[12:04] <ajmitch> most people are in europe now, what's a suitable time for you?
[12:04] <sistpoty> he, I'm a student, so my time is a bit different then normal peoples time ;)
[12:05] <lucasd> ajmitch, where are you from?
[12:05] <ajmitch> lucasd: new zealand
[12:05] <lucasd> oh, I see..
[12:05] <sistpoty> 22.00 utc?
[12:05] <sistpoty> 24.00h utc?
[12:05] <ajmitch> eek
[12:05] <ajmitch> that's getting late for europeans who actually work ;)
[12:05] <sistpoty> 8 utc?
[12:06] <sistpoty> *g*
[12:06] <ajmitch> 8utc might be better, could be too early for you ;)
[12:06] <lucas> what about 22.00 utc the day before ?
[12:06] <ajmitch> shall we take it to the list?
[12:06] <lucas> or 2000 utc
[12:06] <ajmitch> get an agreement for a meeting in 2-3 weeks, settle on a time in the next week
[12:06] <sistpoty> yeah... defer it to the list... we need this meeting to be over now ;)
[12:07] <lucas> ok
[12:07] <ajmitch> or a launchpad poll! ;)
[12:07] <sistpoty> yeeehaa!
[12:07] <\sh> well..good night :)
[12:07] <sistpoty> meeting adjourned ;)
[12:07] <sistpoty> gn8 \sh
[12:07] <ajmitch> night \sh 
[12:07] <\sh> doing the minutes somehow tomorrow or saturday...depends on my timeframe of action
[12:07] <sistpoty> phew... that was long
[12:07] <slomo_> gn8 everybody :)
[12:08] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo_
[12:11] <raphink> ooops sorry I had to go in the middle of it :s
[03:02] <jsgotangco> yo!
[03:02] <LaserJock> hi jsgotangco 
[03:03] <jsgotangco> only us?
[03:03] <LaserJock> I sure hope not
[03:04] <Madpilot> good morning
[03:06] <jsgotangco> heh 3 people this isn't good
[03:07] <jsgotangco> LaserJock, you've been writing lately right?
[03:08] <LaserJock> well, a bit. It's not easy wearing so many hats :(
[03:08] <jsgotangco> yeah :(
[03:08] <azeem> hi
[03:08] <LaserJock> I've been trying to do reaseach, not ignore my wife, run the MOTUScience team, and do some packaging guide
[03:09] <LaserJock> hi azeem 
[03:09] <azeem> oops, this is -meeting
[03:11] <jsgotangco> nobody wants a meeting on friday the 13th
[03:11] <jsgotangco> let's just move this on the 27th, 22:00UTC?
[03:12] <LaserJock> darn, I woke up 0600 so we could move it? oh well
[03:12] <Madpilot> likewise :P
[03:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock, yeah it sucks i'm really sorry
[03:12] <Madpilot> ah well, I can go back to bed for an hour now :)
[03:13] <jsgotangco> we've been having a hard time getting a good number of people on -meeting lately
[03:13] <LaserJock> I understand
[03:13] <LaserJock> we had a 3 hour MOTU meeting yesterday
[03:13] <jsgotangco> but for some reason we get to talk on the channel at any time with no problems
[03:13] <LaserJock> it helps when you have a large number of opinionated people
[03:14] <jsgotangco> unfortunately, docs seems to be a boring thing for community
[03:14] <jsgotangco> (well docs in the distro that is)
[03:15] <jsgotangco> (i hope we don't become a gnome-docs soon)
[03:15] <LaserJock> yeah, I have been trying to poke the MOTU for feedback on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide but really haven't gotten any response
[03:16] <jsgotangco> I asked zakame to verify it though
[03:16] <jsgotangco> he made some changes in the wiki
[03:16] <jsgotangco> because i reviewed the doc in svn
[03:17] <jsgotangco> it didn't work with me
[03:17] <dholbach> LaserJock: We repeatedly said to talk to Diziet, since he'll work on the other Ubuntu Packaging Guide.
[03:18] <LaserJock> dholbach: Diziet doesn't say anything, he hasn't begun working on the Ubuntu Developers Reference
[03:18] <jsgotangco> oohh north america wakes up
[03:18] <LaserJock> dholbach: I think he is very busy with other thing, which is understandable
[03:18] <dholbach> LaserJock: Yeah, because he's quite busy.
[03:19] <dholbach> There's indubitably lots of pioneer work to do.
[03:19] <jsgotangco> dholbach, someone who knows has to review it at least...it doesn't take that much to read over the doc imo
[03:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: but I sent an email out to -motu asking for feedback and didn't get a single reply :( But I understand that people are busy and many aren't very interested in docs
[03:19] <jsgotangco> its not that much either
[03:20] <dholbach> LaserJock: I'm truely sorry for that.
[03:20] <jsgotangco> dholbach, i tried it out a few weeks ago before the holidays and it didn't work well with me, zakame reviewed some and made wiki changes and that's it
[03:20] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: what did you try out?
[03:20] <dholbach> LaserJock: I'm very very busy myself, but send me the doc as a mail or the link to it and I'll try my best.
