| siretart | rbelem: bsd and mit sound fine to me | 12:03 |
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| siretart | gn8 folks | 12:03 |
| tseng | mit is the loosest ive read | 12:04 |
| rbelem | g'night siretart and thanks for you help ;-) | 12:04 |
| rbelem | tseng: is mit closer to 'do whatever you want'? | 12:05 |
| tseng | yes | 12:05 |
| rbelem | hum... nice! | 12:05 |
| rbelem | tseng: can i put these 3 licenses in debian/copyright? | 12:07 |
| tseng | hrm why all 3 | 12:07 |
| \sh | good night gentlemen... | 12:08 |
| rbelem | there are many files. many with gpl and lgpl and just one with "do whatever you want" | 12:08 |
| tseng | hm yeah | 12:08 |
| tseng | if those files become mit you can put the three in copyright | 12:08 |
| rbelem | nice... like this? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7036 | 12:09 |
| tseng | sure | 12:09 |
| tseng | the format isnt that strict as long as you have all the valid info | 12:10 |
| tseng | nothing to sweat over | 12:10 |
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| rbelem | tseng: nice ;-) | 12:11 |
| rbelem | thanks so much tseng ;-) | 12:12 |
| tseng | yep | 12:12 |
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| tseng | rbelem: esp if the files dont have proper headings | 12:12 |
| tseng | rbelem: you may want to list files under either license | 12:13 |
| tseng | respectively | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: it isn't nice to kill | 12:13 |
| rbelem | tseng: there are many files without headers :/ | 12:14 |
| tseng | yeah thats not good news | 12:14 |
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| rbelem | tseng: I have ask then to put headers in all files | 12:15 |
| tseng | does the COPYING file reference what part is what | 12:15 |
| tseng | ambiguity is pretty useless | 12:15 |
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| rbelem | there is not COPYING :/ | 12:15 |
| rbelem | tseng: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1484 | 12:15 |
| rbelem | i just uploaded, but need many changes | 12:16 |
| Kyral | gah | 12:16 |
| punkrockguy318 | Hello! How can I become a motu? I'm an experianced UNIX user with knowledge in C, Python, Bash, and BASIC. I've done a lot of packaging for Arch Linux, and a little debian packaging. Where do I start? I actually have a package I've made that I would like to contribute but I don't know what to do. | 12:16 |
| Kyral | I keep getting smtp "Space Shortage" | 12:16 |
| rbelem | punkrockguy318: wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUDocumentationDraft | 12:17 |
| chninkel | Kyral: what is your problem ? | 12:18 |
| Kyral | chninkel: I have exim4 setup to email to GMail | 12:19 |
| lamont | Kyral: and is it a _large_ file? | 12:19 |
| Kyral | the email? | 12:19 |
| rbelem | punkrockguy318: sounds nice? | 12:19 |
| Kyral | its just mailing list stuff | 12:20 |
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| chninkel | Kyral: you set up smtp auth with exim ? | 12:20 |
| punkrockguy318 | rbelem: yes | 12:21 |
| chninkel | Kyral: with the smarthost I mean | 12:21 |
| Kyral | chninkel: yah | 12:21 |
| Kyral | it sends fine.. | 12:21 |
| rbelem | punkrockguy318: cool ;-) | 12:21 |
| Kyral | but lemme pastebin the fetchmail stuff | 12:21 |
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| punkrockguy318 | i think i'd be interesting in contributing more to ubuntu then just bug reports/mailing list opinions and the ocassional patch | 12:22 |
| Kyral | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7039 | 12:23 |
| lucas | gnight | 12:24 |
| chninkel | Kyral: what do you have in /var/log/exim4/mainlog ? | 12:24 |
| chninkel | good night lucas | 12:25 |
| lucas | punkrockguy318: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | 12:25 |
| lucas | (better entry point) | 12:25 |
| LaserJock | wow, the LP teams converstation is hard to follow ;-) | 12:26 |
| Kyral | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7040 | 12:26 |
| chninkel | Kyral: ?? Didn't you launched exim twice ? or as an unprivileged user ? | 12:27 |
| Kyral | maybe | 12:28 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:28 |
| Kyral | I should reboot | 12:28 |
| Kyral | clear the system a bit | 12:28 |
| chninkel | Kyral: linux is not windows, you shouldn't have to reboot | 12:28 |
| Kyral | yah but just to make sure | 12:28 |
| Kyral | I have been putting daemons up and down like nuts | 12:29 |
| chninkel | Kyral: netstat -taupe | 12:29 |
| chninkel | Kyral: and find the process listening on smtp port (25) | 12:29 |
| Kyral | nothing is... | 12:30 |
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| Kyral | okay I had to sudo | 12:30 |
| Kyral | exim is | 12:30 |
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| Kyral | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7041 | 12:32 |
| LaserJock | darn, I wish I hadn't had to leave the meeting >:( | 12:33 |
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| Kyral | ooops | 12:34 |
| Kyral | I started exim as user | 12:34 |
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| Kyral | bbiab | 12:35 |
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| Kyral | okay that worked lol | 12:40 |
| === Kyral feels stupid now | ||
| Kyral | okay before I make another idiot mistake, should I start fetchmail as my user or using init.d? | 12:40 |
| lifeless | depends on how you have configured it | 12:41 |
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| Kyral | lets put it this way, I can run fetchmailconf as a user and the tests go fine :D | 12:42 |
| Kyral | I'll just throw it to the background... | 12:44 |
| phanatic | goodnite | 01:00 |
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| Kyral | ITP for EasyChem sent | 01:16 |
| LaserJock | good | 01:17 |
| Kyral | got fetchmail and exim going too | 01:18 |
| LaserJock | that's funny I got exim working to do my ITP too | 01:19 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:20 |
| Kyral | but I did it with Emacs | 01:20 |
| Kyral | now I'm trying to figure out how to filter all the email..like into folders lol | 01:20 |
| LaserJock | well, I have thunderbird for that | 01:21 |
| Kyral | lol | 01:21 |
| Kyral | I got tired of having to SSH -x when I wanted to check mail | 01:21 |
| Kyral | now I just C-a C-C in Screen :D | 01:21 |
| Kyral | and I don't know if it got sent lol | 01:25 |
| Kyral | Emacs said it did | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | well, now you get to wait, it took a long time to get a response from BTS | 01:25 |
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| Kyral | meh | 01:25 |
| Kyral | I need to know how to turn off the headers for Mutt | 01:26 |
| womble | Kyral: Farting in bed always does it for me | 01:27 |
| crimsun_ | 'h' | 01:27 |
| Kyral | .. | 01:27 |
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| ajmitch | Kyral: and if that's not good enough, you can tell mutt what headers to ignore by default | 01:34 |
| === ajmitch has about 15 header items that are ignored in ~/.mutt/muttrc | ||
| LaserJock | apple.just started shipping iMacs with an Intel Core Duo chip, anybody know what that is all about? is it PPC? | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | I don't think it is, but what is it then? | 01:38 |
| jamessan | nope. you can tri-boot OS X, Linux, Windows | 01:38 |
| LaserJock | so what is the arch ia64? | 01:39 |
| jamessan | ia32, afaik. this one isn't 64-bit | 01:39 |
| jamessan | just dual core | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | oh | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | well sweet | 01:39 |
| psusi | you just answered your own question... Intel != PPC ;) | 01:39 |
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| jamessan | I'm surprised you hadn't heard about them making this decision months ago | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm glad I waited a couple days to submitt the PO | 01:40 |
| Kyral | mutt is nice though | 01:40 |
| Kyral | quick and efficient | 01:40 |
| Kyral | and I got the email back from BTS | 01:40 |
| psusi | ia64 = Intel's Itanium processor | 01:40 |
| LaserJock | jamessan: I heard about the decision I just thought it was in a year or so | 01:40 |
| jamessan | ah | 01:41 |
| LaserJock | They say it is 2-3 faster than the G5s they were shipping | 01:41 |
| raphink | that's what they say | 01:42 |
| jamessan | too bad they didn't go with AMD. AMD's dual core chips are much faster than Intel's | 01:42 |
| raphink | when they released the G5 they said it was much faster yet it was shown the statistics were not exact | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | so if I were to install Ubuntu what would I install, the i386 cd? | 01:42 |
| raphink | not that I don't like macs, I do ;) | 01:42 |
| lifeless | if you have an ix86 yes | 01:42 |
| raphink | lifeless: the question in on intel macs | 01:43 |
| raphink | I guess | 01:43 |
| psusi | I don't think it will just work... it's using an intel chip, but I think the mac bios still boots differently | 01:43 |
| raphink | s/in/is/ | 01:43 |
| lifeless | raphink: oh, in which case dont both | 01:43 |
| lifeless | *bother* | 01:43 |
| lifeless | unless you are ready to write an x1600 driver | 01:43 |
| psusi | I've seen a few messages going around talking about a special lilo required to boot from the mac bios | 01:43 |
| raphink | LaserJock: did you read the thread on ubuntu-dev ML ? | 01:43 |
| jamessan | it's not actually a bios, iirc. something called EMI | 01:43 |
| raphink | psusi: yes, elilo | 01:43 |
| raphink | EFI | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | raphink: about what? | 01:44 |
| jamessan | ah, EFI | 01:44 |
| raphink | about that LaserJock ;) | 01:44 |
| psusi | I believe that is just what they call the different partition arrangement and how the bios boots it | 01:44 |
| raphink | Plans for Ubuntu on new Intel Macs? | 01:44 |
| raphink | thats' in ubuntu-devel | 01:44 |
| raphink | sent yesterday | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | oh | 01:44 |
| raphink | LaserJock: http://archives.free.net.ph/thread/20060112.193136.f8f7dc00.en.html | 01:45 |
| raphink | there | 01:45 |
| Kyral | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=347849 | 01:45 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 347849: "easychem -- Draw high-quality molecules and chemical 2D formulas" Package: ITP, Severity: wishlist, Maintainer: wnpp@debian.org</a http://bugs.debian.org/347849 | 01:45 |
| raphink | ;) | 01:45 |
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| ajmitch | sigh, so many zope merges to get through this week | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | so many debian bugs to file | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | 215 open merge bugs, 1 week till UVF | 01:46 |
| ajmitch | we're in for a fun week alright | 01:46 |
| raphink | :s | 01:46 |
| raphink | yes | 01:46 |
| === raphink won't be there this week | ||
| === Kyral grumbles about the MuttWiki being frozen | ||
| === ajmitch wonders what he should do with the 2 zope packages removed from unstable & dapper :) | ||
| === raphink will try to get ubuntu computers around and an internet acess to work | ||
| ajmitch | since one of them still has users, at least | 01:47 |
| raphink | :s | 01:47 |
| raphink | what is zope? | 01:47 |
| LaserJock | I think that we should go through see what merge bugs should be marked as fixed | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | web application server | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | a rather major python work :) | 01:48 |
| raphink | ok | 01:48 |
| raphink | LaserJock: +1 | 01:48 |
| raphink | LaserJock: did you read the url I sent you? | 01:48 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I just got that in my last ubuntu-devel digest | 01:48 |
| raphink | ajmitch: what is wrong with it ? | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | raphink: eh? | 01:48 |
| raphink | hehe | 01:48 |
| raphink | ajmitch: 2 zope packages removed from unstable & dapper <--- why were they removed? | 01:49 |
| Kyral | Now that the ITP is filed should I file a RFS? | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | because they were orphaned & unmaintained? | 01:49 |
| LaserJock | maybe I will have to be a guinea pig for this ubuntu on intel macs thing | 01:50 |
| raphink | hmm that's a reason to remove them from Debian ajmitch | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: if you have a package ready to go | 01:50 |
| raphink | but is it a reason to remove them from ubuntu? | 01:50 |
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| ajmitch | raphink: I am aware of that :P | 01:50 |
| raphink | ;) | 01:50 |
| Kyral | LaserJock: I should run a test in my SidPbuilder first... | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | there are 72 zope packages in universe sources | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | wow | 01:50 |
| raphink | ouch | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | 29 on my list to merge | 01:50 |
| LaserJock | anbody on the MOTURuby team here? | 01:51 |
| raphink | LaserJock: you want to buy a new mac? | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | I am buying 2 for the lab | 01:51 |
| raphink | nice | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | although I have 39 zope merge bugs open | 01:51 |
| raphink | they're a bit expensive for me | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | I was going to send the PO today | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | raphink: that is what government money is fore | 01:51 |
| raphink | otherwise mabye I'd go for a new mac laptop | 01:51 |
| raphink | LaserJock: hehe | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | which indicates that a few have been done somehow, whether by being removed or not | 01:51 |
| raphink | I'd like to be sure it can boot on ubuntu though :s | 01:52 |
| LaserJock | well, I'm going to take my Ubuntu box home so I will be able to ssh to it at least | 01:52 |
| raphink | these look nice http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/francestore.woa/91501/wo/8U2ippnIOxgu2uQGK4z1kieujyh/0.SLID?nclm=MacBook&mco=32B42242 | 01:52 |
| Kyral | I <3 SSH | 01:52 |
| raphink | :) | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | looks like another zope package to sync | 01:53 |
| psusi | ahhh, nice... spinning down my hard disks DOES make it quieter in here | 01:53 |
| === ajmitch throws it on the pile | ||
| Kyral | lol | 01:53 |
| psusi | now if only I could get my case fans under the control of the OS | 01:53 |
| Kyral | I cannot sleep without my case fans doing :D | 01:53 |
| psusi | the CPU fan is spun down but not the case fans | 01:53 |
| raphink | Kyral: I got used to it | 01:54 |
| raphink | my comp is VERY noisy | 01:54 |
| raphink | but you get used to it realy ;) | 01:54 |
| === ajmitch is very very glad that most of these zope merges are in fact syncs | ||
| psusi | hehe... I used to leave my old computer on all the time, had dual 10,000 rpm first generation scsi seagate cheetahs | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | we've got an iMac in the lab that is very noisy sometimes | 01:54 |
| psusi | my friends came over one day and said what the fuck is that jet engine sound? | 01:54 |
| raphink | ajmitch: :D :D | 01:54 |
| LaserJock | It then overheats and shuts down | 01:54 |
| raphink | ajmitch: you still need to get elmo ;) | 01:55 |
| psusi | I didn't even notice because I was so used to it, but one of the drives had bad bearings and made a LOT of noise | 01:55 |
| === psusi wonders WTF woke up his disks | ||
| psusi | back to sleep you bastards! | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | raphink: so? | 01:55 |
| raphink | hmm so nothing;) | 01:55 |
| psusi | ahh, must have been thunderbird... it must be sync()ing... | 01:55 |
| raphink | I did several syncs lately | 01:55 |
| === psusi slaps thunderbird silly | ||
| raphink | assigned the bug to motureviewers | 01:56 |
| raphink | tried to ping elmo | 01:56 |
| raphink | and they are still waiting :s | 01:56 |
| raphink | maybe I should ask a MOTU to ping elmo for me | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | elmo is only meant to pay attention to MOTUs | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | not random others | 01:56 |
| raphink | oh ok | 01:56 |
| raphink | ajmitch: then could you have his attention on 3 syncs please? | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | maybe | 01:57 |
| raphink | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6663 | 01:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6663: "freeciv: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: freeciv (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6663 | 01:57 |
| raphink | https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6664 | 01:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6664: "nonfree (Ubuntu) - unrar-nonfree: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: unrar-nonfree (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6664 | 01:57 |
| raphink | and https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/6682 | 01:57 |
| bmonty | elmo will do syncs for non-MOTUs if he knows who you are. | 01:57 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6682: "eagle: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: eagle (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: Fix Committed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6682 | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: hi! | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | raphink: I said maybe | 01:57 |
| Kyral | LJ when you submitted Plotdrop did you build with the Ubuntu Revision? | 01:57 |
| bmonty | hey LaserJock | 01:57 |
| raphink | bmonty: ok | 01:57 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: no, I made an unstable package because I needed to fix something anyway | 01:58 |
| raphink | ajmitch: I know you said maybe, but I still send the urls | 01:58 |
| Kyral | okay | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: how's the little guy? | 01:58 |
| raphink | but I'm going to be right now and it's not a maybe | 01:58 |
| bmonty | pretty good from what I hear, but I haven't seen him in a week :( | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | bmonty: oh yeah, last I saw you were doing merges in the airport | 01:59 |
| bmonty | yup :) | 01:59 |
| bmonty | I'm going home tomorrow though | 01:59 |
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| psusi | hrm... what besides fsync and fdatasync can cause dirty buffers to be flushed? | 02:00 |
| === bmonty hopes the new thunderbird gets packaged soon | ||
| === psusi too | ||
| === ajmitch is collecting a good pile of packages to sync | ||
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| ajmitch | all of my zope merges belong to only 3 DDs | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | wonderful | 02:03 |
| tseng | woo | 02:03 |
| tseng | good afternoon new zealand | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | hello tseng | 02:03 |
| tseng | so mjg59 talked me out of a macbook | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | nice | 02:05 |
| tseng | his last post says the video is highly unlikely to work | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | x1600 | 02:06 |
| LaserJock | yeah, could one use vesa or something? | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | opps, should have read farther | 02:08 |
| LaserJock | darn, that really sucks | 02:09 |
| bmonty | I just realized I didn't eat lunch and that is why I'm so freaking hungry....be back in a few after I get some food | 02:09 |
| Kyral | yup | 02:09 |
| Kyral | EasyChem builds in Sid | 02:10 |
| LaserJock | so did you make a Debian versioned package? | 02:10 |
| Kyral | no | 02:10 |
| Kyral | this was just to check to see if it built ;P | 02:10 |
| psusi | anyone know what /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode does? | 02:12 |
| tseng | yes | 02:12 |
| psusi | care to 'splain me? ;) | 02:12 |
| Kyral | it monitors things about laptops, mainly battery state | 02:12 |
| tseng | combined with hdparm tuning it optimizes battery by queing up writes into big blocks | 02:12 |
| Kyral | that too | 02:13 |
| tseng | and leaves the disk spun down in the mean time | 02:13 |
| tseng | Kyral: it has nothing to do with monitoring anything | 02:13 |
| tseng | its a sysctl | 02:13 |
| Kyral | tseng: oh | 02:13 |
