[12:03] <duckdown> Can someone help me out, I'm having a problem configuring something and it has to do with 'aclocal' ... Here is the paste:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/7119
[12:06] <Vivaldi> is kde 3.5 faster than kde 3.4?
[12:07] <sorush20> is there a way to make kde stop showing gnome apps int kde
[12:07] <sorush20> 3.5 yes I think so.
[12:07] <sampan> sorush20 only way i know of is to edit the kmenu and delete the gnome entries
[12:10] <sorush20> I think there should be a button .. to just switch them on and off..
[12:11] <seashell11> sorush20 the only way i have ever found is like sampan said, edit the kmenu
[12:12] <sorush20> is there an interactive feature request for ubuntu?
[12:13] <sampan> sorush20  i just moved them into submenus -- that way i don't have to see them, except when i want to, and yet i can still access them via the kmenu
[12:27] <indo> where can I find my icons installed with themes?
[12:27] <nlindblad> indo: /usr/share/icons
[12:27] <indo> thank you
[12:30] <optotron> is there a log created after last boot?
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> hi all
[12:30] <darkheart> optotron: dmesg?
[12:31] <optotron> thanx
[12:31] <optotron> thats it !
[12:31] <darkheart> np =)
[12:34] <neoncode> How do I get my mic to work?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> mic?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> what's that?
[12:38] <neoncode> microphone
[12:39] <Lord_Athur> :O
[12:46] <Steven_M> hi all
[12:47] <leafw> can anyone point to documentation on how to mount an hfsplus partion readonly (up to here no problem) but overriding the permissions on that partition?
[12:49] <redguy> leafw: man mount ?
[12:49] <Steven_M> leafw: do you mean you want to write to hfs+ partition under linux?
[12:49] <leafw> redguy: setting the gid and the uid didn't help
[12:49] <leafw> in the fstab that is
[12:49] <nalioth> leafw: paste your current fstab, please
[12:49] <leafw> man mount didn't help, therefore I'm here
[12:50] <redguy> leafw: elaborate on "didn't help"
[12:50] <Knowerrors> Anyone know how to make firefox have the same human mouse pointer theme as the rest of the programs?
[12:50] <debbie> how do I get KDM as my default Logon screen?
[12:51] <nalioth> debbie: in a konsole, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" and choose the one you want
[12:51] <leafw> redguy: fstab entry for the macosx partition:  /dev/hda4       /mnt/macosx     hfsplus ro,user,uid=500,gid=501 0       0
[12:51] <leafw> redguy: "didn't help" in that setting the proper uid and gid didn't help.
[12:51] <debbie> nalioth: Reloading K Display Manager configuration...kdm not running.
[12:51] <leafw> I umount/mount again, and still permissions are not overriden
[12:52] <nalioth> leafw: here ya go, modify as needed #/dev/sda3      /mnt/macosx     hfsplus rw,auto,umask=000       0       0
[12:52] <leafw> umask? let me read about that one
[12:52] <leafw> thanks nalioth
[12:52] <nalioth> debbie: you have "kubuntu-desktop" installed, yes?
[12:52] <redguy> leafw: :-) and who is the owner? setting gid and uid won't change permissions, it will set the owner only
[12:52] <leafw> redguy: right, me.
[12:52] <debbie> let me triple check
[12:52] <nalioth> leafw: i'd not mount hfs at all
[12:52] <Steven_M> leafw: someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think writing to an hfs+ partition is supported by the kernel.
[12:53] <leafw> nalioth: readonly.
[12:53] <leafw> Steven_M: I never had any intention to write to the hfs.
[12:53] <leafw> I just want to navigate it in full without sudoing
[12:53] <nalioth> leafw: i'd not mount it at all, RO or RW, but that's my personal opinion
[12:53] <redguy> odd, no hfs options in my man mount :/
[12:53] <debbie> nalioth: yes, I have the package "kubuntu-desktop" installed
[12:53] <leafw> nalioth: I've been mounting ro everyday for 5 months, no problem so far.
[12:54] <nalioth> debbie: then in a konsole, type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm" and choose kdm
[12:54] <nalioth> leafw: then have fun
[12:54] <Steven_M> leafw: Oh, sorry
[12:55] <debbie> nalioth: hmm, looks like it may have worked, I'm logging out to try again, thanks
[12:55] <sampan> nalioth  can Mac OSX read/write to linux ext2 or 3 or reiserfs?
[12:55] <nalioth> sampan: yes it can to ext2/3
[12:56] <leafw> sampan: yes, there's a .kext for that
[12:56] <sampan> thanks :)  that would make a dual boot mac even more attractive -- only have to store the documents on one partition
[12:56] <leafw> in the form of a Preferences Pane
[12:56] <nalioth> sampan: yes, you need to d/l the thing from versiontracker.com
[12:57] <sampan> cool :)  now if apple will just put out a 13" of the net intel laptop i'll be set!
[12:57] <sampan> s/net/new
[12:57] <eldnar> Hi nalioth, I wanted to say thank you for building the gaim-irchelper package for me yesterday... Granted it didn't work as it advertised, but thank you nonetheless.
[12:58] <nalioth> eldnar: i did not build anything. if you want a program open your console and type "apt-cache search $PROGRAM_NAME"
[12:58] <leafw> nalioth: the umask setitng in the fstab didn't help in letting a user navigate "root" macosx folders.
[12:58] <nalioth> eldnar: or visit packages.ubuntu.com
[12:59] <nalioth> leafw: you have no business in 'root' OSX folders
[12:59] <leafw> nalioth: true, but I do in my own home dirs, which are 700
[12:59] <nalioth> leafw: that new setting should have let you in
[12:59] <leafw> it didn't.
[12:59] <nalioth> it worked for me (in RW) until it ate my partition
[12:59] <leafw> nalioth: in 'ro', I'm using.
[01:00] <nalioth> leafw: it should make no difference RO or RW
[01:00] <leafw> nalioth: neither the proper gid= and uid= help either
[01:01] <leafw> I just don't get it, the man mount is wrong or the behavior has changed.
[01:01] <nalioth> leafw: that line i pasted you, worked fine for me
[01:01] <leafw> nalioth: sure :) but it doesn't do the job here.
[01:01] <debbie> thanx nalioth :)
[01:01] <nalioth> leafw: don't know what to tell ya
[01:02] <nalioth> debbie: np, share the love (help someone else)
[01:02] <debbie> :)
[01:02] <debbie> gotta go now, take care
[01:02] <leafw> nalioth: what about this one: how to stop the sudo command from cding to the root home dir, and staying where the user is.
[01:02] <leafw> nalioth: again the man sudo didn't help.
[01:02] <nalioth> leafw: i have no clue, i always "sudo $COMMAND"
[01:03] <leafw> nalioth: well, I use sudo where fstab fails.
[01:03] <leafw> nalioth: but then that inconvenience.
[01:05] <leafw> by the way any news on the KDE 3.5 for powerpc? Any official release yet ?
[01:06] <nalioth> leafw: there was a guy working on packages (had the whole repo up for ppc) but they disappeared offline about 3 days ago
[01:06] <leafw> nalioth: I saw it, but I didn't want to get them -not official.
[01:06] <nalioth> leafw: kde 3.5 is not official for anyone in ubuntu land
[01:07] <leafw> nalioth: at least x86 and amd64 have a package on the ubuntu repos
[01:07] <nalioth> leafw: they do?
[01:07] <nalioth> !info kdebase
[01:07] <leafw> it says so in the main kubuntu.org webpage
[01:07] <ubotu> kdebase: (base components from the official KDE release), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 32 kB, Installed size: 72 kB
[01:07] <nalioth> sorry, leafw
[01:08] <leafw> ?
[01:08] <nalioth> the kubuntu.org packages are the same quality as official repos, but they are not official
[01:08] <leafw> at least they are released by the guys who make the CDs. That's all I meant.
[01:09] <Knowerrors> Anyone recommend best looking fonts for kde?  Im currently using Bitstream
[01:09] <nalioth> yes, they are quality and will not destroy your system.  but they still have issues
[01:13] <cyne> anyone know why i have blackdown java installed, and i have the libjavaplugin_oji.so in my /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins and java still isn't working in Konqueror
[01:15] <nalioth> cyne: blackdown is an older java
[01:15] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cyne about java
[01:16] <cyne> oh?
[01:16] <cyne> so blackdown java is not recommended then
[01:17] <nalioth> no, it's an older version. if it works for you, great. if not, there are alternatives
[01:17] <nalioth> ubotu: tell cyne about javadebs
[01:18] <cyne> thankyou :)
[01:20] <rance> I had mysql-server-4.1 installed till I found out that kubuntu doesnt support the mysqli extensions required to connect to a 4.1 or newer mysql server.  I uninstalled all the mysql packages, and I reinstalled them with the old versions of themselves.  Now I get an error when I try to run mysql  syslog seems to say that the database that Im connecting to is the one from the new install, but I never used it, so there is nothing the
[01:20] <rance> how do I get rid of the old db, so I can reinstall?
[01:21] <leafw> by the way, is anyone experiencing kaffeine crashes when closing konqueror (in powerpc breezy), followed by kaffeine running at 100% CPU hanged on the background?
[01:21] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, dangit, ever since I upgraded my arts, it's been crashing with a sig11.. :/
[01:24] <Steven_M> I'm running brezzy badger and I'm wonderinng, is there any way of me getting the recovery mode to ask for my sudo password? At the moment when ever I select recovery mode in my bootloader, Linux boots and gives me immediate root access with no authentication. I don't like that at all.
[01:25] <nalioth> Steven_M: that is what "recovery mode" is
[01:26] <redguy> Steven_M: you can restrict some entries from the boot menu in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:26] <sampan> but if someone has physical access to the box, it's always gonna be insecure
[01:26] <redguy> Steven_M: so that to choose certain entries you would have to supply a password
[01:26] <redguy> true
[01:27] <redguy> as they say physical access == root access
[01:28] <Steven_M> Excellent redguy, thank you :-)
[01:28] <sorush20> how do I get extra keys on my keyboard to work?
[01:29] <Knowerrors> How do you install a cursor theme?  I just downloaded this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28281, and it just has a folder with many files, when I click install theme and browse to that folder, there isn't just one theme file
[01:31] <nalioth> !themes
[01:31] <nalioth> not another one
[01:31] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Knowerrors about themes
[01:33] <Steven_M> redguy and nalioth I have a follow up question.
[01:33] <Knowerrors> nalioth: that didn't help, thx though
[01:34] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i'm not much of a theme guy, kkathman might know
[01:34] <nalioth> Steven_M: your question?
[01:34] <Knowerrors> kkathman: can ya help with installing a mouse theme?
[01:34] <kkathman> I
[01:34] <kkathman> I will try
[01:35] <kkathman> k-menu - system settings
[01:35] <kkathman> mouse
[01:35] <kkathman> hehe
[01:35] <kkathman> unless you have to compile it first
[01:35] <kkathman> Knowerrors: did you get the theme from like kde-org??
[01:36] <chavo> Knowerrors, try copying the directory to ~/.icons
[01:36] <kkathman> chavo!! LTNS!!
[01:36] <chavo> hello kkathman!
[01:36] <Knowerrors> kkathman: the theme is http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28281
[01:37] <chavo> been gone for a couple of months
[01:37] <Steven_M> Is there a way for a nasty hacker to somehow get into root access remotely by exploiting the recovery mode?
[01:37] <nalioth> Steven_M: nope.
[01:37] <Knowerrors> its just a folder full of files that say mouse cursor
[01:37] <kkathman> Knowerrors: did you click on the "how to install" on that page :)
[01:37] <Knowerrors> yup
[01:37] <kkathman> that tells you everything
[01:38] <Steven_M> nalioth: Great :-)
[01:38] <kkathman> Knowerrors: control center = kcontrol
[01:38] <Knowerrors> kkathman: "Select the cursor theme archive" that doesn't work, I clicked on the tar/bz2 file, no good
[01:38] <Knowerrors> kkathman: I know where to go to install new themes in kcontrol
[01:38] <kkathman> ohh no you'll have to untar it I imagine
[01:38] <Knowerrors> I did untar it
[01:39] <Knowerrors> it just shows one folder called cursors
[01:39] <kkathman> ohh sorry Knowerrors I didnt mean to insult :(
[01:39] <Knowerrors> noprob ;)
[01:39] <Knowerrors> its like theres something missing from the archive, I may have to do what chavo said and manually copy the files over
[01:40] <kkathman> Im not 100% sure where those mouse themes are exactly...but maybe in .kde??
[01:40] <kkathman> yah I'd agree with that
[01:40] <kkathman> I wonder if its icons...it might be!
[01:40] <chavo> Knowerrors, put it in a parent directory called Jimmac and then put that in ~/.icons
[01:40] <kkathman> there ya go
[01:40] <Psi-Jack> Okay, When I upgraded my arts package, it now just sig11's.. :/
[01:44] <Knowerrors> chavo: thx :)
[01:44] <chavo> np, that's the them I use also :)
[01:44] <Knowerrors> btw, Im using this them instead of Human, because the icons are the same, and work in all programs including FF, or so I read
[01:44] <Knowerrors> cool
[01:46] <Steven_M> Now for a slightly different question. Does enabling the root account still permanently damage the gui admin tools, or has that been fixed in recent updates? I don't like enabled root accounts, I'm simply curious.
[01:47] <Psi-Jack> It's the arts from the kubuntu packages for 3.5.. Anyone had any problems using that repository for KDE 3.5?
[01:47] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Steven_M about root
[01:47] <Knowerrors> chavo: "~/.icons" thats in my user home right?
[01:47] <chavo> Knowerrors, yes
[01:47] <nalioth> Steven_M: enabling a root account is not advised. please read carefully the info ubotu sent you
[01:47] <chavo> or /usr/share/icons to install for all users
[01:48] <hyperactivecrond> Steven_M: run this command from the terminal: 'echo 'wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo' ' *don't use the 1st set of ' 's, go to the site displayed
[01:49] <AudioMove> An error occurred while loading media:/hdd:
[01:49] <AudioMove> The file or folder media:/hdd does not exist.
[01:49] <Steven_M> ok thanks nalioth :-)
[01:50] <AudioMove> i get the above error everytime i insert s cd/dvd, i such the forums and google but no look, anyone help?
[01:50] <Psi-Jack> Aha! It's akode!
[01:51] <Knowerrors> chavo: I didn't have a /.icons in my home, so I just stuck it in /usr/share/icons... installed now, just gotta restart kde
[01:52] <fdelacruz> gud day
[01:52] <nalioth> Knowerrors: if you dont have one, make one
[01:54] <Knowerrors> its cool, might as well have same icon theme for admin
[01:54] <cyne> can anyone recommend good Kubuntu software for video editing/conversion?
[01:58] <Psi-Jack> cyne: You mean, Linux software?
[01:58] <hyperactivecrond> heh
[01:59] <cyne> Psi-Jack: yes
[01:59] <nalioth> cyne: there are many, in a console type "apt-cache search video"
[01:59] <nalioth> cyne: or search packages.ubuntu.com
[01:59] <cyne> thankyou :)
[01:59] <arrinmurr> cyne: cinelerra for editing, mencoder for conversion
[02:00] <nalioth> arrinmurr: not transcode?
[02:00] <arrinmurr> nalioth: i can't say about that, haven't really used
[02:02] <nalioth> cyne: there are many
[02:05] <Knowerrors> cyne: easier to search using Adept, or Synaptic, and search by description
[02:05] <Psi-Jack> Hmm..
[02:05] <Knowerrors> ffmpeg is great, don't know if it has a gui frontend though
[02:06] <Psi-Jack> Curious. Is there anything I have to do, to get arts to run in realtime mode? Because looking at it's nicelevel, just turning on realtime mode isn't doing it.
[02:06] <nalioth> Knowerrors: several proggies call ffmpeg
[02:07] <Knowerrors> cyne: ffmpeg based is best linux video converting encoding program IMHO
[02:12] <Knowerrors> nalioth: what progs w/ gui front call ffmpeg?  I can't find any in the repos
[02:17] <Psi-Jack> Well, acidrip can use libavc
[02:25] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Speaking of which..
[02:25] <Psi-Jack> libavc could in fact, encode to vorbis, could it not?
[02:34] <Knowerrors> chavo: well, my icon theme is fine for everything except Firefox, there the mouse pointer is still default kde, any ideas?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: i thought you fixed this
[02:35] <Hobbsee> !+firefox
[02:35] <ubotu> firefox is, like, a Free Software web browser that supports extensions and is gaining popularity by the hour. Developed by the Mozilla Foundation. For firefox 1.5, look at !firefox1.5  To use your mouse theme in firefox, see http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=78961
[02:35] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: ^
[02:36] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: I thought I fixed it too :(  , thx
[02:44] <rance> well I ran in to my first real kubuntu problem
[02:45] <rance> there isnt a php_mysqli package available
[02:46] <nalioth> ubotu: tell rance about lamp
[02:50] <sebastian> help
[02:50] <sebastian> just installed kubuntu breezy
[02:51] <fridge> help
[02:51] <fridge> with what?
[02:51] <kkathman> wassup sebastian ?
[02:51] <kkathman> welcome back btw
[02:51] <sebastian> want to: install gaim, firefox, soulseek, upgrade to whatever i have to, download a codec to be able to play wma and mp3s on amarok and this media play xmm
[02:51] <sebastian> and i dont konw how to
[02:51] <sebastian> it wnet well, installling windows and kubuntu
[02:52] <kkathman> sebastian: to start gaim should be on your system I think
[02:52] <kkathman> if not
[02:52] <kkathman> sebastian: do a sudo apt-get install gaim
[02:52] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. What package would mkvmerge be in?
[02:53] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: try apt-cache search mkvmerge
[02:53] <fridge> mkvtoolnix:
[02:53] <sebastian> from konsole?
[02:53] <kkathman> yes
[02:53] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: you'll probably have to build for that one
[02:54] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, cause I don't see it in apt-cache.
[02:54] <fridge> it's in universe
[02:54] <Psi-Jack> Well, I have universe in my sources.
[02:55] <fridge> universe/dapper
[02:55] <sebastian> the graphics are breaky
[02:55] <sebastian> odd
[02:55] <kkathman> 0?
[02:55] <sebastian> i installed this new kubuntu and the graphics are flaky and breaky
[02:55] <kkathman> hmm
[02:55] <sebastian> like the top of a window
[02:55] <sebastian> it will look striped with transparences
[02:55] <Psi-Jack> Doing a search for even mkv, results nothing. :/
[02:58] <sebastian> kkathman: now what do i do?
[02:58] <Psi-Jack> fridge: You say mkvmerge is in mkvtoolnix?
[02:58] <sebastian> firefox
[02:58] <fridge> Psi-Jack: yes
[02:58] <kkathman> wow that sounds very wierd on the graphics stuff
[02:59] <Psi-Jack> fridge: But, I'm not seeing it anywhere..
[02:59] <fridge> I'm running Dapper, it's probably in Dapper but not breezy
[03:00] <fridge> if you're also running dapper, then I don't know what to suggest
[03:00] <Psi-Jack> Ahhh.. Maybe it'll be backports? Which I doubt, too, but hey..
[03:00] <fridge> dist-upgrade, you know you want to ;)
[03:00] <sebastian> kkathman: DONT GO
[03:00] <sebastian> help
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> fridge: Heh. Not just for mkv, I don't.. :p
[03:01] <Psi-Jack> How is K/Ubuntu sid, anyway? Debian's sid is usually horribly broken.
[03:01] <fridge> sebastian: I've had strange video artifacts when initially running ubuntu, it was running the ati driver, I changed it to radeon and everything was OK
[03:02] <Psi-Jack> fridge:  you use the radeon driver, instead of ati?
[03:02] <fridge> yeah, but that problem is particular to my configuration
[03:03] <fridge> I'm just saying maybe it is worth trying a different X driver if one is available
[03:03] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.. I have another system running with an ATI Radeon AiW 8500 DV, and I was suggested to use the fglrx driver.
[03:03] <fridge> Psi-Jack: less broken in comparison -- I've not had any issues really
[03:05] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: we dont have sarge, sid, etch or other, we have a release and a developement version. we release every 6 months
[03:06] <sebastian> fride: what?
[03:07] <sebastian> fridge: how do i fix it?
[03:07] <Psi-Jack> nalioth: Yes, but I did read, Ubuntu does use the sid name for the development version. :p
[03:08] <Hobbsee> Psi-Jack: where'd you read that?  it doesnt use sid at all, anywhere that i've seen
[03:08] <Psi-Jack> But, for me to dist-upgrade to dapper, would also potentially break the other repos I use.
[03:08] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: we do? i thought we called it dapper
[03:08] <Hobbsee> the most it occasoinally uses is "unstable" which it shouldnt
[03:08] <Hobbsee> it's called dapper, especially in all the package names, and all that
[03:09] <sebastian> sudo apt-get install firefox ?
[03:09] <sebastian> will that install firefox?
[03:09] <sebastian> if i type that
[03:09] <crimsun> yep
[03:09] <nalioth> sebastian: i suspect it's mozilla-firefox
[03:10] <nalioth> either or
[03:11] <_eric> did the kubuntu distro replace the kde login screen with their own?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> _eric: yes, kdm instead of gdm
[03:12] <_eric> well, the KDE settings for Login Manager don't work
[03:12] <_eric> none of them affect the weird kubuntu login dialog
[03:14] <Psi-Jack> Aha!
