't know, i never had a problem with x that turning it of and on didn't solve
[03:38] <Blippe> hawking start kopete and go Settings - Configure - Devices
[03:38] <sampan> e_machinist  are you desperately short on drive space?  if not, there's no real reason to remove it -- it hurts nothing.  and if you plan on running any gtk apps, you'll need the gnome libs at least
[03:38] <Blippe> rednaxel well, then you should know way more than i do on how to fix it :P
[03:38] <rednaxel> it's 2006 - I hate losing time with stupid things like "X resolution" AGAIN
[03:38] <Blippe> e_machinist, if you find out a way, be sure to tell me!
[03:38] <e_machinist> sampan: naw, I'm good on disk space, just can't stand 3 different package managers, 2 calculators, 2 user managers, 3 system monitors, etc.
[03:38] <e_machinist> haha.
[03:38] <e_machinist> Blippe: haha, will do.
[03:39] <sampan> e_machinist  remove them from your kmenu and you won't ever know they're there ;)
[03:39] <calilasseia> Well, Skype runs ... :)
[03:39] <e_machinist> sampan: heh, might be what I do.
[03:39] <Blippe> e_machinist, I've "heard" that removing all the libs and then reinstalling kde again will cure al your problems..
[03:39] <calilasseia> Only problem is the default colours are AWFUL ...
[03:39] <sampan> e_machinist  that's what i did too :D
[03:40] <rednaxel> Blippe: maybe it's why I *never* could move 100% to Linux - I can't afford to lose time configuring stupid things; if it was business hours by now, I would have to boot on Windows
[03:40] <calilasseia> For some reason Skype's login window has white text on a white background (sigh) ...
[03:41] <Matei> I just recently got Kubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 5160 laptop with a pentium 4, and although it works very well I notice that it keeps my fan on low all the time, whereas Windows doesn't. All the Linux live CD's I've tried seem to do the same thing. What can I do to make it turn the fan completely off when nothing is happening?
[03:41] <Blippe> :D rednaxel, at my workplace playing with gcompris would be called work :P
[03:41] <rednaxel> Blippe: I installed it for my daugther
[03:41] <rednaxel> silly mistake
[03:41] <Blippe> :D
[03:42] <Blippe> calilasseia, I might just install skype just to see that!
[03:42] <hawking> tor is automatically started at start-up how can i stop that?
[03:42] <moshe> good evening, guys and gals
[03:43] <moshe> woudl anyone happen to know why alsa keeps resetting my volume levels?  I tried running alsamixer and alsactl store but they still reset.
[03:43] <calilasseia> Blippe, it wouldn't have anything to do with my nonstandard desktop colour choices would it?
[03:44] <Blippe> rednaxel, you might have better luck asking at the #ubuntu-forums
[03:44] <Blippe> calilasseia, well, try to change em and see?
[03:47] <calilasseia> Just switched temporarily to KDE default scheme ... that lets me see the text ...
[03:47] <Blippe> calilasseia, I feel a wee bit cheated here, I didn't get any funny results.
[03:47] <calilasseia> Trouble is I ***hate*** the default scheme with a vengeance ....
[03:47] <Blippe> oh
[03:48] <calilasseia> I spent time creating this nice relaxing colour scheme and for some reason several apps hate my choices ...
[03:48] <calilasseia> I suspect those apps don't bother selecting background colours properly ... otherwise my text would be prefectly legible ...
[03:49] <calilasseia> Yep, I change back to my nice relaxing colour scheme and boom ...
[03:50] <calilasseia> The standard KDE apps all render properly but Skype doesn't ...
[03:50] <ftg2> i disabled the splash screen / framebuffer at boot. the nvidia driver is no longer corrupting the virtual terminals / crashing the system.. i suppose i can live without that pretty splash
[03:50] <calilasseia> Even Firefox works with my colour choices which I didn't expect having had trouble with colours on the Window version ...
[03:51] <e_machinist> If I remove some gnome libs and junk... I could always reinstall then in the future should I need them for an app under KDE?
[03:51] <Blippe> e yes
[03:52] <e_machinist> Blippe: looks like I'm gonna go GNOME extermination crazy then.
[03:53] <calilasseia> Right, i'm off to go and get some work done :)
[03:53] <Blippe> e_machinist, I might just tell you that i didn't dare doing it :P
[03:54] <calilasseia> Thanks for the help by the way Blippe! :)
[03:54] <Blippe> np
[04:04] <rance> could someone help me with a package location question? I need to connect to a mysql database with php, the docs say I need to use the mysqli functions becuase of the version of mysql im connecting to, I installed php-mysql, but that didnt give me the functions I needed, is there a php-mysqli package for kubuntu?
[04:08] <drunkpikachu> can anyone tell me how to find out exactly what ver. of KDE is on my system?
[04:09] <rance> go to "system settings" and then choose "about kde" from the help menu
[04:09] <bimberi> rance: try searching on http://packages.ubuntu.com/  -  a contents search for "packages that contain files or directories whose names contain the keyword" is particularly useful
[04:09] <drunkpikachu> ah, thanks
[04:09] <rance> or look at the package database, the version of kde is part of the package name
[04:10] <Blippe> there is a about kde in every kde app (under help)
[04:11] <drunkpikachu> Also, how come every system window either has the admin button cut off at the bottom (resizing doesn't help) or it just gets rid of the menu when I do log in?
[04:11] <Snake__> Hey do I put my PC into standby??
[04:12] <Snake__> How do*
[04:13] <drunkpikachu> snake, isn't it pretty much the same thing as locking the station?
[04:13] <drunkpikachu> oh wait, I'm wrong
[04:14] <Snake__> drunkpikachu, I dunno
[04:14] <Snake__> drunkpikachu, nice name BTW
[04:14] <drunkpikachu> thanks
[04:15] <rance> bimberi: looks like there is no such package, but the php-db pear library does have mysqli support
[04:18] <ClayG> anyone here ever re-wire a ps2 keyboard to usb before?
[04:50] <GameOver> hey i was wsondering,.... i cant uninstall XMMS without uninstalling superkaramba.... anyway i can unistall XMMS by itself... this is using adept?
[05:18] <angasule> !fonts
[05:19] <ubotu> I heard fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[05:21] <angasule> !IPA
[05:21] <ubotu> angasule: I don't know
[05:22] <angasule> does anyone know an easy way to add IPA symbol support to konqueror? some font to install?
[05:28] <sebastianbis> can someone help me out?
[05:30] <sampan> !helpme
[05:30] <ubotu> If you don't actually ask a question, we can not actually help you.
[05:30] <sebastianbis> i need to burn a cd
[05:31] <sebastianbis> i downloaded kubuntu breezy
[05:31] <sebastianbis> i have an .iso file
[05:31] <sebastianbis> but ive never burned cds with kubuntu
[05:31] <sebastianbis> how do ido it?
[05:31] <sampan> are you in kubuntu now?
[05:31] <sebastianbis> yes
[05:31] <sampan> use k3b
[05:31] <sebastianbis> how should i burn the iso file though?
[05:32] <sebastianbis> just drag and drop onto a cd and thats it?
[05:32] <nalioth> sebastianbis: in the menu is a "Tools" > Burn CD Image
[05:32] <sampan> yep, what nalioth said
[05:33] <sampan> sorry, i was checking and my upgraded k3b gave me a setup error: "couldn't find cdrao" O_O
[05:33] <sebastianbis> whats the image to burn?
[05:34] <sampan> sebastianbis  you have to find it in your folders -- it'll be wherever you downloaded it to
[05:34] <sebastianbis> kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso ?
[05:34] <sampan> yes
[05:34] <sebastianbis> it starts loading something
[05:35] <sebastianbis> Md5 Sum:
[05:35] <sampan> yes, that's normal -- it's checking that the data is intact and not corrupted
[05:36] <sebastianbis> should i close konqueror and here before burning?
[05:36] <sebastianbis> it already reviewed it
[05:36] <sebastianbis> just finished
[05:36] <sampan> there's no need to close your other apps, k3b will burn fine with other things running :)
[05:37] <sebastianbis> ok now here's my next problem
[05:37] <sebastianbis> i accidentally erased windows xp trying to change the partition
[05:37] <sebastianbis> make it bigger
[05:37] <sebastianbis> I had kubuntu hoary
[05:37] <sebastianbis> and deleted it
[05:37] <sebastianbis> and then used that free space partition
[05:38] <sebastianbis> and copied it unto the partition where windows was in
[05:38] <sebastianbis> and this erased windows for some reason
[05:38] <sebastianbis> i had to reinstall kubuntu
[05:38] <sebastianbis> and i had no windows xp installation cd
[05:38] <sebastianbis> i got one
[05:38] <sebastianbis> now, ive never installed windows
[05:39] <sampan> sebastianbis  so you're trying to reinstall both windows and kubuntu?
[05:39] <sebastianbis> and i want to make a partition so that it's 7 gb windows 3 kubuntu
[05:39] <sebastianbis> yes
[05:39] <sebastianbis> the guy said i should always install windows first
[05:39] <sampan> yes
[05:39] <sebastianbis> so i am thinking about
[05:39] <sebastianbis> using the install cd
[05:39] <sebastianbis> and erase all of the drive
[05:40] <sebastianbis> and make two partitions
[05:40] <MrMazda> everyone always says that - except me, who installs doze whenever he pleases
[05:40] <sebastianbis> then put the cd in and isntall windows first
[05:40] <sebastianbis> so what should i do?
[05:41] <sampan> sebastianbis  you can do that just fine.  do windows first.  it will let you partition the drive into two pieces, put windows on the first one.  then install kubuntu on the second (unused) partition.
[05:41] <sebastianbis> ok so i can edit partitions with the windows cd?
[05:41] <sebastianbis> so i can first  use the kubuntu, completely erase the drive and make a partition with windows?
[05:42] <sebastianbis> the windows cd*
[05:42] <sampan> sebastianbis  yes, you can partition in the windows install.  there's no need to use kubuntu to erase anything really.
[05:42] <arrinmurr> sebastianbis: you can do anything you want and then do partitioning with the windows cd :)
[05:42] <sebastianbis> wait a second
[05:42] <sebastianbis> i ahve to erase kubuntu right?
[05:43] <arrinmurr> no
[05:43] <sampan> sebastianbis, i don't think so;  windows will erase it when it formats and installs.
[05:43] <sebastianbis> ok
[05:43] <sebastianbis> great
[05:43] <sebastianbis> how do i check if the data was fine with k3b?
[05:43] <sebastianbis> im still yet to burn the cd
[05:44] <sampan> if it says "ok" or a check mark on that md5sum line, then it's okay
[05:44] <sebastianbis> but i mean
[05:44] <sebastianbis> after you-ve burnt it
[05:44] <sebastianbis> how do you check
[05:45] <sampan> if it installs properly, then the data was okay!  :D  to make sure you don't get a bad burn, you can set the burn speed lower, that avoids any errors due to speed
[05:46] <sebastianbis> too late
[05:46] <sebastianbis> it keeps changing anyway
[05:46] <sebastianbis> it doesnt stay at one speed
[05:46] <sebastianbis> fluctuates between two and 12
[05:47] <sebastianbis> 12x
[05:47] <sebastianbis> haha theres a wee box wheni minimize that shows the progress
[05:47] <sebastianbis> "writing"
[05:48] <sampan> lol yeah -- and if your sound is working properly you'll hear this silly little bugle call at the end announcing that it's all done
[05:48] <sampan> but k3b rocks
[05:48] <sebastianbis> is there soulseek for kubuntu?
[05:48] <sampan> !info nicotine
[05:48] <ubotu> nicotine: (graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 1.0.8rc1-1.1 (breezy), Packaged size: 291 kB, Installed size: 1488 kB
[05:49] <sebastianbis> haha
[05:49] <sampan> seems like there's a soulseek client ^^
[05:49] <sebastianbis> since i am burning a breezy one
[05:49] <sebastianbis> i won-t have to upgrade right?
[05:49] <sampan> correct -- just have to install it from the repos
[05:50] <ventruecorp> espaol
[05:50] <sebastianbis> waht about codecs and stuff?
[05:50] <ventruecorp> hola
[05:50] <sebastianbis> hola
[05:50] <ventruecorp> buena compadre
[05:50] <sebastianbis> que necesitas?
[05:51] <ventruecorp> ?
[05:51] <ventruecorp> nada
[05:51] <ventruecorp> porq
[05:51] <sebastianbis> no se
[05:51] <ventruecorp> bkn
[05:51] <ventruecorp> de donde eres?
[05:51] <sebastianbis> k?
[05:51] <sebastianbis> de Costa Rica
[05:51] <sebastianbis> y tu?
[05:51] <ventruecorp> Chile
[05:51] <sebastianbis> que hora es alla?
[05:52] <ventruecorp> 01:52am
[05:52] <ventruecorp> estoy en vacaciones
[05:52] <sebastianbis> Bernardo O'Higgins
[05:52] <ventruecorp> y alla
[05:52] <sebastianbis> 10:22 pm
[05:52] <JavaGeek> hello
[05:52] <sebastianbis> eh...
[05:52] <sebastianbis> 52*
[05:52] <ventruecorp> en el trabajo
[05:52] <ventruecorp> ?
[05:53] <ventruecorp> trabajas estudias
[05:53] <ventruecorp> ?
[05:53] <sebastianbis> no, en casa, vagueando
[05:53] <ventruecorp> bueno
[05:53] <sebastianbis> deberia estudiar jaja
[05:53] <ventruecorp> yo creo
[05:53] <sebastianbis> tengo examenes finales en abril
[05:53] <ventruecorp> q estudias
[05:53] <ventruecorp> ?
[05:53] <sebastianbis> sampan: is there winamp for kubuntu?
[05:53] <sebastianbis> acabo el bachillerato
[05:54] <sebastianbis> tengo 19 a;os
[05:54] <sebastianbis> tu?
[05:54] <ventruecorp> el compadre quiere un winamp de kubuntu=
[05:54] <sampan> sebastianbis  there are some equivalent programs: xmms and beep-media-player
[05:54] <sebastianbis> si, me preguntaba si existe
[05:54] <ventruecorp> beep media te puede servir
[05:54] <sebastianbis> se ve como winamp?/does it look like winamp?
[05:55] <arrinmurr> it supports winamp skins
[05:55] <ventruecorp> tiene soporte y ocupa skin y plugins
[05:55] <ventruecorp> de xmms
[05:55] <sebastianbis> me enviaron un archivo m4a y no lo pude abric con amarok?someone sent me a w4a file andi couldn-t open it with amarok
[05:56] <ventruecorp> es complicado el amarok
[05:56] <JavaGeek> buenos nachos
[05:56] <ventruecorp> geek
[05:56] <sebastianbis> beep media es mas facil?
[05:57] <ventruecorp> para mi
[05:57] <ventruecorp> no
[05:57] <ventruecorp> prefiero el xmmd
[05:57] <ventruecorp> xmms
[05:57] <sebastianbis> sampan: beep media vs xmms ?
[05:57] <sebastianbis> I'll take your word for it
[05:57] <ventruecorp> creo q esta hecho en c/c++
[05:57] <ventruecorp> compilao
[05:58] <ventruecorp> es mas feo
[05:58] <sebastianbis> cual?
[05:58] <ventruecorp> es como para gnome
[05:58] <sampan> sebastianbis  they're almost identical except the beep uses gtk libs so its menus look a little more polished
[05:59] <sebastianbis> can one have both?
[05:59] <sampan> i have both -- and with the same skin on both -- so until i hit a menu button i can't even tell the different
[05:59] <sampan> difference*
[05:59] <sampan> yeah sure
[05:59] <sebastianbis> cual puede abrir mas archivos?
[05:59] <sebastianbis> which can open most files?
[05:59] <sebastianbis> formatwise
[06:00] <ventruecorp> no lo se
[06:00] <ventruecorp> wma
[06:00] <JavaGeek> amarok es la neta del planeta
[06:00] <sampan> i think they're the same ... they both play my mp3/ogg files -- but i don't have any wma or rm or anything so not sure
[06:01] <sebastianbis> you can get a codec for amarok to open teh wma right?
[06:01] <sampan> i think so -- but i've not ever tried it since i have no wma files
[06:01] <sebastianbis> Ok, I've got my Kubuntu and Windows CDs all set, so I will be back in a while.
[06:01] <JavaGeek> why would I want to play wma?
[06:01] <sebastianbis> ciao a tuti
[06:02] <sampan> good luck!
[06:02] <sebastianbis> a dopo
[06:02] <sampan> installing windows and kubuntu -- that could be a long "while"
[06:03] <Psi-Jack> Anyone know of any good decent dvd ripping programs?
[06:04] <arrinmurr> dvd::rip ?
[06:04] <Psi-Jack> That the only one you can recommend? :)
[06:05] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: well, i've never ripped a dvd myself ;)
[06:05] <MrMazda> dumb installer took 5 hours off my hardware clock, and my timezone is -0500 o_O
[06:08] <fangorious> does konqueror (3.5) have a scrolling mode like firefox and ie?
[06:09] <ftg2> dvd2svcd
[06:13] <Psi-Jack> Bleh. I don't want svcd....