| Kyral | lol | 02:13 |
| Kyral | I must have been thinking Laptop-Mode | 02:13 |
| Kyral | the package | 02:13 |
| tseng | (which *monitors* what?) | 02:13 |
| psusi | hrm... maybe I shuld try enabling it... I tweeked dirty_expire_centisecs and dirty_writeback_centisecs to allow dirty buffers for a long time | 02:13 |
| psusi | but something is still spinning up the disks | 02:13 |
| Kyral | if the thing is plugged in ;P | 02:14 |
| tseng | Kyral: acpi-support does that | 02:14 |
| Kyral | oh | 02:14 |
| === Kyral feels stupid | ||
| tseng | acpi-support calls laptop-mode, blanks the screen, and various other things | 02:14 |
| psusi | let's see how long they stay spun down for now... | 02:14 |
| Kyral | LJ you think I should build a Debian Revision? | 02:15 |
| tseng | psusi: eh i have a feeling you put a 1 in laptop mode | 02:15 |
| psusi | damnit... they came back up | 02:15 |
| tseng | psusi: you should use the user space tools and read the manpage | 02:15 |
| psusi | tseng, yea, I just did | 02:15 |
| tseng | hdparm is half the battle | 02:15 |
| psusi | I got hdparm to spin them down with -y... but they come back up after 30-60 seconds | 02:15 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: ask ajmitch, but I would think so | 02:17 |
| LaserJock | so I wonder if it would be possible to set up a chroot or pbuilder in OSX | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: yes, you must | 02:18 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: the package has to have unstable or experimental as distribution | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | and a proper debian version number for a good reason | 02:19 |
| Kyral | so -1 ;P | 02:19 |
| psusi | aha, reading this script is splaining some things better | 02:19 |
| ajmitch | what's the ubuntu version? | 02:20 |
| Kyral | 0ubuntu1 | 02:20 |
| ajmitch | then yes, -1 | 02:20 |
| === psusi thinks it is syslog that is syncing | ||
| psusi | hehe... this is like a game of clue | 02:21 |
| ajmitch | yay, 25 packages to sync out of the 29 I had on my list | 02:21 |
| === sistpoty should have never tried to fix mythplugins | ||
| LaserJock | so are we using the revu.tauware.de list for merges/sync anymore? | 02:22 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: yes, I update them every 2-3 days | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes, we are | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I've got packaged removed in dapper & unstable on that list | 02:22 |
| ajmitch | and I've got 10 more zope merges than my script tells me I should ;) | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | I'll track down which ones they are in a minute | 02:23 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: it cannot handle removals... | 02:23 |
| tseng | that post is months old | 02:23 |
| tseng | er | 02:23 |
| LaserJock | so there are only 19 pacakges left to sync/merge? | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: hah! | 02:23 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: see the number of accepted packages | 02:24 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that is what I don't understand | 02:24 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: left to sync/merge without anybody caring for it yet ;) | 02:24 |
| psusi | hrm... I think I need to do some more hacking on my fixed acpi dsdt to get the case fan to spin down now... hehe | 02:24 |
| === ajmitch takes pydb | ||
| LaserJock | why is accepted so large? I was doing each one as I went, maybe other's aren't? | 02:24 |
| sistpoty | hm... crimsuns list is huge | 02:25 |
| LaserJock | well, I think we might want to clean up accepted | 02:26 |
| sistpoty | would be a good idea... | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | I think there are quite a few merge bugs not closed | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | sure | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | nearly all of mine that I've done are closed | 02:26 |
| ajmitch | I only have 3 non-zope merges on that lsit | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | 2 of which are merged, the other one was FTBFS | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | so what is the best/easiest way of determining if a merge bug should be closed | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | seeing if the package is built on all archs, and the merge is done | 02:30 |
| sistpoty | well, not all arches... ia64 has quite some probs right now | 02:30 |
| sistpoty | po-debconf *cough* | 02:31 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I am looking a zsi and the bug report status has "Fix released" so isn't that closed? | 02:31 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: if it's fix commited, just tell me or s.o. with tiber access to update it | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | maybe some evil malone changes have done something as well | 02:32 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: you bet... I only figured that 2 days ago (and adjusted the mail-parser) | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: yeah.. | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | ok, got 10 zope-* merge bugs that are packages removed from unstable & dapper | 02:34 |
| ajmitch | yay for diff & madison-lite | 02:34 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: want to delete them yourselves, or should I do it? | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | you can | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | ~ajmitch/zope-not-on-list | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | on tiber | 02:35 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: and then I've only got 4 remaining zope packages that actually need merging ;) | 02:36 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: ok, will be gone in a minute ;) | 02:36 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 02:36 |
| sistpoty | np... done | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, so I will try to go through the accepted list and look for stuff that is already "fixed" | 02:38 |
| === ajmitch quickly merges pydb | ||
| sistpoty | LaserJock++ | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: nautilus-python is 'fixed', but I want to get the version from experimental done instead | 02:38 |
| LaserJock | k | 02:39 |
| Kyral | hmm | 02:39 |
| Kyral | in Mutt | 02:39 |
| Kyral | when I read something | 02:39 |
| Kyral | its transferred from /var/mail to $mbox? | 02:39 |
| LaserJock | ok, so what about Malone bug #6643 | 02:40 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 6643: "xzoom: merge new debian version" Fix req. for: xzoom (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Confirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/6643 | 02:40 |
| crimsun_ | LaserJock: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004538.html | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | crimsun_: so it should be "fix released", correct? | 02:41 |
| crimsun_ | I haven't checked ia64, but it builds on our 3 release arches, yes. | 02:42 |
| LaserJock | ia64 is failed | 02:43 |
| ajmitch | we can ignore ia64 for now | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | so I am changing status to "fix released" | 02:43 |
| crimsun_ | it ftbfs on ia64 due to issues unrelated to xzoom | 02:44 |
| crimsun_ | debhelper: Depends: po-debconf but it is not going to be installed | 02:44 |
| crimsun_ | E: Broken packages | 02:44 |
| sistpoty | hm... libghemical ftbfs on ia64 but due to http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=17224. | 02:45 |
| Ubugtu | Error: Unknown bugtracker | 02:45 |
| sistpoty | but I guess I'll mark that fixed as well | 02:45 |
| LaserJock | not sure, azeem was talking to upstream about that I thought | 02:45 |
| Amaranth | Ubugtu needs to be less spammy | 02:45 |
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| sistpoty | LaserJock: oh, k. I will mark it as fixed on the list, but leave the bug from me open then | 02:46 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: down to 203 accepted! :) | 02:47 |
| sistpoty | wohoo | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | I'll send off this list of syncs to elmo somehow | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | might be best to email | 02:47 |
| crimsun_ | yes, it's better to e-mail | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | 25 at once will be a lot to type out on irc | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: actually I can't rember what azeem said specifically he might have said that about another ghemical bug | 02:49 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: don't remember that as well... but the bug is still there, so you have an excuse to break uvf for bug-fixing ;) | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | lol | 02:51 |
| LaserJock | ok for xwit there are two different merge bugs filed | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that can happen | 02:52 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: either 2 people at once, or it needed merged twice | 02:53 |
| sistpoty | seems more like needed merge twice | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | like pydb just did | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | and qemu might | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | since qemu only built on i386, I think | 02:53 |
| ajmitch | (debian's fault :) ) | 02:54 |
| sistpoty | file a bug :P | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | it's known in debian, I meant | 02:54 |
| LaserJock | of course it's always debian's fault ;-) | 02:54 |
| psusi | ohh, badass... lm-profiler... how does THAT work?! | 02:54 |
| ajmitch | once these syncs are through I'll have very few merge bugs still open ;) | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | crimsun_: are most of yours still open ? | 02:56 |
| psusi | hrm.... blast... reiserfs kernel thread is what keeps syncing.... guess I'll have to start looking at that beast... | 02:56 |
| crimsun_ | ajmitch: probably, I've been way too tired to close them. I'll do that tonight when I get off work. | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | crimsun_: ok, so they're done but not closed? that's not too bad :) | 02:57 |
| crimsun_ | right, done but not closed | 02:57 |
| ajmitch | excellent | 02:57 |
| LaserJock | so given-back is not good in buildLogs, right? | 02:57 |
| sistpoty | oh, dholbach is listed for eclipse... but not a merge bug | 02:57 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: no | 02:58 |
| sistpoty | is eclipse handled separately in ubuntu, or a normal merge? | 02:58 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| LaserJock | so xtalk has i386 succesful and amd64 given back, so should I halfway close it? | 02:59 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: what do you mean with "halfway"? | 02:59 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: amd64 is rc, so this shouldn't be closed | 02:59 |
| LaserJock | well, I was mostly kidding | 02:59 |
| sistpoty | fix halfway commited :) | 03:00 |
| LaserJock | but it would be kinda nice to be able to track arch's better | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | I think I might whip up something quick for the lists | 03:00 |
| ajmitch | have something that shows the build status of each package per arch | 03:01 |
| sistpoty | cool | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | it shouldn't be hard, we know the version number of each package | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | just parse filenames | 03:01 |
| LaserJock | crimsun_: xsidplay was a sync, correct? | 03:02 |
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| crimsun_ | LaserJock: xsidplay | 1.6.5.2-2 | http://archive.ubuntu.com dapper/universe Sources | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | k, I'll close the bug | 03:05 |
| LaserJock | btw, how did you get that output | 03:06 |
| crimsun_ | ``apt-cache madison xsidplay'' | 03:06 |
| LaserJock | ah, thanks. I've been trying to figure out where that comes from for a few days | 03:07 |
| Kyral | okay time to file an RFS for EasyChem | 03:08 |
| psusi | any amd64 users care to test/comment on my fixed defrag package up on revu? | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: good luck | 03:09 |
| Kyral | ty | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: azeem should sponsor you | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | you might ask him directly before you email debian-mentors | 03:10 |
| === ajmitch wonders why people speak of 'filing' an RFS | ||
| Kyral | dunno | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | cause you file ITPs | 03:10 |
| Kyral | sending? | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: sure, but that's putting them in a BTS | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | well, sure but to us beginners sometimes the acronyms got all mixed up ;-) | 03:12 |
| ajmitch | kids these days.. | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | now if it was MOTUItp or UniverseRFS I would have it down ;p | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | you just have to have the right prefix | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | do we care about sparc and hppa failures? | 03:14 |
| ajmitch | not really | 03:15 |
| ajmitch | noone actually uses them :) | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | hmm, this is odd, according to the buildLogs xonix has been merged sinc March 2005 for everything but sparc and hppa | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | 1.4-21 vs 1.4-21.1 | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xonix/1.4-21.1ubuntu1/ | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | doh | 03:18 |
| lamont | universe/games/xonix_1.4-21.1ubuntu1: Installed by buildd-hppa+bld-3 [optional:uncompiled] | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | apache sorts differently | 03:19 |
| lamont | ajmitch: if someone wants to provide me a hack to make it sort better.... :-) | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | evening lamont :) | 03:19 |
| sistpoty | hi lamont | 03:19 |
| lamont | howdy. | 03:19 |
| lamont | about to head home, actually | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | working late tonight? | 03:20 |
| sistpoty | lamont: time left to clear dep-wait from boson-base? | 03:20 |
| lamont | all things are relative... | 03:20 |
| sistpoty | he, thx :) | 03:21 |
| lamont | sistpoty: done | 03:21 |
| sistpoty | thx lamont | 03:21 |
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| Kyral | LJ you want me to CC the ubuntu science list? | 03:21 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: for you RFS? | 03:22 |
| Kyral | yah | 03:22 |
| LaserJock | umm, why don't you just email azeem and ask him to take a look at it | 03:22 |
| lamont | sistpoty: actually, I just pretended that automake1.6 was available everywhere... | 03:22 |
| Kyral | lol | 03:22 |
| Kyral | is azeem here? | 03:23 |
| LaserJock | not presently | 03:23 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | I'll just send it off | 03:23 |
| sistpoty | lamont: it doesn't b-d on automake1.6 any longer (if I did it right) | 03:23 |
| lamont | right | 03:23 |
| lamont | but anything else that b-d: automake1.6, well, it'll get retried too | 03:24 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: he offered to sponsor chemistry related packages in debian-science(and ubuntu-science) ML | 03:24 |
| sistpoty | oh, cool | 03:24 |
| Kyral | oh lol | 03:24 |
| lamont | universe/games/boson-base_0.11-0ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd-hppa+bld-4 [optional:uncompiled] | 03:24 |
| lamont | Dependencies: xlibmesa-gl-dev | 03:24 |
| lamont | what about that one? | 03:24 |
| === lamont bets he can clear that too | ||
| sistpoty | would be good, but I guess I should fix it first? | 03:24 |
| lamont | nah - that's hppa, I figure | 03:25 |
| lamont | unless it has that build-dep and shouldn't... | 03:25 |
| sistpoty | it should actually :) | 03:25 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: lol, that was a very informative email you just sent debian-mentors ;p | 03:25 |
| Kyral | haha | 03:26 |
| Kyral | I am quite to the point | 03:26 |
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| Kyral | unless Mutt screwed up and its blank :D | 03:26 |
| LaserJock | well, since DDs are psychic you should be ok ;-) | 03:26 |
| Kyral | Fetchmail hasn't hit another cycle lol | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | yes, wonderfully informative | 03:26 |
| Kyral | what is it lol | 03:27 |
| Kyral | it hasn't come back to me | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | I'd be jumping up & down to sponsor this package | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | 'Greetings' | 03:27 |
| Kyral | thats it? | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | but of course it's a gpg-signed greetings | 03:27 |
| === Kyral stabs mutt | ||
| Kyral | WTFmate? | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | that, and a gpg sig | 03:27 |
| Kyral | mutt broke lol | 03:27 |
| ajmitch | PEBKAC | 03:27 |
| Kyral | yah yah | 03:28 |
| Kyral | I feel like an idiot | 03:28 |
| Kyral | okay okay I fix | 03:28 |
| Kyral | this time using Evolution | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | hmm, has anybody gotten any emails of me closing bugs? | 03:29 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | I haven't | 03:30 |
| minghua | LaserJock: I do | 03:30 |
| LaserJock | to universe-bugs@u.c ? | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | yes | 03:31 |
| LaserJock | well that's odd | 03:31 |
| ajmitch | why? | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | I didn't get any of them | 03:33 |
| Kyral | Better? | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | lol, http://raw-output.org/20060113/solutions | 03:34 |
| LaserJock | yeah, except you really didn't need to do that I don't think | 03:35 |
| Kyral | huh? | 03:35 |
| === ajmitch waits for mail to trickle in | ||
| LaserJock | like I said, you could have just emailed azeem | 03:35 |
| Kyral | Yah well lol | 03:35 |
| ajmitch | you didn't need to grab a shovel & start digging | 03:35 |
| Kyral | I knew that addy off the top of my head :D | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: I could have given you his addy | 03:36 |
| === Kyral shrugs | ||
| Kyral | I'm gonna get snackage | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | well, regardless it is good to get the RFS out there | 03:36 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: when did you send the "merge/sync compiled on all arches" email for pydb? | 03:37 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: about 2-3 minutes ago | 03:37 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I got that but nothing from me | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: mailman might be set not to send email from you, to you | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | bummer | 03:38 |
| LaserJock | I can see them on the archive though so at least I can see what I did | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 03:41 |
| ajmitch | I need to update my lpbugs.py obviously | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | why? | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | because it send an email saying it's fixed | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | launchpad rejects that now | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | The 'status' command expects any of the following arguments: | 03:42 |
| ajmitch | unconfirmed, needsinfo, rejected, confirmed, inprogress, fixcommitted, fixreleased | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | oh, yeah. that would be a problem | 03:42 |
| === ajmitch closes manually for now | ||
| LaserJock | does \sh's lpbugs.py work? or is that what you are using? | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | that's what I'm using | 03:43 |
| LaserJock | so will the revu merge update if the Assigned To is MOTU as well as MOTU Merge Team? | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | not sure | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | probably not | 03:48 |
| ajmitch | actually they both have bug mail going to the same place | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | so it'll depend on the email parser | 03:49 |