[03:14] <Psi-Jack> I found a mkvtoolnix apt repo for breazy.
[03:17] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: is it official?
[03:17] <Psi-Jack> Official? From Matroska, yes.
[03:17] <sebastian> ok
[03:17] <sebastian> now i need to get a player
[03:17] <sebastian> that will play
[03:17] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: well, i suggest enabling their source repo and building it yourself
[03:17] <Psi-Jack> http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html
[03:17] <sebastian> w4a, mp3, avi, mpeg, wma, wav files
[03:18] <sebastian> suggestions
[03:18] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: my suggestion would be to enable the deb-src for etch and have your local apt build the pkg
[03:18] <nalioth> sebastian: vlc
[03:19] <Psi-Jack> vlc, kaffeiene, and mplayer. Pick one. :)
[03:19] <Psi-Jack> Or all.
[03:20] <sebastian> which is best?
[03:20] <sebastian> or more like
[03:20] <sebastian> easiest
[03:20] <sebastian> loads faster
[03:20] <Psi-Jack> "best" is your own opinion.
[03:20] <sebastian> all graphical
[03:20] <Psi-Jack> Try them all.
[03:20] <sebastian> based on those
[03:20] <Psi-Jack> Use them how you choose.
[03:21] <sebastian> sudo apt-get install vlc ?
[03:21] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sebastian about multimedia
[03:23] <Steven_M> psi-jack: can you get vlc off of the defualt ubuntu repository?
[03:24] <Psi-Jack> Umm.. I don't know, actually. I don't think so..
[03:24] <Psi-Jack> I think it's either in universe or multiverse. But, I honestly don't remember.
[03:25] <Steven_M> ok
[03:25] <jin> hey is this the room we ask about kubuntu stuff?
[03:25] <crimsun> vlc is in universe. I maintain it.
[03:25] <sebastian> so how do i get vlc
[03:25] <jin> like problems, etc
[03:25] <Psi-Jack> jin: Nope. It's just #kubuntu for no reason. :)
[03:26] <Steven_M> thanks crimsun ::)
[03:26] <jin> uhhhh yah, just wondering cause it said something abt that in the tutorial thing
[03:26] <nalioth> sebastian: it's in your private message window
[03:26] <nalioth> jin: ask us a question we can answer please
[03:26] <jin> im new to linux, but need some help, done with the accursed microsoft
[03:27] <Hobbsee> !+ask
[03:27] <ubotu> from memory, ask is Just ask. Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Information like hardware make, model, outputs of commands that you used pasted onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl is important. Better questions more frequently yield better answer. Keeping the question in one line makes it easier to read. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[03:27] <jin> aight, so i need skype, how the hell do i do that with this thing
[03:27] <Hobbsee> !skype
[03:27] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, skype is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages/
[03:27] <Psi-Jack> jin: Also note, there's no need to use vulgarities, here.
[03:27] <sebastian> nalioth: so what is vlc?
[03:28] <crimsun> !info vlc
[03:28] <sebastian> and most importantly what do i do to get it
[03:28] <ubotu> vlc: (multimedia player for all audio and video formats), section universe/graphics, is optional. Version: 0.8.4-svn20050920-3+hal0ubuntu3 (breezy), Packaged size: 5817 kB, Installed size: 13740 kB
[03:28] <nalioth> sebastian: vlc is "videolan client"
[03:28] <sebastian> ok,
[03:28] <nalioth> sebastian: it will play 99% of the audio/video out there
[03:28] <sebastian> how do i ge tit
[03:28] <crimsun> although you probably want the breezy-backports version
[03:28] <nalioth> sebastian: read the URL ubotu sent you
[03:29] <sampan> crimsun, is the backports 0.8.4 ?
[03:29] <crimsun> sampan: I believe so
[03:29] <sampan> k, thanks :)
[03:29] <Black_Chaos> anyone here have any experience with xming and putty?
[03:30] <sebastian> anyway
[03:30] <sebastian> i will be back later
[03:30] <sebastian> have to swtich back to windows
[03:33] <fdelacruz> me putty I used to manage my linux box from my windows client
[03:34] <Psi-Jack> I'm assuming sebastian is dual-booting from the same comp.
[03:34] <Black_Chaos> I'm trying to find out if I can get full X11 access from windows
[03:35] <Psi-Jack> Black_Chaos: WIth an X11 server for windows, sure.
[03:35] <JoshRR> Pardon the newbie question: if I have installed 5.10, how do I upgrade to the DapperFlight 2 version?  Is this done through Adept?  If so, what do I look for?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> !upgrade2dapper
[03:36] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Are you on ritalin?
[03:37] <Black_Chaos> Thats what xming is for. I can open individual programs. Like kwrite will open in a window. What I'm wondering is how/if I can get like full access to KDE.
[03:38] <Psi-Jack> Well, umm.. Doesn't KDE's "desktop sharing" use an implementation of the VNC protocol? If so, just figure out how to use that, and blam!
[03:39] <Black_Chaos> hmmm
[03:52] <jin> aight, so i need skype, how the hell do i do that with this thing?  or a place where i can get codecs?
[03:53] <jin> like an installable codec pack perhaps?
[03:53] <jin> oops, nvm the skype bit there
[03:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jin about multimedia
[03:54] <jin> yes plz do, confusing as hell
[03:54] <jin> got skype to work though
[03:55] <jin> now i need an end all app for my vast media
[03:55] <seadog409> hey nalioth is this ubotu some automatic thing or what? or why are people always asking ubotu to tell someone about something?
[03:56] <nalioth> ubotu: tell seadog409 about yourself
[03:57] <jin> and one more thing, hows dual monitor display with this os... any good?
[03:57] <seadog409> thanks nalioth now some thing are making more sense
[04:09] <smacky_wolf> Hey all, could someone tell me where the apt repositories are?
[04:10] <Psi-Jack> !source-o-matic
[04:10] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:10] <seadog409> /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:10] <smacky_wolf> Thanks, guys.
[04:12] <seadog409> smacky_wolf no prob, thats what we are here for :-)
[04:15] <smacky_wolf> Yay! It works! Kubuntu = win. FOr some reason, I couldn't do a Debian Sarge install, so I tried Kubuntu. And it won.
[04:19] <lapducky_> is there a channel specifically for Dapper *support* issues?
[04:23] <Steven_M> can *ubuntu users install programs directly off of the debian repository?
[04:24] <noirequus> lapducky_: nope. since dapper is prerelease
[04:25] <fdelacruz> guys! just want to ask howcome I couldn't save may files that I access from other machines, it tells that the files is read only,
[04:27] <Steven_M> ubotu: tell Steven_M about root
[04:28] <smacky_wolf> Mmm. Is there any easy way to upgrade my kernel with apt or some such? I'm quite new to this whole affair.
[04:28] <smacky_wolf> !kernel
[04:31] <smacky_wolf> Could someone point me towards a guide for upgrading the kernel?
[04:33] <bosse> Klockan r mycket som bara den nu har jag kollat den hr ocks.....!!!
[04:34] <Psi-Jack> Umm.. English? :)
[04:34] <bosse> Just a little
[04:35] <bosse> Im tired now!!!!!
[04:35] <arrinmurr> !se
[04:35] <ubotu> arrinmurr: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:35] <bosse> I dont know what do you mean????
[04:35] <noirequus> bosse: join #ubuntu-se for swedish
[04:36] <seadog409> lol ubotu sure comes up with quite the things to say
[04:36] <fdelacruz> smacky_wolf, the easiest way to upgrade your kernel is to find the suitable and latest kernel that is under rpm, once you download it you run that packages by this rpm -Uvh packagesname.rpm
[04:36] <bosse> OK Ubuntu se OK
[04:36] <noirequus> fdelacruz: that is highly not advisable
[04:36] <Psi-Jack> fdelacruz: RPm?
[04:36] <bosse> Bye !
[04:37] <Psi-Jack> fdelacruz: Why would you recommend such rubbish here?
[04:37] <noirequus> fdelacruz: that is so wrong, i don't know what else to say.
[04:37] <Psi-Jack> I know what to say. I'm just restraining myself from saying it.
[04:37] <fdelacruz> sorry guys but thats the only way that I know
[04:38] <Psi-Jack> fdelacruz: Ever thought about apt?
[04:38] <fdelacruz> and its work for me
[04:38] <nalioth> fdelacruz: please don't advise using non ubuntu software here
[04:38] <Psi-Jack> nalioth: Rephrase that, to non-ubuntu-packaged software. :)
[04:38] <fdelacruz> nalioth Im sorry, i forgot
[04:38] <nalioth> fdelacruz: i do a lot of things that would make ubuntu devs cringe, but i don't advise those practices here.
[04:39] <fdelacruz> sorry again guys
[04:40] <fdelacruz> I overlook the channel I thought Im on the redhat channel
[04:40] <fdelacruz> sorry again
[04:41] <arrinmurr> heh, i don't think it's that horrible mistake ;)
[04:41] <fdelacruz> so what is the best practice in updating the kernel of "ubuntu"
[04:44] <smacky_wolf> Could I just use Adept?
[04:44] <Psi-Jack> smacky_wolf: Yes, yuou could.
[04:44] <_lapducky> then if GRUB is happy, you just delete any old kernel images you don't want later.  They only burn up aobut 20-56MB each
[04:44] <smacky_wolf> Jack: Ok, thanks.
[04:44] <Psi-Jack> _lapducky: 20-56?
[04:45] <smacky_wolf> Yay for linux on lappys!
[04:45] <_lapducky> that's what I see per image
[04:45] <Psi-Jack> Shoot, I have 3 kernel images, plus memtest86, and still only use 23mb.
[04:46] <_lapducky> uhhh, I don't think memtest even uses initrd or vmlinuz
[04:47] <Psi-Jack> Nope.
[04:47] <Psi-Jack> That's why I specifically excluded it to itself, in that list. :p
[04:47] <_lapducky> I think it hides in the second sector of (hd0)
[04:47] <Psi-Jack> My /boot only has 23MB in it.
[04:48] <Psi-Jack> Hides? No, grub can use it as an image.
[04:48] <_lapducky> Psi-Jack: heh Sarge & bREEzy krnl pkgs don't put all their gak in /boot -- take a look in / as well
[04:49] <_lapducky> meh NM
[04:49] <Psi-Jack> _lapducky: True. I didn't include /lib/modules stuff.
[04:49] <seadog409> well my /boot only shows 14.4 mb and I have four kernels and memtest86
[04:50] <Psi-Jack> seadog409: Hmm, wow.
[04:50] <arrinmurr> is this some kind of comptetition? :)
[04:50] <Psi-Jack> I just have 2.6.12-9-386, 2.6.12-10-386, and 2.6.12-10-k7
[04:51] <Psi-Jack> Course.
[04:51] <smacky_wolf> Why not 2.8?
[04:51] <Psi-Jack> I have installed the grub splashimages, but they... Didn't actually do anything. :/
[04:51] <Psi-Jack> 2.8 is out?
[04:51] <_lapducky>  1 root root   94664 2005-06-30 09:49 memtest86+.bin
[04:51] <smacky_wolf> >.>
[04:51] <smacky_wolf> I think?
[04:51] <smacky_wolf> XD
[04:52] <smacky_wolf> I have no clue.
[04:52] <smacky_wolf> 2.6.15 is apparantly the latest stable
[04:52] <Psi-Jack> Right. :p
[04:52] <_lapducky> quit talking about memtest like it matters that 94664 is BYTES FGS -- heh
[04:52] <_lapducky> =)
[04:53] <Psi-Jack> What firewall does Linux call it's firewall, now? iptables still?
[04:53] <_lapducky> 7
[04:53] <_lapducky> err 'y'
[04:53] <Psi-Jack> Eh?
[04:53] <jager> what's the line for sources.list to enable multiverse?
[04:54] <jager> 5.10
[04:54] <_lapducky> but there is firestarter now for 'click and forget' personal f/w which AFAIK is not only just an iptables wrapper like everything else was
[04:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh.
[04:55] <Psi-Jack> firestarter used to be a wrapper.
[04:55] <smacky_wolf> Yay! Made mp3 work again.
[04:55] <sampan> _lapducky  i think it is just a gui frontend for iptables.  it comes up at boot time, sets my iptables and then exits.
[04:56] <_lapducky> Did you know that the NForce chipset includes *hardware* IPv4 functions
[04:56] <_lapducky> sampan -- go look at their website -- they're claiming more
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> _lapducky: Eh?
[04:56] <sampan> if i restart it, i can change policy on the fly, but it just re-writes iptables and exits
[04:56] <jager> what's the line for sources.list to enable multiverse?
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> !sorce-o-matic
[04:56] <ubotu> Not a clue, Psi-Jack
[04:56] <Psi-Jack> !source-o-matic
[04:56] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:57] <sampan> _lapducky  maybe if you use it for networking (i think it has some extra functionality), but just on one box it just writes iptables and exits -- doesn't stay running.
[04:58] <jager> sourceomatice doesn't mention multiverse?
[04:58] <Psi-Jack> jager: Yes it does.
[04:59] <jager> i must be blind :(
[04:59] <sampan> jager, it's the "ubuntu community supported packages" section
[05:00] <jager> ahhh
[05:00] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[05:00] <jager> thanks ! :)
[05:00] <sampan> sure, np :)
[05:05] <Psi-Jack> hmm.. tuxrip so far, is pretty sweet. Simple, yet powerful.
[05:06] <Psi-Jack> The fact it lets me select the video, audio, and container format, alone, is good. :)
[05:06] <smacky_wolf> Hey, recommend me a winamp-like GUI based audio player. XAMMP?
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> xmms is one...
[05:07] <smacky_wolf> *xmms
[05:07] <smacky_wolf> Is it any good?
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> Don't see why it has to be winamp-like, though. :)
[05:07] <smacky_wolf> Eh, I like winamp
[05:07] <Psi-Jack> What parts of winamp do you like?
[05:08] <Psi-Jack> You remember. Windows and Linux are two totally different worlds. :)
[05:08] <arrinmurr> smacky_wolf: xmms is just fine
[05:08] <smacky_wolf> the small GUI, the global hotkeys, the look of it and also the speed and ML
[05:08] <nalioth> smacky_wolf: winamp and xmms are damn near the same thing. same themes work, etc
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> nalioth: Even the new skins, or just classic skins?
[05:09] <smacky_wolf> OK, cool. I might try that. I didn't want to use amaroK because I made it bork.
[05:09] <arrinmurr> why would anyone want to use the new skins?-)
[05:09] <smacky_wolf> Arrin: They are pretteh? XD
[05:09] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: beep-media-player is a gtk2 fork of xmms, you might look at that, too
[05:09] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: People doo.
[05:09] <smacky_wolf> Same reason I like KDE over hnome
[05:09] <smacky_wolf> *gnome
[05:10] <Psi-Jack> I haven't really decided, for a music playing program, what to actually use, myself. Then again, I haven't looked yet. :)
[05:11] <smacky_wolf> Errr. Had any experiance with kubuntu on an acer extensa, anyone?
[05:11] <smacky_wolf> My built-in wifi card doesn't want to work.
[05:11] <arrinmurr> the old skins are just fine... and they still seem to be among the most downloaded ones in winamp.com
[05:12] <rance> I need some advice does anyone know when ubuntu core will have the php-mysqli (thats mysql enhanced) module available?
[05:12] <nalioth> smacky_wolf: you use ndiswrapper ?
[05:12] <Psi-Jack> Ergh..
[05:12] <smacky_wolf> Erm. >.> No?
[05:13] <nalioth> ubotu: tell smacky_wolf about ndiswrapper
[05:13] <Psi-Jack> Why in the hell does Konquerer insist on auto-opening a konq window on a CD/DVD, THEN prompting what to do? Why? This is a huge annoyance to me.
[05:13] <smacky_wolf> My friend here says ndis is a bad way of doing it.
[05:13] <smacky_wolf> Well, not bad
[05:13] <smacky_wolf> Just, slow.
[05:13] <nalioth> smacky_wolf: results are what counts.
[05:13] <smacky_wolf> or not optimal.
[05:14] <nalioth> smacky_wolf: i use ndiswrapper on customer machines all the time, and have no complaints
[05:14] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: i'd like to know that too
[05:14] <smacky_wolf> Apparantly, my PC uses intel wifi chipset, so it should be able to use a linux driver
[05:15] <rance> psi-jack: you are right, thats strange, I just noticed it when I put in a blank cd to purn it
[05:15] <rance> oops burn it
[05:15] <Psi-Jack> I don't know if it's strictly just Kubuntu's default setup, or KDE itself. but it's fscking annoying
[05:16] <Psi-Jack> Just like the KDE Wallet... It's a nuisance..
[05:17] <smacky_wolf> KDE wallet makes my face :(
[05:17] <rance> I dont really mind the kde wallet so much, at least I know how to turn that off if I want to
[05:17] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. what gstreamer plugin is required to support mp3?
[05:18] <smacky_wolf> ermmmm...
[05:18] <arrinmurr> hrr.. gstreamer.. :/
[05:18] <smacky_wolf> it is.... god, I just set that up a minute ago
[05:19] <smacky_wolf> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:19] <nalioth> gstreamer0.8-mad
[05:19] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, mad? Odd...
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> Wanted to check out amarok
[05:20] <smacky_wolf> Ew. Bigpond.
[05:20] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: install amarok-xine
[05:20] <smacky_wolf> Amarok made me bork. I tried using the media searcher things
[05:20] <jaekco> hey, im setting up kubuntu on me mums pc.. I've used nix for a while but, ive forgotten a few things. The eth0 has been disabled os side, but not bios side, how do i enable this?
[05:20] <Psi-Jack> arrinmurr: I tried that.. But it breaks things..
[05:20] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: hm?
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Err..
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Maybe not..
[05:21] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: do you have the latest version from kubuntu.org ?
[05:21] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, gstreamer's working now.. But, I'm gonna get xine.
[05:22] <smacky_wolf> Ooh, I like Adept.
[05:22] <Psi-Jack> Something, I tried to install before, depended on akode, the beta version, and it caused arts to sig11.
[05:23] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: and you have this version http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.3.7.php ?
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> I have 1.3.7 yes.
[05:24] <arrinmurr> ok. strange..
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> It wasn't amarok-xine, apparently. I may have been mistaken. :)
[05:24] <Psi-Jack> But, I'm using amarok-xine now.
[05:24] <arrinmurr> ah
[05:25] <rance> well nite all I guess Im gonna hit the sack
[05:26] <arrinmurr> even with xine amarok takes about 10x as much processor resources as xmms though, at least on my machine ;)
[05:26] <Psi-Jack> Hehe.
[05:27] <_tom> hey
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Well, looks like amarok does a lot, though. Even has a media library that uses SQL for a medium.
[05:27] <smacky_wolf> And sqLITE
[05:27] <smacky_wolf> or whatever it's called
[05:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Amarok us using only 13% CPU just playing an MP3.
[05:28] <Psi-Jack> mencoder, is still using more, at nice -19, 50-70%.
[05:31] <Psi-Jack> Hmm, is there a KDE-based "task manager" or ktop?
[05:31] <sampan> psi-jack ksysguard has a process table in it
[05:32] <sampan> not sure if that will show cpu usage or not -- haven't tried (just use top for that)
[05:39] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, ksysguard.
[05:40] <sampan> kde kthings of keverything
[05:40] <sampan> kthinks*
[05:41] <arrinmurr> yeah, but gnome thinks about the usability! it's easy to use things when there's nothing to use ;) [sorry :] 
[05:42] <Psi-Jack> LOL
[05:42] <sampan> lol arrinmurr
[05:44] <Psi-Jack> I gotta say, some things gnome makes, is good.
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Quite frankly, I think I'm quite happy with Amarok.
[05:46] <Psi-Jack> Simple, useful, and snazzy. :)
[05:46] <arrinmurr> & heavy
[05:47] <smacky_wolf> It looks a little ugly.
[05:47] <smacky_wolf> And it keeps dying on mine
[05:47] <sampan> the one that shipped with breezy had weird cpu usage for me -- some files 1-2% cpu, others were 20+% -- but the upgraded one is nice and no weird cpu usage
[05:47] <Psi-Jack> I don't care about looks. I want function. I usually play, and minimuze.
[05:47] <smacky_wolf> Even though it works.
[05:47] <smacky_wolf> Ah, OK
[05:47] <smacky_wolf> I want low CPU usage
[05:48] <arrinmurr> smacky_wolf: then xmms is the choise
[05:48] <Psi-Jack> 12% CPU usage, isn't too bad, for a 750MHz AMD DUron.
[05:48] <sampan> smacky_wolf  then for mp3/ogg, xmms and beep are (-at least-) 1-2% lower than amarok for me
[05:49] <Psi-Jack> And with Amarok minimized, not having to to keep the visualization updated, it's only using 5%
[05:50] <arrinmurr> Psi-Jack: ah, but if you keep it minimized, it could as well be xmms :P
[05:51] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: try some console media player like cplay or mpg321
[05:51] <Davey|Work> Is there any way to make Firefox look like a QT app? Am I missing something simple?
[05:52] <Davey|Work> Thunderbird too, for that matter
[05:52] <nalioth> Davey|Work: usually, it would need to be compiled with qt-libs
[05:52] <Psi-Jack> !firefox1.5
[05:52] <ubotu> You can update to firefox 1.5 by following this wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[05:54] <Davey|Work> also, is there a Weather applet for my toolbar?
