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Riddellmjg59: do you know anything about powersaved?12:13
Riddelllike if it's sane to use in kubuntu12:13
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sistpotyelmo: please sync nvtv from unstable, ubuntu override ok12:16
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LaserJockelmo: octave2.9 built fine for me in a dapper pbuilder and installs and runs. Is there anything else that would need to be done get it from Debian into Ubuntu?01:21
elmoLaserJock: read scroll back01:21
LaserJockelmo: so I don't understand how it is broken?01:22
elmo[Updating]  octave2.9 (0 [Ubuntu]  < 2.9.4-8 [Debian] )01:24
elmoE: octave2.9 is trying to override octave_2.1.71-2ubuntu3 without -f/--force.01:24
elmo22:17 < elmo> if someone would like to examine them, see if they should be synced or merged, that'd be nice, kthx01:24
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mdkeelmo, i know I'm bothering you a lot recently about this, but hopefully you don't mind. it's important for us :) LaserJock for docteam svn access pls01:26
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LaserJockelmo: I gotta go right now but I will get back to you on octave2.9 Sid has both with octave depending on octave2.1 but I guess when it builds in Ubuntu it wants to depend on octave2.9 and replace octave2.101:27
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wasabiWhich menu did synaptic disappear to heh02:22
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crimsunwasabi: it hasn't...System> Administration> Synaptic[..] 03:23
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whiprushsomeone from the distro team awake?06:48
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whiprushjdub: ping07:11
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desrtman.  i love freenode.08:01
\shogra: ping08:03
\shwell...is it just me, or is ssh -X <remote host> not setting the $DISPLAY on the remote host correctly?08:04
\shboth machines were dist-upgraded just now08:04
desrtis DISPLAY getting set at all and/or is X forwarding enabled on both ends and/or are you getting any diagnostic messages?08:07
\shdesrt: it worked before with just ssh -X 08:09
\shand I can see via ssh -vX that it should be set08:09
\shdebug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.08:09
\shdebug1: Sending environment.08:09
\shI didn't change anything regarding the config.08:09
\shwell..let me completly restart my x11 session..08:11
\shgive me a sec :)08:11
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\shno change08:13
\shstrange very strange08:17
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ogra\sh, works for me10:42
\shogra: hmmmm....very very strange10:42
ograDISPLAY should be localhost:10.010:42
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\shyes...normally...but it doesn't work a) automatially with ssh -X anymore, and setting it b) manually it won't work either10:44
pefsomeone from laptop team here ?10:45
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ssam\sh do you have xauth on the machine you are sshing to?10:53
\shssam: yes10:53
\shssam: well...as I said, it worked until the last dist-upgrade10:54
ssam\sh, ok, thats what usually makes it not work for me10:55
ograwhat was upgraded ? 11:04
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\shogra: I'm just looking what could change the behaviour of ssh/sshd which is not ssh 11:13
ograipv611:14
\shipv6?11:14
Treenaksipv66611:15
\shdebug3: Ignored env DISPLAY11:15
\shthats what ssh -vvv -X <remote> gives me11:15
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Treenaks\sh: does the sshd allow X forwarding?11:15
\shTreenaks: yes11:15
\shTreenaks: I checked it, didn't change anything, so it was working yesterday morning but strangly not anymore11:16
ogra\sh, try setting "AddressFamily inet" and restart sshd11:16
\shogra: on the remote host, yes?11:17
ograyup11:17
ograin the sshd config11:17
\shnope11:17
\shebug2: x11_get_proto: /usr/bin/xauth  list :0.0 . 2>/dev/null11:18
\shdebug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.11:18
\shdebug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 011:18
\shand again..ignored env DISPLAY11:19
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ogra\sh, ignoring display means it ignores the set variable on the client, not the one on the server...11:30
\shogra: ok...but it's strange, that it doesn't set the env anymore on the remote host11:30
\shhow can I debug the connection on the host?11:31
ograssh -vvv drops out client messages....11:31
ograyou can set the LOGLEVEL in the server config to DEBUG311:31
ograit logs in /var/log/auth.log11:31
\shogra: that's what I pasted ...11:32
\shok11:32
\shJan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : error: Failed to allocate internet-domain X11 display socket.11:33
\shJan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug1: x11_create_display_inet failed.11:33
\shand before that11:34
\shJan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug2: bind port 6995: Cannot assign requested address11:34
\shJan 14 12:33:41 amd64-home sshd[28464] : debug2: bind port 6996: Cannot assign requested address11:34
\sha lot of those..starting from port 601011:34
