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| minghua | Riddell: ping | 04:21 |
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| freeflying_ | Riddell: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/6606 | 04:38 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: guys from ubuntu-kr team report that hi can not activate nabi , which is a korea input method using xim | 04:39 |
| freeflying_ | Riddell: it's seems something wrong with qt pached with qtimmodule | 04:40 |
| \sh | Riddell: why did you delete the website about kde-hal-device-manager? | 04:41 |
| \sh | freeflying_: did they test out the new upload of qt? I patched qtimmodule patch to make it work again...with keyrelease evenets | 04:41 |
| \sh | oh i read the bug report now | 04:42 |
| freeflying_ | \sh is 3.3.5-1ubuntu13? | 04:42 |
| \sh | yes | 04:44 |
| freeflying_ | \sh: it dosen't work too | 04:44 |
| \sh | well...then we're fcked | 04:45 |
| freeflying_ | \sh or we'd remove that patch | 04:45 |
| \sh | well, then katapult is not working anymore | 04:46 |
| freeflying_ | \sh: I meant remove qtimmodule patch | 04:46 |
| \sh | most properly would be removing the whole immodule patch completly | 04:46 |
| \sh | but I wonder, why this patch is proposed to work and everybody should apply it, when it's totally buggy and PITA | 04:47 |
| freeflying_ | \sh I totally agree with you , anyway we shall make input method work with qt/kde program | 04:47 |
| \sh | what do i have to do to enable this korean thing? | 04:48 |
| \sh | I want to see it for myself, so I know now, what is it about :) | 04:48 |
| \sh | freeflying_: can you give me a short introduction? | 04:49 |
| freeflying_ | \sh : I know quite few of korean input method | 04:49 |
| freeflying_ | \sh but I think it may work like scim | 04:50 |
| \sh | actuallhy i don't know anything about input methods at all :) | 04:50 |
| \sh | sometimes I'm really happy to use latin characters | 04:51 |
| \sh | anyways...I'll ask the reporter :) | 04:51 |
| minghua | \sh, freeflying_: I have similar problem with scim in XIM mode, I've added a comment in the bug | 04:54 |
| minghua | although I haven't upgraded my KDE and try again yet | 04:55 |
| \sh | minghua: hmmm...ctrl+space must work :) | 04:55 |
| \sh | minghua: because it's working with katapult | 04:55 |
| \sh | minghua: you don't have katapult installed and started? | 04:56 |
| \sh | minghua: and try to install scim-qtimm | 04:57 |
| minghua | \sh: seems not, what package is it in? | 04:57 |
| \sh | katapult | 04:57 |
| minghua | \sh: well, the whole point of this bug is using input method in XIM mode, which scim-qtimm works around | 04:57 |
| minghua | scim supports three IM mode, but most input methods only support one, namely XIM mode | 04:58 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: can u work with scim-qtimm? | 04:59 |
| minghua | freeflying_: didn't try | 04:59 |
| \sh | well...the thing is, I don't know if the gtk app is sending the right X11KeyRelease events...and if they're received by qt at all... | 04:59 |
| \sh | or to be more precise, if the right X11Key* events are catched up by qt when it was send from gtk apps, because Qt is quite different | 05:00 |
| minghua | I don't know about these things either, the thing I am concerned about is that scim is reported to work in Debian unstable's KDE (without skim or scim-qtimm), while it seems it doesn't in Ubuntu's KDE | 05:01 |
| minghua | I probably will install KDE in my unstable box later to make sure, but that's not my priority | 05:02 |
| minghua | so I didn't even report this bug when I first encountered it | 05:02 |
| \sh | minghua: debian doesn't use qtimmodule | 05:03 |
| \sh | minghua: that is the difference between ubuntu and debian | 05:03 |
| minghua | \sh: exactly | 05:03 |
| minghua | \sh: are you saying qt-immodule can't coexist with XIM? | 05:03 |
| minghua | that would be really bad | 05:03 |
| \sh | minghua: no, this i can't say, because I don't know. What I know is, that the qt immodule patch is proposed to be the default for distributors to have compatiblity between gtk and qt | 05:04 |
| \sh | but somehow this patch is so strange and a PITA... | 05:04 |
| minghua | \sh: not according to what I heard | 05:05 |
| \sh | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software_2fimmodule_2dqt | 05:05 |
| minghua | \sh: my knowledge is that qt-immodule has nothing to do with GTK apps, just as gtk2-immodule has nothing to do with Qt apps | 05:05 |
| minghua | I'm writing a little more in the bug | 05:05 |
| \sh | This project brings functionality similar to the immodule for GTK+ to the Qt library. The main goal of the project is to extend and enhance the input method support in the Qt library, in order to provide a modern and powerful multi-language input system. Our short term goal is to make Qt (especially Qt/X11) "up-to-date" with other X11-based toolkits such as GTK+. We are also focusing on what the input method API should be for future Qt ver | 05:05 |