| LaserJock | I don't think they do | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | ah well | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | so should I reassign them or just fix them manually? | 03:51 |
| === ajmitch shrugs | ||
| ajmitch | I can probably close merges on tiber | 03:51 |
| psusi | I swear I just want to beat the everliving shit out of synaptic when I click upgrade and it goes... duh... ok, removing xxxxx | 03:51 |
| LaserJock | I can too, I just wondered if it was better to reassign them | 03:52 |
| psusi | WHY do you want to remove xxxx? sheesh... | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: ah, you have tiber account now? | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | got it the other day for MOTUScience but sistpoty showed me how to close bugs a little bit ago | 03:53 |
| minghua | I suppose the "upgrade" button in synaptic is actually the "dist-upgrade" command in apt/aptitude? | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: right, using update_status.py there | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | minghua: it's an option in synaptic | 03:54 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: right | 03:54 |
| minghua | ajmitch: I see. pusi: you probably want to tinker that option, then | 03:55 |
| psusi | I don't think it's doing a dist-upgrade | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | psusi: upgrade alone will not remove packages | 03:56 |
| sistpoty | ok, I'm off to bed... gn8 everyone | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | night sistpoty | 03:56 |
| psusi | it just decides to remove packages either bacuse they are obsolete and that was intended, or because the ones I said to upgrade depend on packages that conflict or things | 03:56 |
| LaserJock | cya sistpoty | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | psusi: which is what dist-upgrade is.. | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | unless you're marking some to install & then telling it to do it | 03:57 |
| psusi | hrm..... well, I mean half the time it is SUPPOSED to remove things... so it should... I don't want it not to... or it wouldn't let you upgrade | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | which is neither upgrade nor dist-upgrade | 03:57 |
| psusi | I just wish it would explain how it arrived at the conclusion that it should remove things... and let me tell it NO do not remove that one! | 03:57 |
| minghua | psusi: try aptitude :-) | 03:57 |
| psusi | it's whatever happens when you click upgrade | 03:57 |
| minghua | it tells you the reasons, and it lets you specify packages not to be removed | 03:58 |
| minghua | actually I think apt-get can do the latter too | 03:58 |
| psusi | aptitude does? | 03:59 |
| psusi | hrm... I like the gui though ;) | 03:59 |
| psusi | but I should try aptitude... heard it tracks deps and can remove unused deps... I don't see why all the apt tools don't do that... | 03:59 |
| minghua | because apt doesn't keep that information (installed as a dependency or not) in its database? | 04:01 |
| psusi | yea... I know... why doesn't it/ | 04:01 |
| psusi | heh | 04:01 |
| ajmitch | psusi: because you haven't written the code to do so | 04:01 |
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| psusi | hehe... I'm working on 12 other things right now ;) | 04:02 |
| ajmitch | and so are the apt maintainers | 04:02 |
| LaserJock | argghh, I keep renaming the stupid bugs | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: that's a silly thing to do | 04:03 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: it could also affect the merge pages | 04:03 |
| === ajmitch hasn't seen it crash & burn with a traceback yet | ||
| LaserJock | for some reason the search page and status page look alike to me and then I go to do a new bug search and end up renaming the package name | 04:04 |
| LaserJock | looks like it just reappered on the merge page, I can manually fix it | 04:05 |
| === ajmitch closes a few non-ajmitch merges | ||
| LaserJock | darn it, I hate it when I screw stuff up like that | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: are you using madison-lite, or looking at build logs? | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | build-logs and madison | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | madison-lite shows what archs a binary is built on | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | if you know the binary package name | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | ok | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache showsrc will show you binary packages | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | right | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | I should throw those 2 together | 04:10 |
| ajmitch | slowly getting down towards 190 or so assigned :) | 04:11 |
| === ajmitch should have 25 syncs to close once elmo processes them | ||
| LaserJock | hmm, I get "/usr/bin/madison-lite: can't open mirror directory './dists' " when I try to run it | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | on tiber/ | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | ? | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | no, on my local machine | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | it needs to be configured & the files put in place | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'll just use tiber | 04:14 |
| ajmitch | and an update script run every few hours :) | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | cool | 04:14 |
| LaserJock | oh wow, it has unstable and all the Ubuntu releases | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | we got it working nicely :) | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | i'll say | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | I'll have to fix it properly for experimental now | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | ok, fixing.. | 04:17 |
| === ajmitch waits for lists to update | ||
| ajmitch | this is taking awhile to update todat | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | s/todat/today/ | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | maybe you need to manually change it | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | I've had to do ~5 that way so far | 04:18 |
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| ajmitch | manually change what? | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | the status | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | or is that not what you are talking about | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | I was talking about madison-lite :) | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | ohh | 04:19 |
| LaserJock | sorry | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | but yes, I've had to do manual changes as well | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | at least the list is looking a bit better now :) | 04:21 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | I thought that we had more done but then I realized that I hadn't always remembed to close the bugs since I waited for the buildLogs | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | I've gone through a couple of times & closed mine that should have been closed | 04:23 |
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| LaserJock | so do you think I could assume that if a ubuntu2 version got through and there were two merge bugs that they both should be closed? | 04:25 |
| LaserJock | or should I just let crimsun handle that? | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | close them both | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | we'll go through all the open bugs sometime later, to do a proper cleanup | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | in case we miss some | 04:26 |
| LaserJock | k | 04:26 |
| === ajmitch wonders what triggers the MoM email parsing on tiber | ||
| LaserJock | parseMoMFile.py? | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | no, parseEMail.py | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | but I'm looking for what calls that | 04:28 |
| Kyral | hmm | 04:29 |
| Kyral | has anyone replied to my email? | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | ah, sistpoty's .forward | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: what email? | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: be thankful that my list stands at about 113 merges for main & universe, based solely on source package versions | 04:37 |
| LaserJock | wow, that's a lot | 04:38 |
| LaserJock | how many for main? | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: no idea | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | btw, xmakemol? | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | closed or not? | 04:38 |
| ajmitch | hm, not closed | 04:39 |
| ajmitch | but the bug points elsewhere at the moment | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | oh, crap | 04:39 |
| LaserJock | what? | 04:40 |
| LaserJock | that is one I (of 2) that I accidentally renamed | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | whoops ;) | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | I think it is ok now though | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | 178 | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty said that he would blame me for anything going wrong with revu since he gave me an account, I guess I might be earning that ;p | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | coming down slowly | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | haha | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | ok, so if it hasn't built on AMD64...? | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | don't close yet, move on | 04:42 |
| LaserJock | doh, it hadn't built on sid but it did on dapper, I wonder why? | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | no idea | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | dang it ajmitch, I was working on xdb | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | that's debian's problem :) | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | oh? | 04:43 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | you mean it hadn't built on sid amd64? | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | if so, it didn't matter at all | 04:44 |
| ajmitch | we only care about dapper :) | 04:44 |
| LaserJock | don't let any DDs hear that, oh wait, you are a DD :) | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | :P | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | yay, soqt is ftbfs on dapper | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | ok, I'm starting from the top of the list now, you keep taking all of mine | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | haha | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 04:46 |
| LaserJock | so amd64 we keep, ia64 we close? | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | hm? | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | ia64 is not a release arch, so I think we're fine ignoring it for now | 04:47 |
| LaserJock | so only i386 amd64 and ppc are release archs, correct? | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | yep | 04:49 |
| LaserJock | I wish Malone tracked the package version that the bug was reported against | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | it's amazing that it doesn't really | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | when you consider that this is meant to be for distributions to use | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | who works on Malone? | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | bradb & bjornt are the two I know of | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | doesn't seem like very many but I suppose they are canonical employees? | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:57 |
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| ajmitch | 165, making progress ;) | 05:08 |
| Kyral | can anyone reccommend a good appointment/calandar program? Preferably console based? | 05:09 |
| LaserJock | emacs | 05:10 |
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| Kyral | What mode | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | calendar | 05:11 |
| LaserJock | I don't know exactly | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | it is what my advisor uses | 05:12 |
| LaserJock | he uses emacs for virtually everything | 05:12 |
| Kyral | ah I see | 05:16 |
| ajmitch | 154.. | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | not bad, that's at least 60 down from earlier ;) | 05:17 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:18 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | the email parser needs a little work | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | I end up getting some assigned to me | 05:19 |
| ajmitch | and those are bugs I closed | 05:21 |
| LaserJock | how often is madison-lite updated? | 05:22 |
| ajmitch | on tiber? | 05:23 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | wait until I find the cron job :) | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | daily | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | though I updated it when I fixed it an hour or two ago | 05:24 |
| Kyral | I'm begining to get scared | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | why? | 05:25 |
| Kyral | and all that Emacs can do... | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | it's a full OS | 05:25 |
| LaserJock | for gnustep-back buildLogs said it built but madison-lite has just source | 05:25 |
| Kyral | haha | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: when was that? | 05:26 |
| LaserJock | 10th | 05:26 |
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| ajmitch | interesting | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | what's the binary name though? | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | gnustep-back0.10 | 0.10.2-1ubuntu1 | dapper | amd64, i386, powerpc | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | gnustep-back | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | no, that's the source name :) | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | madison-lite won't map source->binary | 05:28 |
| LaserJock | is what I got from apt-get showsrc gnustep-back | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: look in the Binary: field | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | gnustep-back | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | not here | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | Binary: gnustep-back-doc, gnustep-gpbs, gnustep-back-common, gnustep-back0.10 | 05:29 |
| LaserJock | apt-cache showsrc gnustep-back | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | oh, wait | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | that is for the previous version | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | how is apt-cache different between us | 05:31 |
| ajmitch | apt-cache might be showing 2 src records for you | 05:33 |
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| LaserJock | ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7052 | 05:35 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: apt-cache is showing me a much newer version here, which matches what is in dapper | 05:36 |
| LaserJock | and your on tiber too? | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | nope | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | ah, you're using apt-cache on tiber.. | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | no wonder | 05:37 |
| ajmitch | tiber runs breezy | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | yeah, ok. well at least I know what is going on | 05:37 |
| LaserJock | guess it makes sense that tiber wouldn't be running dapper :-) | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | :) | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | ok, I'm done up to r now :) | 05:38 |
| ajmitch | working up from the bottom | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | 142 remaining | 05:39 |
| crimsun | yes, apparently the 's's have ceased | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | crimsun lives! | 05:39 |
| crimsun | just returned from our LUG meeting (it's an hour drive) | 05:39 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: I hope you don't mind us closing all your bugs ;) | 05:39 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: oh not at all. I've redirected the mail to another folder anyhow. :) | 05:40 |
| ajmitch | good :) | 05:40 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, I sure hope I didn't close anything you wanted left open | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | some of your open bugs need revisited | 05:42 |
| ajmitch | quickplot is 0.8.6-1.1+b1 in unstable, which looks like a bin NMU | 05:43 |
| ajmitch | the source is the same, so I'll close the bug | 05:43 |
| ajmitch | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/11/msg00018.html for binNMU fun if anyone wants to read it :) | 05:44 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: puzzled by a few in which you renamed then reverted the source name, though | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: yeah, for some reason LP pages were confusing me | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | and I ended up typing in the name of the next bug search I wanted to do | 05:45 |
| LaserJock | and once you hit enter ... | 05:45 |
| crimsun | ah | 05:46 |
| LaserJock | but I'm sure if revu dies sistpoty will blame me :-) | 05:47 |
| minghua | Riddell: ping | 05:47 |
| ajmitch | very strange, I wonder why pygame is not autosyncing.. | 05:51 |
| ajmitch | blacklisted? | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I gotta go now, but I got through the i's . I didn't have enough strength to start k ;-) | 05:52 |
| ajmitch | alright ;) | 05:53 |
| ajmitch | I'm going through p at the moment, so I'll try & clean up the rest | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | cool | 05:54 |
| LaserJock | we got rid of close to 100 I think | 05:54 |
| ajmitch | :) | 05:55 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: thanks for helping me out an letting me work on it | 05:55 |
| ajmitch | it was good to have someone else doing it ;) | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | yes | 05:56 |
| LaserJock | goodnight MOTU world! | 05:57 |
| ajmitch | night LaserJock | 05:57 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, is there a reason azereus is not in ubuntu repos? | 06:03 |
| crimsun | at the time it didn't work with gcj; dunno if its status has changed | 06:04 |
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| Burgundavia | crimsun, can it not be stuffed into multiverse? | 06:06 |
| ajmitch | alright, I think I've managed to get through the whole list | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | down to 117 merges | 06:09 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, you have to finish 117 by UVF? | 06:09 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: the MOTUs do, yes | 06:10 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: because it's GPLed, it should be universe-ready if it works with gcj | 06:10 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, but even if it only works with sun java, we can treat multiverse like contrib and put it there | 06:10 |
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| ajmitch | Burgundavia: I can get another 29 off that list easily | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, it would prevent a lot of people from adding random repos just to get it | 06:11 |
| whiprush | hi guys | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | hey whiprush | 06:11 |
| ajmitch | what's up? | 06:11 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, great dialog | 06:12 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: are you an emacs guy? | 06:12 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: depends what you mean - I use it | 06:12 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: it's my second favorite one. :) | 06:12 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: afaik, if an app requires sun/ibm/blackdown jre/jdk, it can't enter even multiverse | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, and your first? | 06:12 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: crimsun: which app ? | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, damn | 06:12 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: I've been trudging through the debian bts and bugzirra, can you help me with some insight into this: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/247007327731 | 06:12 |