[06:15] <Psi-Jack> My preference is to be able to rip just the main movie itself, transcode to xvid. If it has AC3 5.1, keep it, rip the subtitles, forced and unforced, and combine all the streams into an MKV.
[06:16] <Psi-Jack> And if there's only 2-channel audio, I'd rather convert that to Ogg Vorbis, so it's even smaller.
[06:20] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: dvdbackup works good for ripping entire dvds uncompressed and decoded
[06:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. That's a good start. But usually all I want is just the main video itself.
[06:21] <yellowdart> basically copies the folder structure to your hd so you can probably burn straight to a dvd-dl
[06:21] <Blippe> !mpc
[06:21] <ubotu> Blippe: Are you smoking crack?
[06:21] <Blippe> why yes ubotu, i am, how did you know?
[06:22] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: I don't burn them. I stream them from my media-server.
[06:22] <JavaGeek> Psi-Jack: if you find one that does all that, please share :)
[06:23] <Psi-Jack> JavaGeek: hehehe..
[06:24] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: i see...well, i'll keep an eye out for a good vob demuxer...why do you split it if you stream it btw
[06:26] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Size? All I watch is the movies. I don't generally care about the rest. I just pretty much do VOD and streaming over my home LAN.
[06:27] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: ok, misunderstood...thought that when you said "main video", i thought that you wanted to split the video/audio tracks :)
[06:28] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Oh no. Just the main movie. The only time I split audio tracks, is to transcode it to ogg if it's only 2-channel stuff. If it's 5.1 AC3, I keep the original AC3 stream. :)
[06:28] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: i believe that you can choose which .vob files you backup with dvdbackup...
[06:28] <Blippe> when i lock the session, i am completely locked out! My login-pass doesn't work, how do i change that?
[06:30] <Psi-Jack> Yes, it will let you rip a specific title, actually. :)
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> And lsdvd is a nice tool to read the titles. :D
[06:34] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: yeah, i guess these are the only utilities i know then...dont know of any gui's that make it easier
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> Well, gui's I don't care about. Heck, I could script it if need-be. :)
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> If there is a GUI, cool. If only CLI, whatever works. :)
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Hmm, dvdbackup can't "trim" out the undesired audio streams, can it? :)
[06:43] <yellowdart> not sure
[06:43] <yellowdart> i'll check it out
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> I'm looking at a title that has 4 audio channels. Only 1 of which is actually English. :)
[06:52] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Who's good at apt package management?
[06:53] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: depends what you mean by "good" :)
[06:56] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart:  I have conflicting packages, libfame from two different repos. :/
[06:57] <yellowdart> are they 2 different versions? or the same version in 2 places?
[06:59] <Blippe> !crack
[06:59] <ubotu> The primary cause of people asking me the wrong things.
[06:59] <Blippe> !porn
[06:59] <ubotu> I heard porn is no good
[06:59] <Blippe> !spam
[06:59] <ubotu> spam is, like, totally, no good, and not welcomed
[06:59] <Blippe> !puke
[06:59] <ubotu> Blippe: I give up, what is it?
[06:59] <Blippe> yay
[07:01] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: if it's the same package, then you may be able to disable one of the repositories, apt-get update, then apt-get install libfame
[07:01] <yellowdart> then re-enable the repository, apt-get update and finish what you need
[07:03] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: as long as your conflict isn't because 2 different versions are needed then you'll be fine
[07:04] <Psi-Jack> It's the same version,. but it's causing problems. dvdrip wants libfame, and libfame is already installed. Thus, problems accross the board.
[07:04] <Psi-Jack> I already have one libfame installed.. :)
[07:04] <yellowdart> i see...that does make it a bit more hairy then
[07:05] <Psi-Jack> Heh. I would like to specifically disable the conflicting one. If possible, or even locally "alias" it as it if were the other one.
[07:10] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: sorry, don't know what to do about that :-/
[07:13] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: i guess that you can run 'sudo apt-get check' to see if you have any existing broken dependencies
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Right now, I know that I do. heh
[07:14] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I have libfame0, which is installed, and libfame-0.9 which is being depended upon. heh
[07:15] <crimsun> no, remove the conflicting one.
[07:15] <crimsun> it should be libfame0.
[07:15] <crimsun> apt-get --purge remove libfame0
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> Eh?
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> I have libfame0 installed. It's libfame-0.9 that something is trying to depend on.
[07:16] <crimsun> right, and you should remove libfame0
[07:16] <Psi-Jack> Uhh, why?
[07:17] <crimsun> because it's an external package that's improperly named?
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> Ahh.. I see...
[07:17] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: i'm looking in my repositories (standard plus universe multiverse) and i don't see any libfame0 here
[07:18] <crimsun> that's because libfame-0.9 is in multiverse
[07:18] <yellowdart> definitely -0.9 is the right one
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:18] <Psi-Jack>   gstreamer0.8-fame: Depends: libfame0 but it is not going to be installed
[07:18] <Psi-Jack>   transcode: Depends: libfame-0.9 but it is not going to be installed
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> heh. Grr. :)
[07:19] <crimsun> dude, the resolution is simple
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> I tried --purge remove'ing libfame0, that's the lines I got from iut.
[07:19] <crimsun> if you absolutely can't live without gstreamer0.8-fame, then compile it against the proper libfame-dev in multiverse
[07:20] <crimsun> then remove gstreamer0.8-fame, too
[07:21] <Psi-Jack> And transcode, too.
[07:21] <Blippe> there is something completely wrong, nothing has crashed for a few hours!
[07:21] <crimsun> you can also apt-get -f install
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> There, that fixes that issue. At least. heh
[07:32] <ftg2> this package in backport has a couple missing dependencies that don't seem to be available anywhere.. what's the procedure to resolve them?
[07:44] <_gverig> Am I mute now?
[07:45] <_gverig> Anybody hears me?
[07:45] <crimsun> ? we read you loud and clear.
[07:45] <_gverig> crimsun: oh, thanks. [22:44]  [Channel]  You need to be identified to join that channel
[07:45] <ftg2> nvm. i resolved the 2 dependencies from dapper. just succesfully installed gaim-otr from backports. :)
[07:45] <_gverig> ohhh, nm
[07:45] <_gverig> I got nuked from that channel
[07:45] <Mez> we backported gaim-otr ?
[07:46] <ftg2> no. i had to hack at it a bit
[07:46] <Mez> ah then it's not from backports is it ?
[07:48] <ftg2> well i didn't do much. i got gaim-otr and libotr from breezy backport. unmet dependencies libgcrypt11 and libgpg-error0, were resolved from dapper.
[08:49] <tmircea> hi
[08:49] <tmircea> how do i update kubuntu to kde 3.5
[08:50] <stlewis> Packet Manager?
[08:51] <tmircea> i dont know why, but kubuntu is pretty slow compared to slackware/rhel/other distros 2.6 based running on my laptop
[08:51] <tmircea> kde is not fast enough
[08:51] <tmircea> im also using vesa, though
[08:51] <stlewis> You could just go with Ubuntu
[08:51] <stlewis> Use Gnome.
[08:51] <tmircea> i dont like gnome
[08:51] <stlewis> Heh.
[08:51] <stlewis> That's problematic.
[08:52] <Tm_T> no, gnome isn't that faster
[08:52] <stlewis> When you say "slow" though...
[08:52] <Tm_T> and yes, vesa driver is the key there ;)
[08:52] <stlewis> What are you referring to specifically?
[08:52] <tmircea> i dont like kde too much and linux at all, but well .. better than remaining with that windows crap that gives me 3 stop errrors per day
[08:52] <vega-> Tm_T: kubuntu.org
[08:52] <vega-> i mean tmircea
[08:52] <Tm_T> he
[08:53] <stlewis> Honestly, I'd be cool with Windows if it weren't for the expense.
[08:53] <vega-> tmircea: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[08:53] <tmircea> windows being stuck in runlevel 6..
[08:53] <stlewis> I was a PC user up until about...two weeks ago :-D
[08:53] <stlewis> Er...Windows.
[08:53] <stlewis> Not PC
[08:53] <Tm_T> heh
[08:54] <stlewis> See...that's Windows coporate philosophy for you...make Windows synonomous with PC's in general.
[08:54] <tmircea> stlewis: and what are you on now
[08:54] <Tm_T> stlewis: stop frightening me
[08:54] <stlewis> Boo?
[08:54] <Tm_T> =)
[08:55] <tmircea> youre a ghost?
[08:55] <Tm_T> I was talking windows - pc synonym thing
[08:55] <Tm_T> +about
[08:55] <tmircea> i know
[08:55] <tmircea> i love my mac
[08:55] <stlewis> Erg.
[08:55] <Tm_T> heh
[08:56] <stlewis> I'm afraid of Macs
[08:56] <Tm_T> I'm ok with my wind... pc
[08:56] <stlewis> Heh.
[08:56] <tmircea> hoho
[08:56] <tmircea> wind blows in the pc
[08:56] <tmircea> get some more
[08:56] <stlewis> And how many fans?
[08:57] <tmircea> kubuntu is pretty ugly with its default kde
[08:57] <stlewis> That was the first thing I changed actually.
[08:57] <Tm_T> not many, in this one 3, second one 2, and others are without fans including power
[08:57] <tmircea> and how do i enable root logins?
[08:57] <stlewis> You don't :-(
[08:57] <tmircea> lol
[08:57] <stlewis> You can use the sudo command from the command line.
[08:57] <stlewis> That's about it.
[08:57] <Tm_T> tmircea: sudo passwd
[08:58] <tmircea> yes but i need to get with root in kde
[08:58] <tmircea> root needs fancy gui
[08:58] <Tm_T> tmircea: no you dont
[08:58] <Tm_T> you can enable root account but please do NOT log in to KDE as root
[08:58] <tmircea> lol
[08:58] <tmircea> what happens if i do?
[08:58] <stlewis> You can break things.
[08:59] <Tm_T> there's no single good reason for that
[08:59] <Tm_T> and yes, too good chance to break things
[08:59] <tmircea> break things how? windows crashing when clicking on them etc?
[08:59] <tmircea> :)
[08:59] <stlewis> No...not quite that dramatic.
[08:59] <stlewis> This isn't Windows.
[08:59] <stlewis> But as a root user, you've got complete control over the file system with no cute little warnings when you do something stupid.
[08:59] <Tm_T> tmircea: whyyou should login to kde as root
[09:00] <Tm_T> I ask why
[09:00] <tmircea> stlewis: im not smart enough to do something stupid enough to break my linux
[09:00] <tmircea> really
[09:00] <tmircea> :)
[09:00] <stlewis> Heh.
[09:00] <Tm_T> tmircea: actually you can be stupid enough to break it before you even know you're breaking it
[09:00] <Tm_T> no offense
[09:00] <tmircea> because i dont need to enter the freakin password each time i need to use a rootonly kde app
[09:00] <tmircea> liek packagemanager
[09:01] <Tm_T> well don't keep opening and closing it
[09:01] <pussfeller> you ever accidentally delete your entire / partition? I did...
[09:01] <tmircea> Tm_T: no.. i have used kde/root for too many years now
[09:01] <stlewis> Yeah, that could suck.
[09:01] <tmircea> no
[09:01] <tmircea> i didnt
[09:01] <pussfeller> just cause I left out one little slash mark
[09:01] <tmircea> i did it intentionately
[09:01] <Tm_T> tmircea: and that's never been good idea
[09:01] <tmircea> cause i was bored
[09:01] <stlewis> If you're planning on installing packages...put it up once and leave it up :-d
[09:01] <tmircea> cat /dev/zero > /
[09:02] <Tm_T> tmircea: ok, login to kde as root if you like, but I'm not helping if you
[09:02] <pussfeller> how you change the default terminal in kdevelop
[09:02] <Tm_T> get trouble
[09:02] <pussfeller> with the ruby thingee, i dont want irb
[09:02] <stlewis> Oh...
[09:02] <stlewis> That's a question I have...
[09:02] <tmircea> i dont need root
[09:02] <stlewis> Speaking of Kdevelop
[09:02] <tmircea> im fine with user
[09:02] <Tm_T> good
[09:02] <stlewis> I can't get C++ source to compile to save my life.
[09:03] <tmircea> btw, i too need to get gcc for kubuntu
[09:03] <Tm_T> apt-get install gcc ;)
[09:03] <tmircea> ok
[09:03] <Tm_T> too tricky?
[09:03] <tmircea> it does all dependencies and stuff?
[09:03] <pussfeller> theres a more comprehensive package you need
[09:03] <Tm_T> well, all gcc dependencies
[09:03] <pussfeller> kde-devel or something like that
[09:03] <Tm_T> pussfeller: true, but he asked only gcc
[09:04] <Tm_T> and kde-devel might be too much for most of us
[09:04] <pussfeller> if you ever wanna compile kde stuff
[09:04] <Tm_T> I'd say: apt-get build-dep <app>
[09:04] <Tm_T> pussfeller: too much
[09:04] <tmircea> what konsole color schema do you use ? :) im on linux-colors now
[09:04] <stlewis> Green on black.
[09:04] <pussfeller> i always use green on black
[09:04] <Tm_T> pussfeller: I compile KDE apps tens of time every time and there's packaeges I never use
[09:05] <tmircea> stlewis: thats what kevin mitnick used
[09:05] <stlewis> It reminds me of the old Tandy personal computers :-D
[09:05] <tmircea> green on black is hacker like
[09:05] <tmircea> or matrix
[09:05] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_099.png
[09:05] <pussfeller> neo uses green on black
[09:05] <Tm_T> my desktop (there's Konsole too)
[09:05] <tmircea> but not linux :)
[09:06] <stlewis> Ah...
[09:06] <Tm_T> that reminds me, should do some artwork
[09:06] <stlewis> You've got that transparency stuff going.
[09:06] <stlewis> That was too distracting for me.
[09:06] <Tm_T> heh
[09:06] <stlewis> I pulled a background off of visual paradox for mine...
[09:06] <stlewis> Such a great site.
[09:07] <tmircea> pretty nice desktop.. id say
[09:07] <Tm_T> in most of time, I do my own backgrounds
[09:07] <stlewis> I'm not that artistic :-D
[09:07] <tmircea> in blender/
[09:07] <tmircea> ?
[09:07] <Tm_T> blender?
[09:08] <tmircea> the 3d graphics design app
[09:08] <tmircea> for unix/linux and windows
[09:08] <Tm_T> have to try if inkscape now works in dapper again :p
[09:08] <Tm_T> tmircea: never used, never needed
[09:09] <Tm_T> woooo, no crash <3
[09:09] <Tm_T> time to do some artwork for dapperdapperdapperdapper
[09:10] <stlewis> Is Blender any good?
[09:10] <stlewis> Like, compared to something like 3ds?
[09:10] <stlewis> I almost installed it today :-D
[09:10] <tmircea> its weaker
[09:10] <tmircea> than 3ds
[09:10] <tmircea> but its the best for linux
[09:11] <stlewis> Again, I'm not that artistic.
[09:11] <stlewis> Its more like a hobby.
[09:11] <stlewis> I don't really need a powerhouse or anything.
[09:11] <tmircea> Tm_T: what artwork? youre making me curious :)
[09:11] <tmircea> themes? backgrounds? icons
[09:11] <Tm_T> tmircea: backgrounds now
[09:11] <Tm_T> should make couple icons for kopete though
[09:11] <tmircea> and they will be used in kubuntu?
[09:11] <tmircea> or only you use them
[09:12] <Tm_T> dunno yet ;)
[09:12] <Tm_T> might be used in ubuntu/kubuntu/edubuntu
[09:14] <tmircea> i think gvim is nice for programming
[09:14] <tmircea> im geting it
[09:15] <Tm_T> Kate!
[09:15] <cyne> hi y'all
[09:16] <cyne> can anyone tell me or point me to getting java working in Konqueror
[09:17] <tmircea> how do i update kubuntu to a more recent linux kernel version for ubuntu *binary ?
[09:18] <tmircea> apt-get install ..?
[09:19] <stlewis> Run the update.
[09:19] <stlewis> You could use the apt-get I guess...
[09:19] <stlewis> But honestly the update is probably safer.
[09:19] <pussfeller> !java
[09:19] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[09:20] <stlewis> That was a question I had too, actually.
[09:20] <pussfeller> i need a more recent kernel
[09:20] <pussfeller> im too lazy to compile one
[09:21] <tmircea> apt-get update?
[09:21] <tmircea> i want to upgrade to dapper flight 2
[09:21] <tmircea> or the latest kubuntu
[09:21] <tictric> morning folks.
[09:23] <tictric> I got already used to not having cdrom or dvd drives showing up in media:/ and thought that would get fixed some time but now I bought myself a usb stick and oh wonder that one behaves like it should
[09:23] <tictric> creating a shortcut on Desktop and in media:/ I mean
[09:24] <tictric> So I wonder if there's some simple solution to them drives not showing up you could tell me
[09:25] <pussfeller> thats a good question
[09:25] <tmircea> how can i get the System icon on the desktop
[09:25] <tmircea> to show the kubuntu pc
[09:25] <tictric> I need a good answer :-)
[09:25] <pussfeller> it seems that for most people, it jst works, but for a few, it don't
[09:26] <pussfeller> i would ask on the list if no one here knows
[09:26] <pussfeller> i got a bit of a prob with my custome udev rule for my ipod causing a burp with kde's handler
[09:45] <blahbnlah> can someone tell me how to enter the refresh rates for my lcd monitor inside of my xorg.conf file?