| \sh | compatiblity is a bad term, I know | 05:06 |
| minghua | yeah, the "up-to-date" here means having the same feature/usability, but not inter-operatability, IMHO | 05:09 |
| \sh | yes | 05:09 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: skim can also work with gtk/gnome program | 05:09 |
| \sh | how do i enable skim or scim-qtimm? | 05:10 |
| minghua | freeflying_: yes, but then skim uses GTK IM mode or XIM mode | 05:10 |
| minghua | there is no way qt-immodule can work in non-qt apps, at least that's what I heard | 05:11 |
| \sh | what do i have to start first to let it work | 05:11 |
| minghua | QT_IM_MODULE=scim kate, I suppose | 05:11 |
| minghua | bug freeflying_ should know better | 05:11 |
| freeflying_ | \sh export QT_IM_MODULE=scim and export QT_IM_SWITCHER=imsw-muti | 05:12 |
| \sh | and then? | 05:12 |
| freeflying_ | \sh; then " skim -d " | 05:12 |
| freeflying_ | or " scim -d " | 05:13 |
| \sh | ok..and now? | 05:13 |
| freeflying_ | \sh you will have skim icon in your tray | 05:13 |
| \sh | nope | 05:13 |
| \sh | not for skim | 05:13 |
| \sh | with scim yes | 05:14 |
| freeflying_ | \sh export XMODIFIERS="@im=SCIM" | 05:14 |
| \sh | ok..now how can I enter some special characters which are non-latin? | 05:14 |
| freeflying_ | \sh if you have intalled skim , then in kde , whether you use scim or skim , skim will start | 05:14 |
| freeflying_ | \sh you'd install some IMEngine like scim-pinyin | 05:15 |
| \sh | just doing it now :) | 05:15 |
| \sh | ok..done | 05:15 |
| freeflying_ | \sh if they can up , you can use ctrl+space to activate | 05:16 |
| \sh | no..doesn't work..scim is running now | 05:16 |
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| freeflying_ | \sh minghua can give you suggestion on how to enable scim | 05:18 |
| \sh | oh well, no accents on french keyboards anymore since the immodule KeyRelease event patch | 05:21 |
| \sh | and after the qt immodule patch | 05:22 |
| \sh | Riddell: about whatever you are dreaming today :) please let us come with a good solution to fix those issues. qtimmodule is such a PITA... | 05:22 |
| \sh | s/come/come up/ | 05:23 |
| \sh | and I'm such a loser because I work with nodeadkeys | 05:24 |
| minghua | \sh: I heard scim fixed deadkeys long ago, but I don't know the detail | 05:24 |
| \sh | minghua: the reporter told me with qt 1ubuntu9 he didn't have any problems | 05:25 |
| minghua | \sh: I only know the GNOME side of input methods, so if you wanna try, I can give you a quick walkthrough | 05:25 |
| minghua | \sh: I saw that, too. I can recompile Qt to hunt down this problem later, but not know | 05:25 |
| \sh | which means that in 1ubuntu10 the immodule patch was actually enabled | 05:26 |
| \sh | minghua: well, we need to get a working (sic!) example of how it should work in qt | 05:26 |
| \sh | well...I think the best is to disable qtimmodule patch for dapper...it makes no sense to have broken code inside | 05:27 |
| minghua | \sh: that's exactly the reason I installed KDE for the first time after three years' using of Linux | 05:27 |
| minghua | \sh: I wanted to write precise and exact howto to use scim in KDE, but... | 05:28 |
| minghua | I don't want to rely on skim/scim-qtimm as they are not available in debian yet | 05:29 |
| \sh | ok...we have a couple of weeks left until Feature Freeze | 05:30 |
| \sh | so we need to dive into this problem or disable this feature | 05:30 |
| \sh | brb | 05:34 |
| \sh | grmpf...I followed the instructions on the scim/skim homepage.. | 05:43 |
| \sh | doesn't help | 05:43 |
| minghua | \sh: do you have a sid environment? | 05:43 |
| \sh | yes chroot on my amd | 05:44 |
| \sh | i386 chroot :) | 05:44 |
| minghua | would you like to try there? | 05:44 |
| minghua | I'm not sure if i386 chroot on amd64 will cause extra problem though... | 05:44 |
| \sh | i don't know...but if you can send me a small howto to sh@sourcecode.de I can test it later this day..because I need to get some more sleep :) | 05:45 |
| minghua | \sh: okay, I'll do that | 05:46 |
| \sh | minghua: cool..thx... | 05:46 |
| \sh | ok..i'm going back to dreamland :) | 05:46 |
| \sh | ok..cu later | 05:47 |
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| minghua | \sh_away: scim walkthrough mail sent | 07:11 |
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| \sh | Riddell: wake up :) it's early in the morning...good for discussing important development decisions ;) | 09:08 |
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| \sh | Riddell: we forgot to install usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/*.so into libqt3-mt package. I just fixed it... | 09:17 |