[05:55] <Psi-Jack> Heh, and mencode is still trecking at 30fps encode.
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, I think Amarok is the music player for me, for the most part. :)
[05:56] <Psi-Jack> Has a dock-icon and all, I can just hide/unhide it with. :)
[06:31] <sebastian> hello pals
[06:32] <sebastian> how do i install vlc onto my kubunter?
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> Umm. Haven't we already went through that with you, sebastian ?
[06:32] <sebastian> no
[06:32] <sebastian> i left
[06:32] <sebastian> i ahd to swtich to windows
[06:32] <sebastian> but onw that you mention
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> It was explained before you left.
[06:32] <sebastian> you did not actually
[06:32] <sebastian> no it was not
[06:32] <sebastian> i was given some link
[06:32] <Psi-Jack> Yes, yes it was.
[06:32] <sebastian> otherwise i wouldnt be here
[06:33] <sebastian> anyroad
[06:33] <sebastian> that s left in past
[06:33] <sebastian> how do i go about now?
[06:33] <Psi-Jack> Run adept. vlc should be listed in there.
[06:34] <nalioth> sebastian: if you haven't already, enable universe and multiverse
[06:34] <Psi-Jack> If not, Go to the Adept menu, Manage Repositories, and enable some of the disabled repos, Apply, and Fetch Updates.
[06:34] <sebastian> irrsi vs konversation
[06:34] <sebastian> whats better
[06:34] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: Whatever you prefer to use.
[06:34] <sebastian> how do i enable universe and multiverse?
[06:34] <sebastian> let me guess
[06:35] <sebastian> i am still learning
[06:35] <sebastian> i go to konsole
[06:35] <sebastian> and somehow
[06:35] <sebastian> open kate
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> No.
[06:35] <Psi-Jack> I told you how.
[06:35] <sebastian> ok
[06:35] <sebastian> opening adept
[06:37] <Psi-Jack> Here we go. Better..
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> !source-o-matic
[06:38] <ubotu> For an easy to use custom sources.list creator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> Go there, click on the Community supported packages. And get the list. Add those deb lines to your repositories.
[06:38] <Psi-Jack> One at a time, and you can do it from adept, and all. :)
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm.
[06:39] <Psi-Jack> What uses the 2.5V power?
[06:40] <_torkel> im having a problem with dvd playback :/
[06:40] <_torkel> the video isnt smooth, stopping at regular intervals for short amounts of time
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> _torkel: What are you using to play it, and what's the problem?
[06:40] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sebastian about repos
[06:40] <_torkel> im using vlc media player now, mplayer didnt work at all (had big sound problems, only noise from speakers)
[06:40] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. Strange.
[06:41] <nalioth> sebastian: if you are comfortable with a command line, irssi is (imho) the best irc client
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> _torkel: From konsole, or something, do sudo hdparm -d1 /dev/cdrom
[06:41] <nalioth> sebastian: if not, i suggest kvirc
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Replace /dev/cdrom with the proper device for your DVD drive.
[06:41] <_torkel> done, enabled
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> _torkel: Now try.
[06:41] <_torkel> Psi-Jack: thanks, it did it :D
[06:41] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> Figured. DMA makes a huge difference.
[06:42] <Psi-Jack> You'll need to do that everytime you boot up, and there's an easy way to enable it to automatically be done for you.
[06:42] <_torkel> how?
[06:42] <sebastian> back
[06:42] <sebastian> i brb-d by the way
[06:42] <sebastian> anyways
[06:43] <sebastian> vlc is not listed in that huge list on adept
[06:43] <nalioth> sebastian: you need to read what ubotu sent you and enable universe and multiverse
[06:43] <Psi-Jack> System Settings, System Services, (Administrator Mode), find hdparm in the list, and mark it to Start during booot.
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: That, and you need to pay attention. :p
[06:44] <Psi-Jack> I'm not going to continue to try to help you if you don't pay attention and actually follow directions, sebastian .
[06:44] <sebastian> lol
[06:44] <sebastian> ok
[06:44] <sebastian> you sound quite annoyed
[06:45] <Psi-Jack> I don't like repeating myself. 3 times, especially.
[06:45] <sebastian> look man i am just trying to learn how to use this fine thing
[06:45] <sebastian> no i clicked on that link ubotu sent me
[06:45] <sebastian> and it just opened a website with something like a guidebook
[06:45] <sebastian> now believe me
[06:45] <sebastian> i am a musician
[06:45] <sebastian> i play guitar
[06:46] <sebastian> have been playing my guitar for my own enjoyment
[06:46] <sebastian> for 7 years
[06:46] <sebastian> if i had read any song books
[06:46] <sebastian> or any of that stuff
[06:46] <sebastian> id sound like one of those trite artists
[06:46] <_kevin> how can i install make-jpkg?
[06:46] <sebastian> but its all about repetition
[06:46] <sebastian> humans learn by repetition
[06:46] <sebastian> now if there was a kubuntu book
[06:47] <_kevin> using adept, i do not see make-jpkg as an option.  I enabled the metaverse, universe repositories.
[06:47] <sebastian> on pdf id probably have it already but these things
[06:47] <sebastian> you have to learn it as you do it
[06:47] <sebastian> like dancing
[06:47] <sebastian> now youre saying i stepped on your toes three times
[06:47] <sebastian> look man im sorry, you dont have to dance with me if you dont want to, first timer here
[06:48] <_kevin> make-jpkg
[06:48] <sebastian> now ill scroll up and look up what you said and do those command things
[06:48] <sebastian> my apologies
[06:48] <sebastian> man
[06:49] <_kevin> help anyone?
[06:49] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _kevin about java
[06:55] <sebastian> now
[06:55] <sebastian> dude
[06:55] <sebastian> kubuntu doenst evne look like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:55] <sebastian> now i dont mean to sound foolish but i cant let that constrict me from asking either you know
[06:56] <sebastian> but this is a first time kubuntu and linux kernel user
[06:56] <sebastian> i dont know how it adds up when this original thing on which this kde thing was based on is suposed to serve as an example to work on a completely different(though similar in whatever matters those who know know) than kubuntu
[06:57] <fridge> KDE Menu -> System -> Adept
[06:57] <sebastian> but back to earlier
[06:57] <sebastian> ok
[06:57] <sampan> sebastian, on the bottom of that page, there is a section specifically for kubuntu
[06:57] <sebastian> see that makes sense
[06:58] <sebastian> kde menu system adept
[06:58] <sampan> it's directions will work -- just no pictures.
[06:58] <sebastian> that makes ense to me
[06:58] <sebastian> im on adept now
[06:59] <_yellowdart> sebastian: now at the top menu.. Adept >> Manage Repositories
[06:59] <sebastian> see
[06:59] <Psi-Jack> Yep. Just like I told him.
[06:59] <sebastian> its not like you have to type it
[06:59] <sebastian> THOUGH YOU KNOW IT
[07:00] <sebastian> and that puts blame onto it
[07:00] <sebastian> but its like copy and paste man
[07:00] <sampan> sebastian  the point is that these same directions are ON that page
[07:00] <sebastian> new repository
[07:00] <sampan> if you can follow the directions here, you could follow the ones on the page too ;)
[07:00] <Psi-Jack> Yep.
[07:00] <sebastian> dude i didnt even know
[07:00] <_yellowdart> sebastian: no...not a new repository
[07:00] <sebastian> the url
[07:00] <sebastian> luckily YOU pasted that link through that data dude
[07:00] <sebastian> uboty
[07:01] <_kevin> arg, fc4 was so much easier
[07:01] <sebastian> ok i am rading the instructions and it stopped making sense
[07:01] <sebastian> From there, enable the Universe repository and the Universe source repository. The "Universe" is the repository that has "universe" listed under the Components column
[07:01] <_yellowdart> sebastian: right click every line that starts with 'deb' or 'deb-src' and ends in 'universe' and select enable
[07:02] <sebastian> breezybackports multi... included?
[07:03] <sebastian> main restricted something
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> I wouldn't do backports just yet
[07:03] <_yellowdart> yeah
[07:03] <sebastian> no or yeah?
[07:03] <_kevin> I have enabled all of the repositories, fetched updates, and i still dont see make-jpkgs
[07:03] <sampan> doesn't really matter either way. some of us have them enabled, others don't -- not a huge difference yet.
[07:03] <Psi-Jack> For a newbie such as yourself, I suggest against the backports.
[07:04] <sebastian> sure dude
[07:04] <sebastian> ok
[07:04] <sebastian> is there some saving to this? like to i have to press enter somewhere
[07:04] <sampan> and after that's done, then go back and add "multiverse" (under "compenent" columns) to each of those lines.
[07:04] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: Apply button.
[07:04] <Psi-Jack> Yes, and the multiverse. :)
[07:05] <sampan> otherwise we'll be doing this all again in a day or so ;)
[07:05] <sebastian> how do you mean add multiverse
[07:05] <sebastian> i go to the lines i enabled
[07:05] <yellowdart> basically if you want to add multiverse, double-click the word 'universe' for each and type it in manually
[07:05] <sebastian> and then i sort of
[07:05] <sebastian> ok so i turn the universes
[07:05] <sebastian> into multiverses
[07:05] <Psi-Jack> No.
[07:05] <sebastian> aye?
[07:05] <Psi-Jack> You add multiverse TO it.
[07:05] <yellowdart> turn universe to universe multiverse
[07:05] <sampan> no, you need both
[07:06] <sebastian> aha
[07:07] <sebastian> done lad
[07:07] <sebastian> now apply again?
[07:07] <nalioth> sebastian: find and replace "universe" to "universe multiverse"
[07:07] <sebastian> done
[07:07] <sampan> sebastian, then hit "apply", then close, then fetch updates
[07:08] <sebastian> holy
[07:08] <sebastian> this goes fast
[07:08] <_kevin> How do I get make-jpkg?
[07:09] <sebastian> nalioth:
[07:09] <sebastian> sebastian: if you are comfortable with a command line, irssi is (imho) the best irc clien
[07:09] <sebastian> what doies that mean in christian?
[07:09] <yellowdart> _kevin: what do you need make-jpkg for?
[07:10] <_kevin> im trying to install jre1.5, and directions i found say to enter: make-jpkg jre-1_5....
[07:10] <yellowdart> it's part of java-package i believe
[07:10] <sampan> sebastian  it means if you don't mind using an irc client that doesn't have a GUI, limited mouse-support, and everything is done via keyboard/text commands, that irssi is the best irc client.  if you prefer a GUI then others are better
[07:10] <_kevin> ahh, ok
[07:10] <_kevin> i will try that
[07:11] <yellowdart> _kevin: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-76735.html
[07:11] <nalioth> sebastian: in what?
[07:11] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _kevin about javadebs
[07:11] <sebastian> nalioth: what would be the best for a newbie who otherwise uses bersirc
[07:11] <sebastian> nin windpows
[07:12] <sebastian> nalioth: adept finished loading the stuff now i see vlc and a couple of codec/plugin thingies listed
[07:12] <sebastian> but they say
[07:12] <nalioth> sebastian: i have no clue what besirc is. i havent used windows since 2000
[07:12] <sebastian> not installed
[07:13] <yellowdart> sebastian: it's all up to what you like...it's like asking someone whether to use vi or emacs :)
[07:13] <nalioth> sebastian: all that you see, is totally without cost to you (except your time spent learning it) you may try as many irc clients as you wish and keep using the one(s) you like
[07:13] <yellowdart> gotta just play with them and see what features you like the most
[07:14] <sebastian> thats like cheating
[07:14] <sebastian> no way
[07:14] <sebastian> i like kubuntu
[07:14] <sebastian> and ill stick to it
[07:14] <sebastian> now what do i do myself with this
[07:14] <sebastian> thus it reads:
[07:14] <sebastian> vlc not installed keep multimedia player for all audio and video formats
[07:15] <sampan> sebastian  the "not installed" is telling you the status of those packages.  if you want to install it, click the button -- it will change to "install" -- then up top, click "commit changes" and it will install anything you have told it to install
[07:15] <sebastian> and then another four rows
[07:15] <Davey|Work> How do I show the sidebar in Konqueror for files?
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> I'd really only install vlx, wxvlc, vlc-plugin-alsa and vlc-plugin-arts
[07:15] <yellowdart> Davey|Work: F9
[07:15] <Psi-Jack> vlx=vlc
[07:16] <sebastian> samoan: i clicked on it and then on install
[07:16] <Davey|Work> yellowdart: permanently?
[07:16] <nalioth> Davey|Work: if you want konq as a file mangler, change or add a menu item to start it in file mangling mode
[07:16] <sebastian> what does it do now?
[07:16] <sebastian> when do i know when to click on commit changes
[07:17] <sampan> sebastian  when you're done choosing the packages you want to install/uninstall
[07:17] <sebastian> i already clicked on the thing it became bigger and clicked on the install button
[07:17] <Davey|Work> nalioth: as opposed to what else would I be using in KDE? Did I miss something? :)
[07:17] <sebastian> do i want to install all the plugins for vlc?
[07:17] <yellowdart> Davey|Work: no, default...if you want you can go to Settings > Configure Shortcuts and change anything you want
[07:17] <sebastian> or it will open all formats regardless
[07:17] <yellowdart> Davey|Work: that goes for any kde app
[07:17] <sampan> sebastian  psi-jack's recommendation was good i think
[07:17] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: I already told you the vlc parts I recommend. You don't need all the plugins.
[07:17] <Davey|Work> yellowdart: you're kidding, right?
[07:18] <sebastian> samoan: which recomendation
[07:18] <sebastian> i missed it
[07:18] <yellowdart> Davey|Work: not at all
[07:18] <Davey|Work> nalioth: really, its been a long while since I used KDE, did they replace Konq for file browsing?
[07:18] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: Scroll back then,.
[07:18] <sebastian> Psi-Jack: so i just install the thing then
[07:19] <nalioth> Davey|Work: i'm sorry, i use consoles. if you want the sidebar to remain a constant, hit f9 to bring it out and then make any other viewing choices (folder vs info view, for instance) then go and save that profile
[07:19] <nalioth> Davey|Work: konq is still the default kde file mangler
[07:19] <sebastian>  I'd really only install vlx, wxvlc, vlc-plugin-alsa and vlc-plugin-arts
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: I already told you my recommendations. If you choose to follow them, that's your perogotive.
[07:19] <sebastian> that?
[07:19] <_jag> how do i reenable the menus in konqueror?
[07:19] <Psi-Jack> vlx = vlc, and yes.
[07:19] <_jag> kde3.5
[07:19] <sebastian> ok
[07:19] <Davey|Work> _jag: ctrl+m :)
[07:19] <sebastian> ill install vlx
[07:19] <_jag> thanks
[07:19] <sebastian> wvlc
[07:20] <_jag> bet thats a faq haah
[07:20] <sebastian> vlc plugin alsa
[07:20] <sebastian> and vlc plugin parts
[07:20] <_jag> do you guys use konqueror as a day to day webbrowser?
[07:20] <sebastian> Psi-Jack: i dont see vlx
[07:20] <sebastian> listed
[07:20] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: vlx = vlc
[07:21] <Psi-Jack> A typo.
[07:21] <nalioth> jager: i use galeon and konq as browsers (also use konq as a visual file mangler)
[07:22] <jager> and konqueror handles, say, the trailers at apple.com ok?
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Hmm.
[07:22] <Psi-Jack> Does Konq have like a tree panel on it?
[07:23] <nalioth> jager: on the trailers at apple.com (which are based on qt7) ymmv
[07:23] <sebastian> isn-t it spelled prerrogative?
[07:23] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: yes...(for file browsing) view > view mode
[07:23] <sebastian> ok i just clicked on commit
[07:23] <Davey|Work> man, the KDE app for configuring my Keyboard is just plain b0rke. Load a blank window :(
[07:24] <sebastian> now it's "downloading"
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Hmm. Tree view? I'm talking about a two-pane mode. Left side being the tree, right side being the files.
[07:24] <Psi-Jack> Kinda like Windows Explorer style.
[07:24] <jager> does konq handle them as well as firefox?
[07:24] <sebastian> Psi-Jack: whats bluetooth? thats new
[07:24] <sampan> krusader with krename is yummy!
[07:24] <yellowdart> ok...F9 then click the folder icon on the left
[07:25] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: I don't do bluetooth.
[07:25] <sebastian> what is it though?
[07:25] <sebastian> like a different irc?
[07:25] <Psi-Jack> sebastian: Ummm. No, Bluetooth is a wireless protocol.
[07:25] <sebastian> cellphones and palms?
[07:25] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: that is standard file-mangling mode in konq. the default konq in kubuntu is the webbrowser mode, iirc
[07:25] <yellowdart> sebastian: bluetooth...used in cell phones a lot for headsets and such
[07:26] <sebastian> ok adapt went blank and now its writing stuff like konsole style only white background
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> Hmm..
[07:27] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: did you get the win explorer style to work?
[07:27] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Not yet.
[07:27] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: hit f9
[07:27] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: F9 then click the folder icon to the left
[07:28] <Psi-Jack> Aha!
[07:28] <yellowdart> if you want to save that as default... Settings > Save View Profile "bla bla bla"
[07:29] <sebastian> nalioth: if i install soulseek for kubuntu will i be able ot get files from my girlfriend eventhough shes on windows?
[07:29] <Psi-Jack> Konq has multiple "view profiles?"
[07:29] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: if you install lisa then you can also use that view to browse your network
[07:30] <Psi-Jack> I already can browse my network. It's great. :)
[07:30] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: yeah, it has multiple views so that it acts different depending on what you're doing (files, web, etc...)
[07:31] <Psi-Jack> Interesting. How do I switch between the profile types? I opened up Konq by the kpanel, which defaults to the "Kobuntu Web" view profile
[07:32] <jager> first thing i did when i installed breezy was make mp3s play, but now that i've upgraded to 3.5 they don't play anymore.  what did i do to them and how do i undo it?
[07:32] <sampan> psi-jack  you can add a konq profiles button that will let you select. or you can set up kmenu entries for the ones you use most
[07:32] <Davey|Work> How do I get a trash can on my Desktop?
[07:33] <Psi-Jack> sampan: The profile button. How would I do that one?
[07:33] <jager> hmm ok it's just amarok that hates mp3s, xmms plays them fine
[07:33] <sampan> psi-jack  in the panel, right-click, add to panel --> special button --> konq profiles
[07:34] <nalioth> sebastian: you should. the protocol doesnt care what OS you use
[07:34] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: it changes based on what protocol you're using...
[07:35] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: make a new launcher on your kicker, put whatever you want konqueror to do in it
[07:35] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: It doesn't seem to, that's why I'm a bit confused about it. When I open up a file location, it doesn't change.
[07:35] <sebastian> nalioth: so if i am on slsk 7 for linux and shes on slsk 7 for windows
[07:35] <sebastian> it should work
[07:35] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: if you click on System > Home Folder then it will start in file mode
[07:36] <nalioth> sebastian: yes
[07:36] <Psi-Jack> yellowdart: Ahh! That'll work. :)
[07:36] <sebastian> adept is back to norma;
[07:36] <sebastian> is vlc installed yet?
[07:36] <sebastian> YES
[07:36] <sebastian> YAY
[07:37] <sebastian> nalioth
[07:37] <sebastian> i remember youa sking uboty if there was slsk for kubuntu
[07:37] <sebastian> how do i go aout getting that??
[07:38] <yellowdart> Psi-Jack: if you put a file path in the URL bar (something like /etc/apt or ~ ) then it should change too
[07:38] <Psi-Jack> Hmm
[07:39] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, now it's starting to learn. :)
[07:39] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sebastian about register
[07:40] <nalioth> sebastian: you register and identify your nick, you can private msg ubotu all you like
[07:40] <sebastian> Sebastian was already taken
[07:40] <sebastian> sorry
[07:41] <sebastian> maybe with no capital s
[07:41] <nalioth> sebastian: so be creative
[07:42] <sebastian>  /msg Unknown command
[07:43] <Psi-Jack> Hmm. That's odd..
[07:44] <yellowdart> ugh...finally got ruby on rails to work with apache and symlinks
[07:44] <Psi-Jack> So far, I can't get any CTCP VERSION request back from anyone, except myself.
[07:45] <jager> does konqueror have a shockwave plugin?
[07:45] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: not uncommon, this server is locked down on some things (due to spambot influence)
[07:45] <nalioth> jager: it does not. only flash
[07:45] <Psi-Jack> Better question, Does Macromedia, err, I mean Adobe, make a Shockwave plugin for Mozilla? The answer is no. Not for *nux.
[07:46] <jager> k
[07:47] <Psi-Jack> Cool. Already at 40% of the phase 2 of my DVD ripping proccess. And I haven't even noticed it running, really. :)
[07:47] <sebastian> ok what do i type to register?