[09:46] <blahbnlah> i am having trouble chaning my screen resoclutio past 640X480 ion kubuntu, can someone tell me why?
[09:54] <blahbnlah> can someone help me? i am having trouble changing my screen resolution in kubuntu
[10:07] <tid-wave> hello! xorg doesn't work after installing dapper flight 2. i see strange stuff on the screen.. (columns with an interesting pattern) the resolution is fine.
[10:07] <tid-wave> i have geforce 6600 GT
[10:08] <MrMazda> blahbnlah: put your xorg.conf file on pastebin so we can see what's in it
[10:09] <tictric> tid-wave: If you save your current xorg.conf away and have it setup by dpkg-reconfigure again to see if it works then?
[10:33] <_stone> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[10:33] <_stone> wicht package I need?
[10:40] <orugo> hey
[10:40] <orugo> i have 5.04
[10:40] <orugo> can i upgrade my kde to 3.5??
[10:40] <orugo> (without big problems)
[10:41] <bimberi> !kde3.5
[10:41] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:41] <orugo> yes but
[10:41] <orugo> i think i cant
[10:41] <orugo> i need more repos
[10:42] <orugo> theres for 5.10
[10:42] <orugo> and i have 5.04
[10:42] <bimberi> ah
[10:42] <orugo> maybe i have to upgrade to breezy first
[10:42] <orugo> but i dont want
[10:42] <orugo> haha
[10:43] <bimberi> sorry, not sure what there is for hoary
[10:44] <bimberi> tug of war:     hoary-------------orugo---------------kde3.5
[10:44] <orugo> hahaahhahahahahah
[10:44] <bimberi> :P
[10:44] <orugo> well
[10:44] <orugo> i will upgrade my dear 5.04 kubuntu
[10:44] <orugo> :(
[10:45] <Tm_T> :)
[10:45] <Tm_T> dapper <3
[10:45] <djib> hello
[10:45] <djib> How can I choose where KDE automaticaly mounts the external drives ?
[10:47] <bimberi> tug of war:      hoary                 -/\/\/\/\/-orugo-\/\/\/\/\/-kde3.5
[10:48] <orugo> hahahahahha
[10:48] <orugo> now im using synpatic
[10:48] <orugo> 'll upgrade ALL
[10:48] <orugo> aahahah
[10:48] <orugo> i will come with windows xp or something i think
[10:48] <orugo> ahha
[10:49] <bimberi> hehe
[10:49] <ninnghizidha> Hello! I got Sound in Flash with Firefox, but not with Konqueror using the Firefox-Flash-Plugin. How can i get this to work?
[10:49] <orugo> well now im downloading about 550 mb from internet
[10:52] <djib> ninnghizidha: in the konqueror preferences, in plugins you can ask to use artsdsp
[10:52] <djib> could be what you're after
[10:52] <ninnghizidha> oh! i'll habe a look.. sounds good!
[10:53] <ninnghizidha> ah! found it!
[10:53] <djib> ^^
[10:53] <ninnghizidha> i'll try it now! :-)
[10:53] <djib> does anyone know how to control automounting in kde ?
[10:54] <ninnghizidha> works! this channels is that great! ah ... superb - thanks a lot!
[10:56] <_root> please help.. how do i update only the kde in breezy badger to kde 3.5 from dapper flight 2
[10:56] <_root> apt-get?
[10:56] <_root> i tried apt-get install kde35
[10:56] <Tm_T> _root: you can't just upgrade kde from breezy to dapper
[10:56] <_root> doesnt work
[10:57] <_root> tmircea here
[10:57] <_root> im in kde as root
[10:57] <Tm_T> I see
[10:57] <Tm_T> and that's sucky
[10:57] <_root> i want kde 3.5
[10:57] <Tm_T> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[10:57] <Tm_T> use breezy packages, dude
[10:57] <viviersf> kde 3.5 is the best
[10:57] <viviersf> but i cant wait for kde 4
[10:57] <djib> ninnghizidha: you're welcome
[10:58] <_root> Tm_T: but there it doesnt say how to upgrade
[10:58] <_root> only about the key
[10:58] <_root> and that deb thing
[10:58] <Tm_T> _root: add that line to sources.list and use apt powers
[10:58] <_root> ok
[10:58] <_root> where is sources.list
[10:58] <_root> in etc?
[10:58] <Tm_T>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:59] <Tm_T> _root: do you have autoget dcc on?
[10:59] <_root> in irc?
[10:59] <Tm_T> yes
[10:59] <_root> i dont know
[10:59] <_root> why
[10:59] <Tm_T> I might like to prove why it's not good idea to irc as root
[11:00] <_root> hm ?
[11:00] <Tm_T> nvm, I'm not in that mood
[11:00] <_root> you cant prove it
[11:00] <_root> its good to irc as root
[11:00] <_root> hahaha
[11:02] <Tm_T> I...feel...like...
[11:02] <_root> ?
[11:02] <_root> uh oh
[11:03] <_root> dont
[11:03] <Tm_T> dont what?
[11:03] <Tm_T> actually, I'm in that mood...
[11:03] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:04] <_root> kick me.. thats what I thought youre going to do... im only root in kde while i install updates/packages
[11:04] <_root> cause i cant while in user mode
[11:04] <_root> kdesu doesnt work
[11:04] <Tm_T> you can use konsole
[11:04] <Tm_T> like I do ;)
[11:04] <_root> yes and $su
[11:04] <Tm_T> and no I wasn't kicking you
[11:04] <_root> and adept
[11:04] <_root> #adept
[11:04] <Tm_T> aye
[11:04] <_root> but that doesnt work
[11:04] <_root> either
[11:04] <Tm_T> no it won't
[11:04] <Tm_T> but use apt-get
[11:05] <_root> yes but i install updates now with Adept Updater
[11:05] <_root> its easier for me
[11:05] <Tm_T> heh
[11:05] <_root> im not so experienced with apt
[11:05] <_root> used it a few times
[11:05] <Tm_T> it's hard to say "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" ?
[11:05] <_root> thanks
[11:05] <Tm_T> or without sudo if you use su
[11:05] <_root> i will use this
[11:05] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:05] <Tm_T> damn easy
[11:06] <Tm_T> and np
[11:06] <_root> yes i know
[11:06] <_root> apt-get upgrade upgrades the entire distro to dapper flight and kde 3.5 if i got the source changed in source.list
[11:06] <_root> ?
[11:06] <Tm_T> yes, but you don't have to
[11:07] <Tm_T> you can use breezy kde3.5 packages just fine
[11:07] <_root> apt-get install kde35 ?
[11:07] <_root> or what is the name of the package
[11:08] <Tm_T> nope, if you added that one single line and added gpg key of jriddell then just do what I said and that'll do it
[11:08] <_root> ok
[11:08] <_root> but i dont want the gpg key
[11:08] <Tm_T> you do
[11:08] <_root> why?
[11:08] <Tm_T> that will make sure that packages you get is signed by jriddell
[11:09] <_root> i might get trojans ?
[11:09] <Tm_T> nope
[11:09] <Tm_T> but no reason to not have that key
[11:09] <Tm_T> (less warnings etc)
[11:09] <_root> hmm.. ok.. wait.. pls
[11:09] <_root> i have the default sources.list
[11:09] <_root> now, first thing is to
[11:10] <_root> i made apt-get update
[11:10] <_root> now apt-get upgrade
[11:10] <_root> ?
[11:10] <Tm_T> yes
[11:10] <_root> and it will add kde 3.5?
[11:10] <Tm_T> well, what happens?
[11:10] <_root> wait
[11:11] <_root> i got an Oops
[11:11] <_root> !!
[11:11] <ubotu> ??
[11:11] <Tm_T> err?
[11:11] <_root> Oops
[11:11] <_root> whats that
[11:11] <_root> fuck
[11:11] <_root> my windows is freezing
[11:11] <_root> window
[11:11] <Tm_T> o  k
[11:11] <_root> n  o
[11:11] <_root> o
[11:11] <Tm_T> did I said something about root and logging in?
[11:11] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:12] <_root> y ee  s
[11:12] <_root> s
[11:12] <Tm_T> whoa
[11:13] <Tm_T> anyway, I have to go now, good luck with it ->
[11:13] <_root> o o ok
[11:13] <_root> when u back
[11:13] <_root> i cant get rid of this ooops
[11:35] <djib> I have a question regarding automounting
[11:35] <djib> how do I tell kde not to mount automatically /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3
[11:35] <djib> it really pisses me off
[11:35] <djib> and I can't find anything about this
[11:35] <trym> lol
[11:35] <djib> ^^
[11:36] <djib> no but seriously I hate when things happen and I don't know how to control it !
[11:41] <djib> and apparently no one know how to do it ^^
[11:41] <motorcitymadman> have you tryed advanced options ?
[11:42] <djib> what do you mean ?
[11:45] <weedar> After updating with adept my 2.6.12.9 image is updated to 2.6.12.10 (I can choose which to use in Grub), but this breaks ndiswrapper. Any suggestions?
[11:50] <_root> if apt-get upgrade to upgrade my kde to 3.5 is what i do I must exit kde 3.4 and upgrade from failsafe x ?
[11:50] <Tm_T> no
[11:50] <_root> i can run it from kde then
[11:50] <_root> ?
[11:51] <Tm_T> just upgrade, log out, restart X, login
[11:51] <_root> ok
[11:51] <_root> i thought you were gne
[11:51] <_root> gone
[11:51] <_root> already
[11:51] <djib> motorcitymadman: what do you mean advanced options
[11:54] <_root> damn.. my internet bill has comed
[11:54] <djib> I hate everything that starts with bill
[12:01] <motorcitymadman> djib: was just a suggestion / i always look for settings, advanced options or someway to configure so as run to my liking but i'm getting old now, slower for me is more better
[12:02] <Tm_T> _root: I was
[12:02] <Tm_T> _root: I come and go all the time
[12:02] <ninnghizidha> kde has THAT much Options, i can't belive!!!
[12:02] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: and you haven't seen half
[12:03] <ninnghizidha> i dont think so ... i'm inside those settings since 3 weeks.
[12:03] <ninnghizidha> but i guess i have seen at least 60% :-P
[12:03] <Tm_T> nah
[12:03] <Tm_T> http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/foo_001.png
[12:03] <Tm_T> mild adjustments done
[12:04] <ninnghizidha> poser.. :-D
[12:04] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: I've been using and tweaking KDE now... 2years and I don't even know what to do next, too much possibilities
[12:04] <ninnghizidha> i especially like the style of kopete...
[12:04] <weedar> Tm_T, how do you get that text on your bckground?
[12:05] <motorcitymadman> adjustment / now thats the word for life it's self always making adjustments
[12:05] <Tm_T> weedar: bottom? or upper right corner?
[12:05] <weedar> Tm_T, both :)
[12:05] <ninnghizidha> well ... looking forward to my 2-years-anversery! :-)
[12:05] <Tm_T> weedar: upper right: torsmo using several scripts etc... bottom one: Eterm running kopete
[12:06] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: thanks, it will be shipped with Kopete 0.12 atleast, my precious one ;)
[12:07] <weedar> Tm_T, I thought the bottom one displayed the output all programs running in KDE sent to the console
[12:07] <Tm_T> weedar: no, only Kopete, debugging all the time
[12:08] <Tm_T> weedar: so you can have pleasant IM time with it someday ;)
[12:08] <dipnlik> Tm_T: nice shot, i liked your kopete too
[12:08] <Tm_T> dipnlik: ...wait a minute
[12:08] <weedar> Tm_T, Kopete is great, haven't installed it yet this time though but I remember it from last time I installed kubuntu
[12:08] <dipnlik> Tm_T: but think it can become a little hard to manage if you have lots of contacts online
[12:09] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: I'll take that back, forgot what screenshot that was :p (have over 100 of them)
[12:09] <Tm_T> dipnlik: actually, that's just playing around with one plugin, wait aminute...
[12:10] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: wait you too, you'll see some kopete kandy
[12:10] <dipnlik> Tm_T: no need to search for the plugin, i don't even use kopete here
[12:10] <Tm_T> heh
[12:10] <dipnlik> Tm_T: P3 550, 128RAM i got to take it easy, i use bitlbee :)
[12:11] <Tm_T> bitlbee is nice, irssi <3
[12:12] <dipnlik> screen + irssi + bitlbee :)
[12:12] <Tm_T> aye
[12:12] <dipnlik> :-O
[12:13] <Tm_T> phew, I need tumbnails to my screenshots
[12:14] <dipnlik> Tm_T: turn them on on konqueror, it's that simple :P
[12:15] <Tm_T> http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_085.png
[12:15] <Tm_T> dipnlik: doesn't work with websites
[12:15] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: look that one
[12:16] <Tm_T> or this http://kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/foo/foo_084.png
[12:17] <_root> Tm_T: Linus doesnt live in Finland?
[12:17] <_root> anymore?
[12:17] <Tm_T> dunno
[12:17] <_root> i think he lives in california
[12:17] <Tm_T> aye, atleast there he's job is
[12:17] <_root> osdl
[12:18] <ninnghizidha> thats mine ... http://linux.ninnghizidha.com/storage/images/snapshot_kubuntu1.jpg
[12:18] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: nice, clean
[12:18] <Tm_T> though too space consuming to me ;)
[12:19] <Tm_T> aye, time to clean konqi tabs, maybe over 50 iss too much
[12:19] <ninnghizidha> ...to clean, cause i m just doing breakfast :-D ... i liked the first one better :-)
[12:19] <Tm_T> ninnghizidha: :)
[12:19] <Sebastian> I need help
[12:19] <Tm_T> ok
[12:19] <Sebastian> I'm trying to install kubuntu
[12:19] <Sebastian> in a computer that has windows xp already
[12:20] <Sebastian> it ahs these partitions
[12:20] <Sebastian> 7 gb
[12:20] <Sebastian> in which windows is
[12:20] <Sebastian> and 3 gb
[12:20] <Sebastian> on which i want to put kubuntu
[12:20] <ninnghizidha> too few.
[12:20] <Sebastian> i have accidentally erased windows twice trying to isntall kubuntu
[12:20] <Sebastian> so i need help here
[12:20] <ninnghizidha> 3gb isnt enough for a kubuntu-installation.
[12:20] <Sebastian> yes it is
[12:20] <Sebastian> I asked Riddell
[12:21] <Tm_T> it is
[12:21] <Sebastian> I know riddell too
[12:21] <ninnghizidha> ok! overruled!
[12:21] <ninnghizidha> :-)
[12:21] <ninnghizidha> well .. where is the problem with the partitions?
[12:21] <ninnghizidha> how is your partition-setup?
[12:21] <Sebastian> problem is that i dont know what to do
[12:21] <Sebastian> i took a picture hold on
[12:22] <Sebastian> speaking of pictures
[12:22] <Sebastian> here you can see me with the riddell
[12:22] <Sebastian> http://photos.wgyf.org/Swarthmoorhall/100_2363
[12:22] <Sebastian> let me see what it said
[12:23] <Sebastian> ok
[12:23] <Sebastian> so i am trying to install
[12:23] <Sebastian> and theres three main options
[12:23] <Sebastian> one is to completely erase/format the drive
[12:23] <Tm_T> ok, I'll go somewhere else to be confusing and fussy and and... ->
[12:23] <Sebastian> which is not an option
[12:24] <ninnghizidha> i dont think so ^^
[12:24] <ninnghizidha> (too)
[12:24] <Sebastian> then there's an option
[12:24] <ninnghizidha> (bla)
[12:24] <Sebastian> to use edit partitions
[12:24] <Sebastian> which takes me to a screen that shows me
[12:24] <Sebastian> free space
[12:24] <Sebastian> and the partition in which windows is on
[12:24] <ninnghizidha> i guess, thats the right option for you.
[12:24] <Sebastian> and then there's @use teh largest amount of free space;
[12:25] <Sebastian> which i felt dubious about for some reson
[12:25] <Sebastian> i didnt knwo wether this would erase windos
[12:25] <Sebastian> or use the free space
[12:25] <Sebastian> for a moment i did think the edit partition was the right for me
[12:25] <ninnghizidha> i guess it will use free space, but i dont think you got free space ...
[12:25] <Sebastian> but it doesnt lead to any using that free space
[12:25] <ninnghizidha> so .. you have windows installed at the first partition?
[12:25] <Sebastian> the options are to partition that free space which i dont want to
[12:26] <ninnghizidha> this partition is called hda1)
[12:26] <Sebastian> yes
[12:26] <Sebastian> er...no, it says something like ntsf
[12:26] <ninnghizidha> the second partition is called hda2 (oder hda5)
[12:26] <Sebastian> and something like c root
[12:26] <ninnghizidha> ntfs ist the filesystem of windows.
[12:26] <Sebastian> yes
[12:27] <Sebastian> it said primary something
[12:27] <ninnghizidha> if you can cose, i'd take the second option (edit manually) and use hda2
[12:27] <ninnghizidha> pirmary partitions are hda1-4.