| crimsun | Burgundavia: though I may be incorrect regarding blackdown, since I think it's in multiverse | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, azereus | 06:12 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: oh, one sec | 06:12 |
| Burgundavia | crimsun, yes it is | 06:12 |
| crimsun | does azureus work with blackdown's jre? | 06:13 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: thanks. love that app, need java 1.5 runtime | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: I've seen that on my box, but only when displaying from a chroot into an nested x server | 06:13 |
| ajmitch | and it confused me then too | 06:14 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, yes. I am trying to keep the number of non-Ubuntu repos among our users down | 06:14 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiprush/8008240/ | 06:14 |
| whiprush | behold. | 06:14 |
| Burgundavia | 1.5 excludes blackdown | 06:14 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: yeah, it seems to be some rare thing, I find a few mentions on debian lists, but no reply. tsk. | 06:14 |
| Burgundavia | whiprush, that is brilliant | 06:15 |
| whiprush | ajmitch: thanks though | 06:15 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: I run one of those non-ubuntu repos. afaik only ibm and sun are 1.5, haven't tested an opensource java though | 06:15 |
| whiprush | Burgundavia: I showed it to mpt at UDU, I think he nearly had a heart attack | 06:15 |
| ajmitch | whiprush: awesome gconf dialog | 06:15 |
| crimsun | holy mother of ... | 06:16 |
| whiprush | the best part is "all further errors shown only on terminal." | 06:16 |
| whiprush | like "oh, thanks, how considerate of you ..." | 06:17 |
| crimsun | for great justice the terminal would be blank | 06:17 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, does your list include https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22291 | 06:17 |
| Ubugtu | Ubuntu bug 22291: "scribus: new changes from Debian require merging" Product: Ubuntu, Component: scribus, Severity: normal, Assigned to: debzilla@ubuntu.com, Status: NEW http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22291 | 06:17 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: seems kaffe is making some progess wrt azureus http://www.kaffe.org/pipermail/kaffe/2005-March/101885.html | 06:20 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, I am baffled by the free javas. How does kaffe compare to gcj? | 06:21 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: kaffe, gcj, and sablevm all seem to run java apps with various degrees of success. gcj goes to native code iirc, I usually use kaffe | 06:23 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, why do they all exist then? | 06:23 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: GPL, LGPL type reasons - most use gnu classpath so are rather compatible | 06:24 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, what is gnu classpath then? | 06:24 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: like libc but for java | 06:25 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: seems some of them target embedded systems too eg jamvm | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: our list includes nothing of main | 06:30 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: and scribus is main | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, how does any of this get us a drag and drop replacement for sun's java? | 06:31 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, who would I talk to about scribus so it doesn't just get dropped? | 06:31 |
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| Yagisan | Burgundavia: no. | 06:31 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: none is 1.5 complete | 06:31 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: someone who works on that stuff in main ;) | 06:32 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: I could do it, but I've never used scribus | 06:32 |
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| Burgundavia | Yagisan, what about project harmony? | 06:32 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: for most apps, most are drop-in compatible - not for azureus however | 06:32 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: never heard of it | 06:33 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, apache licensed java, based on gnu classpath | 06:33 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: do we have it packaged ? | 06:34 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, doesn't exist yet | 06:35 |
| Burgundavia | http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/200505.mbox/%3CCA4BEB82-3D84-457D-9531-1477DD749919@apache.org%3E | 06:35 |
| Kyral | goodnight MOTU | 06:50 |
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| LaserJock | so will lpbugs.py not work anymore with the LP status changes? | 07:01 |
| ajmitch | not without a little hacking | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: I got through the list, 117 remaining | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | sweet | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | 32 of which are mine | 07:02 |
| LaserJock | and I just saw a sync | 07:02 |
| ajmitch | so I expect to have it below 90 soon | 07:02 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: It's going really *really* slow on my amd64 box, but kaffe (breezy) seems to be loading azureus | 07:03 |
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| ajmitch | LaserJock: I see no syncs | 07:03 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: dumping a lot of java.lang.NullPointerException at the console though | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | could you ask elmo to sync aewm? | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: its on the new list | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | I sent him an email of my syncs only a couple of hours ago | 07:04 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: what do you think of me emailing all merge assignees on the list, warning them they have a week until UVF? | 07:05 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: I already asked elmo for a bunch of syncs; that was one of them | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: yes, and make sure that we know that MOTUWannabes need to get their merges reviewed | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | crimsun: oh, ok | 07:06 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes, that's one reason for cleaning up finished merges | 07:06 |
| LaserJock | just so I am clear, UVF means no new Debian versions correct? only -ubuntuX versions | 07:08 |
| ajmitch | no | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | it means no new upstream versions | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | where upstream = 1.2.3 | 07:09 |
| ajmitch | the automatic sync is turned off though | 07:09 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I thought upstream meant debian | 07:09 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: gcj failed with "GC Warning: Out of Memory! Returning NIL!" | 07:09 |
| Burgundavia | Yagisan, fun. I hate java | 07:10 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: do you read japanese? | 07:10 |
| Yagisan | Burgundavia: that was on my breezy box. I need to build a dapper vm to see if it changed | 07:11 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: a little bit | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: could you tell me what the version of ewb is from http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/ | 07:11 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: speak a bit more - why ? | 07:11 |
| LaserJock | the characters don't even show up for me right now so the website is a mess | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: current version appears to be 3.3 | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | brb | 07:12 |
| Yagisan | LaserJock: current source links http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/archives/ewb-3.3-R8.tar.gz http://www.ascii.co.jp/EWB/archives/ewbpatch-3.3-R9.tar.gz | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | ok, got a list by assignee | 07:15 |
| Yagisan | bbl - customer time :) | 07:15 |
| ajmitch | now I can get emailing ;) | 07:16 |
| LaserJock | Yagisan: thanks | 07:16 |
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| LaserJock | is it possible to get a list of bugs for a package from LP? | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | yes | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/f-spot/+bugs | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | for example | 07:18 |
| ajmitch | mantha@chem.unr.edu : xmakemol | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | but can you get a list of bug numbers | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | you only have 1 open merge against your name | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | it's not even mine | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | I thought you had xmakemol? | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | I messed the name on that one so it assigned it to me | 07:19 |
| ajmitch | then I'd better reassign it | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 07:20 |
| ajmitch | the bug renaming makes it impossible to tell | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | yann is who you want | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | but I have to get the right bug again | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | ok, 6535 | 07:21 |
| ajmitch | fixed | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | k, thanks | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | sorry about that | 07:22 |
| ajmitch | ajmitch@ihug.co.nz has 37 packages left as assigned merges | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | wonderful! | 07:27 |
| ajmitch | there's a few there that are *not* mine | 07:28 |
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| ajmitch | ok, we're down to 111 merges | 07:30 |
| Mez | kyral: ping | 07:49 |
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| ajmitch | crimsun: you think an email reminder to those with assigned merges is ok? | 07:53 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: now? certainly. | 07:53 |
| crimsun | we're what, one week out? | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | I've just written up a quick script to do so | 07:53 |
| ajmitch | you've got 31 assigned merges | 07:53 |
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| ajmitch | so between us we've got over half the assigned merges left | 07:54 |
| crimsun | that's fine, I'm going through mine anyhow | 07:54 |
| ajmitch | yep | 07:54 |
| ajmitch | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7057 | 07:55 |
| ajmitch | for the email I'm sending | 07:55 |
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| crimsun | looks good :) | 07:56 |
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| ajmitch | yay, getting feedback on the mail I sent out | 08:36 |
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| StevenK | Anyone feel like doing an upload for me? | 09:09 |
| ajmitch | for how much? | 09:10 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: moin upload? | 09:11 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Yup. | 09:13 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: How does my undying love and devotion sound? | 09:13 |
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| ajmitch | coming to LCA? ;) | 09:13 |
| StevenK | No, actually. | 09:13 |
| ajmitch | a shame | 09:13 |
| === StevenK is aiming for brownie points with work. | ||
| ajmitch | otherwise I'd accept beer in lieu of love & devotion | 09:14 |
| StevenK | I want them to pay for me to go to Debconf 7 in Edinburgh. | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | oh that would be nic | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | nice | 09:14 |
| StevenK | And hopefully, I can take my wife. | 09:14 |
| ajmitch | how scary is this moin upload? | 09:15 |
| ajmitch | will I be banished from ubuntu for uploading it? | 09:15 |
| StevenK | I have no idea how scary. | 09:16 |
| StevenK | I can point you at the source | 09:16 |
| ajmitch | the source would be a good start | 09:17 |
| StevenK | http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin | 09:17 |
| ajmitch | fetching | 09:20 |
| StevenK | I noticed - I was tail -f the apache logs. :-) | 09:20 |
| ajmitch | :) | 09:21 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: you include your own cdbs still? | 09:23 |
| StevenK | What do you mean, my own cdbs? | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | I see that debian has rc1 anyway | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | moin-1.5.0/debian/cdbs/1/rules/buildinfo.mk | 09:24 |
| ajmitch | plus a number of other cdbs files | 09:24 |
| StevenK | Oh, blah. | 09:25 |
| StevenK | I suspect they can be binned. | 09:25 |
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| StevenK | I can regenerate the diff.gz if you like. | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:25 |
| ajmitch | does debian still carry those in 1.5.0rc1? | 09:25 |
| StevenK | Yes. | 09:27 |
| StevenK | It uses them, too. | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | lovely | 09:27 |
| StevenK | New d{sc,iff.gz} copied to the webserver. | 09:27 |
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| ajmitch | how far do you wish to stray from debian packaging? | 09:27 |
| StevenK | In terms of the rules file, I've had to do *evil* things. | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | oh yay | 09:28 |
| StevenK | I've come to the conclusion Jonas can't write Makefiles, so I've basically hacked my own up. | 09:28 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:29 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Did you see my upload of albatross? | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | it even has compatibility code for backporting to woody | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | no, I don't think I did | 09:29 |
| StevenK | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/dapper-changes/2006-January/004602.html | 09:30 |
| StevenK | Read that, and weep. | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | heh | 09:31 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Still looking over my diff? | 09:32 |
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| ajmitch | sigh, yet more mail from .au waiting for me downstairs | 09:32 |
| StevenK | An entire country is mailing you? :-P | 09:33 |
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| ajmitch | no, just some people in melbourne | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: besides, you're an experienced DD, I shouldn't need to read the diff much :) | 09:35 |
| StevenK | Heh | 09:35 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: I see control.in.ubuntu, but where is that used? | 09:38 |
| === ajmitch hopes it wasn't the cdbs crack that was removed :) | ||
| StevenK | I read through the debian/rules file for the Debian three times, and I had less idea then when I started as to how control stuff was generated. | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | that worries me | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | I even resorted to grep & found nothing | 09:41 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/moin/rules | 09:41 |
| StevenK | That's the Debian debian/rules. | 09:41 |
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| ajmitch | ah, the auto-update loveliness | 09:42 |
| StevenK | I think I get it now. You need to call the target ubuntu, and then the update target. | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | you're right, this is scary | 09:43 |
| StevenK | Hence why I dropped most of it. | 09:43 |
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| viviersf | elo ajmitch | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | hi | 09:46 |
| === StevenK wonders if he has broken ajmitch. | ||
| ajmitch | I'm still alive | 09:48 |
| StevenK | Barely? :-) | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | I'm just wondering if you want to have that tiny debian/control file or not | 09:48 |
| StevenK | It's what's in breezy. | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | since the control.in.* files have a few more binary packages in them | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | how will we go when it's time to resync with debian & an upgrade path is needed? | 09:49 |
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| StevenK | Most of the packages will need Conflict and Replace moin | 09:49 |
| ajmitch | can we beat that into the debian maintainer? | 09:50 |
| StevenK | I have no idea. | 09:50 |
| StevenK | I have some other things I'd like to beat him with first. | 09:50 |
| StevenK | Er, beat into him. *grins shiftly* | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | :) | 09:51 |
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| ajmitch | mm, food sounds really good actually | 09:55 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | morning dholbach :) | 10:03 |
| dholbach | hello ajmitch | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | hope you don't mine the merge spam ;) | 10:03 |
| dholbach | :) | 10:03 |
| dholbach | it's not exactly "spam" | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | no, I thought it was needed | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | I already had one reply from someone giving back their assigned merges | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | are the merges you're assigned to really yours? | 10:05 |
| siretart | morning folks! | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | morning siretart :) | 10:13 |
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| ajmitch | :) | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | siretart: we're down to ~115 assigned merges now | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | after going through & closing those bugs that are merged & built on all archs | 10:14 |
| siretart | ajmitch: did sistpoty state somewhere what stat 0,1 and 2 is? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | siretart: in the source | 10:15 |
| siretart | I'd like to get helix-player removed, we are already at debian level | 10:15 |
| siretart | ok | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | 0 = new, 1 = accepted, 2 = done | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | you received my nagging about merges also? :) | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | siretart: helix-player only works on i386? | 10:16 |
| siretart | BUGNEW=0 | 10:17 |
| siretart | BUGACCEPTED=1 | 10:17 |
| siretart | BUGFIXED=2 | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:17 |
| siretart | ajmitch: yes, it FTBFS on ppc | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | in the source, as I said ;) | 10:17 |
| siretart | :) | 10:17 |
| === ajmitch has had to use it a few times today | ||
| ajmitch | since closing bugs *sometimes* caused them to not close on the merge page, and they became assigned to me | 10:18 |
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| zakame | hello all :D | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | hey zakame | 10:19 |
| zakame | hi ajmitch, just arrived in Manila now :) | 10:19 |
| ajmitch | cool :) | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | zakame, you're way too eary for Ubuntu Asia Tour | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 10:23 |
| zakame | jsgotangco, perhaps, but not for Ubuntu UPOU Tour ;) | 10:24 |
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| cain_ | oh goodie | 10:48 |
| cain_ | xorg no work on our new hp proliant | 10:48 |
| cain_ | :( | 10:48 |
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| zakame | hey mez_ :) | 11:00 |
| mez_ | hi zakame | 11:00 |
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| ajmitch | evening womble | 11:18 |
| womble | hi ajmitch | 11:22 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: Any news/flames? | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | on moin? | 11:24 |