[07:47] <nalioth> !register
[07:47] <ubotu> from memory, register is type /msg nickserv help register (you probably should do this in the server window so that if you mess up you won't reveal your password to the whole channel :))
[07:47] <sebastian> i already typed /msg nickserv register sebastianus <password>
[07:47] <sebastian> and i dont know what happened
[07:48] <sebastian> it said SYNTAX: register
[07:48] <sebastian> and then <password>
[07:48] <sampan> iirc you have to BE the nick you're trying to register
[07:49] <nalioth> yes, sebastian you need to be sebastianus and send /msg nickserv register <password>
[07:49] <sebastian> oh
[07:50] <sebastianus> still
[07:50] <yellowdart> sebastianus: when you '/msg nickserv register' ...it knows it's you ;)
[07:50] <sebastianus> 00:50]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Syntax: REGISTER <password>
[07:50] <sebastianus> [00:50]  [Notice]  -NickServ- Type: /msg NickServ HELP REGISTER for more information
[07:51] <nalioth> sebastianus: you type /msg nickserv register my_wifes_nickname
[07:51] <sebastianus> -NickServ- Your nickname is now registered under the hostmas
[07:51] <nalioth> sebastianus: or w/o you want your password to be
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> Err, screwdriver.
[07:51] <sampan> lol it worked
[07:51] <sebastianus> you have a spelling problem
[07:51] <nalioth> sebastianus: you are registered now.
[07:51] <sampan> he's identified with servies
[07:51] <sebastianus> are you dislexic
[07:51] <sampan> services*
[07:51] <sebastianus> ok
[07:51] <sebastianus> now a HUMAN
[07:51] <Psi-Jack> sebastianus: No comment...
[07:51] <sebastianus> how do i get slsk
[07:51] <sebastianus> !humans
[07:51] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, sebastianus
 I haven't a clue, sebastianus
[07:52] <sebastianus>  ""-Data
[07:54] <nalioth> sebastianus: you need mldonkey
[07:54] <sebastianus> !mldonkey
[07:55] <ubotu> sebastianus: What?
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> nalioth: Do you use mldonkey, yourself?
[07:55] <sebastianus> i dont know
[07:55] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: i do not
[07:55] <admrl> can anyone help me getting ubuntu to open kooka and scan when i hit the scan button..?
[07:55] <Psi-Jack> sebastianus: Adept is your friend, Use it.
[07:55] <nalioth> sebastianus: please dude quit with the !talking
[07:55] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sebastianus about msg the bot
[07:57] <jager> how do i get konqueror to use flash?
[07:59] <yellowdart> jager: did you 'apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla' ?
[07:59] <yellowdart> or select it in adept
[07:59] <jager> yeah, it works in firefox, sorry i should have mentioned that
[07:59] <jager> also about:plugins in konq says that there is a flash plugin
[07:59] <jager> but going to macromedia.com doesn't show any flash in konq, just in firefox
[08:00] <fridge> how do I get KDE to handle URL's differently?
[08:00] <yellowdart> ok, in konq, go to settings > configure konqueror
[08:00] <jager> i'd like to try using konq as my everyday browser
[08:00] <yellowdart> select plugins from the left
[08:00] <yellowdart> "scan for new plugins"
[08:01] <yellowdart> click the 'plugins' tab and you can see if it's there
[08:01] <jager> yep i see libflashplayer.so
[08:01] <yellowdart> open a flash page and it should work
[08:01] <jager> hm.
[08:01] <jager> no change
[08:02] <jager> wait
[08:02] <jager> i see falsh on atomfilms ...
[08:02] <jager> sweet
[08:03] <jager> i dunno why macromedia.com won't show me the flash animation in konq - it will in firefox
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> heh.
[08:03] <Psi-Jack> I just noticed that.
[08:04] <yellowdart> jager: it's because they made their site with flash 8...your driver is 7
[08:05] <jager> why does it work in firefox?
[08:05] <jager> don't they use the same plugin?
[08:05] <yellowdart> jager: now i see what you're talking about...that is odd
[08:05] <Psi-Jack> Actually, it's because Adobe/Macromedia does a browser version check, and Konquerer sends a different browser version than they programed for. :)
[08:06] <jager> argh i really REALLY hate that
[08:06] <yellowdart> jager: BUT technically konq is not supported
[08:06] <Psi-Jack> Yes..
[08:06] <jager> ok then nothing to worry about, thanks Psi-Jack
[08:07] <yellowdart> ok, getting late...time for bed
[08:08] <sampan> can konq be set to send a different browser id?  settings --> configure konq --> browser identification?
[08:08] <sampan> would that fool macromedia?
[08:09] <yellowdart> sampan: you can do that...but be warned, gmail doesnt play nice with that so macromedia may not either
[08:09] <jager> bah that sucks
[08:10] <sampan> yellowdart  yeah, i know about it with gmail -- i just use firefox with gmail for that very reason ;X
[08:10] <nalioth> sampan: sure it can. any browser can.
[08:10] <jager> i don't actually care about macromedia, i was just using as a test page
[08:10] <jager> so i'll just ignore them
[08:10] <yellowdart> jager: most sites should work fine
[08:10] <jager> and focus on getting apple's trailers to work
[08:10] <sampan> nalioth  i was just curious if it would actually fool macromedia -- i know it can spoof it's id
[08:11] <nalioth> sampan: i suspect macromedia checks the flash version
[08:11] <sampan> could be, but the flash plugin works for him under firefox
[08:11] <yellowdart> jager: good luck on that... i'm pretty sure that only quicktime 6 works for linux and they are using 7 at least
[08:12] <jager> works ok in firefox already
[08:12] <jager> at least as well as it ever does
[08:12] <yellowdart> anyhow...i'm out...later
[08:13] <jager> in konq i get popup windows "can't init Audio Driver 'alsasink' - trying another one ..."
[08:13] <jager> and then konq crashes
[08:22] <sebastianus> im insane
[08:22] <nalioth> sebastianus: welcome
[08:42] <jin> PENIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:43] <nalioth> was there a reason for jin's outburst?
[08:43] <Sebastian> for christs] 
[08:43] <Sebastian> how many sebastians are we here
[08:43] <sampan> nalioth  troublemaking?
[08:43] <nalioth> Sebastian: language please
[08:43] <sampan> that's about the only reason i can think of
[08:43] <Sebastian> language?
[08:43] <Sebastian> I'm a quaker
[08:43] <nalioth> i was having computer trouble, i missed all but his departing sentiments
[08:43] <Sebastian> and not even then am i so prudish
[08:44] <sampan> nalioth  that was his ONLY sentiment
[08:44] <sampan> he hadn't said a word until then :)
[08:44] <nalioth> hmm, interesting. tourettes syndrome, maybe?
[08:44] <Sebastian> nalioth: i love that song
[08:45] <sampan> could be -- i wonder what a pyschaitrist would say about tourettes on irc
[08:45] <nalioth> i was just wondering if there was a problem i missed
[08:48] <jager> does kopete have a now playing script like konversation?
[08:48] <sebastianus> nalioth: i wrote a poem
[08:48] <jager> like that?
[08:49] <nalioth> sebastianus: join #kubuntu-offtopic and let us share
[08:49] <nalioth> jager: please dont do that in here
[08:49] <jager> sure
[08:50] <jager> can you do that with kopete though?  i though i read somewhere that the media script in konversation was based on something in kopete
[08:50] <jager> or maybe it only works in kopete on irc ...
[09:51] <nxv_> hi, i am running dapper and have trouble with postgresql. i can start the dbservice, atleast /etc/init.d/postgresql-7.4 says ok, but the port doesn't seem to open. nmap shows no open port and connectionattempts are rejected
[10:03] <fusionfox> is there a way to copy a file from a ntfs partition?, cuase i got access denied
[10:04] <sampan> !ntfs
[10:04] <ubotu> well, ntfs is the filesystem used in Windows 2000 and newer; to automatically mount your NTFS partition: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions, or writing to ntfs is risky and only experimental. Reading is OK
[10:04] <fusionfox> eehh Okey i can read the ntfs partition only i get access denied i wanna know if it is cause i am not root or is a ntfs error?
[10:06] <nalioth> fusionfox: you need to fix your fstab permissions
[10:06] <nalioth> fusionfox: don't do anything with root, it's not that at all
[10:07] <fusionfox> nalioth: and how do i add the permission i putted this ro,umask=0222
[10:08] <nalioth> fusionfox: make it ro,umask=000
[10:08] <nalioth> fusionfox: unmount and remount and you'll be in business
[10:09] <fusionfox> nalioth: thanks man
[10:11] <nalioth> fusionfox: np
[10:14] <fusionfox> nalioth: oh it is not the ntfs partition that is givvng the prob is the lcoation i am sending it, and it  is another HDD that it is owned by root... what an i do?
[10:15] <nalioth> fusionfox: use sudo in a console
[10:17] <fusionfox> jejejejeje cant it be by another way??
[10:17] <fusionfox> never mind ill do it... wont get you guys lose time on silly things
[10:17] <fusionfox> thx again
[10:17] <ilba7r> fusionfox, can you describe in detail what you want
[10:18] <ilba7r> fusionfox, i did not follow your posts from the start so would help if you describe your requirement in detail
[10:19] <eco2geek> Question for you all: Having installed Kubuntu using the DVD, I installed GNOME using the repositories. Now kdm no longer logs me in -- it just blanks the screen and comes up again (kdm, that is).
[10:20] <eco2geek> gdm works. How did I hose kdm, and how do I make it work again?
[10:20] <ilba7r> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[10:20] <nalioth> eco2geek: how did you install gnome?
[10:20] <eco2geek> dpkg-reconfigure kdm doesn't help. I used apt-get install gnome, then used Synaptic afterwards.
[10:20] <fusionfox> is cp copu right??
[10:21] <fusionfox> copy*
[10:21] <nalioth> eco2geek: try sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:21] <nalioth> fusionfox: correct
[10:22] <eco2geek> quote: "kubuntu-desktop is already the newest version."
[10:22] <eco2geek> oops, you said "ubuntu", let me try again.
[10:25] <eco2geek> OK, off to see if that worked :-)
[10:37] <corona> hi there does anyone know a linux video conversion utility for ipod(mepg4)?
[10:42] <asraniel> hi, is there  a shell command so that i can add a text at the begin of a file and not at the end?
[10:42] <nalioth> !cli
[10:42] <ubotu> CLI means Command Line Interface, aka the terminal or console. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands or http://www.linuxcommand.org/ or http://www.tuxfiles.org
[10:43] <nalioth> asraniel: best i can do atm
[10:47] <fusionfox> ehh nalioth i try doing this, sudo cp info /hdb1 and  i get this cp: omitting directory `info'
[10:47] <nalioth> fusionfox: what are you trying to do with info?
[10:47] <ilba7r> fusionfox, you are trying to copy a dir
[10:47] <nalioth> fusionfox: have you done a 'man cp' ?
[10:47] <fusionfox> yea
[10:47] <ilba7r> cp -dir
[10:47] <nalioth> fusionfox: or cp --help
[10:48] <fusionfox> (o_o) oh i see
[10:48] <fusionfox> xD
[10:49] <ilba7r> fusionfox, i might have made a mistake for -dir does not appear to be an option when using man cp
[10:49] <sambagirl> orning is there anyone who knows of PSM for mozilla? how i can update for the complete program usingn apt-get? is there a way? why ubuntu does not include full mozilla i dont understand.
[10:50] <Psi-Jack> Is there an UltraVNC package?
[10:50] <Psi-Jack> sambagirl: But, Ubuntu does have the full mozilla.
[10:50] <nalioth> sambagirl: sudo apt-get install mozilla-psm
[10:51] <nalioth> sambagirl: buenos dias :)
[10:51] <sambagirl> hola
[10:51] <sambagirl> then why does it ask for me to install psm all these times?
[10:52] <sambagirl> thanks brb
[10:53] <ilba7r> always used cp -dir did not notice till now that d i r are three seperate options that will do the trick though :)
[11:01] <sambagirl> everytime i try using mozilla for getting email at cpanel or anywhere i need put logon/pw into it pops up with dialog for PSM what is this?
[11:02] <nalioth> sambagirl: did you restart your mozilla/firefox/galeon/epiphany-browser  after you installed mozilla-psm ?
[11:02] <sambagirl> i remember seeing epiphany
[11:02] <sambagirl> why are there so many browsers on heree? :D
[11:02] <sambagirl> lol
[11:02] <nalioth> sambagirl: your browser. did you restart it after you installed PSM ?
[11:03] <sambagirl> yes
[11:03] <nalioth> then you are getting a weird error
[11:03] <sambagirl> but it still says this.
[11:03] <sambagirl> i am not surprised
[11:04] <sambagirl> i found epiphany browser brb
[11:04] <nalioth> i use cpanel, also. i don't get those errors.
[11:06] <sambagirl> i cannot be opened something about PS<M. It says contact my administrator too.
[11:06] <nlindblad> hello
[11:07] <sambagirl> hi
[11:07] <nalioth> sambagirl: what site is this?
[11:07] <sambagirl> all sites. www.jazzy.net umm www.fusemail.com
[11:09] <sambagirl> yahoo.com mail thing and hotmail.com too anything i need to put in the logon pw option.
[11:09] <nalioth> sambagirl: that is weird. i have no trouble at those sites
[11:10] <sambagirl> do you think it could be because i run apache server in background maybe there is conflict?
[11:11] <nalioth> sambagirl: i'm not sure at all, amiga
[11:12] <sambagirl> that is my favorite computer too amiga.
[11:12] <sambagirl> ok let me try installing flash for konquere. i be back chao esse
[11:12] <sambagirl> fala portugese?
[11:12] <sambagirl> i be back
[11:13] <tmircea> hi
[11:13] <nlindblad> nalioth: hablas espaol?
[11:13] <nalioth> nlindblad: muy muy poquito
[11:14] <nlindblad> nalioth: what does "poquito" mean?
[11:14] <nalioth> nlindblad: 'little'
[11:14] <nlindblad> okey
[11:15] <nlindblad> maybe we shouldn't speak Spanish then since we both seem to be no good at it
[11:15] <tmircea> how do i install mc ?
[11:16] <tmircea> apt-get ?
[11:16] <tmircea> what package
[11:16] <nlindblad> apt-cache search
[11:16] <nalioth> tmircea: enable the universe repository and use apt-get
[11:16] <tmircea> how do i enable this universe
[11:16] <nalioth> nlindblad: i'm a taxi dispatcher in an area with many many spanish speakers
[11:16] <nalioth> ubotu: tell tmircea about repos
[11:17] <nalioth> tmircea: enable multiverse while you're there, too
[11:17] <nlindblad> nalioth: okey, where do you live?
[11:17] <nalioth> nlindblad: join me in #kubuntu-offtopic please
[11:17] <nlindblad> sure
[11:17] <tmircea> ubotu told me about mp3 not abour repositories
[11:17] <ubotu> tmircea: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:17] <tmircea> ubotu needs maintenance
[11:17] <ubotu> tmircea: Are you on ritalin?
[11:18] <tmircea> ?
[11:18] <tmircea> no
[11:18] <tmircea> shut up
[11:18] <ilba7r> !repos
[11:18] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:18] <tmircea> u need to be fixed
[11:20] <nalioth> !repos
[11:20] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[11:22] <penguinzdr> guys have you tried MPlayer CVS?
[11:27] <Hobbsee> tmircea: ubotu is a bot, he only responds to certain commands
[11:27] <Hobbsee> tmircea: telling him to "shut up" isnt one of them
[11:28] <penguinzdr> ubotu: shutup is you shut up!
[11:28] <ubotu> penguinzdr: okay
[11:29] <Hobbsee> penguinzdr: that's even worse
[11:29] <penguinzdr> ubotu: bg is Mozhete da poluchite pomosht za Ubuntu i Kubuntu na bylgarski v kanal #ubuntu na syrvyr irc.unibg.org
[11:29] <ubotu> okay, penguinzdr
[11:29] <penguinzdr> !bg
[11:29] <ubotu> well, bg is Mozhete da poluchite pomosht za Ubuntu i Kubuntu na bylgarski v kanal #ubuntu na syrvyr irc.unibg.org
[11:30] <nlindblad> !se
[11:30] <ubotu> I don't know, nlindblad
[11:31] <penguinzdr> se = svenska?
[11:31] <nlindblad> yepp
[11:31] <nlindblad> !sv
[11:31] <ubotu> nlindblad: Do they come in packets of five?
[11:31] <penguinzdr> heh
[11:31] <penguinzdr> you're good, ubotu!
[11:31] <Hobbsee> !tell penguinzdr about msgthebot
[11:32] <penguinzdr> you should tell nlindblad about stop !guessing
[11:33] <penguinzdr> how long mplayer compiles?
[11:33] <penguinzdr> i'm tired of waiting
[11:33] <Hobbsee> got no idea, probably a while
[11:33] <nlindblad> depends on your environment and how powerful your computer is
[11:33] <penguinzdr> 1.8 GHZ proc
[11:33] <penguinzdr> and 256 MB RAM
[11:34] <nalioth> penguinzdr: 20 -30 minutes at most
[11:35] <nlindblad> the clockfrequency doesn't really matter
[11:35] <nlindblad> nor does the amount of RAM
[11:35] <penguinzdr> i think that's now in the end
[11:35] <penguinzdr> compiling libvo
[11:36] <penguinzdr> libdha...
[11:37] <penguinzdr> finaly!
[11:43] <Psi-Jack> Okay.. This sucks. One of the best features of mIRC is the channel listing and how it sorts the list alphabetically and everything. Konversation, doesn't do that, and croaks on huge listings. :/
[11:43] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: konversation is just ONE of many (and i prefer kvirc-cvs myself)
[11:44] <Psi-Jack> Yeah.. I have kvirc. I used to use it a lot. It's just a pain in the arse to configure it to use a black background, versus the default white background.
[11:44] <nalioth> not kvirc from the repos, kvirc from cvs
[11:44] <nlindblad> Psi-Jack: there's xchat, irssi, bitchx, etc.,etc.
[11:45] <Psi-Jack> I know, there's a ton of IRC clients. I'm looking strictly and only for X11 clients. I have my preferred console client when I'm just in console.
[11:45] <_torkel> hmmm, is there any decent torrent clients available from any deb repositories? like azureus or something
[11:45] <Psi-Jack> I'm an epic4 man, when it comes to console. :p
[11:45] <nalioth> Psi-Jack: there are excellent instructions at kvirc.net on building from cvs
[11:45] <Hobbsee> !+azureus
[11:45] <ubotu> hmm... azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AzureusHowTo
[11:45] <_torkel> not that i require better, but the torrenttracker im downloading from wont let me download until i get a "decent" client
[11:46] <Psi-Jack> _torkel: Hmm, What are you using now?
[11:46] <_torkel> Psi-Jack: ktorrent
[11:46] <Psi-Jack> Hmm...
[11:47] <_torkel> im prefectly ok with it, it's just that my tracker doesnt accept it :P
[11:48] <_torkel> i actually dont prefer azureus due to that it's resource demanding
[11:48] <_torkel> sucks up all my memory etc, but it will do atm
[11:48] <Psi-Jack> Heh, well you /can/ adjust that through the jvm, a bit.
[11:48] <nalioth> _torkel: use bittornado-gui or console version
[12:04] <Steven_M> nalioth: are you here?
[12:07] <nalioth> yes
[12:08] <Steven_M> is there any difference between running the command "sudo su -" and running the command "sudo -i"?
[12:08] <nalioth> sudo su is redundant and unnecssary. sudo -i is the preferred usage
[12:09] <nalioth> and let's not forget
[12:09] <nalioth> !kdesu
[12:09] <ubotu> kdesu is, like, :Use kdesu to run applications with root priveleges, when you  have to. Do *not* do sudo {GUIAPP}; you can muck up your permissions and the config files.   If it is not working, you may need to run "sudo adept-updater "
[12:11] <Steven_M> is there difference between the outcome of sudo -i and sudo su - ?
[12:12] <nalioth> Steven_M: su may break your functionality
[12:13] <Steven_M> why is that? Please note i'm not talking about gui apps.
[12:16] <nalioth> i just preach the choir book, Steven_M i've personally never used 'su' in x/k/ubuntu. the devs say 'sudo -i' is the preferred method, that's the way i say
[12:18] <Steven_M> far enough, thanks nalioth
[12:19] <nalioth> Steven_M: i've not used a root account since 2000, so i'm probably biased toward the sudo model
[12:19] <nalioth> been using linux since 97
[12:20] <tictric_> I've been using linux since 97 either and am using the root account all the time but only on the console and that
[12:20] <tictric_> is where it belongs
[12:21] <nalioth> tictric_: it takes a bit of gettin used to, but i think sudo works fine for all my superuser needs. to each their own
[12:21] <tictric_> nalioth: yep, but I hate typing sudo all the time :-)
[12:21] <nalioth> tictric_: so sudo -i
[12:22] <Steven_M> I like the sudo model too don't get me wrong, I was just interested in the little details.
[12:23] <tictric_> nalioth: I've got nothing to say against sudo and I think it's brilliant for people getting used to linux or unix
[12:25] <tictric_> but I've got my old habits. And maybe it's just about time to reconsider them.
[12:25] <Hobbsee> tictric_: for something like sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade, why not write a shell script that does both at once?
[12:25] <Hobbsee> or set some aliases?