ograand you have set "AddressFamily inet" in the sshd config ???11:35
\shyes11:35
ograweird11:35
ograyou also restarted sshd after setting it ? 11:35
\shogra: what do you think>11:36
\sh?11:36
\shand someone tries to hack my box with a big shitload of standard usernames and a big bunch of normal first names..funny11:37
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\shogra: any other thought?11:43
ogranot now, no11:44
\shsome tweaks on the xdm configuration should not change the behaviour11:46
\shhmmm...I should reboot the box somehow.11:46
ograxdm ? 11:47
ogranot really, no11:47
mjrhmh, what was that free (as in speech) multiplatform SIP VOIP solution by that company that also sold call-out?11:47
ograwhat did you change ? 11:47
\shogra: nothing..I was thinking to set "listen tcp" on my client side...but this is not the problem at all..ssh -X should work without any modifications on xdm...11:48
\shmjr: skype? which is not sip anyway? 11:49
mjrumm, no, skype is as proprietary as can be11:49
mjrOpenWengo it was11:49
\shmjr: other sip providers you can usewith any sip compatible client11:49
ograyou run xdm through the tunnel ? 11:50
\shogra: no11:50
ograhow else ? 11:50
ograsounded like 11:50
\shogra: nono 11:51
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siretartis main still open for merges in 'main'? I just merged a the new pbuilder from unstable, and wanted to ask if it was ok to upload12:12
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infinitysiretart: Merges in main are still fine for a while, but don't upload anything that could mess with Kamion's attempts to do a Flight release (ie: I'm holding off on a neon upgrade that will bump SONAMEs and make several packages uninstallable)12:14
infinitysiretart: pbuilder should most likely be fine and do no harm.12:14
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siretartinfinity: the only change in pbuilder is the change that we don't use cdebootstrap in ubuntu (yet?)12:15
siretartI'm currently running the testsuite, of nothing too suspicous happens (I think of cdebootstrap breakage or so) I'm going to upload it12:18
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=== hunger thinks it would be nice if developers would install a maildaemon so that at least they do see their cron-jobs failing.
\shwhat is failing?01:15
hunger\sh mandb, cups logrotate, occasionally some other things as well.01:15
hunger\sh: I keep writting bugreports about the issues I see.01:16
hungerCould someone please allow launchpad to send mails to ubuntu-bugs? I get a mail about "waiting for moderator approval" almost each time I report a bug there.01:17
hunger\sh: See malone #28529, #6418, #6412, #6414, #6415, #6416.01:18
UbugtuMalone bug 28529: "logrotate script for cups fails" Fix req. for: cupsys (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/2852901:18
\shoh well...another task for konquis "lpbug" searchprovider which I added yesterday..nice01:19
hunger\sh: looks like some of the issues got fixed in the meantime... at least the mail cron send me today is somewhat shorter then usual:-)01:20
\shhehe01:20
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hungerDid somebody look into malone #23388 already? That is targeted for dapper if I understand malone properly.01:31
UbugtuMalone bug 23388: "base (Ubuntu) - tput used in /lib/lsb/init-functions after /usr is unmounted" Fix req. for: lsb lsb-base (Ubuntu), Severity: Minor, Assigned to: Michael Vogt, Status: Unconfirmed http://launchpad.net/bugs/2338801:32
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sivanghey \sh , already hacking konqueror's stuff to help you work with bugs in malone? :-)02:05
\shsivang: already done :)02:05
\shsivang: kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts I uploaded yesterday02:05
sivang\sh: let me see if I have konq installed, I will install your package :)02:06
\shsivang: if you install kubuntu-desktop it should be installed by default :)02:07
sivangeh, it's in main :)02:07
\shsure it is :)02:07
sivang(I searched for in universe)02:08
sivangbah, 225MB for k-desktop, I guess I will just install konq :)02:09
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sivang\sh: ok, installed, does it support only what's said in the package description?02:15
\shsivang: what is written in /usr/share/doc/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts/README yes...feel free to bug me with more nifty tools for kubuntu searchproviders :)02:16
\shor whatever you need and which is not in the upstream source :)02:16
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sivang\sh: sure, if I feel too adventures, I Might take a shot at giving you a patch :)02:17
sivang\sh: man, konqueror is sweet.02:21
\shsivang: it is02:21
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ulaasslomo, i cannot ping localhost. and this is a new issue.. any ideas?02:29
slomoulaas: no idea... works fine here02:30
\shcheck /etc/hosts02:31
\shand check /etc/network/interface if auto lo is in this file02:31
sebestulaas, what error do you have?02:31
sebestcould be that lo is down or a firewall issue02:32
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ulaasi cannot even ping my dhcp received ip. but i can ping the server.02:33