| === allee noticed that after login addressbook std.vcf of kontact is empty | ||
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| \sh | good morning Hobbsee | 09:27 |
| Hobbsee | evening \sh :) | 09:27 |
| === Hobbsee is exhausted | ||
| allee | Hobbsee: hey only 5 hour more kubuntu work left ;) | 09:30 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 09:30 |
| === Hobbsee is so tired that she'd make stupid erros | ||
| Hobbsee | *errors | 09:31 |
| allee | Hobbsee: yeah, same here last night :( | 09:32 |
| allee | Hobbsee: so something easy for you: Do you use kontact? and the addressbook? | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | allee: no, and no, sorry | 09:33 |
| Hobbsee | what are you looking for? | 09:34 |
| allee | since Friday then I restart kontact the addressbook is empty | 09:34 |
| allee | -rw-r--r-- 1 ach ach 196496 2006-01-14 09:27 std.vcf_6 | 09:35 |
| allee | -rw-r--r-- 1 ach ach 0 2006-01-14 09:27 std.vcf | 09:35 |
| allee | this happens on startup on kontact :( I have to exit kontact, cp the backup, restart | 09:35 |
| allee | no updates here since Friday (only dialup until monday) | 09:36 |
| Hobbsee | just tried creating a contact, shutting all of kontact, opened it again, contact is still there | 09:36 |
| allee | thx, it's strange. Stop (address not empty), start -> address empty. Stop again, cp, start and address is preserved | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not sure if there was an upgrade of kontact in the last couple of days - there may well have been, as a lot of kde stuff was upgraded | 09:38 |
| allee | Hobbsee: thx for trying. Because it works for you I assume the prob will be gone after next update | 09:38 |
| Hobbsee | *nods* - no problems | 09:39 |
| \sh | on 2006-01-06 there was a rebuild of kdepin | 09:39 |
| \sh | kdepim even | 09:39 |
| allee | Hobbsee: side note: you can always check the last update of an pkg with ls -ltr /usr/share/doc. Check date | 09:40 |
| allee | \sh: good. new kdepim. So more hope that prob is gone after next update.thx | 09:40 |
| \sh | allee: so your last dist-upgrade was before the 2006-01-06? | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | ah, i see...thanks allee! | 09:41 |
| allee | ah, there's also new /var/log/dpkg.log | 09:41 |
| allee | \sh no. last up 2006-01-12 22:37 | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | allee: which would be the 12th of jan, wouldnt it? | 09:42 |
| Hobbsee | yes, right | 09:43 |
| \sh | yes.. | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | dont worry about em | 09:43 |
| Hobbsee | *me | 09:43 |
| \sh | kdepim was finally compiled on the 2006-01-08 so you should have latest version :) | 09:43 |
| === Hobbsee was having trouble figuring out which way the dates went...whether it was US date style, or aussie date style | ||
| \sh | YYYY-MM-DD | 09:45 |
| allee | reboot system boot 2.6.15-11-686 Sat Jan 14 09:05 (00:39) | 09:46 |
| allee | reboot system boot 2.6.15-11-686 Fri Jan 13 08:36 (13:59) | 09:46 |
| allee | reboot system boot 2.6.15-11-686 Mon Jan 9 19:54 (3+04:05) | 09:46 |
| allee | reboot system boot 2.6.15-11-686 Sun Jan 8 18:19 (1+01:33) | 09:46 |
| allee | \sh: Monday was very busy. I'm not sure if I just fixed the problem. But yesterday it was defenitely emtpy | 09:47 |
| \sh | strange...should be something else then..but what? | 09:49 |
| allee | \sh: mhmm, I had this long ago too. Can't remember what was the solution (was a fixed upstream). lemme search ... | 09:53 |
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| allee | \sh, Hobbsee_away: Hmm, when I close my two 'not finished yet' Windows and restart kontact (tried 3 times) the problem is gone. | 10:03 |
| allee | \sh, Hobbsee_away: Open the msg in draft folder again. Exit kontact and address book is empty again. yeah! | 10:04 |
| \sh | allee: sounds like upstream :) | 10:05 |
| allee | \sh yes | 10:05 |
| allee | \sh reminds me: is malone now the only ubuntu bts and ready? | 10:06 |
| \sh | allee: yes | 10:06 |
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| Tm_T | *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb62a9278 *** | 10:17 |
| Tm_T | :( | 10:17 |
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| freeflying_ | \sh: ping | 10:44 |
| \sh | freeflying_: pong | 10:45 |
| freeflying_ | \sh have your input method configured ? | 10:45 |
| \sh | freeflying_: no..but we know now what caused the problem (imho) | 10:45 |
| \sh | freeflying_: missing inputmethod plugins :) | 10:46 |
| freeflying_ | \sh I've read your comment on launchpad | 10:46 |
| \sh | freeflying_: i fixed it with the latest upload...so minghua and you can test :) | 10:46 |
| Hobbsee_away | allee: very weird! | 10:46 |