[12:27] <Sebastian> there was nol hda2 though
[12:27] <ninnghizidha> extended partitions are hd5-XX
[12:27] <Sebastian> ok
[12:27] <Sebastian> so i partition the free space
[12:27] <ninnghizidha> but you saw hda1?
[12:28] <ninnghizidha> are the 3 gigs free space? or is there a filesystem on it?
[12:28] <Sebastian> on a line it says
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> if the 3gigs are free sapce, use the "free space"-option ... if you used it already and its empty now, use "manually edit" and use hda2 for kubuntu.
[12:29] <Sebastian> IDE1 master (hda) - 10.3 gb
[12:29] <Sebastian> and underneath it appears
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> Thats windows.
[12:29] <Sebastian> #1 primary
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> (oh .. thats the entire disk)
[12:29] <Sebastian> 6.9 gb
[12:29] <Sebastian> ntsf
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> thats hda1
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> ntfs = windows file system
[12:29] <ninnghizidha> dont touch :-P
[12:29] <Sebastian> and then underneath it says
[12:30] <Sebastian> pri/log 3.3 gb
[12:30] <ninnghizidha> where do you read that?
[12:30] <ninnghizidha> are you at the installation of kubuntu already?
[12:30] <Sebastian> FREE SPACE (where would otherwise read a description of the filing system)
[12:30] <Sebastian> no, i took a picture
[12:31] <ninnghizidha> oh .. never heard pri/log before ...
[12:31] <ninnghizidha> may i see that picture? use 666kb.com to upload it.
[12:31] <ninnghizidha> but i guess this is free space.
[12:31] <ninnghizidha> otherwise it would have called it (hda2) or something like that
[12:31] <Sebastian> ok hold on
[12:32] <Psi-Jack> Okay. Anyone know of any good DVD ripping tools? I'm trying to basically take a DVD, and rip it into XVid for video, and for AC3 with 5.1 channel audio, keep it, but for just 2-channel audio, eventually just transcode to Ogg Vorbis. Any ideas anyone?
[12:33] <HymnToLife> Psi-Jack > I've been esperately searching for one and found nothing
[12:33] <HymnToLife> so I just use winblows for this
[12:33] <Psi-Jack> I see. Well, so far, my toolset is lsdvd, dvdbackup, and transcode. But I haven't figured out transcode, just yet.
[12:36] <Sebastian> picture is too big
[12:36] <Sebastian> hold on there was another one
[12:36] <Sebastian> giga share i think
[12:37] <ninnghizidha> the ifo, where you took the picture would be enough .. its from the installation?
[12:37] <Sebastian> yes
[12:38] <ninnghizidha> let me lookat a manual what pri/log means.
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmm? heh
[12:38] <Psi-Jack> Oh. heh. n/m
[12:39] <Fusionfox> do kubuntu comes with a torrent manager as ubuntu?
[12:40] <Psi-Jack> Fusionfox: Eh?
[12:40] <ninnghizidha> pri/log seems to be a free, unsued space
[12:40] <ninnghizidha> i guess you can use the "use free spacE"-option too.
[12:40] <asraniel> Fusionfox: you are probably searching ktorrent
[12:41] <Sebastian> ok
[12:41] <Sebastian> brb
[12:41] <ninnghizidha> good luck
[12:44] <ninnghizidha> ah .. i'd like to have openoffice use the native qt-styles :-/
[12:48] <Fusionfox> eh well ubuntu got gnometorrent installed, so i wanna know if kiubuntu got some torrent or that ktorrent installed.
[12:51] <freelove> Fusionfox: it doesnt i think.....u can easily install ktorrent
[12:51] <tmircea> OMG!!
[12:52] <tmircea> I LOVE KDE 3.5
[12:52] <ninnghizidha> why'?
[12:52] <tmircea> its clean cool fonts and nice look
[12:52] <tmircea> and fast
[12:52] <tmircea> just installed it
[12:52] <tmircea> but where is superkaramba??
[12:52] <Snake__> tmircea, install it
[12:53] <tmircea> isnt it installed with kde 3.5? it says its integrate
[12:53] <tmircea> d
[12:53] <Snake__> tmircea, if its installed, looks under Kmenu ---> Utilites ---> Desktop
[12:53] <Snake__> Hmmmm
[12:53] <tmircea> its not
[12:53] <Snake__> Its integraded, but Its not installed
[12:54] <Snake__> I dont think anyway] 
[12:54] <Snake__> It looks wayyy better in 3.5 than 3.4, ill tell you that
[12:54] <freelove> tmircea: ubuntu guys are making kubuntu gnomish!
[12:54] <tmircea> the window decoration, buttons and fonts all look awesome.. great improvements since 3.4
[12:54] <Snake__> Wtf?
[12:55] <tmircea> but is there a apt-get install superkaramba?
[12:55] <tmircea> to integrate in KMenju
[12:55] <Snake__> Ummm
[12:55] <tmircea> or i must compile..
[12:55] <Snake__> Hold on
[12:55] <tmircea> ok
[12:56] <Snake__> tmircea, sudo apt-get install superkaramba :)
[12:56] <tmircea> cool
[12:56] <tmircea> lets se
[12:56] <tmircea> btw i love linux/kde so much
[12:56] <tmircea> and kubuntu now
[12:56] <tmircea> i cant wait for kde 4
[12:56] <tmircea> and kernel 2.8
[12:57] <Snake__> kubuntu = best distro IMHO
[12:57] <tmircea> :)
[12:57] <tmircea> well, its the best so far for me.. and i have used tones i mean tons of other distros
[12:57] <tmircea> slack,rhel,mandrake
[12:57] <tmircea> all suck
[12:57] <Snake__> Gentoo's not to bad
[12:58] <tmircea> i know
[12:58] <tmircea> the kde 3.5 control panel/system setting is now stolen from apple/macos x :)
[12:58] <tmircea> hehe
[12:58] <tmircea> but its waaay better
[12:59] <Snake__> Hmm
[12:59] <Snake__> tmircea, I'm off to bed
[01:00] <Snake__> good luck
[01:01] <xgarcia> hi. all !
[01:03] <xgarcia> Yesterday I install the Kubuntu dapper flight2 and have a little problem, network don't start at boot, I need to issue a dhclient command to up the network. What can I do to automate this situation ?
[01:05] <weedar> Why doesn't azureus show up when I do an apt-cache search? the ubuntu starter guide seems to imply it is in one of the normal repositories (universe,multiverse or backports)
[01:06] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> weedar, you can go to the site and download it, it's pre complied, you just run a script
[01:06] <weedar> Thank you Snake|Sick|Sleep , I thought so. Just wondering why the starter guide doesn't say that :)
[01:06] <penguinzdr> wow... Snake|Sick|Sleep talks while sleeping...
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:07] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> penguinzdr, yes
[01:07] <weedar> and sick
[01:07] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> relly sucks :(
[01:07] <weedar> What's bothering you snake, the flu?
[01:07] <penguinzdr> yeah i know... before one week i have been sick
[01:08] <penguinzdr> weedar: hope not bird flu
[01:08] <weedar> Doubt it, it's still only found in Turkey I think
[01:09] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> weedar, strep
[01:09] <penguinzdr> weedar: do you know where i live? in bulgaria... this country is on the west border of Turkey
[01:09] <weedar> penguinzdr, in that case I'd close that window if I were you
[01:09] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> rofl
[01:10] <weedar> sorry to hear that snake, strep isn't fun, or so I hear
[01:10] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> anywho back to sleep
[01:10] <Snake|Sick|Sleep> ttyl
[01:10] <weedar> hope you get well soon
[01:11] <penguinzdr> weedar: i have already closed the Windows... using Linux
[01:11] <weedar> penguinzdr, good ;)
[01:12] <weedar> After I installed Kubuntu my computer won't boot windows correctly. It's like it assumed I wouldn't use it anymore
[01:12] <ninnghizidha> how is the package with the "pinguins/lemmings on the desktop" called?
[01:13] <weedar> do you mean the game  ninnghizidha ?
[01:13] <penguinzdr> oh what was the name
[01:13] <Hobbsee> ninnghizidha: pingus
[01:13] <ninnghizidha> no .. its like xesktop-waves
[01:13] <penguinzdr> pingus>
[01:13] <Hobbsee> is the name of the game, anyway
[01:13] <ninnghizidha> i found that already.
[01:14] <penguinzdr> http://www.infos-du-net.com/actualite/6011-Google-Quaero.html
[01:14] <ninnghizidha> i guess it was something like xpinguines ... but i cant remember and find it anymore.
[01:18] <joel86> when i start my computer it says it fails on mounting local filesystem,, is that bad ?? =P
[01:19] <penguinzdr> joel86: i thonk so
[01:19] <cyne> joel86: yes
[01:19] <joel86> crap,,
[01:20] <Hobbsee> joel86: does it still boot properly?
[01:20] <joel86> yepp it does
[01:21] <tmircea> i live in romania
[01:21] <tmircea> penguinzdr
[01:21] <tmircea> hey there
[01:21] <Hobbsee> type "sudo mount -a" in a terminal, and paste the output?
[01:21] <Hobbsee> joel86: type "sudo mount -a" in a terminal, and paste the output?
[01:22] <tmircea> linux makes me fat..
[01:22] <Hobbsee> !paste
[01:22] <ubotu> I heard paste is please use http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ or #flood to paste large amounts of text
[01:22] <joel86> wrong fs type ?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> paste the entire thing into the pastebin?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> and your /etc/fstab
[01:24] <joel86> joel86@h222n2fls307o1114:~$ sudo mount -a
[01:24] <joel86> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda6,
[01:24] <joel86>        missing codepage or other error
[01:24] <joel86>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:24] <joel86>        dmesg | tail  or so
[01:25] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:25] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[01:25] <joel86> sry
[01:26] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:27] <Hobbsee> paste your /etc/fstab into the pastebin, and give us the link?
[01:29] <tmircea> how can i play mp3 under kubuntu
[01:30] <joel86> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7076
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !tell tmircea about mp3
[01:32] <Hobbsee> joel86: and post your /etc/fstab to pastebin?
[01:32] <eneka> holas
[01:32] <Hobbsee> joel86: ie, kwrite /etc/fstab, copy the text, stick it in the pastebin
[01:33] <joel86> just /etc/fstab ??
[01:33] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:35] <joel86> done i think =P
[01:35] <weedar> Are the w32codecs not available anymore? The links in RestrictedFormats don't work
[01:36] <Hobbsee> joel86: and the link?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> !+w32codecs
[01:36] <ubotu> it has been said that w32codecs is a compilation of binary win32 A/V codecs for many popular proprietary formats not currently supported by free implementations under linux. See http://tinyurl.com/e4a5s to install
[01:36] <joel86> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7077
[01:36] <ninnghizidha> you can find a working package at the wiki of ubuntuusers.de
[01:36] <Hobbsee> second link on there should work
[01:36] <ninnghizidha> it has no dependencies.
[01:36] <ninnghizidha> oh. ok.
[01:37] <weedar> Thanks, I'll take a look
[01:37] <Hobbsee> joel86: kwrite /etc/fstab
[01:37] <Hobbsee> then paste it
[01:38] <joel86> i did,, but it just says acces denide
[01:38] <DjDarkman> hy ,how can i change my default browser?
[01:39] <Hobbsee> joel86: try "kdesu kwrite /etc/fstab" without the quotes
[01:41] <joel86> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/707  i dont know but was that better ? =P
[01:42] <joel86> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7078
[01:42] <weedar> Weird, after downloading 10.9MB of the w32codecs the download just hangs
[01:42] <joel86> sry,, forgot the 8 =P
[01:42] <Hobbsee> firstly, why are you logged in as root?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> and secondly, if you have no gui, use sudo nano /etc/fstab
[01:43] <joel86> i dont know ?? should i dont be ?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> you should not be logged in as root
[01:43] <Hobbsee> !+root
[01:43] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[01:45] <joel86> i have onley one user and that i defult..
[01:46] <Hobbsee> and how did you login to your computer today?  with joel86
[01:46] <Hobbsee> ?
[01:46] <joel86> yes
[01:47] <Hobbsee> right, ok
[01:47] <weedar> Now I've tried downloading the w32codecs with wget and it also stalls after a while. Can someone else confirm that there is something wrong?
[01:48] <Hobbsee> weedar: direct link to the codecs?
[01:48] <weedar> ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[01:49] <Hobbsee> testing...
[01:51] <Hobbsee> weedar: works here
[01:51] <weedar> Hobbsee, thanks for testing it!
[01:51] <Hobbsee> weedar: no problems
[01:51] <weedar> But now I'm really anxious to find out why wget and firefox can't download it correctly for me
[01:52] <Hobbsee> weedar: did you use wget, or wget -c?
[01:52] <weedar> wget, not wget -c
[01:53] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:55] <weedar> And retrying just stops after it has found the place where it left off Hobbsee
[01:55] <Hobbsee> weird!
[01:55] <weedar> I think I will try with an ftp-client before I give up, for the moment :)
[02:11] <ninnghizidha> how can i update to OpenOffice 2.0?
[02:14] <ninnghizidha> how can i upgrade to OpenOffice 2?
[02:14] <ninnghizidha> ... i got the relase that came with breezy .. 1.9.3434343
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !oo2
[02:16] <ubotu> Hobbsee: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[02:16] <Hobbsee> !ooo2
[02:16] <ubotu> Test packages for OpenOffice.org 2 are available - http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-October/012520.html
[02:16] <Hobbsee> ninnghizidha: ^
[02:16] <DjDarkman> hy ,i need something to mount cd images ,can u recomend me something?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> DjDarkman: man mount
[02:17] <ninnghizidha> Perfect!
[02:17] <DjDarkman> Hobbsee: i need something that mounts all types of images
[02:18] <DjDarkman> can i mount cue mdfs and nrgs with mount?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> dont remember
[02:18] <Hobbsee> check man mount
[02:19] <DjDarkman> i don`t see there that i can mount that sort of stuff ,i know i can mount isos with it ,but that`s not enough
[02:21] <_rosco> hi
[02:21] <ninnghizidha> OO2: perfect - thanks a lot!
[02:22] <ninnghizidha> :-)
[02:22] <_rosco> I've just installed kubuntu and would like to keep it as clean as possible. The first package I should install should be debianorph or something like this one ?
[02:22] <_rosco> deborphan, sorry
[02:22] <ninnghizidha> if you just installed it, it should be clean, except you install deborphan.
[02:23] <ninnghizidha> ^^
[02:23] <DjDarkman> someone please recomend me a program with wich i can mount all types of cd images
[02:27] <_rosco> the problem for me is that at the first lauch of deborphan, he asks me if I should keep this or this package. But I don't know the all of course and I have no clue if I should keep it. That's why I ttouht that running deborphan after the install could be a good idea.
[02:33] <ninnghizidha> i guess it is not a good idea
[02:34] <ninnghizidha> its a clean install, man :-O
[02:34] <ninnghizidha> :-)
[02:34] <DjDarkman> someone please recomend me a program with wich i can mount all types of cd images
[02:34] <ninnghizidha> loop-device
[02:34] <ninnghizidha> just look at the forums to get a comand for it
[02:35] <DjDarkman> will that mount all types of images?
[02:35] <ninnghizidha> cd-images are just ISO - yes
[02:43] <DjDarkman> how can i mount an usb mp3 player?
[02:43] <DjDarkman> never mind already found solution
[02:52] <mistik1> I'd like to upgrade my knoppix to kubuntu, how can I make this posible?
[02:52] <mistik1> Is there a site that can generate a sources.list for me
[02:54] <Blippe> !source-o-matic
[02:54] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[02:55] <Blippe> mistik1, see ubotus answer
[02:55] <roscocoltran> hi again
[02:55] <mistik1> thanks
[02:56] <roscocoltran> my fresh kubuntu hanged 10 minutes before, except for the mouse. Is it normal ?
[02:56] <Blippe> not really
[02:57] <Blippe> if your mouse didn't hang you could have tried "ctrl-alt" or "alt-f2 konsole top" and checked which process hanged
[03:04] <stonedragon> hi
[03:47] <tygryss> hi
[03:47] <tygryss> I have a problem with Nvidia driver install... on kubuntu 5.10
[03:47] <tygryss> Nvidia installation done
[03:47] <tygryss> but X didn't run
[03:49] <tygryss> ohh
[03:49] <tygryss> I handled it
[03:49] <tygryss> my backuped xorg.conf was in my home, I remove it , and it start
[03:49] <tygryss> :)
[03:50] <Hanning> ok, I have a net connection that works in windows, Fedora, but not in kubuntu.  The only "difference" is that the kubuntu kernel has 8139cp as well as 8139too, is this likely to be the reason the connection doesn't work?
[03:50] <tygryss> but I didn't see nvidia logo
[03:51] <tygryss> ohh
[03:51] <tygryss> another problem
[03:52] <tygryss> NVIDIA: could not open the device file /dev/nvidia0 (Input/output error).
[03:52] <tygryss> why ?
[03:52] <tygryss> any ida ?
[03:53] <tygryss> nvidia Installer didn't creat it
[03:53] <roscocoltran> I have back quality playing mp3 with kaffeine and gstreamer. I'm using multiverse packages. Is it known to have poor quality ?
[03:53] <puckman> I have not said this for a while.....