ulaasthere is no error02:33
ulaasand no firewall i guess02:33
ulaashmmmmm. strange02:33
ulaashow can i check if i have iptable rulez?02:34
sebestulaas, iptables -L, show that everything is accepted?02:34
ulaassebest, oh. chain input is empty..02:35
sebestall chain should be empyt, and policy should be set to ACCEPT if the firewall is disable02:36
olemkeulaas, try running sudo ifdown lo; sudo ifup lo02:36
olemkefixed it for me this morning02:36
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olemkesame for other interfaces02:36
ulaasolemke, yeah worked for me. reallly strange.02:37
ulaasolemke, just lo made other interfaces start responding as well.02:38
olemkeulaas, ah ok02:38
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ulaasbugzilla depends on mysql?02:41
\shyes02:41
ulaas\sh, then why apt only recommends mysql-server02:42
jdubulaas: you might be running your database server on a different machine02:42
\shoh it doesn't depend on it...because it's not necessary to install it on this machine...but bugzilla without a db server makes no sense02:43
\shand I'm totally tired of tracking down libXft.la corpses02:43
ulaasjdub, good point.02:43
hungeris malone the official tracker now?02:48
\shhunger: yes :)02:49
\shfinally02:49
hunger\sh: Good... maybe my bugs will be worked no now;-)02:49
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hunger\sh: ... even though I do prefer bugzilla to lp ...02:50
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HiddenWolfhunger: you are not the only one.02:50
\shhunger: well...i don't know poke the last uploader :)02:50
hunger\sh: I started assigning stuff to people.02:51
hunger\sh: I picked the names more or less randomly though, but so far noboby complained;-)02:52
\shlol02:52
\shtake me from the list...I'm a bit overloaded right now...have my own adventure running :)02:52
\shfixing kubuntu02:52
hunger\sh: Can't... don't know your real name.02:53
\shhunger: good to know that you don't know the /whois command  ,)02:53
hunger\sh: LP knows the irc nicks, etc. but it does not list them in the people search page.02:53
hunger\sh: Im a IRC idiot... I hang around wherever my irc-client connects me to!02:54
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\shhunger: hahahaha02:54
\shI'm happy that launchpad can't work with my nick :)02:55
hunger\sh: actually I never wanted to hang out here... but since #ubuntu-devel is the channel I was connected to I started using ubuntu and pester the developers.02:55
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\shMithrandir: ping03:20
\shMithrandir: for what is ia32-libs-kde?03:21
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lmanulHey guys, against whihc package should I file my bug if it had been the "linux" product in bugzilla ? There are tons of "linux" stuff in malone, not sure which one I should use (that's the 2.6.15-12 kernel in dapper)03:23
\shlinux-source-2.6.1503:24
lmanul\sh, Thanks a lot ! :)03:24
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ryanpgmorning all, so I recieved an email on a bug I've filed in ubuntu's bugzilla... when I click the link it says my account has been disabled, due to the switch to malone and to email jeff waugh... before I send off an email, could someone offer come clarification?03:45
HiddenWolfryanpg: bugs got imported into launchpad03:45
HiddenWolfryanpg: should be followed up there.03:46
ryanpgHiddenWolf, before I start googling "launchpad ubuntu" do you have an URL explaining this?03:46
HiddenWolflaunchpad.net03:47
ryanpgHiddenWolf, ty03:47
HiddenWolfryanpg: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-January/000054.html03:47
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xhakerhey BenC are you around?04:31
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siretartelmo: please sync pstoedit_3.42-3 from unstable, ok to override ubuntu changes.04:34
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BenCxhaker: sort of04:39
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siretartbtw, does james currently process syncs?04:42
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xhakerBenC: mind to take a look at this bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/2843304:52
UbugtuMalone bug 28433: "source-2.6.15 powernowd (Ubuntu) - speedstep-centrino doesn't load on pentium m laptop" Fix req. for: linux-source-2.6.15 powernowd (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Debian Bug Importer, Status: Confirmed04:52
xhakerhaha04:52
xhakeryeh04:52
xhakerthe one the bot spit04:52
xhakergonna make my lunch04:57
xhakerbbl04:57
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hungerCould someone please move ifupdown-clean after checkroot.sh in /etc/rc.S?05:31
hungeris mounted ro when ifupdown-clean is run, so it fails to clean... which makes ifup think lo is already up, skipping it.05:32
Mithrandir\sh: for the ooo2 kde widget stuff on amd64.05:34
\shMithrandir: do you need to rebuild them, if there are libXft.la corpses in kdes .la files? 05:35
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\shjdub: I'm proud of you that you finally spamed the planet today and not me :)05:52
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Mithrandir\sh: well, it doesn't work correctly, so *shrug*05:59