| freeflying_ | \sh : but actually there has libscim.so in that dir | 10:46 |
| freeflying_ | \sh and why can't we use that plugin? | 10:47 |
| minghua | freeflying_: that won't work, since XIM mode need libqxim.so | 10:48 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: can't we use QT_IM_MODULE? | 10:48 |
| minghua | freeflying_: what do you mean? tell everybody "XIM is broken, use Qt IM module instead"? | 10:55 |
| minghua | freeflying_: what are you going to do with IMs without Qt IM mode support? | 10:55 |
| allee | Hobbsee_away: yes, it is. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=120093 Feel free to reproduce ;) | 10:57 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: I just mean although there is no libqxim.so , why dose not libscim.so work ? | 11:02 |
| minghua | freeflying_: why will it? it's not like nabi can use scim's Qt IM module | 11:03 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: but scim can use . | 11:04 |
| minghua | so? the bug is about "nabi is not working in KDE" after all | 11:05 |
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| nlindblad | good morning | 11:06 |
| freeflying_ | minghua: this not noly about nabi but also scim in kde | 11:08 |
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| Hobbsee | allee: looking | 11:13 |
| nlindblad | is the migration finished? | 11:16 |
| \sh | freeflying_: well.I followed the instruction of upstream...about scim and skim | 11:25 |
| \sh | freeflying_: for me it didn't work | 11:25 |
| \sh | freeflying_: but I could make a mistake somehow | 11:25 |
| \sh | freeflying_: so it would be good to test the new package of libqt | 11:30 |
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| Riddell | \sh: aah | 12:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: | 12:03 |
| \sh | [12:02] <minghua> \sh: okay, I have XIM mode working | 12:03 |
| \sh | [12:02] <minghua> \sh: although scim doesn't work well in XIM mode | 12:03 |
| \sh | [12:02] <minghua> \sh: but that's a different issue and it's not specific to KDE (I've seen it in GNOME too) | 12:03 |
| \sh | [12:03] <minghua> \sh: so your fix to libqt3 works | 12:03 |
| \sh | Riddell: means FIXED !!! strike :) | 12:03 |
| Riddell | awooga | 12:04 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: trying flight 3 now | 12:04 |
| nlindblad | Riddell: i386, working fine | 12:04 |
| Riddell | nlindblad: flight 3 /candidate/ still :) | 12:05 |
| Riddell | thanks | 12:05 |
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| nlindblad | I know, but I'm seeing if I can confirm that freeze someone had | 12:06 |
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| \sh | ok one bug fixed...what's next | 12:14 |
| nlindblad | did all permissions vanish during the migration? | 12:16 |
| \sh | nlindblad: permissions? | 12:16 |
| nlindblad | editbug | 12:16 |
| \sh | nlindblad: well...it's different from bugzilla..I would ask in #launchpad about this :) | 12:17 |
| nlindblad | but I'm talking about the permissions I got two days ago | 12:17 |
| nlindblad | to edit bugs at bugzilla.ubuntu.com | 12:17 |
| nlindblad | are those permissions gone? | 12:18 |
| \sh | nlindblad: it's different from bugzilla...I don't think there are some special "permissions" as for bugzilla | 12:18 |
| nlindblad | okey | 12:18 |
| \sh | bugzilla itself is readonly and you can't login anymore | 12:19 |
| nlindblad | but isn't it based on team-approval and stuff? | 12:19 |
| nlindblad | if you're not in the team you can only make suggestions | 12:19 |
| \sh | dunno :) what do you want to do e.g. closing bugs should be possible | 12:24 |
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| nlindblad | I wanna help out | 12:26 |
| nlindblad | confirm, etc. | 12:26 |
| \sh | nlindblad: should work :) try it :) | 12:32 |
| \sh | Riddell: I'm working on the libXft.la issue for kubuntu stuff | 12:33 |
| freeflying_ | \sh I'll have a try on your latest upload qt tommor | 12:34 |
| \sh | freeflying_: no problem :) | 12:34 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I have this qt bug appearing (?) with kopete now http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116176 | 12:55 |
| Tm_T | damn, I usa monospace fonts everywhere | 12:57 |
| Tm_T | s/usa/use | 12:58 |
| Tm_T | oh well... | 12:58 |
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| JRe | It's me or detection of plugged disk in dapper is not working anymore ? | 01:07 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: yes, font/Qt issue, disabling custom fonts "fixed" that crash :/ | 01:09 |
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| \sh | Tm_T: looks like fontconfig fun, when I'm reading this bugreport | 01:14 |
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| Tm_T | \sh: that too | 01:30 |
| Tm_T | \sh: looks like it was just one font triggering this bug or whatever it is | 01:30 |