[12:26] <tictric_> I'd type sudo aptitude
[12:26] <Hobbsee> whichever
[12:26] <nalioth> Hobbsee: does have a point. i have all my apt-get things aliased to 3 letters
[12:27] <tictric> I think the way aptitude looks out for packages that are not required any longer is way cool compared to just using apt
[12:27] <Hobbsee> true
[12:28] <nalioth> tictric: our point is, use aliases
[12:28] <nlindblad> aliases is usually a bad habit
[12:28] <nalioth> nlindblad: then a lot of us are very naughty
[12:29] <tictric> I don't alias things that administer the system. Only stuff like *ls -l* or some grep shortcuts
[12:29] <Steven_M> see you all later :-)
[12:29] <nlindblad> unless you have the same .bashrc everywhere and in a SVN/CVS-repository you just make it harder for yourself
[12:30] <tictric> different topic
[12:31] <tictric> I may already've asked this once or twice but anybody knows a way to get my cdrom drives back into media:/ ?
[12:31] <nalioth> my ~/.bashrc is on all my boxes
[12:31] <nlindblad> nalioth: but what if you add in an alias on one machine
[12:31] <nalioth> nlindblad: i run rsync
[12:32] <nlindblad> okey, I rest my case then
[12:32] <nalioth> ?
[12:32] <nalioth> my machines keep themselves mirrored from the master machine
[12:32] <nalioth> for some files
[12:34] <tictric> anybody here running kubuntu on macintosh hardware?
[12:35] <tictric> pity
[12:36] <nalioth> tictric: yes i do
[12:37] <tictric> I'm thinking about getting one of those new macbooks and running a kubuntu installation on it
[12:37] <tictric> but that'll be intel then.
[12:37] <nalioth> tictric: have fun. the broadcome chip driver has come to usefulness, so it should be quite nice
[12:51] <C-O-L-T> which driver should i install for a canon i250
[12:55] <Ilokaasu> I have a problem, my cdrom opens before grub, but not after im logged in ubuntu, cdrom is not mounted
[12:55] <C-O-L-T> which driver should i install for a canon i250
[12:57] <C-O-L-T> canon i250 is a printer
[01:01] <OculusAquilae> hello
[01:01] <OculusAquilae> could somebody say me how i can get a fresh home-folder?
[01:05] <tictric> My son's just started his first kubuntu session to write a story about a mouse family for school :-)
[01:05] <tictric> Anybody knows a nice training software to learn typing?
[01:06] <tictric> He's seven
[01:06] <nlindblad> that's cute
[01:09] <nalioth_zZz> tictric: in console, "apt-cache search typing tutor"
[01:09] <nalioth_zZz> looks to be a couple of em for younguns
[01:10] <nalioth_zZz> good night
[01:10] <tictric> I know that but it
[01:10] <tictric> is rather a game then a systematic trainer
[01:11] <nalioth_zZz> tictric: it's the results you want, not the trip along the way, right?
[01:12] <tictric> don't understand what you mean
[01:12] <nalioth_zZz> tictric: it doesnt matter how one learns. if a fuzzy animal teaches you to swat the bees with certain letters on them or by rote practice, the result is one learns to type
[01:12] <nlindblad> tictric: ktouch
[01:12] <nlindblad> or is that for touchscreen-stuff
[01:13] <nlindblad> tictric: ktouch, seems alright
[01:13] <nalioth_zZz> tictric: learning that is fun has more of a chance to stay with you (these two youth oriented game type typing teachers are from the edubuntu side of the house, btw)
[01:13] <tictric> well I meant it doesn't tell you which fingers are meant for which key as far as I remember
[01:14] <nalioth_zZz> tictric: try them out.
[01:14] <nalioth_zZz> again, adieu
[01:14] <tictric> k
[01:17] <Ilokaasu> why my cdrom is locked ? its not even mounted...
[01:31] <Psi-Jack> Man.. I am so glad that I use KDE. :)
[01:32] <Ilokaasu> be so glad that u tell me how to open my cdrom :D
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> Put it in.
[01:32] <Ilokaasu> its scsi based or something :S
[01:32] <Psi-Jack> Or something? Do you not know?
[01:33] <Ilokaasu> im pretty sure this cdrom is scsi :P
[01:33] <Ilokaasu> or u can tell me why my torrents wont start, firewall is not installed...at least not by me :P
[01:34] <Psi-Jack> Well, what torrent client are you using?
[01:35] <Ilokaasu> triend ktorrent and bittornado
[01:35] <Ilokaasu> just says cant connect...
[01:35] <Ilokaasu> im pretty sure its about some port configuring but i dont have router etc on the way
[01:36] <C-O-L-T> how to convert rpm to deb using alien. I mean what to write in terminal
[01:36] <Psi-Jack> man alien
[01:36] <C-O-L-T> sudo alien or how?
[01:37] <Java_the_Hutt> when i try to compile a C program, compiler complaines it can't find stdio.h or similar basic header files . How can  i fix it ?
[01:37] <Psi-Jack> man alien
[01:38] <crimsun> Java_the_Hutt: install build-essential
[01:38] <Java_the_Hutt> thanks
[01:51] <dreamless> Hey how do i get flash and java installed? I cant get the restricted format guide to work.
[01:55] <Ilokaasu> dreamless:  i got my flash/java from repositories
[01:56] <Ilokaasu> or how is it spelled :P
[01:57] <dreamless> Ilokaasu: i cant find any and i have enabled multiverse reps.
[01:59] <crimsun> dreamless: you need both universe and multiverse enabled
[01:59] <crimsun> dreamless: then you need to install flashplugin-nonfree for Flash support (and restart your browser)
[01:59] <Ilokaasu> huh, i dont have any idea why my cdrom wont open...
[01:59] <crimsun> dreamless: any specific version of Java?
[01:59] <Ilokaasu> its not mounted
[02:01] <gerst> try this for firefox sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[02:02] <crimsun> flashplayer-mozilla is illegally distributed and will be removed from Dapper
[02:02] <Psi-Jack> crimsun: Was it you whom suggested me to use kvirc cvs?
[02:02] <dreamless> crimsun: nope just i can get it to work in firefox and konq.
[02:03] <crimsun> Psi-Jack: probably not
[02:03] <Psi-Jack> Ahh kk. :)
[02:03] <crimsun> dreamless: come again?
[02:03] <Ilokaasu> stupid question of the week
[02:03] <Ilokaasu> whats dapper :P
[02:04] <gerst> the next ubuntu
[02:04] <gerst> http://kubuntu101.blogspot.com/2005/11/installing-macromedia-flash-player.html read this
[02:04] <dreamless> crimsun: i just need java to work within konquerer and firefox i dont care if its suns java or something else GPL like :)
[02:05] <crimsun> dreamless: did you install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin?
[02:07] <Psi-Jack> dreamless: Oh no, trust me, you want sun's java.
[02:08] <gerst> whats the problem with java?
[02:09] <dreamless> crimsun: nope i dont think i have enable all reps. when looking closer what reps. do i need to add to breezy rep list?
[02:10] <dreamless> gerst: thanks! i did get flash to work in firefox, but how do i get it to work in konquerer?
[02:10] <gerst> there is an option in konqueror
[02:10] <gerst> for search for plugins
[02:10] <gerst> it will find it
[02:10] <crimsun> dreamless: universe and multiverse
[02:12] <dreamless> gerst: oh thanks!
[02:12] <gerst> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Plugins
[02:12] <gerst> Scan tab
[02:12] <gerst> Scan for New Plugins button
[02:12] <dreamless> crimsun: okay ill have a look tought i had enable all but since i cant find the java stuff i guess i havent :)
[02:13] <dreamless> gerst: no that dident do the trick :(
[02:13] <gerst> it should be work
[02:14] <dreamless> gerst: in the installation of flash player i chose to install in /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox and not mozilla only think thats might could be why ill have a look 2 sec :)
[02:15] <dreamless> Yes that was the problem :)
[02:15] <dreamless> gerst: thanks alot :)
[02:17] <gerst> np
[02:19] <dreamless> just added the mozilla-firefox dir. to the scan list :)
[02:20] <dreamless> crimsun: no i have both multiverse and universe enabled (uncommeted) also checked in Adept :)
[02:21] <gerst> download this http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/download.jsp
[02:21] <gerst> Move the downloaded file to the created directory:
[02:21] <gerst> sudo mv jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin /usr/java
[02:21] <gerst> than sudo sh ./jre-1_5_0_06-linux-i586.bin
[02:22] <dreamless> gerst: but will all this manual installing mock up apt-get features of updating?
[02:22] <gerst> than
[02:22] <gerst> cd /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/
[02:22] <gerst> it will be ok I think
[02:22] <gerst> its ok for me
[02:22] <dreamless> will apt find the apps i install manually?
[02:23] <gerst> read here http://zerlinna.blogspot.com/2005/10/setting-up-firefox-i-iii.html
[02:23] <dreamless> okay thanks
[02:23] <dreamless> ill look into it..
[02:24] <dreamless> kubuntu would be the best distro i have ever touched if it wasent because all these formats wasent restricted!
[02:24] <dreamless> Basic users need to have java, flash, dvd and so on enabled.....
[02:25] <gerst> you can install them in a few minutes
[02:25] <gerst> and use them for months ... years :D
[02:27] <dreamless> gerst: yeah but its still to hard for the basic user :)
[02:56] <Storkme> kde is fugly
[02:57] <Storkme> whoops
[02:57] <crimsun> uhh yeah.
[02:57] <gerst> pff what an idiot
[03:14] <_ale> hi, i'm a seasoned debian user moved recently to kubuntu, what is the correct way to get a more recent kernel than the stock one (i need some recently added driver)
[03:14] <crimsun> _ale: pretty much the same way you'd do it in Debian
[03:14] <_ale> kpgk-make?
[03:14] <crimsun> i.e., anyway you want to.
[03:14] <_ale> just plugging the depper binary?
[03:15] <crimsun> if you mean make-kpkg from 'kernel-package', sure
[03:15] <_ale> i mean is it possible to use the limux.image-2.6.15 from depper?
[03:15] <crimsun> if you use Dapper's kernel directly, you'll need to get rid of Breezy's hotplug and compile Dapper's udev on your Breezy system.
[03:16] <crimsun> Dapper no longer uses hotplug
[03:16] <_ale> woops, ok, i'll go with make-kpkg :)
[03:16] <_ale> thanks
[03:16] <crimsun> you'll of course run into the same initrd/initramfs issues that you would if you used a stock Debian kernel
[03:17] <_ale> ?? i used make-kpkg several times (up to a few months ago) without any such problem.
[03:18] <_ale> ok. i understand, migration from initrd to initramfs
[03:19] <_ale> any pointer to a guide to make-kpkg on a recent ubuntu system (depper) ?
[03:23] <Firetech> hmm, is HAL support broken again?
[03:29] <Firetech> my bad, just a strange CD
[03:34] <Psi-Jack> Grrr..
[03:34] <Psi-Jack> This is going to annoy me to no end.
[03:43] <Psi-Jack> Kubuntu doesn't use some kind of automounter, outside of KDE, does it?
[03:49] <cleo> !sane
[03:49] <ubotu> No idea, cleo
[03:53] <torz> eveninng fellows. Quick question what do you guys use to expand rar? rarlinux?
[03:59] <tictric> torz: there's unrar-nonfree in the nonfree section
[04:00] <tictric> torz: sorry, multiverse section I meant
[04:02] <torz> ah
[04:02] <torz> gotcya
[04:11] <indo> when i go to System Settings - Printers, the Printer window hangs with "Initializing manager..." I am trying to set up a network printer, do I need to install a package to allow me to access a print server (ubuntu box)?
[04:16] <prxq> Hi. The system-settings -> Network settings is not letting me activate anything. It says I should use the administrator mode, but that one seems not to work. any ideas?
[04:16] <prxq> essentially, it asks for my password, but then nothing changes.
[04:17] <prxq> actually, it does exactly the same whether i type some random stuff into the password window as if i typed in the correct one
[04:18] <_stefan> this might be the root - account kdesu sudo problem
[04:18] <_stefan> ?
[04:18] <_GoRDoN_> Could somebody say how I can manage repositories? Howtos I had found are for Adept but I have Kynaptic.
[04:18] <_stefan> repositories are in /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:18] <indo> prxq: it is a bug
[04:18] <prxq> indo: aha.
[04:19] <_stefan> yet a bugfix ?
[04:19] <prxq> so, instead of pushing buttons, I get to use iwconfig et al?
[04:19] <indo> there is a workaround
[04:20] <prxq> indo: what is it?
[04:20] <indo> edit /etc/kde3/Xstartup add the line "rm -rf /var/tmp/kdecache*" minus quotes
[04:20] <prxq> ok
[04:21] <_stefan> ?dont even have Xstartup in /etc/kde3/
[04:21] <prxq> me neither
[04:22] <_stefan> i read someone said, creating a privileged"root" account might help
[04:22] <indo> sorry /etc/kde3/kdm/Xstartup
[04:22] <_stefan> but it doesnt work here for adding printer using kcontrol
[04:22] <prxq> well, I have a root account :-)
[04:23] <prxq> indo: do I add that at the beginning?
[04:23] <indo> yes
[04:23] <visik7> how KDE know how to assign icons to running programs in the taskbar ?
[04:24] <visik7> Thunderbird Icon sux and I want to change it
[04:25] <_stefan> right click on icon
[04:25] <_stefan> goto properties
[04:25] <_stefan> click on icon
[04:25] <_stefan> change it
[04:25] <visik7> it doesn't change!!
[04:26] <visik7> the icon of the shortcut yes but not the icon in the taskbar
[04:27] <_stefan> are you talking bout the K Menu ?
[04:28] <visik7> I'm talkin' about the TaskBar
[04:28] <visik7> where there are or running program
[04:28] <visik7> with its own icon
[04:28] <Discordian> there is a guide somewhere in the ubuntu wiki
[04:28] <Discordian> how to change tb and fx icons back
[04:29] <Discordian> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#restoreoriginaliconsfirefox
[04:29] <Discordian> even in ubuntuguide nowadays :-)
[04:30] <Discordian> too bad, the linked url is down -_-
[04:32] <visik7> ya :/
[04:37] <DJDarkman> hy ,i`ve reinstalled kubuntu but there was some error dunring the istallation and now i cant start adept ,it alwasy says that i need to be root ,but sodo worx ,what should i do
[04:37] <DJDarkman> ?
[04:38] <prxq> indo: now it works. thanks. However, it has almost nothing to configure wireless interfaces. I can set WEP, but no channel, and it doesn't bother giving me an error message when it doesn't work.
[04:39] <owner> try connecting with wep disabled
[04:39] <owner> ndiswrapper is kinda flaky
[04:39] <indo> prxq: i had the same problem, let me see if i can find a url to help you out
[04:39] <DJDarkman> i`ve reinstalled kubuntu but there was some error dunring the istallation and now i cant start adept ,it alwasy says that i need to be root ,but sodo worx ,what should i do?
[04:39] <prxq> uh oh. I can't disable wep.
[04:40] <owner> try sudo su djdarkman
[04:40] <owner> it will give you a root shell
[04:40] <prxq> I have to say I'm not impressed by the systems settings network interface.
[04:41] <owner> prxq are you using ndiswrapper
[04:41] <DJDarkman> root@Darknet:/home/djdarkman# adept-updater
[04:41] <DJDarkman> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[04:41] <DJDarkman> Xlib: No protocol specified
[04:41] <indo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto - ignore the gui stuff, and use command line, just follow that guide, it got mine working
[04:41] <owner> djdarkman
[04:41] <DJDarkman> this is strange
[04:41] <indo> prxq
[04:41] <owner> type xhost +
[04:41] <prxq> no. The serialmonkey ralink driver.
[04:41] <owner> before typing sudo su
[04:42] <owner> running apps from root account is disabled by default
[04:42] <owner> but if you type xhost + in your user shell
[04:42] <owner> and then sudo su
[04:42] <prxq> indo: oh ok. thanks. Actually, I'm rehearsing because I will install the same card in my gf's laptop, and hoped to have a point-and-click interface.
[04:42] <owner> djdarkman you have to give your user account sudo permissions
[04:42] <prxq> yes, I can get it to run without a problem from the command line. Sorry for the confusion.
[04:42] <gerst> I have ralink chipset card, and ubuntu found it without any problems
[04:42] <owner> thats your problem
[04:43] <DJDarkman> owner: but this woreked before
[04:43] <prxq> gerst: with this one it didn't I don't know why.
[04:43] <indo> prxq: i went through a lot to get mine working, 5.04 worked by just installing the driver, but as you said, the GUI Network Config is very dissapointing
[04:43] <gerst> rt2400 ?
[04:44] <prxq> no, rt2500. The serialmonkey driver works nicely
[04:44] <newbie_> Hello everyone I have a quck question, how do I get apps to autostart under Kubuntu Breezy?
[04:44] <owner> djdarkman see this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=115649&highlight=newuser111
[04:44] <owner> he had same problem as you
[04:44] <gerst> i have 2400..
[04:45] <cleo> can someone tell me why kooka detects my scanner only as root?
[04:49] <tmircea> hi all
[04:58] <erosgol> whats the best program for  burning iso s?
[04:59] <prxq> indo: have you tried the wlan-scan.sh script in the link you posted? is it recomendable?
[05:00] <Java_the_Hutt> erosgol: is there any rather than k3b ?
[05:00] <erosgol> ? i guess not due to the responce so ty
[05:01] <prxq> you can always use cdrecord directly
[05:02] <Davey|Work> is there another tool to set my Keyboard shortcuts (I want to map my media keys to stuff), the KDE Settings > Peripherals > Keyboard just brings up a blank window for me
[05:03] <gsuveg> anyone use spamassissin with kmail in daemon mode ?
[05:05] <owner> there is a way in kde setup davey
[05:05] <owner> thats one thing that i always found weird, in gnome the multimedia keys and volume control on keyboard work but not in kde
[05:06] <indo> prxq it didn't work for me
[05:08] <indo> prxq: when you do iwconfig, does it show you detecting your wireless network? if not you need to try manual settings, iwconfig wlan0 essid ESSID, iwconfig wlan0 channel
[05:09] <prxq> indo: it does not detect it automatically. Ither is another iwsomething that has done so in the past, however. Let me check (i'm rebooting my laptop)
[05:12] <prxq> "iwlist ra0 scanning" detects it.
[05:20] <tictric> anybody running 64bit kubuntu?
[05:20] <tictric> is it recommendable or rather not?
[05:21] <tictric> I still got the 32bit installation on my amd64 system running
[05:22] <isodude> Im running 64bit kubuntu
[05:22] <owner> is it any better isodude
[05:22] <isodude> Hanv't got fglrx to work yet, but everything else works ok.
[05:22] <isodude> "any better"
[05:22] <indo> 64 bit here too
[05:22] <tictric> any software you don't get
[05:22] <owner> faster, more stable?
[05:23] <isodude> It's like everything you do, if it's optimized for 64bit, it runs faster than 32bit.
[05:23] <tictric> will nvidia 6600 run
[05:23] <isodude> That's the difference.
[05:23] <indo> same really, just no Flash in 64 bit, no simple flash, you can run the 32 bit binaries
[05:23] <tictric> isodude: you got the 32-bit libs installed?
[05:23] <isodude> There's a way to install flash right?
[05:23] <owner> but do you notice the speed difference
[05:23] <owner> thats what i meant
[05:23] <isodude> I selected linux32 what I know of.
[05:24] <indo> yea, speed is great on 64
[05:24] <tictric> well then i'll get the image. finally :-)
[05:24] <isodude> I've been running 64bit all the time so I can't really compare =)
[05:24] <isodude> 64bit gentoo -> 64bit kubuntu
[05:25] <isodude> OK, anybody want to solve my problems now?
[05:25] <isodude> :D
[05:25] <tictric> isodude: you got problems?
[05:25] <isodude> first: fixing locale sv_SE.ISO-8859-15 to work with irssi.
[05:25] <tictric> who hasn't?
[05:25] <isodude> irssi says I dont' have it
[05:26] <isodude> So it falls back on C
[05:26] <tictric> Ha, there's a kubuntu mirror that runs on suse9.1
[05:26] <isodude> :)
[05:27] <isodude> The locales is vanilla too.
[05:27] <tictric> why dont you use konversation?
[05:27] <isodude> Second: Xorg doesn't send anything to the monitor when I start it with fglrx drivers.
[05:28] <isodude> tictric: did you bother to do a /ctcp isodude version ?= )
[05:28] <tictric> no
[05:29] <tictric> you didn't also?
[05:30] <isodude> I wan't to run irssi rather than Konversation
[05:30] <isodude> want*
[05:31] <tictric> ah, fine. So what's better with irssi?
[05:32] <isodude> About the second dilemma, I have a feeling I need to load some via agp drivers.
[05:33] <isodude> But there isn't any via agp module
[05:34] <owner> isodude did you try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[05:35] <isodude> Did that.
[05:36] <owner> btw ati has x_64 drivers
[05:36] <owner> https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=300
[05:36] <owner> not that ive tried them
[05:36] <owner> but you could create debs from them
[05:36] <owner> and compile with your kernel
[05:37] <owner> isodude did you try the x64 download or just the x86
[05:37] <isodude> x64
[05:38] <owner> thats weird
[05:38] <isodude> true
[05:38] <isodude> =)
[05:38] <owner> are you using vesa
[05:38] <isodude> atm yea
[05:39] <owner> did you run sudo fglrxconfig
[05:41] <isodude> yea once, but cba.