[03:53] <puckman> But I feel I have to say this again...
[03:53] <roscocoltran> "bad quality" typo...
[03:54] <_ice> damn trouble with vmware I need gcc version 3.4.5 and I have installed 4.0 how do I install an older version
[03:55] <tictric> _ice: like you do with any other package
[03:56] <_ice> so I have to remove the new one and put in the old one then
[03:56] <tictric> and then you'll need to set the environment variable to tell the compiler to use it
[03:56] <tictric> no the live side by side
[03:56] <_ice> how to
[03:56] <tictric> s/the/they/
[03:56] <yesori> ?
[03:57] <_ice> wait so I can have both version run side by side ?
[03:57] <_ice> but every time I try to install the old version says it has the newsest one
[03:57] <tictric> yes, but if you don't tell it so it will use the newest version
[03:57] <tictric> yes
[03:58] <tictric> you need to set the environment accordingly
[03:58] <_ice> I'm confused so how do I do this
[03:58] <_ice> would it be easier just to do this in my chroot
[03:58] <Fator_Dee> 'ullo all o/
[03:59] <tictric> _ice: man bash tells you how to set environment variables and when vmware complains that the comiler has the wrong version it actually tells you what to do
[04:00] <_ice> k
[04:00] <tictric> and it's in the README somewhere too
[04:00] <tictric> I just don't remember the details
[04:08] <Hanning> Anyone know about any issues with kubuntu and Realtek RTL-8139 network cards/
[04:08] <Hanning> ?
[04:17] <e_machinist> How is everyone?
[04:20] <e_machinist> What resolution does everyone run KDE at?
[04:20] <e_machinist> Your monitor...
[04:20] <Tm_T> 1400x1050
[04:20] <asraniel> what do you want to know? the max resolution of my monitor or the resolution on wich KDE is running now? 1600x1050
[04:21] <Tm_T> it's not much but got this 17" crt for free
[04:22] <e_machinist> Wow... I'm only doing 1280xwhatever. haha. Only got a refresh rate of 60hz at this level.
[04:22] <e_machinist> Radeon 9200 (straight)
[04:22] <Tm_T> e_machinist: 60Hz is well enough
[04:23] <Tm_T> ;)
[04:23] <e_machinist> Tm_T: ... meh, kinda flickery by my standards.
[04:24] <Hanning> no-one knows anythign about 8139too or 8139cp?
[04:24] <Tm_T> e_machinist: I have lazy eyes, so I don't notice a thing ;-P
[04:25] <Tm_T> as lazy as me
[04:25] <e_machinist> Tm_T: haha.
[04:25] <imy> Hanning: what's the problem?
[04:25] <e_machinist> KDE gets a little squished at 1024x768 is the problem.
[04:25] <Hanning> imy: simply put I have no net connection in kubuntu
[04:26] <imy> Hanning: when you type 'ifconfig eth0'    do you see your network card there
[04:26] <e_machinist> And 1024x768 is the default for must LCD monitors I have used... so this CRT is best going for me.
[04:26] <e_machinist> heh.
[04:26] <Tm_T> aye
[04:26] <imy> e_machinist: if you can afford it, a big nice CRT is extremely cheap
[04:27] <imy> compared to everything else in a computer
[04:27] <Hanning> imy: yup, but I'm not getting a connection through it
[04:27] <imy> Hanning: if you do ifconfig, do you see it?
[04:27] <e_machinist> imy: yah, I was thinking about checking out a nice large CRT... save money and all.
[04:27] <nlindblad> hi
[04:27] <Hanning> last night after about 4 hours I've managed to get the problem down to having kernel modules 8139too AND 8139cp in kubuntu
[04:28] <Hanning> the other linux distro I have only has 8139too & net connection works ok on that
[04:28] <imy> e_machinist: I still prefer CRT.  They look nicer I think
[04:29] <e_machinist> imy: I know a few "gamers" that swear by CRTs. bar none.
[04:29] <imy> e_machinist: dunno about gaming.  I just like the contrast ratio I think
[04:29] <imy> e_machinist: it just feels more .... solid
[04:29] <Hanning> CRTs are ok if you've got the space for them
[04:29] <Hanning> I don't so TFT just has to do me
[04:30] <imy> Hanning: I don't know what level of expertise you are at.  If I can rule out user error :)  then my next suggestion would be to boot with acpi disabled
[04:30] <e_machinist> Right now I've got a 17inch studio monitor... thinking about getting a 19inch or higher... might be nice.
[04:30] <imy> Hanning: and to boot with a different kernel
[04:30] <imy> Hanning: I've had cards that didn't work with certain kernels
[04:30] <Hanning> imy: I'm still to much of a newbie to do complicated stuff like that
[04:31] <imy> Hanning: not at all. it's dead simple. :)
[04:31] <Hanning> the kernel is actually the same in both distros
[04:31] <imy> Hanning: you have grub?
[04:31] <Hanning> yes I have GRUB
[04:31] <e_machinist> It even has the Ubuntu patches? haha.
[04:32] <imy> Hanning: okay when you boot, select the one you normally selet, then press 'e'  to edit it.  There will be several lines, one will start with "kernel .."   select that line, and edit that
[04:32] <imy> Hanning: and add 'acpi=off'     to it.
[04:32] <Hanning> imy: righto
[04:33] <imy> Hanning: to install another kernel, do "apt-cache search linux-kernel"    and install one of the others (you'll need the kernel image, the headers and the initrd  package
[04:33] <imy> )
[04:34] <Hanning> imy: the only problem is likely to be that kernels before breezy don't seem to recognise my USB mouse
[04:35] <e_machinist> Hanning: they don't? My USB mice all worked way back in warty even.
[04:35] <Hanning> e_machinist: I think it was more likely to do with my USB ports rather than the mouse
[04:36] <Hanning> my box seems to have either a) really weird architecture or b) not like to play fair
[04:37] <e_machinist> Hanning: Ahh, I see.
[04:41] <imy> Hanning: if you look through the kernel source sometime you'll realise how crap hardware is
[04:41] <imy> Hanning: there's tons of fixes there to get round bugs in different hardware
[04:42] <imy> Hanning: especially hard drives and motherboards - each one implements the spec 'mostly'
[04:44] <Hanning> the thing that I can't get over is that it works fine with the same kernel verison on another distro, but not in kubuntu
[04:56] <e_machinist> Does KDE come with a text editor similar to gedit?
[04:57] <nlindblad> kate
[04:57] <e_machinist> yah... I tried running kate... won't seem to go.
[04:58] <nlindblad> won't start?
[04:58] <e_machinist> I click it and it just keeps bouncing and won't start up.
[04:58] <nlindblad> run it in a terminal
[04:58] <nlindblad> and see what it says
[04:58] <e_machinist> kate: ERROR: Communication problem with kate, it probably crashed.
[04:58] <nlindblad> yeah
[04:59] <e_machinist> Should I reinstall the package?
[04:59] <nlindblad> shouldn't be necessary
[04:59] <nlindblad> if it just crashed
[04:59] <e_machinist> oh... what should I do?
[05:00] <nlindblad> restart KDE
[05:00] <e_machinist> will do.
[05:00] <e_machinist> brb.
[05:06] <weedar> Kbear sigsev'd 1 minute after I started using it, can anyone reccommend a more stable KDE ftp-client? :)
[05:07] <nlindblad> Konqueror
[05:07] <nlindblad> :D
[05:08] <weedar> I might actually try that. Trying to get the w32codecs and both firefox and wget stall after reaching a certain point
[05:09] <Xemanth^> weedar: gftp
[05:09] <weedar> btw, I remember trying Kbear several months ago and it sigsev'd then too. Has it ever been stable?
[05:09] <weedar> nlindblad, konqueror didn't do it either
[05:10] <nlindblad> weedar: what are you trying to do?
[05:10] <nlindblad> e_machinist: hi there
[05:11] <e_machinist> nlindblad: everytime I try running kate using sudo (to edit specific files) kate crashes.
[05:11] <e_machinist> nlindblad: and hello, heh.
[05:11] <nlindblad> as a normal user then?
[05:12] <e_machinist> As a normal user I don't have write access to xorg.conf
[05:12] <weedar> nlindblad, as I said I'm trying to download the w32codecs yet the download stalls when using firefox and wget. And now also with Konqueror
[05:12] <e_machinist> But kate does launch as my normal user.
[05:12] <nlindblad> weedar: from where?
[05:13] <nlindblad> weedar: might not be the client
[05:13] <weedar> nlindblad, ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[05:13] <nlindblad> e_machinist: sudo nano -w /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:13] <weedar> nlindblad, another user here (sorry, his name evades me) tried downloading and it worked for him
[05:13] <e_machinist> nlindblad: haha, in other words give up on kate.
[05:13] <nlindblad> weedar: okey, you haven't had any problems with your connection before either?
[05:13] <nlindblad> e_machinist: yeah
[05:14] <nlindblad> e_machinist: someone else might have a solution for you but I don't
[05:14] <e_machinist> Maybe I'll check the wiki.
[05:14] <weedar> nlindblad, well I do have one issue with wpa_supplicant but I've been running it in the foreground and I see no error when downloading the w32codecs
[05:15] <nlindblad> weedar: try http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/pool/main/w/w32codecs/w32codecs_20050412-0.0_i386.deb
[05:16] <tmircea> when i do # find / -name _something_ after a few lines it errors with a hard link error saying that my filesystem driver must be buggy
[05:16] <nlindblad> -iname
[05:16] <nlindblad> or maybe -name is correct too
[05:17] <e_machinist> nlindblad: sudo does work in the KDE environment though correct? (Just like in gnome based ubuntu)?
[05:17] <weedar> nlindblad, eureka! Thank you, finally I got that file :)
[05:18] <jariep1_> hello all
[05:18] <nlindblad> e_machinist: it should
[05:18] <nlindblad> weedar: :D
[05:18] <nlindblad> jariep1_: hello
[05:18] <_xavier> anyone with a spanish keyboard layout has accented characters working in KDE ?
[05:18] <nlindblad> e_machinist: not sure if it works for GUI-apps the same way it does in GNOME though
[05:18] <jariep1_> i remember that in synaptic and apt after adding a new repository, I need to update the list, how do i do this in kubuntu?
[05:19] <seashell11> jariep1_ sudo apt-get update
[05:19] <e_machinist> nlindblad: pretending that sudo doesn't work... how would you go about doing it under KDE?
[05:19] <jariep1_> ok
[05:19] <nlindblad> e_machinist: do you really need to have a GUI for editing configuration files?
[05:20] <e_machinist> nope, but it is just as easy to type nano as it is kate, as it is gedit, etc... and all do tha same thing basically. So why not.
[05:20] <jariep1_> seashell11, thank you
[05:21] <seashell11> e_machinist you could try kedit
[05:21] <nlindblad> e_machinist: nano is probably the most user-friendly editor for the console
[05:21] <nlindblad> IMO
[05:21] <nlindblad> seashell11: both kate and kedit seem to complain when sudoing
[05:22] <e_machinist> yah...
[05:22] <nlindblad> wrong permissions on a kde-cache file
[05:22] <seashell11> oh, shoot
[05:23] <seashell11> because kate always messes up for me, but kedit works right
[05:23] <e_machinist> hmm... how to fix that kde-cache file... heh.
[05:23] <nlindblad> e_machinist: install kedit and try then
[05:23] <e_machinist> will do.
[05:23] <e_machinist> kate is a punk anyway
[05:23] <e_machinist> heh.
[05:25] <Riddell> ** test flight 3 candidate CDs!  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20060113.1/  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20060113/
[05:26] <seashell11> hey thanks Riddell i'll have to try this out on my spare computer that I use to mess around with new/other OS's
[05:27] <Riddell> that's /candidate/ CDs, so I need feedback on whether they work or not
[05:28] <seashell11> Riddell: OK
[05:28] <e_machinist> I ran kedit using sudo, (it launched) but complained of /temp/kde-myuser is owned by uid 1000 instead of 0, link points to /tmp/kde-root
[05:28] <e_machinist> What the heck does htat mean?
[05:28] <e_machinist> that*
[05:30] <seashell11> kedit always does that for me to, but it always works right even with the error, I don't no what it means though e_machinist
[05:31] <seashell11> Riddell: the cd's are downloading
[05:31] <e_machinist> seashell11: yah, kedit worked fine... just a strange error...
[05:31] <Riddell> e_machinist: sudo can do funny things to KDE programs, use kdesu
[05:31] <seashell11> yea thats what I though, I havn't been able to figure it out though
[05:31] <e_machinist> Riddell: I will try that.
[05:32] <e_machinist> Riddell: thanks, that is much better. I will start to use kdesu instead of sudo from now on.
[05:33] <seashell11> hey thanks Riddell that worked for me
[05:36] <e_machinist> Converting from a gnome based system over to a kde based system is kind of... troublesome. So much gnome crap everywhere and no way to safely dispose of it.
[05:36] <e_machinist> heh.
[05:36] <seashell11> hey e_machinist maybe kate would work for you to doing it that way? it sure does for me!
[05:36] <e_machinist> seashell11: yep, kate works using kdesu.
[05:37] <e_machinist> kdesu fixes most everything sudo was ruining. hah.
[05:37] <seashell11> e_machinist, yea I know I just switched over to kde a couple of weeks ago and already like it much better thatn gnome
[05:38] <seashell11> but all the other programs are kinda a pain
[05:38] <e_machinist> seashell11: yah, to bad I can't get rid of some of this gnome crap floating around for no reason now. Feels... wasteful.
[05:38] <e_machinist> haha.
[05:38] <_xavier> anyone with a spanish keyboard layout has accented characters working in KDE Dapper ? mine refuse to do it...
[05:38] <seashell11> oh well, I got a 200 GB hard drive so its not that big of a deal
[05:39] <e_machinist> seashell11: yah... just my principles of neatness getting in the way again. heh.
[05:39] <seashell11> lol yea, I guess you could edit the menu and take all the gnome stuff out e_machinist
[05:40] <e_machinist> seashell11: haha, don't think I haven't already done that.
[05:40] <jariep1_> what package do i need to run a mail server?
[05:41] <kavit> how do I view document history in Konqueror ?
[05:41] <kavit> as in the pages I have visited
[05:41] <tictric> jariep1_: you are probably already running a mailserver :)
[05:42] <tictric> jariep1_: if you got some linux distro installed, that is
[05:42] <jariep1_> kubuntu breezy badger
[05:42] <tictric> then you got postfix installed as your mta
[05:42] <jariep1_> ok
[05:42] <jariep1_> thanks
[05:43] <e_machinist> seashell11: mostly the gnome stuff is annoying because it is always on my upgrade lists and stuff... and since I don't use the darn stuff... well... you know.
[05:43] <tictric> that's where root gets system mails from
[05:43] <tictric> for example
[05:43] <seashell11> yea, I wish they had some easy way to unistall all the gnome stuff
[05:44] <tictric> seashell11: I figured out that it is much faster to just save the homedir to somewhere convenient and do a clean new kubuntu install
[05:44] <e_machinist> Yes, I agree... guess I should just install from a kubuntu cd in the first place.
[05:44] <tictric> takes only half an hour
[05:45] <e_machinist> tictric: don't have a kubuntu cd right now though, and my burner just got fried 2 days ago...
[05:45] <e_machinist> My wife said I can buy a new one... but I don't trust her. haha.
[05:46] <tictric> e_machinist: fried burner ey? :
[05:46] <tictric> :)
[05:46] <e_machinist> tictric: definitely... burned a copy of PCBSD for a friend... and blame... all of a sudden the darn drive can't read stuff right or do anything moer than half a butt cheecks worth.
[05:48] <seashell11> lol I guess thats y you stay away from that bsd stuff, stick with *ubuntu e_machinist
[05:48] <seashell11> :-D
[05:49] <e_machinist> seashell11: heck yah.. I don't do anymore favors for BSD peeps.
[05:49] <e_machinist> I should submit the fact that PCBSD burned my burner as a bug to them. See them figure that one out.
[05:49] <e_machinist> heh.
[05:49] <tictric> I lately got one of them LG drives that burns about everything that can rotate in it. Pizza, even.
[05:50] <tictric> can recommend it
[05:50] <e_machinist> I'll check those out.
[05:50] <seashell11> lol hmm, must be an interesting pizza lol
[05:51] <tictric> LG G
[05:51] <tmircea> OSDisc.com selling/shipping Kubuntu 5.10 cds worldwide ?
[05:51] <tictric> LG GSA-4166B
[05:52] <tictric> s/pizza/light scribe/
[05:53] <tmircea> what is a badger?
[05:53] <tictric> animal
[05:53] <tmircea> and a breezy one?
[05:54] <Snake__> tmircea, How about this: Warty Warthog
[05:54] <Snake__> :-P
[05:54] <tmircea> lol
[05:54] <e_machinist> Warty warthog actually makes more sense than breezy badger...
[05:54] <tmircea> its suposed to be some kind of war dog?
[05:54] <seashell11> Badger \Badg"er\, n. [OE. bageard, prob. fr. badge + -ard, in
[05:54] <seashell11>    reference to the white mark on its forehead. See Badge,n.] 