| StevenK | Yah. | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | no, I've been too busy flaming/getting flamed by an upstream with their sheer idiocy :) | 11:25 |
| StevenK | Ah. Debian work. :-) | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:25 |
| StevenK | Which reminds me, I need to kill Rocco about POE. | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | dotgnu pnet, the 'alternative' to mono | 11:25 |
| StevenK | Oh. Sounds positively ghastly. | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | horribly broken in debian & ubuntu at the moment | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | but I need to get a working snapshot or release in order to close those RC bugs | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | it is, trust me :) | 11:26 |
| ajmitch | one of the new upstream guys is trying to convince me to ship a copy of gtk#, because novell is evil | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | never mind that novell has copyright for both mono & gtk# | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | anyway | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | </rant> | 11:27 |
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| ajmitch | moin is ugly & nasty | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | and I really don't like it | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | therefore I'll probable upload it ASAP to get it off my drive | 11:28 |
| StevenK | Hah | 11:28 |
| ajmitch | sounds like a reasonable deal? | 11:28 |
| Mez | hmm | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | hello Mez | 11:30 |
| Mez | ajmitch, are you pretty savvy on the whole - DFSG stuff? | 11:30 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Works for me. | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | Mez: I can roughly argue my way out of a paper bag, why? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | if not we have StevenK & womble to help out | 11:31 |
| Mez | ajmitch - say i'm working with a company - but they want me to sign a copyright transfer for any code they include in the main source | 11:31 |
| Mez | does that copyright transfer also mean that 1) the copyright of the packaging gets transferred to them and 2) that it isnt DFSG compatible (debian-specific stuff) | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | why would it not be DFSG compatible? | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | the copyright holder determines the licensing | 11:32 |
| Mez | licencing and copyright is differnt | 11:32 |
| Mez | lol | 11:32 |
| Mez | nvm | 11:32 |
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| ajmitch | well it doesn't matter who holds the copyright | 11:33 |
| ajmitch | MS could have it, for all it matters | 11:33 |
| Mez | ajmitch - I'm a lil confused about it all though - I think I really need to find out whether if i transfer it over to them - whether the copyright for the package (as a whole not the bits i wrote) transfer over to them | 11:34 |
| Mez | because if as a whole it transfers to them - then noone else can work on the package and then let me be able to work on it again ... | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | that depends on what you sign | 11:35 |
| Mez | without getting that person to sign the copyright over | 11:35 |
| Mez | lol | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | why? | 11:35 |
| Mez | because then I wouldnt "own" the copyright of the whole package | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | I fail to see how that would stop someone contributing | 11:36 |
| Mez | so therefore - by me then modifying it - it would make it so that the package isnt copyrighted by them | 11:36 |
| Mez | lol | 11:37 |
| Mez | it's confusing | 11:37 |
| Mez | I know what I mean in my head | 11:37 |
| Mez | ajmitch: basically | 11:37 |
| spacey_ki | is it GPL? | 11:37 |
| Mez | will this: http://www.ifolder.com/files/1/1a/IFolder_Copyright_Assignment_Agreement_20060106.pdf cause any problems to letting it get in debian archives | 11:37 |
| Mez | yes | 11:37 |
| spacey_ki | then it doesn't matter right | 11:37 |
| ajmitch | if it's GPL, why would it matter? | 11:37 |
| spacey_ki | only if they have the copyright, they can also use it differently | 11:38 |
| spacey_ki | with another license | 11:38 |
| spacey_ki | the same code | 11:38 |
| ajmitch | that's like saying that anyone who packages a work that is (C) FSF must sign over to the FSF as well | 11:38 |
| Mez | ajmitch: not really - this is me signing a specific agreement for my patches to go into ifolder | 11:39 |
| Mez | ] but by signing that - all my work on ifolder (in any way) gets the copyright assigned to novell | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | Mez: just like most contributors to GNU projects do | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | I assumed that you meant it was some company hiring you to work on some non-free software | 11:40 |
| Mez | ajmitch: nope... i wish | 11:40 |
| StevenK | steven@broken:~% sudo du -sh /var/cache/pbuilder | 11:40 |
| StevenK | 3.7G /var/cache/pbuilder | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: small | 11:40 |
| StevenK | Hrm. I suspect I may need to clean up. | 11:40 |
| Mez | ajmitch: nvm - I just read the following | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | probably stray build dirs | 11:40 |
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| StevenK | Only 9. | 11:41 |
| Mez | "Novell grants back to you a non-exclusive - royalty-free, and right to use, modify, and distribute the assigned contributions as you wish | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | Mez: stop worrying | 11:41 |
| StevenK | One of which is currently chroot()'d into. | 11:42 |
| Mez | ajmitch :D nvm - I'm just being an idiot | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | it's a fairly standard copyright assignment for a free software project | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | 4645 N Jan 13 Steve Kowalik ( 52) Accepted moin 1.5.0-0ubuntu1 (source) | 11:44 |
| StevenK | Whee | 11:44 |
| StevenK | Thanks! | 11:44 |
| ajmitch | np | 11:44 |
| Yagisan | re | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | hi | 11:55 |
| Yagisan | evening ajmitch | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | how's it going? | 11:55 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: I've had the fun of a user bashing his head against ubuntu's plone | 11:56 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: no matter how hard I try, I just can get plone + linguaplone to work out of the box with the .debs | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | really? | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | I can get plone going in a couple of minutes | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | and linguaplone is meant to just drop in with plone 2.1 | 11:57 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: I know the debs are installed, but I'll be buggered if I can find the translate into button | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | ah, is linguaplone installed properly then? | 11:57 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: it doesn't show up on add/remove products | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | right | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | it probably isn't in the zope instance | 11:58 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: ?? then where did it go ? | 11:59 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: upstreams docs don't seem to cover .deb installation | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | you install the package, but zope instances need to have the products | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | depends how you setup the instance, also | 11:59 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: out of the box sudo aptitude install plone plone-site | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | right | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | and then you installed linguaplone? | 12:00 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: it's a recommend, so yes | 12:01 |
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| ajmitch | this could be better documented, really | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | Addon-Mode: manual | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | right | 12:01 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: #plone told me to not use the debs, then ignored me :( | 12:01 |
| ajmitch | they can be like that | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | zope 2.8? | 12:02 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: yes. test server was a breezy box | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site linguaplone | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | and restart your zope instance | 12:03 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: :( unknown product /me feels real dumb right now | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | uh | 12:05 |
| ajmitch | try : dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site zope-linguaplone | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | or LinguaPlone | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | I can't recall which field it uses | 12:06 |
| ajmitch | probably LinguaPlone :) | 12:06 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: it was LinguaPlone. Lots of terminal output, now to restart | 12:09 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello | 12:09 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: great | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: zope does have some confusing concepts :) | 12:10 |
| ajmitch | since you don't just install it & run | 12:10 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: restarted now. please let it be working now | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | :) | 12:11 |
| ajmitch | you will probably need to go into the plone site's add/remove products | 12:12 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: :( still not there | 12:13 |
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| ajmitch | oh? | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | that's interesting | 12:13 |
| ajmitch | the zope instance was restarted? | 12:13 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: that sucks - it actually looked perfect for my needs. Yes, I restarted it | 12:14 |
| ajmitch | it's usually so easy to get going.. | 12:14 |
| === ajmitch is doing a quick setup now | ||
| ajmitch | Yagisan: I don't think it'll be anything major :) | 12:15 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: no, it's the feeling one gets when the manual and the software don't match up. This is outside my area of expertise though, so it's frustrating | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | sigh, of course my zope instance is set to automatic | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | so linguaplone is linked in as soon as I installed it | 12:16 |
| ajmitch | very useful for me, sure | 12:16 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: breezy, dapper ? | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | dapper | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | I don't have a breezy box around | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | but you can setup a zope instance to be automatic or manual | 12:17 |
| ajmitch | lotw 2.8 addon-mode=all addon-technique=tree-linked userfile=inituser | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | plone-site 2.8 addon-mode=manual addon-technique=tree-linked userfile=inituser | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | it was automatically linked into lotw | 12:18 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: how about plone-site ? | 12:19 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: thanks for helping me | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | ok, it's linked in properly | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | for plone-site | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | ls -la /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/LinguaPlone | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | you should see a lot of symlinks | 12:21 |
| siretart | ok, wifi-radar injected to collab-maint. | 12:21 |
| siretart | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/collab-maint/ext-maint/wifi-radar/trunk/ - now lets see who is willing to upload it to debian :) | 12:22 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: I don't have that directory | 12:23 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: dzhandle should have added that in | 12:23 |
| ajmitch | can you see what the text was when you ran dzhandle earlier? it was completely silent for me | 12:23 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: I'll be back in just a bit - I've got to read the baby - I'll grab the output when I get back | 12:24 |
| Yagisan | s/read/feed | 12:24 |
| ajmitch | alright :) | 12:25 |
| ajmitch | hm, this isn't being helpful to me | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: it's installed fairly cleanly now | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | with minimal fuss | 12:34 |
| === ajmitch can translate his homepage into latin now | ||
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| mario | hello | 12:35 |
| mario | why are postgresql packages so broken? :/ | 12:35 |
| tseng | they work fine for me. if you have a specific reproducable issue you could please file a bug | 12:37 |
| raphink | siretart: could you upload a new version of knmap for me? | 12:37 |
| siretart | raphink: where is the package? | 12:38 |
| raphink | siretart: shall I put it on REVU? | 12:38 |
| dholbach | mario: you should ask in #ubuntu-devel - this is the channel for universe/multiverse maintenance | 12:38 |
| mario | k | 12:38 |
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| siretart | raphink: if the debdiff is small enough, I'd prefer that | 12:39 |
| raphink | sure :) | 12:39 |
| raphink | uploading :) | 12:39 |
| siretart | uploading where? | 12:39 |
| raphink | REVU | 12:40 |
| siretart | I'd prefer the debdiff itself, I meant | 12:40 |
| raphink | I'll give you the rul | 12:40 |
| raphink | url | 12:40 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1486 siretart | 12:41 |
| raphink | :) | 12:41 |
| raphink | siretart: and I'll archive it immediatly so it doesn't stay in the queue :) | 12:42 |
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| siretart | oh, its a new upstream. I see | 12:42 |
| raphink | yep :) | 12:43 |
| raphink | siretart: the changes between beta1 and stable are minor | 12:44 |
| siretart | raphink: they are non existent | 12:44 |
| raphink | I used the occasion to bump automake1.6 to automake1.9 and checked it builds fine though | 12:44 |
| raphink | yes there is one line of code changed siretart ;) | 12:45 |
| siretart | raphink: he only changed the year of copyright | 12:45 |
| raphink | lol | 12:45 |
| raphink | and copyrights updated | 12:45 |
| siretart | and the version number | 12:45 |
| raphink | no, there is 1 line changed | 12:45 |
| raphink | ;) | 12:45 |
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| raphink | siretart: | 12:46 |
| raphink | -{ QString version = QString( "Version 2.0 Beta-1, %1 %2" ).arg( __TIME__ ).arg( __DATE__ ); | 12:46 |
| raphink | +{ QString version = QString( "Version 2.0, %1 %2" ).arg( __TIME__ ).arg( __DATE__ ); | 12:46 |
| raphink | hmm actually | 12:46 |
| siretart | 12:45:18 < siretart> and the version number | 12:46 |
| raphink | well it's the still the version | 12:46 |
| raphink | lol | 12:46 |
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| raphink | yes | 12:47 |
| raphink | siretart: well that proves beta1 was stable ;) | 12:47 |
| raphink | yet people will rather install 2.0 than 1.99+2.0beta1 | 12:47 |
| raphink | and 1.99+2.0beta1 is FTBFS since it uses automake1.6 which was removed from dapper ;) | 12:47 |
| siretart | thats a valid reason :) | 12:48 |
| raphink | hehe | 12:48 |
| raphink | :) | 12:48 |
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| Tonio_ | siretart: hi ! can you look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=776 | 12:50 |
| Tonio_ | you uploaded it but I cannot find it in the archives......... | 12:51 |
| rbelem | good morning people | 12:51 |
| siretart | Tonio_: sorry, now I'm a bit too busy ;) | 12:53 |
| Tonio_ | no pb siretart :) it was just to know if I have to see that with you or elmo in fact ;) | 12:54 |
| Tonio_ | don't mind, that's not very imporant anyway ;) | 12:54 |
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| raphink | siretart: it seems you uploaded 1.99+2.0beta1 again instead of 2.0 | 01:02 |
| raphink | according to what I got from Katie | 01:03 |
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| Yagisan | re | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | wb Yagisan | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: it worked for you ? | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | yes | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | I've got a translation screen open | 01:06 |
| Yagisan | hmm | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | except my latin is a bit poor | 01:06 |
| raphink | siretart: I can ask someone else if you're too busy | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | so I can't translate very well | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: it turned out that I just had to use dzhandle, and plone's add/remove products | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | since it did link in properly | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | can you repeat that dzhandle -z 2.8 add-product plone-site LinguaPlone | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | and tell me if it gives any output? | 01:08 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: ok | 01:08 |
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| ajmitch | also the output of dzhandle list-instances | 01:09 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/addproduct.png | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | nice, I get a png | 01:13 |
| ajmitch | very verbose | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | have you tried this with sudo? | 01:14 |
| ajmitch | since one thing I forgot to mention was that I'm doing all this as root on my box | 01:15 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: yep, sudo produced that output | 01:17 |
| ajmitch | ls -la /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/ | 01:18 |
| ajmitch | pastebin it if you can | 01:18 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: might be hard to pastebin, no vmtools in that server | 01:19 |
| ajmitch | ah, you're doing all this in vmware? | 01:19 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: yes, before deploying on a real box | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | right | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | makes life difficult for me ;) | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | do you have LinguaPlone in there or not? | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | your screenshot didn't help much because it was so limited | 01:21 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: no, not there at all | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | any error was probably off the top of the screen | 01:22 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: just a sec then | 01:23 |
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| ajmitch | it'll probably end up being a zope-common bug that's fixed in dapper or something :) | 01:24 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: the output is all the same as the screenshot, but just a different package name each time | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | and is LinguaPlone ever mentioned? | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | or anything about addon? | 01:26 |
| Kyral | Morning | 01:27 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: never | 01:27 |