\shMithrandir: i'm just asking, because I'm cleaning kde from libXft.la references ... I'm just finished with it...and I was wondering if we need to rebuild it as well...but when you say: "go away, this package is heavily broken" I'll leave it to you ;)06:00
Mithrandir\sh: haha, sure, I can rebuild it06:01
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\shMithrandir: rock :) thx :)06:03
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sivang\sh: do you know how to fix bzrtool not installable problem on dapper?06:13
sivang(everybody told me they rebuilt from source, but that didn't work for me)06:13
\shsivang: use the daily snapshots from jbailey06:13
\shdeb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr ./06:14
\shdeb-src http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr ./06:14
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jblackFlash isn't working right on my system. I get audio, but no video06:15
sivangeh, weird, those were once in my sources list, I must have removed them or something, thanks06:15
sivangjblack: James, how's you besides the flash problem? :)06:15
\shsivang: but bzrtools is installable on dapper...I just did it (from ubuntu archives)06:15
jblacksivang: I'm good. And you?06:16
HiddenWolfjblack: this is not a support channel06:17
HiddenWolfjblack: please file bugreport or ask for help in #ubuntu06:17
jblackWhoops. I'm in the wrong channel.06:17
jsgotangcojblack, nice seeing you again :)06:18
jblackjs: Hey buddy.06:18
jblackjsgotangco: You coming to the next conference? 06:18
sivangjblack: there's already a next one planned? :)06:18
jblackNot yet. 06:19
sivang\sh: I have jbailey's sources, still does not owrk06:19
jsgotangcojblack, i hope so dunno where it is yet...been busy with work in au06:19
jblackjsgotangco: I know the distro side of the house just went/possibly still are, somewhere. I think Brazil.06:19
jblackOr the UK, now that I think about it.06:20
HiddenWolfjdub: planet messed up.06:22
jsgotangcoyay planet jdub 06:27
sivanghehe06:27
pefI've a question about sponsored uploads, should I leave motu hopefull name on changelog, or use mine and put "sponsored upload for..." in the changelog ? what pros and cons for each method ?06:31
\shpef: leave motu hopful names06:31
\shpef: debuild -S [-sa]  -k<your key uid> is the match :)06:32
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pef\sh: exactly what I need, thank you :)06:32
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\shtime to grab some food somehow....06:33
sivang\sh: ordering a pizza could be a rememdy, I do that when I feel incompetent to prepare or get food :)06:33
\shsivang: for that I have to go out of my flat, go to a hole in da wall and get some cash :)06:34
sivangeh, I see :) bullocks all those pizza places that don't take credit cards for deliveries :)06:34
\shsivang: credit cards in germany and mobile pizza services are too stylish ;) 06:35
sivangactually in here as well, I always envy my NYC cousin when he tells me he oders pizza online :)06:36
\shsivang: some services have it (order online) but payment is just still "cash at the frontdoor"06:37
sivangoutrageous :)06:38
\shactually...I have to get up now (laying in bed the whole day and pbuilding, patching and uploading is quite nice...but it's not healthy)06:39
StevenK\sh: Sure it is. :-)06:40
sivang\sh: right, might get your body parts fall asleep06:41
\shStevenK: no it's not :) it was dark night when I started, and it's dark now..something is totally wrong with me...06:42
\shbbl06:42
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jsgotangcohey guys good night :)06:44
jsgotangcoits almost 2am here06:44
jsgotangcoheh06:44
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j^hi, i have a bug filed against network-manager that should be moved to the kernel, since its the iwp2100 module that failes.06:55
j^the problem is, i cant find any kernel product in launchpad06:56
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HiddenWolfj^ try linix-source07:01
j^HiddenWolf the' Select Product' windows does not find anything07:02
HiddenWolfThen I do not know07:02
siretartj^: try linux-source-2.6.1507:04
j^oh, the problem was that the bug was not agains ubuntu/network-manager, but network-manager/upstream07:04
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siretartinfinity: lamont-away: can anyone explain me why 'guichan' isn't even tried to be build? it doesn't even appear in http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/breezy.all.i386, but the source is here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/g/guichan/08:02
siretartit looks to me like wanna build wouldn't know about it at all *headscratching*08:02
lamont-awaysiretart: could it be that it was dropped from dapper?08:04
\shsiretart: check dapper :)08:05
\shsiretart: not breezy08:05
psusimjg59, you around?08:09
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siretartgnarf08:17
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siretartlamont-away: so it is in dep-wait. could you do something about that then, please? :)08:18
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BenCyummy, working sound on my PB08:27