[05:54] <seashell11>    1. A carnivorous quadruped of the genus Meles or of an
[05:54] <seashell11>       allied genus. It is a burrowing animal, with short, thick
[05:54] <seashell11>       legs, and long claws on the fore feet. One species (Meles
[05:54] <seashell11>       meles or Meles vulgaris), called also brock, inhabits
[05:54] <seashell11>       the north of Europe and Asia; another species (Taxidea
[05:54] <seashell11>       taxus or Taxidea Americana or Taxidea Labradorica)
[05:54] <seashell11>       inhabits the northern parts of North America. See
[05:54] <seashell11>       Teledu.
[05:55] <tictric> tmircea: http://static.flickr.com/32/53550538_ba15862625.jpg
[05:55] <e_machinist> I feel like I'm about two minutes away from expiring from starvation...
[05:55] <Snake__> can anyone explain hoary hedgehog?
[05:55] <bhna> seashell11: -> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[05:55] <tmircea> lool
[05:55] <tmircea> nice pic
[05:55] <tmircea> brizzi
[05:55] <tmircea> cute badger
[05:55] <seashell11> srry
[05:56] <Snake__> Lol thats funny
[05:57] <tmircea> he swings his tail? thats a sign hes brizzi?
[05:57] <tmircea> breezy
[05:57] <tmircea> whatever
[05:59] <starhawk> hi
[06:00] <Snake__> anyone herd of kphone?
[06:00] <seashell11> Snake_ no what's that?
[06:01] <e_machinist> Seems to be here.www.wirlab.net/kphone/
[06:01] <Snake__> seashell11, It's a VoIP Program...but I want to know if it can call land lines
[06:01] <starhawk> I am tring to once again get my mplayer to work I think I dont have all the right plugins any help here
[06:01] <Snake__> and if so, if it costs money
[06:02] <starhawk> the totam is working but not all of my videos
[06:03] <`Nomad> Hi all. :)  Do we know when Thunderbird will be upgraded to 1.5 for us?
[06:03] <e_machinist> totem-xine or totem-gstreamer?
[06:03] <`Nomad> us Kubuntuians :)
[06:03] <encaputxat> hi
[06:03] <starhawk> gstreamer
[06:03] <e_machinist> ewww... I much prefer totem-xine overall.
[06:03] <`Nomad> same with me
[06:03] <e_machinist> Plays dvds better.
[06:04] <encaputxat> please, can any help me...? (its very easy)
[06:04] <`Nomad> encap: what's the prob?
[06:04] <`Nomad> just ask
[06:04] <starhawk> I am tring to run cds with video on them
[06:04] <encaputxat> my friend has download the live cd and he dont know thw pass
[06:04] <e_machinist> VCD? Or Cds with video files on them?
[06:05] <starhawk> how do I change to totam xine
[06:05] <e_machinist> Just apt-get install totem-xine...
[06:05] <starhawk> cd with video files on them
[06:05] <e_machinist> kdesu or sudo of course.
[06:05] <starhawk> I am running kubunta
[06:06] <e_machinist> starhawk: what kind of files... mpg, avi etc?
[06:06] <starhawk> it has adept
[06:06] <e_machinist> Are you just having a format problem?
[06:06] <starhawk> I belive so
[06:06] <starhawk> I use what ever format is on the web
[06:07] <e_machinist> starhawk: apt is what adept runs...adept is the GUI frontend if you will.
[06:07] <seashell11> just out of curiosity, has anyone here ever tried automatix?
[06:07] <e_machinist> starhawk: have you installed w32codecs?
[06:08] <starhawk> I know that but I am new and I tried that automatix and had to reinstall ubunta
[06:08] <e_machinist> starhawk: just go here and see if it has the info you need. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats?highlight=%28restrictedformats%29
[06:08] <starhawk> no I have not got the 32 codecs
[06:09] <e_machinist> Go to that link.
[06:09] <starhawk> okay
[06:09] <e_machinist> You know, if you think about it. Installing reg ubuntu, and then kubuntu-desktop... really gives you the best options.
[06:10] <e_machinist> Reminds me of the mandrake days when you could install gnome, kde, xfce, fvwm, and 37 others all at one time...
[06:10] <e_machinist> heh.
[06:11] <seashell11> yea, I like being able to give other people help so on this one computer, I have ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, and am working at getting fluxbox to lol
[06:11] <e_machinist> seashell11: what does xubuntu install?
[06:12] <seashell11> e_machinist: xfce4 dexktop
[06:12] <e_machinist> ahh, I see. How you like XFCE?
[06:12] <e_machinist> I like it personally.
[06:12] <seashell11> I have installed it on some of my friends old comuters for them, sure made them run faster
[06:12] <e_machinist> It looks nice as well.
[06:13] <encaputxat> nomad ???
[06:13] <seashell11> but personally, I'll stick with kde
[06:13] <e_machinist> seashell11: have you found that kde uses less memory than gnome?
[06:13] <e_machinist> kde uses almost 200mb of physical memory less after booted up for me than gnome.. I have no idea why.
[06:14] <_matthias> Hi, does anybody know how my internet work in the console and not in gnome??
[06:14] <e_machinist> _matthias: what do you mean?
[06:14] <seashell11> I havn't paid that much attention, because I had this thing made to run right with windows and I never caome anywhere close using that much memory in linux e_machinist
[06:15] <_matthias> I mean, if I ping a server, i get an answer. If I want to connect with gaim, it does not work.
[06:16] <_matthias> But ICR works! Its crazy..
[06:16] <_matthias> Opps.. IRC
[06:16] <seashell11> but now that you say that, I am only using 281 mb right now, and I got how many programs running, with gnome I know it was always more thatn that without any programs running e_machinist
[06:18] <e_machinist> seashell11: did you free -m?
[06:19] <seashell11> I got gdesklets running with a desklet for memory, but free -m tells me the same thing e_machinist
[06:20] <seashell11> _matthias did you try kopete?
[06:20] <seashell11> I mean kopete instead of gaim?
[06:22] <`Nomad> oops.. got sidetracked.. :)
[06:23] <`Nomad> encap:  There is no root password in Kubuntu.   look at this !sudo
[06:23] <`Nomad> !sudo
[06:23] <ubotu> By default, the root password is locked in Ubuntu. Look at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for all information.
[06:24] <Tm_T> Kopete <3
[06:24] <Tm_T> Irssi <3
[06:24] <e_machinist> uhh... where does the kde ripper rip the cds to by default?
[06:24] <Tm_T> ok, that's enough ;)
[06:24] <Tm_T> e_machinist: check settings, you define it
[06:25] <Tm_T> and what's kde ripper
[06:25] <Tm_T> you mean konqueror or kaudiocreator?
[06:25] <e_machinist> sorry, kaudiocreator... such a long name to type.
[06:25] <e_machinist> bothersome.
[06:25] <Tm_T> I use konqueror :)
[06:25] <jjesse> when you configure kaudiocreator it should ask where you want those placed
[06:25] <e_machinist> jjesse: yah... you would think that it would, but it don't.
[06:26] <jjesse> e_machinist: for me it is /home/jjesse/ogg because i'm encoding them in ogg format
[06:26] <e_machinist> jjesse: I'm trying to find the place to specify where to rip too...
[06:27] <jjesse> hmm i think it put in ~/ogg by default i don't remember creating a folder
[06:29] <e_machinist> jjesse: yah, cause it doesn't ask you to specify a place, haha.
[06:34] <seashell11> * get's very bored *
[06:48] <e_machinist> kdemultimedia is not installed by default in kubuntu... that is weird.
[06:49] <seashell11> e_machinist how did you install kubuntu? apt-get install kubuntu-desktop or apt-get install kde?
[06:50] <e_machinist> apt-get kubuntu-desktop
[06:51] <seashell11> i did it apt-get install kde and it installed kdemultimedia
[06:51] <e_machinist> Well I will have kdemultimedia in its entirety shortly, heh.
[07:00] <e_machinist> What does a long gold tassle rope thing stand for when you graduate?
[07:05] <jjesse> if i need an application to run under root can i create a link (shortcut) to the app by using kdesu ?
[07:05] <jjesse> for example, kdesu qeumu dapper.img
[07:07] <indo> jjesse: you can start the app from the terminal with sudo, i know you can do it from a shortcut but not sure how
[07:07] <jjesse> indo: thanks i know that, just wanted one less window opened :)
[07:08] <sampan> jjesse  yes, that will work just fine
[07:09] <jjesse> sampan: so the command portion of it will look like kdesu qemu dapper.img
[07:09] <sampan> yeah, the kdesu is for running gui apps as root -- does the same thing as sudo
[07:09] <rudi> Hi suche hilfe bei der Einrichtung eines ATI Driver
[07:09] <robotgeek> !de
[07:09] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[07:10] <e_machinist> How do you stop adept when it is downloading something?
[07:11] <tmircea> how can i get the ati driver running on my X under brizi badger.. im using vesa
[07:11] <tmircea> and i want the gui to be faster :)
[07:11] <tmircea> the 'radeon' or 'ati' driver in xorg.conf doesnt work
[07:12] <robotgeek> !ati
[07:12] <ubotu> from memory, ati is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[07:15] <e_machinist> Do you prefer adept or kynaptic?
[07:16] <slicslak> synaptic, but even that isn't as good as the cli
[07:19] <mrmistik1> I find synaptic confusing as hell
[07:21] <e_machinist> synaptic is about as straightforward as it gets... adept is confusing by synaptic standards.
[07:23] <starhawk> How do I get to the restricted ubuntu
[07:24] <starhawk> repositorys
[07:25] <starhawk> hi
[07:28] <sampan> starhawk  :)  how about pasting your /etc/apt/sources.list to the pastebin (see topic) and i'll take a look at it
[07:35] <seashell11> starhawk here is my sources.list file http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=653728#post653728 it is the post by seashell11
[07:36] <hca> need help on installing jdk1.3, anyone know what url to put in the sources list to get the package ?
[07:36] <sampan> !java
[07:36] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[07:36] <blahbnlah> can comsone help me? i cannot change the resolution of my screen in kubuntu
[07:36] <sampan> !javadebs
[07:36] <ubotu> Java can be found in multiverse. Sun (i386) debs here: http://mirror2.ubuntulinux.nl IBM (PPC) debs here: http://giannaros.org/buntu/breezy.  UNOFFICIAL debs of more recent JRE's can be found in Seveas's repositories.  See wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:36] <blahbnlah> my monitor supports 1290x1200 but kde is only allowing 640x480
[07:38] <blahbnlah> is there a program to reconfigure xorg in kubuntu?
[07:38] <sampan> blahbnlah  yeh, iirc it's dpkg -reconfigure xorg.conf  ... but i've never done it so that might not be exactly it
[07:38] <seashell11> sudo dpkg-reconvigure xserver-xorg
[07:38] <sampan> ahhhhh seashell11 has it :)
[07:39] <sampan> s/v/f
[07:39] <seashell11> I mean sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[07:39] <sampan> :)
[07:39] <seashell11> typo's are always a pain lol
[07:40] <sampan> lol -- well at least yours was a real typo ... "xorg.conf" can't be considered a typo of "xserver-xorg" ;/
[07:41] <seashell11> lol oh well, we all forget or get mixed up :-P
[07:42] <sampan> :D
[07:42] <starhawk> how do I paste it it took me a few to figure out how to take a snap shoot
[07:43] <sampan> starhawk, well you can use the pastebin to post snapshots, but for a text file it's much easier to copy-paste the text itself.
[07:43] <starhawk> where is the paste been
[07:43] <rmn30> does anyone use the xine backend with amarok?
[07:43] <sampan> !pastebin
[07:43] <ubotu> hmm... pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:44] <rmn30> i am having problems playing flac files
[07:45] <starhawk> its there
[07:45] <sampan> starhawk  can you give us a url?
[07:46] <sampan> starhawk  how about this.  keep the pastebin site open in your browser.  open up a terminal (konsole)
[07:46] <starhawk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7097
[07:46] <starhawk> that ok
[07:47] <sampan> unfortunately, it's not.  you pasted the text of the location of the file and not the screenshot. (there's two boxes, one for text and one for screenshots)
[07:47] <sampan> open up a konsole (terminal)
[07:48] <hca> need help on installing jdk1.3, anyone know what url to put in the sources list to get the package ?
[07:48] <starhawk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[07:48] <starhawk> try that
[07:48] <sampan> in the konsole, type: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:49] <rmn30> hca: plf repos have jdk1.4 and 1.5
[07:49] <rmn30> but not 1.3 it would seem
[07:49] <hca> i know, but i need 1.3
[07:49] <rmn30> i would say best bet is to download the linux rpm from sun
[07:49] <hca> tried to download from sun, but get error messages when trying to run it
[07:49] <seashell11> hey is Riddell still around? I think the server for downloading that new dapper must be down because my downloads stopped and I can no longer get onto the page to start them from a web browser
[07:50] <rmn30> like?
[07:50] <hca> didnt try the rpm, but the selfextracting filr
[07:50] <hca> *file
[07:50] <starhawk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7099
[07:50] <rmn30> should work equally welll
[07:50] <Riddell> seashell11: cdimage has quite strict rules to stop multiple connections which sometimes get in the way of legit downloads
[07:50] <hca> rmn30,  i get this errormessage :   java: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:50] <starhawk> I did what you said
[07:50] <rmn30> ah
[07:51] <sampan> starhawk  good :)  that's actually easier to work with than a screenshot
[07:51] <rmn30> have you tried sudo apt-get install libstdc++6
[07:52] <starhawk> dose it look ok
[07:52] <seashell11> Riddell ok, I was trying to download both the live cd and the install cd at the same time, now I got onto the web page again and am downloading just the install cd
[07:52] <hca> yes rmn30 i already have the newest version installed
[07:53] <rmn30> seems like it depends on a particular version of libstdc++ which isn't available
[07:53] <rmn30> i am not an expert in these matters
[07:54] <rmn30> could you pastebin ldd <java executable>
[07:55] <hca> sorry rmn30 you mean do an "ldd java" ?
[07:55] <starhawk> I am back got disconnected
[07:55] <rmn30> yes
[07:55] <rmn30> except give the whole path to java executable
[07:55] <hca> it just says that its not a dynamic executable
[07:56] <rmn30> oh
[07:56] <rmn30> perhaps it is a script
[07:56] <starhawk> sampan are you there
[07:56] <sampan> starhawk  wb :)  i'm assuming that asking for the "restricted" repos you're wanting the "multiverse"?
[07:56] <sampan> or are there others that you had in mind?
[07:56] <starhawk> yes
[07:56] <hca> oh... sorry rmn30 :  ldd /opt/jdk1.3.1_17/bin/i386/native_threads/java
[07:56] <rmn30> 2 ticks i shall just fetch the sun package
[07:56] <hca>         linux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000)
[07:56] <hca>         libpthread.so.0 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7f26000)
[07:56] <hca>         libhpi.so => not found
[07:56] <hca>         libjvm.so => not found
[07:56] <hca>         libdl.so.2 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7f22000)
[07:57] <hca>         libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb7df4000)
[07:57] <hca>         /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f4b000)
[07:57] <robotgeek> hca: don't paste in here
[07:57] <sampan> starhawk  still have that konsole window open?
[07:57] <hca> sorry
[07:57] <starhawk> yes
[07:57] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell hca about the pastebin
[07:57] <sampan> starhawk  good!  type: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list_backup
[07:58] <rmn30> hmmm
[07:58] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell hca about pastebin
[07:58] <vicks> does anybody know if any of the latest live-cd builds of dapper is at a usable state?
[07:58] <starhawk> okay thats done
[07:58] <jjesse> yes today's
[07:58] <jjesse> its a canidate for flight3
[07:59] <rmn30> hca sorry i don't have time to look into this now
[07:59] <hca> thats ok rmn30 thanks anyway :)
[07:59] <rmn30> try  man ldconfig
[07:59] <vicks> nice
[07:59] <rmn30> good luck
[08:00] <sampan> starhawk  k, now, return to pastebin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7100   i've modified the sources.list.  you can copy it
[08:00] <starhawk> now what
[08:00] <sampan> save it to your $HOME directory -- name it whatever you like, just remember the name
[08:01] <sampan> (you might have to open Kate -- or any text editor -- to paste the text into)
[08:03] <user__> can someone help me? i am having trouble getting my resolution set in kubuntu
[08:03] <nlindblad> sure
[08:04] <robotgeek> user__, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:04] <user__> i did that, and it did not work for some reason
[08:04] <user__> the resolution mode i wanted showed up after that
[08:04] <user__> but when i selected it, the screen was divided into 4 parts
[08:04] <starhawk> got it
[08:05] <nlindblad> user__: what resolution did you "want"?
[08:05] <user__> nlindblad: 1280x1200
[08:05] <tmircea> how do i install kdevelop ?
[08:06] <nlindblad> user__: sure you don't mean 1280x1024?
[08:06] <user__> yes, that is what i mean
[08:06] <starhawk> now what do I do
[08:06] <sampan> starhawk, now kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  -- and delete all the old info in there and paste the new stuff from pastebin
[08:07] <erosgol> kaffeine plays mp3 format correct? because i think my alsa driver is messed up
[08:07] <nlindblad> user__: have you tried a lower one?