| Kyral | Mez: very lagged Pong ;P | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | since dzhandle list-products plone-site | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | is meant to list LinguaPlone | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | but I guess it won't | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | do the workaround hack | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | cd /var/lib/zope2.8/instance/plone-site/Products/ ; ln -s /usr/share/zope/Products/LinguaPlone/ | 01:28 |
| ajmitch | see if that works when you restart that instance | 01:29 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: your right it doesn't list it - tryink the hack now | 01:29 |
| Hobbsee | filing a dapper bug - are we using bugzilla or launchpad now? | 01:30 |
| ajmitch | depends on what way the wind blows today | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | probably launchpad by now | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | except they're most likely mid-transition | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | right | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | hehe - i thought they were changing! so i dont seem like a total idiot! | 01:31 |
| ajmitch | nah | 01:32 |
| ajmitch | Yagisan: I should get a breezy box to test this on | 01:33 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: vm restarting now - you just need a decent vm system | 01:33 |
| ajmitch | nah | 01:34 |
| ajmitch | I use chroots | 01:34 |
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| ajmitch | I might play with xen if there are kernels around | 01:34 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: xen isn't a vm system ? | 01:35 |
| ajmitch | xen still requires some guest modifications | 01:35 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: the hack works - I have it on the install menu | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | good | 01:37 |
| ajmitch | probably the bug fixed in zope-common 0.5.16 | 01:38 |
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| ajmitch | Yagisan: disappointing that it didn't work out of the box though | 01:39 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: :( I thought I fucked up rather bad. | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | nah | 01:40 |
| ajmitch | it'd be hard to screw up something with so few commands | 01:40 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: rm * is a small command too | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | sure :) | 01:42 |
| ajmitch | oh good, I remembered my alioth password :) | 01:43 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: thank you. /me starts creating a dapper vm to check it is fixed | 01:44 |
| segfault | \sh_away: why #6213 was forced to php5 only? | 01:45 |
| Gloubiboulga | someone could review http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1469 ? | 01:47 |
| Gloubiboulga | it's a new upstream version of eagle-usb | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | have you asked the debian maintainer for a new version? | 01:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | ajmitch, no | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | because if the debian maintainer updates, as I expect he will, we'd have to merge the changes in | 01:50 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok, I'll mail and ask him if he plans to package the new release | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | or you could put a wishlist bug in the debian BTS, and point to your package | 01:52 |
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| Gloubiboulga | ajmitch, ok | 01:53 |
| ajmitch | also the Recommends lines in debian/control don't match, since debian & ubuntu have moved to linux-image-* instead of kernel-image-* | 01:54 |
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| Gloubiboulga | ajmitch, wishlist bugs have to be reported using the wnpp pseudo package? | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | no | 02:03 |
| ajmitch | they are filed against the package in question (eagle-usb) | 02:03 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok | 02:04 |
| ajmitch | Severity: wishlist | 02:04 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: in the breezy vm, I just actually selected install of linguaplone form the menu, and got this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7079 :( | 02:05 |
| ajmitch | yeah, makes sense | 02:06 |
| ajmitch | because I forgot to tell you to symlink the other zope products it needs | 02:06 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: oh, then no need to tell you there is no translate button either ;) | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | you need to symlink PloneLanguageTool & PlacelessTranslationService as well | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | and Archetypes:1.3/ in the unlikely case it's not there | 02:08 |
| ajmitch | 1 or more of those may already exist, of course :) | 02:08 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: done, just needed PloneLanguageTool | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | right | 02:10 |
| Yagisan | ajmitch: restarting, and will ping you if it's still broken | 02:10 |
| ajmitch | it should work :) | 02:10 |
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| Yagisan | ajmitch: thank you it is working now. Hope it works in dapper too | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | it works here ;) | 02:14 |
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| raphink | Gloubiboulga: /!\ eagle-usb est dans main | 02:26 |
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| ajmitch | raphink: ah you're right | 02:26 |
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| raphink | ;) | 02:26 |
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| ajmitch | night all | 02:28 |
| raphink | night ajmitch | 02:28 |
| Yagisan | Goodnight and thanks ajmitch | 02:28 |
| Gloubiboulga | arf | 02:30 |
| raphink | Gloubiboulga: tu peux demander ce que ce soit mis jour | 02:30 |
| Gloubiboulga | I forgot to check too | 02:30 |
| raphink | Gloubiboulga: j'archive sur REVU, a n'a rien y faire :( | 02:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | raphink, ok | 02:31 |
| raphink | essaie de pinger elmo savoir ce qu'il en pense | 02:31 |
| raphink | ok? | 02:31 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 02:31 |
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| LaserJock | morning everybody | 02:57 |
| raphink | hi LaserJock <>< :) | 03:01 |
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| LaserJock | how's it going raphink ? | 03:01 |
| raphink | fine | 03:01 |
| raphink | getting prepared to leave :) | 03:02 |
| LaserJock | I'm just stuggleing to get awake, early morning docteam meeting | 03:03 |
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| raphink | oo ;) | 03:03 |
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| azeem | hi | 03:09 |
| azeem | Kyral: where you looking for me? | 03:09 |
| LaserJock | azeem: he was doing a RFS but I see on debian-mentors that somebody might have already picked it up | 03:10 |
| azeem | cool | 03:10 |
| LaserJock | azeem: I suggested he contact you but I guess debian-mentors was easier for him ;-) | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | azeem: EasyChem is the app | 03:11 |
| azeem | yeah, just read it in the web archives | 03:12 |
| azeem | wow, that guy has a list of suggestions :) | 03:12 |
| LaserJock | yeah, kyral is going to have fun ;-) | 03:13 |
| azeem | I don't think it is bad to patch the Makefile to properly install stuff, as long as he sends it upstream | 03:13 |
| azeem | the prefix thing might indeed be more elegantly solved with a flag in debian/rules, if that is honored | 03:14 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: btw, did you see the number of merge bugs left on the revu list? | 03:26 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: No, not yet - I just saw two merges assigned to me. :-) | 03:27 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch and I went through the list last night and closed all the ones that were done so we nocked off ~100 :-) | 03:27 |
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| phanatic | hi people | 03:28 |
| dholbach | WOW | 03:29 |
| LaserJock | also when ajmitch's zope syncs go through another 30 some will be done | 03:30 |
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| xerxas | Hi | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | hi xerxas | 03:50 |
| xerxas | what's the way of asking for root rights in hoary in gnome ? | 03:50 |
| xerxas | gksudo ? | 03:50 |
| xerxas | (I want to do a bug report, because of a friend using ubuntu, but I have no ubuntu right now ) | 03:50 |
| xerxas | The bug is quite simple: gksudo / gksu / gnome-sudo doesn't warn the user that he has caps lock on | 03:51 |
| Kyral | azeem: ping | 03:52 |
| azeem | heya | 03:52 |
| Kyral | azeem LJ suggested I email my RFS for EasyChem to you before sending it to Debian-Mentors..but I was bored last night and sent the RFS anyway ;P | 03:52 |
| azeem | yeah, I saw | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | xerxas: I would assume gksudo would be correct but I don't know for sure | 03:53 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: did you see the reply? | 03:53 |
| Kyral | yah a couple of them | 03:54 |
| Kyral | I'm running through my mail list now | 03:54 |
| xerxas | LaserJock: seems to me to | 03:54 |
| xerxas | LaserJock: btw , gksu , have the same problem probably | 03:55 |
| xerxas | and gnome-sudo also | 03:55 |
| Kyral | now I need to find a way to automatically strip HTML from mails in Mutt | 03:55 |
| LaserJock | xerxas: I think you want to file the bug against gksu | 03:57 |
| Kyral | It looks like I should refine my package | 03:58 |
| Kyral | I was thinking about rebuilding it with CDBS anyway | 03:58 |
| LaserJock | yeah, CDBS will make all your problems disapper ;p | 03:59 |
| xerxas | LaserJock: sure | 03:59 |
| xerxas | $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/gksudo | 03:59 |
| xerxas | gksu: /usr/bin/gksudo | 03:59 |
| Kyral | Is that sarcasm? | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yes it is | 03:59 |
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| LaserJock | hi tritium | 03:59 |
| tritium | hi LaserJock | 03:59 |
| \sh | hehe | 04:00 |
| \sh | moins | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | hi | 04:00 |
| Kyral | I'm not good at detecting sarcasm ;P | 04:00 |
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| LaserJock | tritium: are you subscribed to the ubuntu-science or debian-science MLs? | 04:02 |
| \sh | fixing boson-base | 04:02 |
| tritium | LaserJock: I doubt it. I'll subscribe | 04:02 |
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| LaserJock | tritium: I'm using ubuntu-science for the MOTUScience ML you can subscribe at http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science | 04:04 |
| tritium | thanks, LaserJock | 04:05 |
| LaserJock | has anybody hacked lpbugs.py to work with the new Malone status naming scheme? | 04:06 |
| Kyral | Actually does ReportBug now fully use Malone? | 04:07 |
| LaserJock | hmm, not sure | 04:08 |
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| \sh | Kyral: I don't think so | 04:10 |
| \sh | Kyral: for reportbug to work with malone, we need to do more | 04:10 |
| Kyral | hmm | 04:10 |
| Kyral | ah | 04:10 |
| \sh | i'm working on a {g,k}lpreportbugs because of this :) | 04:10 |
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| LaserJock | how do you get reportbug to spit out the bts's that it knows about? | 04:12 |
| Kyral | Okay I most definately love Emacs Apt-Utils | 04:12 |
| \sh | reportbug --bts help? | 04:15 |
| allee | Hi, is someone working on the FTBFS due to libXft.la is gone? | 04:15 |
| \sh | allee: in which package? | 04:16 |
| allee | quite a few: grep -l libXft.la /usr/lib/*.la | 04:16 |
| \sh | shermann@amd64-home:/usr/lib$ grep -l "libXft.la" *.la | 04:17 |
| \sh | libgwenviewcore.la | 04:17 |
| \sh | libkdeinit_gwenview.la | 04:17 |
| \sh | libkmediapart.la | 04:17 |
| allee | ah and some more here: grep -l libXft.la /usr/lib/*/*.la | 04:17 |
| \sh | allee: it's all kde | 04:17 |
| allee | \sh eh, no libkexif libkipi digikam? shame on you :) | 04:18 |
| allee | \sh can be. no gnome here. | 04:18 |
| \sh | to be honest, i don't have those apps installed or those libs somehow | 04:18 |
| allee | \sh np ;) | 04:18 |
| \sh | since when is it gone? | 04:19 |
| allee | \sh don't know got the first report ~ a week ago | 04:19 |
| \sh | most of the kde stuff is rebuild with the latest uploads of riddell... | 04:19 |
| \sh | hmmm..dist-upgrading | 04:20 |
| \sh | 155mb to fetch.... | 04:20 |
| allee | \sh yes, but at least gwenview, digikam (0.8.1 soon), libkipi, libkexif are not in KDE 3.5 | 04:21 |
| \sh | sure..but most matches I had for kcm modules | 04:21 |
| allee | + kipi-plugins I assume | 04:21 |
| \sh | so I have to check if they're gone just now after dist-upgrade | 04:21 |
| \sh | and then we need to rebuild the stuff which is missing :) | 04:21 |
| allee | \sh fwiw: in alioth pkg-kde there are libkipi, libkexif and kipi-plugins that are relibtoolized. Depends on ~ 6 instead ~ 27 pkgs | 04:24 |
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| \sh | well..lets seee | 04:27 |
| \sh | oh boson-base fixed and uploaded...will build now as well on amd64 :) | 04:27 |
| sivang | hi all | 04:28 |
| sivang | are we maloned yet? :) | 04:28 |
| \sh | still ongoing :) | 04:28 |
| Kyral | dunno | 04:28 |
| sivang | \sh: ah still ? :-) | 04:28 |
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| \sh | sure official ending time i think was 18utc? | 04:29 |
| sivang | ah right, something like that | 04:29 |
| \sh | but some bugs are already imported :) on of my xterm bugs e.g. | 04:31 |
| sivang | \sh: ah, I wonder if my bugs are also imported already :) | 04:34 |
| sivang | that is, bugs I filed | 04:34 |
| sivang | bugzilla is frozen already? | 04:35 |
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| \sh | should be | 04:37 |
| sivang | I see they're fighting with having the -bugs mls accept the bugmails from malone | 04:38 |
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| LaserJock | I wish there were more (any?) Debian/Ubuntu meetings in the US, I would really like to go to some | 04:55 |
| spacey_ki | LaserJock, organize one with your LoCo team? | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | what LoCo team :( | 04:58 |
| LaserJock | my problem is that all the meetings I would like to go to are in Europe, which is great for the Europeans but I don't know if I would ever be able to make one. | 05:00 |
| LaserJock | I'm not much of a traveler (never really been outside of the US) so maybe it is my own fault | 05:01 |
| spacey_ki | There is no LoCo team in US? | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | well, a couple are pending but they are far from me | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | are LoCo teams supposed to be able to meet in person? or are they just online? | 05:03 |
| spacey_ki | We'll not sure how USA LoCo | 05:07 |
| spacey_ki | work | 05:07 |
| spacey_ki | but in Dutch Loco team, we have ubuntu-nl channel, and meetings once in a while | 05:08 |
| spacey_ki | depends on interest | 05:08 |
| LaserJock | I would really like to make an Extremadura meeting but they seem to be European only (for the most part at least) | 05:10 |
| LaserJock | maybe if the US was as generous at hosting as Extremadura we would get something like that ;-) | 05:10 |
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| spacey_ki | whats extremadura? | 05:12 |
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| spacey_ki | LaserJock, you just live on the wrong continent;) | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | apparently | 05:13 |
| LaserJock | spacey_ki: http://wiki.debian.org/WorkSessionsExtremadura | 05:13 |
| spacey_ki | and usa is not so friendly to foreign visitors :p | 05:14 |
| LaserJock | well, it's easier if your american ;-) | 05:16 |
| spacey_ki | LaserJock, yeah, but good reason not to have meetings in usa ;p | 05:16 |
| \sh | no it's easier to have an immigration officer at the airport who was a GI in germany :) | 05:16 |
| LaserJock | seems to me there are enough Americans that we would have our own meetings but you Europeans seem to be a little more friendly that way | 05:17 |
| \sh | are we? | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | seems like it to me | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | must be the drinking problem you guys have ;-) | 05:19 |
| \sh | lol | 05:19 |
| \sh | yeah..european people are drinking and smoking ... and we have the pope :) | 05:19 |
| LaserJock | hmm, that must be it, no pope | 05:20 |
| \sh | well...amerika has michael jackson, mr. bush, and michael moore .. what do you need a pope for ;) | 05:20 |
| \sh | oops..that was the cia... | 05:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | :) | 05:26 |
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| \sh | leaving for a bit...bbl | 05:28 |
| raphink | any MOTU here? | 05:29 |
| raphink | Riddell: could you upload a package for me please? | 05:30 |
| Riddell | raphink: if it's sane | 05:30 |
| raphink | sure | 05:30 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1486 | 05:30 |
| raphink | it's a new upstream of knmap | 05:30 |
| raphink | there hmm no changes in it lol | 05:31 |
| raphink | except it's called 2.0 instead of 2.0beta1 | 05:31 |
| raphink | _but_ | 05:31 |
| raphink | it gave me the opportunity to review the package | 05:31 |
| raphink | and since automake1.6 was removed from dapper, 2.0beta1 FTBFS | 05:31 |
| raphink | so I switch to automake1.9 | 05:31 |
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| raphink | so I'd say while this package is supposed to bring a new upstream of knmap, it mostly makes the package buildable again | 05:32 |
| raphink | is that fine for you Riddell ? ;) | 05:32 |
| Riddell | raphink: groovy, let me look | 05:34 |
| raphink | k ;) | 05:34 |
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| raphink | MrRio: just out of curiosity : where is your vhost from? | 05:36 |
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| MrRio | raphink, hey, i donate money to freenode | 05:38 |
| raphink | oh ic :) | 05:38 |
| raphink | nice | 05:38 |
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| Kyral | hmm | 05:40 |
| Kyral | have I gone too far? | 05:40 |
| Kyral | Using Emacs for IRC? | 05:40 |
| raphink | lol | 05:41 |
| MrRio | Kyral, lol, yup | 05:41 |
| raphink | something I hope I never have to do ;) | 05:41 |
| Kyral | Well it would be more productive with Screen | 05:41 |
| psusi | roflmfao | 05:42 |
| Riddell | raphink: looks good, I'll upload | 05:42 |
| psusi | who needs ubuntu? I use emacs for my OS ;) | 05:42 |
| Kyral | hahahah | 05:42 |
| raphink | thanks Riddell | 05:42 |
| raphink | psusi: you should use multideskos ;) | 05:43 |
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| hub | raphink: are you jayce? | 05:45 |
| raphink | hub: do you think jayce could ever become an ubuntu member ? ;) | 05:46 |
| raphink | he'd have to study quite a bit ;) | 05:46 |
| hub | raphink: he wrote an OS, so why not? | 05:46 |
| raphink | je serais meme pas capable de faire des phrases comme les siennes | 05:46 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:46 |
| raphink | wrote an OS lol | 05:46 |
| raphink | hub: tu l'as essay multideskos? | 05:46 |
| hub | raphink: c'est pourtant facile:-) | 05:46 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:46 |
| hub | raphink: non, j'avais pas de PC a l'epoque | 05:46 |
| raphink | vas y montre mon hub :) | 05:46 |
| psusi | anyone know of a good burn in stress test for ubuntu? under windows I'd use prime95 | 05:47 |
| raphink | lol | 05:47 |
| raphink | hub: Tonio_ et moi on a russi trouver une vieille version de multideskos qui trainait sur un site et l'installer avec wine | 05:47 |
| raphink | lol | 05:47 |
| hub | bah. I don't even have wine atm | 05:47 |
| raphink | ok | 05:47 |
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| raphink | argh | 05:48 |
| raphink | je te souhaite du courage :) | 05:48 |
| raphink | quelle marque? | 05:48 |
| hub | I'm fighting with IBM Lenovo | 05:48 |
| raphink | ok | 05:48 |
| hub | raphink: given that I'm not in France, I don;t have the DGCCRF | 05:48 |
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| hub | and Competition Bureau Canada seems to be a useless tax money waste | 05:48 |
| raphink | ah, not in France ... that's even harder | 05:48 |