[05:41] <isodude> I took my old xorg.conf instead
[05:41] <isodude> from my old 64bit gentoo
[05:41] <isodude> which WORKS and is configured to work with fglrx
[05:41] <owner> shouldnt make a diff
[05:42] <owner> how did you like gentoo
[05:42] <isodude> nice
[05:42] <isodude> v nice
[05:42] <owner> i tried to install vidalinux
[05:42] <owner> but it failed at install
[05:42] <owner> that is based on gentoo
[05:43] <isodude> :(
[05:43] <Davey|Work> is there some config file I can edit by hand to setup my media keys?
[05:43] <isodude> Yeah
[05:43] <owner> there is davey
[05:43] <isodude> Don't remember what file it is though :p
[05:44] <owner> there is a way to map the keys
[05:44] <owner> me neither iso
[05:44] <owner> lol
[05:44] <Davey|Work> or is there some way to run the KDE Keyboard Settings from Konsole to see if there is an error?
[05:44] <owner> also you can try selecting multimedia keyboard
[05:44] <owner> in kde setup
[05:44] <Davey|Work> I can't open up the KDE KEyboard Settings
[05:44] <Davey|Work> otherwise I would probably have tried that ;)
[05:44] <owner> the weird thing is that in gnome all my multimedia keys work
[05:44] <owner> the home button, volume control
[05:44] <owner> without any setup
[05:45] <Davey|Work> I had to map them in Gnome
[05:45] <seashell11> owner: What is the command to start kde setup to try setting up my multimedia keys?
[05:45] <isodude> If you have the correct keyboard in xorg.org, they should return somehting when pressed.
[05:45] <isodude> So It's just to bind them to do something
[05:45] <owner> its in the kde menu
[05:45] <owner> yes isodude
[05:45] <Davey|Work> isodude: this I'm aware of...
[05:45] <owner> i selected 104 key
[05:46] <Davey|Work> ah-hah!
[05:46] <Davey|Work> I found Keyboard Shortcuts under Accessibility :)
[05:47] <isodude> Anyway, got any tips for my fglrx problems? :(
[05:47] <owner> i reinstalled ubuntu so i am using gnome
[05:47] <owner> even though i like kde more
[05:48] <seashell11> Davey|Work: I don't have the accessibility option can you tell me what the command line is?
[05:48] <firlou> hi
[05:48] <stremaerky> hello everyone
[05:48] <purpleheart_USMC> When I click on administrator mode to change my network settings, nothing happens after i enter my password...I can't seem to change my network settings
[05:48] <Davey|Work> and... no luck.
[05:48] <owner> what happened davey
[05:49] <owner> i never had any luck either in kde
[05:49] <stremaerky> i just installed kubuntu one month ago
[05:49] <owner> the volume control key would only go from 0-10%
[05:49] <Davey|Work> seashell11: In the KDE Settings main window, go to Regional and Accessibility
[05:49] <seashell11> Davey|Work: thanks ill see if I can get anything figured out
[05:50] <purpleheart_USMC> what is the command for network configuration?
[05:50] <stremaerky> anyone who can help make my external serial modem run in my usb port via usb-serial adapter?
[05:50] <owner> what speed is that modem stream
[05:51] <stremaerky> anyone?
[05:52] <purpleheart_USMC> anyone know why administrator mode doesn't work?
[05:54] <owner> lol davey
[05:54] <owner> ithe funny thing is that i hardly ever use them
[05:54] <Davey|Work> its bad enough I can't get the Keyboard Configuration to show
[05:54] <owner> but they work perfectly in gnome
[05:54] <Davey|Work> owner: I use them almost exclusively
[05:55] <isodude> Im sorry that I hurt you, It's something I must live with everyday..
[05:55] <Davey|Work> and you better remember that!
[05:58] <owner> interesting, the play and stop button on my keyboard work in rhythmbox but not amarok
[05:58] <owner> not surprising since rhythmbox is a gnome app
[05:59] <owner> this looks like an area gnome people did a better job than kde team
[05:59] <owner> multimedia keyboard support
[05:59] <isodude> err
[06:00] <isodude> that wouldn't be so hard to fix
[06:00] <owner> but it works without any setup
[06:02] <Davey|Work> grr, this blows :/
[06:02] <owner> davey did you turn your ubuntu into kubuntu
[06:02] <Davey|Work> owner: yes
[06:02] <owner> thats what i did before
[06:03] <owner> worked well enough, but i lost multimedia keys just like you
[06:03] <Davey|Work> and now you have a clean install?
[06:03] <owner> its too bad because kde looks so much better
[06:04] <owner> yea, but its unrelated to that issue
[06:04] <Davey|Work> my KDE looks almost like my Gnome ;)
[06:04] <purpleheart_USMC> anyone know why administrator mode doesn't work?   Please help
[06:04] <owner> i just felt like doing a reinstall, because i enlarged the partitions
[06:04] <Davey|Work> is there a replacement for Konqueror, I *really* hate Konqueror
[06:04] <owner> firefox
[06:04] <owner> konqueror is overrated
[06:04] <Davey|Work> for file browsing
[06:04] <owner> but its pretty fast if you disable ipv6 support
[06:04] <indo> purplehear_USMC it is a bug in kde
[06:05] <Davey|Work> I already use FF for web
[06:08] <owner> davey you should try krusader
[06:08] <owner> that is really good
[06:08] <owner> it is a alternative kde file manager
[06:08] <owner> sudo apt-get install krusader
[06:10] <jorik> we have one XP computer and one kubuntu computer in our house, now my dad also wants me to move the XP to kubuntu, and that got me wondering
[06:12] <jorik> cuz like, if i just install kubuntu and make 5 new accounts ... everyone is going to end up with two /home directories
[06:12] <Discordian> share one /home via nfs? :-)
[06:12] <Discordian> requires both computers running of c...
[06:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> a couple of questions..
[06:13] <jorik> well i was thinking, theres a fast and a slow computer ... its unlikely ppl are going to use the slow computer when the fast one is available
[06:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> the first regarding ftp
[06:13] <owner> how slow jorik
[06:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to obtain at boot time a link of a folder of the fily system to a ftp folder?
[06:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> like the folder /home/andrea/ftp contains the data of sftp:/myftp.org
[06:14] <jorik> owner, its a P4 with i think 2Ghz and 1G ram and another im thinking AMD running at 1G with 512ram
[06:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> someone know how i can do it?
[06:15] <owner> those are pretty decent jorik
[06:15] <owner> both
[06:15] <jorik> owner, so what i should do is probably find a way to have the AMD mount it's /home from the P4, but how do i do it with the accounts? make doubles?
[06:16] <Discordian> jorik: using your XP computer right now, you also have 2 /home directories :-) so nothing is going worse..
[06:16] <seashell11> owner: I got my keyboard running, just changed it to tho microsoft pro keyboard and everrything works
[06:16] <owner> jorik sounds like a lot of trouble
[06:16] <owner> cool seashell
[06:17] <Discordian> "changed [...]  to [...]  microsoft [...]  and everything works" - WOW :P
[06:18] <jorik> Discordian, yes but it used to be that my mom and elder sister used XP and me n my dad n younger sister shared the kubntu pc ...
[06:19] <Discordian> and now your dad wants to make your mom and elder sister switch? funny :D
[06:19] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to obtain at boot time a link of a folder of the fily system to a ftp folder?
[06:20] <jorik> well they're switching by theirselves ... so ppl have to start takin turns "workin" at the kubuntu pc
[06:20] <Discordian> Ah okay.. hmm
[06:20] <jorik> -while the xp collects dust-
[06:20] <poimen> someone kwons something about networking? I need to connect a a windows xp machine to my kkubuntu system to pass files from the windows system to mine ....
[06:20] <Discordian> the easiest way would be just to include the remove /home in a subdir
[06:20] <poimen> I dont kwon were to start :(
[06:21] <Discordian> so they chan exchange their data
[06:21] <Discordian> *remote :-)
[06:22] <jorik> hey cool ... that *would* be easy to do, i wonder why i didnt think of that
[06:22] <Discordian> i think everyone should be fine with that solution even if it is not the best one since you have to do all system setting changes twice, but it requires not much effort
[06:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> poimen: you have to use samba and file sharing
[06:24] <Tallia1Kubuntu> if i have to execute a scipt in a folder different from the current usually i use "exec", but if i have to do it using sudo? sudo exec BLABLABLA doesn't work :(
[06:24] <jorik> Discordian, thx
[06:26] <jorik> Tallia1Kubuntu, thats because exec is not a program (=> there is no /usr/bin/exec or something like that), its a bash command
[06:26] <Discordian> Tallia1Kubuntu: sudo /path/to/script ? and chmod it with execute permissions...
[06:27] <poimen> Tallia1Kubuntu : what I have to put in apt-get install ????????????
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> samba ? :)
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try to use synaptics and search for samba
[06:28] <Discordian> sudo apt-get install samba smb4k
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> even though it should be installed as default in kubuntu
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> try to search it under kcontrol in the sharing section
[06:28] <Tallia1Kubuntu> network sharing
[06:29] <varsendagger> hey i have a program that i am trying to run and it needs a certain amount of physical memory, how do i make it use swap?
[06:29] <owner> mkswap
[06:30] <owner> swapon
[06:30] <Discordian> poimen: or just use smb://ip.addr.of.windowscomputer or \\ip.addr.of.windowscomputer in your Konqueror if you already have set up some network shares on that mashine
[06:30] <Discordian> -s+c
[06:30] <jorik> on KDE you can use adept or kpackage instead of synaptic
[06:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Discordian: what about i can't change execution permission since the script is in an iso file?
[06:31] <jorik> there's even kynaptic
[06:31] <seashell11> jorik: personally I like synaptic better though
[06:31] <Tm_T> nothing is better than apt-get
[06:31] <Davey|Work> Discordian: how does one setup up network shares?
[06:31] <Tm_T> and other apt-tools
[06:31] <jorik> yeah apt-* and dpkg all the way here
[06:31] <Tallia1Kubuntu> look the wiki about that..
[06:31] <Discordian> Davey|Work: I dont use windows or smb :-) ask google
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there are plenty :)
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Discordian: ? any idea?
[06:32] <Discordian> Tallia1Kubuntu: you execute an iso file? no, no idea ^^
[06:32] <seashell11> jorik: but is there any way to search for a package in apt-*
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> not an iso, a script inside an iso
[06:32] <owner> there is seashell
[06:32] <jorik> "apt-cache search foo"
[06:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can work around that using exec but only if not root :(
[06:33] <owner> yes joric
[06:33] <Discordian> hmm write a shellscript that uses exec and place it in your PATH :o)
[06:33] <seashell11> joric: but if you do not want to search for one in the cache, but one that needs downloaded to install?
[06:33] <Discordian> but it's an ugly workaround :-)
[06:34] <jorik> Tallia1Kubuntu, you can do sudo bash -c 'exec program'
[06:34] <jorik> to exec something as root
[06:34] <Tallia1Kubuntu> Discordian:  :) i know
[06:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i can't even login as root since then it needs connection to the graphical server :(
[06:36] <Davey|Work> OK, I'm done with KDE. Back to Gnome.
[06:36] <Tallia1Kubuntu> muah, misterious man :P
[06:37] <gsd> Hi all
[06:37] <seashell11> jorik: is there a way to search packages that can be downloaded and not ones that are in the cache? or does searching the cache search all the programs you can install?
[06:38] <Tallia1Kubuntu> interesting ;P
[06:38] <gsd> I have a little problem, I cannot make my wireless card to work, can someone help pls.
[06:38] <Discordian> seashell11: apt-cache search includes all installable programms found in the lists that you update using apt-get update
[06:39] <seashell11> Discordian: thanks, now I will switch totally over to using apt-* before I would search for the packages in synaptic and then go install them with apt-get
[06:39] <Discordian> ^^
[06:40] <Discordian> dpkg -l *package* lists all packages with that string, and wether they are installed.. wild cards allowed
[06:40] <_mehmet> to switch in the konsole the status as root what i should write
[06:40] <_mehmet> i am a rookie on kubuntu
[06:40] <Discordian> and apt-cache show package, displayes detailed info to one package
[06:40] <gsd> passwd root
[06:40] <_mehmet> thanks
[06:41] <owner> you dont need to set a root password
[06:41] <owner> you can just use sudo su
[06:41] <owner> it will give you a working root shell
[06:41] <Discordian> sudo -s
[06:41] <Discordian> as well
[06:41] <_mehmet> sudo su is ok
[06:41] <_mehmet> thanks
[06:42] <_mehmet> i have a trouble with my express ati card
[06:42] <_mehmet> i will update my dagger first
[06:42] <_mehmet> and root is required
[06:42] <owner> mehmet, ati how to http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[06:43] <gsd> is there is a tutorial for wireless?
[06:43] <_mehmet> thanks also owner
[06:44] <_mehmet> pci espress card
[06:44] <_mehmet> is it wireless :)
[06:45] <Panzerboy> aloha
[06:53] <Jestre> Are there any known issues with the Wireless network control in Breezy?
[06:55] <monduntu> is it just me or is kubuntu is much more memory efficient than the standard gnome package?
[07:00] <Jestre> Dunno.. but I'm not overly impressed thus far
[07:02] <_mehmet> to get last dagger is the code gedit /etc/apt/sources.list or ?
[07:02] <Tm_T> Mez: dagger?
[07:02] <Tm_T> _mehmet:
[07:02] <_mehmet> owner where r you
[07:02] <_mehmet> source list i mean
[07:02] <Tm_T> _mehmet: what you're doing?
[07:02] <_mehmet> for last packages
[07:02] <owner> im here
[07:03] <_mehmet> i don know
[07:03] <owner> mehmet try this http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[07:05] <Tm_T> owner: what he's doing?
[07:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i am annoyed by updatedb!!
[07:06] <Tm_T> Tallia1Kubuntu: good ;)
[07:06] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a way to specify the scheduler to launch it only during the night?
[07:06] <owner> its a sources.list generator
[07:06] <Tm_T> owner: yes but what he's doing
[07:06] <fangorious> is there a way to have file:// URLS not open in tabs in a konq window using the web profile?
[07:07] <Tm_T> Tallia1Kubuntu: kcron ? run it as root
[07:07] <Tm_T> owner: what he's problem
[07:07] <owner> im not sure, he wanted the full sources.list
[07:07] <Tm_T> oh my...
[07:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i don't have kcron installed
[07:07] <Tm_T> _mehmet: what's the problem
[07:07] <Tm_T> Tallia1Kubuntu: then install
[07:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> which is the daemon that runs it?
[07:07] <Tm_T> cron
[07:07] <Tallia1Kubuntu> can i uninstall it ?
[07:07] <Tm_T> nah
[07:08] <Tm_T> you need it
[07:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why?
[07:08] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: kcron is KDE's gui cron managing app
[07:08] <Tm_T> aye
[07:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[07:08] <Tm_T> and cron is the app running any scheduled commands
[07:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me check
[07:08] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: without cron, you will lose a lot of regular system tasks
[07:08] <Tm_T> aye
[07:08] <Tallia1Kubuntu> such as?
[07:09] <Prozac> is it possible to change Konqueror so that i would need to double click on the folders/files before it opens? instead of the default "web browser" style?
[07:09] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: updatedb is run from the script /etc/cron.daily/slocate
[07:09] <Tm_T> fangorious: and it's runned by cron
[07:09] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:09] <fangorious> Tm_T: I assumed the presence of 'cron.daily' in the path would have made that obvious :)
[07:09] <Tm_T> best solution is use Kcron and move all that to run 3 times a week at night time
[07:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fangorious: is there a way to say him, run daily on night?
[07:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it's not so simple by hand?
[07:10] <Tm_T> Tallia1Kubuntu: yes, use Kcron, jusr run it as root and well, search system stuff
[07:10] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok, i am downloading
[07:10] <Tm_T> aye
[07:10] <kkathman> howdy Tm_T :)
[07:10] <Tm_T> I moved it to morning time :p
[07:10] <Tm_T> kkathman: hullo
[07:11] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i just bought a new usb hard disk, which FS do you suggest me?
[07:11] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: you'll need to run kcron as root ('sudo kcron' from a terminal)
[07:11] <owner> ext3 is the most reliable
[07:12] <owner> then there is reiserfs
[07:12] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: Are you going to use it on more than just linux?
[07:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh.. don't think so.. it's for backup and to keep the window emulator
[07:12] <owner> i say ext3 or reiserfs
[07:12] <Tallia1Kubuntu> vmware
[07:13] <Tm_T> vmware isn't windows emulator
[07:13] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: then ext3 or reiserfs. I haven't done much research but I seem to get the impression that ext3 is a little more stable, while reiser can be faster
[07:13] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ok
[07:13] <owner> vmware can run many different os
[07:13] <Tm_T> not that I'd care
[07:13] <Tm_T> anyway, off we go ->
[07:14] <Tallia1Kubuntu> owner: i know :P
[07:14] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: in kcron, scroll down to (System Crontab) and look in Tasks. You'll see one with 'run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily;
[07:14] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: that's the one you want to change to have updatedb run at night.
[07:15] <Prozac> how can i change the default program used for watching video files? or playing music files etc
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> in kde
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ?
[07:16] <Prozac> yes
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> by kde file association manager
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> go in kcontrol
[07:16] <Prozac> yeah but do i have to do it for each filetype?
[07:16] <Prozac> or is there some "general button" named "all video types" or something
[07:16] <Tallia1Kubuntu> kdecomponents -> file associations
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i dunno
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> there are not so many video types..
[07:17] <Tallia1Kubuntu> at least the most common
[07:18] <fangorious> Prozac: there's only 13 preconfigured video types
[07:18] <Prozac> yeah well it was also more in general, if i wanted to change other types
[07:18] <Prozac> if there was a way to set the entire group to use a default program
[07:19] <fangorious> ah. That's one thing I miss from gnome, you can riht-click on any file, and set the default app in the properties window, and it applies to all files of the same type
[07:19] <Prozac> yeah something like that
[07:20] <fangorious> Prozac: the only way I know in KDE is the way that Tallia1Kubuntu  mentioned (in Konqueror Settings->Configure Konqueror->File Associations)
[07:21] <Prozac> okay guess ill have to do it that way :)
[07:21] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[07:22] <fangorious> how can I get konqueror and konsole to display utf8?
[07:22] <Flosoft> hey
[07:22] <Flosoft> I have a problem
[07:22] <Prozac> then what if i wanted to make the default option when i open audio files, to be "add to amaroK playlist" instead of just opening with amaroK?
[07:22] <Flosoft> my KDE is extremely slow ... and my Desktop doesn't show up
[07:22] <Flosoft> (content of the desktop)
[07:22] <owner> flosoft what are you computer specs
[07:23] <Flosoft> P4 2,53 ... 512MB Ram
[07:23] <fangorious> Prozac: hm, I sould guess that if Amarok doesn't have an option to add that, then you would have to manually create the action, not sure if that would go in File Associations though
[07:23] <owner> should be pretty fast
[07:23] <Flosoft> it was way faster 2 days ago
[07:23] <Prozac> there is an action for that
[07:23] <Prozac> when i right click on media files and choose action
[07:23] <Flosoft> but some package is fucked up :S
[07:24] <Prozac> but i wanted it to trigger that action whenever i launched an audio files
[07:24] <Prozac> file*
[07:24] <Flosoft> was there any package update that may have changed something in this way?
[07:24] <fangorious> Prozac: moving it to the top of the list should make it the default action
[07:25] <Prozac> yeah.. Well im not sure you get me :) the default action for amaroK is just to play the file, and make a new playlist for that file. I wanna make the default so it will use the action "add to playlist"
[07:25] <Prozac> im thinking i would have to change the launch line or something
[07:26] <Flosoft> what is snort?
[07:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have a question too...
[07:26] <jdettner> Hello, i have a Problem with Amarok-Sound in Kubuntu. Normal sound workd but when trying to start an mp3 with amorak i get the message: gst-engine cannot play  MP3files... I ve set gstreamer in amarok and tried several modules but nothing worked. Does someone know what i have to do? I tried to search for this in forums but i didnt find something.
[07:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> why sometimes conqueror is opened instead of firefox?
[07:26] <fangorious> Prozac: when you said there is an action for that, I thought you meant there's an action in File Associations to do what you want, and it wasn't the default
[07:26] <sampan> flosoft  snort - Flexible Network Intrusion Detection System
[07:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a place where X preferences are expressed for program associations?
[07:26] <transgress> hey i upgraded to kde 3.5 with the repo on the kubuntu site... but aptitude keeps trying to uninstall a bunch of stuff related to kde and i'm wondering if i should let it
[07:27] <fangorious> transgress: I upgraded by doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade (y when prompted); apt-get -f install; apt-get dist-upgrade'
[07:28] <Prozac> ohh... well there is an action when i right click on the media file and choose "Actions --> Add to amaroK playlist" but the default for "Open with --> amaroK" is to just play the file in a new playlist
[07:28] <transgress> fangorious: i've already done the upgrade.  it has gone fine.  i'm just trying to find out why aptitude is trying to remove all this stuff.
[07:28] <fangorious> transgress: some packages are obsoleted by the new ones
[07:28] <transgress> fangorious:   koffice-data koffice-libs krita ksystemlog kubuntu-docs
[07:28] <transgress> such as those?
[07:28] <transgress> that's just one of like 6 lines...
[07:29] <fangorious> transgress: i didn't pay attention to which ones, but I let it do everything it suggested, and everything works fine for me, anecdotal but it's all I got
[07:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a place where X preferences are expressed for program associations?