| Tm_T | so just modifying config file and voila | 01:31 |
| \sh | Tm_T: well..our fontconfig version should be clean, regarding dirk muellers elaboration on this issue | 01:31 |
| Tm_T | should.. | 01:31 |
| Tm_T | well, now I know that that one font may cause problems, so I avoid it | 01:32 |
| Tm_T | it's unusable font anyway :p | 01:32 |
| Tm_T | was set by mistake | 01:32 |
| Tm_T | ...and looks like I'm installing qt updates, compiling stuff like crazy -> | 01:33 |
| \sh | Tm_T: the new package from dapper, which I uploaded a couple of hours ago? | 01:39 |
| pef | someone familiar with laptop functionnality debugging ? | 01:46 |
| \sh | pef: mjg59 :) | 01:46 |
| pef | \sh: thanks for the pointer :) | 01:47 |
| \sh | pef: #ubuntu-laptop :) | 01:47 |
| pef | \sh: i'm there ;) | 01:47 |
| \sh | damn...I rebuild libkipi to forget libXft.la but gwenview wants to have it still... | 01:47 |
| \sh | lets see kdelibs4 | 01:47 |
| pef | \sh: got same problem yesterday when trying to rebuild drip because of broken dependencies | 01:48 |
| \sh | pef: yeah..some lib*.la files still have references...trying to get rid of them | 01:48 |
| \sh | looks like it will be a great adventure for me to find out all the build-deps and checking the -dev packages | 01:49 |
| pef | \sh: the faulty library just need to be rebuild, right ? | 01:49 |
| \sh | pef: normally | 01:50 |
| \sh | but e.g. gwenview have only build-deps named kdelibs4-dev and libkipi-dev and libexif | 01:50 |
| \sh | libexif is clean, libkipi is clean as well | 01:50 |
| \sh | so something is missing...and it looks like that I will find it somewhere in kdelibs4 | 01:50 |
| \sh | kaffeine is clean too :) | 01:50 |
| \sh | after the rebuild | 01:50 |
| pef | will investigate for drip :) | 01:52 |
| tvo | blegh, now konqui crashes whenever I try to d/l an example exam... don't think it's a really smart idea to go debug it before studying :) | 02:02 |
| pef | \sh: found one reference to libXft.la in libavifile, maybe it can be usefull to you if listed in bdepends :) | 02:03 |
| \sh | well...it's not so easy | 02:04 |
| \sh | libavifile? | 02:06 |
| pef | yes | 02:08 |
| \sh | ok rebulding in pbuilder and checking | 02:11 |
| pef | libavifile ? I'm rebuilding it right now :) seems to be a bit longer to build | 02:12 |
| \sh | pef: well..it can build until i tracked down what else is contaminated with libXft.la :) | 02:13 |
| pef | eheh :) | 02:13 |
| \sh | find . -type f -exec grep -l "libXft.la" {} \; &> /home/shermann/libxft.la.lst | 02:13 |
| \sh | this is my first target :) | 02:14 |
| pef | used same method :) but on my dapper chroot the list is narrowed | 02:14 |
| \sh | and some of those build-deps in kdelibs and kdebase are the bad boys :) | 02:14 |
| Tm_T | \sh: I think yes | 02:18 |
| pef | \sh: libavifile was the problem for me...to the new release number, should I increase ubuntux or add build1 (I think no because not a transition) | 02:19 |
| \sh | pef: can you uploads? increase ubuntu version because it's already an ubuntu version...only if it's a debian revision then we add for a rebuild "buildN" | 02:20 |
| pef | \sh: thanks, I will upload it within the hour :) | 02:22 |
| pef | just have to go to work because I forgot keys | 02:22 |
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| \sh | pef_aw: i can upload as well...it's just finished here :) | 02:22 |
| pef_aw | \sh: so do it if you can't wait 1 hour ;) | 02:23 |
| \sh | pef_aw: it's finished right now :) | 02:24 |
| Tm_T | heh | 02:24 |
| pef_aw | \sh: nice :) | 02:24 |
| pef_aw | bbl | 02:24 |
| Tm_T | humm, nice loads, should not compile 5 apps at the same time | 02:25 |
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| \sh | ok...lipstik is cleab | 02:43 |
| \sh | clean even | 02:43 |
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| Tm_T | \sh: tiblit has more configuration :) | 02:54 |
| \sh | Tm_T: what ever this is :) | 02:56 |
| \sh | I have to find the time to bring qinx into ubuntu...nobody wanted to have it in debian, but I like it very much..and it's in my package repository since I started for ubuntu | 02:57 |
| \sh | and actually I'm not afraid anymore to touch qt :) | 02:57 |
| pef | \sh: a question about your last change on drip package | 02:57 |
| \sh | pef: when was it? | 02:58 |
| \sh | last year? I don't remember anything :) | 02:58 |
| crimsun | Qt is pretty sane, but Qt4 has some package issuse | 02:58 |
| crimsun | issues^ | 02:58 |
| \sh | crimsun: did you apply the qt-immodule patch? if so, make sure it installs somehow /usr/lib/qt3/plugins/inputmethods/* | 02:58 |
| pef | \sh: you changed bdepends from libmagick++9-dev to libmagick++6-dev, why not libmagick++-dev instead ? now libmagick++6-dev no longer exists, so the package has broken dependencies | 02:58 |