| Tonio_ | there is an OS in dev whose purposeis to be NT compatible......... | 05:49 |
| hub | raphink: BBB in the US makes it efficient | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | don't remember the name, but that doesn't go quick | 05:49 |
| raphink | Tonio_: pff multideskos is already NT compatible | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: that's true ;) | 05:49 |
| psusi | ReactOS? I worked on that for a while | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | psusi: that's ist :) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | reactos | 05:49 |
| hub | AbiWord runs on it | 05:49 |
| raphink | ah ou | 05:49 |
| raphink | :) | 05:49 |
| hub | we asked for the patch and they said | 05:50 |
| raphink | reactos | 05:50 |
| hub | "we use your Windows build" | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | last time I had a look was at least one and a half years ago | 05:50 |
| hub | .... | 05:50 |
| raphink | interesting project | 05:50 |
| raphink | very ugly but interesting | 05:50 |
| hub | not opensource AFAIK | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | lol | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | I prefere haikuos :) | 05:50 |
| raphink | yep I know ;) | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | that's the project I love tosee growing | 05:50 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:50 |
| raphink | and multideskos too ;) | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | i learned informatics with beos | 05:50 |
| raphink | the project we like to see dying | 05:50 |
| Tonio_ | so seeing it redevlopped entirely opensource is, well, more than a pleasure ! | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: lol | 05:51 |
| hub | Tonio_: BeOS you mean? | 05:51 |
| hub | Tonio_: I still have a BeBox :-) | 05:51 |
| Tonio_ | hub: absolutly | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | hub: heard about haikuos ? | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | very nice project | 05:52 |
| Tonio_ | raphink: blended uploaded, if you can have a look;) | 05:52 |
| raphink | Tonio_: well they're all wrong, cause they compile. A true OS should be crossplatfrom like JavaScript, that you can run in DOS with Windows. | 05:52 |
| raphink | ;) | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | it takes only 3 minute to revu this | 05:53 |
| raphink | hehe | 05:53 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: lol | 05:53 |
| raphink | Tonio_: well I have to prepare my luggage and go teach a math course in 5 mins so later | 05:53 |
| hub | Tonio_: heard of it but I'm no longer interested | 05:53 |
| Tonio_ | can you imagine this guy has 3 fortunes dedicated to him.... | 05:53 |
| raphink | Tonio_: lol | 05:53 |
| raphink | you don't know anything Tonio_ | 05:54 |
| raphink | if you managed the memory well, you could just switch from an OS to another with Alt+Tab | 05:54 |
| hub | can someone review/ comment http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1472 | 05:54 |
| raphink | you all go wrong :p | 05:54 |
| hub | it should be good now | 05:54 |
| raphink | ok guys I'm leaving | 05:56 |
| raphink | ++ | 05:56 |
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| raphink | hub: you're applying for MOTU on next tuesday? | 05:56 |
| hub | raphink: yep | 05:57 |
| raphink | good :) | 05:57 |
| hub | so I can do it tuesday ? :-) | 05:57 |
| raphink | ok I'm gone :) | 05:57 |
| raphink | bye | 05:57 |
| raphink | haha hub ;) | 05:57 |
| raphink | hopefuly on tuesday I can avocate and upload packages :) | 05:57 |
| raphink | and lucas and you too ;) | 05:58 |
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| Tonio_ | raphink: you wanted a package : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1491 | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | let go packaging mice themes now !!!!!!!!! | 05:58 |
| raphink | lol | 05:58 |
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| LaserJock | hi Gloubiboulga | 06:46 |
| Gloubiboulga | hello LaserJock :) | 06:47 |
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| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: do you think you would be interested in maintaning texmaker in Debian? | 06:48 |
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| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, I'm thinking about it... | 06:49 |
| pef | hello | 06:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | salut pef | 06:49 |
| pef | Gloubiboulga: salut :) | 06:49 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, are you a DD who wants to sponsor me ? :) | 06:50 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: no, I 'm the MOTUSciene leader who wants to get tex packages in Debian :-) | 06:51 |
| Gloubiboulga | ok :) | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: not even anywhere close to a DD but I just got a package of my own uploaded to Debian so I thought I would ask | 06:51 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: but I see that there are already 2 ITPs filed for texmaker | 06:52 |
| LaserJock | the latest ITP references your package | 06:52 |
| Gloubiboulga | could you give me an url? | 06:53 |
| LaserJock | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=345806 | 06:53 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 345806: "texmaker -- Free LaTeX editor" Package: ITP, Severity: wishlist, Maintainer: wnpp@debian.org</a http://bugs.debian.org/345806 | 06:53 |
| Gloubiboulga | I'm not really familiar with debian, but I could be a good way to start | 06:54 |
| Gloubiboulga | it could be* | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: you might want to email the bug reporter and ask him if you could help or something | 06:55 |
| Gloubiboulga | yep | 06:56 |
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| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, is there any wiki page where I could find informations about the 'ubuntu to debian' stuff? | 06:57 |
| LaserJock | hmm, I don't really know of any but if you have simple questions I might be able to help | 06:59 |
| lucas | Gloubiboulga: read ContributingToDebian | 06:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | Just reading the MOTUScience wiki page at the moment | 06:59 |
| Gloubiboulga | thanks lucas | 07:00 |
| LaserJock | lucas: oh yeah, thanks | 07:00 |
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| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: do you have questions on the process of getting it into Debian or on how to adjust your package for Debian? | 07:01 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, the most difficult part seems to find a sponsor | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: it only took me 2 days to get my package uploaded | 07:04 |
| Gloubiboulga | (is that a real english sentence?) | 07:04 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: I think if the package is well done and wanted it shouldn't be a problem | 07:05 |
| Gloubiboulga | cool | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | Gloubiboulga: but you probably should talk to the people who have already filed an ITP since that means they were intentending to work on it | 07:06 |
| Gloubiboulga | LaserJock, yep, I will send emails to them | 07:07 |
| LaserJock | anybody from the MOTURuby team around? | 07:17 |
| lucas | yes | 07:21 |
| lucas | I am | 07:21 |
| LaserJock | oh, hi lucas | 07:21 |
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| stratus | Gloubiboulga, problems to find a debian sponsor? try sponsors.debian.net | 07:22 |
| LaserJock | I was wondering if the MOTURuby team would be interested in ruby-gnuplot | 07:22 |
| lucas | url ? | 07:22 |
| Gloubiboulga | thanks stratus | 07:23 |
| lucas | LaserJock: it's on REVU ? | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | lucas: sorry, it is in Ubuntu but not in Debian, the Ubuntu url is at http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/source/ruby-gnuplot | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | but it is quite outdated | 07:23 |
| LaserJock | and I was wondering if you wanted to get it into Debian | 07:24 |
| stratus | Gloubiboulga, np and if you want web space to host the source packages you can check mentors.debian.net | 07:24 |
| lucas | it looks broken (unmet dep) and totally outdated | 07:24 |
| lucas | so no, it should be removed | 07:24 |
| LaserJock | lucas: no, it's just that nobody has been maintaning it | 07:24 |
| stratus | is there a project to run piuparts in each package sitting at universe? | 07:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | stratus, thanks a lot, I'm just discovering the debian process | 07:25 |
| LaserJock | lucas: upstream is active | 07:25 |
| Gloubiboulga | REVU is *great* ;) | 07:25 |
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| stratus | Gloubiboulga, you're welcome. | 07:25 |
| lucas | it doesn't even recursively depend on libruby1.8, since libnarray-ruby doesn't exist in ubuntu | 07:25 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I'm personally not interested. Somebody from the MOTUScience is ? | 07:25 |
| lucas | stratus: just asked somebody by mail about piuparts. I dunno | 07:26 |
| LaserJock | lucas: well, I would probably be the one to do it but I don't know ruby so I though that I should try you first | 07:26 |
| lucas | I raised the issue during yesterday's meeting but there was no clear answer | 07:26 |
| stratus | oh, i see | 07:26 |
| stratus | i can run it and put out the logs | 07:26 |
| stratus | what's the wiki url pointing to others with these kind of stuff? | 07:27 |
| lucas | stratus: mail ubuntu-devel@ about this | 07:27 |
| LaserJock | what would the point of running piuparts on universe be? just curious | 07:27 |
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| lucas | stratus: no need to do it if somebody else is doing this already | 07:27 |
| lucas | LaserJock: detect lots of broken packages | 07:28 |
| lucas | like ruby-gnuplot ;) | 07:28 |
| stratus | lucas, sure that's why i asked here first | 07:28 |
| lucas | LaserJock: what's upstream URL ? | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | well, I think ajmitch does that anyway | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | but maybe I'm wrong | 07:28 |
| lucas | LaserJock: he doesn't | 07:28 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I found http://rgnuplot.sourceforge.net/, but 2003 doesn't look like active :-) | 07:28 |
| LaserJock | lucas: yeah, I think they turned into http://rubyforge.org/projects/rgplot/ | 07:29 |
| lucas | found that too ( http://rgplot.rubyforge.org ) but the changelog link is broken | 07:29 |
| lucas | ok, it seems active | 07:29 |
| lucas | do you have a user requesting this ? | 07:29 |
| LaserJock | so what will puiparts give us that unmetdeps and FTBFS don't , or is it just an easier way of getting that info? | 07:30 |
| LaserJock | lucas: no, I'm just trying to clean up science packages | 07:30 |
| lucas | it also checks whether packages install/uninstall correctly | 07:30 |
| lucas | LaserJock: ok, I think you can safely request the removal of ruby-gnuplot | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | seems like somebody would like to have ruby bindings, there are python and perl bindings | 07:31 |
| lucas | (it isn't installable anyway) | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I don't think it will get removed, I don't think that is the way it works in Universe | 07:31 |
| lucas | can you file an RFP and mail debian-ruby@lists.debian.org about this ? | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I suppose | 07:31 |
| LaserJock | I just wondered if there was any interest on the Ruby side, it is more of a science thing but I thought I would ask anyway | 07:32 |
| lucas | yeah I know universe is about getting as many packages as possible, no matter whether they work or are security risks | 07:33 |
| lucas | wait, I'm reviewing the upstream source | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | but if it is 4 years old and upstream is still active it seems like we could do something about it | 07:33 |
| ogra_ibook | lucas, stop being ironic ;) | 07:34 |
| lucas | I'm not ironic, this is true | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | I am still unclear about how apt-get.org stuff gets in, is there a wiki or spec on that? | 07:35 |
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| lucas | dholbach reviews the packages and ask elmo to do the import | 07:35 |
| LaserJock | only dholbach? | 07:35 |
| ogra_ibook | yup | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | ok, well at least I know who to grumble at ;-) | 07:36 |
| ogra_ibook | lucas, we wouldnt put this amount of manhours into it if we wouldnt care about the quality | 07:36 |
| ogra_ibook | elmo reviews all licenses though | 07:37 |
| lucas | I don't critizise the general quality of MOTU work | 07:37 |
| lucas | I only disagree about the policy regarding packages which nobody know of | 07:37 |
| ogra_ibook | "no matter whether they work or are security risks" isnt a critic comment ? | 07:37 |
| dholbach | lucas: we had a *HOT* discussion about this already | 07:38 |
| lucas | it is, about packages like ruby-gnuplot which should have been removed a long time ago | 07:38 |
| lucas | but are still in ubuntu | 07:38 |
| dholbach | then take care of it, tell elmo to remove it, if you are sure about it | 07:38 |
| lucas | (ok, ruby-gnuplot is not really a problem, it just is uninstallable) | 07:38 |
| ogra_ibook | lucas, note that both, dholbach and me opposed the idea totally in the beginning | 07:39 |
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| lucas | and you are now thinking it was a good idea ? | 07:39 |
| ogra_ibook | yes | 07:39 |
| dholbach | believe me: i take this seriously and just to put this into perspective: i imported 40 packages last time | 07:39 |
| dholbach | i gave you my view on this already | 07:39 |
| ogra_ibook | the target is to get *everything* into universe to gain usability | 07:39 |
| dholbach | not "everything" | 07:40 |
| ogra_ibook | but not loose quality | 07:40 |
| lucas | I'm curious about ruby-gnuplot | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | lucas: well, for MOTUScience it isn't to bad because I only came up with 5 packages out of 462 that were a problem | 07:40 |
| dholbach | i see this as an effort to reach out to developers who put work into packages | 07:40 |
| ogra_ibook | dholbach, everything like in 40 packages that match our quality expectations ;) | 07:40 |
| dholbach | It was on Mark's request and I personally think it's a good idea. | 07:41 |
| ogra_ibook | me too ... | 07:41 |
| ogra_ibook | but out of other reasons :) | 07:41 |
| dholbach | A much better one than leave users with an apt/sources.list that is as long as my syslog. :-) | 07:41 |
| lucas | do you know where ruby-gnuplot come from ? I'm just curious | 07:41 |
| ogra_ibook | dholbach, exactly :) | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | lucas: apt-get.org | 07:41 |
| lucas | LaserJock: how did you determine this ? | 07:42 |
| dholbach | maybe it was removed from debian and not removed from ubuntu yet | 07:42 |
| ogra_ibook | lucas, have you looked at apt-get.org ? | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I searched for it there | 07:42 |
| lucas | ah ok :-) | 07:42 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I used your scripts to find science packages in Ubuntu but not in Debian | 07:42 |
| lucas | I was wondering wether there was a automatic way of finding out :) | 07:42 |
| dholbach | kiwamu@debian.or.jp - I wrote him | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | lucas: then I went and tried to track down the 8 that weren't in debian | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | lucas: and now I'm trying to figure out which ones should be updated or removed, etc. | 07:43 |
| lucas | LaserJock: and 5 of them were broken ? | 07:43 |
| lucas | or the broken 5 weren't in this case ? | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | lucas: no, 5 were from apt-get.org | 07:44 |
| lucas | ah ok | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | lucas: probably most were broken | 07:44 |
| dholbach | most what? | 07:44 |
| lucas | topic change: any MOTU has something against notifying DDs that UVF is on the 19th, and that they should really hurry if they want the latest version of your package in ? | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: most of the 5 packages from apt-get.org that are science related | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | but I already got 1 fixed | 07:45 |
| dholbach | cool | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | and I don't think ruby-gnuplot should be that hard either | 07:45 |
| lucas | we haven't received any bug report about it. | 07:45 |
| lucas | users don't care about it | 07:45 |
| LaserJock | there is only 1 package that I don't know about and that is mascyma, I can't find upstream anymore | 07:46 |
| lucas | I'll see what I can do inside the debian ruby team, but there's really no point in including it in dapper | 07:46 |
| dholbach | why not? | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | why not | 07:46 |
| LaserJock | just because it doesn't have a bug doesn't mean it isn't used | 07:46 |
| lucas | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 07:47 |
| lucas | ruby-gnuplot: Depends: libnarray-ruby but it is not installable | 07:47 |
| lucas | E: Broken packages | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | your talking about a pretty small amount of people using it and if they don't know any better the won't file a bug | 07:47 |
| lucas | if people are using it, I'm curious about how they installed it :-) | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | maybe the are using the src | 07:47 |
| lucas | LaserJock: ruby-gnuplot's version is 200101xx. | 07:48 |
| lucas | 5 years ago ! | 07:48 |
| lucas | probably ruby 1.6 or 1.4 code | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | right, but they maybe using upstreams 2005 version | 07:48 |
| lucas | that's why I'll see what I can do inside debian's ruby team | 07:48 |
| dholbach | thanks | 07:48 |
| LaserJock | honestly, if I am not asking you to do it I just wondered if there is any interest | 07:48 |
| lucas | if I have time next week, I'll package it | 07:48 |
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| lucas | (before UVF) | 07:49 |
| lucas | but the current version should be removed from dapper | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | s/if// | 07:49 |
| lucas | good reason: version is 20010125-1 | 07:49 |
| lucas | if we upload 2.2-1 to debian, it won't get synced | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I agree since it should be renamed anyway | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | it should be rgplot | 07:50 |
| lucas | probably libgplot-ruby, following debian's ruby policy | 07:50 |
| lucas | anyway | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | but if you guys don't want to do it that's fine | 07:50 |
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| Q-FUNK | hi! I'd like to know, which lines do I need to put in pbuilderrc to add security and updates? | 07:53 |
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| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 07:55 |
| dholbach | should be pretty straight-forward | 07:55 |
| Q-FUNK | dholbach: is not, actually. | 08:00 |
| Q-FUNK | dholbach: adding "deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper-security main universe" to OTHERMIRROR reports an error. | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I think you can add more with a | perhaps | 08:01 |
| LaserJock | I did it once but I can't remember exactly | 08:02 |
| dholbach | ah yeah, right | 08:04 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 08:08 |
| LaserJock | hi sistpoty | 08:09 |
| sistpoty | hey LaserJock | 08:09 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: well, you can blame me for any merge list breakage, I had a little booboo last night | 08:10 |
| sistpoty | hm? is it gone? *G* | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | I accidentally renamed 2-3 bugs | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | I think it is all taken care of though | 08:10 |
| sistpoty | you renamed them? or reassigned them? | 08:10 |
| LaserJock | renamed | 08:11 |
| sistpoty | did you do some sql-hacking for that? | 08:11 |