[08:08] <m_tadeu> tmircea: i think you have to enable "universe" in the repositories
[08:08] <WangWeiLin> Hello everybody I have a Problem - I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung x10 with a NVIDIA GeForce 5200 go an cannot get the driver to work after I restart ... Here is my story: Because there is no proper driver for my chip and System I had to compile a driver and use the NVIDIA function which seems to compile a module or something. This works just fine after killing the kdm with the command /etc/init.d/kdm stop installing the NVIDIA driver r
[08:09] <tmircea> how do i keep apache2 from starting at boot?
[08:09] <tmircea> disable it
[08:09] <tmircea> where
[08:10] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: how come the nvidia driver you can fetch via apt wasn't suitable?
[08:10] <WangWeiLin> no wasn 't
[08:10] <m_tadeu> i'm getting 2 errors at boot time on modules "fan" and "thermal"...how do i remove them?
[08:16] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[08:16] <WangWeiLin> /hop
[08:17] <jariep1_> hi all
[08:17] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[08:18] <jariep1_> I left kubuntu running for over an hour unattended and now the monitor has shut down, but it won't restart... what to do?
[08:21] <weedar> jariep1_, tried pressing keys /move the mouse and/or turn the monitor on/off?
[08:21] <jariep1_> ok
[08:21] <jariep1_> thanks
[08:21] <jariep1_> didn't think of turning monitor off
[08:21] <jariep1_> weedar, it worked
[08:23] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[08:23] <weedar> jariep1_, good :)
[08:23] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: change the Driver "nv" to Driver "nvidia"
[08:23] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: done that?
[08:24] <WangWeiLin> no ?
[08:24] <WangWeiLin> where am I supposed to change that ?
[08:24] <starhawk> sampan I sent anther snap shot http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7105
[08:25] <yellowdart> WangWeiLin: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:25] <WangWeiLin> ok I ll check that thanks
[08:25] <nlindblad> good evening yellowdart
[08:25] <kkathman> nlindblad .  yellowdart   howdy to you both :)
[08:25] <sampan> starhawk  looks good!  save the file in kate, close kate. close adept (if you still have it open)
[08:26] <sampan> hey kkathman :)
[08:26] <kkathman> howdy sampan :)
[08:26] <yellowdart> nlindblad, kkathman: good afternoon
[08:26] <starhawk> okay
[08:26] <sampan> starhawk  and then, in konsole type: sudo apt-get update    .... that will download the package lists from the new repos :)
[08:26] <seashell11> hi you all, kkathman back? :-)
[08:26] <kkathman> yes :)
[08:27] <kkathman> and front too
[08:27] <seashell11> lol thats good how bout inside? or did the worms eat that kkathman?
[08:28] <sampan> seashell11  if you start asking about his top and bottom .... i'm outta here ;x
[08:28] <kkathman> rofl
[08:28] <starhawk> now will they be in adept
[08:28] <seashell11> lol nope I don't think I need any details on that
[08:28] <starhawk> I did it in konsole
[08:29] <sampan> starhawk  yep, now the packages will be in adept :)
[08:29] <starhawk> do I need to fetch updates in adept
[08:29] <sampan> starhawk  that's the same thing that "sudo apt-get update" does :)
[08:30] <WangWeiLin> nlindblad the driver is allready set to "nvidia" and not "nv"
[08:30] <starhawk> okay
[08:30] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: lsmod|grep 'nvidia'
[08:30] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: too see if it's loaded
[08:32] <tmircea> what are GUIDs ?
[08:34] <endo602> good day
[08:35] <darkheart> tmircea: You'll never guess what google returns when you search for 'guid'
[08:35] <endo602> i just installed breezy on my sata partitioned drive and now the desktop keeps freezing up
[08:35] <endo602> i can move the mouse but i cant do anything on the desktop
[08:35] <endo602> its kde 3.5
[08:35] <endo602> any ideas?
[08:39] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[08:40] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: lsmod|grep 'nvidia'
[08:40] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: too see if it's loaded
[08:41] <tmircea> su/kdesu doesnt work nor in konsole/terminal or in kde apps
[08:41] <WangWeiLin> nlindblad no doesn't
[08:41] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: then load it?
[08:42] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: modprobe nvidia
[08:42] <nlindblad> if there's anything wrong with the module it'll tell you
[08:42] <yellowdart> WangWeiLin: i would suggest 'apt-get install nvidia-glx' ...in your xorg.conf comment out the lines 'Load "dri"' and the entire 'Section "DRI"'
[08:42] <yellowdart> make sure that your driver is nvidia and not nv
[08:43] <WangWeiLin> the driver in the xorg is not nv it is nvidia
[08:43] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: he mentioned other stuff aswell
[08:43] <nlindblad> WangWeiLin: but if lsmod doesn't list it as loaded, you should load it
[08:43] <WangWeiLin> ok I will try that
[08:43] <WangWeiLin> cya in a bit I hope
[08:44] <nlindblad> yeah, good luck
[08:44] <starhawk> thank you sampan for your patice and good day
[08:44] <yellowdart> WangWeiLin: good luck
[08:59] <yellowdart> if anyone is looking for a nice replacement for konsole, yakuake is awesome http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153
[09:01] <darkheart> Yep, nice tool, but can't replace konsole =)
[09:02] <yellowdart> darkheart: personally i like eterm the best though...but for kde
[09:02] <WangWeiLin> nlindblad and yellowdart it didn't work
[09:02] <sampan> what does yakuake do/have that konsole can't/lacks?
[09:02] <yellowdart> WangWeiLin: :-/
[09:04] <yellowdart> sampan: yakuake runs in the background and hides when you dont use it...you just press a hotkey (F12) to bring it up when you need it
[09:04] <WangWeiLin> life sucks and even more Nvidia driver
[09:04] <yellowdart> WangWeiLin: i'm not sure what other advice to give...that's the setup that i'm using here and i have a 6600gt
[09:05] <darkheart> yellowdart: =) I love yakuake..I just do a lot of console work..gets to be a pain in the ass to F12 all the time. But I always have yakuake running for quick console access =)
[09:05] <sampan> yellowdart  ahh ... i suppose that's nice.  i always have konsole running (at least three tabs: irssi, folding@home, and a term) ... so that 'feature' would be redundant for me
[09:06] <m_tadeu> is it possible for an application to lock a tcp_ip port?
[09:06] <WangWeiLin> I just dont understand its working and than after the restart it looks like I never had a driver ever
[09:06] <darkheart> sampan: I'm the same way, but I find that it's a good, quick access terminal just to check on things or do small work so you don't have to change desktops or mess up what you are doing in your current konsole.
[09:06] <yellowdart> darkheart: it's either F12 or Alt-Tab...I do lots of console work too
[09:07] <WangWeiLin> m_tadeu nmap "apt-get install nmap" ( I think
[09:07] <yellowdart> sampan: yakuake does tabs too :)
[09:07] <sampan> darkheart  sounds well thought out
[09:08] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[09:08] <darkheart> yellowdart: Yeah, I know you can change the key sequence to whatever, but it gets to be a pain, imo, having to scroll the window up and down all the time.
[09:08] <Hanning> hi folks, having a problem with my net connection
[09:08] <yellowdart> darkheart: no, i was referring to Alt-Tab as the standard app switch keystroke :)
[09:09] <WangWeiLin> Hanning you should go a little more into detail
[09:09] <darkheart> yellowdart: LoL oh right.
[09:10] <Hanning> WangWeiLin, right, I have a external modem connected via my ethernet card, it works in windows & another distro but will not work with kubuntu
[09:10] <Hanning> after 3 hours last night no-one in here was any the wiser as to why it wasn't working
[09:10] <WangWeiLin> external modem : brand ?
[09:11] <Hanning> Motorola surfboard
[09:11] <Hanning> SB5100
[09:12] <PaloDeQueso> How's dapper repositories lookin'?
[09:12] <WangWeiLin> and what is not working does kubuntu not detect hardware or what ?
[09:12] <PaloDeQueso> Should I upgrade?
[09:12] <kkathman> no
[09:12] <PaloDeQueso> kk
[09:12] <kkathman> its not even beta
[09:12] <kkathman> wont be till late March/April
[09:13] <PaloDeQueso> but flight 2 * stomps up and down in need of dapper *
[09:13] <PaloDeQueso> Damnit
[09:13] <kkathman> lol
[09:13] <Hanning> WangWeiLin, kubuntu can't resolve DHCP and interfact with net
[09:13] <kkathman> you can upgrade if you want, but just beware that you might have tons of tweaking to do on a daily/hourly basis
[09:13] <WangWeiLin> what does your ifconfig say ?
[09:14] <Hanning> WangWeiLin, noting much, Rx & Tx both 0
[09:14] <Hanning> give me my mac address
[09:15] <Hanning> s/give/gives
[09:15] <WangWeiLin> ifconfig eth0 up
[09:16] <Hanning> interface eth0 already configured
[09:16] <WangWeiLin> than I don't know what the problem is
[09:17] <WangWeiLin> did you add the default gateway because sometimes the AP doesn't send dhcp
[09:17] <Hanning> how would I go about finding my default gateway
[09:17] <WangWeiLin> route add default gateway <gateway>
[09:18] <WangWeiLin> whatever IP your AP has
[09:18] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[09:20] <mrmistik1> does the ubuntu kernel come patched for fbsplash?
[09:30] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[09:38] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[09:39] <seashell11> WangWeiLin maybe you should try posting this on ubuntuforums.org or linuxquestions.org
[09:40] <sampan> could also try asking in #ubuntu ... a non-kde person might have an idea
[09:46] <Knowerrors> Anyone else have crappy looking fonts in the body of this page http://www.askmen.com/dating/dating_advice_150/178_dating_tips_a.html ?
[09:48] <sampan> knowerrors  that page looks fine in firefox for me
[09:49] <sampan> looks good in konq too
[09:50] <Knowerrors> sampan: what are your font settings please?
[09:50] <sampan> knowerrors  in firefox?  or kde?
[09:51] <Knowerrors> I use same font settings for both
[09:51] <Knowerrors>  look at the letter y and k on that page , mine look choppy
[09:52] <Knowerrors> On this line, the ys look bad "Yes, you read that right. Naturals can be created. And you can do it."
[09:52] <sampan> all looks good for me
[09:53] <Knowerrors> sampan: ok, what are your font settings in firefox?
[09:53] <sampan> my firefox settings are: proportional: sans serif (size pixels: 16); serif: serif; sans-serif: sans-serif; monospace: monospace; display resol: system setting; minimum font size: none
[09:54] <sampan> all defaults i think -- i haven't changed them
[09:57] <Knowerrors> hmm, maybe its my kde font settings then
[09:57] <Knowerrors> cause the ys on that line look broken
[09:57] <sampan> :/
[09:58] <tmircea> help
[09:58] <tmircea> i cant compile
[09:58] <tmircea> tmircea@Home09036:~/work/testing$ gcc -c test.c
[09:58] <tmircea> test.c:1:19: error: stdio.h: No such file or directory
[09:58] <tmircea> test.c: In function main:
[09:58] <tmircea> test.c:5: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function printf
[09:58] <Knowerrors> I use Bitsream fonts for everything, and for most stuff theyre fine
[09:59] <sampan> knowerrors ... my kde settings are default too i think: general: dejavu sans 11; fixed width: dejavu sans mono 10; toolbar: dejavu sans 12; menu: dejavu sans 12; window title: dejavu sans 12; taskbar: dejavu sans 11; desktop: dejavu sans 12"
[09:59] <Knowerrors> lowercase itallics always look bad, and alot of stuff looks bad small
[10:00] <sampan> maybe your anti-aliasing is messing up the small stuff?  could try turning it off, or making it only kick in above a certain font size?
[10:01] <WangWeiLin> Who knows the Problem? I am running Kubuntu on a Samsung X10 with a Nvidia GF 5200 go and cannot get it to work proper. I can compile driver from the page or download them with apt-get but after the next restart they don't work anymore and I have to change the /etc/X11/xorg.conf to have my X running again... can u help me?
[10:01] <kkathman> Knowerrors: my page displays beautifully
[10:01] <kkathman> just for what its worth
[10:03] <joel86> anyone who know any mp3 player that looks like winamp ??
[10:03] <Blissex> WangWeiLin: you mean the proprietary NVIDIA driver?
[10:03] <Blissex> joel86: yes.
[10:04] <joel86> =p,, then whats the prog name ??
[10:04] <WangWeiLin> Blissex yes
[10:04] <robotgeek> joel86: xmms/beep-media-player
[10:05] <Blissex> WangWeiLin: there are several versions of Kubuntu/ubuntu kernels that come with ready-made NVIDIA packages. Just use those.
[10:05] <Blissex> joel86: XMMS and its successor called ZINF
[10:05] <joel86> ok =)
[10:05] <robotgeek> Blissex: though, it never worked for me
[10:06] <Blissex> robotgeek: well, that's by far the easiest route though.
[10:06] <robotgeek> Blissex: beep-media-player seems close enuf, can use winamp skins also
[10:06] <Blissex> WangWeiLin: also note that 2go chipsets often have a few problems.
[10:06] <WangWeiLin> Blissex I tried that but they don't work after the restart don't ask why
[10:07] <Blissex> WangWeiLin: the usual way to debug that is to look at the X server log, like '/var/log/Xorg.0.log'
[10:07] <tmircea> http://www.rafb.net./paste/results/LymeED11.html
[10:07] <tmircea> pls help
[10:07] <tmircea> please.. i have a big problem
[10:07] <Blissex> WangWeiLin: I have also written comprehensive, if low level, NVIDIA driver checkout page here: http://tinyurl.com/58zb9
[10:08] <Blissex> tmircea: install the devel libraries...
[10:08] <Blissex> tmircea: there is a metapackage that pulls in all the required bits, IIRC it is called 'build-essentials'
[10:09] <tmircea> apt-get install build-essentials?
[10:09] <Blissex> tmircea: probably, this is from memory.
[10:09] <tmircea> gcc-devel?
[10:09] <Blissex> tmircea: it is "build-essential"
[10:10] <Blissex> tmircea: no, the lib is 'libc-devel', and it is included in 'build-essential'.
[10:10] <Tm_T> well, what he's compiling?
[10:10] <Tm_T> apt-get build-dep <app>
[10:11] <Tm_T> for example: apt-get build-dep kopete will give all what you need to compile kopete
[10:11] <c_aus_b> i've got a problem: need the kde headers.... kde-base ist the correct package, isn't it?
[10:11] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: look above
[10:11] <Blissex> c_aus_b: same here -- the devel package.
[10:11] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: do as I just said and be happy
[10:11] <c_aus_b> mmh...
[10:11] <Tm_T> apt powers <3
[10:12] <tmircea> apt-get build-dep build-essentials ?
[10:12] <c_aus_b> kdebase-dev:
[10:12] <c_aus_b>  Hngt ab: kdelibs4-dev aber es wird nicht installiert
[10:12] <c_aus_b> doesn't work..
[10:12] <tmircea> is this what i need to compile progies?
[10:12] <Tm_T> tmircea: you're not compiling build-essentials
[10:13] <tmircea> no
[10:13] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: what you're compiling?
[10:13] <Blissex> tmircea: 'apt-get install build-essential' thats all
[10:13] <tmircea> im compiling a hello world app
[10:13] <tmircea> ok
[10:13] <tmircea> thanks
[10:13] <Tm_T> ah, then build-essential is enough
[10:13] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: nah
[10:14] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: klear is...
[10:14] <c_aus_b> it is using scons... scans cant find my kde-headers
[10:14] <c_aus_b> klear.org -> dvb suite
[10:14] <Tm_T> ah ok
[10:15] <libben> is there anyway to convert the ext3 home dir to ntfs without loosing its data?
[10:15] <Tm_T> libben: I doubt
[10:15] <Tm_T> libben: why you would like to do so
[10:16] <Tm_T> c_aus_b: if you don't care about few extra package, apt-get install kde-devel
[10:17] <libben> need to put the drive into a windows box, and it has alot of tvseries that i dont wanna loose. and my friend wants it.
[10:17] <c_aus_b> doesnt work...
[10:17] <c_aus_b> :(
[10:17] <Tm_T> doesn't work?
[10:17] <c_aus_b> "not solved dependencies"
[10:18] <seashell11> libben maybe you can convert it to fat32?
[10:18] <seashell11> I don't no if you can do this without losing any data though
[10:19] <nlindblad> always backup
[10:19] <nlindblad> you are never guaranteed a clean convertion no matter the format
[10:20] <seashell11> But whoever that was that said something about that yakuake terminal program, THANKS! Because I love it already.
[10:21] <weedar> I'd never use a terminal program that rhymed with bukkake
[10:22] <c_aus_b> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/504539 <<< in german, sorry :)
[10:25] <seashell11> weedar you might say that but go here http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153 install it and give it a try, its awesome you hit F12 and it slides down, then you get it started doing something hit F12 and it slides back up and keeps working
[10:26] <libben> hmm, i also need to remove the grub loading
[10:26] <seashell11> c_aus_b: did you try sudo apt-get -f install ?
[10:26] <libben> is it just pop the xp disc and rescue mode and type fix mbr?