| crimsun | \sh: looking at the source, it didn't appear to need it | 02:59 |
| \sh | pef: because I think we didn't have such thing like libmagic++-dev | 02:59 |
| crimsun | it does the check differently from Qt3, at least | 02:59 |
| pef | \sh: ok, that what I thought, :) | 02:59 |
| \sh | crimsun: so it's already upstream? :) | 02:59 |
| \sh | crimsun: I mean the patch : | 02:59 |
| \sh | ) | 02:59 |
| crimsun | \sh: well, at least 4.1.0-1 applied it differently | 02:59 |
| \sh | hmmm. | 03:00 |
| \sh | rebuilding kdeutils and pray that there is nothing more for this to do | 03:01 |
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| \sh | ok..gwenview is a bastard | 04:00 |
| Tm_T | ? | 04:01 |
| \sh | I lack at least one implicit build-dep with libXft.la | 04:02 |
| \sh | kdeutils is cleaned, kdeaddons will be cleaned just now | 04:02 |
| Tm_T | ah | 04:03 |
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| allee | \sh: ah, libXft.la. Rebuild libkipi (or better use the relibtoolized version from alioth) and gwenview builds | 04:27 |
| \sh | allee: libkipi is free of libXft.la :) | 04:28 |
| \sh | allee: but I think I have to relibtoolize gwenview...I'll see, when I do the rest...I only lack of one or two packages | 04:28 |
| \sh | kio-apt is just finished | 04:28 |
| \sh | and kdebluetooth is next | 04:28 |
| \sh | so I have time for gwenview :)# | 04:29 |
| allee | \sh: libkexif also done aka rebuild or alioth version that is relibtoolized? | 04:29 |
| \sh | allee: libkexif I need to look later...because it's not in any build-dep of the packages I installed in my chroot :) but thx for reminding me :) | 04:30 |
| allee | \sh yeah, relibtooization if a pain. libs are more or less straight forward but bigger one like digikam are ... | 04:31 |
| allee | ... lots of .la garbage. | 04:31 |
| allee | \sh: ah remind me were I stop with relibtoolize of digikam: A build system patch is needed so LIB_QT=-lqt-mt instead of "-lqt-mt -lroughly_a_dozend_more" | 04:32 |
| \sh | yepp | 04:32 |
| allee | \sh: this would fix all simple apps | 04:33 |
| allee | ... to loose their implizit dependencies (14 afair) | 04:33 |
| allee | \sh fwiw: libkexif is build-dep of digikam and I hope to get 0.8.1 in before 19th. | 04:35 |
| \sh | in ubuntu or debian? :) | 04:36 |
| \sh | hmmm..I wonder why kdebluetooth checks for xmms | 04:37 |
| allee | \sh this time first ubuntu due to deadline issues. I can't wait this time daily new proc and sync | 04:37 |
| \sh | kewl :) | 04:37 |
| allee | \sh: yeah, my way of ubuntu uploading get's me no applyForMOTU++, but debianRelation++ ;) | 04:39 |
| \sh | hahahahaa | 04:40 |
| allee | \sh kdebluetooth bemused uses it: | 04:42 |
| allee | + - bemused, a server for the symbian remote control software | 04:42 |
| allee | + of the same name to control xmms, noatun etc. | 04:42 |
| \sh | hmmm..that it's more funny, that it doesn't find it...must have a look again on the build deps | 04:43 |
| pef | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/freewheeling/+bug/28519 | 04:49 |
| pef | then the programm segfaults... what should I do, upload an installable version, or wait a solution for fixing segfault ? | 04:49 |
| \sh | first of all, fix the dependency | 04:56 |
| \sh | then try to fix the segfault...if it's not possible for you right now, install the fixed depency, and file a bug report about the segfault (don't forget the stacktrace :)) | 04:57 |
| \sh | dependency even | 04:58 |
| pef | ok, thanks :) | 05:00 |
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| tenco | just a question: is dapper already stable enough to be used by an expierenced linux-user, like debian unstable? | 05:05 |
| \sh | dapper is unstable...but stable enough to develop with it :) | 05:06 |
| === Tm_T uses dapper | ||
| Tm_T | and always ready to tell when kernel is broken _again_ ;--P | 05:07 |
| tenco | i am just curios because dapper has a lot of packages i am interested in, like tetex 3 and a DRI module for savage cards | 05:07 |
| tenco | s/DRI module.../xorg 6.7/ | 05:08 |
| tenco | s/xorg 6.7/xorg 7.0/ | 05:08 |
| Tm_T | xorg 7.0 I think | 05:08 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 05:08 |
| tenco | X-D | 05:09 |
| Tm_T | I'm pre-alpha/alpha/beta tester anyway, so dapper is just fine to me | 05:09 |
| tenco | whats UVF? | 05:10 |
| Tm_T | hope it's not Ubuntu version Freeze | 05:11 |
| Tm_T | V | 05:11 |
| crimsun | it's upstream version freeze | 05:11 |
| Tm_T | aye | 05:11 |
| crimsun | with few exceptions, we don't accept newer upstream versions of packages already in the archive | 05:11 |
| Tm_T | crimsun: aye, so that means we're getting stable from now on, I hope atleast :p | 05:12 |
| crimsun | yes, that's the plan | 05:12 |
| tenco | ah, ok. | 05:12 |