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| sistpoty | or did you rename bugs in lp? | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | well, not so much renamed but I accidentally put a different name in LP when I was trying to search | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | for the source package | 08:11 |
| LaserJock | so then it reassigned the bug to me | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | when I renamed it back | 08:12 |
| sistpoty | ah, i c | 08:12 |
| sistpoty | well, then you should care for that merges :P | 08:12 |
| LaserJock | but ajmitch and I took care of it | 08:12 |
| sistpoty | yeah, I got the mail(s)... that rocks! | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | so I actually had the problem with LP not revu.tauware.de I guess, so that means you can't blame me. sweet :-) | 08:14 |
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| sistpoty | hehe, but you can reassign them with update_status (-a iirc) | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: but I did have to move a few to "fixed" with update_status.py so the account did come in handy | 08:16 |
| sistpoty | :) | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | and my MOTUScience lists are rocking too | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | I think the DDs in debian-science are reading them now too | 08:17 |
| sistpoty | nice | 08:17 |
| LaserJock | so now I should probably try to work on the Ubuntu Packaging Guide so we will have something before string freeze ( I think that is the docteam version of UVF or FF) | 08:18 |
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| stratus | ubuntu 1 | 08:29 |
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| lucas | LaserJock: which version of multidistrotools are you using ? | 08:30 |
| lucas | the one from bzr ? | 08:30 |
| lucas | I just did a big commit, you might want to be careful when updating | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | bzr but I haven't updated for a while | 08:32 |
| lucas | ok | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | thanks for the heads up though | 08:33 |
| lucas | where do the "Not in Ubuntu" packages come from ? | 08:33 |
| lucas | Debian, really ? | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | I don't know, I was going to ask that | 08:33 |
| LaserJock | I wonder if name changes would do that | 08:34 |
| lucas | they really are in debian | 08:34 |
| lucas | strange, I don't see them on my listing | 08:34 |
| lucas | s | 08:34 |
| LaserJock | are you exluding them? | 08:35 |
| lucas | yes I am | 08:36 |
| LaserJock | on purpose? | 08:36 |
| lucas | should be ok now | 08:36 |
| lucas | no, wrong copy/paste :-) | 08:36 |
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| Hieronymus | Where can I find information about "install -m" in debian/rules? | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | man install? | 08:39 |
| LaserJock | lucas: what is the URL for your list? | 08:39 |
| lucas | http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html#notinB | 08:39 |
| lucas | (but that's for all of debian & ubuntu, so it includes kernel-* | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | 178 is quite a few | 08:40 |
| LaserJock | but yeah, lots of kernel related stuff | 08:41 |
| lucas | they should be hand-examined | 08:42 |
| LaserJock | so how does Ubuntu know which ones to include, I thought that new Debian packages were automatically included? Maybe a blacklist or something? | 08:42 |
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| lucas | probably | 08:46 |
| lucas | I'm leaving for the week-end soon. Can you investigate this and keep me updated ? not having octave 2.9 is quite a shame :/ | 08:46 |
| LaserJock | I thought there might have been some discussion about it but yes it is a shame | 08:47 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: do you know why some packages aren't in Ubuntu that are in Debian? | 08:53 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: haven't synced them yet? we blacklisted them? | 08:54 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: like what? | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: how can I find out | 08:54 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: octave2.9 | 08:54 |
| dholbach | ask in #ubuntu-devel | 08:55 |
| dholbach | elmo will mostly know | 08:55 |
| dholbach | or somebody else | 08:55 |
| Hieronymus | LaserJock: but can you give me an example package where this is used? | 09:01 |
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| LaserJock | Hieronymus: where what is used? | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | oh, install -m | 09:02 |
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| Hieronymus | LaserJock: yes, but what should the destination be? | 09:02 |
| LaserJock | I have : install -m 0644 plotdrop.png $(PREFIX)/share/pixmaps in a Makefile | 09:04 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 644: "sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu) - Dependencies problem in libgecko-cil" Fix req. for: gecko-sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Fix Released http://launchpad.net/bugs/644 | 09:04 |
| LaserJock | lol, I wasn't talking to you Ubugtu | 09:04 |
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| LaserJock | Hieronymus: but for debian/rules you probably want something like: http://tiber.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html#notinB | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | opps, wrong paste | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | install -m 0644 debian/plotdrop.xpm $(CURDIR)/debian/plotdrop/usr/share/pixmaps/ | 09:05 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 644: "sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu) - Dependencies problem in libgecko-cil" Fix req. for: gecko-sharp libgecko-cil (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Fix Released http://launchpad.net/bugs/644 | 09:05 |
| Hieronymus | LaserJock: thanks. That seems to be the samen amsn uses - but without the $(CURDIR) | 09:07 |
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| dholbach | have a nice evening | 09:22 |
| LaserJock | cya dholbach | 09:23 |
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| crimsun | guh, it's difficult to use cvs once I've used git | 09:52 |
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| Kyral | I don't suppose anyone knows how to get ERC working nicely? | 09:55 |
| LaserJock | install irssi ;-) | 09:55 |
| Kyral | yah yah | 09:56 |
| Kyral | I'm lazy so I don't wanna check Irssi lol | 09:56 |
| LaserJock | and using emacs is lazy? | 09:57 |
| Kyral | bah | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | morning all | 10:07 |
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| crimsun | moin | 10:08 |
| LaserJock | hi ajmitch crimsun | 10:10 |
| crimsun | hi LaserJock | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | not below 100 merges yet? :) | 10:10 |
| LaserJock | as soon as your zope syncs go through it well be ;-) | 10:11 |
| ajmitch | sure | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | but the open bugs is not going down fast enough | 10:13 |
| LaserJock | yeah, less than a week now | 10:14 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: did you send out emails? | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | a nice personalised email to everyone with outstanding merges ;) | 10:16 |
| LaserJock | oh how thoughtful of you | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | listing what packages they had outstanding | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | asking them to hand them back if they didn't have time, or if they were wrongly assigned | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | I got 2 handed back already | 10:17 |
| ajmitch | also asking them to bug motus for reviews | 10:17 |
| LaserJock | how would they be handed back? manually changing them? | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000051.html | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | oops | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7057 | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | I asked them to send an email tol admin@tiber | 10:19 |
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| LaserJock | so who's admin@tiber? | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | it's an alias of a few of us (siretart, sistpoty, \sh, myself) | 10:20 |
| ajmitch | a convenient address for people to contact to get it changed | 10:21 |
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| LaserJock | oh, ok, so more than one. I was just wondering if was going to only one person who might be very busy ;-) | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | no, I'd just get the email & reset the status to unaccepted :) | 10:21 |
| ajmitch | doesn't take much work | 10:21 |
| chillywilly | hi ajmitch | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | hello | 10:22 |
| chillywilly | how goes it? | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | alright | 10:23 |
| chillywilly | cool | 10:23 |
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| chillywilly | did you graduate yet? ;) | 10:23 |
| ajmitch | graduate? what's that? | 10:24 |
| chillywilly | hehe | 10:24 |
| === ajmitch is too lazy to do such things | ||
| chillywilly | :) | 10:24 |
| chillywilly | I love wiki | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | I've been too busy with this ubuntu crack | 10:24 |
| ogra_ | finished degrees are overrated ... | 10:25 |
| ogra_ | totally | 10:25 |
| chillywilly | you're not just saying that because you haven't finished? ;) | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | lol, I'm sooo close, but this Ubuntu stuff is making it hard to want to work | 10:26 |
| ogra_ibook | chillywilly, i have never started ;) | 10:27 |
| chillywilly | bah ;) | 10:27 |
| ajmitch | morning ogra :) | 10:28 |
| ogra | heh | 10:28 |
| === ajmitch feels like doing some debian bug filinf | ||
| ajmitch | filing | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | but alas, it seems that I might be going away & offline for the weekend | 10:28 |
| crimsun | A degree can never replace experience. | 10:28 |
| ajmitch | hopefully I'll be back before UVF :) | 10:29 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: have a good weekend, then :) | 10:29 |
| ogra | chillywilly, i havent even learned a job ... | 10:29 |
| ajmitch | ogra: you just blindly hit the keyboard? | 10:29 |
| crimsun | he's got good aim | 10:29 |
| ogra | chillywilly, the fun is, that none of my firends who studied actually works in the job he/she learned | 10:30 |
| chillywilly | not surprising | 10:30 |
| ogra | since i know its not different with my older sisters friends, the logical conclusion is that it must be overrated :) | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:30 |
| chillywilly | man this day is dragging on | 10:30 |
| chillywilly | I think ajmitch is on the 6 year plan ;) | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | well, darn it this PhD better be worth something | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | 6 year? is that all? | 10:32 |
| === ajmitch should go for a PhD or something | ||
| ogra | and i obviously had quite good jobs the last 18 years, so it cant be such a wrong assumption ;) | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | ogra: except for your current job | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | where they work you like a slave | 10:32 |
| === chillywilly took the 5 year plan ;) | ||
| ogra | thats my own choice ;) | 10:32 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 10:32 |
| ogra | nobody with a whip in my living room ;) | 10:33 |
| === ajmitch would love a job, really :) | ||
| chillywilly | *thwack* | 10:33 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: you're hired ;) | 10:34 |
| ogra | ajmitch, we still search for an experienced QA guy :) | 10:34 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: the problem is 'experience' | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | I have experience introducing bugs | 10:34 |
| ogra | thats a start :) | 10:34 |
| chillywilly | it's funny when you're just sitting in the office and hear somehow burst out laughing real loud down the hall.... | 10:35 |
| chillywilly | TGIF | 10:35 |
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| ajmitch | sigh | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | 'not a branch', bzr says | 10:37 |
| === ajmitch updates from 0.6.2 | ||
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| ajmitch | hey sistpoty | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | ran into some issues with the merge pages yesterday | 10:53 |
| LaserJock | so if the link to ~scott is 404 what does that mean? | 10:53 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: email-sending rocks! | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | manually closing in malone, sometimes didn't show as closed in the merge page | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: heh | 10:53 |
| crimsun | LaserJock: one or more of the ubuntu/debian base versions couldn't be located at the time MoM ran | 10:53 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: did you tag them as fix released or fix commited? | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: fix released | 10:53 |
| sistpoty | hm... | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | and they got reassigned to me | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | so it saw the email | 10:54 |
| sistpoty | yep... I'll need to look over the mail-parser again | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | I reassigned them all to their rightful owner before sending out the email | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | which was a quick hack of a script | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | but it seems to have gotten some response, which is great | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | thanks to LaserJock we got the list of assigned merges down close to 100 | 10:55 |
| sistpoty | :) | 10:55 |
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| LaserJock | ok, so here is a weird one: pessulus is on the "new" list but it has a newer version than sid | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | looks like elmo is back & getting into some syncs | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | newer than experimental, too | 10:58 |
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| LaserJock | so should I get rid of it? | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:59 |
| LaserJock | hmm, is there a way to do it other than sending it to "fixed"? | 10:59 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: I can delete it directly in the database | 11:00 |
| LaserJock | oh, cool | 11:00 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty has super-admin powers | 11:00 |
| Burgwork | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamWiFi <-- should that be renamed MOTUWifi or MOTUNetworking? | 11:00 |
| sistpoty | no, only some sql knowledge ;) | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | Burgwork: it doesn't have anything to do with MOTUs though | 11:01 |
| ajmitch | it's a doc page, not a packaging page | 11:01 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: pessulus is gone | 11:01 |
| LaserJock | muahhaha | 11:01 |
| Burgwork | ajmitch, true | 11:01 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: found the problem: Fix Committed => Fix Released... "Fix Committed" is more than one word | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | nice | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | thanks for fixing | 11:06 |
| sistpoty | np | 11:06 |
| sistpoty | I guess I'll do another update of the merge-db | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | :) | 11:14 |
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| ajmitch | 11:17 < elmo> "allegro4.2", "kde-icons-nuvola", "kde-style-lipstik", "octave2.9", | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | 11:17 < elmo> ^-- MOTUs, that's the list of "BROKEN" packages in josie atm | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | </flood> | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | ;) | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | 11:17 < ajmitch> ok, thanks | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | 11:17 < elmo> if someone would like to examine them, see if they should be synced or merged, that'd be nice, kthx | 11:18 |
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| sistpoty | what's josie? | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | not sure | 11:19 |
| Amaranth | all the buildd tools have women's names :P | 11:19 |
| ajmitch | probably a sync script or something :) | 11:19 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 11:19 |
| === sistpoty will care for kde-icons-nuvola and kde-style-lipstik | ||
| === ajmitch won't have time to care for any of them | ||
| ajmitch | they might be currently blacklisted | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | sweet, I asked about octave1.9 | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | 2.9 rather | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | as these are packages in debian but not in ubuntu | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | yes | 11:21 |
| LaserJock | well, at least some of them | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | octave2.9 & allegro4.2 are | 11:22 |
| LaserJock | well, http://revu.tauware.de/~lucas/versions/all-packages.html has the complete list (178 packages) | 11:23 |
| LaserJock | of not in Ubuntu but in Debian | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | so all 4 of the packages listed are as I said | 11:25 |
| sistpoty | hm... kde-icons-nuvola has different sourcepackages in debian and ubuntu... and it's newer in ubuntu | 11:29 |
| ajmitch | blame Riddell | 11:29 |
| Riddell | hmm? | 11:30 |
| sistpoty | I doubt it's your fault, Riddell ;) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | it's kde-* :) | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | yeah, amu did the ubuntu revision | 11:30 |
| ajmitch | not sure where he got the original package from | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | these packages seem to be packaged differently | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | (debian and ubuntu one) | 11:31 |
| sistpoty | what should we do with it? | 11:31 |
| ajmitch | the ubuntu one is probably packaged from some random hacker, or upstream | 11:32 |
| sistpoty | should I rename the (ubuntu) package? | 11:32 |
| ajmitch | even a rename wouldn't solve upgrade issues | 11:33 |
| sistpoty | I'll ask elmo about it | 11:34 |
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| LaserJock | darn, the "new" list got bigger | 11:47 |
| LaserJock | Riddell said to leave kdeaccessibility | 11:54 |
| LaserJock | could we remove it from the "new" list for now? | 11:54 |
| Riddell | new list? | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | the revu.tauware.de merge list | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | the list of merges that noone is working on | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | for universe | 11:56 |
| Riddell | where's that? | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | there are a few more k* packages listed there, I wonder if they will be similar | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=new | 11:56 |
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| LaserJock | Riddell: would kdeaccessibility be the only one that would come in with a new KDE release? | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | I would think the others would be released independently but I don't know | 11:59 |
| chillywilly | lalala | 11:59 |
| Riddell | LaserJock: they'd all come in | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | Riddell: oh, ok. I would've thought they were seperate. Is that because kdelibs will be different? | 12:00 |
| Riddell | well the whole of KDE is released at the same time | 12:01 |
| Riddell | so I'll update them all at that time | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | ok, sweet | 12:02 |
| ajmitch | see you all later | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | cya ajmitch | 12:02 |
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