[07:29] <transgress> fangorious: have you used aptitude lately or just apt-get?
[07:29] <fangorious> Prozac: hm, i'd have to dig around
[07:30] <fangorious> transgress: i've never used aptitude, not sure why that didn't register with me in your first few comments
[07:31] <fangorious> jdettner: you need to install the gstreamer plugins
[07:31] <fangorious> ubotu: tell jdettner about RestrictedFormats
[07:31] <poimen> Tallia1Kubuntu , Discordian : ok I am installine the samba and smb4k   I dont have rauter I will just conect the ether net cable from the windows lan to mine that should work ok right ( in windows it does)
[07:31] <Flosoft> and ALT+F2 doesn't work
[07:32] <Flosoft> well my Keyboard doesn't work when I am logged in :S
[07:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> you have to configure in kconfig which folders you want to share
[07:32] <Flosoft> Window Buttons can't be pressed :S
[07:32] <sampan> flosoft  did you install something from a non-ubuntu repo?
[07:32] <_mehmet> owner
[07:32] <Flosoft> nope
[07:33] <Flosoft> well yes... but not the last week
[07:33] <Flosoft> I installed skype
[07:33] <Flosoft> and such stuff
[07:34] <jdettner> fangorious: ive installed several gstreamer plugins (alsa, artsd, audiofile, cdparanoia, dv, dvd, esd, flac, gsm, hermes, jack, jpeg, ...)
[07:34] <jdettner> ill check RestrictedFormats thx
[07:35] <sampan> flosoft  those probably aren't the problem.  did you install anything right before you noticed kde acting up?
[07:35] <Flosoft> kdesktop is going on a suicide trip regulary
[07:35] <Flosoft> 12595 admin     18   0  954m 369m 166m R 20.3 73.2   0:53.24 kdesktop
[07:35] <Tallia1Kubuntu> is there a place where X preferences are expressed for program associations?
[07:35] <fangorious> jdettner: mad is the plugin to get mp3 playback, and it's not in the default repo (think it's in restricted or universe)
[07:36] <Flosoft> yep
[07:36] <Flosoft> when I kill kdesktop it works again
[07:39] <jdettner> fangorious: thx a lot. I just added the universe repositorys and installed gstreamer-mad then it worked. Thx!
[07:40] <fangorious> jdettner: :)
[07:42] <arrinmurr> jdettner: you could also try amarok-xine - it eats up less resources
[07:42] <`Nomad> Are there known issues with Amarok?  It never seems to eb stable on my machine, I end up goin gback to Totem
[07:43] <Flosoft> what happened to kdedesktop?
[07:43] <fangorious> `Nomad: my only complaint is I have to compile the latest version from SVN to get my m4a files into the collection (which is all 3000 of them)
[07:43] <`Nomad> fang; kewl
[07:47] <Tallia1Kubuntu> guys, it is possible to have this thing: A USB2 HD containing a WinXP installation that can be run either inside linux from WmWare or by his own booting from USB
[07:47] <Panzerboy> Tallia1Kubuntu: it is possible
[07:48] <Panzerboy> Tallia1Kubuntu: for #2, your computer should be able to boot from usb
[07:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> it should
[07:48] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i have seen the option.. but i can't understand why it is not working..
[07:48] <transgress> some computers won't boot from usb.  but you can put a vmware image pretty much anywhere...
[07:48] <Panzerboy> Tallia1Kubuntu: for #1, i don't know _for sure_ if you can boot directly or if you have to install it from within vmware
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i simply put an old HD of another laptop with winxp inside  a USB 2 reader
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> and then i selected the boot from USB
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> but nothing happend and grup started :(
[07:49] <Panzerboy> well, that happened to my laptop also
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> do i have to do something more specificc?
[07:49] <Panzerboy> i cannot boot from usb at the moment
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> :)
[07:49] <Tallia1Kubuntu> ? why ?
[07:49] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: the MBR of the HD no longer reflects the right hard drive
[07:49] <Panzerboy> as you said, nothing happens :)
[07:50] <Panzerboy> the thing is
[07:50] <Panzerboy> i think i must do a bios update
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> mhh i see
[07:50] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: you may need to edit the boot.ini file to point it at the right drive and partition (but I don't have any advice on how to do that)
[07:50] <Tallia1Kubuntu> fangorious: ?
[07:51] <Panzerboy> hmm
[07:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i see
[07:51] <Panzerboy> or
[07:51] <Panzerboy> it is not possible to use grub for that?
[07:51] <djk_> is it possible that the timezone of the kde clock sometimes changes for no reason?
[07:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> djk_: yes, sometimes it is screwed up :)
[07:51] <Panzerboy> i don't know if grub is able to boot from usb devices
[07:51] <Tallia1Kubuntu> djk_: it took me long time.. :)
[07:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i hope so :)
[07:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> let me check! it could be an interesting extension of grup
[07:52] <djk_> Tallia1Kubuntu: what took you a long time?
[07:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> grub
[07:52] <fangorious> you could probably configure an option in grub to boot the usb drive, but i don't think you can use grub to fix the windows bootloader files on the drive
[07:52] <Tallia1Kubuntu> djk_: crushes..
[07:53] <Panzerboy> well, i must admit, i didn't install windows on an usb drive ever
[07:53] <fangorious> Tallia1Kubuntu: windows read a file boot.ini from the root of the Active partition that tells it where the kernel is (what harddrive, partition, path)
[07:53] <djk_> Tallia1Kubuntu: so it's perfectly normal that the timezone changes to Moscow over night for no reason?
[07:53] <Panzerboy> fangorious: yeah, that's true
[07:54] <Panzerboy> i have no idea however how can you specify the usb drive in the boot.ini
[07:55] <Panzerboy> however, strange stuff :)
[07:55] <sweet_kate> hi
[07:55] <fangorious> so my assumption is that the disk/partition specified in that file no longer reflects the right location. although i would have expected you would get a Microsoft error message about being unable to boot. so you could also have some usb device boot settings to fix
[07:55] <sweet_kate> when i try t oremove openoffice.org
[07:55] <sweet_kate> 2
[07:55] <sweet_kate> it says it 'll remove kubuntu-desktop too
[07:55] <sweet_kate> !!!
[07:55] <ubotu> ??
[07:55] <sampan> sweet_kate  that's okay.  "kubuntu-desktop" is just an (empty) metapackage
[07:56] <sweet_kate> it s not that real one?
[07:56] <fangorious> sweet_kate: kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that identifys specific versions of other packages, bu tremoving it won't remove all of them
[07:56] <sweet_kate> after will i still have kde?
[07:56] <sweet_kate> yes?
[07:56] <sampan> no, it's just an (empty) package with a bazillion dependencies, so that people can install the whole mess with ONE "package" instead of having to install each kde package separately
[07:56] <sweet_kate> ok yes
[07:56] <fangorious> sweet_kate: having kubuntu-desktop installed makes it simpler to upgrade your kde install all at once, but isn't required
[07:56] <sampan> errr, "yes" you will still have kde
[07:58] <Nemezis> hey, how can I kill the X without starting itself again ?
[07:58] <sampan> djk_ i don't think changing timezones for no reason is a regular "feature" of kde
[07:58] <fangorious> anyone know how to get file url's to open in a separate window, while keeping web url's opening in a tab?
[07:58] <Flosoft> why is kdesktop always crashing?
[07:58] <djk_> sampan: neither do i.. yet it happened 3 times so far, always to Moscow
[07:59] <fangorious> djk_: if you middle-click on the clock, it changes time zone
[07:59] <sampan> djk_  very strange!  i had a little problem with it not allowing me to change my timezone after initial install, but that was fixed in the first updates to breezy.  i have no clue why it would keep changing yours :/
[08:00] <djk_> fangorious: i know, but i don't use the middlebutton of my mouse..
[08:00] <fangorious> djk_: if you go into the Timezones tab of the Configure-Clock window, you can deselect all timezones you don't want to see
[08:00] <Nemezis> hey, how can I kill the X without starting itself again ?
[08:00] <Nemezis> ??
[08:01] <Flosoft> why is kdesktop always crashing?
[08:01] <Nemezis> Flosoft: what version?
[08:01] <Discordian> Nemezis: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[08:01] <djk_> fangorious: that's not the point, i'd rather like to know how and/or why it changed
[08:01] <fangorious> Nemezis: you'll have to stop the login manager too (kdm for kubuntu, gdm for ubuntu)
[08:01] <Flosoft> KDE 3.5
[08:02] <fangorious> djk_: i know, just trying to present a workaround. i haven't personally experienced that problem
[08:02] <Flosoft> brb
[08:03] <|Flosoft|> hey again
[08:04] <Jestre> Kopete have STARTTLS for Jabber?
[08:04] <fangorious> Jestre: doesn't appear to, i've been debating writing it and submitting a patch
[08:04] <sweet_kate> how can i see my installed packages in order of size?
[08:05] <Jestre> Drat... this has turned into a comedy of errors :(
[08:05] <fangorious> Jestre: does ssl not sork with your server?
[08:06] <fangorious> sork being a synonym for work
[08:06] <sampan> sweet_kate  i don't know if adept can do that, but synaptic (the ubuntu package manager) can
[08:06] <Jestre> No, I only have the one port open
[08:06] <sweet_kate> what do i do in synaptic?
[08:06] <sweet_kate> i have it
[08:07] <sampan> sweet_kate  k, open it, then at bottom there's a "status" button, click it.  then check to see in preferences luan78zao!
[08:07] <Jestre> fangorious: I suppose I could open 5223 as well...
[08:08] <sampan> sorry, wife just dropped some coffee on me ... ack
[08:08] <|Flosoft|> anyone with a solution to kdesktop?
[08:08] <fangorious> sweet_kate: there should be a "size" button as a column header in the pane that shows packages
[08:08] <sampan> sweet_kate  click status, then "installed", then "size" (on the right) -- should order the packages by size
[08:08] <sampan> if you don't see a size column, you can add it in preferences
[08:09] <sweet_kate> ok
[08:09] <sweet_kate> tnx
[08:09] <sweet_kate> :*
[08:09] <sweet_kate> sampan: where r u from?
[08:10] <gsd> is there some that can help me with wifi
[08:10] <sampan> sweet_kate  i'm in berkeley california now.  yourself?
[08:10] <sweet_kate> italy!!!
[08:10] <sampan> NICE!  :)
[08:11] <crimsun> gsd: what about wifi?
[08:11] <sweet_kate> sampan: can u accept queries?
[08:11] <Jestre> Beware of the gui wifi tools :)
[08:11] <_mehmet> i downloaded source from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:11] <_mehmet> but there is a warning
[08:11] <fangorious> Jestre: why? i find they work well enough unless using wpa
[08:12] <_mehmet> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:12] <gsd> crimsun, Cant connect to the wireless router
[08:12] <_mehmet> whatz that
[08:12] <sampan> sweet_kate  sure :)
[08:12] <_mehmet> owner :)
[08:12] <sweet_kate> i ve messaged u in query!
[08:13] <fangorious> gsd: does the router broadcast ssid? require wep? require wpa? (wpa2? personal tkip or aes?)
[08:13] <Jestre> fangorious: First I tried the Wireless applet, and clicking the Administrative mode allowed me to edit the info, but never activated the network
[08:13] <gsd> ssid
[08:13] <Nemezis> Kubuntu's KDE contains one KDE improvment patch from kde-look, how can I make it not using?
[08:13] <Nemezis> I dont need it
[08:14] <fangorious> Jestre: there's a checkbox to automatically try one of the configured networks, and a button to manually activate, did you use either? (i actually prefer gnome's network-manager, but the one in the backports repo)
[08:14] <Jestre> fangorious: I tried both, neither seemed to have any effect
[08:14] <Jestre> So I configured it through the Network Settings applet...
[08:15] <Jestre> Went back, made a change to a setting (not the password) and saved it.. it wrote *'s to the key field, rather than the key
[08:15] <Nemezis> I dont want to use this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16962
[08:15] <Nemezis> it makes KDE slow
[08:15] <fangorious> Jestre: network-manager is pretty sweet, very reminiscent of apple's tool. but at the moment it requires bind as a local caching server
[08:15] <Jestre> So I re-entered the key...  and this time it saved it, but also saved a corrupt entry for the (thus far unconfigured eth0), which causes nothing to start
[08:16] <fangorious> gsd, what wifi chipset do you have on your machine?
[08:16] <Jestre> I finally found the 'interfaces' file, hand edited everything and brought up the network the old-fashioned way :)
[08:16] <Jestre> I'm not impressed
[08:16] <Nemezis> I dont want to use this http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=16962
[08:16] <crimsun> gsd: does your wireless access point require encryption?
[08:16] <fangorious> Nemezis: then don't ... ?
[08:17] <Nemezis> fangorious: it omes by default with kubuntu
[08:17] <gsd> no
[08:17] <fangorious> Nemezis: you can change the theme/style/behavior as much as you like
[08:17] <Discordian> ye, the mouse selection is really slow in breezy, i noticed that as well
[08:18] <gsd> fangorious, it's Wireless/Pro 2.4
[08:18] <fangorious> gsd: who makes it?
[08:18] <Nemezis> fangorious: are u ok? did u even see the link?
[08:18] <Nemezis> it is not theme
[08:18] <Nemezis> it is some stupid improvement
[08:18] <crimsun> gsd: ``iwlist scan'' should list the ssid, then
[08:18] <gsd> fangorious, who makes what?
[08:19] <fangorious> Nemezis: guess i didn't read it closely. the first comment was about a change to the plastik theme, so i assumed using a theme other than plastik would mean you aren't subject to the improvement
[08:19] <gsd> crimsun, you're right
[08:19] <gsd> evrything is in there, but then...
[08:20] <Nemezis> fangorious: I am using Lipstik and yet I am influenced by the "mprovment"
[08:20] <Nemezis> improvment*
[08:20] <fangorious> gsd: your wifi card/chip. Wireless/Pro 2.4 doesn't mean anything to me. since you can scan, i'm guessing the drivers are loading and the card is basically functioning
[08:20] <fangorious> gsd, you can do 'sudo iwconfig eth0 ssid <ssid>' to manually specify it (substituting your interface for eth0)
[08:22] <gsd> it's says unrecognized wireless request "ssid"
[08:22] <crimsun> iwconfig uses essid, not ssid
[08:22] <Nemezis> why do u even bother with such shit like kde improvments, KDE ownz as it is, original
[08:22] <fangorious> Nemezis: i already admitted i didn't read it carefully enough. if there are source code changes to the core kde components then you probably can't use the kubuntu packages without getting that behavior
[08:23] <Nemezis> fangorious: ok thanks
[08:23] <sampan> there's no need for vulgarity
[08:23] <fangorious> what a whiner
[08:24] <crimsun> it's best to ignore those comments
[08:24] <crimsun> you can't please everyone
[08:24] <gsd> fangorious, ok then?
[08:25] <fangorious> gsd: does 'iwconfig eth0' indicate that you are now associated with the AP?
[08:25] <gsd> yes
[08:25] <ClayG> is there a nix program that can interact with ms publisher?
[08:26] <fangorious> gsd: if you're wanting dhcp, you can try 'ifup --force eth0'
[08:26] <gsd> fangorious, it's says SIOCADDRT: File exist
[08:27] <crimsun> gsd: ``ifconfig -a'' output --> pastebin, please
[08:28] <gsd> some kind of hard to paste, couse I am on my desktop right now, and I am trying to connect my laptop ...
[08:28] <crimsun> gsd: ok, I just need to know what kernel module you're using for wifi
[08:28] <crimsun> gsd: ``lsmod'' will tell you
[08:29] <HiTiT> hello, I have a big problem, i turned on my computer. and the resolution is 640*480, and i cant change it , what should I do?
[08:29] <crimsun> !tell HiTiT about fixres
[08:30] <fangorious> !fixres
[08:30] <ubotu> Please read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:31] <HiTiT> ok 1thanks
[08:33] <_mehmet> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or something similar. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[08:33] <_mehmet> what do i have to do
[08:36] <_matthias> _mehmet: err.. anyone answering you yet?
[08:36] <Nemezis> when I try to install NVidia drivers it says that 'cc' is not installed but I have g++/gcc compilers intsalled, what do I need to install further?
[08:36] <_mehmet> no
[08:38] <Nemezis> when I try to install NVidia drivers it says that 'cc' is not installed but I have g++/gcc compilers intsalled, what do I need to install further?
[08:40] <crimsun> Nemezis: do the included Nvidia drivers not suffice?
[08:40] <crimsun> Nemezis: i.e., http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:40] <Nemezis> crimsun: I cant watch DVDs with xv driver for Xine engine because the showing of dvd movies is so slow
[08:40] <Nemezis> verymuch slow
[08:41] <Nemezis> and I was adviced on installing newer nvidia drivers
[08:41] <Nemezis> from nvidia.com
[08:41] <crimsun> Nemezis: then you need to install linux-headers-$(uname -r) gcc-3.4 build-essential
[08:41] <_mehmet> adept says could not open cache
[08:42] <_mehmet> any suggestion ?
[08:42] <crimsun> _mehmet: what's the issue?
[08:42] <_mehmet> i ca not open adept
[08:42] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo apt-get check
[08:42] <_mehmet> it says couldn't open cache
[08:43] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo apt-get update
[08:43] <_mehmet> E: Type 'BYE' is not known on line 2 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:43] <_mehmet> E: The list of sources could not be read.
[08:43] <_mehmet> says
[08:43] <crimsun> _mehmet: your sources.list is broken
[08:44] <_mehmet> who broke it
[08:44] <_mehmet> :)
[08:44] <crimsun> you?
[08:44] <_mehmet> what should i do
[08:44] <_mehmet> me
[08:44] <crimsun> !repos
[08:44] <ubotu> To enable Universe and Multiverse see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047 (Breezy) or http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6666 (Dapper) see also !easysource
[08:44] <Nemezis> crimsun: gcc-3.4 build-essential >
[08:44] <Nemezis> ??
[08:44] <crimsun> _mehmet: go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6047
[08:44] <Nemezis> what is build-essential
[08:44] <_mehmet> ok
[08:44] <crimsun> Nemezis: it's the metapackage for essential build-tools
[08:44] <crimsun> Nemezis: however, the kernel is compiled with gcc-3.4 not gcc-4.0
[08:45] <Nemezis> crimsun: yes I know that thanks
[08:45] <Nemezis> :)
[08:46] <_mehmet> crimsun
[08:46] <_mehmet> should i write all of them to terminal
[08:46] <_mehmet> :(
[08:48] <crimsun> _mehmet: save it as /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:48] <crimsun> then sudo apt-get update
[08:48] <Nemezis> crimsun: in the repository only comes build-essential with gcc 4.0
[08:48] <_mehmet> ok
[08:49] <crimsun> Nemezis: um, that's why you have to install gcc-3.4
[08:50] <Nemezis> thanks
[08:50] <Nemezis> :)
[08:50] <Nemezis> goint init 4
[08:51] <crimsun> um, init 4 is identical to what you're in.
[08:51] <crimsun> Ubuntu, like Debian, doesn't play runlevel games.
[08:51] <crimsun> 2-5 are identical
[08:51] <crimsun> I presume what you want to do is sudo invoke-rc.d kdm stop
[08:52] <_mehmet> crimsun
[08:52] <_mehmet> it does not work
[08:53] <_mehmet> there is already sources list that directory
[08:53] <Anoebis> crimsun: ok I screwed the system
[08:54] <Anoebis> I remove apt-get and Adept somehow
[08:54] <Anoebis> dont ask me how
[08:54] <Anoebis> :((
[08:54] <Anoebis> how can I get them back
[08:54] <buzzy> i need to rename all files in a dir with letter "s" and change "s" to "a" ..how can i do it?
[08:55] <Anoebis> please anyone HELP
[08:56] <Anoebis> I NEED HELP GOD DAMN IT !!!!!!!1
[08:57] <Anoebis> i removed apt-get and adept so I can't get some packages back installed
[08:58] <Blippe> buzzy, got the same problem, look up "rename" and do a "man rename"
[08:59] <sampan> buzzy  there's a nifty little file manager program, called krusader, if you install it and the "krename" package, you can do batch renames very easily -- i did 850 renames of mp3 files (changing all " " to "_") in 5 seconds -- VERY handy
[08:59] <Blippe> buzzy you could play around with "rename -n" which won't affect your files but only spit out what the results would be
[08:59] <Blippe> oh, yeah, and there is krusader :D
[08:59] <sampan> krusader + krename = da bomb
[09:00] <Anoebis> i removed apt-get and adept so I can't get some packages back installed
[09:00] <Blippe> krusader is almost as useful as the win-program total commander if you are aware of it...
[09:01] <Anoebis> How can I install *.deb package without apt-get with dependencies resolving
[09:01] <Anoebis> ?
[09:01] <Anoebis> from CD
[09:01] <Blippe> why not use apt-get if it is from the cd?
[09:01] <Anoebis> Blippe: because I removed apt-get somehow
[09:01] <Blippe> otherwise: dpkg
[09:01] <Anoebis> so I want to get it back
[09:02] <crimsun> you removed apt?
[09:02] <crimsun> why on Earth did you do that?