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zulwhoa...you get a beer!08:28
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siretartcan't we make libgl-mesa-dev just provide xlibmesa-gl-dev? It would reduce a good bunch of unnecessary divergence08:44
psusiBenC, does the kernel free the memory used by the initramfs?  and if so, how and when?08:44
\shsiretart: it's only a matter of time when it's going away...08:45
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\shok..relaxing time now :) last samurai should be a nice movie to watch for relaxing08:47
\shcu later....08:47
crimsunpsusi: no, it doesn't.08:47
BenCcrimsun: yes, it does08:52
BenCit free's the initial initrd space08:52
BenCand after pivoting out of the initramfs to the real root, I believe it also free's the initramfs space08:52
crimsunBenC: right, but ... ok, I'll update the documentation08:53
BenCI'd hate for 10-20 megs of memort to just remain used for no reason :)08:53
psusiBenC, it tries to you mean right?  if a process starts in the initramfs and continues to run after the pivot, it can't free it right?08:57
crimsunif we haven't made any changes to the initramfs code in the kernel, then it isn't freed according to Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt08:58
psusithen the question is, does it get freed when that process eventually does terminate?08:58
psusioh my, that would be bad08:58
BenCpsusi: right08:59
crimsunthere's a fairly lengthy thread on lkml with Al Viro's comments on why that memory isn't freed08:59
BenChmm, then I guess the ramdisk stays around08:59
Mithrandirpsusi: run-init rm-s everything in the initramfs.08:59
psusioh my, that sucks... I'll search for that thread08:59
MithrandirBenC: sure, but how much does an empty tmpfs mount cost you?09:00
psusiMithrandir, ahhhh!09:00
crimsunMithrandir: awesome, that's what I was hoping to find09:00
psusithen yea, space is freed when the process terminates ;)09:00
psusivery cool09:00
crimsunpsusi: if you're interested, this is what Al said about it: http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0311.2/0191.html09:00
Mithrandirif you have something which opens a file in the initramfs, but doesn't close it, that space is kept, though the file is removed.09:00
psusiMithrandir, right, like a running process's binary... but it will be freed when the file is closed ( when it terminates )09:01
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psusiwhy does /initrd still exist?  pivot_root isn't used with the initramfs right?  it just mounts the new fs on top of / right?09:09
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crimsunpsusi: right. (http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/bcollins/ubuntu-2.6.git;a=blob;h=b3404a0325967de5fdce4a29e879258075ede500;hb=615a7c0f63d4c82acee5124138e9f53c5969cd0d;f=Documentation/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.txt)09:15
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ulaaspackage configurations fallback to console. it seems it cannot launch gtk interface. any ideas?09:28
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ulaasdebconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome09:34
ulaasdebconf: (Can't locate object method "signal_connect" via package "Gtk2::Window" at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Gnome.pm line 73, <> line 14.)09:34
ulaasdebconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog09:34
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mdkeelmo, Znarl, statutory ping about LaserJock's docteam svn access 11:16
j^launchpad keeps sending me "Your message to ubuntu-bugs awaits moderator approval" messages11:20
j^*mailman send them, for each bug i file in launchpad, for each list that is subscribed to the bug11:21
lamont-awayjdub: how about a link on bugzilla.u.c taking us to malone>?11:27
j^or a redirect from http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs11:29
lamont-awayfortunately, google got me there in under 3 links11:30
j^http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ links to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug | https://launchpad.net/ | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs/+login11:32
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lamont-awaythis is neat.   I _know_ that there's a way for me to actually close a bug....11:41
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Nafallolamont-away: click on what you want to change basically :-)11:43
lamont-awayhave I mentioned this week that hiding links all over the t)%&*&%*_^(+ page is an absolutely non-intuitive interface?11:44
j^way to many links11:44
lamont-awayj^: it's more the total lack of any indicator that it _might_ be a link.11:45
lamont-awayso I get to wave my mouse all over the page to see what might be one... awesome.11:45
lamont-away</sarcasm>11:45
j^+editstatus :)11:46
j^to me it looks like +edit and +editstatus should be one page11:46
Burgundaviaj^, the moderator approval thing is known11:46
Burgundaviathere are a great number of pages that need to be combined11:47
j^"Report a Bug in XYZ in ubuntu" should go from the view of an individual bug, thats not an action on the bug itself11:51
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