[03:20] <jsgotangco> LaserJock, himmm don't remember..i can do it again
[03:21] <jsgotangco> i can do an rpm but a deb escapes me really
[03:21] <LaserJock> well, I am starting from scratch so the packaging guide at doc.ubuntu.com will be replaced
[03:21] <jsgotangco> i tried the one in svn
[03:21] <LaserJock> yeah, that would be the one
[03:22] <LaserJock> I (and theCore) are working on a total rewrite 
[03:22] <jsgotangco> i can do a grammar/structure review if needed
[03:22] <LaserJock> ok, thanks for the offer
[03:23] <jsgotangco> (i should also make a review of the styleguide)
[03:24] <LaserJock> dholbach: don't feel too bad, if people don't have the time they don't have the time. I just feel uneasy about me doing this by myself when I'm still pretty new to packaging.
[03:24] <dholbach> absolutely. I understand.
[03:24] <dholbach> Docs are terribly important, and I'd love to see them in good shape.
[03:25] <dholbach> Because that's what a lot of new MOTUs are complaining about.
[03:25] <dholbach> So I'll try to get to it asap.
[03:25] <jjesse> doh is it that time already
[03:25] <LaserJock> dholbach: well, I don't have anything worth looking at right now, I will email you when I do, OK?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> dholbach, interestingly enough, sabdfl told me before he wanted to do a set of development docs...but that's understandable he's a busy guy, but there's a need for such
[03:26] <dholbach> LaserJock: Excellent, thanks.
[03:26] <dholbach> dholbach: maybe he intended to let Diziet do it?
[03:26] <jsgotangco> dholbach, in a commercial pov, it makes sense in creating a brand identity in my opinion
[03:27] <dholbach> jsgotangco: concerning the MOTU?
[03:27] <jsgotangco> dholbach, no development docs in general
[03:28] <dholbach> jsgotangco: Could you elaborate? I don't quite understand.
[03:28] <LaserJock> well, if all goes well this Ubuntu Packaging Guide will really rock I think. Most of the info about packaging .debs is scattered about the web
[03:31] <jsgotangco> how do i explain it fully
[03:31] <jsgotangco> hmm
[03:32] <jsgotangco> well ok let's just do this one more time and slowly
[03:32] <jsgotangco> we'd like a packaging guide in time for release
[03:33] <dholbach> yeah
[03:33] <jsgotangco> at the moment, it deseperately needs peer review 
[03:33] <jsgotangco> because without review, edits won't happen
[03:33] <dholbach> yes
[03:34] <jsgotangco> i reviewed the doc before the holidays but i find it terse...
[03:34] <jsgotangco> ok terse is a wrong word
[03:37] <LaserJock> well for now you guys could review the outline at w.u.c/UbuntuPackagingGuide if you wanted to
[03:37] <jsgotangco> what i can do is soften the doc when it gets reviewed technically
[03:37] <jsgotangco> checking
[03:39] <dholbach> I have a visitor here over the weekend, so I daresay I won't find the time, but please send me a mail and I'll try to get to it ASAP, once I've done, I'll mail the rest of the guys, tell them that I was a good boy everybody should get to it quickly or i'll tell them that they are the reason that MOTU doesn't scale enough - how does that sound?
[03:39] <LaserJock> dholbach: lol, ok
[03:39] <jsgotangco> sure
[03:40] <dholbach> ok :)
[03:40] <jsgotangco> come to think of it
[03:40] <jsgotangco> your visitor can help
[03:40] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:40] <jsgotangco> joke
[03:40] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: depends on the visitor ;-)
[03:40] <jsgotangco> the close to dholbach the better
[03:40] <dholbach> It's a she, so I daresay we'll find more interesting things to do.
[03:40] <jsgotangco> s/close/closer
[03:41] <jsgotangco> we need dholbach to focus on more important stuff, say like us...
[03:41] <LaserJock> dholbach: more interesting than Ubuntu, come on, you can't be serious ;p
[03:41] <jsgotangco> or else we'll spam his mailbox with wiki edits
[03:41] <dholbach> :)
[03:41] <dholbach> you guys rock!
[03:42] <jsgotangco> flattery will get you nowhere!
[03:42] <LaserJock> well, I think my wife might be starting to hate Ubuntu as much as any Gentooist out there ;-)
[03:42] <LaserJock> "all you do is talk to the Ubuntu guys"
[03:43] <jsgotangco> ok let's just adjourn this and move it to the 27th at 22UTC
[03:43] <LaserJock> jsgotangco: yes sir
[03:43] <jsgotangco> we'll let dholbach enjoy the weekend for now
[03:43] <Nafallo> LaserJock: tell her you are one of them then? and that she is doing the same every time she talks to you <g> :-)
[03:44] <dholbach> :)
[03:44] <LaserJock> Nafallo: yeah, that will get me brownie points for sure ;-)
[03:45] <jsgotangco>  Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/  | 27 Jan 22:00 UTC: Documentation Team Meeting  | 17 Jan 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 19 Jan 14:00 UTC: Dapper Development Status | 24 Jan 21:00 UTC:  Community Council
[03:45] <jsgotangco> acgghhh
[04:09] <MrRio> missed it .. :P