[10:26] <libben> or what the magic word is in recovery mode =)
[10:27] <c_aus_b> nope, but i just did it: some problems
[10:28] <Knowerrors> sampan: yeah, I have exclude range turned off, will try with it on
[10:28] <Knowerrors> for anti alising
[10:34] <seashell11> maybe try installing those four packages that it says depend but are not to be installed c_aus_b
[10:34] <Knowerrors> To anybody using ubuntu and windows:  I had windows insalled on my hda1, and linux on extened hda5 with bootloader on the mbr of hda, which I installed after windows, then the windows partion got messed up and I had to wipe it...
[10:34] <Knowerrors> How do I reinstall windows without having to also reinstall linux?
[10:35] <seashell11> Knowerrors reinstall windows on the partition it was on then start up with live cd and reinstall grub
[10:36] <Knowerrors> what if I don't have the ubuntu live cd?
[10:36] <Knowerrors> Ive got a PCLinuxOS live cd... can I use that
[10:37] <seashell11> you can also do it with a regular ubuntu install cd, it takes longer and I don't no how to do it if you search google im sure that would work
[10:46] <Knowerrors> seashell11: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows is what I needed
[10:48] <seashell11> Knowerrors looks like that ought to work
[10:49] <Knowerrors> off to try, hasta
[10:50] <rjb> hi there, i know my q is a little o/t, but let me ask anyway
[10:50] <seashell11> rjb well go ahead and ask it for pete's sake!! lol
[10:50] <rjb> what can be the cause that on some of the audio cd's coming out of my burner
[10:50] <rjb> the first couple of minutes of each track is missing??
[10:51] <rjb> i've had this happen both with k3b and with a windows gizmo that came preinstalled on my machine
[10:52] <rjb> the h/w is brand new
[10:53] <seashell11> ???????? I've never heard of that happening!
[10:53] <rjb> well neither have i but it happens to me
[10:54] <rjb> the software reports all went ok of course
[10:54] <seashell11> Has your burner ever worked right or does it always do this?
[10:54] <rjb> not every time, no
[10:54] <rjb> just once in a while
[10:54] <seashell11> But its been doing it off and on ever since you got it?
[10:54] <rjb> yeah roght
[10:55] <rjb> right
[10:55] <rjb> which wasn't long ago btw
[10:55] <rjb> data cd's seem to come out ok every time
[10:56] <seashell11> the only thing I could think of would be a hardware problem
[10:56] <rjb> you think it's a warranty case?
[10:57] <seashell11> Call there tech support and see what they have to say.
[10:57] <rjb> i dunno, maybe i shouldn't be using max speed on cheap media?
[10:58] <seashell11> Try it slower, that might be the problem
[10:59] <rjb> but hmm then i guess it would still be wrong for the drive not to report failure
[11:00] <seashell11> yea that's what I would think
[11:02] <rjb> and i suppose k3b is smart enough to notice something went wrong if the drive told it
[11:07] <Vivaldi> Question to everyone: have you ever tried to install/update packages by using one of the graphical tool provided with the distro?
[11:08] <nalioth> Vivaldi: i use synaptic all the time
[11:08] <Vivaldi> nalioth, does it ask for any password before entering the tool, i suppose yes, right?
[11:09] <nalioth> it is supposed to, yes, Vivaldi
[11:11] <Vivaldi> nalioth, can you explain why i can't login?
[11:11] <Vivaldi> i do the same
[11:11] <nalioth> Vivaldi: try alt-f2 > kdesu adept
[11:11] <Vivaldi> it asks for the user password, but i can't login
[11:12] <Vivaldi> it's the 5th time i install kubuntu
[11:12] <Vivaldi> in expert mode
[11:12] <Vivaldi> tools ask for password but i can't login in any way
[11:12] <Vivaldi> how do you expect i can configure my damn system if it refuses to let me login?
[11:13] <nalioth> Vivaldi: ah, "expert mode"
[11:13] <nalioth> Vivaldi: you are an expert. have fun.
[11:14] <nalioth> Vivaldi: iow, i have no idea how you have set your system up, so cannot help you further.
[11:15] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i didn't touch it
[11:16] <Vivaldi> nalioth, i just installed it, logged via dgm and tried to use adept: it refused to let me login .. be it the root or user password
[11:16] <nalioth> Vivaldi: neither password will work?
[11:17] <Vivaldi> nalioth, no
[11:17] <nalioth> Vivaldi: then i'm at a loss.
[11:18] <Vivaldi> i doubt none noticed this problem when doing an expert installation by just following the simple steps appearing during the installation
[11:20] <indo> Vivaldi: it is a bug
[11:21] <Finalhazard> Hey, it's me. I have a question, as if that wasn't obvious.
[11:21] <indo> Vivaldi: is it kubuntu breezy?
[11:21] <Finalhazard> Is there a package for installing support for a Rio MP3 player on Kubuntu? I've been hoping there would be one, and I'd like to have my music on this PC transferred to my MP3 player.
[11:22] <Vivaldi> indo, i do not remember i downloaded it two months ago if i remember well
[11:22] <Vivaldi> indo, does it happen in expert mode installation only?
[11:23] <indo> Vivaldi, no it is a bug with KDE
[11:23] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: you'd have to activate the universe-repository
[11:23] <indo> one sec and I can tell you how to bypass
[11:23] <Vivaldi> indo, why others did not notice this before?
[11:23] <Finalhazard> Oh.
[11:23] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: it's in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:24] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: but the lines of universe are commented out
[11:24] <andreas_> hi guys, I did a dist-upgrade a while a go and suddenly two new mounts have turned up, varrun and varlock
[11:24] <Finalhazard> Oh.
[11:24] <nlindblad> s/of/for
[11:24] <Finalhazard> Well, there's a problem.
[11:24] <dreamless> Hey i have by a mistake removed the kcontrol-like controlpanel from my kde kmenu how do i get it back?
[11:24] <andreas_> that is, I don't know if they just turned up but I think they did
[11:24] <Finalhazard> I'm not exactly using the original sources.list.
[11:24] <Vivaldi> indo, is this fixed somwhere in kubuntu? i wonder how others use kde without this problem
[11:24] <Finalhazard> The reason is because it kept giving me errors.
[11:24] <nlindblad> dreamless: there's a menu editor
[11:24] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: okey
[11:24] <indo> Vivaldi, use a term - edit /etc/kde3/Xstartup - at the top put "rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache" (minus the quotes)
[11:24] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: what are you using?
[11:25] <dreamless> nlindblad: yeah but im no sure what i need to add because if i add kcontrol i dont get that fancy kubuntu menu
[11:25] <Finalhazard> As in, KDE version or Kubuntu version? If it's kubuntu then Breezy, of course.
[11:26] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: but you seemed sure you don't have the default sources.list?
[11:26] <indo> Vivaldi, if you have a working connection you can update and fix it
[11:26] <Vivaldi> indo, ok.. but is there any update available that solves this problem? i'd prefer downloading a newest distro profiting by a newest distro
[11:26] <Finalhazard> Yes. I had to replace it because whenever I'd use the apt-get command it gave me errors.
[11:27] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: paste it at http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[11:27] <indo> edit your repositories list (do a search), and sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:27] <nlindblad> seashell11: !
[11:27] <Finalhazard> Ok.
[11:28] <Vivaldi> is kubuntu-breezy the latest kubuntu iso?
[11:28] <nlindblad> yes
[11:28] <seashell11> nlindblad yea its me again, I just had to restart x
[11:28] <nlindblad> it's having the same release-cycle as Ubuntu
[11:28] <nlindblad> as they share the base system and loads of more stuff
[11:29] <indo> breezy teed me off with the admin bug
[11:30] <Vivaldi> indo, do you know whether  i can download  a newest iso of kubuntu?
[11:30] <Vivaldi> indo, (fixing the prob)
[11:30] <Finalhazard> For some reason, it won't let me paste it.
[11:31] <Finalhazard> Wait, nvrmind.
[11:31] <Finalhazard> Got it.
[11:31] <seashell11> Vivaldi http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[11:31] <Finalhazard> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/504660
[11:31] <indo> Vivaldi, 5.10 is the latest version out, and I just downloaded it 3 days ago, I had the same problem not being able to log as admin in the gui
[11:32] <Vivaldi> damn
[11:32] <dandielionous> Not being able to log in as admin in the terminal window I believe is a bug on kubuntu 5.10
[11:33] <dandielionous> There is a work around.
[11:33] <dandielionous> sudo passwd root
[11:33] <indo> it was only the gui stuff for me, system settings and adept
[11:33] <dandielionous> To disable it "sudo passwd -1"
[11:34] <Vivaldi> yeah.. me too ... it was only the gui stuff
[11:34] <nlindblad> Finalhazard: you have universe there, have you done a sudo apt-get update ??
[11:34] <dandielionous> I was wondering about that.
[11:34] <dandielionous> I noticed some problems with the gui not accepting me as root.
[11:34] <Finalhazard> I've not tried that.
[11:34] <dandielionous> lol
[11:34] <nalioth> dandielionous: that is not a workaround. a root account breaks functionality
[11:34] <Finalhazard> I'll try it though:
[11:35] <nalioth> Finalhazard: update your kubuntu to the latest
[11:35] <dandielionous> Okay maybe workaround is the wrong word.
[11:35] <dandielionous> I just know those commands let me enter a root password.
[11:35] <nalioth> a root account is not the answer, gentlemen and ladies
[11:35] <Finalhazard> 5.10's the latest, right?
[11:35] <Finalhazard> Mine is already 5.10.
[11:35] <nalioth> dandielionous: we dont have an active root account in kubuntu for a reason.
[11:36] <dandielionous> Okay.
[11:36] <nalioth> Finalhazard: not that latest version, the latest program versions in 5.10
[11:36] <nalioth> kkathman: can you jump in here, please
[11:36] <dandielionous> Sorry on my computer if I want to be root I will.
[11:36] <Finalhazard> >>;
[11:36] <Finalhazard> How do you do that?
[11:36] <dandielionous> Sorry if I violated some principle.
[11:36] <kkathman> wassup nalioth sorry
[11:36] <Finalhazard> I've done apt-get update...
[11:36] <kkathman> was chatting with an idiot in --offtopic
[11:37] <kkathman> wassup
[11:37] <nalioth> kkathman: we're enabling root accounts here to 'fix' problems
[11:37] <dandielionous> That's not what I said nalioth.
[11:37] <kkathman> uhmmm
[11:37] <kkathman> we dont WANT to enable root accounts
[11:37] <kkathman> thats BAD
[11:37] <kkathman> REAL bad
[11:37] <sampan> roots are for trees!  save the trees!  use sudo!
[11:38] <nalioth> dandielionous: a "workaround" is "a fix" of sorts, no?
[11:38] <kkathman> lol sampan :)
[11:38] <kkathman> Sudo is the superior model..safer, more secure, and more reliable
[11:38] <sampan> hehehehe i'm trying to get that as ubuntu's (unofficial) slogan
[11:38] <sampan> ;x
[11:38] <dandielionous> You know I come in this room to learn something.
[11:39] <dandielionous> Rarely do I get an answer.
[11:39] <dandielionous> And I get lots of snottiness.
[11:39] <kkathman> then you can always leave and try elsewhere
[11:39] <dandielionous> Thanks a lot.
[11:39] <Finalhazard> Mebbe I wasn't clear... how do you update the programs automatically in Kubuntu?
[11:39] <dandielionous> I don't have to leave.
[11:39] <kkathman> yanno, no one gets paid for this
[11:39] <indo> Finalhazard try sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:39] <kkathman> and most everyone I know here gives pretty good answers and reliable ones
[11:39] <Finalhazard> Ah.
[11:39] <dandielionous> So if you're not paid for being snotty why don't you quit doing it.
[11:40] <Finalhazard> I forgot that one too... sorry.
[11:40] <indo> all good
[11:40] <nalioth> Finalhazard: enabling a root account is not advisable. if there was a need for it, the ubuntu team would've shipped it with one
[11:40] <seashell11> Ok, I know that the root account isn't good, and I don't use it but how bout some of you guys give dandielionous some reasons for what you are saying
[11:40] <Finalhazard> Uhm, I didn't ask to enable the root.
[11:40] <Finalhazard> XP
[11:40] <sampan> dandielionous  they -are- telling you information that you can learn from.  sudo is better, safer, and works in ubuntu. enabling and using root is less secure and -will- break some functionality
[11:40] <Finalhazard> little mix-up there.
[11:40] <dandielionous> ty seashell11  I understand a root account isn't good either.
[11:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell dandielionous about root
[11:41] <kkathman> seashell11: first, there is no reason to use root for anything
[11:41] <kkathman> seashell11: second, people that are inexperienced (even if they think otherwise) shouldnt use it because they can do things that will break their system without knowing
[11:41] <seashell11> id fully agree with you there kkathman lol but it gets kinda funny when people start argueing about it
[11:42] <dandielionous> Back in the original conversation it seems to me a person was talking about not being able to use sudo or root.
[11:42] <dandielionous> I know I don't know a lot about linux.
[11:42] <dandielionous> I just said I did know that workaround.
[11:42] <dandielionous> Which apparently was the wrong word to use.
[11:42] <dandielionous> Sorry.
[11:42] <dandielionous> Sorry for being rude.
[11:42] <kkathman> seashell11: third - the model architecture for sudo runs very deep, with the establishment of the sudoers file which is a far better, controlled model for priviledges than root is
[11:43] <nalioth> dandielionous: we're here to 'nip in the bud' activities and suggestions that may be detrimental to users boxen
[11:43] <kkathman> alot of us help people everyday in here, and many problems are caused because they DO enable root and do things to their system (so not doing that, helps long term maintenance and our ability to help)
[11:45] <sampan> do i really need the hpiod (hp printing something or other) running if i don't have a HP printer?
[11:45] <sampan> is that part of cups?
[11:46] <nlindblad> sampan: probably
[11:46] <dandielionous> By the way kkathman gtkrc 2.0 does exist on my computer.  And I fixed gaims faults by a gaim plugin.
[11:46] <dandielionous> Thanks for your once again non-help the other day.
[11:46] <kkathman> excellent!
[11:46] <dandielionous> Little tin gods.
[11:46] <kkathman> nice, very nice
[11:47] <sampan> nlindblad  okay ... when i run netstat -tl ... it shows a tcp port open and netstat -tp shows it open with that hpiod ... so i get paranoid
[11:47] <sampan> i guess dandielionous has been having a bad day or something :/
[11:47] <kkathman> perhaps
[11:47] <Finalhazard> Ok, it's done.
[11:47] <kkathman> shrug
[11:47] <Finalhazard> Hey, it's working. Thanks!
[11:47] <kkathman> we all cant know everything about everything
[11:48] <nlindblad> sampan: hpiod sounds like hp input/output daemon
[11:48] <kkathman> all I told him the other day was that I didnt have that file on my system :)
[11:48] <nlindblad> sampan: is there a HP-printer connected to the computer?
[11:48] <kkathman> shrug
[11:48] <sampan> nlindblad  no. i have a brother laser printer, but nothing HP at all
[11:49] <nlindblad> sampan: hang on
[11:49] <nlindblad> sampan: it's a part of the HP Inkjet driver
[11:49] <seashell11> Riddell: I downloaded the flight 3 install cd and tried installing it. It got as far as asking wich keyboard I was using, and then it went through the Detecting Hardware to find CD-ROM Drives, and then I get a blue screen. It just sits there and never goes any farther.
[11:49] <sampan> kkathman  *nod* sounds like he heard what he wanted to hear: that people here aren't helpful and are snotty
[11:49] <sampan> nlindblad  lol -- i wonder if i need that since i don't have an inkjet :D
[11:49] <nlindblad> sampan: probably not :D
[11:50] <Riddell> seashell11: that's not good
[11:50] <Riddell> seashell11: i386?
[11:50] <kkathman> sorry he feels that way, but yanno, when you are "new to linux" as he says, its normally best to listen and not talk as much...ask questions and accept answers :)
[11:50] <seashell11> yes
[11:50] <kkathman> but I know it can be frustrating
[11:50] <sampan> kkathman  indeed -- hence why i keep my mouth shut in here most of the time -- except with really simple stuff that i'm pretty sure i know
[11:50] <seashell11> Riddell, yes its the i386 and it installs fine with 5.10
[11:51] <kkathman> sampan: but we all do our best...thats all we can do
[11:51] <kkathman> sometimes it helps. and sometimes it doesnt :)
[11:52] <seashell11> Riddell: I am just now going to try booting with the live cd
[11:53] <sampan> i wonder if that's part of the hplip (hp linux printing system) that starts on boot -- hrmmm
[11:54] <nlindblad> sampan: I think there's no doubts
[11:54] <nlindblad> s/there's/there are/
[11:54] <sampan> there's even a system group for that
[11:54] <sampan> i think maybe i'll just leave it ... with my luck i'll bust someting in there by fiddling
[11:55] <sampan> errr s/system group/system user account
[11:58] <seashell11> Riddell: the live cd aint doing much better, it has loading modules ok then on mounting root file system it stopped and ain't going any farther, so maybe its not detecting my hardware or cd drive right? I can try it on another computer later tonight at home. The md5 sums are right.
[12:01] <sorush20> I have gnome right now.. to install kubuntu do what is the package?
[12:01] <sampan> sorush20  kubuntu-desktop