[09:02] <Anoebis> have no idea how
[09:02] <crimsun> just find the apt and apt-utils debs and dpkg -i them
[09:03] <Anoebis> I must have pressed
[09:03] <Anoebis> k
[09:04] <ganymed> hallo
[09:04] <_mehmet> crimsun
[09:05] <_mehmet> i can not save it
[09:05] <_mehmet> cause it does not overwrite it
[09:05] <Anoebis> crimsun: restored everything
[09:06] <crimsun> _mehmet: wget http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/d6047
[09:06] <crimsun> _mehmet: sudo mv d6047 /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:06] <_mehmet> ok
[09:07] <ganymed> does anybody "want" to help me with a debian prob?
[09:07] <crimsun> #debian is better for that, ganymed
[09:07] <jjesse> what do i need installed to rip cd into .mp3 using kaudiocreator?
[09:08] <ganymed> :) guess where i am...
[09:08] <crimsun> jjesse: well it suggests lame, so try installing it
[09:08] <sampan> jjesse  i think the lame package might help
[09:08] <jjesse> grin thanks
[09:08] <polachok> hello, can i get kbfx package for breezy anywhere?
[09:11] <ganymed> ok. in debian nobody can help me... so i just ask...
[09:11] <ganymed> when boot i get a kernel panic. my box says: reiserfs: sh2600: md2: read_super_block: bread failed. any ideas?
[09:16] <crimsun> ganymed: have you searched the Web?
[09:18] <ganymed> yes
[09:18] <ganymed> a lot of links are broken for this topic... strange
[09:18] <ganymed> but i have an idea
[09:19] <buzzy> why on my kubuntu a system sound (i.e. an error sound) comes some seconds after the advising message has come up???
[09:20] <buzzy> have i some trouble with alsa
[09:20] <buzzy> ?
[09:20] <crimsun> buzzy: do you have any other audio troubles?
[09:20] <buzzy> i do know!
[09:20] <ganymed> it's the same for me
[09:20] <buzzy> only a delay
[09:21] <crimsun> it's probably i/o starvation then
[09:21] <ganymed> and it is the same in sarge... seems to be an alsa prob
[09:21] <buzzy> ganymed: u refer to me?
[09:21] <ganymed> yes
[09:21] <buzzy> how to solve?
[09:21] <crimsun> um no, it's not an ALSA problem unless it exists everywhere
[09:21] <crimsun> i.e. sound always exhibits such a delay
[09:22] <ganymed> yes, it does!
[09:23] <ganymed> everywhere, with everything... no matter what the systems is supposed to accoustically say
[09:24] <sphere02> ngon som har kompilerat knifty win decoration
[09:31] <_mehmet> i received a list from http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[09:31] <_mehmet> and i said fetch updates on adept
[09:31] <_mehmet> is it enough to get last list
[09:32] <_mehmet> it seems 17260 available packages
[09:32] <_mehmet> is it ok?
[09:32] <crimsun> ganymed: um, does killing artsd and using aplay directly exhibit this problem?
[09:33] <_mehmet> do i have a proplem still crimsun
[09:34] <crimsun> _mehmet: are you still getting errors with Adept and apt-get?
[09:34] <_mehmet> no
[09:34] <_mehmet> it is done
[09:34] <crimsun> _mehmet: then no
[09:34] <ganymed> sry, but i have been busy with some other nasty problems... so i haven't been able to test anything concerning arts...
[09:35] <_mehmet> i mean 940 installed 93 upragable and 17260 available packages means i get the last sources?
[09:37] <ganymed> well, not kubuntu related!
[09:39] <sphere02> anyone got the knifty decoration kompiled
[09:41] <globe> how do I disable IPv6 on my computer?
[09:45] <skbera> I have a strange problem. My display is suddenly chaged to 640*480 when i restarted my PC. the display properties dialog box also showing just one resolution setting(640*480). How can I change this back to 1024*768. Please anyone help...
[09:50] <ganymed>  i get the following when i boot: UDF-fs: No partition found | Kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block
[09:50] <ganymed> any ideas?
[09:51] <_wotnarg> skbera: Do sudo dpkg-reconfigure x-server
[09:51] <Blippe> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xor
[09:52] <_wotnarg> what Blippe said, except xorg
[09:53] <Blippe> _wotnarg, why not the xorg?
[09:53] <_wotnarg> no, it should be xorg
[09:53] <_wotnarg> not xor :p
[09:53] <robotgeek> Blippe: what does the -phigh do?
[09:54] <skbera> _wotnarg: Thankyou very much. I am looking for this command.
[09:55] <Blippe> robotgeek, i don't really know (trying to find out right now), but ubuntu's xorg.conf recommends it so it can't be bad!
[09:56] <Blippe> wotnarg, ah...
[09:56] <Blippe> the -p sets the priority and the value is high therefor -phigh
[09:58] <Blippe> the priority of the questions that is... so beginners won't get questions like "Please enter the video card's bus identifier."
[09:59] <robotgeek> Blippe: thank you
[10:05] <mike> I have a Linksys WUSB54G ver.4 network adaptor and I can't figure out how to get it to work.  Can somebody help me?  (I think I need to use ndiswrapper, but I'm  completely new to Linux so I get confused whenever I try to figure it out)
[10:05] <robotgeek> mike, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[10:05] <robotgeek> mike: check if your card is listed
[10:09] <_kaeru> I need help setting up my wireless card. It works if I use iwconfig to set the channes, essid, and wep key but I cant figure out how do this automatically at boot
[10:09] <_kaeru> I've been playing with /etc/network/interfaces but nothings worked
[10:10] <robotgeek> _kaeru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WiFiHowto
[10:11] <mike> robotgeek, it's not listed on that site you gave me but if you go here http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/index.php/List#L  and go to 20 under L it's listed there, but i'm not sure what to do from there (also, i'm using the adaptor on USB1.1)
[10:11] <robotgeek> !ndiswrapper
[10:11] <ubotu> I guess ndiswrapper is a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:15] <joel86> hello,, when i install linux/kubuntu witch system on the list should i pick and what shoult i take for sys if i just want one partition for space
[10:15] <Nemezis> hi me again
[10:16] <Nemezis> I installed Nvidia newest drivers but still when watching DVDs, the show is very slow
[10:17] <_kaeru> Nemezis: Have you enabled DMA for your drive?
[10:17] <hugelmopf> joel86: out of which list?
[10:17] <Nemezis> _kaeru: yes I have
[10:18] <Nemezis> _kaeru: whoups
[10:18] <Nemezis> nope
[10:18] <Nemezis> hdparm ?
[10:18] <Nemezis> what command enables dma ?
[10:19] <hugelmopf> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DMA
[10:19] <vega-> hdparm
[10:19] <_kaeru> edit /etc/hdparm.conf
[10:21] <tictric> ah, yes 64bit goes right smooth. I just wonder why I didn't install it earlier.
[10:21] <joel86> hugelmopf:when i install kubuntu i get a list of what ui want to install on witch partition,,, like exp 3 exp2
[10:22] <hugelmopf> joel86: ok, i understand. if you don't have any personal preference, you might want to go for ext3 as main partition file system.
[10:23] <hugelmopf> joel86: this is only the choice about which filesystem (like FAT or NTFS in windows).
[10:26] <joel86> ye ok,, but there are like 10 choises
[10:26] <hugelmopf> joel86: as i said... use ext3.
[10:30] <joel86> ok,, and the partition that i just want for space ??
[10:31] <hugelmopf> joel86: do you want to access it from windows as well?
[10:31] <Blippe> joel86, ext3 is for you! all the way, most of the others are primarily for old or not for the home-user!
[10:31] <hugelmopf> joel86: if you have to access that space from windows, then you should choose VFAT as file system.
[10:32] <Blippe> oh, and (as hugelmopf was going to say) if you want to have a double boot system and both systems was going to use the files , use fat!
[10:32] <joel86> ok,, i dont have windows on my computer so,, vfat or the other ??
[10:32] <hugelmopf> joel86: ext3
[10:32] <Blippe> ext3 joel86
[10:33] <joel86> yes i got that ext on one parttition,, but i have to have some system on my second partition ?
[10:34] <hugelmopf> if you want to store files on there: yes you need a file system.
[10:34] <Blippe> use ext3 on that one too!
[10:35] <joel86> dont i get the same things on myc both partitions if i do that ??
[10:35] <hugelmopf> joel86: this is only the file system, not files.
[10:35] <hugelmopf> joel86: it is what you call "formatting a drive/partition" under windows
[10:36] <joel86> but i dont have windows
[10:36] <hugelmopf> joel86: right, this was just an analogy.
[10:36] <Blippe> I don't really think you will ever see any difference whichever fs you choose!
[10:36] <joel86> ah ok =) ,, well i try whit that =)
[10:37] <dell500> how do  you mount the ipod with out it being read only?
[10:38] <Blippe> and (on a sidenote) even ubotu claims that http://www.fs-driver.org/ is good enough to use with win and thereby having an ext3fs won't stop your windowsing needs :D
[10:38] <Blippe> !ext3
[10:38] <ubotu> somebody said ext3 was a filesystem that Linux can be installed on and can be read/wrote from Windows via http://www.fs-driver.org
[10:38] <Blippe> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[10:39] <Blippe> dell500 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPodHowto
[10:39] <dell500> thanks
[10:40] <_mehmet> how can i reboot on konsole
[10:40] <tictric> _mehmet: I bet
[10:40] <_mehmet> I bet
[10:41] <_mehmet> should i write i bet
[10:41] <_mehmet> :)
[10:41] <hugelmopf> _mehmet: "sudo reboot"?
[10:42] <dell500> nope, that doesn't work
[10:42] <Blippe> so, your ipod does show up on the desktop, but as an readonly device?
[10:44] <Blippe> dell500 check which user is the owner of the files
[10:45] <Knowerrors> Is there a way to bring up the alt+tab prog switching menu, using only mouse buttons?  For example (click/hold left, then right, then release), like a mouse gesture, but only using the buttons
[10:46] <dell500> good call Blippe
[10:46] <dell500> says root is...
[10:46] <Flosoft> hey
[10:46] <dell500> is there a way to change owners or something, like chown...
[10:46] <Blippe> dell500 check how chown wors then: sudo chown (parameters)
[10:47] <Flosoft> does anyone know why Kaffeine crashes often with Xine?
[10:48] <Blippe> flosoft, good question, i'm still awaiting the answer to that... Althugh, for some strange reason, mine just stopped crashing one day...
[10:49] <Blippe> i can't start noatun nowodays instead
[10:53] <Flosoft> plssss ... I would need a fix of that!
[11:02] <Knowerrors> Any Gmail users here?  I am trying to send an email with 2 png attachments, one is 100k the other 90k, the message never sends with konq, same with opera, and firefox says "document contains no data" after a few minutes, any help please... I can send same attachments fine with yahoo email
[11:06] <neoncode> Hey is their anyway to reuse my win XP Home installl to run windows programs on linux?
[11:09] <Knowerrors> neoncode: I think vmware would work for you, Ive heard theres a free version for desktop users...
[11:09] <Steven_M> hi all
[11:14] <Panzerboy> any idea why on my brand new kubuntu the dns resolving takes ages?
[11:14] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: could be IPv6 related issues. try the following workaround:
[11:15] <hugelmopf> export KDE_NO_IPV6="true"
[11:15] <hugelmopf> ^^ add this to ~/.bashrc
[11:15] <hugelmopf> and restart KDE
[11:15] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: ok, i will
[11:15] <Panzerboy> thanks a bunch!
[11:16] <Puaff> hugelmopf: what yor are saying is only ralated to kde apps?
[11:16] <hugelmopf> Puaff: yes
[11:16] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: i forgot to mention that. did you have problems with non-KDE applications?
[11:17] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: didn't try yet
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: don't seem to have any non-kde apps installed :)
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: as i said, it's a brand new kubuntu installation
[11:18] <hugelmopf> Panzerboy: if the above works and you want to make it system wide, add "KDE_NO_IPV6=true" to /etc/environment.
[11:18] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: oki
[11:19] <Panzerboy> hugelmopf: i'm just in the process of an upgrade to kde 3.5, so i'll try the workaround as soon as the upgrade is finished
[11:19] <Panzerboy> which will be in a half of hour or so
[11:21] <Panzerboy> one thing though that surprised me rather pleasantly is that the wireless network worked out of the box
[11:21] <Panzerboy> i was prepared for a long struggle :)(
[11:21] <Panzerboy> with windows drivers and printed docs to tackle it :)
[11:22] <Puaff> Panzerboy: are you compiling kde yourself? In affirmative case, do you use kde from a /home/nnnnnnn directory?
[11:22] <Puaff> Panzerboy: I mean, are you going to overwrite kde file packages?
[11:26] <Panzerboy> Puaff: i am not compilling kde myself
[11:26] <Panzerboy> Puaff: i am just upgrading from the packaged that ridell made
[11:27] <glick> hi
[11:28] <Puaff> Panzerboy: uops, I dint't know that there was a 3.5 package =:-)
[11:28] <Panzerboy> Puaff: yes :)
[11:28] <Panzerboy> Puaff: one sec
[11:29] <Panzerboy> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[11:30] <Panzerboy> here are the packages
[11:30] <Puaff> Panzerboy: a lot of thx ;-)
[11:30] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you're welcome
[11:30] <Jestre> Which firefox do I install?  'firefox' or 'mozilla-firefox'?
[11:30] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you have to add ridell's gpg key to your ring
[11:31] <nalioth> Jestre: they are both the same
[11:31] <Panzerboy> Puaff: go to kubuntu.org and there on the homepage there is a link that explains how to do it
[11:31] <Puaff> Panzerboy: I'll take a look, many thx
[11:31] <Jestre> nalioth: Thanks
[11:31] <Panzerboy> Puaff: you're welcome
[11:34] <glick> thinking of givin kubuntu a shot
[11:34] <glick> vs ubuntu
[11:34] <glick> heard kubuntu has a much tighter and sexier desktop than ubuntu
[11:35] <Blippe> glick tighter?
[11:35] <glick> tighter as in more intergrated
[11:35] <glick> more organized
[11:35] <Knowerrors> glick: youre asking people who are alread biased towards kubuntu :)
[11:35] <Blippe> glick, just do a "sudo apt-get install kde"
[11:35] <tictric_> glick: just use the two of them alongside eachother and find out which one you like better
[11:35] <Knowerrors> I agree that it is, and has more features and customization
[11:35] <hugelmopf> glick: even better "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:36] <Blippe> glick, answer the questions and restart!
[11:36] <glick> heh yeah
[11:36] <glick> i need to do a re-install anyway
[11:36] <Puaff> glick: I have been an gnome user for many time, I made the mistake "apt-get install kde" in ubuntu, now I'm always in kde
[11:36] <Panzerboy> glick: you're right, kde is tighter AND SEXIER than gnome :)
[11:36] <glick> guess ill do that first to check it out though
[11:36] <Knowerrors> If you want things simple, stay with Gnome/Ubuntu, they give you few choices, so less to think about, also less fun to use
[11:36] <Panzerboy> glick: another thing you can try is the live cd
[11:36] <Knowerrors> KDE Rules!
[11:36] <Panzerboy> see if it's sexy enough for you :)
[11:37] <Panzerboy> Knowerrors: yeah, even linus said it
[11:37] <Panzerboy> so IT MUST be true
[11:37] <glick> i need to buy a mouse
[11:37] <Knowerrors> you can use kde with just keyboard
[11:37] <Panzerboy> Puaff: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[11:37] <glick> yeah i know i have laptop with a mouse on it
[11:37] <Knowerrors> there are  hotkeys cusomization for sure
[11:37] <glick> but i need a real mouse
[11:37] <tictric_> glick: yep, it helps with kde
[11:37] <Puaff> I began with KDE after reading a post of someone talking about why to change to kde
[11:38] <glick> heh i have a dell inspiron 8200
[11:38] <Puaff> I became interested in KDE because of the technical part of kde
[11:38] <glick> its a portable desktop
[11:38] <glick> clunkiest and heaviest freakin laptop there is
[11:39] <Puaff> Panzerboy: ;)
[11:39] <stevenj> I installed kdevelop to learn programming; however, kdevelop c/c++ (IDE), etc does not start using menu.  Is there something missing? I installed with adept. I do not get any errors
[11:40] <glick> is kdevelop an IDE?
[11:40] <Puaff> glick: yes
[11:40] <Panzerboy> glick: some say so :)
[11:40] <stevenj> yes
[11:40] <glick> ugh im not a big IDE fan
[11:40] <Panzerboy> stevenj: try to launch it from the cli
[11:40] <stevenj> kdesigner will start
[11:40] <Panzerboy> glick: yeah, vim powah!
[11:40] <Puaff> glick: kdevelop is amazing
[11:40] <Panzerboy> :)
[11:40] <glick> also last time i used kdevelop it went down more often then a 2 dollar crack hoe
[11:41] <stevenj> Panzerboy is there anyway to fix the menu?
[11:41] <glick> Puaff, whats so great about kdevelop?
[11:41] <tuskernini> hi there all... how do i replace gnome with kde when i have ubuntu installed?
[11:41] <glick> tuskernini, apparently apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <Panzerboy> tuskernini: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:42] <Panzerboy> but it won't replace gnome
[11:42] <tuskernini> glick, ok, i am bussy doing that.. so i hope it works.. it just changes the desktop hey?
[11:42] <Knowerrors> Anyone use this http://kidsquid.com/programs/ubuntu/firefox-1.5.0-0nonfree1_i386.tar.gz for FF 1.5?
[11:42] <Panzerboy> it will just add kde :)
[11:42] <glick> one feature that i wish they had in an ide
[11:42] <Panzerboy> stevenj: i have no idea, i don't have kdevelop installed yet
[11:42] <glick> when i create a new struct
[11:42] <tuskernini> thanx glick, panzerboy
[11:42] <glick> in c
[11:42] <glick> or a class in c++
[11:43] <Blippe> why install libakode2 instead of akode?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> stevenj: i have just finished installing kubuntu and i am upgrading to kde 3.5 now
[11:43] <glick> when i use that struct like Point pt; it would highlight the new data type
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: it is very integrated, it is very useful, I think it lacks of online api help facilities
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: like eclipse, netbeans, etc.
[11:43] <tuskernini> glick, when i install kubuntu-desktop, does it remove gnome-desktop?
[11:43] <tictric> tuskernini: no
[11:43] <Puaff> glick: it is like borland C++, do you remember?
[11:43] <Panzerboy> another 8 minutes to go :)
[11:44] <Panzerboy> eclipse is also good
[11:44] <glick> tuskernini, no
[11:44] <stevenj> tusk, I found that installing kubuntu (clean) is best
[11:44] <tuskernini> tictrick: thanx, so i will be able to choose?
[11:44] <glick> Puaff, yeah kina
[11:44] <Panzerboy> a guy that worked on kdevelop, alexander dymo, created some plugins for kde development for eclipse
[11:44] <Panzerboy> they looked kinda cool
[11:44] <Panzerboy> didn't try them though
[11:44] <tuskernini> stevenj, i still have to sort out data on the drive before doing that.. thanx
[11:44] <hugelmopf> tuskernini: yes, you will be able to choose on login
[11:45] <tictric> tuskernini: yep, but as stevenj pointed out there might some config difficulties but they are not very significant and can be fixed later on if you stay with kde
[11:45] <tuskernini> tictric: i chose kdm ... as default
[11:46] <tictric> tuskernini: that's not the point but if you are not a native english speaker you might have some trouble with locales
[11:47] <glick> it has been  a long time since i used a kde
[11:47] <glick> heh i mean an ide
[11:47] <tuskernini> tictrick, i do speak it well thanx, will play around with it anyway
[11:47] <Puaff> glick: why don't you like an ide? they are useful to develop
[11:48] <glick> Puaff, i dont know i just havent found any i really liked,
[11:48] <Puaff> glick: maybe the success of java is not java itself, but its ide
[11:50] <glick> i guess ill check it out
[11:50] <glick> i dont really do gui programming
[11:50] <glick> more systems programming
[11:50] <stevenj> kdevelop multilaunguage will start
[11:51] <Puaff> stevenj: do you know if online popup method help are going to be improved?
[11:53] <juif> hello channel, i am trying to get Ardour to run on kubuntu. so far, it tells me i need to open JACK, well, apparently JACK was installed when Ardour was, but its not to be found anywhere.
[11:53] <stevenj> I see-kdevel in kubuntu menu contains kdevelop not kdevelop3
[11:55] <tuskernini> woops, installed kubuntu-desktop, and logged out... and the pc hung on login.. had to do a hard boot... booting now
[11:56] <juif> also, since i installed ardour, my splash screen has been appearing only sometimes. other times a standard linux text scroll thing
[11:58] <tuskernini> ok, kubuntu login screen, but on startup... still looks like gnome... with kubuntu programs added...
[11:58] <Puaff> juif: I got the same, but I don't think it is important, in fact I would prefer to have only text screen
[11:59] <Panzerboy> so brb
[11:59] <Tm_T> tuskernini: err, you should choose KDE in login
[11:59] <Panzerboy> kde 3.5, here i come :)
[11:59] <stevenj> yes, that worked. :)
[11:59] <Tm_T> tuskernini: there's "sessions" or similar somewhere there, you still have gnome as "default"
[12:00] <tuskernini> Tm_T: i will look for it.. thanx
[12:00] <Tm_T> np
[12:02] <Puaff> tuskernini: do you want to have kdm as default login manager?
[12:02] <Tm_T> Puaff: he already has, as he said