| Tm_T | hum, getting busy if I will try get some artwork to release then :p | 05:13 |
| Tm_T | month or two | 05:13 |
| tenco | seems like i will use dapper from now on :-) | 05:13 |
| Tm_T | good | 05:13 |
| tenco | bye! | 05:14 |
| \sh | ok...most of the kde stuff is rebuild and libXft.la clean...gwenview is my last one now | 05:19 |
| \sh | (then libkexif and digikam) | 05:19 |
| crimsun | the dastardly libXft.la | 05:21 |
| \sh | phew | 05:23 |
| allee | \sh Monday or tuesday digikam 0.8.1 will be released. So maybe you can skip digikam (rc1 deb: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/tmp/) | 05:34 |
| \sh | I think I will skip today libkexif as well..gwenview relibtoolizing doesn't help so much..it needs more love...or more rebuilds | 05:34 |
| allee | \sh the external .la files pull in lots of deps :( | 05:35 |
| allee | \sh 'cause Tonio is not here. Is it okay to upload an updated wlassistant pkg to REVU? (Tonio knowns I'm working on it) | 05:36 |
| \sh | why not :) I don't mind who uploaded what to Revu :) | 05:37 |
| allee | \sh 'k. but first my son requires attention. bbl | 05:38 |
| \sh | oh sometimes I'm really brainfcked | 05:46 |
| \sh | I should update my pbuilder at sometime | 05:46 |
| \sh | ok..libkexif | 06:05 |
| \sh | gwenview is clean | 06:05 |
| \sh | libkexif is also clean | 06:10 |
| \sh | allee: ok..digikam can come.. | 06:13 |
| \sh | Riddell: clean up done. | 06:26 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 08:01 |
| Flosoft | my kdesktop is always crashing? | 08:01 |
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| |Flosoft| | hey again | 08:03 |
| gobbe | hey | 08:05 |
| pef | hoy | 08:05 |
| |Flosoft| | my kdesktop crashes constantly :S | 08:06 |
| \sh | how can that be? | 08:09 |
| \sh | hoary breezy dapper? | 08:09 |
| |Flosoft| | breezy with kde 3.5 | 08:09 |
| \sh | hmm...I was running a long time breezy with 3.5 and no crashes... | 08:10 |
| |Flosoft| | there was an update of the packaga a few days ago ... and now it uses 70% ram and CPU | 08:10 |
| \sh | can you try the following: disable kdm/gdm/xdm whatever and start kde via startx | 08:10 |
| |Flosoft| | ??? | 08:11 |
| \sh | to do so, you have to add in ~/.xinitrc startkde | 08:11 |
| \sh | ok..step by step | 08:11 |
| \sh | 1. ctrl+alt+f1 to reach a text console | 08:11 |
| \sh | 2. log into the console | 08:12 |
| |Flosoft| | well via SSH is ok... | 08:12 |
| |Flosoft| | sudo su | 08:12 |
| |Flosoft| | and then? | 08:12 |
| |Flosoft| | vi? | 08:12 |
| \sh | what ssh? | 08:12 |
| |Flosoft| | logged in | 08:12 |
| \sh | no...ctrl+alt+f1 | 08:12 |
| \sh | and you have your local text console | 08:13 |
| \sh | log into this text console | 08:13 |
| |Flosoft| | well remote console is easier to paste the commands ;) | 08:13 |
| \sh | you want have any X just now | 08:13 |
| \sh | so do it now..and configure irssi to connect to freenode :) | 08:13 |
| |Flosoft| | ok ... I am on the console | 08:13 |
| \sh | or write down the stepsa | 08:13 |
| \sh | ok when you are logged in | 08:14 |
| |Flosoft| | I am | 08:14 |
| \sh | sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop | 08:14 |
| \sh | (if this is your login manager for X) | 08:14 |
| \sh | vi ~/.xinitrc | 08:14 |
| \sh | add "startkde" (without quotes) to this file | 08:14 |
| \sh | save it | 08:14 |
| pef | :wq | 08:14 |
| \sh | and then execute: startx | 08:15 |
| \sh | if the crashes happens as well, you will see on your console error messages | 08:15 |
| |Flosoft| | is it ok that xinitrc is an empty file? | 08:15 |
| \sh | yes.. | 08:16 |
| \sh | you create it now | 08:16 |
| |Flosoft| | well it doesn't crash | 08:16 |
| |Flosoft| | I have to kill it | 08:16 |
| \sh | what now..you explained, that your kdesktop is crashing | 08:16 |
| |Flosoft| | because the kdesktop uses too much ressources | 08:16 |
| pef | \sh: aren't errors logged using ~/..xsession-errors when using session manager ? | 08:16 |
| \sh | pef: modern stuff :) i don't trust it :) | 08:17 |
| |Flosoft| | it uses more than 70% of CPU and Ram | 08:17 |
| pef | old school way :D | 08:17 |
| pef | erf | 08:17 |
| \sh | well...why? do you have a big fat background picture? | 08:18 |
| |Flosoft| | nope | 08:19 |
| \sh | strange | 08:19 |
| |Flosoft| | well I had a normal 1280x1024 jpg | 08:19 |
| \sh | did you try to kill it and start it manually? | 08:19 |
| |Flosoft| | but never had any problems with that | 08:19 |
| |Flosoft| | I killed it ... i'll try to restart it | 08:19 |
| pef | have you free disk space left ? (df -h) | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | yes | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | Dateisystem Gre Benut Verf Ben% Eingehngt auf | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | /dev/hda2 18G 11G 6,9G 60% / | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | tmpfs 253M 0 253M 0% /dev/shm | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | tmpfs 253M 13M 240M 5% /lib/modules/2.6.12-10-386/volatile | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | /dev/mapper/Server-Server | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | 278G 216G 48G 83% /server | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | root@Ubuntu:/home/admin # | 08:20 |
| |Flosoft| | ok ... I logged in | 08:21 |
| \sh | ok..you killed kdesktop and restart kdesktop manually | 08:21 |
| \sh | is it increasing memory and cpu again? | 08:21 |
| |Flosoft| | this is after normal login | 08:22 |
| |Flosoft| | 14381 admin 18 0 857m 346m 191m D 6.8 68.7 0:18.10 kdesktop | 08:22 |
| \sh | ok..any possibilty to test dapper on the same machine? i don't think it's a kdesktop problem | 08:23 |
| |Flosoft| | ow ... I see the error | 08:23 |
| |Flosoft| | Invalid entry (missing '=') at ..... | 08:23 |
| |Flosoft| | how can i fix this? | 08:23 |
| \sh | hmm? | 08:24 |
| \sh | but this shouldn't eat the memory | 08:24 |
| |Flosoft| | well it does | 08:24 |
| |Flosoft| | there are millions of messages | 08:24 |
| |Flosoft| | always the same file with a different : | 08:25 |
| \sh | which file? | 08:25 |
| |Flosoft| | one sec ... i'll post a part | 08:25 |
| \sh | ah do it on pastbin | 08:25 |
| |Flosoft| | yes | 08:25 |
| |Flosoft| | ID: 505695 | 08:26 |
| |Flosoft| | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/505695 | 08:26 |
| |Flosoft| | this is just a part | 08:26 |
| \sh | delete the file :) | 08:27 |
| \sh | and check again :) | 08:27 |
| |Flosoft| | ok ... | 08:27 |
| |Flosoft| | works :) | 08:28 |
| |Flosoft| | i'll just restart kde | 08:28 |
| \sh | now, how did you create this .desktop file? | 08:28 |
| |Flosoft| | i think the installer did it :S | 08:29 |
| |Flosoft| | or no ... I did it | 08:29 |
| |Flosoft| | with KDE | 08:29 |
| |Flosoft| | u know ... right click | 08:29 |
| |Flosoft| | shortcut to prog | 08:29 |
| |Flosoft| | wohoo ... I got a desktop :) | 08:29 |
| \sh | ok...try to reproduce your steps towards this .desktop file | 08:30 |
| \sh | and check again if this happens again | 08:30 |
| |Flosoft| | ok ... | 08:31 |
| |Flosoft| | I created the file | 08:31 |
| |Flosoft| | just going to log in again | 08:31 |
| |Flosoft| | works fine | 08:32 |
| \sh | then it was a glitch in the matrix | 08:32 |
| |Flosoft| | hehe yes | 08:32 |
| |Flosoft| | thx anyway for the help | 08:33 |
| |Flosoft| | has anyone used 3ddesktop? | 08:34 |
| |Flosoft| | ow ... and please ... when will there be the KVIRC 3.20 for breezy? | 08:34 |
| |Flosoft| | or maybe more important ... | 08:36 |
| |Flosoft| | how do I fix: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd that it enables on every boot? | 08:36 |
| \sh | |Flosoft|: you can adjust hdparm.conf in /etc | 08:36 |
| |Flosoft| | ok thx | 08:37 |
| \sh | |Flosoft|: if you are sure, that everything is working | 08:37 |
| |Flosoft| | well it is when I add it in the console | 08:37 |
| |Flosoft| | so I just add: hdparm -d1 /dev/dvd to the file? | 08:38 |
| \sh | no | 08:38 |
| \sh | |Flosoft|: man hdparm.conf | 08:38 |
| |Flosoft| | nothing found | 08:39 |
| \sh | uhm? | 08:39 |
| \sh | should be there | 08:39 |
| |Flosoft| | nope | 08:39 |
| |Flosoft| | empty | 08:39 |
| \sh | ok | 08:39 |
| \sh | put | 08:39 |
| \sh | /dev/hdc { | 08:40 |
| \sh | dma = on | 08:40 |
| \sh | } | 08:40 |
| \sh | /dev/hdc is normally your dvd/cd drive, right? | 08:40 |
| |Flosoft| | I thought it is /dev/dvd/ | 08:40 |
| KaiL_ | \sh, that manpage is missing here too - maybe a bug? ;) | 08:41 |
| \sh | |Flosoft|: /dev/dvd is an alias normally | 08:41 |
| \sh | KaiL_: breezy? | 08:41 |
| KaiL_ | jup | 08:41 |
| \sh | hmmm.. | 08:41 |
| |Flosoft| | yep | 08:41 |
| KaiL_ | works for you? | 08:41 |
| \sh | then it is a bug, because on dapper it's there :) | 08:41 |
| |Flosoft| | well I'll try | 08:41 |
| \sh | |Flosoft|: less /etc/hdparm.conf there is a documentation in there | 08:42 |
| KaiL_ | might be, I'm to lazy to boot the test Laptop | 08:42 |
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| jjesse | from friday's daily build to today why are there some many updates of kubuntu? | 09:06 |
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| Flosoft | hey | 10:54 |
| Flosoft | why is kaffeine constantly crashing with Xine? | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | Flosoft: have you looked for a bug report? | 11:02 |
| crimsun | additionally, please provide more precise context | 11:02 |
| Flosoft | well I use the xine engine | 11:19 |
| Flosoft | here is the crashmanager output | 11:21 |
| Flosoft | http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/505956 | 11:21 |
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